McCall: I'll quit if we miss play-offs

Defender Matt Clarke scores his first goal for City to draw them level at 1-1 during tonight’s clash at Dean Court

Defender Matt Clarke scores his first goal for City to draw them level at 1-1 during tonight’s clash at Dean Court

First published in Sport Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford City Reporter

Gutted Stuart McCall admitted: I’ll walk out on City if we fail to reach the play-offs.

McCall delivered his bombshell after tonight’s 4-1 fiasco at Bournemouth – the fifth successive away loss. He also ruled out their chances of going up automatically.

Having watched his side suffer their third defeat in a week, McCall said: “If we don’t get in the play-offs, I won’t be here in the summer. It’s as simple as that.

"I can’t go through that because it’s killing me. Losing three away games on the trot like this is as low as it’s been this season.

“That’s it for automatic promotion now. The play-offs is what we’re aiming for – we’ve got games against Port Vale and Chester coming up and if we can’t win them then we don’t deserve to be there.

“Sometimes it’s difficult to pick myself up but I know football changes quickly and ten days ago we had just beaten Aldershot 5-0.

If we don’t get in the play-offs, I won’t be here in the summer. It’s as simple as that

Stuart McCall

“It frustrates me because I know that when we’re on our game, we’re a good squad and we’ve proved that this season. I’ve brought the players in and there are no excuses but confidence is fragile.”

Three of Bournemouth’s goals came from City blunders at the back. They have now leaked 15 in the five away losses since winning at Gillingham – a total contrast to their defensive strength at Valley Parade.

McCall added: “Bournemouth must have thought Christmas had come early – they were absolute howlers. I’ll defend my players to the hilt but individual errors like that don’t give you a chance.

“That’s probably the poorest our captain (Graeme Lee) has played all season. But he’s a good leader and a great character in the dressing room and he will come back.

“Spike was big enough to hold up his hand straight away but it wasn’t just him. If we defend like that for the rest of the season we won’t get in the play-offs.

“I’m not being a quitter. We’ve got eight games to go and I’ve got to lead from the front and demand the best.

“Nobody else is going to get us out of it. It’s down to us to amass as many points as we can to make sure we’re in the play-offs.

“Then we can start dreaming about taking 30,000 down to Wembley. But there’s a long way to go and a lot of points to play for.

“We can’t feel sorry for ourselves. I feel down now but come tomorrow at training I’ve got to get up for the players again and concentrate on Saturday.”

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11:51pm Tue 17 Mar 09

Bradford1903 says...

I know it might seem a stupid thing to say after 2nite, but we shouldn't rule out automatic promotion.

Whether we are good enough to get it is another matter, but wins in our next 2 games against Port Vale and Chester sides I would expect us to beat, and the table will look very different, believe me.

We are 5 points behind Wycombe, although they have a couple of games in hand, and 6 behind Gillingham having played the same amount.

Would we being giving up on our season if we were only 6 points off the play offs? No I didn't think so.
I know it might seem a stupid thing to say after 2nite, but we shouldn't rule out automatic promotion. Whether we are good enough to get it is another matter, but wins in our next 2 games against Port Vale and Chester sides I would expect us to beat, and the table will look very different, believe me. We are 5 points behind Wycombe, although they have a couple of games in hand, and 6 behind Gillingham having played the same amount. Would we being giving up on our season if we were only 6 points off the play offs? No I didn't think so. Bradford1903
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12:00am Wed 18 Mar 09

macca1969 says...

Well i've stuck my neck out enough defending him and to be honest now i don't care either way.The season is over and all those that think different think again.We have lost momentum and its too late to turn the tide,we might win on sat but i agree with other posters i can't see us picking more than a point up away from home.On top of that Brentford will stuff us at home my prediction although it pains me to say is we finish 8th or 9th and Stuart will walk.Will we have to pay compo then or not?
Well i've stuck my neck out enough defending him and to be honest now i don't care either way.The season is over and all those that think different think again.We have lost momentum and its too late to turn the tide,we might win on sat but i agree with other posters i can't see us picking more than a point up away from home.On top of that Brentford will stuff us at home my prediction although it pains me to say is we finish 8th or 9th and Stuart will walk.Will we have to pay compo then or not? macca1969
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12:07am Wed 18 Mar 09

Neil Rockley says...

I wrote this in the hope it would inspire Bradford City

If



If you can reach a header when all about you are missing theirs and blaming you
If you can shoot yourself instead of passing but make allowances for the rebound too
If you can run when you are tired of running
Or being talked about but don't talk about others
Or being taunted but don't give way to taunting
and yet don't look too smart or talk too much
If you can dream of glory and not make glory your master
If you can think and not let thoughts affect your aim
If you can see triumph and not disaster
and treat home games and away games just the same
If you can bear to hear results you have dreaded
Twisted by strikers that beat an off side trap for fools
Or watch your goalie beaten and stoop and build him up with worn out boots
If you can make one cross connection and all free kicks count
If you are losing and can come back and win it
and never doubt that you would win it
If you can play from your heart keep your nerve you'll win now
To swerve and turn your man sees you are gone
And hold up play when no ones with you
except the will to just hang on
If you can please the crowds and keep your shirt on
or win each game with just a touch
if neither foe's or friends can hurt you
if all the team can count on you, not one but all
If you can play for 90 minutes with both halves filled with skill
yours is the premiership and all that's with it
and which is more you'll be a man of the match my son

