Bradford City boss Taylor flies into a rage (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

he'snot good enough for jamaica and cerianlynot goodenough for us!

tyker wrote:
he'snot good enough for jamaica and cerianlynot goodenough for us!

That's it tyker, well done!
We've slagged the manager off enough for now, so let's start on the players!
OK, Omar has not been anything like this season, but he is returning from a really bad long term injury! Anyone with any knowledge of the game knows that after a long lay-off, it takes time to get back to being 100%. It is not like flicking a switch and all of a sudden you come back 100% without any getting back into it.
The clueless clowns on here who slag Omar off all of the time, need to give him time to get games, it will be after xmas before we see Omar back to his best again!!!

cluelss: his form had gone off well before his injury:coincidentall
y when he got his 3 year plus injury his form dipped alarmingly. He was always a one rick pony but now that trick has diminshed.

Did not PT have a serious go at him last season for his attitude!!!

so it's wrong for alleged clueless supporters to be critical of a player but a vastly experienced and superb manager like PT is right to publicly slam him?

supporters have a right to comment of how they see it:there are others on here who have consistently commented on Daley.


as for Daley being back to his best:you will have a very long wait!

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city442 wrote:

tyker wrote: he'snot good enough for jamaica and cerianlynot goodenough for us!

That's it tyker, well done! We've slagged the manager off enough for now, so let's start on the players! OK, Omar has not been anything like this season, but he is returning from a really bad long term injury! Anyone with any knowledge of the game knows that after a long lay-off, it takes time to get back to being 100%. It is not like flicking a switch and all of a sudden you come back 100% without any getting back into it. The clueless clowns on here who slag Omar off all of the time, need to give him time to get games, it will be after xmas before we see Omar back to his best again!!!

You need to get a grip City442 as everytime somebody posts something you don't like it's a totally bad thing. There is a phrase called "freedom of speech" but I didn't realise that meant checking with you before we post anything. Yes players need time to recover from serious injury but that doesn't mean you become a lazy selfish individual during the process. Admit it we (in glimpses) have seen the best of Daley. FACT.

You say his form had gone off well before his injury. So you weren't at gillingham then when he ran them ragged and City won 2-0 the week before he did his knee.
Ye, omar should do a lot better but i'd still rather have him in our squad.
but hey, lets keep on moaning and groaning cos that's what we're good at. CTHF (city till half five)

Ms Doubtfire wrote:
You say his form had gone off well before his injury. So you weren't at gillingham then when he ran them ragged and City won 2-0 the week before he did his knee. Ye, omar should do a lot better but i'd still rather have him in our squad. but hey, lets keep on moaning and groaning cos that's what we're good at. CTHF (city till half five)

ONE SWALLOW DOESN'T MAKE A SUMMER !

Ms Doubtfire wrote:
You say his form had gone off well before his injury. So you weren't at gillingham then when he ran them ragged and City won 2-0 the week before he did his knee.
Ye, omar should do a lot better but i'd still rather have him in our squad.
but hey, lets keep on moaning and groaning cos that's what we're good at. CTHF (city till half five)

a season is more than one game; I seem to recall others commenting that we should not judge a season by a game !

Omar does not even resemble a footballer,let him go play and tell him not to come back.

The Russian wrote:

city442 wrote:

tyker wrote: he'snot good enough for jamaica and cerianlynot goodenough for us!

That's it tyker, well done! We've slagged the manager off enough for now, so let's start on the players! OK, Omar has not been anything like this season, but he is returning from a really bad long term injury! Anyone with any knowledge of the game knows that after a long lay-off, it takes time to get back to being 100%. It is not like flicking a switch and all of a sudden you come back 100% without any getting back into it. The clueless clowns on here who slag Omar off all of the time, need to give him time to get games, it will be after xmas before we see Omar back to his best again!!!

