Bradford City winger Daley completes Rotherham switch as Ellison arrives at Valley Parade (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

JUST WHEN YOU THOUGHT THIS DEBACLE OF A SEASON COULDN'T GET ANY WORSE OUR 'MANAGER' GETS RID OF TEH ONLY FLAIR PLAYER IN THE SQUAD. TAYLOR OUT. I AM LIVID THAT WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A RIDICULOUS RUMOUR HAS TURNED OUT TO BE TRUE. DISGUSTED.

i told you. you heard it first from me.omg another of pts rejects joining us.hope he is better than daley or the fans will be on pts case is it the 7th may yet.roll on aug.

Taylor has played Omar out of position all season and now let's him go.

We are fast-becoming a joke club !

I simply cannot belive what I am reading here. Why has Taylor sanctioned this? It beggars belief and underlines what 'style' of football Taylor wishes to employ. Admittedly, Daley can look most 'uninterested' at times though, for me, a lot of that is down to the style the team is being told to play under Taylor. However, he is the one player we have (had) that can (could) conjure something up out of nothing. Also, of course, he is (was) the only player who could create a moment of excitement that has obviously been lacking this season. Plus, why on earth do we need Ellison just after signing Dobie?! We now have 3 big forwards up front with no-one on the wings to cross the ball to them! This season just gets worse and worse by the day. Taylor is making a mockery of our club and he needs to go. Now. If he thinks he's had a rough ride from the fans so far, I don't think he has the first idea of what it's going to be like for him this Saturday. And if we lose, I for one will be outside the main entrance to the club after the game, voicing my disgust. I doubt I will be alone. In summary, the whole thing is an utter disgrace. Taylor OUT!

we not fast coming a joke we are the joke of league 2.

Result!! Good riddance I say. He was lazy and quite frankly useless. 1 good game in 10 isnt good enough for any level and I would have snapped Rovrum's hands off as well.
We will be a better 'team' due to this, no doubt the PT slaters will slag him off for another loan but if it makes the team better who cares? Not me!! Im delighted with this :D

Anyway Si - Helmut Schoen :-)

CasualBantam wrote:
I simply cannot belive what I am reading here. Why has Taylor sanctioned this? It beggars belief and underlines what 'style' of football Taylor wishes to employ. Admittedly, Daley can look most 'uninterested' at times though, for me, a lot of that is down to the style the team is being told to play under Taylor. However, he is the one player we have (had) that can (could) conjure something up out of nothing. Also, of course, he is (was) the only player who could create a moment of excitement that has obviously been lacking this season. Plus, why on earth do we need Ellison just after signing Dobie?! We now have 3 big forwards up front with no-one on the wings to cross the ball to them! This season just gets worse and worse by the day. Taylor is making a mockery of our club and he needs to go. Now. If he thinks he's had a rough ride from the fans so far, I don't think he has the first idea of what it's going to be like for him this Saturday. And if we lose, I for one will be outside the main entrance to the club after the game, voicing my disgust. I doubt I will be alone. In summary, the whole thing is an utter disgrace. Taylor OUT!

I will certainly be one of the people joining you mate. If we lose on Saturday he needs to know how we feel. It's been an easy ride so far considering where he has let us sink to. A few garbled 'Taylor Out' chants from the Kop will not cut the mustard anymore. A proper demo in front of the Sunwin is what's called for.

Just what we need another senior (in football terms) on the pitch!

Taylor for Rotherham next season???

Great just what we need another one of Peter Taylors old boys brigade. We were a proud team till he started handing out wage packets to all of his mates. I'm sure he fit in nicely to this useless team right along side his mates Junior, Hunt, Doc, Oliver. Patience well and truly lost.

This 'outrage' from the majority of the above posts smacks of double standards IMO and is utter rubbish.
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Most people on here have absolutly slated Daley (and rightly so) for his abysmal performaces throughout the last month, the worst of the insults coming after his horror show against Lincoln.
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Daley, has had few decent performaces this season and I would take a hard working Kevin Ellison over him everytime.
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He doesnt/cannot cross (take your pick)
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His shooting is horrendous
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He rarely takes players on anymore
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He is lazy and petulant (Think Lincoln at home as a key example)
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Daley will go down as a player with lots of promise, that has consistently failed. Again, and again.
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If city are to truely sort themselves out, these difficult decisions need to be made, and I applaud the board and PT for making this decision.

best news i have hard in ages

Weren't most of the above slating Daley for a poor performance against Lincoln a couple of weeks ago? Now he has gone on loan he is "the one player we have (had) that can (could) conjure something up out of nothing"
I'm not having a go at the poster I quoted above, but it seems to me that some people are using this as just another reason to have a go at Taylor.

If the lad can bring results then good look to him but our fresh speed is slowly being zapped from the team with slow to medium players replacing them.

As previously predicted, you heard it all here first, watch this space for more ground breaking predictions from the past, present and the future.

Please don't lump me in with anybody who's complained about Daley for any reason. I have never said a bad word about the man. For us to have had a player with as much ability as he has been an honour for a club in our position. He isn't lazy, he's a ruddy winger. He is inconsistent, that's why he's League 2, but ask any League 2 manager which player they'd fear most in our side and you would unanimously here the words: Omar Daley. On his day he can turn a match on it's head. Why could he do it for McCall and not for Taylor? The answer's obvious. I am outraged, and I am outraged by Taylor. It's not an excuse to have a pop, it's because I feel sick to the core with all this. HE IS DESTROYING OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. As far as I'm concerned people like you will have the blood on their hands come the ultimate demise of our club that Taylor is leading us towards. He has replaced our club's biggest asset with another bruiser who's past his sell by date. I am outraged, absolutely outraged. Check what teh Rotherham fans think - They've got the deal of the Century in their minds. Thing is every other club's fans rate Daley apart from the majority of his own.

I'll be glad to see the back of Daley - yes, there is no doubt that he has talent, probably more talented than any other player we have in our side, or have had for several seasons. But its no good having that talent, if you save it for special occasions. Its been very frustrating watching him wander in and out the game for teh last few years, rarely getting out of first gear. Hopefully he'll come back a better player, but if he really had any talent, he'd have been signed up by a bigger team long ago.
Ellison - well any new head that has experience must be a good signing.

great news:does DALEY really know Ronnie Mooore.

Best bit of news I have had for ages. Ellison, although older, ran us ragged last season, is a proven goal sorer and has more than the odd assist.
AND HE CAN CONTROL A BALL AND HAS MORE FOOTBALLING SENSE THAN DALEY WILL EVER HAD.

another fall out?

WELL DONE MR TAYLOR

I could be wrong but I seem to remember Ellison was the player who should have received 4 red cards last time he played at VP. He kept elbowing our players in the face.

If so, i'm looking forward to another 90 mins of pure entertainment! what is it that Man City have started doing? something like a polish celebration facing away from the pitch. We should do the same, althouhg we could face away form the pitch until we score (assuming we do), then turn around and face the pitch to celebrate.

Its not fair to single out Daley when the whole team has played fairly poorly all season. Taylor deserves criticism for not getting the best out of anybody, but particularly Daley whose style of play just doesnt seem to suit him. It would normally be considered to be a bad move losing someone like Daley but with Taylor in charge he'd only carry on being wasted.

