Bradford City charged by FA over brawl (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2.

Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans.

No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans.

I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

Danstarr69 wrote:
3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2.

Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans.

No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans.

I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video.
i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's!
both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

thought it showed fighting spirit just the wrong kind lol

Just wondering if Crawley were as bad as people are saying, why has this carry on not happened at any of their other games?

Colin Allcars wrote:
Just wondering if Crawley were as bad as people are saying, why has this carry on not happened at any of their other games?

From what I've heard it's come close once or twice there are a few teams come out and said they will be glad to see the back of them.

Just going with the short video, but isn't it the City players going towards and attacking the Crawley players, rather than Crawley attacking them?

Colin Allcars wrote:
Just going with the short video, but isn't it the City players going towards and attacking the Crawley players, rather than Crawley attacking them?

You didn't see the Crawley player nearly take the Bradford players (Davies) head off ? to spark it all

Nickloza wrote:

Colin Allcars wrote: Just going with the short video, but isn't it the City players going towards and attacking the Crawley players, rather than Crawley attacking them?

You didn't see the Crawley player nearly take the Bradford players (Davies) head off ? to spark it all

That wasn't the spark though was it. Davies had already thrown punches ae minute or so before and been shepherded away. His determination to keep things going suggests to me that he has completely lost it. He did have his hands by his side when he ran towards Davis though.

If Andrew Davies had let things go and left the field then neither Jon Mac or Luke Oliver would have been involved.

just read that marcel seip is out for the rest of the season....he has had a reaccurance of a shoulder injury.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Nickloza wrote:

Colin Allcars wrote: Just going with the short video, but isn't it the City players going towards and attacking the Crawley players, rather than Crawley attacking them?

You didn't see the Crawley player nearly take the Bradford players (Davies) head off ? to spark it all

That wasn't the spark though was it. Davies had already thrown punches ae minute or so before and been shepherded away. His determination to keep things going suggests to me that he has completely lost it. He did have his hands by his side when he ran towards Davis though.

If Andrew Davies had let things go and left the field then neither Jon Mac or Luke Oliver would have been involved.

I stand corrected then but I was there and saw them arguing and Davies chase him then get flattened If I'm honest I didn't see him throw a punch but if he did I missed it.

If you watch it from the off and not when Claude Davis attacks Andrew Davies you will find words and players squaring up before Andy Davies goes to confront Claude Davis then all breaks loose also good to see their no.5 as also been charged he threw a punch and ran to the back and tried to calm thngs what a fooking coward

FA charges issued following mass confrontation. Bradford v Crawley.


Following the events which occurred at the end of the League Two match between Bradford City and Crawley Town on Tuesday 27 March 2012, The FA has issued the following charges:-

• Both Bradford City and Crawley Town have been charged for failing to ensure that their players and/or officials conducted themselves in an orderly fashion and/or refrained from provocative behaviour. The clubs have until 4pm on 3 April 2012 to respond to the charge.

• Crawley Town’s Pablo Mills has been charged with violent conduct for an on-field incident which occurred outside of the jurisdiction of the match officials but was reported to The FA. This charge is additional to the dismissal for violent conduct which Mills received after the match. The player has until 6pm on 30 March 2012 to respond to the charge.

• Crawley Town’s Kyle McFadzean has been charged with violent conduct for an on-field incident which was not seen by the match officials but caught on video. McFadzean has until 6pm on 30 March 2012 to respond to the charge.

No sign of bradford players being charged?

Watch the fight from a different angle, my vid btw. The fight lasted about 2 minutes but only managed to get 17 seconds. It wasn't Davies who threw the 1st punch. Watch closely, Davies gets smacked for no reason, Oliver comes in and smacks the Crawley player who did it, then Mac decides to help out Oliver.

http://youtu.be/2tMN
G6zRgsM

Whilst i understand the togetherness and fighting spirit of our players i still don't think they realize how serious the situation is and the possible implications of their actions.
By Wednesday we should know the outcome from the FA and as i posted earlier i would not be suprised if more red cards are issued,heavy fine imposed and some other punishment dished out and despite what other posters think it is possible we could be made an example of and some sort of points deduction or probation period imposed.
I am worried even if other supporters are not.
PP pre warned his players and is blameless in my opinion but the trouble is that he is our manager and is therefore responsible for the players behaviour.
I hope they throw the book at Evans - he deserves it in my opinion.
Well it only remains to wish the lads all the best for Saturday - it may be an opportunity for same fringe players to impress ?

yangyeight wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2.

Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans.

