Misfiring players vulnerable to axe after woeful loss at Hereford (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

That's what happens when you fill the team full of loan players who are just trying to get some match fitness before going back to their own clubs (Ryan Kendall), we've seen it before, we're seeing it again.

Defeats against Hereford, Aldershot, Accrington & Port Vale.

It's all well and good beating the likes of Rochdale and Rotherham, but if we're wanting to do anything in this league next year, we have to be able to go Hereford and take 3 points!

well i blame the board not taylor whats he meant to do he inherits a very poor side and the transfer window is shut they should have got rid of mcall well before transfer window shut in january taylor did say we would lose games before seasons ends taylor will be good for us but hes not got a magic wand we need to stay with him if mcall was still in charge he would have said the boys were unlucky and put the effort in but taylor has said there playing for there jobs and rightly so ctid

the city realist wrote:
well i blame the board not taylor whats he meant to do he inherits a very poor side and the transfer window is shut they should have got rid of mcall well before transfer window shut in january taylor did say we would lose games before seasons ends taylor will be good for us but hes not got a magic wand we need to stay with him if mcall was still in charge he would have said the boys were unlucky and put the effort in but taylor has said there playing for there jobs and rightly so ctid

This is the 'blame' cycle in action yet again. The new manager is never blamed so its the players who are currently held accountable. Then the blame will neatly shift onto the board before , as always, quickly moving onto the manager. After Lawn & Co have duly received their slap over the knuckles it will be 'flavour of the month' Peter who will kop it. This will happen and their are people just waiting to have a go.

blacksheep wrote:
That's what happens when you fill the team full of loan players who are just trying to get some match fitness before going back to their own clubs (Ryan Kendall), we've seen it before, we're seeing it again. Defeats against Hereford, Aldershot, Accrington & Port Vale. It's all well and good beating the likes of Rochdale and Rotherham, but if we're wanting to do anything in this league next year, we have to be able to go Hereford and take 3 points!

You are not allowed to disagree with Peter just yet. 'If it's good enough for Peter it's good enough for me' is the prevailing opinion just now. You will have ample opportunity to citicise him shortly. NB Hereford won promotion with loan players.
How's Shaun of Richmond today? Been to Torquay? Been speaking to Paul Jewell? HELLOOOOOOOOOOOO....
. he KNOWS about MANAGEMENT you KNOW.........!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont BLAME anybody. Why do we always need to BLAME someone.
We are 16th for a reason, the players on the whole are not consistent enough. As soon as we lose some people are itching to blame the board or the manager or the players or the tea ladt for that matter.
Saturday was a poor result but if it assists PT to work out who to keep and who to let go in the Summer it may be a blessing in disguise.
Its what PT does about the result that's important as far as I am concerned and I for one hope that a goal scorer is part of the future plans. I'm not knocking James but he needs help to get the goals.

Peter300 wrote:

the city realist wrote: well i blame the board not taylor whats he meant to do he inherits a very poor side and the transfer window is shut they should have got rid of mcall well before transfer window shut in january taylor did say we would lose games before seasons ends taylor will be good for us but hes not got a magic wand we need to stay with him if mcall was still in charge he would have said the boys were unlucky and put the effort in but taylor has said there playing for there jobs and rightly so ctid

This is the 'blame' cycle in action yet again. The new manager is never blamed so its the players who are currently held accountable. Then the blame will neatly shift onto the board before , as always, quickly moving onto the manager. After Lawn & Co have duly received their slap over the knuckles it will be 'flavour of the month' Peter who will kop it. This will happen and their are people just waiting to have a go.

You are of-course 100% right; it's pathetic but a scapegoat will always be sought.

Personally I blame Lenny....

Hello everyone, I am new to this.
I went to the Hereford game on saturday and I was appalled at the lack of effort some city players put into this game.
The striker we have on loan Mark McGammon needs shooting. Did he get his shorts dirty at all.
It was my birthday at the week-end, city lost, Ireland lost in the rugby and my mother in law is staying over.
Anyone got a gun.
Good to see Peter Taylor on the touchline showing some passion.
OK Rant over, morning!

KnightMcCall wrote:

Peter300 wrote:

the city realist wrote: well i blame the board not taylor whats he meant to do he inherits a very poor side and the transfer window is shut they should have got rid of mcall well before transfer window shut in january taylor did say we would lose games before seasons ends taylor will be good for us but hes not got a magic wand we need to stay with him if mcall was still in charge he would have said the boys were unlucky and put the effort in but taylor has said there playing for there jobs and rightly so ctid

This is the 'blame' cycle in action yet again. The new manager is never blamed so its the players who are currently held accountable. Then the blame will neatly shift onto the board before , as always, quickly moving onto the manager. After Lawn & Co have duly received their slap over the knuckles it will be 'flavour of the month' Peter who will kop it. This will happen and their are people just waiting to have a go.