Babbsy wrote:
Please don't lump me in with anybody who's complained about Daley for any reason. I have never said a bad word about the man. For us to have had a player with as much ability as he has been an honour for a club in our position. He isn't lazy, he's a ruddy winger. He is inconsistent, that's why he's League 2, but ask any League 2 manager which player they'd fear most in our side and you would unanimously here the words: Omar Daley. On his day he can turn a match on it's head. Why could he do it for McCall and not for Taylor? The answer's obvious. I am outraged, and I am outraged by Taylor. It's not an excuse to have a pop, it's because I feel sick to the core with all this. HE IS DESTROYING OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. As far as I'm concerned people like you will have the blood on their hands come the ultimate demise of our club that Taylor is leading us towards. He has replaced our club's biggest asset with another bruiser who's past his sell by date. I am outraged, absolutely outraged. Check what teh Rotherham fans think - They've got the deal of the Century in their minds. Thing is every other club's fans rate Daley apart from the majority of his own.

Spot on Babbsy. In case you haven't noticed we haven't got any wingers and have been struggling to get crosses in all season. Omar may have been 'haphazard' but he was the only winger we had . Who is going to provide the 'ammo' for Ellison? It's an outrage, the sooner PT goes the better! If he gets us relegated, he better have some good running shoes.

it makes me laugh - people on here have been slating daley all season and although i'm not sad enough to remember exactly who but i'm sure some people on here are now going mad because PT has let him go.....no pleasing some people.
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Considering the predicament we find ourselves in I thing it's an excellent swap for both clubs - we get a someone with a tough mentallity to help us out of the scrap and they get someone who can be exciting but is more suited to rugby union.

Babbsy wrote:
Please don't lump me in with anybody who's complained about Daley for any reason. I have never said a bad word about the man. For us to have had a player with as much ability as he has been an honour for a club in our position. He isn't lazy, he's a ruddy winger. He is inconsistent, that's why he's League 2, but ask any League 2 manager which player they'd fear most in our side and you would unanimously here the words: Omar Daley. On his day he can turn a match on it's head. Why could he do it for McCall and not for Taylor? The answer's obvious. I am outraged, and I am outraged by Taylor. It's not an excuse to have a pop, it's because I feel sick to the core with all this. HE IS DESTROYING OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. As far as I'm concerned people like you will have the blood on their hands come the ultimate demise of our club that Taylor is leading us towards. He has replaced our club's biggest asset with another bruiser who's past his sell by date. I am outraged, absolutely outraged. Check what teh Rotherham fans think - They've got the deal of the Century in their minds. Thing is every other club's fans rate Daley apart from the majority of his own.

You have no idea who opposition managers are most worried about in our team. However, if you are anywhere near correct you will probably find they are worried about Daley having his one game in twenty, not about Daleys normal contribution.

Bingley Chicken wrote:

Babbsy wrote: Please don't lump me in with anybody who's complained about Daley for any reason. I have never said a bad word about the man. For us to have had a player with as much ability as he has been an honour for a club in our position. He isn't lazy, he's a ruddy winger. He is inconsistent, that's why he's League 2, but ask any League 2 manager which player they'd fear most in our side and you would unanimously here the words: Omar Daley. On his day he can turn a match on it's head. Why could he do it for McCall and not for Taylor? The answer's obvious. I am outraged, and I am outraged by Taylor. It's not an excuse to have a pop, it's because I feel sick to the core with all this. HE IS DESTROYING OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. As far as I'm concerned people like you will have the blood on their hands come the ultimate demise of our club that Taylor is leading us towards. He has replaced our club's biggest asset with another bruiser who's past his sell by date. I am outraged, absolutely outraged. Check what teh Rotherham fans think - They've got the deal of the Century in their minds. Thing is every other club's fans rate Daley apart from the majority of his own.

You have no idea who opposition managers are most worried about in our team. However, if you are anywhere near correct you will probably find they are worried about Daley having his one game in twenty, not about Daleys normal contribution.

Thanks very much for pointing out for me what I do, and don't know Sir. I don't know if you are aware but managers started doing press interviews before and after matches post World War One - Omar Daley is often referred to as the one to watch. I'm sure you'll be very happy watching us clog it to a carthorse again on Saturday. What a set of 'fans' we have. probably one of the idiots who booed Omar off in the last match because he was utterly bemused by Taylor's bizarre formations and tactics. Anyway, I'm sure he's going to a club where he'll be appreciated now, and I'm sure when he's playing in a side like Rotherham who actually endeavour to score goals he'll be straight up the league of top assist makers. I find your views shortsighted in the extreme, but then that's a lot of our support's problem - They can't appreciate the bigger picture.

Babbsy wrote:

Bingley Chicken wrote:

Babbsy wrote: Please don't lump me in with anybody who's complained about Daley for any reason. I have never said a bad word about the man. For us to have had a player with as much ability as he has been an honour for a club in our position. He isn't lazy, he's a ruddy winger. He is inconsistent, that's why he's League 2, but ask any League 2 manager which player they'd fear most in our side and you would unanimously here the words: Omar Daley. On his day he can turn a match on it's head. Why could he do it for McCall and not for Taylor? The answer's obvious. I am outraged, and I am outraged by Taylor. It's not an excuse to have a pop, it's because I feel sick to the core with all this. HE IS DESTROYING OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. As far as I'm concerned people like you will have the blood on their hands come the ultimate demise of our club that Taylor is leading us towards. He has replaced our club's biggest asset with another bruiser who's past his sell by date. I am outraged, absolutely outraged. Check what teh Rotherham fans think - They've got the deal of the Century in their minds. Thing is every other club's fans rate Daley apart from the majority of his own.

You have no idea who opposition managers are most worried about in our team. However, if you are anywhere near correct you will probably find they are worried about Daley having his one game in twenty, not about Daleys normal contribution.

Thanks very much for pointing out for me what I do, and don't know Sir. I don't know if you are aware but managers started doing press interviews before and after matches post World War One - Omar Daley is often referred to as the one to watch. I'm sure you'll be very happy watching us clog it to a carthorse again on Saturday. What a set of 'fans' we have. probably one of the idiots who booed Omar off in the last match because he was utterly bemused by Taylor's bizarre formations and tactics. Anyway, I'm sure he's going to a club where he'll be appreciated now, and I'm sure when he's playing in a side like Rotherham who actually endeavour to score goals he'll be straight up the league of top assist makers. I find your views shortsighted in the extreme, but then that's a lot of our support's problem - They can't appreciate the bigger picture.

You have no idea whether I boo players or not. A managers 'sound bite' in interview is worth nothing, we should know PT has been at it all season. Short sighted would be the fan demonstrating outside the ground because they know better than everyone. The bigger picture is that Daley would still go if we drop into the BSP and he's not the player for the fight to avoid going there.

Greatly enjoy Mike Harrison s Radio Leeds comments and he was spot on with Omar - "he brought the ball down superbly, turned on a sixpence and promptly found their right back with an inch perfect pass". Frustrating player but scored some cracking goals. Sadly still be a little chilly for him at the Don Valley.

mozart564 wrote:
Greatly enjoy Mike Harrison s Radio Leeds comments and he was spot on with Omar - "he brought the ball down superbly, turned on a sixpence and promptly found their right back with an inch perfect pass". Frustrating player but scored some cracking goals. Sadly still be a little chilly for him at the Don Valley.

Concise and to the point. Well put sir.

Just for information, my post(s) were not either slating or promoting Daleythis time, I was merely pointing out that all the seniors coming into our team (again senior in football terms) will have an adverse effect on our speed at getting forward, although on the other hand the more experienced calmer heads may not require the speed but play sensible football to win the games instead. This is of course if Taylor allows attacking football in a sensible formation.