You need to get a grip City442 as everytime somebody posts something you don't like it's a totally bad thing. There is a phrase called "freedom of speech" but I didn't realise that meant checking with you before we post anything. Yes players need time to recover from serious injury but that doesn't mean you become a lazy selfish individual during the process. Admit it we (in glimpses) have seen the best of Daley. FACT.

well said m8, theres 3 of them on here that think they are dictators.

sorry to say but i think PT is starting to lose his marbles. Daley obviously only got the time on the pitch his play warranted. If he was more of an influence his game play would have been more. Simples

For the first time, I'm with 'skyblogger' on this one! Daley hasn't been pulling up trees for us, so why should he be guaranteed game time in Internationals (albeit Friendlies)? I'm sure Jamaica have better wingers in their squad at the moment.
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That said, did the Jamaican authorities indicate that Daley would play more than he did? If they did, then Taylor has a right to be unhappy. Personally, I would be pleased that he plays as many times as he can. That way, we have a better chance of getting rid, instead of the problems that arose with work permits, like Don had!
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Someone above, said he isn't back to full fitness yet (and won't be until after Christmas), after being out so long. How riddiculous. He has been back training since the end of December and has just completed a full pre-season. He should have both his sharpness and pace back by now if he was going to get them.
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Besides, Daley has never lived up to expectation. He does have undoubted ability, but he simply doesn't (and never has) produced this consistently. Now we don't even seem to get it in glimpses!!

omars a luxury player more suited to non contact italian league,he cant hack the physical nature of league 2 and his work rate is well below par,rather have an average grafter than a super talent that cant be bothered

claytonian wrote:
omars a luxury player more suited to non contact italian league,he cant hack the physical nature of league 2 and his work rate is well below par,rather have an average grafter than a super talent that cant be bothered

perfectly stated

I love Daley and I think he is rubbish this season.
Best thing for us is him being knackered and unable to play this weekend.
We desperately need some some width in our team though - can't see the point of bringing in more forwards when we are not giving the ones we have any sort of service.

Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

We have already 'tried' with Daley up front. He isn't accurate enough with his shooting and hasn't the intelligence to play in a strike partner.
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He has got pace (though no where near what he had before the injury) and playing a lone striker role, wouldn't suit him as he couldn't hold the ball whilst he waited for support and isn't good enough to go alone.
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The main difference between Blake and Daley was that Robbie had vision and could put through a player with an exquisite pass. Sadly, that isn't Daley's strength, so comparing is really not practical.

Waynus71 wrote:
For the first time, I'm with 'skyblogger' on this one! Daley hasn't been pulling up trees for us, so why should he be guaranteed game time in Internationals (albeit Friendlies)? I'm sure Jamaica have better wingers in their squad at the moment. . That said, did the Jamaican authorities indicate that Daley would play more than he did? If they did, then Taylor has a right to be unhappy. Personally, I would be pleased that he plays as many times as he can. That way, we have a better chance of getting rid, instead of the problems that arose with work permits, like Don had! . Someone above, said he isn't back to full fitness yet (and won't be until after Christmas), after being out so long. How riddiculous. He has been back training since the end of December and has just completed a full pre-season. He should have both his sharpness and pace back by now if he was going to get them. . Besides, Daley has never lived up to expectation. He does have undoubted ability, but he simply doesn't (and never has) produced this consistently. Now we don't even seem to get it in glimpses!!

With reagrds to game time, PT isn't making sense. He wanted him to get more time on the pitch to build up fitness but is now annoyed that he will be knackered? Surely he would be more knackered if he had played more?

Anyway, Daley remains (IMO) the worst professional footballer that I have ever been forced to watch (if you discount those that only ever played the odd game or two). In the time he has been at the club he has had about 4 good games; if that! Don;t wish to be negative but I have been saying it for years and nothing has changed my opinion.

Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

in all the time he has been here,how many 1-2s has he played? how many times has he pulled a defender away to make space for a team mate? he had pace and a trick but he is so predictable. knock it down the line, cut inside and shoot - and thats it. Now Tommy Doc - he can play football, and we booed him! reminds me of the 2 morons that i used to sit infront of, that always called Peter Beagrie - "Peter Greedy!

