Bradford City snap up "ambitious" Meredith from York (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

great signing. can play in defence and midfield. onwards and upwards.

Another slot filled. Right age and seems a good signing. In wiki says he likes to attack - wonder whether PP will allow him past half way line!

that"s 4.three more for the seven

seems to be some very astute signings so far, excellent.

another good signing. right wing is our biggest problem i hope parky sorts that one out

As confirmed on wickipedia before t and a lol

york city fan here, he's a fantastic player and works so, so hard every game. never gives more than 100%, he's very strong in posession and can get forward down that left hand side to great effect.
although it surprised me at first that he chose yourselves, i am actually now quite pleased that he's joined a local, ambitious team. all the best with Mez!

rogue84 wrote:
york city fan here, he's a fantastic player and works so, so hard every game. never gives more than 100%, he's very strong in posession and can get forward down that left hand side to great effect.
although it surprised me at first that he chose yourselves, i am actually now quite pleased that he's joined a local, ambitious team. all the best with Mez!

Cheers rogue84, he certainly talked himself up well in a York Press article I read, and sounds like the type of full back we've been needing for years. Nice to hear some nice comments about us for a change from a 3rd party too. To return the love I was chuffed to bits that York City got promoted back to the league, I always love the away games there, and nice to see another Yorkshire side back in professional football. CTID

Hope this is a sign that we will not be playing 4 centre backs in the up and coming season but with full backs who can join in with play beyond the half way line.

Good signing imo

You have got yourself a hell of a player..I think the decision to move to Bradford has taken us all (York) by surprise and that's no disrespect to you, but he looked set to sign for a Championship side. He'll do well for you that is for sure. As rogue84 says he gives 100% and is solid at LB very effective at WB and can play in midfield. Very much looking forward to playing Bradford again no grudges here - great to be back in the league playing some proper teams again.

djmoulson wrote:

rogue84 wrote:
york city fan here, he's a fantastic player and works so, so hard every game. never gives more than 100%, he's very strong in posession and can get forward down that left hand side to great effect.
although it surprised me at first that he chose yourselves, i am actually now quite pleased that he's joined a local, ambitious team. all the best with Mez!

Cheers rogue84, he certainly talked himself up well in a York Press article I read, and sounds like the type of full back we've been needing for years. Nice to hear some nice comments about us for a change from a 3rd party too. To return the love I was chuffed to bits that York City got promoted back to the league, I always love the away games there, and nice to see another Yorkshire side back in professional football. CTID

dito

Meredith will be a massive signing for you guys and a big loss to us at York. No dissrespects but it is a surprise he chose Bradford when he could have joined Burnley and play in the championship. You have a great player on your hands. All the best for next year to Bradford, looking forward to our visit to VP on October 13th, great to be back in the league and renew old rivalries.

dont know much about the guy but

would also like Patrick McLaughlin form York i think he is also on PP's radar

Great signing. PP deserves at pat on the back for getting him here.

What a "mellow" set of comments - a nice change. Looking forward to a decent season down at VP ( "hope springs eternal" as they say). Good luck to York City too. My local team but not my team if you know what I mean.

SIGNING TOO MANY DEFENDERS TO SAY WE GOING FOR PROMOTION HOW ABOUT GETTING IN SOME GOALSCORERS AND A DECENT WINGER AND A CREATIVE CENTRE MIDFIELDER

There is some very encouraging feedback from the York City fans, thank you to all. Also a very warm welcome back to the 'league' it really is great to have you back again and I sincerely hope you have a good season. I look forward to our away visit in March and a B&B stay-over in York.

yet another great signing by parky....lets just hope this is finally the season where we get out ov this league n build a great future 4 this great club

Liamk7978 wrote:
SIGNING TOO MANY DEFENDERS TO SAY WE GOING FOR PROMOTION HOW ABOUT GETTING IN SOME GOALSCORERS AND A DECENT WINGER AND A CREATIVE CENTRE MIDFIELDER

clown even if Rambo stays we would only have 6 defenders including Meredith I would expect another 1 or maybe 2 more through the door as well as a couple of wingers maybe another centre midfielder and one striker.