No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans.

I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video.
i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's!
both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

I'm embarrassed for you. Soft lad.

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2.

Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans.

No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans.

I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video.
i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's!
both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

I'm embarrassed for you. Soft lad.

why exactly?

yangyeight wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2.

Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans.

No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans.

I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video.
i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's!
both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

I'm embarrassed for you. Soft lad.

why exactly?

Football is football. At whatever level. Boys stck up for their muckers.

Any coincidence the 3 fighting for each other are the back triangle who spend hours working together everyday?

I'm sick of the criticism. Good on em for loyalty and passion. Albeit wrongly shown.

Much ado about nothing.

Danstarr69 wrote:
Watch the fight from a different angle, my vid btw. The fight lasted about 2 minutes but only managed to get 17 seconds. It wasn't Davies who threw the 1st punch. Watch closely, Davies gets smacked for no reason, Oliver comes in and smacks the Crawley player who did it, then Mac decides to help out Oliver.

http://youtu.be/2tMN

G6zRgsM

Just not true. This was the second fight. The whole thing started on the edge of the box in front of the kop. I have seen no footage but davies was fighting and this is before it really kicked off. The footage on bbc is not the start of it i.e. When davies got belted by davis. Pretty sure it was those two fighting initially though.

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote: 3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2. Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans. No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans. I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video. i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's! both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

I'm embarrassed for you. Soft lad.

why exactly?

Football is football. At whatever level. Boys stck up for their muckers. Any coincidence the 3 fighting for each other are the back triangle who spend hours working together everyday? I'm sick of the criticism. Good on em for loyalty and passion. Albeit wrongly shown. Much ado about nothing.

Much ado about nothing ?
Just handbags ? (Evans claims)

The FA don't think so.

The repercussions won't help in our battle to stay in the FL.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
Watch the fight from a different angle, my vid btw. The fight lasted about 2 minutes but only managed to get 17 seconds. It wasn't Davies who threw the 1st punch. Watch closely, Davies gets smacked for no reason, Oliver comes in and smacks the Crawley player who did it, then Mac decides to help out Oliver.

http://youtu.be/2tMN


G6zRgsM

Just not true. This was the second fight. The whole thing started on the edge of the box in front of the kop. I have seen no footage but davies was fighting and this is before it really kicked off. The footage on bbc is not the start of it i.e. When davies got belted by davis. Pretty sure it was those two fighting initially though.

Davies offered his hand and was then throttled around the throat. That is what kicked it all off.

340stopper wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote: 3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2. Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans. No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans. I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video. i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's! both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

I'm embarrassed for you. Soft lad.

why exactly?

Football is football. At whatever level. Boys stck up for their muckers. Any coincidence the 3 fighting for each other are the back triangle who spend hours working together everyday? I'm sick of the criticism. Good on em for loyalty and passion. Albeit wrongly shown. Much ado about nothing.

Much ado about nothing ?
Just handbags ? (Evans claims)

The FA don't think so.

The repercussions won't help in our battle to stay in the FL.

What are they going to do then?

Help me wise one, because I know the answer. Only takes a Google search.

Too many juvenile cats on here.

just watched a new video on youtube and Mills punched Oliver - not seen that before - that was why Jonny Mac punched mills. Originally i thought Jonny Mac just lost but Mills punched Oliver right in front of Jonny.
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So Davies got hit by Davies so Oliver hit him, Mills then hit Oliver so Jonny Mac hit him and then Mills lost it.
.
All nobody can condone it I believe our players were just defended each other - like any of us would for our mates - FAIR PLAY.

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Onebrianmitchell wrote:

yangyeight wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:
3 Crawley players now banned instead of the original 2.

Crawley players Kyle Mcfadzean and Pablo Mills have been charged with violent conduct charges on top of the bans.

No Bradford players have been charged with violent offenses, just bans.

I think that tells the story that Crawley started it.

no it does not, watch the video.
i thought our players were some thugs from the 80's!
both as bad as each other but we threw more punches.

I'm embarrassed for you. Soft lad.

why exactly?

Football is football. At whatever level. Boys stck up for their muckers.

Any coincidence the 3 fighting for each other are the back triangle who spend hours working together everyday?

I'm sick of the criticism. Good on em for loyalty and passion. Albeit wrongly shown.

Much ado about nothing.

i agree with what you are saying just wish the fighting was on the pitch from back to front for 90mins.
they just made our season harder thats all i mean.
tv and papers make it look worse like a cheap 80's hooligan video which does not help us.