Waynus71 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

We have already 'tried' with Daley up front. He isn't accurate enough with his shooting and hasn't the intelligence to play in a strike partner.
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He has got pace (though no where near what he had before the injury) and playing a lone striker role, wouldn't suit him as he couldn't hold the ball whilst he waited for support and isn't good enough to go alone.
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The main difference between Blake and Daley was that Robbie had vision and could put through a player with an exquisite pass. Sadly, that isn't Daley's strength, so comparing is really not practical.

Saw Daley play the second half of a game at Chesterfield 2 seasons ago and he played reasonably well, caused a few problems in the center of their defence and that was mainly down to him getting more of the ball on the edge of the box. I thought it would be worth him having a run of games in that role but haven't seen him play there again.
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Never suggested he play as a 'lone striker' I said ' possibly in a free role'.
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The comparison between Blake and Daley was from the point of view of getting a player who has obvious ability into the game more and playing them where they have the chance of making the most of their abilities, NOT comparing player against player. Daley's ability is in taking on defenders with dribbling skills and pace, not playing an 'exquisite pass' -so I'm not asking he be played in midfield or spending half his time 'defending' in a half-hearted way. YOUR comparison between the two players is YOURS to chose but it wasn't related to the point I was trying to make. You say 'comparing is really not practical'. Of course it is 'practical' to compare Blake's and Daley's EFFECTIVENESS based on whether they are getting enough possession in areas where they can BE effective. It worked with Blake and it might work with Daley if he gets more of the ball in areas other than half way into his own half. Try reading what I actually post waynus not what you would have liked me to have posted.

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

We have already 'tried' with Daley up front. He isn't accurate enough with his shooting and hasn't the intelligence to play in a strike partner. . He has got pace (though no where near what he had before the injury) and playing a lone striker role, wouldn't suit him as he couldn't hold the ball whilst he waited for support and isn't good enough to go alone. . The main difference between Blake and Daley was that Robbie had vision and could put through a player with an exquisite pass. Sadly, that isn't Daley's strength, so comparing is really not practical.

Saw Daley play the second half of a game at Chesterfield 2 seasons ago and he played reasonably well, caused a few problems in the center of their defence and that was mainly down to him getting more of the ball on the edge of the box. I thought it would be worth him having a run of games in that role but haven't seen him play there again. ' Never suggested he play as a 'lone striker' I said ' possibly in a free role'. ' The comparison between Blake and Daley was from the point of view of getting a player who has obvious ability into the game more and playing them where they have the chance of making the most of their abilities, NOT comparing player against player. Daley's ability is in taking on defenders with dribbling skills and pace, not playing an 'exquisite pass' -so I'm not asking he be played in midfield or spending half his time 'defending' in a half-hearted way. YOUR comparison between the two players is YOURS to chose but it wasn't related to the point I was trying to make. You say 'comparing is really not practical'. Of course it is 'practical' to compare Blake's and Daley's EFFECTIVENESS based on whether they are getting enough possession in areas where they can BE effective. It worked with Blake and it might work with Daley if he gets more of the ball in areas other than half way into his own half. Try reading what I actually post waynus not what you would have liked me to have posted.

I think its a fair point to say that if you are going to play him it has to be in a free roll. the question is A) is he good/ bothered enough and B) how would it fit in with PTs style of play.

Victor Clayton wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote: Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

We have already 'tried' with Daley up front. He isn't accurate enough with his shooting and hasn't the intelligence to play in a strike partner. . He has got pace (though no where near what he had before the injury) and playing a lone striker role, wouldn't suit him as he couldn't hold the ball whilst he waited for support and isn't good enough to go alone. . The main difference between Blake and Daley was that Robbie had vision and could put through a player with an exquisite pass. Sadly, that isn't Daley's strength, so comparing is really not practical.

