Flynn upset but not bitter at Bradford City exit (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Thank you for your committed and unwavering effort and service during your time at VP Michael. You are a true professional and I am very sorry to see you go. A lot of these jumped up, 'bling' footballers in the Premier League could learn a hell of a lot from you in the loyalty stakes. Good luck wherever you are playing next season.

All the best to Flynny. The stand out player for the last two seasons in terms of pride in wearing the shirt. He will be a big loss and all City fans should wish him the best for the future. Never gave less than 100% for our club and thats a rare commodity these days. Good luck Flynny.

Thanks for all your efforts, its a shame to see you go but like you said that's football. I'm sure you will find another club and i wish you every success with them, but not at our expense i hope.

A strange season we have all had at city and i for one can't wait to put it too bed. I don't even have the enthusiasm to purchase my season ticket at the moment and seem more and more likely to buy a 50-50 then if i still feel like this come August i haven't really lost a lot. Shouldn't be like this should it.

Thank you Flynny, for your contribution to Bradford city and it's a shame illness and injury got in the way. A true professional who always gave 100%. Good luck for the future and I hope you find another club quickly and whichever club signs you, they will benefit greatly from your vast experience and true professionalism.

all the very best flynny for the future and hope you do get to play in the higher level you wish to play.thanks for all your commitment to city but this yr just hasnt worked out for you .all the best

Any player who gives 100% will earn the respect from the fans and Flynny is certainly one of those.
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Good luck to him in the future and hope he gets himself fixed up.

Good luck flynny a loyal player and I am sure should you ever return to VP you will be roundly appluaded by the city faithful.

I think it was short sighted of the Club not to have offered Flynny the option to coach and remain a 'squad' player. It's another example of a failure to use experience and knowledge of players attitudes, strengths, weaknesses and abilities from a 'coal face' perspective. Flynny knows and understands the 'culture' at City and with his 100% commitment to the cause he should have been found a place. An intelligent bloke with a future in Management IMO. Another case of 'throwing the baby out with the bathwater' as far as I'm concerned. Players need time to come back from illnesses and injuries and if anyone earned the right to be given that time to get back up to speed it was Flynny.

All the best matey, you were one of the few players over recent years I had a lot of respect and time for.

Good servant to City in a time when loyalty isn't so prevellant.

Thank you for your commitment to the cause and to the club, always a very true and honest professional, and before your illness you were a very good player for us, clearly you were knocked sideways by it. Hopefully after a summer rest you will be able to be back to your best and playing regularly, but as macc1969 said, not at our expense please!

All the best.

CTID

All the best to Flynny, another player who gave 100% to then be shown the door. An excellent professional who gave everything he could to the club, who also calmed the murky waters on that infamous evening.

Didn’t think he was any good on the wing though?

Isn’t there a pattern at this club? Players fall out of favour, is it because of money, personality? They end up on the bench or played out of position then out the door?

Farsley XI wrote:
All the best to Flynny, another player who gave 100% to then be shown the door. An excellent professional who gave everything he could to the club, who also calmed the murky waters on that infamous evening.

Didn’t think he was any good on the wing though?

Isn’t there a pattern at this club? Players fall out of favour, is it because of money, personality? They end up on the bench or played out of position then out the door?

It's a shame that there are so many so-called City fans on here who want to take any opportunity to muddy the waters with claims of intrigue and rumour - the club/PP/ML are always doing dark deeds.

Rather than try to introduce more mystery, let's just acknowledge that Flynn was a very good player for us with massive heart, commitment and loyalty to his club. I would like to applaud him for that and thank him for all he has done when many others over this period have had no pride and just collected their not hard-earned wages, Well done, Michael.

The point is, he is one of the highest earners and City simply cannot afford him as well as Jones, Ravenhill and (hopefully) Syers. It is going to become even harder to keep experienced players and also bring new ones in if there is no money to do so when so many people are threatening not to renew their season tickets - where do you think the money will come from?

Everybody seems to be applauding Michael Flynn's loyalty but let's look at our own, too. If people do not buy tickets - and it is their right not to - then do not be surprised if the club gets into financial problems and does not have the resources to eventually build a team that we can be proud of.

Best of luck indeed. It was noticeable at Gillingham how well respected he has been everywhere he has played; i don't think many players get the sort of reception that Flynny got that day from the Gills fans.

Best wishes Michael, you have shown respect to the fans, and always given 100% whilst on the pitch. That is all any supporter can ever ask of a player wearing the City colours. As mentioned previously, I think he would have made a great addition to our coach staff, but I recall he was looking to become a news reporter ??

