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Halley heroics can't save Bulls


Bulls 38, Castleford Tigers 40

Dave Halley did his best to inspire the Bulls to victory.

The full back made two try-saving tackles and another crucial one in midfield to end a Castleford breakaway.

The Welsh international, who has now nailed his colours to England’s mast, was equally effective on attack when the Bulls needed him most.

Already with one try under his belt, he collected the ball near his own line when his team were trailing 40-34 with seconds to go and set up Ben Jeffries for the 14th try of an afternoon that was entertaining and puzzling in equal measure.

The stand-off planted the ball down a few metres in from the right touchline but Paul Deacon’s conversion attempt drifted just wide of the far upright, allowing the Tigers to complete a Super League double.

The Tigers surrendered leads of 12-4 and 34-22 at various stages of what was a scrappy encounter, while the Bulls had been 22-12 in front at half-time.

Both sides scored seven tries but Dean Widders’ remarkable 80-metre interception score from Terry Newton’s pass with seven minutes remaining ultimately proved decisive, despite almost being caught by a game Nick Scruton.

The reliable Joe Westerman landed six goals for the visitors.

Castleford first went ahead after Semi Tadulala lost a Rangi Chase kick under pressure and Michael Shenton pounced.

Tadulala soon made amends after a Castleford mistake at the restart, Jordan Thompson putting a foot on the sideline from Deacon’s high and swirling kick, allowing the Bulls to go straight back on the attack.

Fiji winger Tadulala was on hand to finish in the corner from Halley’s pass but, tellingly as it later turned out, Deacon’s conversion attempt bounced out off the near upright.

A good break by the in-form Chris Nero moments later almost created a chance for Newton to give the Bulls the lead but a better option than the inside pass to the hooker might have been an outside pass to left winger Tadulala.

The Tigers responded strongly, with a short Ryan McGoldrick pass putting the influential Chase strolling over by the posts.

Westerman’s second conversion gave the visitors a 12-4 lead but Bradford hit back with three more tries to take a ten-point lead into the break.

Halley claimed the first of them from a Deacon pass after another Tigers error at a restart offered the Bulls a way back into the game.

McGoldrick had spilt Deacon’s kick and then Halley’s injection of pace gave the Bulls something when their attack looked far too static, which caused frustration among the Bulls faithful.

Newton put Scruton over for his first Bulls try in what was his 19th appearance and Halley was denied a second when another Newton pass was ruled forward as the hooker looked to add to his tally of assists.

Then Halley showed his defensive qualities to keep out opposing full back Richard Owen, before Westerman lost the ball near the Bulls line.

The Bulls finished the first half with a flourish that was loudly appreciated by the home fans.

Jeffries found a gap in the Tigers defence after throwing a beautiful dummy and Michael Worrincy completed the attack by outpacing Shenton and Kirk Netherton to the line when it looked like he might be caught; a superb try.

However, Bradford surrendered their position of dominance in remarkable fashion by conceding four tries within the opening 13 minutes of the second half, bettering the three they had let in to lose a match they should have won at The Jungle earlier this season.

The first try was almost a carbon copy of the opener as Tadulala missed a Chase kick while under severe pressure and Shenton this time set up youngster Thompson, who was making his first start for the visitors.

Tadulala missed a tackle in Castleford’s next attack and Shenton cut inside for his second in what was the most obvious example of the Bulls’ weak defence.

It was tough luck on Halley, who had missed Netherton but caught him seconds later down Bradford’s right wing.

A brilliant Halley tackle then denied Mike Wainwright but the Tigers were not kept out for long as Chase sold Deacon a dummy to cross for his second try.

The capitulation continued as McGoldrick sent Westerman on his way to the line with a clever pass as the Tigers continued to offload at will.

The momentum shifted back in Bradford’s favour as Deacon set up Sam Burgess with a fierce pass, before Jeffries went over from a Newton pass to level the scores at 34-34.

Ironically, they were then effectively reduced to 14 men, with a groggy Deacon hanging back in midfield after receiving treatment following a blow when trying to pull off a tackle in centre-field.

Widders put Cas back in front by picking off a Newton pass and sprinting some 80 metres to the Bulls line.

Burgess collected Deacon’s short kick-off, James Donaldson came on for his Bulls debut in the 76th minute as a replacement for Worrincy and there was still time for one last twist as man-of-the-match Halley’s break set up Jeffries but Deacon was narrowly unable to add the goal.