Saw Daley play the second half of a game at Chesterfield 2 seasons ago and he played reasonably well, caused a few problems in the center of their defence and that was mainly down to him getting more of the ball on the edge of the box. I thought it would be worth him having a run of games in that role but haven't seen him play there again. ' Never suggested he play as a 'lone striker' I said ' possibly in a free role'. ' The comparison between Blake and Daley was from the point of view of getting a player who has obvious ability into the game more and playing them where they have the chance of making the most of their abilities, NOT comparing player against player. Daley's ability is in taking on defenders with dribbling skills and pace, not playing an 'exquisite pass' -so I'm not asking he be played in midfield or spending half his time 'defending' in a half-hearted way. YOUR comparison between the two players is YOURS to chose but it wasn't related to the point I was trying to make. You say 'comparing is really not practical'. Of course it is 'practical' to compare Blake's and Daley's EFFECTIVENESS based on whether they are getting enough possession in areas where they can BE effective. It worked with Blake and it might work with Daley if he gets more of the ball in areas other than half way into his own half. Try reading what I actually post waynus not what you would have liked me to have posted.

I think its a fair point to say that if you are going to play him it has to be in a free roll. the question is A) is he good/ bothered enough and B) how would it fit in with PTs style of play.

Two fair questions to pose. I personally think A): Daley has the skill to cause panic around the opponents goal area. He does look at times as if he is not 'bothered' but not when he has the ball. This is why I say he has to have the ball far more often than we are getting the ball to him during games and why it needs to be when he is further upfield -so I would say YES to question 'A'. B): I think this is going to be the crucial question Victor. I don't know, but at the moment many of the supporters don't Omar doing enough or having any impact on the game. Taylor does seem to WANT to play him in his Team under the present 'style of play' but whether Taylor would change THIS style to get more out of Omar???

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

We have already 'tried' with Daley up front. He isn't accurate enough with his shooting and hasn't the intelligence to play in a strike partner.
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He has got pace (though no where near what he had before the injury) and playing a lone striker role, wouldn't suit him as he couldn't hold the ball whilst he waited for support and isn't good enough to go alone.
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The main difference between Blake and Daley was that Robbie had vision and could put through a player with an exquisite pass. Sadly, that isn't Daley's strength, so comparing is really not practical.

Saw Daley play the second half of a game at Chesterfield 2 seasons ago and he played reasonably well, caused a few problems in the center of their defence and that was mainly down to him getting more of the ball on the edge of the box. I thought it would be worth him having a run of games in that role but haven't seen him play there again.
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Never suggested he play as a 'lone striker' I said ' possibly in a free role'.
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The comparison between Blake and Daley was from the point of view of getting a player who has obvious ability into the game more and playing them where they have the chance of making the most of their abilities, NOT comparing player against player. Daley's ability is in taking on defenders with dribbling skills and pace, not playing an 'exquisite pass' -so I'm not asking he be played in midfield or spending half his time 'defending' in a half-hearted way. YOUR comparison between the two players is YOURS to chose but it wasn't related to the point I was trying to make. You say 'comparing is really not practical'. Of course it is 'practical' to compare Blake's and Daley's EFFECTIVENESS based on whether they are getting enough possession in areas where they can BE effective. It worked with Blake and it might work with Daley if he gets more of the ball in areas other than half way into his own half. Try reading what I actually post waynus not what you would have liked me to have posted.