Inspired by a poem by Rudyard Kipling



I wrote this in the hope it would inspire Bradford City If If you can reach a header when all about you are missing theirs and blaming you If you can shoot yourself instead of passing but make allowances for the rebound too If you can run when you are tired of running Or being talked about but don't talk about others Or being taunted but don't give way to taunting and yet don't look too smart or talk too much If you can dream of glory and not make glory your master If you can think and not let thoughts affect your aim If you can see triumph and not disaster and treat home games and away games just the same If you can bear to hear results you have dreaded Twisted by strikers that beat an off side trap for fools Or watch your goalie beaten and stoop and build him up with worn out boots If you can make one cross connection and all free kicks count If you are losing and can come back and win it and never doubt that you would win it If you can play from your heart keep your nerve you'll win now To swerve and turn your man sees you are gone And hold up play when no ones with you except the will to just hang on If you can please the crowds and keep your shirt on or win each game with just a touch if neither foe's or friends can hurt you if all the team can count on you, not one but all If you can play for 90 minutes with both halves filled with skill yours is the premiership and all that's with it and which is more you'll be a man of the match my son Inspired by a poem by Rudyard Kipling Neil Rockley
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12:12am Wed 18 Mar 09

macca1969 says...

Neil Rockley wrote:
I wrote this in the hope it would inspire Bradford City If If you can reach a header when all about you are missing theirs and blaming you If you can shoot yourself instead of passing but make allowances for the rebound too If you can run when you are tired of running Or being talked about but don't talk about others Or being taunted but don't give way to taunting and yet don't look too smart or talk too much If you can dream of glory and not make glory your master If you can think and not let thoughts affect your aim If you can see triumph and not disaster and treat home games and away games just the same If you can bear to hear results you have dreaded Twisted by strikers that beat an off side trap for fools Or watch your goalie beaten and stoop and build him up with worn out boots If you can make one cross connection and all free kicks count If you are losing and can come back and win it and never doubt that you would win it If you can play from your heart keep your nerve you'll win now To swerve and turn your man sees you are gone And hold up play when no ones with you except the will to just hang on If you can please the crowds and keep your shirt on or win each game with just a touch if neither foe's or friends can hurt you if all the team can count on you, not one but all If you can play for 90 minutes with both halves filled with skill yours is the premiership and all that's with it and which is more you'll be a man of the match my son Inspired by a poem by Rudyard Kipling
Well at least it made me smile,thanks for that it might inspire my dreams any way if not the players
[quote][p][bold]Neil Rockley[/bold] wrote: I wrote this in the hope it would inspire Bradford City If If you can reach a header when all about you are missing theirs and blaming you If you can shoot yourself instead of passing but make allowances for the rebound too If you can run when you are tired of running Or being talked about but don't talk about others Or being taunted but don't give way to taunting and yet don't look too smart or talk too much If you can dream of glory and not make glory your master If you can think and not let thoughts affect your aim If you can see triumph and not disaster and treat home games and away games just the same If you can bear to hear results you have dreaded Twisted by strikers that beat an off side trap for fools Or watch your goalie beaten and stoop and build him up with worn out boots If you can make one cross connection and all free kicks count If you are losing and can come back and win it and never doubt that you would win it If you can play from your heart keep your nerve you'll win now To swerve and turn your man sees you are gone And hold up play when no ones with you except the will to just hang on If you can please the crowds and keep your shirt on or win each game with just a touch if neither foe's or friends can hurt you if all the team can count on you, not one but all If you can play for 90 minutes with both halves filled with skill yours is the premiership and all that's with it and which is more you'll be a man of the match my son Inspired by a poem by Rudyard Kipling [/p][/quote]Well at least it made me smile,thanks for that it might inspire my dreams any way if not the players macca1969
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12:25am Wed 18 Mar 09

passionate says...

Bulls and City take heed.

Macca OUT.

Good coaches make not good managers.

Bring back Jewell!!
Bulls and City take heed. Macca OUT. Good coaches make not good managers. Bring back Jewell!! passionate
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1:40am Wed 18 Mar 09

djmoulson says...

Bradford1903...I don't disagree with you, I just hope we can turn things around with the shocking words said by SM, and after the shocking performance it seems we've had tonight. SM has put his head on the block, that's for ALL to see, at this stage we should take that, and more importantly the players should see that as a BIG shake up, I honestly think we have a squad of players good enought to get promotion, but they NEED to perform for SM, they ned to want it as much as SM, I can't say how that will happen, but at least he's been honest. I'm a SM fan, I want continuity, we NEED it, and I just hope the players respond to this last ditch attempt at shaking them up. By the way...Jewell is a great choice if SM doesn't make it, God willing...he does. CTID
Bradford1903...I don't disagree with you, I just hope we can turn things around with the shocking words said by SM, and after the shocking performance it seems we've had tonight. SM has put his head on the block, that's for ALL to see, at this stage we should take that, and more importantly the players should see that as a BIG shake up, I honestly think we have a squad of players good enought to get promotion, but they NEED to perform for SM, they ned to want it as much as SM, I can't say how that will happen, but at least he's been honest. I'm a SM fan, I want continuity, we NEED it, and I just hope the players respond to this last ditch attempt at shaking them up. By the way...Jewell is a great choice if SM doesn't make it, God willing...he does. CTID djmoulson
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7:05am Wed 18 Mar 09

Freddy says...