Attendance: 8,971

Comments(51)

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
7:54pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Step forward Dave Halley, Terry Newton, Nick Scruton, you are the only ones with any balls.

All the rest need to take a serious look at themselves.

rugbystuff says...
7:59pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Sam Burgess signed for aus nrl outfit not sure who yet for next season to be announced on thursday

from a very reliable source!

PWWof Idle says...
8:31pm Sun 5 Jul 09

It will be interesting what Political Oratory Steve Mac. will pour forward this time ; like our Politicians , he graps his salary + "within the rules" expenses , but he's so out of touch with the true reality of the situation ! The once Club World Champions (not so long ago) are now also rans , who might be playing Keighley in the near future ! Hood wants the Odsal Sporting Village to be up & running , but I'm afraid the attending figures will be in the hundreds (if lucky) Come on Hood & Mac. etc do the honourable thing & walk ,before you DESTROY the Bulls completely.

haitch says...
8:43pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Not many posting then? and can you blame them. We are all lost for words.

It seems nothing short of a Caisley, Brian Smith rescue type package will turn this club around.

Current management do not have a clue.

andy j says...
8:43pm Sun 5 Jul 09

i want to know what macnamara said at half time, we went in 22 points to 10 in front and then from the restart conceded 24 points in 13 minutes there wasnt many bulls players on that pitch today fit to wear the shirt! sheriffe had a shocker deacs is well past his sell by date hes been bashed once too often, smfts is spot on halley was awesome and saved us a few times at the back. hull kr next week i cant see us making the playoffs and would it make any difference if we did. we have now the 2nd worse defence in superleague.

Maccaout says...
8:44pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Do the right thing Macca.......walk

haitch says...
8:48pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Maybe the 'Steampigs' got swine flu??

You are dead right andyj if by some fluke they made the play-offs I reckon Bulls will be right at the forefront when Saints choose their own opponents!.

eadwager says...
8:58pm Sun 5 Jul 09

A “puzzling and entertaining game” is not wrong, but not in equal measure I am afraid.

The Puzzlement is caused by a combination of soduku with the substitutions, word search at half time in the dressing room, or what happened next from a question of sport. Probably more appropriate an episode of game for a laugh.
Our willingness to relinquish winning positions is becoming embarrassing and from a Bulls point of view this type of entertainment has to be classified as savage amusement, and I don’t know how much more I can take.

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
8:59pm Sun 5 Jul 09

McNamara is clueless.

It showed today when we went in with a 12 point lead and then came out and fluffed it. 24 points conceded without reply is an absolute disgrace. To many times we have bombed the lead and lost the game, then we hear Steve Macca tell us we'll get it right, yet the exact same thing happens a week later. He clearly does not know what he is doing and it's now about time we had a change.

All of you who defend him, how the hell can you continue?

kitman says...
9:05pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Can't believe what i have just witnessed 22-12 up at half time. then a 24 point blitz. what Sheriffe Deacon and Sykes had been doing at the half time break.MACCA again no backs on the bench.Halley playing out of his skin. And Deacon a chance to draw the match at the end.Does anyone believe we can make the play-offs after watching to-days game!!!

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
9:07pm Sun 5 Jul 09

kitman wrote:
Can't believe what i have just witnessed 22-12 up at half time. then a 24 point blitz. what Sheriffe Deacon and Sykes had been doing at the half time break.MACCA again no backs on the bench.Halley playing out of his skin. And Deacon a chance to draw the match at the end.Does anyone believe we can make the play-offs after watching to-days game!!!
No. But we can't blame Deacon for losing the game on missing the kick.

A kicker can't lose you the game.

t'old man says...
10:00pm Sun 5 Jul 09

whats it going to be ? nine matches to go plenty of points to play for ! good team spirit ! some positive displays ! some lapses of concentration ! there you go Macca which ones you gonna pick ? obviously it wont be the right one which is I quit !!! lets admit it the season is finished and it has been for a long time, if as Macca says he has the clubs best interests at heart he should go and the club should bring in a new coach to prepare for next season and if Hood and co dont have the guts to give Macca the push they should walk as well I know people will say who will step in but surely one of the most successful clubs in the super league era will be able to find someone to take their places,lets be honest if the current coach and board are still in place next season things are goig to be a lot worse I along with others have said it before but a return to the old Northern days are just waiting to happen and belive me for those of you lucky enough not to remember them things were a hell of a lot worse than they are now.