You have misinterpreted what I was saying, probably deliberately, knowing your track record with my posts.
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You say we should give him a free role. We simply can't afford the luxury of him playing that way. He rarely shoots on target and even when he does 'get the ball in positions where he can hurt the opposition', he rarely does so. Remember, he won the PFA POtS award as a winger, not a striker.
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As I said, IF he played a lone striker role, he would be caught out as he can't hold the ball up. Likewise he hasn't got a footballing brain to be able to play with a strike partner or in a free role (that's right, I mentioned both options, free role and sole striker). What do you expect him to do? Run with the ball into nowhere, until the defenders close him down? At least in the channels, he has more space to stretch his legs. He wouldn't get that if he was more central.
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My point with your comparison of Blake & Daley was and I understood you were making a point about having to get both players more involved, was that it was easier for us to do that with Blake as he had the footballing brain to be able to play the free-role. Daley simply doesn't have the skills to play that role. Therefore, we would STILL have a problem trying to get Daley involved more.
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I don't expect you to acknowledge my points, as you rarely do. But please don't try to make me out to be reading what I want instead of what you have posted.

bcfc1903 wrote:
Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless!
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I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

Waynus71 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

lonniejockstrap wrote:
Daley reminds me of the 'problems' we had with Robbie Blake for a period of time.Unless he has the ball he is virtually non-existent. The answer to finding out whether he is worth persevering with is to make sure he gets plenty of ball in the positions where he can have the biggest impact. For me that is as an ATTACKING player, possibly in a free role up front -I wouldn't have him chasing back too much and helping out the defence I would tell him to stay up front and let the oppo's defenders worry about us breaking away. Forget about requiring him to come back and defend. If PT can't get the best out of Omar by being able to get him more possession in attacking positions then we will not get consistent good performances from Omar. Robbie Blake was a 'luxury we couldn't afford' when he didn't have the ball, and so is Omar -although no where near as talented as Blake. Try Omar in a position up front where he will receive the ball more -if we cant get it to him enough on the wing- and if that doesn't work we can at least say we tried.

We have already 'tried' with Daley up front. He isn't accurate enough with his shooting and hasn't the intelligence to play in a strike partner.
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He has got pace (though no where near what he had before the injury) and playing a lone striker role, wouldn't suit him as he couldn't hold the ball whilst he waited for support and isn't good enough to go alone.
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The main difference between Blake and Daley was that Robbie had vision and could put through a player with an exquisite pass. Sadly, that isn't Daley's strength, so comparing is really not practical.

Saw Daley play the second half of a game at Chesterfield 2 seasons ago and he played reasonably well, caused a few problems in the center of their defence and that was mainly down to him getting more of the ball on the edge of the box. I thought it would be worth him having a run of games in that role but haven't seen him play there again.
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Never suggested he play as a 'lone striker' I said ' possibly in a free role'.
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The comparison between Blake and Daley was from the point of view of getting a player who has obvious ability into the game more and playing them where they have the chance of making the most of their abilities, NOT comparing player against player. Daley's ability is in taking on defenders with dribbling skills and pace, not playing an 'exquisite pass' -so I'm not asking he be played in midfield or spending half his time 'defending' in a half-hearted way. YOUR comparison between the two players is YOURS to chose but it wasn't related to the point I was trying to make. You say 'comparing is really not practical'. Of course it is 'practical' to compare Blake's and Daley's EFFECTIVENESS based on whether they are getting enough possession in areas where they can BE effective. It worked with Blake and it might work with Daley if he gets more of the ball in areas other than half way into his own half. Try reading what I actually post waynus not what you would have liked me to have posted.

You have misinterpreted what I was saying, probably deliberately, knowing your track record with my posts.
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You say we should give him a free role. We simply can't afford the luxury of him playing that way. He rarely shoots on target and even when he does 'get the ball in positions where he can hurt the opposition', he rarely does so. Remember, he won the PFA POtS award as a winger, not a striker.
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As I said, IF he played a lone striker role, he would be caught out as he can't hold the ball up. Likewise he hasn't got a footballing brain to be able to play with a strike partner or in a free role (that's right, I mentioned both options, free role and sole striker). What do you expect him to do? Run with the ball into nowhere, until the defenders close him down? At least in the channels, he has more space to stretch his legs. He wouldn't get that if he was more central.
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My point with your comparison of Blake & Daley was and I understood you were making a point about having to get both players more involved, was that it was easier for us to do that with Blake as he had the footballing brain to be able to play the free-role. Daley simply doesn't have the skills to play that role. Therefore, we would STILL have a problem trying to get Daley involved more.
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I don't expect you to acknowledge my points, as you rarely do. But please don't try to make me out to be reading what I want instead of what you have posted.