If I recall correctly, Paul Jewell(Jagger) is now in America. I suspect he has gone into Semi-Retirement, having made sufficient money to do so. He has become 'Depressed' and has become obese, having had several personal problems. I doubt at this point in time, he will want to return to football management. Unless he runs out of money, and/or misses football management, to warrant a return.
Bradford City AFC could not afford to pay the salary that 'Jagger' would demand/command to return. He may be tempted, to return to Premier or Championship Management, providing the 'Terms'/conditions, meet with his desires and approval.
If I recall correctly, Paul Jewell(Jagger) is now in America. I suspect he has gone into Semi-Retirement, having made sufficient money to do so. He has become 'Depressed' and has become obese, having had several personal problems. I doubt at this point in time, he will want to return to football management. Unless he runs out of money, and/or misses football management, to warrant a return. Bradford City AFC could not afford to pay the salary that 'Jagger' would demand/command to return. He may be tempted, to return to Premier or Championship Management, providing the 'Terms'/conditions, meet with his desires and approval. Freddy
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7:29am Wed 18 Mar 09

keeponclucking says...

I know it's sentimental but I feel desperately sorry for Stuart,knowing he feels the hurt as much as the supporters. That's the sort of manager you want to succeed.He wanted the players to show the same passion as he did as a player but seemingly all they can do is spout about how good they are in the press before getting hammered on the pitch or worse still slope off to the pub the night before a vital game(to get hammered) - some commitment! All is not lost but it is down to the players to show some guts.If they are not prepared to do that on Sat then they should ask not to be picked & do us all a favour.As a club we have turned the corner in terms of attendances & the back room set up but some of these players will be responsible for taking us back to the days of 5,000 crowds. Conlon has only just won the crowd round & McCall looked after him when he was a target for the fans - this is how repays him. I dread to think what will happen on Sat if he comes on as a sub.I suspect the crowd will make their feelings known. Stand up & be counted City for the 8 remaining league games & show the fans you want it as much as we do.
I know it's sentimental but I feel desperately sorry for Stuart,knowing he feels the hurt as much as the supporters. That's the sort of manager you want to succeed.He wanted the players to show the same passion as he did as a player but seemingly all they can do is spout about how good they are in the press before getting hammered on the pitch or worse still slope off to the pub the night before a vital game(to get hammered) - some commitment! All is not lost but it is down to the players to show some guts.If they are not prepared to do that on Sat then they should ask not to be picked & do us all a favour.As a club we have turned the corner in terms of attendances & the back room set up but some of these players will be responsible for taking us back to the days of 5,000 crowds. Conlon has only just won the crowd round & McCall looked after him when he was a target for the fans - this is how repays him. I dread to think what will happen on Sat if he comes on as a sub.I suspect the crowd will make their feelings known. Stand up & be counted City for the 8 remaining league games & show the fans you want it as much as we do. keeponclucking
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7:59am Wed 18 Mar 09

macca1969 says...

passionate wrote:
Bulls and City take heed. Macca OUT. Good coaches make not good managers. Bring back Jewell!!
Jewell will not touch the job you are living in cuckoo land if you think he'd be even slightly tempted
[quote][p][bold]passionate[/bold] wrote: Bulls and City take heed. Macca OUT. Good coaches make not good managers. Bring back Jewell!![/p][/quote]Jewell will not touch the job you are living in cuckoo land if you think he'd be even slightly tempted macca1969
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8:15am Wed 18 Mar 09

The Russian says...