I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up.

As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse.

I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances.

Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club.

Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience.

I'd go with:

GK - Duke
RB - Ramsden
LB - Kozluk
CB - Bullock
CB - Branston
RM - Syers
CM - Ravenhill
CM - Flynn
LM - Reid
CF - Fagan
CF - Dagnall

Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson.

With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

Bradford1903 wrote:
I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up.

As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse.

I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances.

Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club.

Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience.

I'd go with:

GK - Duke
RB - Ramsden
LB - Kozluk
CB - Bullock
CB - Branston
RM - Syers
CM - Ravenhill
CM - Flynn
LM - Reid
CF - Fagan
CF - Dagnall

Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson.

With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote:
I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up.

As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse.

I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances.

Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club.

Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience.

I'd go with:

GK - Duke
RB - Ramsden
LB - Kozluk
CB - Bullock
CB - Branston
RM - Syers
CM - Ravenhill
CM - Flynn
LM - Reid
CF - Fagan
CF - Dagnall

Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson.

With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

dito.how can you leave hanson and wells on bench?

Well done ,they should now charge Steve Evans with incitement and ungentlemanly conduct. I agree fine our players but hopefully they will appologise to the club and fans for their part in the disgracefull behaviour. It was bad enough loosing the game but loosing 3 key players for 3 and 5 matches is stupid beyond belief.

Why hasn't Parky put a central defender on the bench? whats wrong with Stevenson?

eebygum wrote:
Why hasn't Parky put a central defender on the bench? whats wrong with Stevenson?

Do you mean the striker Darren Stephenson on loan at Southport? Or is there a mystery defender on our books?

bigang02 wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up. As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse. I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances. Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club. Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience. I'd go with: GK - Duke RB - Ramsden LB - Kozluk CB - Bullock CB - Branston RM - Syers CM - Ravenhill CM - Flynn LM - Reid CF - Fagan CF - Dagnall Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson. With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

dito.how can you leave hanson and wells on bench?

Agree. Rubbish team selection. Kozluk wouldn't even make my reserves, nevermind the 1st team

BigFigure wrote:

eebygum wrote: Why hasn't Parky put a central defender on the bench? whats wrong with Stevenson?

Do you mean the striker Darren Stephenson on loan at Southport? Or is there a mystery defender on our books?

LOL we don't have anymore centre-backs. We have 4 right-backs (3 who can also play midfield) and 2 centre-backs (with Bullock originally startinf this season as a midfielder). They are the only 6 defenders who are fit other than reserve players.

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote:
I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up.

As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse.

I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances.

Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club.

Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience.

I'd go with:

GK - Duke
RB - Ramsden
LB - Kozluk
CB - Bullock
CB - Branston
RM - Syers
CM - Ravenhill
CM - Flynn
LM - Reid
CF - Fagan
CF - Dagnall

Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson.

With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

So who would you pick as the back four then Macca? Apart from starting Mitchell at right back and moving Ramsden inside, then I don't see any other options? Fry I believe is injured, otherwise I would've played him at left back.

I think it would be very harsh to drop Dagnall for Wells after his midweek display, and he is proven at this level.

I'd normally start Jones over Flynn, but for a game of this magnitide, I believe you need experience and "know how". Same reason for starting Fagan, who's best games for us have been playing as a target man.

Danstarr69 wrote:

bigang02 wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up. As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse. I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances. Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club. Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience. I'd go with: GK - Duke RB - Ramsden LB - Kozluk CB - Bullock CB - Branston RM - Syers CM - Ravenhill CM - Flynn LM - Reid CF - Fagan CF - Dagnall Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson. With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

dito.how can you leave hanson and wells on bench?

Agree. Rubbish team selection. Kozluk wouldn't even make my reserves, nevermind the 1st team

So who would you have at left back then; Mitchell who hasn't played for several months, and you've probably never seen play there?

Typical of some on here, criticising but never offering a solution.

I don't particularly rate Kozluk myself, but for this game I think he is the best option.

Bradford1903 wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:

bigang02 wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up. As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse. I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances. Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club. Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience. I'd go with: GK - Duke RB - Ramsden LB - Kozluk CB - Bullock CB - Branston RM - Syers CM - Ravenhill CM - Flynn LM - Reid CF - Fagan CF - Dagnall Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson. With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

dito.how can you leave hanson and wells on bench?

Agree. Rubbish team selection. Kozluk wouldn't even make my reserves, nevermind the 1st team

So who would you have at left back then; Mitchell who hasn't played for several months, and you've probably never seen play there? Typical of some on here, criticising but never offering a solution. I don't particularly rate Kozluk myself, but for this game I think he is the best option.