By the way what would happen if we went into the BSP? obviously we wouldnt be at VP as the fanbase would rapidly decrease to next to none, but would most if not all players be sold? would it mean new owners, fresh start etc???

Im not in anyway suggesting this as the way forward that would just be disaster for a club with an extensive history.

Just a question for my knowledge purposes!

hated this guy when he played against us.should be more effective than daley though.we are in a relegation fight!

I think that those with both praise and critisism of Daley have valid points. He is the one player we have who could be genuinely dangerous and yet rarely lived up to that promise.
However, Daley is a right winger who was never played in that position by Taylor. Even when he went wide he went left side so his end product on his weaker foot was usually poor.
Daley has been largely a non-event in his "free roaming" role and for that you have to ask what has Taylor been thinking all season in sticking with it?
It has been like playing with 10 men in most games - most fans can see that, why not the manager?
If he is seeing something different, it doesn't appear to be of any value becasue it has delivered nothing.
For me, that's why you have the contrast of a player in Daley that other managers / teams do cite as our biggest threat whilst the reality is he has been ineffective in almost every game.
The answer surely must be, play him in the right position?

Or am I missing something?

episode 10:
On the training ground
WJ: Right lads, gather round!!
PT: Can I introduce you to our latest LOAN acquisition...Kevin.
.. Ellison!!
Hanson: Another one!!
PT: Yep, Jimmy lad-and one who's gonna turn things round for me..er..us!! Now listen, the good news is Kevin's joining us for the next few months and will provide valuable 'muscle' to the team-I am sure we're gonna be STRONGER in defensive midfield, with him around. Now, the sad news is ..Omar's
going outa the club-I'm sorry to lose him..like Scott Neilson..I love wingers..I sincerely do-(hey, I used to be one myself) but there have to be 'sacrifices'!!
Hanson: But Gaffer, who's gonna provide the crosses with Daley, 'outahere?!!'
PT: Look, the name of the game is..'Play It Long, Play It narrow!!' THAT's the way we're gonna go up this league..besides, since I wasn't really playin' Omar as a winger anyway-we won't miss him a bit!!
Anyway..never mind all that..right lads..let's give Kevin here a big welcome, let him here our 'mantra..'
ALL: Aw do we HAVE to boss?
PT: Come on!!
ALL: .(reluctantly starting in a whisper).....'Four-o
ne, Four-all, all for one-behind the ball!!'
PT:LOUDER!
ALL: 'FOUR-ONE, FOUR-ONE, ALL
FOR ONE...............
'B-E-H-I-N-D THE BALL!!!!!'

Daley has provided very few crosses this season but he has brought some of the only forms of entertainment we have seen. Ellison is not a centre forward, he is a left winger who can and has played as a striker so before people wonder who will provide crosses for him do some research.
The more important point is will he be used as a wide man in a striking three, a wide man in a more conventional 442 or a striker in one of the above combos. Or even a wide man in a 451 with him and Evans given the supporting strikers roles coming in at the back stick to give us some big strong attacking options.
Whether we like Taylor or not, whether he will save us from the drop or not I think he is trying to do something to change our fortunes. Not many dice left to roll though.
All I will say regarding the noises I've heard re demos and Taylor out chants can I ask it is not prior or during the matches, let's give the lads half a chance to get some confidence and try gain enough points for safety, its what we all want, booing and slagging won't make that any easier.

I just can't wait for May, safety and the start of a new season.

"The Jamaican winger, City's longest-serving player, has completed a move to the promotion-chasing Millers this afternoon on a three-month emergency loan."

For it to be described as "An Emergency Loan"-Peter Taylor must have asked for Kevin Ellison, from Ronnie Moore.
In return Moore must have asked for Omar Daley; and I assume Taylor did not rate Daley as the man for our 'Battle for Survival'.
Will Daley be released for International Duty,I wonder?.Whilst at Rotherham.

Saturday's match is going to be very interesting, with the introduction of more new players,and a Team that does not know each other!!!.
It could be a success, but I fear a Loss; Plus a Demonstration after the match finishes(Even before it finishes!).

Daley is a luxury player. A luxury we are in no position to afford. He played when he felt like it. His last game will be testament to his attitude. I'd rather have a grafter than a prima donna. The Rotherham fans can think they have got a great deal - they'll soon change their minds. Our biggest mistake was keeping Daley and letting JJ go.
I'm more concerned that Eckersley has gone back TBH!

Can't believe some of the negative and aggressive comments on here. Many people have slated Daley week in, week out for being lazy and not interested. Kevin Ellison is a very good footballer at this level and I'm delighted he's come, provided he's fit. He puts himself about but is also skilful with an excellent left foot, good control, good shot and gets a few with his head, too. If he's played on the left of midfield, I think you'll find that he will put in more crosses in one match than Daley will for the rest of the season. One thing we really need for Hanson and Dobie is a supply of crosses in front of them, not hoofed from the back - which we have not had much this season. I wish Ellison well and hope that Daley finds more interest and form at Rotherham. Reading this board sometimes you'd think that the comments were about other teams - njot one we're supposed to support. Get behind the team or go somewhere else if you can't do that. Objective comments, fine, but I for one am thoroughly fed up of the constant character assasination of the directors, management and players.

I predicted earlier this season that Omar's days would be numbered under Taylor if he did not make a difference during his time on the pitch. As much as I like to see Omar when he is playing well he very rarely 'assists' with goals and his shooting has resulted in a lot of his good work going to waste. Bags of ability as regards taking on and beating players but unfortunately very little end result. We need players who are going to be effective, lets hope Ellison is that man. We will certainly have a number of hardened experienced players in the team from now to the end of the season -barring another injury crisis- so hopefully that will make a difference to our fortunes.

this is the last straw for me 52 years of hurt no more thanks for the few memories

shergar7 wrote:
this is the last straw for me 52 years of hurt no more thanks for the few memories

Sorry to hear that you've had enough after 52 years, but I'm sure many people will understand why. Supporting City has always been more of an endurance than an enjoyment but it kind of gets you in the blood. I haven't quite got to 52 years yet - not far off! - but great credit to you for managing so long. I hope the team turns it round and you feel like coming back again in the future. All the best and well done for your support over all those years.

I cannot be accused of anything other than defending Daley throughout his time at the club. I have also been consistent in criticism of taylor not having a winger at the club and thus wasting the likes of Hanson etc etc
i am thus hoping that Ellison can supply more crosses than Daley was capable of doing. However i am also hoping that Taylor allows this and if so would also question why this was not allowed earlier? Thus this move poses lots of...erm, questions.

What is certain as Lonnie alludes to is that Daley is not a Taylor type player. He stated as much early doors and the reason is simply daleys questionable discipline in the defending department. He then played him in the free role.

Daley began to play within himself and un-naturally in my opinion. he appeared totally confused in the 2nd half against Lincoln and the duality of his role under Taylor has definately weakened what he has to offer, thus allowing the frustrating aspects of his game to take over.

We will have to see how elison performs and i for one am very interested how Taylor will employ him.

I also wonder whether the move was sanctioned by the board in the hope that Daley will either be snapped-up by Rotherham if they get promotion or by another club seeing him in the shop window so-to-speak.

Taylor last night in the t and a and other recent sounbites/interviews sound ;ike a man scared to me. Someone who has now looking for every excuse he can to deflect his own failings.