Excellent signing from York, my Yorkie Pal says he is one for the future. Brighton Bill Yorkshire Seagull.

Liamk7978 wrote:
SIGNING TOO MANY DEFENDERS TO SAY WE GOING FOR PROMOTION HOW ABOUT GETTING IN SOME GOALSCORERS AND A DECENT WINGER AND A CREATIVE CENTRE MIDFIELDER

very negative comment!! how do you know deals havent already been agreed with players but there just waiting to annouce them? and we have signed a goal scoreing midfielder in jones...

Liamk7978 wrote:
SIGNING TOO MANY DEFENDERS TO SAY WE GOING FOR PROMOTION HOW ABOUT GETTING IN SOME GOALSCORERS AND A DECENT WINGER AND A CREATIVE CENTRE MIDFIELDER

RETARD

Liamk7978 wrote:
SIGNING TOO MANY DEFENDERS TO SAY WE GOING FOR PROMOTION HOW ABOUT GETTING IN SOME GOALSCORERS AND A DECENT WINGER AND A CREATIVE CENTRE MIDFIELDER

just when we thought the numpties were having a day off...

Ycfc fan here, you've got yourselves a brilliant signing in meridith. He's a creative, professional and hardworking piece of talent that can even chip in with a few goals/assists here and there, and defend well. The move to a L2 side (escaping relegation last season) came as a suprise but most York fans have enough sense not to kid themselves that Bradford isn't a much bigger club. The fans reaction just shows what a cherished member of the team he was. He'll be sorely missed but we wish him well (but not too well against us!).  

Very best of luck for the coming season, Jones from Rochdale is a very experienced player and will do well for you, this has to be your season it is long overdue, your loyal fans deserve much better, at least a Championship Team. brighton Bill Yorkshire Seagull. "Idle Beer Fest" here we come.

Feel a bit more confident than I did this time last wk. The reports about this chap means we could have a very strong attacking left hand side. We now need a keeper to challenge John Mac. A new right back, if Rambo does go we need two. Fry is coming back for pre season to earn a contract, Decent cover for left back in place. We have 3 solid centre backs. Think pp wants one more for the squad. We have 3 centre mids I personally wud like another attackin centre mid. We need a winger for the right hand side and someone to put pressure on ried and any right mid that comes in. I wud like one more striker as well so that's a total of 8 more players. My main concern is the right hand side, if we can match the quality on the left we could be in a good position. Not sure who is available but I wud be delighted with Doyle at right back. Work in progress and I hope the majority are in place in the next two wk. I feel so good progress has been made.

i miss stallard & murray wrote:
Feel a bit more confident than I did this time last wk. The reports about this chap means we could have a very strong attacking left hand side. We now need a keeper to challenge John Mac. A new right back, if Rambo does go we need two. Fry is coming back for pre season to earn a contract, Decent cover for left back in place. We have 3 solid centre backs. Think pp wants one more for the squad. We have 3 centre mids I personally wud like another attackin centre mid. We need a winger for the right hand side and someone to put pressure on ried and any right mid that comes in. I wud like one more striker as well so that's a total of 8 more players. My main concern is the right hand side, if we can match the quality on the left we could be in a good position. Not sure who is available but I wud be delighted with Doyle at right back. Work in progress and I hope the majority are in place in the next two wk. I feel so good progress has been made.

Typo some good progress

Great signing. got the makings of a very good side and i am looking forward to seeing who's next in,20/1 to win it seems like a vgood each way bet to me

Wow this lad sounds brilliant know nothing about him personally,but from the comments and reaction he sounds great.
Just hope Parky doesnt try to stifle his attacking talent.Could be the Ashley Cole of league two just dont let him take penalties! ha.
Many thanks to all the York fans for their comments and support.Welcome back.

ashley cole is brilliant at penalties he just missed one for england

djmoulson many thanks for your kinds words as well - we are still pinching ourselves that trips to Alfreton, Hayes & Yeading etc are being swapped for yourselves, Chesterfield, Bristol Rovers and Plymouth etc!
see you all for an early morning pint on 13th October!