I hope our club is looking to find some suitable replacements for these players being shown the door. I, like many others, have not yet signed up for 12/13, and for the first time in 30 years - I'm questioning whether I want to bother with VP anymore. Hopefully there will be some positive headlines within the next 4 weeks that will change my mind.

GOOD LUCK TO YOU I AM SURE YOU STILL HAVE A LOT TO OFFER YOU ARE ONLY 31 A WILL DO A GREAT JOB FOR SOME CLUB FOR A FEW YEARS YET BEST WISHES LAWSONIO

I am a so–called City fan who has supported the club through all divisions (considerably more times in the lower divisions). I played football for Bradford City travel club in the early seventies and followed the club ever since. Pulled people out of the stand on the day of the fire.

I am hugely disappointed with the dross I have to endure each week and the poor negative tactics.
I am disappointed with the lame excuses by a manager who openly blames his players not his poor decisions. I am disgusted in the treatment of some players.

If my passion for the club is in question and if this makes me a ‘so-called supporter’ so be it.


I am happy to watch ENTERTAINING football, even if we get beat by a better team or an excellent goal.


At this moment in time I am keeping hold of my season ticket money until I have some confidence in what the club is doing. I have missed a handful of games in last thirty + years. But, this season I may just pick the odd game.


Michael Flynn was an excellent player for this club. Michael Flynn should have been allowed to wave his goodbyes to the supporters this weekend and receive the plaudits he deserves.

In the long list of players I've seen come/go at City, Michael Flynn was one of those who gave his best and also showed real qualities of commitment/leadershi
p. Okay, he wasn't the 'most' skilled player to have worn the claret/amber but he had dignity and never let himself or the club down. Well done 'Flynnie' for showing 'dignity' at THIS time, when some would 'let rip' with their frustrations/bittern
ess at being 'shipped out' (which crudely put, is what it boils down to!!)

Good luck in the future, 'MF'!!

Good luck Michael. Thanks for all your efforts for City. Wish you all the best wherever you go.

Each football club has a broad range of fans, some are young and just like to watch an exciting game of football and then go to the park to imitate them, while others like to really analyse the team, its formation and the management. Some, while seemingly only wanting to criticise everything the club does, struggle to comprehend how much is involved in running a business and react poorly to negative news but do so out of 110% caring for the club and this cannot be knocked. Every man, woman and child has the right to go to a match and have their say, just as much as each has a right not to attend. Football isn't a religion it is an entertainment business that is viewed as a religion so people should not be lambasted for not renewing season tickets. There are no so-called supporters just different interpretations of support. In general fanatical or passionate.

Well said Missed the bus, I have yet to decide what option I am to take but I am worried that if I don't renew my season ticket then a contract will be put on my head or I will be run out of the city and put into stocks, or even worse being branded a so-called supporter!! If PP wasn't in the hotseat I am sure I would stump up the cash to renew but I find it really hard to comprehend a 100 mile round journey to watch his style of footy. He makes Doherty look like Guardiola. Remember Chairmen don't have any qualifications on choosing managers, it is just pot luck whether they are successful, but surely it doesn't take long to work out that they have made a mistake. P.S All you PP believers keep on believing!! I hope you get the chance to prove me wrong. Criticise away.

TOP BLOKE!!....We have missed a trick here.....How can you let a person like this walk away from the club...Surely a "Coaching role"???.
When will we EVER get any GOOD news out of Valley Parade??.
All the best "Flynny"!!.

Aye - all the best Flynny.

Always what I would call a proper City player. Maybe not he most gifted but a real grafter.

I can understand the decision though, his performances this time haven't been up to the standard we've come to expect. I know there are a lot of good reasons why that has been the case but on his money and at his age it's too big a risk that he might never get back to his best.

As a few have said before me. I hope or him that he does, just not against us!

Upset to see a player like Flynny leaving us - A 100% man from the start, and from what I've seen a great influence in the dressing room / fellow team mates. I agree with the people saying we've missed a trick. As Flynny has said himself, he was just getting back to his best when this virus hit him. I hope to God this isn't another decision that we end up ruing next season. prmotion is teh aim and nothing less will be acceptable.

Im glad the club didnt keep Flynn as I mentioned on another thread but he did deserve a send off at the last home game afterall how much more would it cost us to keep him for 1 more week to say a proper goodbye?

Hope he goes to a team in a higher division so we wont have to play against him but im glad he managed one last say in the t + a.

