I must turn Syers' exit into a positive, says Bradford City manager Parkinson (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Forget oliver and rammers for me.
They would have signed long ago for me.
I dont like the idea these players can have our offers on the table, and still inviting offers from other clubs.
Im concerned parkys , list of players he wants dont seem to be chomping at the bit to join cty.
Rotherham seem to be doing there transfer business quickley.
Gray is another one who seems to be dragging his heels on joining us.
im fearing we will again see some panic buying at cty.
lets be honest were an 18th placed lge2 club that havent even looked like promotion for years.

End of June is when decisions will be made by payers both in and out. One thing i can't believe sick note(Ramadan) has not signed though, expected it fronm syers(d**ty Leeds).

Just remember Parky that two Positives starts nothing!

Do you know what the next excuse will be from the chairman and parky?.
We havent had all the players we wanted in for preseason thats why we have started slow this season.
While we still hang on for parky to still wait for answers on his target list that may or not come off, other clubs will get the best whats available an we will be stuck again with the atkinson, kozlucks of this world.
Action speak louder than words at cty with the dissapointments we fans have had to put up with.

if we cannot get syers to sign for the money offered I would suggest it is going to be an impossibility to sign a better player for the same money or less.

How can PP believe he will get a better player.? Ah. thought so it's in his mind and brain.

We are likely to end up with few players at this rate and when we do get a squad they are going to be fag end journeymen desperate for a job!! HARDLY BUILDING A SQUAD FOR SUCCESS IT IT?

Why all the panic Prince ?
Players contracts at all clubs always finish on 30th June. Players who are out of contract will have had their agents writing to every club they feel will offer the best contract for the following season(s). By mid June (around now) the agents will be advising them on which clubs are interested, which clubs will offer the best wages and which club is better for career enhancement - whether that be at their existing club (if a new contract has been offered) or somewhere else. A player with a number of options is likely to wait until the end of June before choosing whilst a player with limited options is more likely to sign quickly. (A club may pressurise them by saying their offer is only on the table for a limited time but of course this could backfire).
To summarise Ramsden and Oliver are probably thinking about other options whilst Syers probably felt Doncaster were too good to turn down.
That still leaves a whole host of "free agents" from other clubs some of which will inevitably have received offers from BCFC. Some of those players will have better offers on the table and there is no reason why we (the fans of BCFC) will be any the wiser. Some others will be impressed by our terms but will still be "hanging on" to see if anything better turns up.
Everything changes on July 1st because from then there will be no wages coming in to pay the mortgage and other bills. Players will have to make their mind up and inevitably some will finish up at Valley Parade. City will be at no more disadvantage in the build up to the coming season as any other club as they will still have 5 or 6 weeks to prepare.

I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

How will pp know if a player is better than syers he hardly saw the kid play.Ramsden needs to go hes showing no loyalty to the club or fans who have stuck by him ,when hes been unfit (last 2 years)think he should have bit there hand off who knows what big luke will do i hope he signs but how many centre halves do we need ?

I don't think using the money set aside for a good 24 year old player (on the way up) would be best used for a 34 year old player (on the way down).

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Looks like it's Gazza centre mid then!

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

bwwb wrote:
Why all the panic Prince ?
Players contracts at all clubs always finish on 30th June. Players who are out of contract will have had their agents writing to every club they feel will offer the best contract for the following season(s). By mid June (around now) the agents will be advising them on which clubs are interested, which clubs will offer the best wages and which club is better for career enhancement - whether that be at their existing club (if a new contract has been offered) or somewhere else. A player with a number of options is likely to wait until the end of June before choosing whilst a player with limited options is more likely to sign quickly. (A club may pressurise them by saying their offer is only on the table for a limited time but of course this could backfire).
To summarise Ramsden and Oliver are probably thinking about other options whilst Syers probably felt Doncaster were too good to turn down.
That still leaves a whole host of "free agents" from other clubs some of which will inevitably have received offers from BCFC. Some of those players will have better offers on the table and there is no reason why we (the fans of BCFC) will be any the wiser. Some others will be impressed by our terms but will still be "hanging on" to see if anything better turns up.
Everything changes on July 1st because from then there will be no wages coming in to pay the mortgage and other bills. Players will have to make their mind up and inevitably some will finish up at Valley Parade. City will be at no more disadvantage in the build up to the coming season as any other club as they will still have 5 or 6 weeks to prepare.

You make some good points and I will have to take your word for it on the dealings and timings of the agent.
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I think the biggest issue is that MOST clubs have a squad in place from the last couple of seasons and are merely adding/strengthening it during this window. We are practically starting with a clean canvass, albeit with the outline sketched already.
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We have 2 keepers (including 1 that he signed last year and then loaned out because of his form). NO full-backs (apart from Ramsden who may quit at any time), 2 centre-backs (plus 2 he is trying to move on and 1 that is still considering his options). In the middle of the park, after releasing Bully and Flynn and now Syers leaving, we only have Ravenhill and Jones. On the right we have Stewart (another that he has been trying to release) and nobody else. On the left we only have Reid and no cover. Up front we are 'blessed' with options. We have Hanson and Wells, with Hannah and a first-year pro as back-up.
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That's the difference my friend between why we desperately need to make signings and other clubs. They aren't all in the same boat as us. They have got the majority of their squads in place, whereas we have nothing.
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If Ramsden and Oliver reject our offers and the likes of Duke(?), Branston, Williams and Stewart accept their pay-offs to leave, we will be down to just NINE players.......!
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The only good news about Syers' departure leaving us with just 2 central midfielders, will Scott Brown now get a look in????

Maybe after seeing Jones's experiences last season with apparently having an appearance based contract, Ramsden is wary of signing something similar for fear of getting shafted by the club if we are mid table going nowhere.

Surprised Oliver hasn't made a decision as yet, he obviously has other irons in the fire, but at this time wouldn't have thought CB would be our priority given we have 4 at the club now, granted 2 are not wanted but other clubs may not be willing to offer Branston the wages he is currently on and he may end up sticking around. Unless Parky has bought McArdle to play at LB of course...sorry couldn't resist that one.

Forecast for the Euro Finals:

(Wearing my 'Crystal' Bal(l)briggran FC hat!!):

1/4 Finals:

Russia v Holland
Germany v Poland
France v Italy
Spain v England

Semis:
Russia v Spain
Germany v Italy

Final:
Spain v Germany

Winner: Germany

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

It's true that not many of us expected Davis to sign (there were some, but I must admit I wasn't one of them). However, I specifically asked you to name this vast list of players you claim are better, that we have a realistic chance of signing.
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Your only name was Danial Bogdanovic, who is a forward. He plays predominantly as a striker, but can also play on the flanks. Hower, he is NOT a box-to-box midfielder and when on loan to League1 last season, apparently didn't pull up any trees.
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If, and I doubt this very much, PP believes that Bogdanovic can replace Syers, do you REALLY expect we can sign him on the wages Syers turned down?????

Can I just as what the hell Rambo has to mull over on his contract? The fact that he's been too disappointing in a City shirt to really deserve one? The fact that he's barely kicked a ball for us in two years while the club has stuck by him, aided his recovery, and paid him good sums of money for sitting on the touch line crocked. Sign it today Ramsden or go and find yourself another club more deserving of your 'obvious talents'

Another well constructed analysis by Waynus does convey the reality behind the club hype. Building expectations to sell season tickets is a cynical exercise when only two players have been signed in a supposed squad re-assembly. Of course the two newcomers are quality at this level, but how many additional players of such quality will be needed in order to finish higher than 18th in Div 2? It is difficult to see the club being able to re-build to the extent that they need to with the resources at their disposal. Even two more quality players would not place us in a position of strength. It's likely to take six or seven and there's no suggestion of the cash being available for such recruitment. While the club infra structure remains in its current position it really is the triumph of expectation over reality to see the kind of improvement that the fans would wish for.