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
10:51pm Sun 5 Jul 09

rugbystuff wrote:
Sam Burgess signed for aus nrl outfit not sure who yet for next season to be announced on thursday from a very reliable source!
If that happens then the club can f*ck right off with their building for the future bullsh!t that theyve started spouting to the gullible majority amongst Bulls fans.

Personally I take everything the Bulls say nowadays with a pinch of salt.

I did once hear that Macca was the best young coach in super league.

How wide of the mark was that though?

haitch says...
11:14pm Sun 5 Jul 09

Seen text on Sky?

Macca says "If both sides carry on like that,gifting that amount of posession,niether side will go on and do much more"

So there you have it.

It's impossible to say why Macca sees himself as remote from the team. As though he has nothing to do with their plight.
When will he see that only S/L whipping boys Celtic have a worse defensive record and that his team and the way they are coached are simply not good enough and when will Mr Hood tell us what he intends to do to halt this slide?. I haven't seen one positive comment as it would be rediculous for anyone to try to defend what's happening.

Tricky Dicky says...
11:23pm Sun 5 Jul 09

I read on another blog-site that the Bulls had reverted to Northern! In other words, the current board of directors (a bit of a contradiction in terms but I'll go along with it) are more interested in financial remuneration than success. A smaller wage bill and no ground improvements tied to an annual income from SKY means that not one of the major shareholders are going to be out of pocket. They are harvesting their nuts in anticipation of losing the Super League licence. I firmly believe Peter Hood, his board and his coaching stooges do not have the interests of Bradford at heart, only their bank balances. The loss of Newton to Wakefield and the much speculated upon sale of Sam Burgess to Manly further emphasises this point. Unfortunately, there is little we can do. The only hope is for a boardroom coup but talk from that area is eerily silent. Long suffering fans expect to suffer a little longer.

stever says...
11:24pm Sun 5 Jul 09

To make the play offs we will need to win at least 7 from the last 10 games which is a 77% win ratio and this season to date we have a 33% win ratio.

sooty123 says...
12:26am Mon 6 Jul 09

halley was fantastic today, but deac's,sykes,sherrif
fe, were poor .why does macca insist on playing under performers ? why put donaldson on for only 4 mins,he showed commitment with 4 tackles in a row ,give the youngsters a chance

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
12:30am Mon 6 Jul 09

sooty123 wrote:
halley was fantastic today, but deac's,sykes,sherrif fe, were poor .why does macca insist on playing under performers ? why put donaldson on for only 4 mins,he showed commitment with 4 tackles in a row ,give the youngsters a chance
Because he dare not play them for longer than 4 minutes on their first game.

Stuart says...
5:19am Mon 6 Jul 09

If you let an old man who cant get a game in the NRL run 80 metres to score then you do not deserve to win. If this Sam Burgess does comes to Manly it will be to teach him how to play the game at the best level possible although from reading all your posts he has a long way to go. A couple of years in Many's reserve grade will do him good.I have watched Gareth Ellis play all this season and he is at last learning how to tackle and play football, he had a good game Saturday. He will come back to the UK a good footballer, but he needs to be brought back before he gets too old. I hope Northern ( sorry) The Bulls dont give up yet, they can still make the play offs, they only need to win all their last games to get in.Get Beaver fireing he can still do it when he wants.
Go the Storm

Stuart says...
5:19am Mon 6 Jul 09

If you let an old man who cant get a game in the NRL run 80 metres to score then you do not deserve to win. If this Sam Burgess does comes to Manly it will be to teach him how to play the game at the best level possible although from reading all your posts he has a long way to go. A couple of years in Many's reserve grade will do him good.I have watched Gareth Ellis play all this season and he is at last learning how to tackle and play football, he had a good game Saturday. He will come back to the UK a good footballer, but he needs to be brought back before he gets too old. I hope Northern ( sorry) The Bulls dont give up yet, they can still make the play offs, they only need to win all their last games to get in.Get Beaver fireing he can still do it when he wants.
Go the Storm

howard naylor says...
8:42am Mon 6 Jul 09

Absolutely Priceless. Steve Mac for the Not laughed as much since the Chumpions League Final!
LOL

Adey says...
9:10am Mon 6 Jul 09

Whoa people, calm down. OK we lost, but calling for the coach's head every time we lose is naive and frankly stupid. There was clearly nothing wrong with the game plan because we scored some superb tries and Dave Halley has really stepped up as a pivot and shown not only his class but the heart and determination we need, maybe not this time around but for the next couple of years.