I wouldnt expect Fagan to do the same and thank the fans or anyone else at the club unlike flynn which goes to show what a classy guy Michael Flynn is

Should have at least been allowed a send off at VP. All the best Flynny wherever you go

Just can not work out why he wasn't allowed to finish the season. I presume City have paid his contract up to the end so why not allow him to be there, even if not on the pitch during the game.

It is just another way to end the season on a low point.

Good luck Flynny.

Thanks Flynny. A great servant of the club. Your goal against the scummers will live long in the memory.

What is worrying me at the moment is the positive posters are even saying that they aren't willing to buy a season ticket. Prisoner Cell Block is a reasoned poster but even he is sick of Parkys decisions-re Atkinson as an example.

I have to say for the first time in many, many years I can't be bothered to renew mine whilst PP in charge. Offering contracts to Atkinson, Rammers and Bully (no offence to Bully only), does not fill me with a shred of confidence.

The handling of the Williams, Stewart and Syers situation was dire, regardless of your view of the player.

I despise myself for saying it, but I've had enough. At this very moment in time I need a summer away from it all. I hope absence repairs how I feel right now.

A very dignified farewell from Flynny. I can see why the club has let him go, given the options in midfield and him being one of the higher earners.

Nevertheless, it's refreshing to hear his feelings for the club and he's assured of a warm welcome if comes back to play against us.

Very best wishes for the future.

Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi
p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi

p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach.

Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to".

It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis.

Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we:

a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or,

b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy.

I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

A very good point Pablo (I may have just choked a little). On a purely financial point though, getting rid of PP when he has 12 months left on his contract may neutralise any additional season ticket sales that YOU think it would bring. i.e. there is no benefit financially in sacking PP. Don't know how much it would cost exactly but would surely be a few thousand season tickets.

I would however suggest that it is only a few posters saying that they won't renew with PP in charge not MOST as you state.

Perhaps it is not PP that people are fed up with anyway; it is just the realisation that we don't really have enough cash to be competitive next season...whoever our manager is! Whatever people think about PP; they forced Stuart out, then Taylor, then Jacko left and has it led to improvements...NO...
so why would swapping PP lead to better things.

I think I am the only person who thinks that Flynn hasn't just been rubbish this season, but the whole 3 years he's been here.

He has always had the desire but he has never had the skill, passing, strength etc. He had a good shot when it came off, but how many times did he score in 3 years? 14 times...not a very good return if you ask me.

We've let people like Furman and Law go who were excellent, and replaced them with poor players like Flynn and Doherty. Were gradually getting a better calibre of player back, but were still letting some of our best go eg. Moore,OB,Compton,Wil
liams along with promising impact players like Mitchell and Stewart.

Flynn has a premier league personality, but I'm afraid only a conference set of ball skills. Good luck Flynn.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

A very good point Pablo (I may have just choked a little). On a purely financial point though, getting rid of PP when he has 12 months left on his contract may neutralise any additional season ticket sales that YOU think it would bring. i.e. there is no benefit financially in sacking PP. Don't know how much it would cost exactly but would surely be a few thousand season tickets.

I would however suggest that it is only a few posters saying that they won't renew with PP in charge not MOST as you state.

Perhaps it is not PP that people are fed up with anyway; it is just the realisation that we don't really have enough cash to be competitive next season...whoever our manager is! Whatever people think about PP; they forced Stuart out, then Taylor, then Jacko left and has it led to improvements...NO...

so why would swapping PP lead to better things.

The revenue from 2000 season tickets is approximately £400,000. PP's contract has sixteen months to run so, if he is the stumbling block, it would make financial sense to replace him, leaving more than £250,000 surplus, I'd guess.

Smaller clubs with less revenue than us in this division, have had more successful campaigns in the last two seasons, so us not having enough cash to be competitive just doesn't wash.

Ignoring Jacko's little spell, the last two managers have been failures ( measured in terms of success or, more, importantly the lack of it!). I don't like chopping and changing managers just for the sake of it but we have a situation where the current man in charge hasn't improved our league position and is proving to be very unpopular with an increasing number of fans. Despite our differences, we share a loyalty towards our club and an unpoular manager that has not moved our club forward could threaten the financial viability of it, by causing a significant number of supporters not to renew their season tickets.

Danstarr69 wrote:
I think I am the only person who thinks that Flynn hasn't just been rubbish this season, but the whole 3 years he's been here.

He has always had the desire but he has never had the skill, passing, strength etc. He had a good shot when it came off, but how many times did he score in 3 years? 14 times...not a very good return if you ask me.

We've let people like Furman and Law go who were excellent, and replaced them with poor players like Flynn and Doherty. Were gradually getting a better calibre of player back, but were still letting some of our best go eg. Moore,OB,Compton,Wil

liams along with promising impact players like Mitchell and Stewart.