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

Besides, not only is Daniel Bogdanovic a right winger/forward, his name is "still flying around the rumour pages" for a number of clubs. We aren't the only club being linked with him. That's why they are called RUMOUR pages. They aren't to be trusted.....!

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

It's true that not many of us expected Davis to sign (there were some, but I must admit I wasn't one of them). However, I specifically asked you to name this vast list of players you claim are better, that we have a realistic chance of signing.
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Your only name was Danial Bogdanovic, who is a forward. He plays predominantly as a striker, but can also play on the flanks. Hower, he is NOT a box-to-box midfielder and when on loan to League1 last season, apparently didn't pull up any trees.
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If, and I doubt this very much, PP believes that Bogdanovic can replace Syers, do you REALLY expect we can sign him on the wages Syers turned down?????

PP as scouts and contacts to find these players and that's his job just because Alex does't know them all doesn't mean there are none out there. Also just how much did $yer$ turn down Waynuss (we don't know) so how do you know we cant get sign him for that?

Too me its farce.
You need all the players in for pre-season with the amount of signings the club need.
Get them to gel, etc.
As said by the three amigos we want to hit the ground running.
Rotherham bring evans in and straight way deals are done for players and of good quality.
Jacko was said to not have the pulling power to bring in established pro's etc.
Parky seems to be the same .
God knows what level of fitness some players will arrive at if they arrive through pre-season.
Then you get this player hasnt had a pre season an cant play him for 90, minutes as not fit enough yet.
I can see another season of excuses with the cautious parkinson at the helm.

Waynus are you likely to back up the statement that most other clubs are retaining the core of their side and adding only a few faces? Was Swindon's success based on a retained core of players from the previous season? There's more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I presume that your statement was made pursuant to a diligent trawl by you of the retained lists of the other 23 clubs and not just some fanciful statement made on a whim to support your panic riddled argument? Because if not, it would discredit it somewhat.

Waynus are you likely to back up the statement that most other clubs are retaining the core of their side and adding only a few faces? Was Swindon's success based on a retained core of players from the previous season? There's more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I presume that your statement was made pursuant to a diligent trawl by you of the retained lists of the other 23 clubs and not just some fanciful statement made on a whim to support your panic riddled argument? Because if not, it would discredit it somewhat.

Nickloza wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

It's true that not many of us expected Davis to sign (there were some, but I must admit I wasn't one of them). However, I specifically asked you to name this vast list of players you claim are better, that we have a realistic chance of signing.
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Your only name was Danial Bogdanovic, who is a forward. He plays predominantly as a striker, but can also play on the flanks. Hower, he is NOT a box-to-box midfielder and when on loan to League1 last season, apparently didn't pull up any trees.
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If, and I doubt this very much, PP believes that Bogdanovic can replace Syers, do you REALLY expect we can sign him on the wages Syers turned down?????

PP as scouts and contacts to find these players and that's his job just because Alex does't know them all doesn't mean there are none out there. Also just how much did $yer$ turn down Waynuss (we don't know) so how do you know we cant get sign him for that?

There are 2 responses to your post Nickloza.
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Firstly, you are right that Parkinson has scouts that will seek out players he wants. However, that isn't the same as being able to attract those players and get them to sign for us. If it was that easy, we would have more than 9 players for next season.....!
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Secondly, I didn't say I know how much Syers was offered. What we do know is that we offered a "competitive" wage (according to the club) and Syers turned it down. He originally turned it down in January (according to PP) and has now chosen to accept a contract elsewhere. Aleximo claimed that Syers is bang average and that there are loads of better quality players out there. I merely asked the question, how does he expect us to attract better quality if a bang average league2 player rejected a similar contract.

prince35 wrote:
Too me its farce.
You need all the players in for pre-season with the amount of signings the club need.
Get them to gel, etc.
As said by the three amigos we want to hit the ground running.
Rotherham bring evans in and straight way deals are done for players and of good quality.
Jacko was said to not have the pulling power to bring in established pro's etc.
Parky seems to be the same .
God knows what level of fitness some players will arrive at if they arrive through pre-season.
Then you get this player hasnt had a pre season an cant play him for 90, minutes as not fit enough yet.
I can see another season of excuses with the cautious parkinson at the helm.

Have faith Prince pre-seasons still a couple of weeks away and as the saying goes a day is a long time in football.

Waynus1971 wrote:

Nickloza wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

It's true that not many of us expected Davis to sign (there were some, but I must admit I wasn't one of them). However, I specifically asked you to name this vast list of players you claim are better, that we have a realistic chance of signing.
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Your only name was Danial Bogdanovic, who is a forward. He plays predominantly as a striker, but can also play on the flanks. Hower, he is NOT a box-to-box midfielder and when on loan to League1 last season, apparently didn't pull up any trees.
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If, and I doubt this very much, PP believes that Bogdanovic can replace Syers, do you REALLY expect we can sign him on the wages Syers turned down?????

PP as scouts and contacts to find these players and that's his job just because Alex does't know them all doesn't mean there are none out there. Also just how much did $yer$ turn down Waynuss (we don't know) so how do you know we cant get sign him for that?

There are 2 responses to your post Nickloza.
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Firstly, you are right that Parkinson has scouts that will seek out players he wants. However, that isn't the same as being able to attract those players and get them to sign for us. If it was that easy, we would have more than 9 players for next season.....!
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Secondly, I didn't say I know how much Syers was offered. What we do know is that we offered a "competitive" wage (according to the club) and Syers turned it down. He originally turned it down in January (according to PP) and has now chosen to accept a contract elsewhere. Aleximo claimed that Syers is bang average and that there are loads of better quality players out there. I merely asked the question, how does he expect us to attract better quality if a bang average league2 player rejected a similar contract.

There you go again twisting peoples words where did I say anything would be easy I merely pointed out those players are out there and PP will know who they are whether he can sign them or not is another matter. On your second point you said we couldn't get the player for the money Syers turned down you don't even know what he turned down!

Take a chill pill folks it's only June players will come,good ones too enjoy the euros and olympics let parky get on with it,just dont get all the moaning out of season,
Two months till start of season CTID

Please do not entertain Bogdanovic a player who has had 15 clubs in 12 years (only 2 on loan) is not one anybody wants to keep and is hardly likely to be one to lift the dressing room

Citytilidie wrote:
Take a chill pill folks it's only June players will come,good ones too enjoy the euros and olympics let parky get on with it,just dont get all the moaning out of season,
Two months till start of season CTID

Here here, miserable negative bassas the lot of em, Let him do his business before moaning. He has my full backing this season. Just hope Mr Lawn engages brain before opening mouth in press in the coming weeks.

Oliver's shinpad wrote:
Waynus are you likely to back up the statement that most other clubs are retaining the core of their side and adding only a few faces? Was Swindon's success based on a retained core of players from the previous season? There's more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I presume that your statement was made pursuant to a diligent trawl by you of the retained lists of the other 23 clubs and not just some fanciful statement made on a whim to support your panic riddled argument? Because if not, it would discredit it somewhat.

Boot on the other foot (or should that be shinpad). If you don't believe that most clubs will be tweaking their squads rather than bringing in 10-12 new players, please show me the evidence.
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As for Swindon, they, like some other sides with money, can buy plenty of new players every close-season. Rotherham are a prime example of that.
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However, for every 'Swindon' you throw at me, I will throw a 'Torquay' at you. If I have time this weekend, I will try to back up my argument with evidence. I won't include promoted or relegated sides as they would look to change their sides. However, those that were in the league the year before won't have made vast changes, I expect.