keeponclucking wrote:
I know it's sentimental but I feel desperately sorry for Stuart,knowing he feels the hurt as much as the supporters. That's the sort of manager you want to succeed.He wanted the players to show the same passion as he did as a player but seemingly all they can do is spout about how good they are in the press before getting hammered on the pitch or worse still slope off to the pub the night before a vital game(to get hammered) - some commitment! All is not lost but it is down to the players to show some guts.If they are not prepared to do that on Sat then they should ask not to be picked & do us all a favour.As a club we have turned the corner in terms of attendances & the back room set up but some of these players will be responsible for taking us back to the days of 5,000 crowds. Conlon has only just won the crowd round & McCall looked after him when he was a target for the fans - this is how repays him. I dread to think what will happen on Sat if he comes on as a sub.I suspect the crowd will make their feelings known. Stand up & be counted City for the 8 remaining league games & show the fans you want it as much as we do.
HOW can you feel sorry for McCall. He is the manager, he brought in the players, he picks the team, he chooses the formation, ITS ALL DOWN TO HIM AND HE HAS FAILED !!. SIMPLES !.Even if we make the play offs I don't want him around. His inexperience is shining through good and proper now. He can't resist tinkering with the team. He talks the team up all the time and individuals. LEE has been sh#te since he returned from suspension and its there for all to see EXCEPT McCALL. He just can't stop tinkering with the team. Why was O'Brien on the bench ? Have we an offer on the table for him. We have now hit rock bottom and McCALL has to take the can.
[quote][p][bold]keeponclucking[/bold] wrote: I know it's sentimental but I feel desperately sorry for Stuart,knowing he feels the hurt as much as the supporters. That's the sort of manager you want to succeed.He wanted the players to show the same passion as he did as a player but seemingly all they can do is spout about how good they are in the press before getting hammered on the pitch or worse still slope off to the pub the night before a vital game(to get hammered) - some commitment! All is not lost but it is down to the players to show some guts.If they are not prepared to do that on Sat then they should ask not to be picked & do us all a favour.As a club we have turned the corner in terms of attendances & the back room set up but some of these players will be responsible for taking us back to the days of 5,000 crowds. Conlon has only just won the crowd round & McCall looked after him when he was a target for the fans - this is how repays him. I dread to think what will happen on Sat if he comes on as a sub.I suspect the crowd will make their feelings known. Stand up & be counted City for the 8 remaining league games & show the fans you want it as much as we do. [/p][/quote]HOW can you feel sorry for McCall. He is the manager, he brought in the players, he picks the team, he chooses the formation, ITS ALL DOWN TO HIM AND HE HAS FAILED !!. SIMPLES !.Even if we make the play offs I don't want him around. His inexperience is shining through good and proper now. He can't resist tinkering with the team. He talks the team up all the time and individuals. LEE has been sh#te since he returned from suspension and its there for all to see EXCEPT McCALL. He just can't stop tinkering with the team. Why was O'Brien on the bench ? Have we an offer on the table for him. We have now hit rock bottom and McCALL has to take the can. The Russian
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8:18am Wed 18 Mar 09

Bantam_and_Proud says...

I personally hope last nights comments were made in the heat of the moment, and that in the cold light of day he re-considers. Just over a week ago, we were on a huge high, and football kicks you in the teeth sometimes, but we will get over it.
Constantly changing manager has done us no good for the past 8 years. Stuart is not a quitter, and if the team is failing, I want him to stick around and put it right, not walk away.
We will not find a Manager that wants success for this club as much as Stuart McCall does.
Stick with it Stuart!
I personally hope last nights comments were made in the heat of the moment, and that in the cold light of day he re-considers. Just over a week ago, we were on a huge high, and football kicks you in the teeth sometimes, but we will get over it. Constantly changing manager has done us no good for the past 8 years. Stuart is not a quitter, and if the team is failing, I want him to stick around and put it right, not walk away. We will not find a Manager that wants success for this club as much as Stuart McCall does. Stick with it Stuart! Bantam_and_Proud
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8:23am Wed 18 Mar 09

tyker says...

Jewell is NOT in USA: He has bought a mansion of a place for $875000 cash: however he is like any other tourist and only able to spend up to 90 days at any one time in residence.

I honestly think he could be persuaded to come back and to start to rebuild a career which has been damaged by the Derby fiasco.



However the cost will be?

Message to SM: "when the going get's tough the tough get going"--this is usually forward fighting the battle not into reverse and running away from the problem like some heroic Italian tank driver or surviving kamikaze pilot!!!.

You signed a 2 year extension recently so what has changed? Did you sign it and assume you would have a team in the play offs or in the automatic promotion places. If so may I suggest you may have taken your eye off the ball and got too far ahead of yourself. Perhaps the players have thought " sod you:you have got another two years guaranteed income what have we got to look forward to"

Some of your decision making is strange to say the least.

at Exeter the defence stood up and we lost by an alleged freaky goal so what do you do. Drop a young left back who has been the star this season and bring back Clarke a disgraced boozy has been and to do this you move an international centre half **** right back to left back and then to compund it you put in Brandon on the left side:a player who has minimum games under under his belt for the last season or more whilst leaving Gillespie who you said you were not going to sign and yet signed on the bench. These really are bizarre decisions.

I am now more and more convinced you do not know nor do WJ AND DW what to do, how to do it and when to do it and, in all probability the players you recruited know full well that you are not up to it.

I feel that you have lost the dressing room and respect of the players. What other explanation can there be for players boozing before an inportant six pointer and posibly other games this season. I say this looking at first half performances at DARLINGTON, LUTON, BARNET, NOTTS COUNTY AND ACCRINGTON.

Indeed the several slow starts in home games now come under scrutiny. Are players boozing it up on a Friday night at home as well?

In the process you have ridiculed a young prospect by dropping him. What chance youth when he is replaced by a boozy crock and a liability!! What damage have you done to the confidence of the lad?

Sorry I have been one of your greatest fans since watching you in a reserve game when you were about 14: it was obvious you were going places as a footballer then but now.................
..................