Flynn has a premier league personality, but I'm afraid only a conference set of ball skills. Good luck Flynn.

I think it may be just you Mr Gardecki. I do agree he has been poor since his first lengthy lay-off and his passing and shooting hasn't been there since, but he was very able beforehand.
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The one thing that most fans demand is a player that gives 100% for the club (irrespective of ability) and you can't knock Flynn for that.
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A model pro and a great ambassador for the club. It is a shame a role could not be found for him, but with money likely to be very tight next season, could we afford the 'luxury' of Flynn, let alone him as a player/coach as some dreamers have suggested????
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I do agree with some of your points Daniel, but I disagree that Flynn was 'poor'. The reality is, as an attacking midfielder, he is behind Syers and as a defensive player, he is behind Ravenhill, Jones and Bully. We can't afford to have FIVE central midfielders on our books, irrespective of whether some agree wage cuts or not

Waynus1971 wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
I think I am the only person who thinks that Flynn hasn't just been rubbish this season, but the whole 3 years he's been here.

He has always had the desire but he has never had the skill, passing, strength etc. He had a good shot when it came off, but how many times did he score in 3 years? 14 times...not a very good return if you ask me.

We've let people like Furman and Law go who were excellent, and replaced them with poor players like Flynn and Doherty. Were gradually getting a better calibre of player back, but were still letting some of our best go eg. Moore,OB,Compton,Wil


liams along with promising impact players like Mitchell and Stewart.

Flynn has a premier league personality, but I'm afraid only a conference set of ball skills. Good luck Flynn.

I think it may be just you Mr Gardecki. I do agree he has been poor since his first lengthy lay-off and his passing and shooting hasn't been there since, but he was very able beforehand.
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The one thing that most fans demand is a player that gives 100% for the club (irrespective of ability) and you can't knock Flynn for that.
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A model pro and a great ambassador for the club. It is a shame a role could not be found for him, but with money likely to be very tight next season, could we afford the 'luxury' of Flynn, let alone him as a player/coach as some dreamers have suggested????
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I do agree with some of your points Daniel, but I disagree that Flynn was 'poor'. The reality is, as an attacking midfielder, he is behind Syers and as a defensive player, he is behind Ravenhill, Jones and Bully. We can't afford to have FIVE central midfielders on our books, irrespective of whether some agree wage cuts or not

Nearly every player I have thought weren't good enough, but other people did at first, have eventually agreed with me. Flynn,Fagan,Threlfal
l and many others I haven't thought were good enough from the beginning, and have been proven right.

Ramsden, Branston and Seip I still need to convince people about. 90+% of people think those 3 are good when injury free, whereas I think all 3 are crap. Why? Imo Seip is a loose passer. Branston costs us goals. And Ramsden has no attacking quality whatsoever and is slow. I would've picked Liam Moore over a fit Ramsden anyday. Moore has attacking skills, he's fast, has a long throw, wins 90% of his headers, tracks back and can tackle.

Another point but the reverse way round is I've always thought Bullock was a capable player for league 2, but for years people have been saying we should get rid of him. Only now, people have started to change their opinion of him.

We all have different opinions, but 90% of the time mine get proven right.....eventually
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Pablo wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

A very good point Pablo (I may have just choked a little). On a purely financial point though, getting rid of PP when he has 12 months left on his contract may neutralise any additional season ticket sales that YOU think it would bring. i.e. there is no benefit financially in sacking PP. Don't know how much it would cost exactly but would surely be a few thousand season tickets. I would however suggest that it is only a few posters saying that they won't renew with PP in charge not MOST as you state. Perhaps it is not PP that people are fed up with anyway; it is just the realisation that we don't really have enough cash to be competitive next season...whoever our manager is! Whatever people think about PP; they forced Stuart out, then Taylor, then Jacko left and has it led to improvements...NO... so why would swapping PP lead to better things.

The revenue from 2000 season tickets is approximately £400,000. PP's contract has sixteen months to run so, if he is the stumbling block, it would make financial sense to replace him, leaving more than £250,000 surplus, I'd guess. Smaller clubs with less revenue than us in this division, have had more successful campaigns in the last two seasons, so us not having enough cash to be competitive just doesn't wash. Ignoring Jacko's little spell, the last two managers have been failures ( measured in terms of success or, more, importantly the lack of it!). I don't like chopping and changing managers just for the sake of it but we have a situation where the current man in charge hasn't improved our league position and is proving to be very unpopular with an increasing number of fans. Despite our differences, we share a loyalty towards our club and an unpoular manager that has not moved our club forward could threaten the financial viability of it, by causing a significant number of supporters not to renew their season tickets.