My Team:

GK - DUKE

LB - RAMSDEN
RB - MITCHELL
CB - BULLOCK
CB - BRANSTON

LCM - REID
RCM - SYERS
CM - JONES

CF - DAGNALL

LS - HANSON
RS - WELLS

SUBS:

ANNERSEN
FAGAN
RAVENHILL
SMALLEY
ROWE

If Ravo is still injured then Atkinson on bench

BigFigure wrote:

eebygum wrote:
Why hasn't Parky put a central defender on the bench? whats wrong with Stevenson?

Do you mean the striker Darren Stephenson on loan at Southport? Or is there a mystery defender on our books?

Thank you for that snippet of information was there any need for the sacastic tone? That is the player I was thinking about surely if their is an emergency he can recall him. I was reading that there was some rave reviews about him for the reserves just before he was sent out on loan maybe now is the time to give him a chance of being in the squad. If we don't give these kids a chance how will we ever know if their good enough?

You can't blame full backs for the team conceeding goals when as in the Gillingham game the midfield player failed to get his foot in when Ramsden was wrong footed by their winger the midfielder should have come across and been prepared for that happening it's a team game also Fry failed to clear from the player running onto the cross.
The team seemed to fall asleep with Crawleys second goal. My worry is that if we get an injury at Plymouth we have no cover in defence in particular Central defence all the players on the bench are forwards or midfielders according to the T&A team.

Danstarr69 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:

bigang02 wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up. As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse. I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances. Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club. Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience. I'd go with: GK - Duke RB - Ramsden LB - Kozluk CB - Bullock CB - Branston RM - Syers CM - Ravenhill CM - Flynn LM - Reid CF - Fagan CF - Dagnall Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson. With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

dito.how can you leave hanson and wells on bench?

Agree. Rubbish team selection. Kozluk wouldn't even make my reserves, nevermind the 1st team

So who would you have at left back then; Mitchell who hasn't played for several months, and you've probably never seen play there? Typical of some on here, criticising but never offering a solution. I don't particularly rate Kozluk myself, but for this game I think he is the best option.

My Team:

GK - DUKE

LB - RAMSDEN
RB - MITCHELL
CB - BULLOCK
CB - BRANSTON

LCM - REID
RCM - SYERS
CM - JONES

CF - DAGNALL

LS - HANSON
RS - WELLS

SUBS:

ANNERSEN
FAGAN

RAVENHILL
SMALLEY
ROWE

If Ravo is still injured then Atkinson on bench

3 up front, not playing Reid out wide, no holding midfielder; I would suggest that would leave us a bit too open.

Danstarr69 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote:

Danstarr69 wrote:

bigang02 wrote:

macca1969 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I'd fine the players, but no more, and certainly wouldn't be looking to send Davies back to Stoke, as he could be the difference between us staying up. As for suggestions that they should never play for the club again, there are always people who try to claim the moral high ground these days, in this politically correct society, who obviously have never made a mistake in their life. Maybe they would've been cowering in the dug out, or perhaps hiding behind a keyboard while posting abuse. I think Oliver is a bit unfortunate, as he's reacted in a way that a lot us would've done in similar circumstances. Seip being ruled out for the season is a blow, and I feel we need some cover at centre half. I think the loan market is closed now, but I wonder if we might try to bring someone who has been recently released by a club. Against Plymouth I'd pick a team that is competitive and packed full of experience. I'd go with: GK - Duke RB - Ramsden LB - Kozluk CB - Bullock CB - Branston RM - Syers CM - Ravenhill CM - Flynn LM - Reid CF - Fagan CF - Dagnall Subs - Annerson, Mitchell, Jones, Wells, Hanson. With the week we've had, it'd just be typical that Reid's partner goes into labour, and he's missing. If that's the case then I'd play Wells on the left.

I hope parky doesn't pick that team. No pace at the back none in midfield with exception to Reid and none up front.

dito.how can you leave hanson and wells on bench?

Agree. Rubbish team selection. Kozluk wouldn't even make my reserves, nevermind the 1st team

So who would you have at left back then; Mitchell who hasn't played for several months, and you've probably never seen play there? Typical of some on here, criticising but never offering a solution. I don't particularly rate Kozluk myself, but for this game I think he is the best option.