Last player from York was fantastic, I always loved watching him. Remember when he scored 2 against QPR to keep us in the Premier good old Nigel
what a shot and what a Toughie

The glowing reports from the Minstermen fills my heart with gladness. I just hope and pray Meredith's 'energetic attack-minded' tendencies are allowed to blossom!

Parkinsons transfer policy seems to have changed, long may it continue.

Wow - some optimism & generally good comments. Don't know anything about this lad, but sounds promising.
Not a Parkinson fan myself, but he has the chance to show what he can do now - good luck - Bantams expect!

Alright, what's going on? What have you done with the serial whingers? Where's Waynus, TVOR and the goon from some North Yorkshire backwater?
I'm calling the Police! ;-)
Welcome back and Good Luck to York City next season. Always a good (boozy) day out there.

I know this was doing the rounds back in May but there is a strong rumour going round we are trying to sign York midfielder Patrick Mclaughlin as well anyone else heard this recently.

TirNaNog wrote:
Alright, what's going on? What have you done with the serial whingers? Where's Waynus, TVOR and the goon from some North Yorkshire backwater? I'm calling the Police! ;-) Welcome back and Good Luck to York City next season. Always a good (boozy) day out there.

Serial whingers? When was the last time I whinged? What did I whinge about?
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But, just to appease you, didn't Phil Parkinson accuse us of building a squad with no league experience last season and basically knocked the non-league signings that Jacko made? How is Meredith any different?
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Happy now?
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On a more serious note, this is another player I know nothing about so will reserve judgement until I have seen him play. However, the comments above from the 'Minstermen' sound promising. Good luck to the lad and to all the new boys being brought to the club.
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Also best wishes and a warm welcome to York City for the coming season.

your last whinge was in your last comment

brett omerod is available on a free from blackpool proven goal scorer would do well in div 2, 35 years old i would deffo give him a one year contract!

need a mobile striker to replace Hanson and we cracked it.

NEVER HEARD OF HIM ! So York get promoted and this fella wants higher grade football(sic) what it should read is "I get more brass" I just wish you silly posters would remember that la-la land starts and ends with err !! a couple of quid and folk wonder why there is no loyalty any more. does it matter what idiots don the claret and amber ? because all of you want to chop and change each year until 2525(cue for a song)it will never happen again city reaching the top flight, the last time everyone were saying "we should not have gone up it was too soon " so just grow up and support the team you love forever more

seasidebantam wrote:
brett omerod is available on a free from blackpool proven goal scorer would do well in div 2, 35 years old i would deffo give him a one year contract!

He's not very good

McArdle, G Jones and Meredith-the signings are beginning to stack up. I could even begin to get excited in anticipation of 2012/13...except..re
member same time last year? Branston, Mitchell, Hannah..etc.

We've been here ..before...a few times!!

Maybe next season will be very different...from the last two...(and I'm willing to give the side the benefit of the doubt) but...I think I'll wait...until at least October...before ...getting carried away!!

djmoulson wrote:

rogue84 wrote:
york city fan here, he's a fantastic player and works so, so hard every game. never gives more than 100%, he's very strong in posession and can get forward down that left hand side to great effect.
although it surprised me at first that he chose yourselves, i am actually now quite pleased that he's joined a local, ambitious team. all the best with Mez!

Cheers rogue84, he certainly talked himself up well in a York Press article I read, and sounds like the type of full back we've been needing for years. Nice to hear some nice comments about us for a change from a 3rd party too. To return the love I was chuffed to bits that York City got promoted back to the league, I always love the away games there, and nice to see another Yorkshire side back in professional football. CTID

That is all fair and well djmoulson, am glad to see York doing well, but I cannot extend such sentiments to another Yorkshire side L666s, who I would love to see get relegated season after season to being a part time amateur side.