Nickloza wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

Nickloza wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
I stated in my post yesterday, that there are much better players out there without a club and would jump at the chance of another club.

Care to name these whole host of better players that 'are available' and will cost nothing to sign? There may be better players out there (of a similar type), such as Lampard, but I can't see him quitting Chelski for us.
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Ok, that last comment may be tongue-in-cheek, but my point is, we have no money for a transfer fee and if we can't tempt "a division 4 footballer" to re-sign, how do you expect 'better quality players' to sign on similar wages??????

Who would have expected Davis to sign? Remember Syers ha one brilliant season scorring 10 goals then was unfortunately injured and wass kept out for most of the season. Yes, Parky never got to see his true potential but he mus have had other plans to replace him. Like I mentioned in my post, Bogdanovic who is at Blackpool wants out and the fans want him out. He can play r.m/f C. m/f and striker if needed. His name is still flying around the rumour pages and just maybe he might be on PP's list.

It's true that not many of us expected Davis to sign (there were some, but I must admit I wasn't one of them). However, I specifically asked you to name this vast list of players you claim are better, that we have a realistic chance of signing.
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Your only name was Danial Bogdanovic, who is a forward. He plays predominantly as a striker, but can also play on the flanks. Hower, he is NOT a box-to-box midfielder and when on loan to League1 last season, apparently didn't pull up any trees.
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If, and I doubt this very much, PP believes that Bogdanovic can replace Syers, do you REALLY expect we can sign him on the wages Syers turned down?????

PP as scouts and contacts to find these players and that's his job just because Alex does't know them all doesn't mean there are none out there. Also just how much did $yer$ turn down Waynuss (we don't know) so how do you know we cant get sign him for that?

There are 2 responses to your post Nickloza.
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Firstly, you are right that Parkinson has scouts that will seek out players he wants. However, that isn't the same as being able to attract those players and get them to sign for us. If it was that easy, we would have more than 9 players for next season.....!
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Secondly, I didn't say I know how much Syers was offered. What we do know is that we offered a "competitive" wage (according to the club) and Syers turned it down. He originally turned it down in January (according to PP) and has now chosen to accept a contract elsewhere. Aleximo claimed that Syers is bang average and that there are loads of better quality players out there. I merely asked the question, how does he expect us to attract better quality if a bang average league2 player rejected a similar contract.

There you go again twisting peoples words where did I say anything would be easy I merely pointed out those players are out there and PP will know who they are whether he can sign them or not is another matter. On your second point you said we couldn't get the player for the money Syers turned down you don't even know what he turned down!

For Christ's sake calm down and read what has been typed. You start by accusing me of "twisting people's words". Can you tell me where I posted you had said it would be easy..! I didn't. What I said is that Aleximo had said there were plenty of better players out there; you then defended him by saying it was PPs job (or his scout's) to find them. I merely pointed out that it isn't just as simple as scouting a player. You have to be able to get this 'better' player to sign.
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As for your second post, you wrote, "You said we couldn't get the player for the money Syers turned down". Where did I write that? Please READ what is typed, NOT what you interpret it to say....! I think what you will read is that I asked how we expect to be able to sign 'better quality' players than an 'average League2 player', if that bang average player turned down our offer......!
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And writing Syers' name with dollar signs isn't big or clever. As YOU yourself wrote, we DON'T know what he turned down, so why the derogatory comments towards him???

Ravenhill and Jones are both good players but defensive. if Hanson is going to lead the line we do need a central midfield player with pace to get near him quickly. Sorry to see Syers go. a result of cheap season tickets?

I think people seem to forget that the season starts later this year. So clubs do have more time to prepare.

ynotdunne wrote:
End of June is when decisions will be made by payers both in and out. One thing i can't believe sick note(Ramadan) has not signed though, expected it fronm syers(d**ty Leeds).

its amazing how people so turn on players,now he's dirty leeds?
sometimes i hate our own fans, never give a player who leaves a warm welcome to the ground or a thank you when they leave.
we have been linked with an ex leeds player this week, i would tell city to get fu-cked if i read what some of you put on here!
great when they come tos-sers when they leave!!
complete morons..

The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

yangyeight wrote:

ynotdunne wrote:
End of June is when decisions will be made by payers both in and out. One thing i can't believe sick note(Ramadan) has not signed though, expected it fronm syers(d**ty Leeds).

its amazing how people so turn on players,now he's dirty leeds?
sometimes i hate our own fans, never give a player who leaves a warm welcome to the ground or a thank you when they leave.
we have been linked with an ex leeds player this week, i would tell city to get fu-cked if i read what some of you put on here!
great when they come tos-sers when they leave!!
complete morons..

Spot on pal. It's been happening for years and what about 1983-84. Trevor Cherry, Terry Yorath. Oh and John Hawley ex Leeds. Not many people happy then but Hey they were gods because they contributed to the 1985 div,3. title. What have Leeds got to do with the price of fish? People should forget them and concentrate on getting behind the manager and the team.

Very disappointed about Syers leaving. As for these comments “Phil Parkinson has vowed to replace David Syers with an even better player following the midfielder’s defection to Doncaster. Syers was out of contract at the end of last season but City offered him a new deal which Parkinson felt was “very competitive”.

He was a Bradford player, we dint have to replace him, if the offer had been what the player wanted he wouldn’t have looked elsewhere. As for the comment ‘very competitive’ (contract) obviously not. I keep going on about the efforts made to replace Compton, half a season of try-outs none of which showed any potential.

If Syers is rated by a club in the division above, why couldn’t our manager appreciate his talents? What will it cost to find someone of his potential, I would suggest a great deal more than we can afford. Very short sighted dealings by the club.

We have been waiting for these signings to be announced, we have been told of these exciting players to sign and will be announced in three weeks, that was ages ago?

Is it just me, but I am beginning to lose faith in our club, I can’t believe anything that is said.” We are building a team to challenge”. A team with goals in it, a squad for success? All the right noise coming out, or was this just to sell season tickets?

One thing for sure this coming season Mr PP will have no more excuses. It will be his team, he will chose these players.

I do hope we don’t have to endure those negative tactics of the previous season. Must agree with Tyker2 “We are likely to end up with few players at this rate and when we do get a squad they are going to be fag end journeymen desperate for a job!! HARDLY BUILDING A SQUAD FOR SUCCESS IS IT”?

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

sorry Alex I didn't mean your words he was trying to twist my words.

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

Thanks for the response Aleximo.
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I too, believe he had already decided he was going in January. That's when the club offered him the new deal and according to PP, it was declined.
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Now recently, the club announced that the same contract was still on the table. There was no mention of it being increased and we keep mentioning that it was 'competitive'. Obviously not competitive enough to stop Syers looking at options elsewhere.
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Personally, I think he will be a big loss to City and a huge gain for Donnie. I can see him making a similar, if not bigger impact, than Furman and Law when they moved on.
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In relation to Syers' replacement, I wish PP lots of luck. I just think he will find it very difficult to replace an 'average League2 player' with better on just a 'competitive' contract.

Nickloza wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

sorry Alex I didn't mean your words he was trying to twist my words.

I think I missed the post where you showed me where I 'twisted your words'. Please post again, so we can all read when I allegedy did this.....!
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Or are you just going to throw around insults and accusations without backing them up???