Frankly, Burgess won't leave...because he's signed up and we're not stupid enough to sell him...and if we did we'd want a huge chunk of change. It's the same reliable sources that see Lynch going to Cas and Vainikolo moving to Leeds...it's all scare mongering.

Personally, I think we did pretty well. The halves looked sharp, Nero looked dangerous, the pack was very good and even the 10mins that Donaldson had on showed that we have future players that will add to squad. Not all doom and gloom and Cas aren't a poor side.

On the downside, we compounded our own loss with stupid errors. Dropping the ball at will, poor line defence. The wingers are shocking...the worst game i've seen from Tadulala since he arrived and frankly he didn't look interested (probably because rumour is he's off to Gloucester RU at the end of the year). Newton played well but the intercept pass that evidently cost us the game was telegraphed, he waited way too long to fire it out. Sheriffe can only go backwards, Sykes turnstyle defence is turning into a real pain in the backside and the lack of support play is embarrassing.

Face facts, we're not doing anything this year, but you can't blame lack of commitment on the coach. Once they cross the whitewash, it's all players.

Incidently, rumour mill again, Tad to Gloucester, Jeffries to Celtics, Newton to Wakefield....you heard it here first.

cj says...
9:34am Mon 6 Jul 09

agree with most of what you say adey. cas are not in the top 8 for nothing, it's because they are a good side, we should have beaten them but we didn't, as i've been saying for months, sheriffe and sykes leak tries like yorkshire water leak water! langley wouldn't be paid with washers if i were in charge of the purse strings and the sooner newton goes to wakey the better.
sam isn't the same player as last year . on a possitive, i thought lynch and scruton played well. at least we wont have to fork out for play off games this year.

Gumshoe says...
9:38am Mon 6 Jul 09

Beyond a joke now! Halley was excellent as was our forward line, Newton was rubbish and if Wakey want him then let them have him. He gave away the last try to a fat old man to run length of field and the only one chasing was Scruton who would have got him if ankle tapped on 20 metres. It was last play and Newton should have kicked but instead threw pathetic pass! Wagga did ok when came on, had much more succes than Newton but once again Mac's substitutions were garbage as he put Newton back on!
Wings were nowhere but it is no excuse that we cannot tie a ball up in a tackle numerous times, we were (Halley apart) shamed on the pace front and also how Chase ran the show in the middle.
Cas fan sat next to me said we should have had game over by half time!!

Huge clear out needed, starting at the top and at least 5 players out and fresh blood brought in or give people like Hyde and crack!

Season over for 2009, laughing stock again and still the likes of KR, Wigan, Dragons to compete with over coming weeks plus Quins....we might get a result at Celtic, Hull and Salford but I aint holding breath!

Ralphie says...
10:00am Mon 6 Jul 09

I agree with most of Adeys comments. The game plan was working in the first half and presumably at half time Macca did not tell them to lay off tackling for 15 minutes to make a game of it so how is it totally down to him again?
It's difficult to see Burgess going to play down under since he is under contract and the Aussie clubs do not appear to pay transfer fees. However if we can get a fee for him I would let him go since he has done nothing this season but put clause in the contract similar to Harris and Leeds giving us first option if he returns to the UK.
Tad to Gloucester? you'd have thought they'd learnt their lesson signing players from the Bulls! We could then keep Tupou - is he still at the Bulls, have n't heard anything about his appeal?

Adey says...
10:13am Mon 6 Jul 09

Ralphie wrote:
I agree with most of Adeys comments. The game plan was working in the first half and presumably at half time Macca did not tell them to lay off tackling for 15 minutes to make a game of it so how is it totally down to him again? It's difficult to see Burgess going to play down under since he is under contract and the Aussie clubs do not appear to pay transfer fees. However if we can get a fee for him I would let him go since he has done nothing this season but put clause in the contract similar to Harris and Leeds giving us first option if he returns to the UK. Tad to Gloucester? you'd have thought they'd learnt their lesson signing players from the Bulls! We could then keep Tupou - is he still at the Bulls, have n't heard anything about his appeal?
Absolutely, we didn't start particularly well and then we hit our straps in the second quarter. Now I'm no SL coach, but I find it hard to believe Macca took them inside and said "Slap on the tanning lotion boys, we're in for an easy ride in the 2nd Half". Fact of the matter is, 4 tries in 13 mins is worrying and all of them down the same flank. I've said before and I'll say again, Sykes & Nero need to swap sides because Sheriffe is suspect in defence and normally Tadulala is solid as a rock...although yesterday he got flattened twice and shot out of the line, missed the tackle and looked a complete numpty when they strolled (and I do mean STROLLED) in.