All good points Pablo!!. But again....WHY on earth did Lawn/Rhodes give "Deadbeat" more than a year contract?? (Nobody had even heard of him!!).
BUT as a group of 8 and also one extra (my son lives abroad and only goes to about 4 games)......WE will NOT RENEW our Season Tickets.....while "Deadbeat" is Manager!!.
Of course its no big deal we are only 8!!.

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi


p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach.

Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to".

It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis.

Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we:

a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or,

b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy.

I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months.

Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months. Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Those "Pesky" supporters again Lonnie!!.
I think you will find the reason that our Managers have resigned or been sacked is for one reason and one reason only.....RESULTS!!.

shaun from richmond wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months. Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Those "Pesky" supporters again Lonnie!!.
I think you will find the reason that our Managers have resigned or been sacked is for one reason and one reason only.....RESULTS!!.

Some supporters say they would be happy to lose but be entertained! Some supporters booed PT's team off after getting a 'RESULT' against a team that went on to get promoted! What is your definition of a 'RESULT' Shaun? Promotion?, play-off position?, one place higher than previous season? Entertaining defeats?, boring wins? a new manager every 3 months?. It may take a little longer than a few months to turn around the SS Bradford City! We are on our 15th manager since June 2000, it appears we only chose the managers who can't manage? .

A good servant, but I think injuries over the last couple of years have gradually taken their toll, and it was the right decision to release him. I can only echo earlier sentiments in the regret that we weren't given the opportunity, to show our appreciation for someone who never shirked their responsibilities both on and off the pitch. All the best flynny

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi



p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach.

Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to".

It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis.

Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we:

a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or,

b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy.

I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months.

Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Lonnie, I understand what you are saying about keeping experienced players at the club, but at what cost. Even if Flynn had agreed to take a pay cut, he would still have been on decent money, especially if we were asking him to perform dual-roles as a player/coach.
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You say you want player stability. We started last season with Bully, Flynn, Jones and Syers, plus Mitchell who could fill that position. We have simply replaced Ravenhill with Flynn and will probably look to replace Mitchell's position in the squad. The fact is, we need a right-sided player and someone to cover Reid much more than we do Flynn.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi




p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach.

Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to".

It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis.

Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we:

a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or,

b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy.

I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months.

Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Lonnie, I understand what you are saying about keeping experienced players at the club, but at what cost. Even if Flynn had agreed to take a pay cut, he would still have been on decent money, especially if we were asking him to perform dual-roles as a player/coach.
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You say you want player stability. We started last season with Bully, Flynn, Jones and Syers, plus Mitchell who could fill that position. We have simply replaced Ravenhill with Flynn and will probably look to replace Mitchell's position in the squad. The fact is, we need a right-sided player and someone to cover Reid much more than we do Flynn.

I don't think I am making my point clear enough waynus. I am not happy with managers ONLY appearing to be any good at their job by bringing in a ship load of new players on a regular basis. I want the manager to improve the majority of the players -i accept one or two additions are required- by COACHING, motivating etc and using players such as Flynn to lead and push those same players on to better things. An odd % here and there improvement in the players would make a massive difference. I'm sure Brian Clough and Martin O'Neil are not the only two people ever born who could improve a players impact on the pitch.

Why do you say Flynn would have to have been on 'decent money' to stay? Was his role and contract ever negotiated? What sort of foundations for the longer term benefit of the Club do you want to see in place if not keeping and using such valuable assets -and previous investment over the last 3 seasons- as Flynn?

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months. Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Lonnie, I understand what you are saying about keeping experienced players at the club, but at what cost. Even if Flynn had agreed to take a pay cut, he would still have been on decent money, especially if we were asking him to perform dual-roles as a player/coach. . You say you want player stability. We started last season with Bully, Flynn, Jones and Syers, plus Mitchell who could fill that position. We have simply replaced Ravenhill with Flynn and will probably look to replace Mitchell's position in the squad. The fact is, we need a right-sided player and someone to cover Reid much more than we do Flynn.

I don't think I am making my point clear enough waynus. I am not happy with managers ONLY appearing to be any good at their job by bringing in a ship load of new players on a regular basis. I want the manager to improve the majority of the players -i accept one or two additions are required- by COACHING, motivating etc and using players such as Flynn to lead and push those same players on to better things. An odd % here and there improvement in the players would make a massive difference. I'm sure Brian Clough and Martin O'Neil are not the only two people ever born who could improve a players impact on the pitch. Why do you say Flynn would have to have been on 'decent money' to stay? Was his role and contract ever negotiated? What sort of foundations for the longer term benefit of the Club do you want to see in place if not keeping and using such valuable assets -and previous investment over the last 3 seasons- as Flynn?