Tou have a choice:either kick backsides now and we may just get a play off place or resign.

hard words yes:sometimes the truth hurts. Show your fighting spirit get the players sorted, get them playing and we may just have a chance. Talk of resigning does nothing for the stability of the club nor for season ticket sales!!!
Jewell is NOT in USA: He has bought a mansion of a place for $875000 cash: however he is like any other tourist and only able to spend up to 90 days at any one time in residence. I honestly think he could be persuaded to come back and to start to rebuild a career which has been damaged by the Derby fiasco. However the cost will be? Message to SM: "when the going get's tough the tough get going"--this is usually forward fighting the battle not into reverse and running away from the problem like some heroic Italian tank driver or surviving kamikaze pilot!!!. You signed a 2 year extension recently so what has changed? Did you sign it and assume you would have a team in the play offs or in the automatic promotion places. If so may I suggest you may have taken your eye off the ball and got too far ahead of yourself. Perhaps the players have thought " sod you:you have got another two years guaranteed income what have we got to look forward to" Some of your decision making is strange to say the least. at Exeter the defence stood up and we lost by an alleged freaky goal so what do you do. Drop a young left back who has been the star this season and bring back Clarke a disgraced boozy has been and to do this you move an international centre half **** right back to left back and then to compund it you put in Brandon on the left side:a player who has minimum games under under his belt for the last season or more whilst leaving Gillespie who you said you were not going to sign and yet signed on the bench. These really are bizarre decisions. I am now more and more convinced you do not know nor do WJ AND DW what to do, how to do it and when to do it and, in all probability the players you recruited know full well that you are not up to it. I feel that you have lost the dressing room and respect of the players. What other explanation can there be for players boozing before an inportant six pointer and posibly other games this season. I say this looking at first half performances at DARLINGTON, LUTON, BARNET, NOTTS COUNTY AND ACCRINGTON. Indeed the several slow starts in home games now come under scrutiny. Are players boozing it up on a Friday night at home as well? In the process you have ridiculed a young prospect by dropping him. What chance youth when he is replaced by a boozy crock and a liability!! What damage have you done to the confidence of the lad? Sorry I have been one of your greatest fans since watching you in a reserve game when you were about 14: it was obvious you were going places as a footballer then but now................. .................. Tou have a choice:either kick backsides now and we may just get a play off place or resign. hard words yes:sometimes the truth hurts. Show your fighting spirit get the players sorted, get them playing and we may just have a chance. Talk of resigning does nothing for the stability of the club nor for season ticket sales!!! tyker
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8:30am Wed 18 Mar 09

shaun from richmond says...

Sorry to kick a man when hes down!! But isnt McCall hedging his bets? Hes only "quitting if we dont make the play-offs"........Er
m sorry, but its promotion or bust in my opinion!!
So McCall now has downsized to finishing 7th in the league, losing in the play-offs AND THEN STAYING!!
Even the Bradford public arnt that stupid!! then again!
Sorry to kick a man when hes down!! But isnt McCall hedging his bets? Hes only "quitting if we dont make the play-offs"........Er m sorry, but its promotion or bust in my opinion!! So McCall now has downsized to finishing 7th in the league, losing in the play-offs AND THEN STAYING!! Even the Bradford public arnt that stupid!! then again! shaun from richmond
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8:31am Wed 18 Mar 09

Betrescue Bob says...

Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club".

He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay.

He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted".

Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one.

There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever.

I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.
Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time. Betrescue Bob
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8:47am Wed 18 Mar 09

s.b.c says...

Horrible results. Last night against a team who are only being paid 40% of their salary and a rookie manager who is achieving great results.

S.M.so far, has not been the success we hoped he would be. May be he will still get us there, I don,t know. Perhaps his choice of backroom staff could have been better. I don,t know.

Losing by three goals and still having three un-used subs on the bench begs questions to be asked.

However after hearing him on the radio after the match, i can only have the utmost admiration and respect for the way he spoke from the heart, and showed the anguish he is suffering.

It proved, he truly is one of us!

Horrible results. Last night against a team who are only being paid 40% of their salary and a rookie manager who is achieving great results. S.M.so far, has not been the success we hoped he would be. May be he will still get us there, I don,t know. Perhaps his choice of backroom staff could have been better. I don,t know. Losing by three goals and still having three un-used subs on the bench begs questions to be asked. However after hearing him on the radio after the match, i can only have the utmost admiration and respect for the way he spoke from the heart, and showed the anguish he is suffering. It proved, he truly is one of us! s.b.c
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8:49am Wed 18 Mar 09

The Russian says...

Betrescue Bob wrote:
Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.
Open your eyes mate. There are loads of managers capable of taking Bradford City out of the division. So as far as you're concerned stick with him until he gets us out of the division. Well I can't believe you are happy watching a team fall apart around you and not only just get beat but get a real good stuffing on their travels. The boys get the support but when you witness the lack of invention week in week out then what else can you think. Their isn't one game where we have dominated or bossed (apart from Exeter)throughout the whole season. It been a rollercoaster ride and I'm afraid the ride has broken down at the bottom of a slope. It's obvious to me and most other supporters that McCall and his backroom have lost it. Once again he played players out of position and left out one of the only bright things to come out of this season. A FAN he may be but a manager NOT ON THIS EARTH. So Bob you stick with McCall because at this moment in time you're the only one who can see the light at the end of the tunnel.
[quote][p][bold]Betrescue Bob[/bold] wrote: Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.[/p][/quote]Open your eyes mate. There are loads of managers capable of taking Bradford City out of the division. So as far as you're concerned stick with him until he gets us out of the division. Well I can't believe you are happy watching a team fall apart around you and not only just get beat but get a real good stuffing on their travels. The boys get the support but when you witness the lack of invention week in week out then what else can you think. Their isn't one game where we have dominated or bossed (apart from Exeter)throughout the whole season. It been a rollercoaster ride and I'm afraid the ride has broken down at the bottom of a slope. It's obvious to me and most other supporters that McCall and his backroom have lost it. Once again he played players out of position and left out one of the only bright things to come out of this season. A FAN he may be but a manager NOT ON THIS EARTH. So Bob you stick with McCall because at this moment in time you're the only one who can see the light at the end of the tunnel. The Russian
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9:04am Wed 18 Mar 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