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

Thanks for the response Aleximo.
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I too, believe he had already decided he was going in January. That's when the club offered him the new deal and according to PP, it was declined.
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Now recently, the club announced that the same contract was still on the table. There was no mention of it being increased and we keep mentioning that it was 'competitive'. Obviously not competitive enough to stop Syers looking at options elsewhere.
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Personally, I think he will be a big loss to City and a huge gain for Donnie. I can see him making a similar, if not bigger impact, than Furman and Law when they moved on.
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In relation to Syers' replacement, I wish PP lots of luck. I just think he will find it very difficult to replace an 'average League2 player' with better on just a 'competitive' contract.

That's ok pal. It seems to me that there is a lot of bluff calling going on between club and players. I think somewhere along the line that Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money. In the meantime his agent was speaking with other clubs and at the same time, Parky had someone in mind to replace him if he walked. We all know one player doesn't make a team. To win promotion you need a squad of players ALL chipping in and doing their bit for the cause. I believe parky wanted him as a squad player along with Jones and still had someone else in mind to join up. Obviously Syers must have thought he was automatically 1st choice. Of course he was offered more money at a higher level of football and grabbed it with both hands. We will see now in the very near future which player replaces him.

Oliver's shinpad wrote:
Waynus are you likely to back up the statement that most other clubs are retaining the core of their side and adding only a few faces? Was Swindon's success based on a retained core of players from the previous season? There's more than one way to skin a cat my friend. I presume that your statement was made pursuant to a diligent trawl by you of the retained lists of the other 23 clubs and not just some fanciful statement made on a whim to support your panic riddled argument? Because if not, it would discredit it somewhat.

As you can appreciate, this is going to take some time. I have completed the first four clubs in our league and here are their stats;
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On 23 May, Barnet announced that SEVEN players would be leaving the club. They were; Cox (0), Dennehy (18), Parkes (11), Brill (36), Marshall (24), McLeod (43) and N'Diaye (2). This left a current squad of 13 players.
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Burton announced they were releasing a total of NINE players. The released players were; Austin (34), Bolder (41), James (32), Pearson (8), Blanchett (14), Gurrieri (13), Ramsey-Dickson (0), Ada (9) and Wren (0), leaving 15 at the club.
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Bristol Rovers announced their retained list on 17 May, with the following SIX players departing; Anthony (35), McGleish (14), Reece (0) , Clough (0), Cronin (1), Boateng (0). This left 18 players at the club.
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On 29 May, Cheltenham released THREE players with another being put on the free transfer list. They were; Low (25), Smikle (3), Lewis (1) and Andrew (10). This leaves a squad size of 15.
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The released lists do not differentiate between scholars and first teams players. I have also added () to show you how many appearances they made for the clubs last season, so this helps you understand why they may have been released.
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I will continue with a few more later. Are you going to meet me half-way and start from the the bottom (i.e. Wimbledon, Torquay etc)?

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

Thanks for the response Aleximo.
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I too, believe he had already decided he was going in January. That's when the club offered him the new deal and according to PP, it was declined.
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Now recently, the club announced that the same contract was still on the table. There was no mention of it being increased and we keep mentioning that it was 'competitive'. Obviously not competitive enough to stop Syers looking at options elsewhere.
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Personally, I think he will be a big loss to City and a huge gain for Donnie. I can see him making a similar, if not bigger impact, than Furman and Law when they moved on.
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In relation to Syers' replacement, I wish PP lots of luck. I just think he will find it very difficult to replace an 'average League2 player' with better on just a 'competitive' contract.

That's ok pal. It seems to me that there is a lot of bluff calling going on between club and players. I think somewhere along the line that Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money. In the meantime his agent was speaking with other clubs and at the same time, Parky had someone in mind to replace him if he walked. We all know one player doesn't make a team. To win promotion you need a squad of players ALL chipping in and doing their bit for the cause. I believe parky wanted him as a squad player along with Jones and still had someone else in mind to join up. Obviously Syers must have thought he was automatically 1st choice. Of course he was offered more money at a higher level of football and grabbed it with both hands. We will see now in the very near future which player replaces him.

Still not sure I agree with you on the 'bluff calling' or that 'Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money'.
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According to PP in May, he KNEW Syers wasn't going to sign the contract back in January, but still hoped he would change his mind. Syers' contract didn't expire until 1 July, so PP would have been hoping nobody else came in for him, offering him more.
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That has clearly back-fired and Syers has now joined Donnie. Personally, for what it is worth, I don't think Syers should have been first choice. For me, Jones is the best all-round midfielder at the club and Ravenhill the best defensively. Syers was clearly the better attacker out of those and that's why I would look to bring him off the bench. Perhaps that's what PP thought too and Syers didn't agree. Either way, to be picked behind Bully as an attacking player must have been gut-wrenching for the player and only heeded his desperation to find another club.

One thing we can agree on is the club failed to keep hold of a potentially good player because their valuation and contract offer wasn’t good enough.

We spoke with someone very close to Syers at Northampton. Allegedly, the budget for midfield players was spent on Ravenhill and Jones. This left very little in the pot for Syers contract, thus the offer based on his injury!!! IMO the club tried to get him on the cheap and failed. I don’t think the club expected any competition for his signature. From what was said to us, Syers just wanted to play football. If the offer had been better he would not have looked elsewhere.

Luke O’Brian, Dave Syers and Luke Oliver, what do they have in common, all players of the year. All but the later have had their spirits dashed by the Manager, and subsequently left the club. A Manager who failed to fully utilise and bring the best out of them.

I am very disappointed by this news. I don’t want to sound too negative. But, so far I have nothing to get excited about for next season. Just looks like another dyer negative season.


Dear PP
Please stop the lame excuses and provide the loyal City fans with something to be proud of. Provide us with an attacking team and ditch your boring negative tactics.

appreciate some of these are leaving but I count 12 of last year's squad still here - Jmc, duke, Ramsden, oliver, branston, Davies (last year's player) Reid, ravenhill, Jones, Hanson, wells, Hannah, agreed some of these may leave - but we were without a winger and a left back all season so no change there. Just don't think it's as nuclear as you imply.

Cityman23 wrote:
Forecast for the Euro Finals:

(Wearing my 'Crystal' Bal(l)briggran FC hat!!):

1/4 Finals:

Russia v Holland
Germany v Poland
France v Italy
Spain v England

Semis:
Russia v Spain
Germany v Italy

Final:
Spain v Germany

Winner: Germany

Russia out!!!!!!!
Poland out!!!!!!

i think I'll leave 'predicting' to others..from now on!!

Just a thought but when city were freezing out players last season and informing others that they were no longer required surely we would have been sounding out replacements? thats plenty of time to 'mull' over things but where are there.

The season was dismissed as one of rebulding but it appears more like destruction at present. Only two signings? We are well short of having a squad and rhodes (and many of ours in recent seasons) hopes of having our own players and less loans is looking extremely doubtful at present. Only 9 players thus we need at least that amount again so alot of work to do.

Sorry optimists but that would also equate to alot of money IF Parky is true about us bringing in quality over quantity. The way i see it at present we may probably hopefully get in perhaps another 4 decent signings and then fill the squad with atkinson types (help). Seriously based on some of pp's later loan signings i'm not expecting a huge improvement. Thats our current reality based on fact not hopeful signings and hearsay.

Davies is a great player at this level but he played alot of games last season and we were poor. Will Mcardle make that much of an improvement? Indeed the loss of Syers to me is a backwards step. Still plenty of time but i would have though and am hoping that plans have been in place and targets sounded out during last years so called re-build or it wasn;t really a re-build afterall but another case of short-term panic......bit like me at mo untill we get some players in :-)

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

Thanks for the response Aleximo.
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I too, believe he had already decided he was going in January. That's when the club offered him the new deal and according to PP, it was declined.
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Now recently, the club announced that the same contract was still on the table. There was no mention of it being increased and we keep mentioning that it was 'competitive'. Obviously not competitive enough to stop Syers looking at options elsewhere.
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Personally, I think he will be a big loss to City and a huge gain for Donnie. I can see him making a similar, if not bigger impact, than Furman and Law when they moved on.
.
In relation to Syers' replacement, I wish PP lots of luck. I just think he will find it very difficult to replace an 'average League2 player' with better on just a 'competitive' contract.