I can see him getting a rough treament from fans on saturday. But knowing city has we do i can also see us going out and winning the game.

The fans have actually been extremely patient thus far and the last home match was really the first unified anti-taylor chants. Yes he as been criticised on forums and rightly so but we have all hoped that he may learn, change and rectify a failing method of management in pretty much every aspect of football management. he is now in my opnion indefensible.....

HURT ME MORE...When he let young Neilson leave the club!!
PLEASE LET THIS SEASON FINISH!!.........The
n its BYE BYE...TAYLOR!! oh...and JACOBS!!

Well the wheels will not be turning this week or the next. I have lost all interest until Taylor goes, the football is dire, the excuses are pathetic and now the tinker man continues what he does best and tinkers with another of his old players, thanks for saving me £40 in fuel.

Can't help thinking Taylor has dropped a clanger with this loan swap.Having said that i've always liked Ellison as a player going right back to his Wolverhampton days.One note of caution in regards to this player, he was described to me recently as having similar pace to Summerbee without his crossing ability lol.What you do get with Ellison is 100% effort and his ability to put his foot in or anything else where it hurts.Yeah he's an aggresive character.Good luck to Daley at Rotherham,hope to see you again in the BCFC Claret and Amber.CTID

Sorry boys, but I am of the opinion that this is a fantastic result for the club. Daley has exceptional talent and skill, but 'putting this on display' once in every 10 games isn't good enough. How many times have we seen him go on a mazy run only to shoot high and wide? How many times have we seen him take on a defence only to try to do it again and lose possession? How many times have we seen him skip past a couple of players but fail to make the cross? Very exciting player but equally, or more so, he is very frustrating!
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As for Ellison, McCall tried to sign him when he was released by Chester. I was gutted when he joined Rovrum instead, as he is a quality player. If you don't believe me, look back at my posts around that time. Ellison will bring something different to the table and I, for one, am happy about it. Just a shame we couldn't get a right winger for the other side. That said, Evans puts in more crosses for Hanson than Daley did!!!!

I don't think the loss of Daley is as big a disaster as some fans fear.

We're in for a scrap and Ellison is the better option to add some much needed "steel" to the team.

As regulars on here are more than aware, I've been one of Peter Taylor's biggest detractors on here but it's highly likely he'll be here to the seasons end, when he'll depart.

Despite differing views, we all have one aim, to ensure City's league status.

I can understand the strong views but demonstrating won't help us and probably won't sway the Directors. If you're not happy, register your disgust by staying away.

And all I can ask is that those who go Saturday, get behind the team like it's a cup tie. It really is a crunch game and the consequences of defeat could be far reaching.

The team needs all the support it

Ten quid says Daley scores on Saturday!

He never frustrated me as i new he was a fourth divsion player, Daley had the ability to score goals,you wont get any more from Ellison,Daley could cross a ball,you wont find Ellison doing it any more often or more accurately,Daley is probably the fastest player in the divsion,Ellison hasn't got that sort of pace.Daley did work for the team but putting in 90 minutes hard graft wasn't his game,Ellisons human so he'll also have poor games,but his game is giving 100% all the time even if he's playing poorly and with an aggresive edge.Daley has the ability to beat 1,2,3 players in a mazy run,that isn't Ellisons game,he's got the ability to pick a quality pass out which is something we've been lacking for sure this season.Obviously Taylor doesn't rate Daley and probably never has,i believe Lawn also holds the same view,Daley being a high earner probably Irks him,if this is the case it's surprising Daley's lasted so long at the club.I'm a big fan of Ellison,he'll certainly bring something to the table which we don't have at the minute but to swap Daley for him is imo crazy as i believe BCFC have lost far more.Three points against Wycombe will of course put all this to bed.CTID

I think this is a good move by Taylor.

Daley's not the man for a relegation scrap and I've always been impressed by Ellison when he has played at VP for Chester and Rotherham.

I bet some of our supporters moaning about him leaving are those that abused Daley when he was subbed off against Lincoln - Morons.

Good luck to Omar at Rotherham.

silverbantam wrote:
I think this is a good move by Taylor. Daley's not the man for a relegation scrap and I've always been impressed by Ellison when he has played at VP for Chester and Rotherham. I bet some of our supporters moaning about him leaving are those that abused Daley when he was subbed off against Lincoln - Morons. Good luck to Omar at Rotherham.

I can only speak for myself but i have never slagged any BCFC player off at a match,I believe that abuse of our players is self defeating,i support the team all the time and that includes all the players.I agree with you in regards to fans that abuse. Good luck to Ellison and the rest of the lads on Saturday and all the best to Daley at Rotherham.CTID

daley has been rubbish all season (along with most others) he had the worst game ever gainst lincoln, so for me he's no loss, the new guy cant be any worse(please).
i've been passed apperly bridge 4 times in the last 2 days and seen no sign of anybody training, where the hell are they its not like they dont need the practice!

Ellison will cross fewer times than Daley has? The last cross I remember from Daley was last season and it was overhit, rescued by Evans from which he scored. It may be by memory and Omar may have been our bestest, greatest crosser ever but I don't think so.
This team is set up far better to accept an Ellison than a Daley. Let's hope this is proved to be the case.
Save the abuse guys, let's give it to the ref, the lino, the ops but not our lads OR manager YET.

The headline I have been waiting for for over three years. We've swapped a sprinter for a footballer. I've been bemused for four years as to how Daley could be so popular when he delivers so little. Praise the lord he is finally gone. Daley is definitely the worst ever player that has played more than 100 games for City. This is also the first decent thing that Ronnie Moore has ever done for Bradford City...actually looking forward to Saturday now.

Pro's and con's for this move!!

I agree with a lot points that have been rised.

Demonstration after the match, IF CITY LOSE ON SATURDAY..... City fan's DONT HAVE IT IN THEM.

Babbsy wrote:
Please don't lump me in with anybody who's complained about Daley for any reason. I have never said a bad word about the man. For us to have had a player with as much ability as he has been an honour for a club in our position. He isn't lazy, he's a ruddy winger. He is inconsistent, that's why he's League 2, but ask any League 2 manager which player they'd fear most in our side and you would unanimously here the words: Omar Daley. On his day he can turn a match on it's head. Why could he do it for McCall and not for Taylor? The answer's obvious. I am outraged, and I am outraged by Taylor. It's not an excuse to have a pop, it's because I feel sick to the core with all this. HE IS DESTROYING OUR FOOTBALL CLUB. As far as I'm concerned people like you will have the blood on their hands come the ultimate demise of our club that Taylor is leading us towards. He has replaced our club's biggest asset with another bruiser who's past his sell by date. I am outraged, absolutely outraged. Check what teh Rotherham fans think - They've got the deal of the Century in their minds. Thing is every other club's fans rate Daley apart from the majority of his own.