You are of-course 100% right; it's pathetic but a scapegoat will always be sought. Personally I blame Lenny....

Agreed, if it hadn't been for Lenny Lawrence, we'd be a Premiership side by now... or was that Lenny Henry.....Lenny the Lion?

look guys: we are in the fag end of the season with nothing to play for. However there were several players who do have something to play for and that is a new contract. If these players are not putting in the effort with that carrot in front of them then you cannot blame Taylor if he decides they have no future.

I said after that Aldershot away game that mccammon has no future at the club and I am now more convinced that that is the case.

The McCall saga did probably drag on for too long, ideally it should have happened before the transfer window reopened in January but its odne now. The rest of the season is dead and meaningless. It's an opportunity for Taylor to whittle out those not worthy and show them the door for next season. I don't see how anyone is to 'blame' at all for whats going on now. The bored tried and failed with McCall this season and especially last, but they tried! They've realised it wasn't working and have got rid of the 'Golden Boy' of City which can't have been easy to do, when the sun shone out of his arse for the majority of supporters, and so they replace him with the best possible candidiate, with the best track record available (I for one didn't think they'd manage to get him, nevermind should have looked for someone better!) and have allowede him funds to ensure we don't go down and to look at talent for next season. For me, this is the most positive step we have taken as a club for years! CTID

The blame cycle would stop if we went up next season!

Though presumably people would moan about the style of football that we used to achieve the goal, because some people just like a good old moan don't they? They're probably much happier that we're not doing so well at the moment!

Whoever mentioned that we need a goal scorer to help Hanson was right, as much as I like Hanson he's not as clinical as he might be (who knows, he might improve on this with time - though if he does I doubt he'll be with us long!), what we need is 25 goal a season man (if only Thorne was ten years younger!).

I think Taylor has probably already decided he doesn't much like McGammon, hence why he's not been playing and why he's brought Kendall in.

Think it's funny the guy saying that loan signings won't try hard for us whilst citing that we lost to Hereford, a team who famously got promoted from this very division using almost entirely loaned players!

Has Bullock blown his chances for a new contract by picking up a two game ban: two less games for Taylor to see him in action.

Look I for one am pleased that we played so poorley against Hereford. Why you might ask? Very simply put there are players at our club who do not deserve to be there and with a result like this they are proving it too. Don't be suprised to see a very different squad next season. If the loans work they work if they don't they don't it doesn't matter at this stage of the season. Basically if they want to permanently be at City then they need to perform or they won't be. Bash Taylor if he signs a contract builds his own squad and fails not before when he inherited a poor squad!!!!! Wait till its his own then we can adequetly judge not before.

JUST SO YOU KNOW!!!.............
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I BLAME "STUART McCALL"!!

get rid of them 3 clowns,clarke,rehman
, and williams at the back and also evans who has been bitterly dissapointing this season and who cannot hit a barn door.........then we are moving in the right direction.

blacksheep wrote:
That's what happens when you fill the team full of loan players who are just trying to get some match fitness before going back to their own clubs (Ryan Kendall), we've seen it before, we're seeing it again. Defeats against Hereford, Aldershot, Accrington & Port Vale. It's all well and good beating the likes of Rochdale and Rotherham, but if we're wanting to do anything in this league next year, we have to be able to go Hereford and take 3 points!

Do you mean loan players like Law and Furman? Loan players can be good because they have a point to prove to their parent club as well as poor because they are only looking to regain match fitness.
No team has a right to go anywhere and get three points. We might lose 10-0 at Hereford, but if we get promoted so what!
What we do have to do is get a settled squad who know what they need to do week in and week out. I've said it before, it won't always be pretty with Peter Taylor but he should be able to get us up as he has done at so many other clubs.

tyker wrote:
Has Bullock blown his chances for a new contract by picking up a two game ban: two less games for Taylor to see him in action.

I hope so!!
Cant believe he was captain Saturday, glad he is suspended tom night.
Nothing personal towards Bully, just believe he has very limited ability and in my opinion we wont go anywhere fast with people of his calibre in the team.

BD16 wrote:

blacksheep wrote: That's what happens when you fill the team full of loan players who are just trying to get some match fitness before going back to their own clubs (Ryan Kendall), we've seen it before, we're seeing it again. Defeats against Hereford, Aldershot, Accrington & Port Vale. It's all well and good beating the likes of Rochdale and Rotherham, but if we're wanting to do anything in this league next year, we have to be able to go Hereford and take 3 points!