My Team:

GK - DUKE

LB - RAMSDEN
RB - MITCHELL
CB - BULLOCK
CB - BRANSTON

LCM - REID
RCM - SYERS
CM - JONES

CF - DAGNALL

LS - HANSON
RS - WELLS

SUBS:

ANNERSEN
FAGAN

RAVENHILL
SMALLEY
ROWE

If Ravo is still injured then Atkinson on bench

3 up front, not playing Reid out wide, no holding midfielder; I would suggest that would leave us a bit too open.

eebygum wrote:
You can't blame full backs for the team conceeding goals when as in the Gillingham game the midfield player failed to get his foot in when Ramsden was wrong footed by their winger the midfielder should have come across and been prepared for that happening it's a team game also Fry failed to clear from the player running onto the cross.
The team seemed to fall asleep with Crawleys second goal. My worry is that if we get an injury at Plymouth we have no cover in defence in particular Central defence all the players on the bench are forwards or midfielders according to the T&A team.

You can't blame the full-backs for the number of goals being conceded? You are joking right?
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Did Fry not get easily outjumped against Gills, costing us a goal? Did I dream Ramsden putting the ball into the back of his won net? Where were our full-backs when Crawley scored their first from a set-piece on Tuesday?
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Of course the full-backs are to blame. They are just as much culpable than our other defensive players...!

I have a number of issues, having just read over 100 posts on this and other stories. Firstly, yes, the players did show some togetherness, but where will that togetherness be, if we end up getting relegated?
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Secondly, why are we all trying to 'guess' what actually happened? If all your opinion is based on is tv footage, then I suggest you keep quiet. My view of what happened is similar to KnightMcCall's. I was on my way out of the ground, when I saw Davies and Davis come together. I'm sure I saw the white bandaged hand strike Davis before the players were quickly separated. Both sets of players then went to applaud their own sets of fans. By this stage I set off leaving the ground once more, only to then hear further commotion. This is when the second incident occurred. I have only seen this on TV, but, I can only assume that Davis was still miffed at being struck by Andrew davies, that he said or did something. Davies then ran at Davis, who returned the earlier attack in kindness.
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So, yes, Claude Davis did strike Andrew Davies, but the original incident WAS started by the City player. I'm just glad this piece of footage hasn't been seen by the Football League as further charges may have been given to the on-loan Stoke player.
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My third point is in relation to trying to pick a team with what is left. Surely this all depends on whether Reid is playing. If he is, it makes sense to deploy a 3-5-2 formation (as this is how we have played the last 30mins in each of our last 2 games). Personally, I'd go with;
Duke
Ramsden - Bully - Branston
Fagan - Ravenhill - Jones - Reid - (with Dagnall in the hole)
Hanson - Wells
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With that formation, we have three centre-backs and if we were to get an injury to one, we can easily revert back to 4-4-2 or 4-3-3. To help with that, I'd have a bench of;
Annerson - Kozluk (personally I prefer Mitchell, but Kozzie can cover BOTH full-back positions) - Flynn - Syers & Smalley.
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Open Season - go on, shoot me down..! LOL

Waynus1971 wrote:

eebygum wrote:
You can't blame full backs for the team conceeding goals when as in the Gillingham game the midfield player failed to get his foot in when Ramsden was wrong footed by their winger the midfielder should have come across and been prepared for that happening it's a team game also Fry failed to clear from the player running onto the cross.
The team seemed to fall asleep with Crawleys second goal. My worry is that if we get an injury at Plymouth we have no cover in defence in particular Central defence all the players on the bench are forwards or midfielders according to the T&A team.

You can't blame the full-backs for the number of goals being conceded? You are joking right?
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Did Fry not get easily outjumped against Gills, costing us a goal? Did I dream Ramsden putting the ball into the back of his won net? Where were our full-backs when Crawley scored their first from a set-piece on Tuesday?
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Of course the full-backs are to blame. They are just as much culpable than our other defensive players...!

I pointed out that Fry was beaten if you want to take issue with something I print read it first, It is not only the full backs job to defend it is also the midfield players duty to double up on the player when he gets past his man or pulls the ball back and wrong foots the defender. If you watch premier league players they cover for each other. Also for the 2 center backs to cover the forwards running on.Thank God your not our manager. The Ramsden goal actually Jonny Mac was badly positioned had he been in a more central position in his goal he would have covered that easily as it crawled into the goal. I am not saying that the defenders are perfect but as I said it's team game and they all have responsibilties to cover certain positions which as been a problem most of this season. Please read it before you jump in with your size 5's If you need an example of good cover work from a midfield player watch Guttiers at Newcastle and all kids wanting to be a pro-footballer could learn from him.