haitch says...
10:13am Mon 6 Jul 09

Sorry adey,calling for the coaches head is neither naive or stupid. In fact those insinuations could be made against anyone who makes a case for the coach.

Bulls have shipped in 117 points in the last 3 games and even let Celtic score 30. The record is abysmal and no way is Macca without responsisility for this. Any coach worth his salt would stop blaming the players and hang his head in shame!.

Tricky Dicky says...
10:31am Mon 6 Jul 09

I really find it hard to believe that some pundits on here still refuse to apportion some (most) of the blame on the coach. He contracts the players, he produces the training regimes, he sets the game plans and he motivates the side. How on earth can some of you see that none of this is Mr MacNamara's fault is beyond me? If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to sack a coach! Come back Mr Millward; come back Mr Sharp; come back Mr Harrison; come back Mr Lowes; it's not your fault - it's the players. Football has got it all wrong; Cricket has got it all wrong; American Football has got it all wrong. Thank goodness for the Bulls showing that the coach can do no wrong, is above reproach and deserves absolute loyalty and devotion (even after three and a half years of gradual decline). Don't worry Gordon Brown and Labour. Get Adey, Ralphie and cj on your case. They'll convince everyone how it's not your fault but all those civil servants not doing as they are told!

haitch says...
10:43am Mon 6 Jul 09

Tricky Dicky wrote:
I really find it hard to believe that some pundits on here still refuse to apportion some (most) of the blame on the coach. He contracts the players, he produces the training regimes, he sets the game plans and he motivates the side. How on earth can some of you see that none of this is Mr MacNamara's fault is beyond me? If that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to sack a coach! Come back Mr Millward; come back Mr Sharp; come back Mr Harrison; come back Mr Lowes; it's not your fault - it's the players. Football has got it all wrong; Cricket has got it all wrong; American Football has got it all wrong. Thank goodness for the Bulls showing that the coach can do no wrong, is above reproach and deserves absolute loyalty and devotion (even after three and a half years of gradual decline). Don't worry Gordon Brown and Labour. Get Adey, Ralphie and cj on your case. They'll convince everyone how it's not your fault but all those civil servants not doing as they are told!
Exactly, Tricky. On the basis of those defending Macca, does any team need a coach at all?


flashdonut says...
10:43am Mon 6 Jul 09

Word is Burgess to Manly for aus$600 000.

The Bulls will sign Heath L'estrange from Manly on a seperate deal (his contract is up ats end of season), and Newton to Wakefield.

If Burgess wants to get to Aus, then good luck. Can't blame the kid.

Just hope the Bulls hold his SL licence, so that if he ever comes back to SL, Bradford is where he comes.

haitch says...
10:47am Mon 6 Jul 09

Selling Burgess for mega bucks might just be good business practice.

Handing a huge wedge of that cash to Macca to sign replacements would be a disaster!.

Ralphie says...
11:23am Mon 6 Jul 09

I do n't think anyone is suggesting that Macca does n't have any responsibility for the performances this season. He selects the team and formulates the game plan, but how many games have we lost this season because players have not played for the full eighty minutes or because they have made stupid mistakes?
Wakefield are in sixth position in league but are they any better than us? Cas beat us twice but I do n't think they are any better than us.
The players have to take a big share of the blame for what has happened this season. Yesterday was predictable with people calling for Maccas head once more. No one was shouting at Tadulala for playing rubbish or Langley for being virtually ineffective al season.

Adey says...
11:42am Mon 6 Jul 09

Ralphie wrote:
I do n't think anyone is suggesting that Macca does n't have any responsibility for the performances this season. He selects the team and formulates the game plan, but how many games have we lost this season because players have not played for the full eighty minutes or because they have made stupid mistakes?
Wakefield are in sixth position in league but are they any better than us? Cas beat us twice but I do n't think they are any better than us.
The players have to take a big share of the blame for what has happened this season. Yesterday was predictable with people calling for Maccas head once more. No one was shouting at Tadulala for playing rubbish or Langley for being virtually ineffective al season.
Exactly, Tadulala was flattened twice and they scored, Newton's poor pass intercepted was poor. You can't tell me that Macca or any other coach out there would stop Shenton putting Tad on his backside.

