Is Burgess off to Australia? (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

What's the point in contracts? He signed a 3 year deal and he should honour that.

I like other Bulls fans like Sam, he's aa class act and being home grown I tend to favour him over other players.

Now if he really wants to go then let him. I only want players at the club who are willing to put blood sweat and tears into turning things around.

otleybull wrote:
What's the point in contracts? He signed a 3 year deal and he should honour that.

I like other Bulls fans like Sam, he's aa class act and being home grown I tend to favour him over other players.

Now if he really wants to go then let him. I only want players at the club who are willing to put blood sweat and tears into turning things around.

agreed. What I would suggest is he signs an extension at Odsal for another 2 years (making him contracted to 4 after this) and then he gets "loaned" to whoever for 2 years.

This is yet another report that infers that top-flight professionals, who thrive on success and desire silverware, see no future at the Bulls.

Personnally think he needs 2 apply his trade in SL for a couple more years to show signs of how gud he actually is. This season ok in a poor side, but still he has looked poor at times and some of the simple errors he has made like runng in to touch and silly knock on's need to be stopped before he goes to OZ. He wil not be able to make the same simple mistakes in OZ.

Adey wrote:

otleybull wrote: What's the point in contracts? He signed a 3 year deal and he should honour that. I like other Bulls fans like Sam, he's aa class act and being home grown I tend to favour him over other players. Now if he really wants to go then let him. I only want players at the club who are willing to put blood sweat and tears into turning things around.

agreed. What I would suggest is he signs an extension at Odsal for another 2 years (making him contracted to 4 after this) and then he gets "loaned" to whoever for 2 years.

Loaned out...he is a great britain international not some junior untried amateur. Why post when you clearly know nothing about rugby...

oh well another step in the direction of a return to the good old northern days !!! letting top players go, the only difference is it used to be to wigan and leeds, looks like Hood and co will only be happy when they have let the club get back to the level it was the last time they were on the board, also it would be nice to see the marketing department earn their money by trying to bring new sponsors instead of sitting behind their desks and just re- negotiating new deals with existing sponsors who pay less sponsorship each year but get better returns for their money, like a lot of others have said previously the club needs a complete overhaul AGAIN !! right from the very top and the hangers on and the people with jobs got by knowing people in the right places instead of their ability need to go not just the coach.

to me sam has been very average this season and unless we get a top quality coach in, there is no point in keeping him because mcnamara cant get the best out of him. It makes u wander if he went to Oz during the world cup in order to find himself a new deal !! would be gutted if Semi leaves the club. As for newton im really not fussed about seeing the back of him. Really not looking forward to next season already

i remember all the Aussie clubs chasing Fielden until Willie Mason put paid to him.He was not tough enough for the Aussie game and I am afraid exactly the same will happen to Burgess if he goes.It is okay going for the money but he wll need to be compus mentus to enjoy it.He says he wants to be tested,he will be,they will eat him up and spit him out in pieces.

Rubbish. He'll go well down there if he lives up to his enormous potential. And he'll get better coaching and match prep. Bad news for the Bulls but encouraging news for International RL - we need more of our top players playing Down Under to begin competing against Australia consistently.

This club is totally up s*** creek, i'm serious when i say this. The way things are going and the way the club is being managed, if we have a club at all in two years time, it will be in the Co-op League.

Yet again, it looks as though we are going to have to suffer another off season of turnover and turmoil. However, the club aren't turning over the players that they should be, they can't because they have offered long term deals to the wrong people - Platt and Sheriffe, instead of players who have proved more in one half of a season than some of the longer term players have in their entire Bradford careers - Menzies springs to mind. I don't care whether he is 36 or 96, he has been our best player for the majority of the season and if Sykes is worth another year, surely he has to be?

If we are short of money or unable to attract players, why doesn't the club just come out and say it and at least play a few of the youngsters who might actually give a **** (and don't anyone give me this cockamamie argument about them being ruined in a struggling team, against the lot of rubbish we currently have playing each week, they would probably be a vast improvement on what we have seen so far this season!).

A team for next year, that might restore some pride:

1. Halley
2. Pelo
3. Nero
4. Straughier
5. Tadulala
6. Wing
7. Hyde
8. Scruton
9. Randall
10. Lynch
11. Menzies
12. Burgess
13. Donaldson

14. Whitehead
15. Hall
16. Horton
17. Wardle

Quite a few young players i know but it might negate the need to change half the team every year! It also assumes a couple of signings but surely everyone can see we need them (wishful thinking or not!).