Lonnie, I'm not picking a fight with you. I do agree where you are coming from and I do understand the concept of players of experienced players passing on their experience.
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Where I disagree is the fact you are suggesting keeping on an experienced player, just so he can do a bit of coaching and passing on some words of experience. What is stopping our experienced players doing some coaching whilst still an integral part of the team?
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Mark Lawn was asked on Saturday if he would consider approaching Windass to do a spot of coaching for our forwards. His response was that Windass and Wells would earn similar money and so which would we prefer, the player or the coach. Surely it would be similar with Flynn.
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As for how much money Flynn would be asking, nobody knows, but I cannot believe he would take another cut. Remember that when he signed his last contract with us, both he and Bully agreed to take "substantial" cuts to stay at the club. or at least this is what was reported at the time. Flynn claims he was approached by a League 1 club last Summer, so why would he take another cut to stay with us AND increase his role to include coaching? Does he even want a career in coaching as he did suggest he wanted to move into media once his career ended, thus he is unlikely to have taken any of his coaching badges? Is this necessary?
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In a perfect World, we could afford to keep Flynn on as a player/coach and the player would be happy to take some sessions. As I say, I'm not knocking your suggestion, I'm just merely looking at it from the other side.

thank you Michael Flynn.

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus1971 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach. Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to". It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis. Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we: a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or, b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy. I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months. Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Lonnie, I understand what you are saying about keeping experienced players at the club, but at what cost. Even if Flynn had agreed to take a pay cut, he would still have been on decent money, especially if we were asking him to perform dual-roles as a player/coach. . You say you want player stability. We started last season with Bully, Flynn, Jones and Syers, plus Mitchell who could fill that position. We have simply replaced Ravenhill with Flynn and will probably look to replace Mitchell's position in the squad. The fact is, we need a right-sided player and someone to cover Reid much more than we do Flynn.

I don't think I am making my point clear enough waynus. I am not happy with managers ONLY appearing to be any good at their job by bringing in a ship load of new players on a regular basis. I want the manager to improve the majority of the players -i accept one or two additions are required- by COACHING, motivating etc and using players such as Flynn to lead and push those same players on to better things. An odd % here and there improvement in the players would make a massive difference. I'm sure Brian Clough and Martin O'Neil are not the only two people ever born who could improve a players impact on the pitch. Why do you say Flynn would have to have been on 'decent money' to stay? Was his role and contract ever negotiated? What sort of foundations for the longer term benefit of the Club do you want to see in place if not keeping and using such valuable assets -and previous investment over the last 3 seasons- as Flynn?

Lonnie, I'm not picking a fight with you. I do agree where you are coming from and I do understand the concept of players of experienced players passing on their experience.
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Where I disagree is the fact you are suggesting keeping on an experienced player, just so he can do a bit of coaching and passing on some words of experience. What is stopping our experienced players doing some coaching whilst still an integral part of the team?
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Mark Lawn was asked on Saturday if he would consider approaching Windass to do a spot of coaching for our forwards. His response was that Windass and Wells would earn similar money and so which would we prefer, the player or the coach. Surely it would be similar with Flynn.
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As for how much money Flynn would be asking, nobody knows, but I cannot believe he would take another cut. Remember that when he signed his last contract with us, both he and Bully agreed to take "substantial" cuts to stay at the club. or at least this is what was reported at the time. Flynn claims he was approached by a League 1 club last Summer, so why would he take another cut to stay with us AND increase his role to include coaching? Does he even want a career in coaching as he did suggest he wanted to move into media once his career ended, thus he is unlikely to have taken any of his coaching badges? Is this necessary?
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In a perfect World, we could afford to keep Flynn on as a player/coach and the player would be happy to take some sessions. As I say, I'm not knocking your suggestion, I'm just merely looking at it from the other side.

Fair enough is questioning the affordability waynus. But if Flynn was never offered the option then he would not have been able to say yes.

Fynn was definitely interested in a career in coaching, here is a quote from him posted in the T&A, 6:50pm Thursday 16th February 2012:

'Despite that, I would love to be a coach and a manager one day. It doesn’t put me off. I’m trying to do my UEFA B licence in the summer and I’m thinking ahead. I’d like to think I have the self-confidence and belief to bring the right formula to the job'.