Cityman23 wrote:
McArdle, G Jones and Meredith-the signings are beginning to stack up. I could even begin to get excited in anticipation of 2012/13...except..re

member same time last year? Branston, Mitchell, Hannah..etc.

We've been here ..before...a few times!!

Maybe next season will be very different...from the last two...(and I'm willing to give the side the benefit of the doubt) but...I think I'll wait...until at least October...before ...getting carried away!!

theres still a long way to go squad wise. The right hand side is still needing work. We need some creation from midfield and then theres cover for everywhere for injuries. few sides will be lucky to get through the season injury free. What happens were we to have a few injuries? McCall had a few in his time managing here. Anything on those terms and i guess we would be finally using the loan system as it was intended........

dannbradfc wrote:

Cityman23 wrote:
McArdle, G Jones and Meredith-the signings are beginning to stack up. I could even begin to get excited in anticipation of 2012/13...except..re


member same time last year? Branston, Mitchell, Hannah..etc.

We've been here ..before...a few times!!

Maybe next season will be very different...from the last two...(and I'm willing to give the side the benefit of the doubt) but...I think I'll wait...until at least October...before ...getting carried away!!

theres still a long way to go squad wise. The right hand side is still needing work. We need some creation from midfield and then theres cover for everywhere for injuries. few sides will be lucky to get through the season injury free. What happens were we to have a few injuries? McCall had a few in his time managing here. Anything on those terms and i guess we would be finally using the loan system as it was intended........

You can't write facts like that. Next you will have the cyber police accusing you of not being posiitive and quoting the Dalai Lama to you.......!
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Remember, some people would prefer positivity than true, hard facts.

citytilidie465 wrote:
your last whinge was in your last comment

Give over, I was asking where I had whinged and then tried to add some humour at the end. Is that really me whinging?
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Funnily enough, TirNaNog hasn't bothered to defend his accusation towards me. I don't think he knows the difference between whinging and giving facts.....!

He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that.

By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans.

We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge.

These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that.

By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans.

We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge.

These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

Exactly PCBA, our assumptions and opinions are much more worth discussing and arguing over if they are supported with some sort of evidence.

The main 'fact' that waynus -and others- are appearing to be forgoing at the mo and getting all uptight about is that the season doesn't kick off till 18th August and even after that date there will be players being brought in to strengthen the squad where and when necessary.

“If a problem can be solved it will be. If it can not be solved there is no use worrying about it.”
― Dalai Lama XIV

A point I have been making, a full month until even the first meaningful friendly. I know we'll have the staff, I know we will add to it as the season goes along, 4th division clubs cannot afford to hold double cover in every position.

In essence, I'm not worried one bit and have that pre-season optimism already cranking. Possibly my biggest failing but I don't see the point going into a season full of negativity.

*so we will need to add to the squad through the season with loans. * missed from middle para above.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that.

By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans.

We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge.

These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

Exactly PCBA, our assumptions and opinions are much more worth discussing and arguing over if they are supported with some sort of evidence.

The main 'fact' that waynus -and others- are appearing to be forgoing at the mo and getting all uptight about is that the season doesn't kick off till 18th August and even after that date there will be players being brought in to strengthen the squad where and when necessary.

“If a problem can be solved it will be. If it can not be solved there is no use worrying about it.”
― Dalai Lama XIV

This is what we have been after season after season though Lonnie and yet we have used 40 plus players a few times despite having a decent sized squad to start with. I for one don't want to use the loan system (only to cover injuries) and prefer to watch a team with our players, as much as that means these days.

You consistently propose the development of our own players but the way we have used the loan system negates this.

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that.

By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans.

We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge.

These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

I agree.......

On the 24 year old. i'm trying to be optimistic about this signing more based on the york fans reaction than the so-called higher division club interest. The former is real.....i will still reserve judgement for when i see him in the flesh as i always do. Even decent players on paper can come to a club for the wrong reasons or other agendas etc.....ultimately its out there that matters.......