Spot on Babs.
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The majority of level headed fans were able to accept Daley's off days for all the good things he has done for us. Unfortunately, he has been a scapegoat for some of our fans for quite a while and these are the ones who will be pleased at this news - well done, all is clear for Ozzy Osbourne now.
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Ellison is an awful player who only ever seems to play half decent against us. Yet another part of Taylor's old boys club and another loan player who has no interest in the future position of our team.
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TAYLOR OUT!

dannbradfc wrote:
I cannot be accused of anything other than defending Daley throughout his time at the club. I have also been consistent in criticism of taylor not having a winger at the club and thus wasting the likes of Hanson etc etc i am thus hoping that Ellison can supply more crosses than Daley was capable of doing. However i am also hoping that Taylor allows this and if so would also question why this was not allowed earlier? Thus this move poses lots of...erm, questions. What is certain as Lonnie alludes to is that Daley is not a Taylor type player. He stated as much early doors and the reason is simply daleys questionable discipline in the defending department. He then played him in the free role. Daley began to play within himself and un-naturally in my opinion. he appeared totally confused in the 2nd half against Lincoln and the duality of his role under Taylor has definately weakened what he has to offer, thus allowing the frustrating aspects of his game to take over. We will have to see how elison performs and i for one am very interested how Taylor will employ him. I also wonder whether the move was sanctioned by the board in the hope that Daley will either be snapped-up by Rotherham if they get promotion or by another club seeing him in the shop window so-to-speak. Taylor last night in the t and a and other recent sounbites/interviews sound ;ike a man scared to me. Someone who has now looking for every excuse he can to deflect his own failings. I can see him getting a rough treament from fans on saturday. But knowing city has we do i can also see us going out and winning the game. The fans have actually been extremely patient thus far and the last home match was really the first unified anti-taylor chants. Yes he as been criticised on forums and rightly so but we have all hoped that he may learn, change and rectify a failing method of management in pretty much every aspect of football management. he is now in my opnion indefensible.....

Good post Lonnie.

harrogatebantam31 wrote:

dannbradfc wrote: I cannot be accused of anything other than defending Daley throughout his time at the club. I have also been consistent in criticism of taylor not having a winger at the club and thus wasting the likes of Hanson etc etc i am thus hoping that Ellison can supply more crosses than Daley was capable of doing. However i am also hoping that Taylor allows this and if so would also question why this was not allowed earlier? Thus this move poses lots of...erm, questions. What is certain as Lonnie alludes to is that Daley is not a Taylor type player. He stated as much early doors and the reason is simply daleys questionable discipline in the defending department. He then played him in the free role. Daley began to play within himself and un-naturally in my opinion. he appeared totally confused in the 2nd half against Lincoln and the duality of his role under Taylor has definately weakened what he has to offer, thus allowing the frustrating aspects of his game to take over. We will have to see how elison performs and i for one am very interested how Taylor will employ him. I also wonder whether the move was sanctioned by the board in the hope that Daley will either be snapped-up by Rotherham if they get promotion or by another club seeing him in the shop window so-to-speak. Taylor last night in the t and a and other recent sounbites/interviews sound ;ike a man scared to me. Someone who has now looking for every excuse he can to deflect his own failings. I can see him getting a rough treament from fans on saturday. But knowing city has we do i can also see us going out and winning the game. The fans have actually been extremely patient thus far and the last home match was really the first unified anti-taylor chants. Yes he as been criticised on forums and rightly so but we have all hoped that he may learn, change and rectify a failing method of management in pretty much every aspect of football management. he is now in my opnion indefensible.....

Good post Lonnie.

Sorry Dann, I meant you! It's because you mentioned Lonnie in the post!

dannbradfc wrote:
I cannot be accused of anything other than defending Daley throughout his time at the club. I have also been consistent in criticism of taylor not having a winger at the club and thus wasting the likes of Hanson etc etc i am thus hoping that Ellison can supply more crosses than Daley was capable of doing. However i am also hoping that Taylor allows this and if so would also question why this was not allowed earlier? Thus this move poses lots of...erm, questions. What is certain as Lonnie alludes to is that Daley is not a Taylor type player. He stated as much early doors and the reason is simply daleys questionable discipline in the defending department. He then played him in the free role. Daley began to play within himself and un-naturally in my opinion. he appeared totally confused in the 2nd half against Lincoln and the duality of his role under Taylor has definately weakened what he has to offer, thus allowing the frustrating aspects of his game to take over. We will have to see how elison performs and i for one am very interested how Taylor will employ him. I also wonder whether the move was sanctioned by the board in the hope that Daley will either be snapped-up by Rotherham if they get promotion or by another club seeing him in the shop window so-to-speak. Taylor last night in the t and a and other recent sounbites/interviews sound ;ike a man scared to me. Someone who has now looking for every excuse he can to deflect his own failings. I can see him getting a rough treament from fans on saturday. But knowing city has we do i can also see us going out and winning the game. The fans have actually been extremely patient thus far and the last home match was really the first unified anti-taylor chants. Yes he as been criticised on forums and rightly so but we have all hoped that he may learn, change and rectify a failing method of management in pretty much every aspect of football management. he is now in my opnion indefensible.....

Hah

Hope for omar's sake he police in rotherham are as soft as Bradford otherwise he may be done for theft of wages, too many years he has robbed a salary of Bradford I've seen scarecrows move more. Best thing Taylor has done all season and gives us a fighting chance

I've said on numerous occasions that Daley is a frustrating player, but at the same time I believe he is the only genuine matchwinner that we've got.

I don't think there is anyone else capable of scoring goals like his 2nd against Oxford, and the volley against Bury.

I think Ellison is a useful player, and a handful, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the matchwinner category.

Although he can play left wing in a 4-4-2, I certainly wouldn't class him as an out and out winger, who can beat a man and get to the byline. I would therefore expect him to start on the left in a 4-3-3, and this was just when you thought our play couldn't get any narrower!

Even taking into account the results, I think this swap symbolises why there is great apathy towards Taylor, as he appears to prefer functionality over flair.

Bradford1903 wrote:
I've said on numerous occasions that Daley is a frustrating player, but at the same time I believe he is the only genuine matchwinner that we've got.

I don't think there is anyone else capable of scoring goals like his 2nd against Oxford, and the volley against Bury.

I think Ellison is a useful player, and a handful, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the matchwinner category.

Although he can play left wing in a 4-4-2, I certainly wouldn't class him as an out and out winger, who can beat a man and get to the byline. I would therefore expect him to start on the left in a 4-3-3, and this was just when you thought our play couldn't get any narrower!

Even taking into account the results, I think this swap symbolises why there is great apathy towards Taylor, as he appears to prefer functionality over flair.

I respect your views and I put you in the category of one of a few that put their points across respectfully. I agree with most of your views but not all and this falls into that.
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As you say, Daley is a frustrating player (and rarely delivers what he is capable of). I also agree with your comments that he is the only genuine matchwinner we have.
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However, that is where our agreements end. Ellison has won more than his fair share of games and although he won't get to the byline, he does get in his crosses. Does Beckham ever get to the byline? Does he deliver crosses for the strikers? Gareth Evans has his flaws and many fans are against him, but he still puts in more crosses for Hanson than Daley, our supposedly only winger!
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Ellison will start on the left of a 4-3-3 and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles.
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For whatever reason, Daley has just not got going since his injury and even when he has used his burst of pace, his end product has been dire. And I have been saying that for many seasons now.
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This season (to date), has seen Ellison assist three times to Daley's one! Even Speight has assisted once! That said, Daley has scored four goals (two of them in one game), whereas Ellison has only scored three.
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Ellison assisted four times last season to Daley's zero, albeit, he did miss five months of the season. Zesh Rehman managed one assist! Ellison scored eight times to Daley's one.
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The season before, the one that Daley was voted Players' POTS in, he managed a total of three assists (Colbeck managed 9 and Nicky Law 8), whilst Ellison (whilst playing for Chester who were eventually relegated, managed four assists. In terms of goals, Daley scored three to Ellison's eight!
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If we are going on what is actually done to affect the game, rather than excitement, Ellison has contributed MORE THAN TWICE as much as Daley over the past three seasons and if he can do the same for us, that will be enough excitement for me!!!!