As regards Windass Coaching: I think there is a world of difference as regards role models and intelligence between him and Flynn. I wouldn't want Windass back at the Club in any role that would allow him into a position whereby he could affect easily influenced young minds. I don't mean that in a nasty or disrespectful way but he is far from being a role model that I would want a son of mine to copy. Flynny is in a different league, as was Whetherall and Jacobs IMO.

Look what I just found waynus:

Bradford Telegraph and Argus » Sport »
SPORT RSS FEED

Returning as Bantams boss would mean so much

2:40pm Thursday 3rd May 2012 in Sport

Michael Flynn column: I would love the chance to come back to Bradford City one day – as manager.

It would be an absolute no-brainer for me. I wouldn’t have to think about it for a second.

I’ve made no secret about how much I want to move into management when the day comes to hang up my boots.

It’s the best job in the world being involved in football and I never want it to end.

And it would mean so much to me if I could return to Valley Parade sometime in the future in the dug-out.


Coaching and management is something I really want to get my teeth into. I’m doing my UEFA B coaching licence at the end of the month in Wales. It’s an intensive course and you aim to get it all done in a week.

That’s the next step on the ladder towards becoming a fully-qualified coach.

I haven’t had chance to do as much coaching as I would have liked but it’s definitely something that I’m really keen on in the future.

It would be nice to give something back to the game which has been so good to me.

And where better to prove a success as a manager than back at the club that will always mean so much to me.

One thing’s for sure, I hope it’s higher up the leagues than now because it means the club will have enjoyed some long overdue success. Everybody connected with the place deserves that.

I’ve left behind a great bunch of players there. We all got on really well and I’m going to miss them a lot.

We might make the odd stupid mistake here or there but we don’t go out to lose on purpose. They’re a really honest bunch of lads and people like Lee Bullock, Simon Ramsden, Ritchie Jones and Craig Fagan have become good friends.

I wish the gaffer and Parky well and I hope it works out for them and the two chairmen. Without Julian and Mark, the club wouldn’t still be going and the fans should appreciate that.

Let’s all get behind the club and hopefully a good start next season will lead to brighter times ahead.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Look what I just found waynus: Bradford Telegraph and Argus » Sport » SPORT RSS FEED Returning as Bantams boss would mean so much 2:40pm Thursday 3rd May 2012 in Sport Michael Flynn column: I would love the chance to come back to Bradford City one day – as manager. It would be an absolute no-brainer for me. I wouldn’t have to think about it for a second. I’ve made no secret about how much I want to move into management when the day comes to hang up my boots. It’s the best job in the world being involved in football and I never want it to end. And it would mean so much to me if I could return to Valley Parade sometime in the future in the dug-out. Coaching and management is something I really want to get my teeth into. I’m doing my UEFA B coaching licence at the end of the month in Wales. It’s an intensive course and you aim to get it all done in a week. That’s the next step on the ladder towards becoming a fully-qualified coach. I haven’t had chance to do as much coaching as I would have liked but it’s definitely something that I’m really keen on in the future. It would be nice to give something back to the game which has been so good to me. And where better to prove a success as a manager than back at the club that will always mean so much to me. One thing’s for sure, I hope it’s higher up the leagues than now because it means the club will have enjoyed some long overdue success. Everybody connected with the place deserves that. I’ve left behind a great bunch of players there. We all got on really well and I’m going to miss them a lot. We might make the odd stupid mistake here or there but we don’t go out to lose on purpose. They’re a really honest bunch of lads and people like Lee Bullock, Simon Ramsden, Ritchie Jones and Craig Fagan have become good friends. I wish the gaffer and Parky well and I hope it works out for them and the two chairmen. Without Julian and Mark, the club wouldn’t still be going and the fans should appreciate that. Let’s all get behind the club and hopefully a good start next season will lead to brighter times ahead.

Fair enough Lonnie. I remembered reading something in a previous article about him enjoying writing the articles for the 'Flynn Column' and that he would like to do something like this when he eventually stopped playing. Somebody else mentioned it (above) and it reminded me.
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However, I concede he clearlt is keeping his options open with his main prize being a coach/manager one day.
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Can't agree with your comments on Windass though. How do you know he isn't a good role model outside of football? I agree he did some very unpleasant actions on the pitch (and in the car park to the tool Drysdale), but wasn't that part of his game, to rough up/wind-up the opposition?
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I remember one particular incident where we got a penalty despite the ball being in our half, near the dug-out. Windass has been winding up the keeper so much that he clouted Deano and we got a penalty. Surely that's just football?
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Nahki Wells and James Hanson get knocked about far too easily and both need to learn to be stronger and stand up for themselves. Surely Deano's guidance in this respect can only be good for them?
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Besides, this isn't about whether we want Deano back or not. It is more the fact that the Chairman said we couldn't afford another coach, let alone one that is still playing.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi



p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach.

Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to".

It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis.

Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we:

a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or,

b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy.

I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months.

Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Completely disagree that the fans in the main 'drove' out the managers.

Stu put pressure on himself not the fans.

Taylor was pants in every department and yes on this occasion fans were very unhappy BUT were very reserved in voicing this at games.

Jackson we don't know why he left exactly BUT IT WAS DEFINATELY NOT THE FANS....

So for someone who demamnds evidence from others your way off on this one.

Everything else in your post i pretty much agree with and makes sense. especially the building upon what we already have....but even Lawn didn't have that vision and/or patience this season and the direction of the club stems from there......

dannbradfc wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Pablo wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Posters keep mentioning Flynn being 'one of the higher earners'. Maybe he was, but that doesn't mean he wouldn't have accepted a lower wage to stay as a squad man/coach/Club ambassador/whatever role that would have meant we didn't lose that Knowledge, commitment/leadershi




p/potential future Assistant Manager or Manager of a Club he understood and had a lot of feelings for. We need to leave some of the 'foundations' of the Club in place and build on them because this constantly reinventing of squads, managers, assistant managers, coaching/backroom support etc, is not producing the goods.

Tim Thornton asked Mark Lawn, on Saturday's Pulse, if there was a possibility of appointing Dean Windass as strikers coach.

Mark Lawn replied " do you want Nahki Wells or a strikers coach, because that's what it boils down to".

It's not a bad idea that you're suggesting , lonnie but, if this forum is representative of most City fans, we're heading for a major cash crisis.

Most fans on here are saying they won't renew if PP remains in charge. If, therefore, we've only sold, say, 5,000 by 31 May do we:

a) sit tight, and face financial meltdown or,

b) dispense with PP and try and attract the 4,000 or so fans who've previously refused to buy.

I'm asking you lonnie because you advocate managerial stability, which I fully understand, under normal circumstances.

The supporters have in the main been the reason why Managers have resigned or been sacked at BCFC. Many fans are at this moment in time saying they want PP out or they wont renew their support. This has, in the past put tremendous pressure on the Chairmen and Managers alike. So no, I would not 'dispense with PP'! I have been consistent in my argument that we need to keep managers for more than one season/6 months.

Every time we change a manager we end up changing three-quarters of the players for a new lot. I want us to gradually build on what we have invested in. Hence my reasoning behind wanting to keep the knowledge, experience, leadership, attitude commitment, understanding of what the supporters expect and love of the Club -that WAS Michael Flynn- at the Club to be passed on to new and young players. Call me a 'dreamer' if you want waynus but I see absolutely no sense in allowing all that inherent value to exit the Club. If PP is any good as a manager I expect him to improve the players that he has -as I did the previous managers- not simply rely on good budgets to bring in another 15 new players. The likes of Flynn would/could have helped improve those existing players but we have let all that value leave the Club. I want player stability in the same way I advocate management stability. Less spending on umpteen loans and temp contracts and more spending on keeping and using quality, competent, knowledgeable personnel who can improve the players we already have.

Completely disagree that the fans in the main 'drove' out the managers.

Stu put pressure on himself not the fans.

Taylor was pants in every department and yes on this occasion fans were very unhappy BUT were very reserved in voicing this at games.

Jackson we don't know why he left exactly BUT IT WAS DEFINATELY NOT THE FANS....

So for someone who demamnds evidence from others your way off on this one.

Everything else in your post i pretty much agree with and makes sense. especially the building upon what we already have....but even Lawn didn't have that vision and/or patience this season and the direction of the club stems from there......

You have quoted me as using the term 'drove' out. I didn't, I chose my words carefully so please don't misquote me.

You don't think falling attendances and the knock-on effect doesn't have any affect on the whether managers stay or go? You don't think Stuart left because he felt he was letting the fans down? Then why leave? And if you read the reason Peter Taylor gave for resigning you will see it had everything to do with the fans! So I think that to a greater or lesser degree the fans have, 'in the main' (can't say for Jacko), been indirectly -and in PT's case directly- responsible for managers leaving. A business has to take account of it's customers requirements. Isn't that what a number of posters have been moaning and groaning about on here -for at least the last 3 years to my knowledge? Can't believe you don't think the paying customer doesn't have an influence on the life-span of managers Dann. That's just being naive.