Waynus1971 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

Cityman23 wrote:
McArdle, G Jones and Meredith-the signings are beginning to stack up. I could even begin to get excited in anticipation of 2012/13...except..re



member same time last year? Branston, Mitchell, Hannah..etc.

We've been here ..before...a few times!!

Maybe next season will be very different...from the last two...(and I'm willing to give the side the benefit of the doubt) but...I think I'll wait...until at least October...before ...getting carried away!!

theres still a long way to go squad wise. The right hand side is still needing work. We need some creation from midfield and then theres cover for everywhere for injuries. few sides will be lucky to get through the season injury free. What happens were we to have a few injuries? McCall had a few in his time managing here. Anything on those terms and i guess we would be finally using the loan system as it was intended........

You can't write facts like that. Next you will have the cyber police accusing you of not being posiitive and quoting the Dalai Lama to you.......!
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Remember, some people would prefer positivity than true, hard facts.

ha ha.....

its also a fact that Spain will always have the highest pass completion rate but the facts don't mention the half a dozen five yard passes every 2 minutes that inflate the figure. Its abit like the football version of the chuckle brothers 'to me to you'. Problem is it works ;-)......

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that.

By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans.

We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge.

These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

Exactly PCBA, our assumptions and opinions are much more worth discussing and arguing over if they are supported with some sort of evidence.

The main 'fact' that waynus -and others- are appearing to be forgoing at the mo and getting all uptight about is that the season doesn't kick off till 18th August and even after that date there will be players being brought in to strengthen the squad where and when necessary.

“If a problem can be solved it will be. If it can not be solved there is no use worrying about it.”
― Dalai Lama XIV

This is what we have been after season after season though Lonnie and yet we have used 40 plus players a few times despite having a decent sized squad to start with. I for one don't want to use the loan system (only to cover injuries) and prefer to watch a team with our players, as much as that means these days.

You consistently propose the development of our own players but the way we have used the loan system negates this.

The answer -imo- is to stop changing managers every year. I think I have made this point
ad nauseum but I obviously aren't very good at communicating this opinion. And of course the more we change managers and the more player changes the new managers make in order to 'build their own team' and the more this is repeated the longer we stay in league 2 and the more critical it becomes to get out and the less patient fans and directors become resulting in yet more necessary (?) short term goals.When they are not achieved, This often results in another new manager and etc. etc. etc we are no further forward than 4 managers previous.

We can hopefully make some headway re 'the development of our own players' when we give the manager enough time and job security to be able to develop in his role instead of wanting some short term satisfaction from changing a manager and thinking this automatically leads to a manager who will get the team promoted in his first full season in charge. Surely I'm not the only one who can see the folly in changing managers at the rate we have?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that. By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans. We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge. These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

Exactly PCBA, our assumptions and opinions are much more worth discussing and arguing over if they are supported with some sort of evidence. The main 'fact' that waynus -and others- are appearing to be forgoing at the mo and getting all uptight about is that the season doesn't kick off till 18th August and even after that date there will be players being brought in to strengthen the squad where and when necessary. “If a problem can be solved it will be. If it can not be solved there is no use worrying about it.” ― Dalai Lama XIV

This is what we have been after season after season though Lonnie and yet we have used 40 plus players a few times despite having a decent sized squad to start with. I for one don't want to use the loan system (only to cover injuries) and prefer to watch a team with our players, as much as that means these days. You consistently propose the development of our own players but the way we have used the loan system negates this.

The answer -imo- is to stop changing managers every year. I think I have made this point ad nauseum but I obviously aren't very good at communicating this opinion. And of course the more we change managers and the more player changes the new managers make in order to 'build their own team' and the more this is repeated the longer we stay in league 2 and the more critical it becomes to get out and the less patient fans and directors become resulting in yet more necessary (?) short term goals.When they are not achieved, This often results in another new manager and etc. etc. etc we are no further forward than 4 managers previous. We can hopefully make some headway re 'the development of our own players' when we give the manager enough time and job security to be able to develop in his role instead of wanting some short term satisfaction from changing a manager and thinking this automatically leads to a manager who will get the team promoted in his first full season in charge. Surely I'm not the only one who can see the folly in changing managers at the rate we have?