This is what I think will happen now. Our home form will probably sqeeze us into the playoffs finishing maybe 7th! In the playoffs unfortunatly we have tp play away. Might even include a trip to wembley which would be good for the coffers however can you imagine McCalls fragile little bunch of lambs playing infront of 30000 city fans when the pressure is on? They shudder infront of 3000 at Rochdale so 30000 would be a definate hinderence! Then during the summer due to a decrease in season ticket sales they would not be able to compete in the transfer market meaning we would probably still have the same standard of players next year except older and without Law and Furman who would be playing at a higher level! Come around christmas after McCall has been putting square pegs into round holes the board will probably act replacing the sentimental anchor with a more expearenced manager. With the Gibb rent we have to pay it looks like we're going to be in this division a long time! We've got our chance this season and we're doing a good job of throwing it away! McCall needs a striker to come in and save the club and himself before we once again become the established 4th division club we were when the city had 2 football league clubs! Playing infront of 4th division crowds! CTID!
This is what I think will happen now. Our home form will probably sqeeze us into the playoffs finishing maybe 7th! In the playoffs unfortunatly we have tp play away. Might even include a trip to wembley which would be good for the coffers however can you imagine McCalls fragile little bunch of lambs playing infront of 30000 city fans when the pressure is on? They shudder infront of 3000 at Rochdale so 30000 would be a definate hinderence! Then during the summer due to a decrease in season ticket sales they would not be able to compete in the transfer market meaning we would probably still have the same standard of players next year except older and without Law and Furman who would be playing at a higher level! Come around christmas after McCall has been putting square pegs into round holes the board will probably act replacing the sentimental anchor with a more expearenced manager. With the Gibb rent we have to pay it looks like we're going to be in this division a long time! We've got our chance this season and we're doing a good job of throwing it away! McCall needs a striker to come in and save the club and himself before we once again become the established 4th division club we were when the city had 2 football league clubs! Playing infront of 4th division crowds! CTID! Spenvalleyspartan
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9:09am Wed 18 Mar 09

Scargutt says...

Oh, jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way...

It's gonna be christmas before city win away!
Oh, jingle Bells, Jingle Bells, Jingle all the way... It's gonna be christmas before city win away! Scargutt
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9:18am Wed 18 Mar 09

tyker says...

As an aside:we have conceded 14 gols to Barnet and Bournemouth:that sum represents around15% of their total goals scored in this league.

as for managers working on next to nothing or as people who achieved not very much as players:
Knill, Scott, Robins, Hill, Howe to name but five in this division
As an aside:we have conceded 14 gols to Barnet and Bournemouth:that sum represents around15% of their total goals scored in this league. as for managers working on next to nothing or as people who achieved not very much as players: Knill, Scott, Robins, Hill, Howe to name but five in this division tyker
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9:18am Wed 18 Mar 09

the general 81-86 says...

Betrescue Bob wrote:
Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.
Great comments im with you mate ,not many will be today or for the rest of the season most are only happy on here if there is doom and gloom to write about .

I for one can only get to half the games but have had a season ticket for too many years to mention but if stu walks so will a lot of fans who only got season tickets because stu came back ,
Most on here want stu out ,but when stuart walks out to his dug out on saturday his name will be chanted and he will clapped to his seat so you will see most are stii behind stu apart from a few on here
[quote][p][bold]Betrescue Bob[/bold] wrote: Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.[/p][/quote]Great comments im with you mate ,not many will be today or for the rest of the season most are only happy on here if there is doom and gloom to write about . I for one can only get to half the games but have had a season ticket for too many years to mention but if stu walks so will a lot of fans who only got season tickets because stu came back , Most on here want stu out ,but when stuart walks out to his dug out on saturday his name will be chanted and he will clapped to his seat so you will see most are stii behind stu apart from a few on here the general 81-86
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9:43am Wed 18 Mar 09

Bantam1986 says...