I am frustrated, bewildered and genuinely worried for the future of this club. I know that can manifest itself in the form of a post full of over reaction and maybe some of what i'm saying is exactly that. However, the club's fall from grace over the last three years is absolutely shocking, truly alarming.

If the club then go on to sell Burgess, what does that say to the fans, particularly the lapsed fans who once again were proven right in not turning out to watch yet another inept performance on Sunday?

It says a number of things; the club are skint, the club have no ambition, the talisman, the great future hope of the club has had to be sold because the Board are totally and utterly clueless and don't have the guts to get rid of their underperforming cronie coach.

I have absolutely had enough of what is going on at Odsal at this moment in time and unless i see some signs that i am wrong, i am honestly thinking of turning my season ticket in until Hood, McNamara or preferrably both are gone from this club.

I also noticed a couple of other posters have rebellion/protest on their minds, well if you can find the right forum to bring enough people together for a worthwhile protest against the state of this club, count me in. Enough is enough.

Have to agree with you there Craig.Glad to see your team doesn't include that geriatric Scrum half we have now tho i wouldn't count on Halley being there next season,not with the likes of Saints and Leeds circling our once proud club.And as for Sam it's obvious that sumats on the ladx mind with the way he's performed this season.

MPD, i have to assume that a few are staying with us, even Burgess! To contemplate them selling him at this stage as i say is a ridiculous notion (though it is not unknown for this Board and Manager to shoot themselves in the foot).

I think Halley will still be with us having recently signed the new deal, though i know where you are coming from. If Burgess does go, i guess anything's possible and it could be open season on this lame duck club this summer.

Moneysmacker,Enormou
s potential gets you nowhere unless you are prepared to utilise that potential.I have to admit I have not seen anything this year of Burgess but from all the reports I receive from friends who attend every match he has been rubbish.I will see for myself the next four or five weeks as I will be back in England.I have already told my friend to get me a ticket for next week against Wigan before they all sell out.P.S. Fielden had all the potential but he chose to believe all that was written of him,where as it got him.

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Moneysmacker,Enormou s potential gets you nowhere unless you are prepared to utilise that potential.I have to admit I have not seen anything this year of Burgess but from all the reports I receive from friends who attend every match he has been rubbish.I will see for myself the next four or five weeks as I will be back in England.I have already told my friend to get me a ticket for next week against Wigan before they all sell out.P.S. Fielden had all the potential but he chose to believe all that was written of him,where as it got him.

I think that has been a bit of Burgess' problem this season Spanglish, he is starting to believe a bit of his own hype.

The lad has to shoulder an enormous burden of expectation for one so young, no doubt. But, he has brought that on himself with his performances in the last couple of years, it also goes with the territory if you want to be a top sportsman.

However, although we could perhaps expect a dip in form, what he has served up this year has been very poor, with probably the only exception being Saints away. At Leeds two weeks ago, he was owned for the 80 by Kylie Leuleuai and i would venture to say his brother Luke has trained on past him this season.

I hope he gets back to his best and has a chance to play in a more successful Bulls side, which would undobtedly help him but he also has to raise his own level.

Good luck Sam The British game will be the worse off losing players to the NRL! Sky keep banging on How pedestrian it is..Nothing to do with losing the Rights to Sultana tghen Steveo? IDIOTS

Hood and Macca out, your a ******* joke the pair of you. Do the right thing WALK please.

Burgess is not tough or experienced enough to make an impact in the NRL.
Glen Morrison can give him at least 10 years and is twice the player he is!

With out a doubt sam will go to Oz i reckon he knew the bulls deal was a mistake as soon as he signed the contract, he has always wanted to go to Oz and has made no secret of that. He is a wasted talent at Bulls if they get an offer from Manly they will release him for sure! sad i know but its inevitable!

bullyG wrote:
With out a doubt sam will go to Oz i reckon he knew the bulls deal was a mistake as soon as he signed the contract, he has always wanted to go to Oz and has made no secret of that. He is a wasted talent at Bulls if they get an offer from Manly they will release him for sure! sad i know but its inevitable!

I don't think the club will release him bullyG unless he winds the contract down to the end (end 2011 season).

The club cannot afford to just give him away to anybody. The impact this sale (if there is any thruth in it) will have on the fans is going to be devastating to this club. The lapsed fans will stay just that and a number of those hovering/becoming disillusioned will join them in their armchairs when they see the complete lack of ambition this sale will indicate.