This wasn't an attack but an observation on your post about time to bring in players. I for one don't want to fill the squad with loans as i say. I also don't advocate a change in manager, only when the football on offer 'stinks' and i can't see progress. Stu would have still been here for me on that basis. Taylor had to go imo and Parky's negativity last season did not fill me with confidence. he has a season now with his squad. You may clamour for more but IF he is overly negative, plays poor football AND doesn't get results then i may want him to follow taylor. As it is i hope that isn't the case. I will had though that building a squad via time also demands the length of contracts, age of signings etc to be part of this process.

The fans in the stadium have rarely voiced their opinions of the manager on mass, mostly this has been done on pages such as this. I hope that you consider the chairmans role in 3 out of 4 managers feeling the need to resign. Indeed lawn for instance has voiced his opnions on managers many times thus perhaps as he as much more power in this process than the fans he should take your advise of patience ;-)

furthermore i like others will also question managers, even good one's if they are doing things i don't understand or even like. You yourself lonnie questioned some of Parky's decisions last season and thats the way of any football fan worth his/her salt......

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: He may not but I do. I don't think you whinge too much, no more nor less than most of us. Your posts usually pick holes or try to pick holes but I think lonnie had an effect on a lot of us when he pulled us for making wild statements, I know at least you, Dann and myself try to back up our comments with at least a bit of thought, even if we aren't 'towing the party line' and there is nothing wrong with that. By not jumping up and down doing a sex wee about a 24 year old player who we know little about isn't negative or whinging, expecially as you say you'll reserve judgement until able to make your own mind up. You've said the same about mcardle, again common sense not moans. We don't always see eye to eye but I appreciate where your heart lies and your train of thought goes. You do also make some idiotic comments but I too wear that badge. These pages would be far duller if it weren't for your comments and many others alike.

Exactly PCBA, our assumptions and opinions are much more worth discussing and arguing over if they are supported with some sort of evidence. The main 'fact' that waynus -and others- are appearing to be forgoing at the mo and getting all uptight about is that the season doesn't kick off till 18th August and even after that date there will be players being brought in to strengthen the squad where and when necessary. “If a problem can be solved it will be. If it can not be solved there is no use worrying about it.” ― Dalai Lama XIV

This is what we have been after season after season though Lonnie and yet we have used 40 plus players a few times despite having a decent sized squad to start with. I for one don't want to use the loan system (only to cover injuries) and prefer to watch a team with our players, as much as that means these days. You consistently propose the development of our own players but the way we have used the loan system negates this.

The answer -imo- is to stop changing managers every year. I think I have made this point ad nauseum but I obviously aren't very good at communicating this opinion. And of course the more we change managers and the more player changes the new managers make in order to 'build their own team' and the more this is repeated the longer we stay in league 2 and the more critical it becomes to get out and the less patient fans and directors become resulting in yet more necessary (?) short term goals.When they are not achieved, This often results in another new manager and etc. etc. etc we are no further forward than 4 managers previous. We can hopefully make some headway re 'the development of our own players' when we give the manager enough time and job security to be able to develop in his role instead of wanting some short term satisfaction from changing a manager and thinking this automatically leads to a manager who will get the team promoted in his first full season in charge. Surely I'm not the only one who can see the folly in changing managers at the rate we have?

This wasn't an attack but an observation on your post about time to bring in players. I for one don't want to fill the squad with loans as i say. I also don't advocate a change in manager, only when the football on offer 'stinks' and i can't see progress. Stu would have still been here for me on that basis. Taylor had to go imo and Parky's negativity last season did not fill me with confidence. he has a season now with his squad. You may clamour for more but IF he is overly negative, plays poor football AND doesn't get results then i may want him to follow taylor. As it is i hope that isn't the case. I will had though that building a squad via time also demands the length of contracts, age of signings etc to be part of this process.