Waynus71 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I've said on numerous occasions that Daley is a frustrating player, but at the same time I believe he is the only genuine matchwinner that we've got. I don't think there is anyone else capable of scoring goals like his 2nd against Oxford, and the volley against Bury. I think Ellison is a useful player, and a handful, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the matchwinner category. Although he can play left wing in a 4-4-2, I certainly wouldn't class him as an out and out winger, who can beat a man and get to the byline. I would therefore expect him to start on the left in a 4-3-3, and this was just when you thought our play couldn't get any narrower! Even taking into account the results, I think this swap symbolises why there is great apathy towards Taylor, as he appears to prefer functionality over flair.

I respect your views and I put you in the category of one of a few that put their points across respectfully. I agree with most of your views but not all and this falls into that. . As you say, Daley is a frustrating player (and rarely delivers what he is capable of). I also agree with your comments that he is the only genuine matchwinner we have. . However, that is where our agreements end. Ellison has won more than his fair share of games and although he won't get to the byline, he does get in his crosses. Does Beckham ever get to the byline? Does he deliver crosses for the strikers? Gareth Evans has his flaws and many fans are against him, but he still puts in more crosses for Hanson than Daley, our supposedly only winger! . Ellison will start on the left of a 4-3-3 and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles. . For whatever reason, Daley has just not got going since his injury and even when he has used his burst of pace, his end product has been dire. And I have been saying that for many seasons now. . This season (to date), has seen Ellison assist three times to Daley's one! Even Speight has assisted once! That said, Daley has scored four goals (two of them in one game), whereas Ellison has only scored three. . Ellison assisted four times last season to Daley's zero, albeit, he did miss five months of the season. Zesh Rehman managed one assist! Ellison scored eight times to Daley's one. . The season before, the one that Daley was voted Players' POTS in, he managed a total of three assists (Colbeck managed 9 and Nicky Law 8), whilst Ellison (whilst playing for Chester who were eventually relegated, managed four assists. In terms of goals, Daley scored three to Ellison's eight! . If we are going on what is actually done to affect the game, rather than excitement, Ellison has contributed MORE THAN TWICE as much as Daley over the past three seasons and if he can do the same for us, that will be enough excitement for me!!!!

What this joker above fails to tell you is Ellison scored eight times in 39 games compared to Daley's 3 times in 29 games lol..i guess you can prove any thing with stats if you don't give them all lol, of course the actual players who were marking Daley that season voted Daley PFA player of the year in his position.If the appearances are factored in giving both players the same league appearances..Daley 119 - 14 goals,Ellison 119- 25 goals,hardly the picture painted by stat man above.If you factor in Daley's career threatening injury,he played games after recovering from this injury the following New Year while still obviously not fully fit with a massive question mark both in his own mind and the supporters as to whether he'd ever regain the pace he had,it says alot for Daley's character that he's recovered fully and is still capable of searing pace,the fear factor in regards to him being double teamed(the opposition changing full backs during games on occasions),which should in theory give other BCFC players space,his ability to produce world class goals albeit too few,but as i've said many times,if he'd have been more consistent and prolific Daley would be playing at a higher level.the correct break down of stats is starting with this season...Daley 21-4 Ellison 23-3 /Daley 14-1 Ellison 42-11/Daley 29-3 Ellison 39-8/Daley 41-4 Ellison 15-3/ Daley 14-2.....I'm no expert on stats lol but the last 14 appearances by Daley give each player 119,i'm guessing that the fairest comparison.Good luck to both players,3 points against Wycombe would be a good start.CTID

He'll probably be on the bench but maybe worth a shot

and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles.

The following refers to your quote above waynus.

How can you continue to defend a system that is constantly failing. Stuart was also guilty of inconsistent results when he applied this system.

taylors use is even worse in that he set the whole squad up to be able to operate this way and yet it has failed miserably. We have some players who can operate a 451 e.g. i believe O'Brein would make a good wing-back.

the current system has holes and gaps everywhere that are easy to exploit by any team willing to pass the ball and move. The 4 3 3 does not work and i point to the results and table as evidence. We have neither the personnel nor i feel are in the right division to employ this system. You can argue that Taylor has gotten promoted before with it but i would suggest that his Wycombe team for instance were far bigger and taller than our current lot and aggressive football was deployed. As i say we don't have the personnel for this. Plus i don't think that the bradford supporters like that style of playing as taylor has found out.

My conclusion in regards to your post is that the system has hardly been functional this season

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I've said on numerous occasions that Daley is a frustrating player, but at the same time I believe he is the only genuine matchwinner that we've got. I don't think there is anyone else capable of scoring goals like his 2nd against Oxford, and the volley against Bury. I think Ellison is a useful player, and a handful, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the matchwinner category. Although he can play left wing in a 4-4-2, I certainly wouldn't class him as an out and out winger, who can beat a man and get to the byline. I would therefore expect him to start on the left in a 4-3-3, and this was just when you thought our play couldn't get any narrower! Even taking into account the results, I think this swap symbolises why there is great apathy towards Taylor, as he appears to prefer functionality over flair.

I respect your views and I put you in the category of one of a few that put their points across respectfully. I agree with most of your views but not all and this falls into that. . As you say, Daley is a frustrating player (and rarely delivers what he is capable of). I also agree with your comments that he is the only genuine matchwinner we have. . However, that is where our agreements end. Ellison has won more than his fair share of games and although he won't get to the byline, he does get in his crosses. Does Beckham ever get to the byline? Does he deliver crosses for the strikers? Gareth Evans has his flaws and many fans are against him, but he still puts in more crosses for Hanson than Daley, our supposedly only winger! . Ellison will start on the left of a 4-3-3 and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles. . For whatever reason, Daley has just not got going since his injury and even when he has used his burst of pace, his end product has been dire. And I have been saying that for many seasons now. . This season (to date), has seen Ellison assist three times to Daley's one! Even Speight has assisted once! That said, Daley has scored four goals (two of them in one game), whereas Ellison has only scored three. . Ellison assisted four times last season to Daley's zero, albeit, he did miss five months of the season. Zesh Rehman managed one assist! Ellison scored eight times to Daley's one. . The season before, the one that Daley was voted Players' POTS in, he managed a total of three assists (Colbeck managed 9 and Nicky Law 8), whilst Ellison (whilst playing for Chester who were eventually relegated, managed four assists. In terms of goals, Daley scored three to Ellison's eight! . If we are going on what is actually done to affect the game, rather than excitement, Ellison has contributed MORE THAN TWICE as much as Daley over the past three seasons and if he can do the same for us, that will be enough excitement for me!!!!