We've taken a punt on some players and they frankly haven't delivered...(newton not even signed by macca btw). But this isn't the first time and it won't be the last.

haitch says...
11:49am Mon 6 Jul 09

Ralphie wrote:
I do n't think anyone is suggesting that Macca does n't have any responsibility for the performances this season. He selects the team and formulates the game plan, but how many games have we lost this season because players have not played for the full eighty minutes or because they have made stupid mistakes? Wakefield are in sixth position in league but are they any better than us? Cas beat us twice but I do n't think they are any better than us. The players have to take a big share of the blame for what has happened this season. Yesterday was predictable with people calling for Maccas head once more. No one was shouting at Tadulala for playing rubbish or Langley for being virtually ineffective al season.
There is a real quality in a top coach Ralphie. It's the ability to motivate men. To prevent players from 'having off days' and to devise, first and foremost a defensive strategy on which all successful teams build.
It's the same in any business. Weak management results in lack of effort from the staff. It's natural and it's why top managers are successful and get results.

Macca does not have these qualities. The players are not giving him 100% each game and its all because of his inability to impose himself. He is the Coach, the buck stops with him. If players are allowed to play less than 100% game after game, which is the case at the Bulls, it is the Coach's Fault and not the players.

locky1667 says...
12:20pm Mon 6 Jul 09

I must say young Halley did well today for a small lad! His mum will be a proud woman today working in that bakery at Tescos

Ralphie says...
1:07pm Mon 6 Jul 09

haitch wrote:
Ralphie wrote: I do n't think anyone is suggesting that Macca does n't have any responsibility for the performances this season. He selects the team and formulates the game plan, but how many games have we lost this season because players have not played for the full eighty minutes or because they have made stupid mistakes? Wakefield are in sixth position in league but are they any better than us? Cas beat us twice but I do n't think they are any better than us. The players have to take a big share of the blame for what has happened this season. Yesterday was predictable with people calling for Maccas head once more. No one was shouting at Tadulala for playing rubbish or Langley for being virtually ineffective al season.
There is a real quality in a top coach Ralphie. It's the ability to motivate men. To prevent players from 'having off days' and to devise, first and foremost a defensive strategy on which all successful teams build. It's the same in any business. Weak management results in lack of effort from the staff. It's natural and it's why top managers are successful and get results. Macca does not have these qualities. The players are not giving him 100% each game and its all because of his inability to impose himself. He is the Coach, the buck stops with him. If players are allowed to play less than 100% game after game, which is the case at the Bulls, it is the Coach's Fault and not the players.
Haitch, I take your point but I think you are wrong in laying the blame totally at Maccas doorstep. I do n't think theres a coach in super league that has the attributes that you are describing.
When players cross the whitewash they have to take responsibility for their own performances and this has not been happening this season. We have lost 5 games by 6 points or less and drawn one, if these games had gone our way we would be third.
Langley has been terrible this season, Scruton dissapointing, Burgess nowhere near previous seasons, Morrison missing for most of the season as well as Solomona yet these are players that we all would have built the team around at the start of the season.
Macca like all other coaches operates under the salary cap and once you get 3 or 4 players out you have nowhere to go in terms of team selection.
Macca has a long way to go to prove himself a good coach but I am not prepared to place all the blame for this season on his shoulders.

Bankfootboy says...
1:09pm Mon 6 Jul 09

I'm just gonna post on here what I said in another thread last Friday.

Steve McNamara is a nice bloke, we all know that. But it's not all about being a nice bloke. He doesn't have the tactical adeptness of a Justin Morgan or Nathan Brown. IMHO it's time that the chairman started thinking of the club and its future and got someone to coach who knows what they're doing. We all know Mr McNamara's desire to coach a Super League team, all well and good, I want to be an international rock star but it ain t gonna happen! Macca might be able to learn some coaching skills but he should do it with a lower league team and work his way up to a Super League team if he succeeds in breeding a winning culture. I suspect though if he can't do it in three seasons he aint gonna do it at this level.