The fans in the stadium have rarely voiced their opinions of the manager on mass, mostly this has been done on pages such as this. I hope that you consider the chairmans role in 3 out of 4 managers feeling the need to resign. Indeed lawn for instance has voiced his opnions on managers many times thus perhaps as he as much more power in this process than the fans he should take your advise of patience ;-)

furthermore i like others will also question managers, even good one's if they are doing things i don't understand or even like. You yourself lonnie questioned some of Parky's decisions last season and thats the way of any football fan worth his/her salt......

I think we have to be pragmatic regarding what is the best way to build a successful team/squad dann. I think the 'length of contracts' etc should be dependent on the job that is required for that moment in time. If you are building a house you don't need scaffolding to put in the foundations. And you don't sign a contract to hire the scaffolding
for two years if you are only repairing a couple of leaks around the flashing of the dormer.

In other words, if we (in the managers view) need to shore up a position for a month then so be it. If he thought one of the youth team members could do the job then he would use him wouldn't he?

Of course the board of directors are ultimately responsible for us going through managers at an alarming rate, but if you yourself are basically in agreement that two of the last 4
could have gone and you wouldn't have been concerned (Taylor and PP) then we are always going to differ on the best we forward. (And by the way, I did point out to you before dann that Taylor resigned because of the reaction of the fans to him NOT ML or JR) And anyway, if the Chairmen are giving the manager some stick because the football is poor and or the results are poor and the fans are not happy isn't that what you are wanting? What do you expect the Board to react like when the Team is sinking towards possible oblivion? I have said it before dann, if the managers can't stand the pressure from the Board when they have failed to deliver their promises then maybe they need to manage a Club where the expectancy and pressure for success is less. At the end of the day I don't think I have much option than to believe in and trust that ML and JR are doing their best in the best interests of Bradford City. So when push come to shove, they will get my backing over any player, manager or with respect a large number -it appears- of City fans who think they know better of how to run the Club (and I include myself in that number if I ever give the impression that I could run the Club better).

There is also a big difference dann in 'questioning' and/or disagreeing strongly with what the managers decisions are and wanting them sacked. I have never called for the manager to be sacked because to me they haven't been in the job long enough to be able to develop their plans fully. I take into consideration things such as injuries and the necessity of emergency loans etc when judging the managers ability to deliver the goods. Once we have had a manager for a few years and he has had an opportunity to smooth out the peaks and troughs of building a team then I will be happy to reconsider whether he is actually capable of progressing or whether it is time to give someone else a few years at the helm.

A quality and fair response. We do differ on the fans role in our resigning managers. Taylor for instance had very little chants etc against him. I didn't see any article where he cites the fans as the reason for him leaving but trust your statement that this was why. I also feel that it would be natural for lawn et al to question the justification on wages on a guy who was away from the club alot AND not delivering. Its interesting that since the appointment of Parkinson thats the continual soundbite that we hear e.g. thats he works incredibly hard. This was also cited when he was chosen.

I agree that a change in manger usually also equates to huge changes regarding squad, style etc and that its often disadvantageous. However its just my view that taylors style of football was not acceptable for me. neither was parkinsons most of the time last season. I again argue that city fans traditionally like our teams to attack, usually with wingers, and the Docherty era and more recently Taylor is further evidence of this and these type of managers will always feel under pressure from city fans if results are not forthcoming.

One question does your pressure statement apply to Taylor?

dannbradfc wrote:
A quality and fair response. We do differ on the fans role in our resigning managers. Taylor for instance had very little chants etc against him. I didn't see any article where he cites the fans as the reason for him leaving but trust your statement that this was why. I also feel that it would be natural for lawn et al to question the justification on wages on a guy who was away from the club alot AND not delivering. Its interesting that since the appointment of Parkinson thats the continual soundbite that we hear e.g. thats he works incredibly hard. This was also cited when he was chosen.