Maybe you could start by pointing out where you used the words 'free role' thats right 'free role' in your first posting? Are you 'misinterpreting' yourself? are you doing it deliberately? And do you understand what 'free role' actually means by the way?
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Quote from Waynus71, BD6 says...
11:09pm Thu 9 Sep 10
'At least in the channels, he has more space to stretch his legs. He wouldn't get that if he was more central'.
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Quote from Waynus71, BD6 says...
11:19pm Thu 9 Sep 10
'So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless!'.
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It used to take you a week to contradict yourself waynus, now you are doing it in 10 minutes. Is it any wonder you are 'misinterpreted', 'priceless'.
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Hope you appreciate me acknowledging your points!

I'm not a fanatical City supporter, but I have followed them for more than forty years.
What I can never understand are the brain dead morons in the City crowd who boo their own team.
How the hell do they think that is going to help boost the team's confidence or help them towards a win?
If I were a true City supporter I would drag those idiots out by their nether regions and dump them in Bradford Beck.
Why do you allow them to get away with it?
Support your team - don't knock the confidence out of them

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless! . I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

He's usually up against two players and on the odd occasions three,or maybe you haven't noticed this,you've certainly not mentioned this fact,a slight oversight on your part i'd say...I'm still of the opinion that Daley is a confidence player like Blake,obviously Robbie was a far better all round player but confidence plays such a big part in this type of player that a lack of it can take a yard of pace off or in Blakes case cause him to take a split second longer to play the killer pass causing that pass to be intercepted .This is not me blindly backing Daley far from it...if you can't see that it's actually you thats got a problem.

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless! . I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

He's usually up against two players and on the odd occasions three,or maybe you haven't noticed this,you've certainly not mentioned this fact,a slight oversight on your part i'd say...I'm still of the opinion that Daley is a confidence player like Blake,obviously Robbie was a far better all round player but confidence plays such a big part in this type of player that a lack of it can take a yard of pace off or in Blakes case cause him to take a split second longer to play the killer pass causing that pass to be intercepted .This is not me blindly backing Daley far from it...if you can't see that it's actually you thats got a problem.

Robbie Blake was one of the most talented players I have ever seen in a City shirt. Despite his inconsistency, he was a vital part of our last promotion and from memory scored 16 goals (many of which were stunning). In the premier league, despite Jewell not picking him, he still showed what he was capable of and tore Newcastle and Leicester to pieces at VP. Ten years later, he is still scoring more goals than Daley does despite being four divisions apart and getting very little game time.

The stats and my eyes quite clearly show that Daley brings nothing to the team other than the potential to frighten the opposition with his pace. However, it doesn't really matter how fast you are when you can't actually cross, pass or shoot. His record for goals and assists is shocking for a player who gets so much time on the pitch.

It is quite funny that when people are defending him, they always refer to one or two matches; that kind of backs up my point that he has had very, very few good games for us. I would rather have Gareth Whaley or Steve Jones in the side who would cause much more damage if given a decent run.

KnightMcCall wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless! . I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

He's usually up against two players and on the odd occasions three,or maybe you haven't noticed this,you've certainly not mentioned this fact,a slight oversight on your part i'd say...I'm still of the opinion that Daley is a confidence player like Blake,obviously Robbie was a far better all round player but confidence plays such a big part in this type of player that a lack of it can take a yard of pace off or in Blakes case cause him to take a split second longer to play the killer pass causing that pass to be intercepted .This is not me blindly backing Daley far from it...if you can't see that it's actually you thats got a problem.