What this joker above fails to tell you is Ellison scored eight times in 39 games compared to Daley's 3 times in 29 games lol..i guess you can prove any thing with stats if you don't give them all lol, of course the actual players who were marking Daley that season voted Daley PFA player of the year in his position.If the appearances are factored in giving both players the same league appearances..Daley 119 - 14 goals,Ellison 119- 25 goals,hardly the picture painted by stat man above.If you factor in Daley's career threatening injury,he played games after recovering from this injury the following New Year while still obviously not fully fit with a massive question mark both in his own mind and the supporters as to whether he'd ever regain the pace he had,it says alot for Daley's character that he's recovered fully and is still capable of searing pace,the fear factor in regards to him being double teamed(the opposition changing full backs during games on occasions),which should in theory give other BCFC players space,his ability to produce world class goals albeit too few,but as i've said many times,if he'd have been more consistent and prolific Daley would be playing at a higher level.the correct break down of stats is starting with this season...Daley 21-4 Ellison 23-3 /Daley 14-1 Ellison 42-11/Daley 29-3 Ellison 39-8/Daley 41-4 Ellison 15-3/ Daley 14-2.....I'm no expert on stats lol but the last 14 appearances by Daley give each player 119,i'm guessing that the fairest comparison.Good luck to both players,3 points against Wycombe would be a good start.CTID

Yet again you reseort to name calling and abuse just because I don't share the blinkered views of your talisman!
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You have provided your own set of stats and this shows that Ellison has still scored more goals over the course of the last few seasons than Daley. However, as both are left wingers, can you also supply evidence to the jury as to who had the most assists during this period????
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I'm not a 'joker', but I refuse to be shoe-horned into believing Daley is any better than an average/below average league 2 player. As I have said many times over the past few seasons, on HIS DAY Daley is a Championship player, but far too often he is Premiership quality.....BLUE SQUARE PREMIERSHIP!!
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You still cite Daley's career threatening injury as justification of him still not being back to his best. Let me ask you how many games (as you claim he is our only potential matchwinner) he has actually won for us this season? Yes, he turned on the style in a couple of games (halves) this season, but he is hardly pulling up trees is he?
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How many times this season have we seen his burst of pace leave the full-back for dead? How many times, this season, have we seen fullbacks been withdrawn from the game because he has done them? How many dangerous crosses has he put in for his strike partners/forwards? He is a pacey winger but rarely gets to the by-line.
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I understand the viewpoint of making an assessment on comparable data. As such, I have looked at all the stats available since our relegation, including the 07/08 season (prior to Daley's "career threatening injury").
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The figures read as follows;
Total Appearances for Daley - 104 with 12 goals (at a ratio of 1-in-8.7). He totalled 8 assists in that time, (again at a ratio of 1-in-13 games).
Ellison played a total of 137 games and scored 30 goals (at a ratio of 1-in-4.6). He totalled 14 assists over the same period, (with a ratio of 1-in-9.8 games).
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In the 2007/08 season (i.e. before Daley's injury), Ellison played 36 games scoring 11 goals and making 3 others. Daley clocked up 41 appearances, scoring just 4 times with a further 4 assists. I know who's stats stack up better in my eyes, but I will let others judge for themselves!
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Is that a fair enough comparison for you or are you going to defend Daley by saying he was adjusting to life in League 2!!
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I have said it before and I will say it again; we do not agree on Daley's contribution to our team. Why do my views on him irk you so much????

dannbradfc wrote:
and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles. The following refers to your quote above waynus. How can you continue to defend a system that is constantly failing. Stuart was also guilty of inconsistent results when he applied this system. taylors use is even worse in that he set the whole squad up to be able to operate this way and yet it has failed miserably. We have some players who can operate a 451 e.g. i believe O'Brein would make a good wing-back. the current system has holes and gaps everywhere that are easy to exploit by any team willing to pass the ball and move. The 4 3 3 does not work and i point to the results and table as evidence. We have neither the personnel nor i feel are in the right division to employ this system. You can argue that Taylor has gotten promoted before with it but i would suggest that his Wycombe team for instance were far bigger and taller than our current lot and aggressive football was deployed. As i say we don't have the personnel for this. Plus i don't think that the bradford supporters like that style of playing as taylor has found out. My conclusion in regards to your post is that the system has hardly been functional this season

Fair points Dann, but I would suggest the system DID work at the back end of last season with the right personnel. Personally, I don't like the system, but it appears Taylor is going to persevere and will change the players rather than the system to suit. With that in mind, Ellison for Daley has to be a good move.
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You say we are not as 'big' as Wycombe were. However, week by week, we are getting bigger. We now have a front three of Hanson, Ellison & Evans (all over 6ft), with Adeyemi in the middle (possibly with Bully when fit) and a fairly tall central defence. No, we haven't got height in all positions, but I know Wycombe didn't either.
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I do agree with you that the system is constantly failing for us, but that doesn't mean the system is technically wrong, just that we haven't used the correct players. Grant, Evans & Osborne proved it can work and they aren't the greatest players in the World.
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I also understand where you are coming from with regards O'B. The one advantage of playing this shape is that it will allow O'B to go past Ellison, and giving us more options. For whatever reason, Daley rarely used that tactic and either cut inside or set off running and left O'B in his wake. I genuinely believe it gives us a better balance, although I agree with you that it would have been better to have had more than one style of play up our sleeves.

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I've said on numerous occasions that Daley is a frustrating player, but at the same time I believe he is the only genuine matchwinner that we've got. I don't think there is anyone else capable of scoring goals like his 2nd against Oxford, and the volley against Bury. I think Ellison is a useful player, and a handful, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the matchwinner category. Although he can play left wing in a 4-4-2, I certainly wouldn't class him as an out and out winger, who can beat a man and get to the byline. I would therefore expect him to start on the left in a 4-3-3, and this was just when you thought our play couldn't get any narrower! Even taking into account the results, I think this swap symbolises why there is great apathy towards Taylor, as he appears to prefer functionality over flair.

I respect your views and I put you in the category of one of a few that put their points across respectfully. I agree with most of your views but not all and this falls into that. . As you say, Daley is a frustrating player (and rarely delivers what he is capable of). I also agree with your comments that he is the only genuine matchwinner we have. . However, that is where our agreements end. Ellison has won more than his fair share of games and although he won't get to the byline, he does get in his crosses. Does Beckham ever get to the byline? Does he deliver crosses for the strikers? Gareth Evans has his flaws and many fans are against him, but he still puts in more crosses for Hanson than Daley, our supposedly only winger! . Ellison will start on the left of a 4-3-3 and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles. . For whatever reason, Daley has just not got going since his injury and even when he has used his burst of pace, his end product has been dire. And I have been saying that for many seasons now. . This season (to date), has seen Ellison assist three times to Daley's one! Even Speight has assisted once! That said, Daley has scored four goals (two of them in one game), whereas Ellison has only scored three. . Ellison assisted four times last season to Daley's zero, albeit, he did miss five months of the season. Zesh Rehman managed one assist! Ellison scored eight times to Daley's one. . The season before, the one that Daley was voted Players' POTS in, he managed a total of three assists (Colbeck managed 9 and Nicky Law 8), whilst Ellison (whilst playing for Chester who were eventually relegated, managed four assists. In terms of goals, Daley scored three to Ellison's eight! . If we are going on what is actually done to affect the game, rather than excitement, Ellison has contributed MORE THAN TWICE as much as Daley over the past three seasons and if he can do the same for us, that will be enough excitement for me!!!!