spanglishbull.uk says...
1:51pm Mon 6 Jul 09


Ralphie,Of course once the players cross the whitewash they have to take the responsibility for their performance,that is the whole point,they dont,so what should the coach do,play them in the reserves until they do.Unfortuately that would not solve the problem at Odsal because certain players at Odsal dont give a toss for the supporters or the club as long as they get their paypacket and anybody who thinks differently is living in cuckoo land.

haitch says...
2:07pm Mon 6 Jul 09

Ralphie wrote:
haitch wrote:
Ralphie wrote: I do n't think anyone is suggesting that Macca does n't have any responsibility for the performances this season. He selects the team and formulates the game plan, but how many games have we lost this season because players have not played for the full eighty minutes or because they have made stupid mistakes? Wakefield are in sixth position in league but are they any better than us? Cas beat us twice but I do n't think they are any better than us. The players have to take a big share of the blame for what has happened this season. Yesterday was predictable with people calling for Maccas head once more. No one was shouting at Tadulala for playing rubbish or Langley for being virtually ineffective al season.
There is a real quality in a top coach Ralphie. It's the ability to motivate men. To prevent players from 'having off days' and to devise, first and foremost a defensive strategy on which all successful teams build. It's the same in any business. Weak management results in lack of effort from the staff. It's natural and it's why top managers are successful and get results. Macca does not have these qualities. The players are not giving him 100% each game and its all because of his inability to impose himself. He is the Coach, the buck stops with him. If players are allowed to play less than 100% game after game, which is the case at the Bulls, it is the Coach's Fault and not the players.
Haitch, I take your point but I think you are wrong in laying the blame totally at Maccas doorstep. I do n't think theres a coach in super league that has the attributes that you are describing. When players cross the whitewash they have to take responsibility for their own performances and this has not been happening this season. We have lost 5 games by 6 points or less and drawn one, if these games had gone our way we would be third. Langley has been terrible this season, Scruton dissapointing, Burgess nowhere near previous seasons, Morrison missing for most of the season as well as Solomona yet these are players that we all would have built the team around at the start of the season. Macca like all other coaches operates under the salary cap and once you get 3 or 4 players out you have nowhere to go in terms of team selection. Macca has a long way to go to prove himself a good coach but I am not prepared to place all the blame for this season on his shoulders.
Hi Ralphie, we'll agree to differ on this mate, I believe in paying a manager/coach to do his job and don't accept "the boys won't do as I tell them".

Ralphie says...
2:15pm Mon 6 Jul 09

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Ralphie,Of course once the players cross the whitewash they have to take the responsibility for their performance,that is the whole point,they dont,so what should the coach do,play them in the reserves until they do.Unfortuately that would not solve the problem at Odsal because certain players at Odsal dont give a toss for the supporters or the club as long as they get their paypacket and anybody who thinks differently is living in cuckoo land.
Because of the size of the squads and the inevitability of injuries how many players in super league teams are in danger of being dropped?
I might be living in cuckoo land but I find it difficult to identify the players you are talking about at Odsal.
Certainly players are not under pressure for their places because of the reasons I have previously mentioned but that must apply to most SL clubs

spanglishbull.uk says...
3:07pm Mon 6 Jul 09


The players I am talking about Ralphie are the below average players now playing at the club who were not wanted by their previous clubs because they were not good enough,they are laughing all the way to the bank,because lets face it,who else in Super League would have signed Sherriffe,Worrincey,
Platt,Scruton,Jeffer
ies,the list is endless.Let me make it clear,obviously players will take the overpaid wages they receive,but they should never have had that opportunity in the first place.Who is to blame,rank bad judgement on McNamaras part and rank bad management on the Boards part.Do you honestly think if the club released any of these players anybody in Super League would be queing up for their signature.No.

Ralphie says...
3:24pm Mon 6 Jul 09

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
The players I am talking about Ralphie are the below average players now playing at the club who were not wanted by their previous clubs because they were not good enough,they are laughing all the way to the bank,because lets face it,who else in Super League would have signed Sherriffe,Worrincey, Platt,Scruton,Jeffer ies,the list is endless.Let me make it clear,obviously players will take the overpaid wages they receive,but they should never have had that opportunity in the first place.Who is to blame,rank bad judgement on McNamaras part and rank bad management on the Boards part.Do you honestly think if the club released any of these players anybody in Super League would be queing up for their signature.No.
I think that there's a world of difference between players who are not good enough and who do n't give a toss.
Of the players you mention whilst I would n't defend the ability of those players you mention I certainly think they probably try their hardest when they are playing.
The player who has all the ability but has not looked interested this season is Burgess!