That's ok pal. It seems to me that there is a lot of bluff calling going on between club and players. I think somewhere along the line that Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money. In the meantime his agent was speaking with other clubs and at the same time, Parky had someone in mind to replace him if he walked. We all know one player doesn't make a team. To win promotion you need a squad of players ALL chipping in and doing their bit for the cause. I believe parky wanted him as a squad player along with Jones and still had someone else in mind to join up. Obviously Syers must have thought he was automatically 1st choice. Of course he was offered more money at a higher level of football and grabbed it with both hands. We will see now in the very near future which player replaces him.

Still not sure I agree with you on the 'bluff calling' or that 'Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money'.
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According to PP in May, he KNEW Syers wasn't going to sign the contract back in January, but still hoped he would change his mind. Syers' contract didn't expire until 1 July, so PP would have been hoping nobody else came in for him, offering him more.
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That has clearly back-fired and Syers has now joined Donnie. Personally, for what it is worth, I don't think Syers should have been first choice. For me, Jones is the best all-round midfielder at the club and Ravenhill the best defensively. Syers was clearly the better attacker out of those and that's why I would look to bring him off the bench. Perhaps that's what PP thought too and Syers didn't agree. Either way, to be picked behind Bully as an attacking player must have been gut-wrenching for the player and only heeded his desperation to find another club.

i'll add though that it was stated at some stage that Syers was on the bench precisely because he had turned down the first contract offer. The intimation was that this came from above. I remember a Lawn radio interview whereby this was pretty much confirmed. Another reason why Syers, and many other players would want to move on. Security is paramount for the players in the lower leagues these days with so many out of contract and competitive wages. Also agree about the Bully example although this may have been tied into what i say above.

Anyone questioning if there is 'interference' may want to keep in mind how Jones, who is now suddenly firmly in Parky's plans was not even on the bench towards the end of last season. We saw similar stuff the season before with the right back. Then there's the total freezing out of players deemed not good enough and surplus to requirements less than a dozen games into the season. One's Parky had barely seen play. Just because its not quoted in the t and a, which of course it never would, does not mean that stuff goes on and thus we will always have rumour, conjecture and hearsay.

Syers and Compton are two creative attacking players i would personally have liked to see in a city shirt next season and indeed alot more in the last one. Sadly thats not to be. We need to be positive and cross our fingers that plans are afoot to get players in that both the chairmen and manager want and see able to achieve our aims.

At present like waynus i feel that we are asking alot to bring in so many players rather than build year on year....

with 18 players to be announced for each game now city are going to struggle at that.

Rhodes has said there will be no more loans so at present we could just about put a team together by playing four centre halves still on the books (Oliver not included as he has not yet agreed to stay or Ramsden for the same reason). Two of those centre halves have also been told they can leave so that situation may worsen.

We three midfield players in Ravenhill, Jones and Reid with three forwards being Hanson. Wells and Baker.

How many loan players are we allowed at any one time.

Interestingly PP has said we will play football to "excite the fans". I am not certain how he is going to achieve that if the budget cannot stretch a few hundred quid a week to keep the likes of Syers.

The other issue is that PP has ,apparently, a stubborn streak regarding certain players and certain systems. The freezing out of he Scottish lads, the freezing out of syers and maybe others (Branston and Williams) to name but two and his reluctance to change a policy of getting 1-0 away defeats toward the end of the season when, to my mind, had more open those games could have been won or at least drawn

If you were at City would you want to get away. If you weren't at City would you want to come?

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

Thanks for the response Aleximo.
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I too, believe he had already decided he was going in January. That's when the club offered him the new deal and according to PP, it was declined.
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Now recently, the club announced that the same contract was still on the table. There was no mention of it being increased and we keep mentioning that it was 'competitive'. Obviously not competitive enough to stop Syers looking at options elsewhere.
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Personally, I think he will be a big loss to City and a huge gain for Donnie. I can see him making a similar, if not bigger impact, than Furman and Law when they moved on.
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In relation to Syers' replacement, I wish PP lots of luck. I just think he will find it very difficult to replace an 'average League2 player' with better on just a 'competitive' contract.

That's ok pal. It seems to me that there is a lot of bluff calling going on between club and players. I think somewhere along the line that Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money. In the meantime his agent was speaking with other clubs and at the same time, Parky had someone in mind to replace him if he walked. We all know one player doesn't make a team. To win promotion you need a squad of players ALL chipping in and doing their bit for the cause. I believe parky wanted him as a squad player along with Jones and still had someone else in mind to join up. Obviously Syers must have thought he was automatically 1st choice. Of course he was offered more money at a higher level of football and grabbed it with both hands. We will see now in the very near future which player replaces him.

Still not sure I agree with you on the 'bluff calling' or that 'Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money'.
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According to PP in May, he KNEW Syers wasn't going to sign the contract back in January, but still hoped he would change his mind. Syers' contract didn't expire until 1 July, so PP would have been hoping nobody else came in for him, offering him more.
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That has clearly back-fired and Syers has now joined Donnie. Personally, for what it is worth, I don't think Syers should have been first choice. For me, Jones is the best all-round midfielder at the club and Ravenhill the best defensively. Syers was clearly the better attacker out of those and that's why I would look to bring him off the bench. Perhaps that's what PP thought too and Syers didn't agree. Either way, to be picked behind Bully as an attacking player must have been gut-wrenching for the player and only heeded his desperation to find another club.

i'll add though that it was stated at some stage that Syers was on the bench precisely because he had turned down the first contract offer. The intimation was that this came from above. I remember a Lawn radio interview whereby this was pretty much confirmed. Another reason why Syers, and many other players would want to move on. Security is paramount for the players in the lower leagues these days with so many out of contract and competitive wages. Also agree about the Bully example although this may have been tied into what i say above.

Anyone questioning if there is 'interference' may want to keep in mind how Jones, who is now suddenly firmly in Parky's plans was not even on the bench towards the end of last season. We saw similar stuff the season before with the right back. Then there's the total freezing out of players deemed not good enough and surplus to requirements less than a dozen games into the season. One's Parky had barely seen play. Just because its not quoted in the t and a, which of course it never would, does not mean that stuff goes on and thus we will always have rumour, conjecture and hearsay.

Syers and Compton are two creative attacking players i would personally have liked to see in a city shirt next season and indeed alot more in the last one. Sadly thats not to be. We need to be positive and cross our fingers that plans are afoot to get players in that both the chairmen and manager want and see able to achieve our aims.

At present like waynus i feel that we are asking alot to bring in so many players rather than build year on year....

Dann, a very well constructed post and some very good points.
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Your comment about Syers being frozen out and the subsequent 'intimation' that followed, may be true. However, you more than most, will know that I could never post such a comment without proof. I have already been accused (above) of saying things and twisting words. Can you imagine the stick I would have got, had I posted what you have done, without proof? And that isn't even including Lonnie, LOL.

Oliver's shinpad wrote:
appreciate some of these are leaving but I count 12 of last year's squad still here - Jmc, duke, Ramsden, oliver, branston, Davies (last year's player) Reid, ravenhill, Jones, Hanson, wells, Hannah, agreed some of these may leave - but we were without a winger and a left back all season so no change there. Just don't think it's as nuclear as you imply.