What this joker above fails to tell you is Ellison scored eight times in 39 games compared to Daley's 3 times in 29 games lol..i guess you can prove any thing with stats if you don't give them all lol, of course the actual players who were marking Daley that season voted Daley PFA player of the year in his position.If the appearances are factored in giving both players the same league appearances..Daley 119 - 14 goals,Ellison 119- 25 goals,hardly the picture painted by stat man above.If you factor in Daley's career threatening injury,he played games after recovering from this injury the following New Year while still obviously not fully fit with a massive question mark both in his own mind and the supporters as to whether he'd ever regain the pace he had,it says alot for Daley's character that he's recovered fully and is still capable of searing pace,the fear factor in regards to him being double teamed(the opposition changing full backs during games on occasions),which should in theory give other BCFC players space,his ability to produce world class goals albeit too few,but as i've said many times,if he'd have been more consistent and prolific Daley would be playing at a higher level.the correct break down of stats is starting with this season...Daley 21-4 Ellison 23-3 /Daley 14-1 Ellison 42-11/Daley 29-3 Ellison 39-8/Daley 41-4 Ellison 15-3/ Daley 14-2.....I'm no expert on stats lol but the last 14 appearances by Daley give each player 119,i'm guessing that the fairest comparison.Good luck to both players,3 points against Wycombe would be a good start.CTID

Yet again you reseort to name calling and abuse just because I don't share the blinkered views of your talisman! . You have provided your own set of stats and this shows that Ellison has still scored more goals over the course of the last few seasons than Daley. However, as both are left wingers, can you also supply evidence to the jury as to who had the most assists during this period???? . I'm not a 'joker', but I refuse to be shoe-horned into believing Daley is any better than an average/below average league 2 player. As I have said many times over the past few seasons, on HIS DAY Daley is a Championship player, but far too often he is Premiership quality.....BLUE SQUARE PREMIERSHIP!! . You still cite Daley's career threatening injury as justification of him still not being back to his best. Let me ask you how many games (as you claim he is our only potential matchwinner) he has actually won for us this season? Yes, he turned on the style in a couple of games (halves) this season, but he is hardly pulling up trees is he? . How many times this season have we seen his burst of pace leave the full-back for dead? How many times, this season, have we seen fullbacks been withdrawn from the game because he has done them? How many dangerous crosses has he put in for his strike partners/forwards? He is a pacey winger but rarely gets to the by-line. . I understand the viewpoint of making an assessment on comparable data. As such, I have looked at all the stats available since our relegation, including the 07/08 season (prior to Daley's "career threatening injury"). . The figures read as follows; Total Appearances for Daley - 104 with 12 goals (at a ratio of 1-in-8.7). He totalled 8 assists in that time, (again at a ratio of 1-in-13 games). Ellison played a total of 137 games and scored 30 goals (at a ratio of 1-in-4.6). He totalled 14 assists over the same period, (with a ratio of 1-in-9.8 games). . In the 2007/08 season (i.e. before Daley's injury), Ellison played 36 games scoring 11 goals and making 3 others. Daley clocked up 41 appearances, scoring just 4 times with a further 4 assists. I know who's stats stack up better in my eyes, but I will let others judge for themselves! . Is that a fair enough comparison for you or are you going to defend Daley by saying he was adjusting to life in League 2!! . I have said it before and I will say it again; we do not agree on Daley's contribution to our team. Why do my views on him irk you so much????

I thought he was my glory boy lol,as for the name calling,weren't you the idiot calling Daley Forrest Gump,i guess with your ego it's one rule for the rest of us and one rule for you the gormless one.Since when have you said many times he's a Championship player on his day,of course he is, but you've said it once lol.The stats you dredge up are tripe at best,the way you manipulated the season when Daley won the PFA player of the season in his position without mentioning the games played is being economical with the stats lol.When applied in a fair way,Daley having played 119 games for BCFC,i simply went back 119 games in Ellisons career,your stats are pure garbage as they did not give a true picture of what both players bring to the table.You mention assists but you can't simply dismiss the effect Daley's presence on the pitch has on the tactics of the opposition,you can't simply dismiss the fact on many occasions the tactics used by the opposition must give room for other BCFC players to perform.Does that stat dustbin you call a mind really think that Ellison is going to be double teamed.You say Daley doesn't get to the bye line enough,is that Ellisons game,he's an average crosser of the football,is O'Brien going to be as effective without Daley taking markers away from him.Yeah we don't agree on this particular player,so what,stop bleating,you're sounding more and more like some kid who can't get his own way.I rate Ellison but i believe Taylor has made a mistake on this occasion.It'll be interesting to see how the rest of the season pans out in regards to BCFC and RUFC,i'm sure we'll be crossing swords again shortly lol.CTID

Never known any team use wingbacks in a four at the back system, surely it would be 3 5 2. Something for you both to have a think on.

Waynus71 wrote:

Bradford1903 wrote: I've said on numerous occasions that Daley is a frustrating player, but at the same time I believe he is the only genuine matchwinner that we've got. I don't think there is anyone else capable of scoring goals like his 2nd against Oxford, and the volley against Bury. I think Ellison is a useful player, and a handful, but I certainly wouldn't put him in the matchwinner category. Although he can play left wing in a 4-4-2, I certainly wouldn't class him as an out and out winger, who can beat a man and get to the byline. I would therefore expect him to start on the left in a 4-3-3, and this was just when you thought our play couldn't get any narrower! Even taking into account the results, I think this swap symbolises why there is great apathy towards Taylor, as he appears to prefer functionality over flair.

I respect your views and I put you in the category of one of a few that put their points across respectfully. I agree with most of your views but not all and this falls into that. . As you say, Daley is a frustrating player (and rarely delivers what he is capable of). I also agree with your comments that he is the only genuine matchwinner we have. . However, that is where our agreements end. Ellison has won more than his fair share of games and although he won't get to the byline, he does get in his crosses. Does Beckham ever get to the byline? Does he deliver crosses for the strikers? Gareth Evans has his flaws and many fans are against him, but he still puts in more crosses for Hanson than Daley, our supposedly only winger! . Ellison will start on the left of a 4-3-3 and although many dislike this system, with the right players, it is functional. It is the easiest system of being able to switch to 4-5-1 when we don't have the ball and squeeze the midfield, an area where we often lose the battles. . For whatever reason, Daley has just not got going since his injury and even when he has used his burst of pace, his end product has been dire. And I have been saying that for many seasons now. . This season (to date), has seen Ellison assist three times to Daley's one! Even Speight has assisted once! That said, Daley has scored four goals (two of them in one game), whereas Ellison has only scored three. . Ellison assisted four times last season to Daley's zero, albeit, he did miss five months of the season. Zesh Rehman managed one assist! Ellison scored eight times to Daley's one. . The season before, the one that Daley was voted Players' POTS in, he managed a total of three assists (Colbeck managed 9 and Nicky Law 8), whilst Ellison (whilst playing for Chester who were eventually relegated, managed four assists. In terms of goals, Daley scored three to Ellison's eight! . If we are going on what is actually done to affect the game, rather than excitement, Ellison has contributed MORE THAN TWICE as much as Daley over the past three seasons and if he can do the same for us, that will be enough excitement for me!!!!

I just feel that to help break down the opposition, you need someone that can offer you something a bit different, and create something out of nothing, which no matter how frustrating and inconsistent Daley is, he is our only player capable of.

Along with Osborne, he was our only other out and out winger in the squad, and his departure also leaves us desperately short of another weapon that helps break down the opposition; pace.

Right on the money Bradford 1903,don't expect stat man to work out how BCFC did when Daley didn't play compared to when he did during his 3 and a half seasons,that wont back his dodgy stats up,add to that the number of times Daley has been substituted with BCFC winning or drawing the game ,then for the team to lose.Like i said,i'm hopeing i'm wrong and Ellison can work some magic,we're all BCFC fans and nothing would please me more than Ellison to be a success,to stay in this league is key to the continued well being of Bradford City Football Club,three points against Wycombe would be a great start.CTID