I agree that a change in manger usually also equates to huge changes regarding squad, style etc and that its often disadvantageous. However its just my view that taylors style of football was not acceptable for me. neither was parkinsons most of the time last season. I again argue that city fans traditionally like our teams to attack, usually with wingers, and the Docherty era and more recently Taylor is further evidence of this and these type of managers will always feel under pressure from city fans if results are not forthcoming.

One question does your pressure statement apply to Taylor?

Hi dann, yes, my 'pressure statement' does apply to Taylor. However,iInsults and abuse, whether it be against the manager or his family members are excluded and not acceptable as being part of what my definition of being able to 'take the pressure'. Nobody should have to put up with having to accept that in their job. (although it will almost certainly be part of this type of job,because we have to accept there will always be a LIMITED number of sad losers who feel a little better after abusing folk who have been much more successful in their life than the abusers). I don't know what the specifics were in what happened in PT's case but his reasons above -if abuse was not the reason- disappoint me. I would have liked him to have seen his contract out, but also accept things are never as simple and straightforward as they appear from the 'outside'.

Here is the the quote reported in the T@A 24TH Feb 2011.

Taylor said: "I had a meeting with Julian Rhodes yesterday and I made the decision that this is my last game.

"We had a tremendous chat and I'm really impressed with Julian and Mark Lawn. They've been very supportive.

"But the crowd's reaction on Tuesday just made up my mind that it was the best time to go for everybody's sake. Bradford City is more important than any individual." Maybe we can stop blaming/suggesting Lawn and Rhodes was to blame for this resignation now?

LONNIE

to be fair whilst it was another resigantion in our chairmans tenure Taylor's was one i feel may have not been due to any overt 'pressure' from themselves. Although thats not to say things may have been suggested.

Indeed Taylor like all the others more than likely had clauses in their contracts or even part of his settlement whereby the chairman weren't to be criticised directly. None of the other managers did or stated anything neither.

Furthermore the chairman did not have to accept Taylor's resignation but did so apparently without seemingly much resistance. Thus just because taylor did not directly allude to any chairman involvement in his decision doesn't necessarily mean that there was nothing......

dannbradfc wrote:
LONNIE

to be fair whilst it was another resigantion in our chairmans tenure Taylor's was one i feel may have not been due to any overt 'pressure' from themselves. Although thats not to say things may have been suggested.

Indeed Taylor like all the others more than likely had clauses in their contracts or even part of his settlement whereby the chairman weren't to be criticised directly. None of the other managers did or stated anything neither.

Furthermore the chairman did not have to accept Taylor's resignation but did so apparently without seemingly much resistance. Thus just because taylor did not directly allude to any chairman involvement in his decision doesn't necessarily mean that there was nothing......

So are you complaining that the Chairmen MAY have have caused the managers to resign because they may have expressed their dissatisfaction at the lack of progress from the managers?

Are you complaining or in agreement that the Chairmen accepted their resignations?

I don't know what point you are trying to make against the Chairmen. Wouldn't it be a lot simpler if you said what you believe actually happened and say whether you agreed or disagreed with what you believe happened? I thought you wanted Taylor out? How would you have preferred him to have to have gone? What is it you are wanting to say dann but appear to be beating about the bush, just say it and then explain whether you agree/disagree and why.

I have told you my position: I am not happy with the Chairmen not being able to keep a manager in place for long enough to make a real difference. I have explained why I think some of the managers have resigned and I am not happy with some of their reasons either, but I can empathise and although disappointed accept that they maybe underestimated the pressure they would be under when they took the job of managing a Club like Bradford City.

Dann, it's you who appears to be in agreement with a quick turnover of managers when the entertainment is less than you expected and was certainly in agreement with the Chairmen allowing Taylor to go through resigning/sacking was you not?And, unless I am completely wrong, you would also have been content to see Parkinson resign/sacked part way through last season would you not? So maybe you'll understand me dann when I say: you have me confused as to what you are -if you are- criticising the Chairmen for doing/not doing? Could you be specific if you respond dann please.