In the interests of being fair, I will add a few more names to your list of players still contracted to City;
Williams, Stewart, Brown and Baker. Now that increases your list to 16.
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However, Williams, Stewart and Branston have been told to find other clubs (and Duke too, if rumours are to be believed). Ramsden and Oliver have yet to sign (and look increasingly unlikely to do so the longer it goes unsigned). We have added McArdle to the players left, leaving us with a current squad of 11 players, two of which are kids and have never started a senior game before. No manager in the World could name a starting XI from that lot.
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No, we didn't have a natural right-winger or left-back all season. We finished a few places from being relegated. What's your point!!!! Surely we need to be improving the squad. Since the early release of some players at the end of April, (almost 2 months ago), we have added just 1 player from last season's squad (2 if you include Davies as a permanent member) and lost another player in Syers.
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I do not understand why some do not see this as a grim situation. The boys are back in for pre-season in a couple of weeks. At present there isn't even enough of them to play a game of 5 a-side...! And instead of new players arriving, we are actually losing more. Syers this week, Oliver and Ramsden next?

Syers would have been first name on my City Team sheet. He wasn't happy with Jackson not playing him enough -neither was I and I criticised Jacko for it- and he wasn't happy not getting game time under Parkinson -and neither was I and again I criticised the manager for it.

Both managers gave their reason in the T&A for not playing him and I found both their reasons -imo- to not hold water. Whether Syers does well at Donny or not is irrelevant as far as I am concerned -although I wish the lad the very best and I expect him to be a favourite of the fans and manager- the fact is he WAS very effective for Bradford City! I don't blame him for wanting to play in the highest league he is offered to play in, I don't blame him for leaving a Club where managers can't appreciate how effective he is compared to those around him. If we can get a more effective midfield player than Dave Syers, for the same investment we were limiting ourselves to in 'trying' to keep Dave Syers, I will be astonished. If it simply came down to Syers wanting to play higher league football then the Club and PP won't have had any power to agree and the issue then becomes a different argument. However, regardless of what the true reasons are, we still didn't get the maximum benefit available from Syers due to poor selection mistakes and it will take me a long time to forget those 'mistakes' of Jackson and PP in not playing Syers in midfield when they had the opportunity.

Waynus1971 wrote:

Oliver's shinpad wrote: appreciate some of these are leaving but I count 12 of last year's squad still here - Jmc, duke, Ramsden, oliver, branston, Davies (last year's player) Reid, ravenhill, Jones, Hanson, wells, Hannah, agreed some of these may leave - but we were without a winger and a left back all season so no change there. Just don't think it's as nuclear as you imply.

In the interests of being fair, I will add a few more names to your list of players still contracted to City; Williams, Stewart, Brown and Baker. Now that increases your list to 16. . However, Williams, Stewart and Branston have been told to find other clubs (and Duke too, if rumours are to be believed). Ramsden and Oliver have yet to sign (and look increasingly unlikely to do so the longer it goes unsigned). We have added McArdle to the players left, leaving us with a current squad of 11 players, two of which are kids and have never started a senior game before. No manager in the World could name a starting XI from that lot. . No, we didn't have a natural right-winger or left-back all season. We finished a few places from being relegated. What's your point!!!! Surely we need to be improving the squad. Since the early release of some players at the end of April, (almost 2 months ago), we have added just 1 player from last season's squad (2 if you include Davies as a permanent member) and lost another player in Syers. . I do not understand why some do not see this as a grim situation. The boys are back in for pre-season in a couple of weeks. At present there isn't even enough of them to play a game of 5 a-side...! And instead of new players arriving, we are actually losing more. Syers this week, Oliver and Ramsden next?

I don't understand the left back problem...did we not have 3 to choose from at one point last season (Threlfall, OB and Taylor) yet Parky still chose to use the right footed Marcel Siep? Up until getting injured Threlfall had been reasonably consistant, but then a couple of games back albeit not very good he joined the frozen out club.

Most fans shouldn't be fooled by the T&A's nonsense "promotion intent" headlines etc, theres a long way to go before we're any where near that sort of level, we have signed 2 CB's for crying out loud and let our only attacking threat from midfield go. Sometimes wonder who actually writes the headlines for the T&A.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Syers would have been first name on my City Team sheet. He wasn't happy with Jackson not playing him enough -neither was I and I criticised Jacko for it- and he wasn't happy not getting game time under Parkinson -and neither was I and again I criticised the manager for it. Both managers gave their reason in the T&A for not playing him and I found both their reasons -imo- to not hold water. Whether Syers does well at Donny or not is irrelevant as far as I am concerned -although I wish the lad the very best and I expect him to be a favourite of the fans and manager- the fact is he WAS very effective for Bradford City! I don't blame him for wanting to play in the highest league he is offered to play in, I don't blame him for leaving a Club where managers can't appreciate how effective he is compared to those around him. If we can get a more effective midfield player than Dave Syers, for the same investment we were limiting ourselves to in 'trying' to keep Dave Syers, I will be astonished. If it simply came down to Syers wanting to play higher league football then the Club and PP won't have had any power to agree and the issue then becomes a different argument. However, regardless of what the true reasons are, we still didn't get the maximum benefit available from Syers due to poor selection mistakes and it will take me a long time to forget those 'mistakes' of Jackson and PP in not playing Syers in midfield when they had the opportunity.

I think most people would share your views on that Lonnie, if he wasn't 1st on the teamsheet he certainly deserved the opportunities when they arose. Perfect example would be Cheltenham away when we are 3-1 down with 30mins to go and Bully is brought on instead to partner Ravenhill with DS left on the bench. To further add curiosity to that decision as well the blindingly obvious, Bully is released, but yet attempts are made (well apparently) to keep Syers at the club.

Alot of PPs decisions didn't hold water last season and some explanations given were downright insulting to (most) fans intelligence, which left alot of fans inc myself pretty disillusioned, unfortunatley this continues by allowing DS to leave with imo very little effort to persuade him to stay (actions speak louder than words) and also imo making him an injury based contract offer. Very disappointing. I just hope PP gets in suitable replacements because the way I look at it if we dont make a half decent start, playing more attractive football than the last then Parky will find himself under a lot of pressure. I'm more than willing to give him that chance especially with his own players but I'm not filled with optimism at this time, but will see how the next couple of weeks pan out. Who knows we may have some cracking signings on the way!

northyorksbantam wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Syers would have been first name on my City Team sheet. He wasn't happy with Jackson not playing him enough -neither was I and I criticised Jacko for it- and he wasn't happy not getting game time under Parkinson -and neither was I and again I criticised the manager for it. Both managers gave their reason in the T&A for not playing him and I found both their reasons -imo- to not hold water. Whether Syers does well at Donny or not is irrelevant as far as I am concerned -although I wish the lad the very best and I expect him to be a favourite of the fans and manager- the fact is he WAS very effective for Bradford City! I don't blame him for wanting to play in the highest league he is offered to play in, I don't blame him for leaving a Club where managers can't appreciate how effective he is compared to those around him. If we can get a more effective midfield player than Dave Syers, for the same investment we were limiting ourselves to in 'trying' to keep Dave Syers, I will be astonished. If it simply came down to Syers wanting to play higher league football then the Club and PP won't have had any power to agree and the issue then becomes a different argument. However, regardless of what the true reasons are, we still didn't get the maximum benefit available from Syers due to poor selection mistakes and it will take me a long time to forget those 'mistakes' of Jackson and PP in not playing Syers in midfield when they had the opportunity.

I think most people would share your views on that Lonnie, if he wasn't 1st on the teamsheet he certainly deserved the opportunities when they arose. Perfect example would be Cheltenham away when we are 3-1 down with 30mins to go and Bully is brought on instead to partner Ravenhill with DS left on the bench. To further add curiosity to that decision as well the blindingly obvious, Bully is released, but yet attempts are made (well apparently) to keep Syers at the club.