Robbie Blake was one of the most talented players I have ever seen in a City shirt. Despite his inconsistency, he was a vital part of our last promotion and from memory scored 16 goals (many of which were stunning). In the premier league, despite Jewell not picking him, he still showed what he was capable of and tore Newcastle and Leicester to pieces at VP. Ten years later, he is still scoring more goals than Daley does despite being four divisions apart and getting very little game time. The stats and my eyes quite clearly show that Daley brings nothing to the team other than the potential to frighten the opposition with his pace. However, it doesn't really matter how fast you are when you can't actually cross, pass or shoot. His record for goals and assists is shocking for a player who gets so much time on the pitch. It is quite funny that when people are defending him, they always refer to one or two matches; that kind of backs up my point that he has had very, very few good games for us. I would rather have Gareth Whaley or Steve Jones in the side who would cause much more damage if given a decent run.

Do you agree with 'Lonnie' that he should be given a free-role in "a more attacking position"? Personally, I think he will have even less space than he does now (being marked by a defender and probably a midfielder tracking back to help out too).
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Buy hey, 'Lonnie' knows best! What is your opinion of his suggestion.

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless! . I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

He's usually up against two players and on the odd occasions three,or maybe you haven't noticed this,you've certainly not mentioned this fact,a slight oversight on your part i'd say...I'm still of the opinion that Daley is a confidence player like Blake,obviously Robbie was a far better all round player but confidence plays such a big part in this type of player that a lack of it can take a yard of pace off or in Blakes case cause him to take a split second longer to play the killer pass causing that pass to be intercepted .This is not me blindly backing Daley far from it...if you can't see that it's actually you thats got a problem.

it is you that doesn't 'get it'. Daley HAD electric pace and although he has lost some of this, he is still quick. However, he has not had the pace to get past his marker(s). Yes, he often has 2 to 3 players marking him, but that is NO different to a couple of season ago. His answer to that was to just knock the ball past them and take both (or all three) markers out of the game with his pace. Now he is unable to do so.
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You have to remember that the injury was serious and most players NEVER get back the pace afterwards. Look at Michael Owen. He got a bad injury and never came back the same player and there are loads of smilar examples.
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As I said, he is quick, just not as quick as he was and this, with a lack of vision is a major concern.

KnightMcCall wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless! . I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

He's usually up against two players and on the odd occasions three,or maybe you haven't noticed this,you've certainly not mentioned this fact,a slight oversight on your part i'd say...I'm still of the opinion that Daley is a confidence player like Blake,obviously Robbie was a far better all round player but confidence plays such a big part in this type of player that a lack of it can take a yard of pace off or in Blakes case cause him to take a split second longer to play the killer pass causing that pass to be intercepted .This is not me blindly backing Daley far from it...if you can't see that it's actually you thats got a problem.

Robbie Blake was one of the most talented players I have ever seen in a City shirt. Despite his inconsistency, he was a vital part of our last promotion and from memory scored 16 goals (many of which were stunning). In the premier league, despite Jewell not picking him, he still showed what he was capable of and tore Newcastle and Leicester to pieces at VP. Ten years later, he is still scoring more goals than Daley does despite being four divisions apart and getting very little game time.

The stats and my eyes quite clearly show that Daley brings nothing to the team other than the potential to frighten the opposition with his pace. However, it doesn't really matter how fast you are when you can't actually cross, pass or shoot. His record for goals and assists is shocking for a player who gets so much time on the pitch.

It is quite funny that when people are defending him, they always refer to one or two matches; that kind of backs up my point that he has had very, very few good games for us. I would rather have Gareth Whaley or Steve Jones in the side who would cause much more damage if given a decent run.