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
4:32pm Mon 6 Jul 09

He is the Coach, the buck stops with him.

Can't blame the players, theyre simply not good enough, but he's signed them instead of signing players that know how to play thats why we are where we are right now.


Told you that this season would be a disaster.


McBanna must walk or be fired.

Steampig says...
5:06pm Mon 6 Jul 09

Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:
He is the Coach, the buck stops with him. Can't blame the players, theyre simply not good enough, but he's signed them instead of signing players that know how to play thats why we are where we are right now. Told you that this season would be a disaster. McBanna must walk or be fired.
fully agree with you, macca signed em, macca coaches em, Macca picks the team, its entirely his responsibility he wont walk though, he either has a deluded belief that he can sort out the mess he caused, or more likely he just dose not give a **** about the club and will keep on doing what ever it is he does for as long as the Pay Cheque keeps coming. and since he wont walk and hood wont sack him we are stuck with him.

cj says...
5:24pm Mon 6 Jul 09

have to say that worrincy has been one of the better signings. langley needs to be dropped and try a young un in there, he hasn't performed for at least 2 seasons.
scruton was just about the best man on the field yesterday.
the season is over for us so there is nothing to be lost now by blooding the youngsters, sykes should be dropped and newton sent on his way now. just no where near good enough.
does the coach tell sykes to drop 2 good passes, or newtons shocking pass? or nero's pass to the wrong player, or the forward pass (that i didn't think was) that resulted in a try disallowed??? these are the things that cost us the game and i will defend macca, but it is time to drop the afore mentioned players.

haitch says...
5:36pm Mon 6 Jul 09

cj wrote:
have to say that worrincy has been one of the better signings. langley needs to be dropped and try a young un in there, he hasn't performed for at least 2 seasons. scruton was just about the best man on the field yesterday. the season is over for us so there is nothing to be lost now by blooding the youngsters, sykes should be dropped and newton sent on his way now. just no where near good enough. does the coach tell sykes to drop 2 good passes, or newtons shocking pass? or nero's pass to the wrong player, or the forward pass (that i didn't think was) that resulted in a try disallowed??? these are the things that cost us the game and i will defend macca, but it is time to drop the afore mentioned players.
cj, I respect your defence of Macca if that's what you want to do.
The way I see it is that it's the coaches job to get his players to respect the ball and ball posession. Is it not the coaches job to come down hard on players who make poor decisions and make it clear he will not tollerate such a lack of professionalism? Macca seems incapable of imposing his authority. As you say these players need dropping but isn't it Maccas job to do that? If so how can anyone defend him for not doing his job?

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
9:20pm Mon 6 Jul 09

Macca just wants to be the players dad, that's it.

oddshapedballs says...
10:28pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:
rugbystuff wrote: Sam Burgess signed for aus nrl outfit not sure who yet for next season to be announced on thursday from a very reliable source!
If that happens then the club can f*ck right off with their building for the future bullsh!t that theyve started spouting to the gullible majority amongst Bulls fans. Personally I take everything the Bulls say nowadays with a pinch of salt. I did once hear that Macca was the best young coach in super league. How wide of the mark was that though?
University educated! Think not

oddshapedballs says...
10:32pm Tue 7 Jul 09

Can someone tell Bill Marshall that in rugby league when a team is reduced by one player that makes 12!!!!!

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
11:23pm Wed 8 Jul 09

oddshapedballs wrote:
Steve Mac for the Sack wrote:
rugbystuff wrote: Sam Burgess signed for aus nrl outfit not sure who yet for next season to be announced on thursday from a very reliable source!
If that happens then the club can f*ck right off with their building for the future bullsh!t that theyve started spouting to the gullible majority amongst Bulls fans. Personally I take everything the Bulls say nowadays with a pinch of salt. I did once hear that Macca was the best young coach in super league. How wide of the mark was that though?
University educated! Think not
My university would think otherwise.

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Steve Mac for the Sack says...
1:09am Thu 9 Jul 09

oddshapedballs wrote:
Can someone tell Bill Marshall that in rugby league when a team is reduced by one player that makes 12!!!!!
Do you think he knows the difference between loose and lose?

Bill probably just made a keying error as you call it.

Nothing to worry about.



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