Alot of PPs decisions didn't hold water last season and some explanations given were downright insulting to (most) fans intelligence, which left alot of fans inc myself pretty disillusioned, unfortunatley this continues by allowing DS to leave with imo very little effort to persuade him to stay (actions speak louder than words) and also imo making him an injury based contract offer. Very disappointing. I just hope PP gets in suitable replacements because the way I look at it if we dont make a half decent start, playing more attractive football than the last then Parky will find himself under a lot of pressure. I'm more than willing to give him that chance especially with his own players but I'm not filled with optimism at this time, but will see how the next couple of weeks pan out. Who knows we may have some cracking signings on the way!

good post. I think it sums up what a lot of us feel. I was thinking, with one more addition we pretty much had our midfield sorted.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Syers would have been first name on my City Team sheet. He wasn't happy with Jackson not playing him enough -neither was I and I criticised Jacko for it- and he wasn't happy not getting game time under Parkinson -and neither was I and again I criticised the manager for it.

Both managers gave their reason in the T&A for not playing him and I found both their reasons -imo- to not hold water. Whether Syers does well at Donny or not is irrelevant as far as I am concerned -although I wish the lad the very best and I expect him to be a favourite of the fans and manager- the fact is he WAS very effective for Bradford City! I don't blame him for wanting to play in the highest league he is offered to play in, I don't blame him for leaving a Club where managers can't appreciate how effective he is compared to those around him. If we can get a more effective midfield player than Dave Syers, for the same investment we were limiting ourselves to in 'trying' to keep Dave Syers, I will be astonished. If it simply came down to Syers wanting to play higher league football then the Club and PP won't have had any power to agree and the issue then becomes a different argument. However, regardless of what the true reasons are, we still didn't get the maximum benefit available from Syers due to poor selection mistakes and it will take me a long time to forget those 'mistakes' of Jackson and PP in not playing Syers in midfield when they had the opportunity.

While I was disappointed at us not keeping hold of Syers, I still rate Jones as a better midfielder and the Ravenhill/Jones pairing most effective.

However, whilst many are commenting at the way Syers was frozen out at City, he was but one of a few who suffered the same treatment. I also recall the similar manner in which Zesh Rehman was treated under Peter Taylor.

I just wonder how much of a free rein our managers have in team selection?

dannbradfc wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:
The answer to the question Waynus asked me. Sorry m8 I can't give you a list of players out there better than Syers. I mentioned in one of my posts that He was offered a competetive contract in January and I belived then he had already decided he was off. According to Parky in this morning's report, was under the impression that Syers would sign. I don't know how much he was offered but for this level it must have been a fair one. What went on between Syers, his Agent and Donny must have changed his mind and decided to join Donny. After his departure I wished him the best of luck and stated, it's no great loss because there are better players out there without a club he could easily be replaced. In this mornings article Parky also stated he is looking to replace Syers with an even better player. What does that tell you? Syers wasn't exactly in his 1st team plans but as a squad player. Thats the impression I am getting. I get this impression that a fair few fans look at Syers as the be all and end all of the club. Waynus was not trying to twist my words he just simply asked me to name those players of which I couldn't, only one Bogdanovic(rumoured)

Thanks for the response Aleximo.
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I too, believe he had already decided he was going in January. That's when the club offered him the new deal and according to PP, it was declined.
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Now recently, the club announced that the same contract was still on the table. There was no mention of it being increased and we keep mentioning that it was 'competitive'. Obviously not competitive enough to stop Syers looking at options elsewhere.
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Personally, I think he will be a big loss to City and a huge gain for Donnie. I can see him making a similar, if not bigger impact, than Furman and Law when they moved on.
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In relation to Syers' replacement, I wish PP lots of luck. I just think he will find it very difficult to replace an 'average League2 player' with better on just a 'competitive' contract.

That's ok pal. It seems to me that there is a lot of bluff calling going on between club and players. I think somewhere along the line that Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money. In the meantime his agent was speaking with other clubs and at the same time, Parky had someone in mind to replace him if he walked. We all know one player doesn't make a team. To win promotion you need a squad of players ALL chipping in and doing their bit for the cause. I believe parky wanted him as a squad player along with Jones and still had someone else in mind to join up. Obviously Syers must have thought he was automatically 1st choice. Of course he was offered more money at a higher level of football and grabbed it with both hands. We will see now in the very near future which player replaces him.

Still not sure I agree with you on the 'bluff calling' or that 'Syers was trying to hold the club to ransom and try and get more money'.
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According to PP in May, he KNEW Syers wasn't going to sign the contract back in January, but still hoped he would change his mind. Syers' contract didn't expire until 1 July, so PP would have been hoping nobody else came in for him, offering him more.
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That has clearly back-fired and Syers has now joined Donnie. Personally, for what it is worth, I don't think Syers should have been first choice. For me, Jones is the best all-round midfielder at the club and Ravenhill the best defensively. Syers was clearly the better attacker out of those and that's why I would look to bring him off the bench. Perhaps that's what PP thought too and Syers didn't agree. Either way, to be picked behind Bully as an attacking player must have been gut-wrenching for the player and only heeded his desperation to find another club.

i'll add though that it was stated at some stage that Syers was on the bench precisely because he had turned down the first contract offer. The intimation was that this came from above. I remember a Lawn radio interview whereby this was pretty much confirmed. Another reason why Syers, and many other players would want to move on. Security is paramount for the players in the lower leagues these days with so many out of contract and competitive wages. Also agree about the Bully example although this may have been tied into what i say above.

Anyone questioning if there is 'interference' may want to keep in mind how Jones, who is now suddenly firmly in Parky's plans was not even on the bench towards the end of last season. We saw similar stuff the season before with the right back. Then there's the total freezing out of players deemed not good enough and surplus to requirements less than a dozen games into the season. One's Parky had barely seen play. Just because its not quoted in the t and a, which of course it never would, does not mean that stuff goes on and thus we will always have rumour, conjecture and hearsay.

Syers and Compton are two creative attacking players i would personally have liked to see in a city shirt next season and indeed alot more in the last one. Sadly thats not to be. We need to be positive and cross our fingers that plans are afoot to get players in that both the chairmen and manager want and see able to achieve our aims.

At present like waynus i feel that we are asking alot to bring in so many players rather than build year on year....

Dann, a very well constructed post and some very good points.
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Your comment about Syers being frozen out and the subsequent 'intimation' that followed, may be true. However, you more than most, will know that I could never post such a comment without proof. I have already been accused (above) of saying things and twisting words. Can you imagine the stick I would have got, had I posted what you have done, without proof? And that isn't even including Lonnie, LOL.

Waynus1971 wrote:

Oliver's shinpad wrote:
appreciate some of these are leaving but I count 12 of last year's squad still here - Jmc, duke, Ramsden, oliver, branston, Davies (last year's player) Reid, ravenhill, Jones, Hanson, wells, Hannah, agreed some of these may leave - but we were without a winger and a left back all season so no change there. Just don't think it's as nuclear as you imply.

In the interests of being fair, I will add a few more names to your list of players still contracted to City;
Williams, Stewart, Brown and Baker. Now that increases your list to 16.
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However, Williams, Stewart and Branston have been told to find other clubs (and Duke too, if rumours are to be believed). Ramsden and Oliver have yet to sign (and look increasingly unlikely to do so the longer it goes unsigned). We have added McArdle to the players left, leaving us with a current squad of 11 players, two of which are kids and have never started a senior game before. No manager in the World could name a starting XI from that lot.
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No, we didn't have a natural right-winger or left-back all season. We finished a few places from being relegated. What's your point!!!! Surely we need to be improving the squad. Since the early release of some players at the end of April, (almost 2 months ago), we have added just 1 player from last season's squad (2 if you include Davies as a permanent member) and lost another player in Syers.
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I do not understand why some do not see this as a grim situation. The boys are back in for pre-season in a couple of weeks. At present there isn't even enough of them to play a game of 5 a-side...! And instead of new players arriving, we are actually losing more. Syers this week, Oliver and Ramsden next?