Do you mean loan players like Law and Furman? Loan players can be good because they have a point to prove to their parent club as well as poor because they are only looking to regain match fitness. No team has a right to go anywhere and get three points. We might lose 10-0 at Hereford, but if we get promoted so what! What we do have to do is get a settled squad who know what they need to do week in and week out. I've said it before, it won't always be pretty with Peter Taylor but he should be able to get us up as he has done at so many other clubs.

I don't disagree with you. And you're right, we don't have the right to just turn up and win. But Hereford had lost 6 of their last 7 games, including their last 4 at home. If we're to get anywhere, we need to beat teams like that. Never mind next season, we should be beating them now!

I'm right behind Peter Taylor, I wanted him to get the job and we'll improve under him.

It's just this view that everything is fantastic from some supporters that frustrates me. I read someone say yesterday with regards to contracts talks "we have to sign him, look at our results since he took over, it's a no brainer"

What results?!

Take away the two results against Rochdale and Rotherham (excellent results) and it's looking pretty bleak.

4 defeats and 2 very unconvincing homes wins, one against the team in rock bottom.

We may beat County tomorrow night, we might get a hammering, it doesn't really matter if you can't beat a team who are 5th from bottom and, to quote a Hereford MB poster before the match, are "playing the worst football they've seen in a decade".

As previously predicted Staunton got sacked from Darlington.

Watch this space for further cutting edge predictions.

I really dont understand this blame culture at all....it's pathetic!!!
A knew manager comes in and inherits a squad which isn't his and gets a number of loan players in to take a look at them in what in fairness is a dead end to the season and people still moan that we have a team of loans. If PT played the season with with the squad he inherited and started to build in the future then people would slate him for that. What do people really expect anyone at city to do in this position??? PT, Lawn & Rhodes aren't thick unlike some people on here and they are doing what's right for the club in preperation for next season.
Save your comments for next season, accept this season is dead and just look forward to next season...

J4CKO wrote:
I dont BLAME anybody. Why do we always need to BLAME someone. We are 16th for a reason, the players on the whole are not consistent enough. As soon as we lose some people are itching to blame the board or the manager or the players or the tea ladt for that matter. Saturday was a poor result but if it assists PT to work out who to keep and who to let go in the Summer it may be a blessing in disguise. Its what PT does about the result that's important as far as I am concerned and I for one hope that a goal scorer is part of the future plans. I'm not knocking James but he needs help to get the goals.

I agree in some ways that some of these poorer performances will show Taylor what has been wrong and what needs to be put right. Some of these players have had ample chances to show that they have what we need as a team and supporters and failed. taylor has axed some of them with many to follow i believe

As previously predicted some fans would start moaning coz City aren't winning all there games under PT.

fatbloke wrote:

tyker wrote: Has Bullock blown his chances for a new contract by picking up a two game ban: two less games for Taylor to see him in action.

I hope so!! Cant believe he was captain Saturday, glad he is suspended tom night. Nothing personal towards Bully, just believe he has very limited ability and in my opinion we wont go anywhere fast with people of his calibre in the team.

I have banged on about it for two seasons i'm afraid. We lack mobility in that area. Even if Taylor adopts a more 'direct' approach the centre mid have got to be able to get up and down the pitch. This has been a major flaw of the past couple of years. Whilst we have had some poor defenders committting poor defensive errors they have often been left with huge holes in front of them. basically due to a lack of pace, fitness and discipline.

Even when Bullock has been able to stay where he should be e.g. as a defensive midfielder, he is too easy to get past if someone runs at him. But Bullock still has delusions that he is an attacking midfielder on occasions and that makes the situation even worse. Albeit he has not played there by himself. Flynn does look 'leggy' in some games. And i feel that Taylor's switch is to inject more mobility in this area. i definately believe that when Flynn plays well city play well. Overall whilst everyone wants the centre of defence sorting its imperative that the guys just in front can both create chances and combat the opposition thus play at both ends of the pitch

Noticed there is a debate regarding the style of play thus far under Taylor.
Whilst we are winning i like most fans will be happy having had enough of the past ten years. Been entertaining as well would be a bonus. By proxy if we are winning then surely we must be on attack on occasions thus some excitement will be generated. I would be alittle concerned if we were set up just to be a set piece team. Whilst its massively important in any division i remember the Docherty years and the stick that he got.