I agree KMc. And I am sure you will remember that Blakey was moved further inside from playing wide and -In my OPINION waynus (peace be upon him)- this helped Blake get more possession and have a big impact on our game. Your right about Daley having very few good games KMc and yet the ability to be a major threat is undoubtedly there. Daley is an enigma and sticking with the same old technique with which to find the solution to this mystery isn't working. I would also have chosen Jones over Daley but we don't have Jones. I would also like to point out my observation at the time Jones played for us. I was saying he needed to play further forward and less defensively. He was coming in for criticism from supporters who thought he was ineffectual but he was playing the same role as Daley is now (winger/midfielder/d
efender). When Stuart did eventual move him up as an attacker he looked a different player and became a crowd favourite. Whaley, -again my opinion- I was saying he would be more effective if he played as an attacker/winger rather than a midfield/winger/defe
nder. Unfortunately Whaley never got the chance to show what he could do until he went back to Rochdale. I may be wrong and waynus -peace be upon him- may be right about whether or not to alter Daley's role. Taylor of course won't let his existing ineffectualness continue for much longer if we are not winning.

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

Waynus71 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote: Daley lacks confidence not pace,i don't agree with most of the posts above ,to say he's only had four decent games isn't anywhere near the truth,before he was badly injured in January 2009 he'd had a very good season,he was also voted by fellow professionals the best in his position in the league at the end of that season....obviously since his return to fitness he hasn't pulled any trees up but you could say the same about most of the players and they haven't had a serious injury to overcome.

So, in the last two games against Southend & Port Vale, are you saying that when he was beaten for pace by the opposing full-backs, it wasn't down his lack of pace, but more to do with a lack of confidence? Priceless! . I'm all for defending players, but not blindly. His skill was to draw a defender towards him, knock the ball into space behind where that defender had come frome and beat him in a race to get to the ball, before cutting inside. Now he simply doesn't do this, but ironically, O'Brien has had some success. Explanation please!!

He's usually up against two players and on the odd occasions three,or maybe you haven't noticed this,you've certainly not mentioned this fact,a slight oversight on your part i'd say...I'm still of the opinion that Daley is a confidence player like Blake,obviously Robbie was a far better all round player but confidence plays such a big part in this type of player that a lack of it can take a yard of pace off or in Blakes case cause him to take a split second longer to play the killer pass causing that pass to be intercepted .This is not me blindly backing Daley far from it...if you can't see that it's actually you thats got a problem.

it is you that doesn't 'get it'. Daley HAD electric pace and although he has lost some of this, he is still quick. However, he has not had the pace to get past his marker(s). Yes, he often has 2 to 3 players marking him, but that is NO different to a couple of season ago. His answer to that was to just knock the ball past them and take both (or all three) markers out of the game with his pace. Now he is unable to do so. . You have to remember that the injury was serious and most players NEVER get back the pace afterwards. Look at Michael Owen. He got a bad injury and never came back the same player and there are loads of smilar examples. . As I said, he is quick, just not as quick as he was and this, with a lack of vision is a major concern.

I'm putting that lack of electric pace down to confidence,that's my opinion,i remember when Daley first came to BCFC,there was no sign of this searing pace that Jermaine Johnson had mentioned ,the headline at the time was that Daley was quicker than JJ,having waited in anticipation for the jet heeled Daley i was disappointed and laughed it off as hype.It was once he'd settled under McCall that BCFCstarted to see the best of Daley .The idea that Daley would get voted best player in his position at the end of the 2009 season by his fellow professionals for having a couple of decent games is ludicrous,i'm glad you've never adheered to that tripe.For the record i'd play Daley wide right,Taylor to get the best out of Daley needs to show total faith in him.

I think Daley's best position is out wide in a 4-3-3, where he doesn't need to track back as much.

Lack of confidence is understandable after a long term injury, but lack of effort certainly isn't, as on numerous occasions against Southend, he was only jogging back, making little attempt to keep up with their overlapping full back.

I don't agree that Daley just jogs back, he's done more tracking back since Taylor took charge.I'm not sure about 433,i'd go with 442 but with O'Brien wide left so maybe he tucks in if we're attacking down the right leaving more scope for one of the central midfielders to get into the box.

His head is going to be all over the place from all the flyingIn the modern game, I don't think your winger can afford not to track back, and on numerous occasions in the 1st half against Southend, Daley showed little interest in doing so, which as a manager would infuriate me.