I think we all know he will go eventually and if that is at the end of his contract, i think we will say, thanks for the memories and good luck but to see him go now would be another nail in the coffin of this club (even for a fee of a million $AU).

Powers that be up there would sell their grannies if they could make a fast buck to fritter away.Remember Stu where's the money from his sale gone....Oh yeah i 4got we had to pay Whino's out for some has been welsh man.One things for sure doubt the club would benefit from any sale of Sam

Ralphie wrote:
Burgess is not tough or experienced enough to make an impact in the NRL. Glen Morrison can give him at least 10 years and is twice the player he is!

No, and neither are the whole host of other rookies that make the step up to NRL every single year.

Burgess would make the transisition with ease.

Jeeeez.

Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:

Ralphie wrote: Burgess is not tough or experienced enough to make an impact in the NRL. Glen Morrison can give him at least 10 years and is twice the player he is!

No, and neither are the whole host of other rookies that make the step up to NRL every single year. Burgess would make the transisition with ease. Jeeeez.

Those rookies earn their place in the NRL each year by their performances in the reserve grades.
Compared to Ellis and Morley its like sending one of the Bullettes!

he will go either this year or next with a 1 million manly deal, bulls couldnt refuse and if they do a swap like there are talks of it would make it easier, its not hard to get out of a contract these days! i think he would be awesome over there the lifestyle is fantastic i wouldnt blame him if he did. It would be a massive loss to the Bulls and the english game but he would be silly to waste the opportunity if its viable.

Nice to see that "no one player is bigger than the club" oh except if you're Sam Burgess. Again, get a grip! Frankly, if he doesn't wanna be here (and he's playing like that) then he can go. Sorry, but it has to be said.

Clearly the lack of pride in the jersey and honour in seeing out a contract is starting to spread to the supporting masses...shame on you all because you support the club not one man.

bullyG wrote:
he will go either this year or next with a 1 million manly deal, bulls couldnt refuse and if they do a swap like there are talks of it would make it easier, its not hard to get out of a contract these days! i think he would be awesome over there the lifestyle is fantastic i wouldnt blame him if he did. It would be a massive loss to the Bulls and the english game but he would be silly to waste the opportunity if its viable.

Agreed. If I was 20 and I had the chance to go i'd jack in the Bulls and go in a second...mainly because half of the "supporters" are two faced backstabbers

Ralphie wrote:

Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:

Ralphie wrote: Burgess is not tough or experienced enough to make an impact in the NRL. Glen Morrison can give him at least 10 years and is twice the player he is!

No, and neither are the whole host of other rookies that make the step up to NRL every single year. Burgess would make the transisition with ease. Jeeeez.

Those rookies earn their place in the NRL each year by their performances in the reserve grades. Compared to Ellis and Morley its like sending one of the Bullettes!

Sam has earned his chance to play in the NRL from 3 and a half seasons of top flight club and international rugby, which is a hell of a lot more demanding than Aussie 2nd grade.

He's got a whole lot more experience than most reserve grade NRL rookies and as tough as any rookie the world over.

He's twice the player that Dave Taylor is, and he's the best thing since sliced bread down under.

He would pi$$ the NRL, might take some getting used to at first like, but Sam will be able to make the transition easily.

Adey wrote:
Nice to see that "no one player is bigger than the club" oh except if you're Sam Burgess. Again, get a grip! Frankly, if he doesn't wanna be here (and he's playing like that) then he can go. Sorry, but it has to be said. Clearly the lack of pride in the jersey and honour in seeing out a contract is starting to spread to the supporting masses...shame on you all because you support the club not one man.

at the end of the day he has a life to live and a career to build on you cant just stay at a club for pride he would never be able to leave if that was the case, hes done his best for the club what more can he do when they are playing like they are, if the rest of the club had talent like his they wouldn't be doing so bad!! i think he will be awesome in Oz!

bullyG wrote:

Adey wrote: Nice to see that "no one player is bigger than the club" oh except if you're Sam Burgess. Again, get a grip! Frankly, if he doesn't wanna be here (and he's playing like that) then he can go. Sorry, but it has to be said. Clearly the lack of pride in the jersey and honour in seeing out a contract is starting to spread to the supporting masses...shame on you all because you support the club not one man.

at the end of the day he has a life to live and a career to build on you cant just stay at a club for pride he would never be able to leave if that was the case, hes done his best for the club what more can he do when they are playing like they are, if the rest of the club had talent like his they wouldn't be doing so bad!! i think he will be awesome in Oz!

He shouldnt have signed a contract to play for us then until 2011 if he wanted to go to Australia sooner rather than later.

Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:

bullyG wrote:

Adey wrote: Nice to see that "no one player is bigger than the club" oh except if you're Sam Burgess. Again, get a grip! Frankly, if he doesn't wanna be here (and he's playing like that) then he can go. Sorry, but it has to be said. Clearly the lack of pride in the jersey and honour in seeing out a contract is starting to spread to the supporting masses...shame on you all because you support the club not one man.

at the end of the day he has a life to live and a career to build on you cant just stay at a club for pride he would never be able to leave if that was the case, hes done his best for the club what more can he do when they are playing like they are, if the rest of the club had talent like his they wouldn't be doing so bad!! i think he will be awesome in Oz!

He shouldnt have signed a contract to play for us then until 2011 if he wanted to go to Australia sooner rather than later.

but who would have expected Bulls to be so diabolical this season i sure didnt, he was expecting to play for a top class team which they have not been! he cant be expected to stick it out, wasting his career at an underachieving club!

bullyG wrote:

Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:

bullyG wrote:

Adey wrote: Nice to see that "no one player is bigger than the club" oh except if you're Sam Burgess. Again, get a grip! Frankly, if he doesn't wanna be here (and he's playing like that) then he can go. Sorry, but it has to be said. Clearly the lack of pride in the jersey and honour in seeing out a contract is starting to spread to the supporting masses...shame on you all because you support the club not one man.

at the end of the day he has a life to live and a career to build on you cant just stay at a club for pride he would never be able to leave if that was the case, hes done his best for the club what more can he do when they are playing like they are, if the rest of the club had talent like his they wouldn't be doing so bad!! i think he will be awesome in Oz!

He shouldnt have signed a contract to play for us then until 2011 if he wanted to go to Australia sooner rather than later.

but who would have expected Bulls to be so diabolical this season i sure didnt, he was expecting to play for a top class team which they have not been! he cant be expected to stick it out, wasting his career at an underachieving club!

I did, anybody could see it coming.

Anyhow that's not the point, he shouldn't walk out on his contract less that a third of the way through it especially when we need him the most and have spent the past 5 years developing him into the player he is.

If he does go then he'll be showing how much of an unloyal person he is.

Disloyal* even.

Maccaout wrote:

Adey wrote:

otleybull wrote: What's the point in contracts? He signed a 3 year deal and he should honour that. I like other Bulls fans like Sam, he's aa class act and being home grown I tend to favour him over other players. Now if he really wants to go then let him. I only want players at the club who are willing to put blood sweat and tears into turning things around.

agreed. What I would suggest is he signs an extension at Odsal for another 2 years (making him contracted to 4 after this) and then he gets "loaned" to whoever for 2 years.

Loaned out...he is a great britain international not some junior untried amateur. Why post when you clearly know nothing about rugby...

Another guise for SMFTS if not it is another idiot who can't post without having a go at someone. It was a suggestion why does this mean he knows nothing about rugby.
People like you are not welcome

Well I haven't been able to get onto the site all day so you've all been spared my rantings.
If the kid wants away, that would explain his lack of form and interest. Let him go, you can't really stop him but milk it for all it's worth as regards the fee.

Have to agree with smfts, at the time of signing his new contract he was obviously offered huge incentives and The Bulls wanted to appease the fans after all the stick they'd been getting. But he should have looked beyond the carrot if he wanted to try elsewhere. He is obviously immature and is being led by Caisley. Also it seems a little strange that every bit of transfer talk between the Bulls and any other team always involves Manly, Menzies ex club is this just coincidence?

oddshapedballs wrote:

Maccaout wrote:

Adey wrote:

otleybull wrote: What's the point in contracts? He signed a 3 year deal and he should honour that. I like other Bulls fans like Sam, he's aa class act and being home grown I tend to favour him over other players. Now if he really wants to go then let him. I only want players at the club who are willing to put blood sweat and tears into turning things around.

agreed. What I would suggest is he signs an extension at Odsal for another 2 years (making him contracted to 4 after this) and then he gets "loaned" to whoever for 2 years.

Loaned out...he is a great britain international not some junior untried amateur. Why post when you clearly know nothing about rugby...

Another guise for SMFTS if not it is another idiot who can't post without having a go at someone. It was a suggestion why does this mean he knows nothing about rugby. People like you are not welcome

That's gold coming from you, all you have done since the day you joined is have a go at people and youre still at it now. It is very very rare that you have something to say about the article or rugby league in general.

It's clear why you dont have much to say about rugby though, and that's because you know very little.