Lawn will be keeping a close eye on this one obviously. One reason will be the crowds for next year.
We have sold i believe in the region of 6500 season tickets (this may be wrong) but i think that crowds will fall marginally season ticket wise next year. if we are doing well the crowds will be sustained but will fans put up with 'poor' style of football. As i said i want us to win, full-stop. But i ave sometimes come away from a game massively entertained but in defeat. Its a fine balance and the size of the crowds are really the only way to gage what the fans think

blacksheep wrote:

BD16 wrote:

blacksheep wrote: That's what happens when you fill the team full of loan players who are just trying to get some match fitness before going back to their own clubs (Ryan Kendall), we've seen it before, we're seeing it again. Defeats against Hereford, Aldershot, Accrington & Port Vale. It's all well and good beating the likes of Rochdale and Rotherham, but if we're wanting to do anything in this league next year, we have to be able to go Hereford and take 3 points!

Do you mean loan players like Law and Furman? Loan players can be good because they have a point to prove to their parent club as well as poor because they are only looking to regain match fitness. No team has a right to go anywhere and get three points. We might lose 10-0 at Hereford, but if we get promoted so what! What we do have to do is get a settled squad who know what they need to do week in and week out. I've said it before, it won't always be pretty with Peter Taylor but he should be able to get us up as he has done at so many other clubs.

I don't disagree with you. And you're right, we don't have the right to just turn up and win. But Hereford had lost 6 of their last 7 games, including their last 4 at home. If we're to get anywhere, we need to beat teams like that. Never mind next season, we should be beating them now! I'm right behind Peter Taylor, I wanted him to get the job and we'll improve under him. It's just this view that everything is fantastic from some supporters that frustrates me. I read someone say yesterday with regards to contracts talks "we have to sign him, look at our results since he took over, it's a no brainer" What results?! Take away the two results against Rochdale and Rotherham (excellent results) and it's looking pretty bleak. 4 defeats and 2 very unconvincing homes wins, one against the team in rock bottom. We may beat County tomorrow night, we might get a hammering, it doesn't really matter if you can't beat a team who are 5th from bottom and, to quote a Hereford MB poster before the match, are "playing the worst football they've seen in a decade".

If ever a team needed a boost after a long run without a win it has to be seeing City as their next fixture. How many times have we ended somebodys terrible run of form?
If we play the percentage game then Taylors the man, this is what I think a lot of posters on here are doing. His proven track record at this level and the one above has to be as good as anybodys at this level.
I do hope he signs a new contract, at least we can have something genuinely positive to look forward to next year.

dannbradfc wrote:

fatbloke wrote:

tyker wrote: Has Bullock blown his chances for a new contract by picking up a two game ban: two less games for Taylor to see him in action.

I hope so!! Cant believe he was captain Saturday, glad he is suspended tom night. Nothing personal towards Bully, just believe he has very limited ability and in my opinion we wont go anywhere fast with people of his calibre in the team.

I have banged on about it for two seasons i'm afraid. We lack mobility in that area. Even if Taylor adopts a more 'direct' approach the centre mid have got to be able to get up and down the pitch. This has been a major flaw of the past couple of years. Whilst we have had some poor defenders committting poor defensive errors they have often been left with huge holes in front of them. basically due to a lack of pace, fitness and discipline. Even when Bullock has been able to stay where he should be e.g. as a defensive midfielder, he is too easy to get past if someone runs at him. But Bullock still has delusions that he is an attacking midfielder on occasions and that makes the situation even worse. Albeit he has not played there by himself. Flynn does look 'leggy' in some games. And i feel that Taylor's switch is to inject more mobility in this area. i definately believe that when Flynn plays well city play well. Overall whilst everyone wants the centre of defence sorting its imperative that the guys just in front can both create chances and combat the opposition thus play at both ends of the pitch

i agree on the mobility comment but i still think we lack a real ball player but i think we have one in O'Leary who is sat on the bench and O'B (although i know he wont be fit) for his energy and tenacity, these 2 would that that bite and ball playing ability in my opinion and i expect O'Leary to start tomorrow night with Bolder. I Like Flynn but i really think he now needs a rest.

gspot wrote:
I really dont understand this blame culture at all....it's pathetic!!! A knew manager comes in and inherits a squad which isn't his and gets a number of loan players in to take a look at them in what in fairness is a dead end to the season and people still moan that we have a team of loans. If PT played the season with with the squad he inherited and started to build in the future then people would slate him for that. What do people really expect anyone at city to do in this position??? PT, Lawn & Rhodes aren't thick unlike some people on here and they are doing what's right for the club in preperation for next season. Save your comments for next season, accept this season is dead and just look forward to next season...

Spot on!

irish bantam wrote:
get rid of them 3 clowns,clarke,rehman , and williams at the back and also evans who has been bitterly dissapointing this season and who cannot hit a barn door.........then we are moving in the right direction.

i agree but Jacob's must go,he should have gone with his mate in fact he should never have come back to VP.