Im sorry but SM shouldnt have to go, it should be the players that have been consistantly Underperforming all season or for the majority of it anyways. When Zesh Rehman plays no matter where we seem to concede alot of goals, but lately Greame Lee hasnt been performing. so why not drop the Captain and the players who are not performing to show they dont have a guarenteed place in the squad. As for the Striking problem why not give Rory Boulding a Chance up front with his Brother next to him while Thorne is out, and while Conlon isnt on Scoring Form. But Didnt Keith Gillespie used to play as a striker at blackburn? even if it was for a couple of games? i could be wrong but it seems like an option
Im sorry but SM shouldnt have to go, it should be the players that have been consistantly Underperforming all season or for the majority of it anyways. When Zesh Rehman plays no matter where we seem to concede alot of goals, but lately Greame Lee hasnt been performing. so why not drop the Captain and the players who are not performing to show they dont have a guarenteed place in the squad. As for the Striking problem why not give Rory Boulding a Chance up front with his Brother next to him while Thorne is out, and while Conlon isnt on Scoring Form. But Didnt Keith Gillespie used to play as a striker at blackburn? even if it was for a couple of games? i could be wrong but it seems like an option Bantam1986
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9:51am Wed 18 Mar 09

Spenvalleyspartan says...

the general 81-86 wrote:
Betrescue Bob wrote: Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.
Great comments im with you mate ,not many will be today or for the rest of the season most are only happy on here if there is doom and gloom to write about . I for one can only get to half the games but have had a season ticket for too many years to mention but if stu walks so will a lot of fans who only got season tickets because stu came back , Most on here want stu out ,but when stuart walks out to his dug out on saturday his name will be chanted and he will clapped to his seat so you will see most are stii behind stu apart from a few on here
Aye up! You can count on the General to prop up the rose tinted specs brigade! I suppose you wouldn't mind if we were in the blue square division as long as McCall is in charge! Wake up and smell the coffee! MCCall is NOT a good manager! Pull your head out of the sand! Your judgement is clouded by sentiment and its sentiment that is keeping us in this crap division!
[quote][p][bold]the general 81-86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Betrescue Bob[/bold] wrote: Hearing Stuart on the radio last night you could feel his hurt "this is my club". He want's success as much as the rest of us and the whole ethos of the club is built around him - the buzz, the 10k season tickets and so on. Non of us want another season in Div 4 but I'd say whatever happens SM should stay. He's a fan just like the rest of us and wears his heart on his sleeve. I reckon whatever happens the Chairmen should say "you're going nowhere pal - you can stick it out with the rest of us until you get it right and get us promoted". Who else are we going to get with so much passion and desire for this club? No one. There's too much doom and gloom on here - the boys need our support more than ever. I've made my committment to City whatever division we're in - come on SM, chin up, best foot foreward and all that - there's always next season if we don't do it this time.[/p][/quote]Great comments im with you mate ,not many will be today or for the rest of the season most are only happy on here if there is doom and gloom to write about . I for one can only get to half the games but have had a season ticket for too many years to mention but if stu walks so will a lot of fans who only got season tickets because stu came back , Most on here want stu out ,but when stuart walks out to his dug out on saturday his name will be chanted and he will clapped to his seat so you will see most are stii behind stu apart from a few on here[/p][/quote]Aye up! You can count on the General to prop up the rose tinted specs brigade! I suppose you wouldn't mind if we were in the blue square division as long as McCall is in charge! Wake up and smell the coffee! MCCall is NOT a good manager! Pull your head out of the sand! Your judgement is clouded by sentiment and its sentiment that is keeping us in this crap division! Spenvalleyspartan
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10:05am Wed 18 Mar 09

neil illingworth says...

After slagging stuatt off a little I now feel a little sorry for him. I mean come on we had a rock solid defence a month a so ago keeping clean sheets of about nine games in recent months then this. Got to be down to lack of concentraction. Half of the squad only good enough for this division so maybe they dont give a dam about going up.
What can stuart do? Cannot drop the whole defense. They will probably look totally different on saturday.Really think It will be tough for u now as we are not showing the form of a successfull team heading for promotion.Got to be good home and away and it wont be long now till we are losing at home.The league this year was there for the taking and will be a shame if we balls up and dont get automatic spot. A team like ours should be sat at the top of the table now!Feel so sorry for the fans that went to both of the away games as such a long trek. The more i here about conlon the more annoyed i get. Clarke too. Come on they are not the most gifted players (crap actually) so lucky to be at a club like city. I wont be clapping any of them on or off the pitch. They just dont care about this club as they know its their last season. Get them off wage bill now. The only argument i do have about McCall is we need a striker now! Forget the play offs or auto promotion if you dont as we are so poor up front.
After slagging stuatt off a little I now feel a little sorry for him. I mean come on we had a rock solid defence a month a so ago keeping clean sheets of about nine games in recent months then this. Got to be down to lack of concentraction. Half of the squad only good enough for this division so maybe they dont give a dam about going up. What can stuart do? Cannot drop the whole defense. They will probably look totally different on saturday.Really think It will be tough for u now as we are not showing the form of a successfull team heading for promotion.Got to be good home and away and it wont be long now till we are losing at home.The league this year was there for the taking and will be a shame if we balls up and dont get automatic spot. A team like ours should be sat at the top of the table now!Feel so sorry for the fans that went to both of the away games as such a long trek. The more i here about conlon the more annoyed i get. Clarke too. Come on they are not the most gifted players (crap actually) so lucky to be at a club like city. I wont be clapping any of them on or off the pitch. They just dont care about this club as they know its their last season. Get them off wage bill now. The only argument i do have about McCall is we need a striker now! Forget the play offs or auto promotion if you dont as we are so poor up front. neil illingworth
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10:11am Wed 18 Mar 09

oddshapedballs says...