Perhaps people don't think it's time to panic just yet? In view of it being nearly 2 months before the season starts there's a startling amount of time left to get our ducks in a row. I know people love to come on here and claim the sky is falling in (although I've never understood why, I presume its normally some sort of cathartic outburst) but even by our fans' standards of perenial pessemism this panic seems premature. If the situation is like this in a month's time then I'm right behind you, but at present its way to early to freak out.

Quite an interesting article from BBC Sheffield from back in April considering the Syers move:

Doncaster Rovers boss Dean Saunders has revealed his playing budget for next season has been heavily cut after their relegation to League One.

Rovers have just 12 players contracted for the 2012-13 campaign but Saunders says unless deals are re-negotiated even that puts him over his limit.

"We're way over the budget with the 12 players we do have," Saunders told BBC Radio Sheffield.

"Just those players put us £1m over, something has got to give."

He added: "To get the budget down that means players leaving but then that means having to sign even more players.

"It's hard to sign 15 or 16 players in one go and expect them all to gel but it's been done.

"I've been in this situation before, I know what's expected and I know what to do. It's going to be tough but fingers crossed things turn out right."

Reading parkies quote when he says the he was probably goin to sign sums it up for me. If there was any doubt we should have been askin questions for me probably wud suggest they were looking for other deals. Probably also shows pp did not really want him and for me this is another error by pp. A little worried how many more mistakes he is goin to make in his reign. There r rumour taiwo is to replace syers he has only scored 7 goals in his career! We are goin to lack goals from midfield again!

i miss stallard & murray wrote:
Reading parkies quote when he says the he was probably goin to sign sums it up for me. If there was any doubt we should have been askin questions for me probably wud suggest they were looking for other deals. Probably also shows pp did not really want him and for me this is another error by pp. A little worried how many more mistakes he is goin to make in his reign. There r rumour taiwo is to replace syers he has only scored 7 goals in his career! We are goin to lack goals from midfield again!

Why is it Parky's fault? He had kept going back to him and asking him to sign on a number of occasions. That shows he wanted him in his squad. Syers was asked in january to re-sign and he didn't and we all know that he had made up his mind up there and then that he was leaving. What is wrong with everyone? I believe that Parky is the right man to take us out of this league. He wanted Syers to be part of his 22 man promotion challenging SQUAD. Yes, a SQUAD makes a team not just 11 players. Syers left because he wants REGULAR 1st team football as well as more money. We shall now see how many games he plays for Donny. Let's forget Syers, he has now gone and he is history.

Alex, we don't know that. We know what we are allowed to know. The light the quotes Lonnie has posted shines on this whole thing once again brings our club and our efforts to keep DS into question. A club that is having to slash it's playing budget is able to attract one of our players yet we cannot offer as much to keep him??? This to me indicates that DS has moved on for playing reasons alone, not money, not greed but a want and a will to play football, something he knew he was unlikely to get more than a bit part of at City.

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote: Reading parkies quote when he says the he was probably goin to sign sums it up for me. If there was any doubt we should have been askin questions for me probably wud suggest they were looking for other deals. Probably also shows pp did not really want him and for me this is another error by pp. A little worried how many more mistakes he is goin to make in his reign. There r rumour taiwo is to replace syers he has only scored 7 goals in his career! We are goin to lack goals from midfield again!

Why is it Parky's fault? He had kept going back to him and asking him to sign on a number of occasions. That shows he wanted him in his squad. Syers was asked in january to re-sign and he didn't and we all know that he had made up his mind up there and then that he was leaving. What is wrong with everyone? I believe that Parky is the right man to take us out of this league. He wanted Syers to be part of his 22 man promotion challenging SQUAD. Yes, a SQUAD makes a team not just 11 players. Syers left because he wants REGULAR 1st team football as well as more money. We shall now see how many games he plays for Donny. Let's forget Syers, he has now gone and he is history.

I feel that PP did not rate DS. I feel that PP would prefer to play 2 x defensive CM.
The word probably suggests to me that PP was not fussed if DS stayed and did nothing to prove to DS that he wanted him as part of his squad.
Taking this into account (I know i am reading into this) I feel that it is a bad decision. I am not a fan of PP and this is based on other decisions he has made, such as playing bully over DS, letting compton go - when the team was starting to gel, bringing Reed in to play Jones Right Mid, playing dagnel over Wells, the list goes on.
I am adding the decision to not make DS feel wanted as another error.
If DS had of been happy and felt appreciated would he have looked for another contract? possibly if he wanted to better himself but it may have been a harder decision to make (he says himself he was sold straight away by Dean Saunders). So I feel this is a loss for us and i am struggling to see how he can replace him. My opinion and I really hope that PP proves me wrong, if he does i will be the first to admit i was wrong, but i am not sure that we are going to improve this coming season.

ALEXIMO.56. wrote:

i miss stallard & murray wrote: Reading parkies quote when he says the he was probably goin to sign sums it up for me. If there was any doubt we should have been askin questions for me probably wud suggest they were looking for other deals. Probably also shows pp did not really want him and for me this is another error by pp. A little worried how many more mistakes he is goin to make in his reign. There r rumour taiwo is to replace syers he has only scored 7 goals in his career! We are goin to lack goals from midfield again!

Why is it Parky's fault? He had kept going back to him and asking him to sign on a number of occasions. That shows he wanted him in his squad. Syers was asked in january to re-sign and he didn't and we all know that he had made up his mind up there and then that he was leaving. What is wrong with everyone? I believe that Parky is the right man to take us out of this league. He wanted Syers to be part of his 22 man promotion challenging SQUAD. Yes, a SQUAD makes a team not just 11 players. Syers left because he wants REGULAR 1st team football as well as more money. We shall now see how many games he plays for Donny. Let's forget Syers, he has now gone and he is history.

Firstly, my ol' sparring partner, Phil Parkinson said in a radio interview (I believe with Pulse, but may have been Leeds), that "Syers refused a sign a new contract back in January and that is the end of that one". It was only afterwards that he changed this tact and said the door remained open and the contract is still on the table.
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The fact is, you don't know what size of contract was offered and whether that was a fundamental reason for him leaving. However, what I would stake money on is that had we offered him a worthy contract in January, Dave Syers would not be leaving.
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You state this has nothing to do with PP, but I can't believe the manager has NO input. Furthermore, having turned down that initial contract, PP made it clear he would not play him again until he signed. This explains why he brought on Bully when chasing a game, despite a fit Dave Syers being on the bench. WOULD YOU STAY IF YOU WERE BEING TREATED LIKE THAT????
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You say, "I believe that Parky is the right man to take us out of this league". The question is, in which direction????? I have heard all the noises about PP being the right man for the job, but I have yet to see where this blind faith comes from. He disassembled Jacko's squad without many being given a chance to prove themselves, brought in loanee after loanee, without improving results and so far has captured just one 'beacon' in Davies. Let's see the other players arrive before we talk of top7 finishes and PP being the right man for the job.
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Just to clarify, because I know you try twisting words (p.s. where is my apology for our earlier spats?), I don't want PP sacked and I'm not saying PP is not the right man for the job. I hope he has some good luck with his transfer targets and that that helps us kick on (but I'm not holding my breath)...!