Now will all you lot listen to me. I have been saying he wouldn't be here next season for months. He is a second rate assistant manager and that is it. When it is finalised that you are going nowhere he will fall on his own sword and walk.
Now will all you lot listen to me. I have been saying he wouldn't be here next season for months. He is a second rate assistant manager and that is it. When it is finalised that you are going nowhere he will fall on his own sword and walk. oddshapedballs
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10:19am Wed 18 Mar 09

fatbloke says...

I thing the players should be disgraced with themselves. We were all happy with the players he brought in and they dont deserve to pick up their wages!! I so felt sorry for McCall last night in his interview.

It's difficult for any of us to pin point the reason for failure. In my opinion though McCall should have had an experienced No.2, someone to help him when we were not performing.

The norm is for an assistant to learn from his manager but as a rookie manager, I think the other way around.
I thing the players should be disgraced with themselves. We were all happy with the players he brought in and they dont deserve to pick up their wages!! I so felt sorry for McCall last night in his interview. It's difficult for any of us to pin point the reason for failure. In my opinion though McCall should have had an experienced No.2, someone to help him when we were not performing. The norm is for an assistant to learn from his manager but as a rookie manager, I think the other way around. fatbloke
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10:27am Wed 18 Mar 09

KnightMcCall says...

God it hurts this morning.

I still don't think that McCall should go. He has spent two seasons making mistakes. We as football fans expect success in every minute of every match; we expect too much.

I would maintain that Stuart McCall will learn to be a good manager like her learned to be a good player. He cares, he works tirelessly and he has never failed at anything.

If we replace McCall, you will all be asking for the new manager to be sacked if we don't beat every team and win the division next season. If we do get promotion, you will be expecting that we waltz through league one and back into the Championship.

The way I see it, I will be watching Bradford City until I die. As I don't expect to die for around 40 years, I am prepared to wait another season or two for promotion.

For those that keep saying his inexperience is counting against him, it doesn't seem to be harming the 32 year old Eddie Howe. The experienced Lennie Lawrence, Jim Jeffries and John Docherty all made us thoroughly miserable and brought no success. The inexperienced Kamara and Jewell brought us promotion.

Dario Gradi has brought unprecedented success to Crewe (in relative terms) but he didn't achieve success quickly.

Managers are under too much pressure for instant success. The Board have told Stuart that he has two more seasons so that he doesn't have to feel that pressure. This will allow him and his coaching team to build for the long-term and not just for this season.

Stuart should stay. Most of those asking for him to go wanted him to come in the first place. There were good reasons for that and if anybody in the history of Bradford City ever deserved time and loyalty from the "fans" then it is Stuart McCall.

Don't let todays pain cloud us into thinking that a short-term decision would change anything.
God it hurts this morning. I still don't think that McCall should go. He has spent two seasons making mistakes. We as football fans expect success in every minute of every match; we expect too much. I would maintain that Stuart McCall will learn to be a good manager like her learned to be a good player. He cares, he works tirelessly and he has never failed at anything. If we replace McCall, you will all be asking for the new manager to be sacked if we don't beat every team and win the division next season. If we do get promotion, you will be expecting that we waltz through league one and back into the Championship. The way I see it, I will be watching Bradford City until I die. As I don't expect to die for around 40 years, I am prepared to wait another season or two for promotion. For those that keep saying his inexperience is counting against him, it doesn't seem to be harming the 32 year old Eddie Howe. The experienced Lennie Lawrence, Jim Jeffries and John Docherty all made us thoroughly miserable and brought no success. The inexperienced Kamara and Jewell brought us promotion. Dario Gradi has brought unprecedented success to Crewe (in relative terms) but he didn't achieve success quickly. Managers are under too much pressure for instant success. The Board have told Stuart that he has two more seasons so that he doesn't have to feel that pressure. This will allow him and his coaching team to build for the long-term and not just for this season. Stuart should stay. Most of those asking for him to go wanted him to come in the first place. There were good reasons for that and if anybody in the history of Bradford City ever deserved time and loyalty from the "fans" then it is Stuart McCall. Don't let todays pain cloud us into thinking that a short-term decision would change anything. KnightMcCall
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10:33am Wed 18 Mar 09

Dear John says...

tyker wrote:
Jewell is NOT in USA: He has bought a mansion of a place for $875000 cash: however he is like any other tourist and only able to spend up to 90 days at any one time in residence.

I honestly think he could be persuaded to come back and to start to rebuild a career which has been damaged by the Derby fiasco.



However the cost will be?

Message to SM: "when the going get's tough the tough get going"--this is usually forward fighting the battle not into reverse and running away from the problem like some heroic Italian tank driver or surviving kamikaze pilot!!!.

You signed a 2 year extension recently so what has changed? Did you sign it and assume you would have a team in the play offs or in the automatic promotion places. If so may I suggest you may have taken your eye off the ball and got too far ahead of yourself. Perhaps the players have thought " sod you:you have got another two years guaranteed income what have we got to look forward to"

Some of your decision making is strange to say the least.

at Exeter the defence stood up and we lost by an alleged freaky goal so what do you do. Drop a young left back who has been the star this season and bring back Clarke a disgraced boozy has been and to do this you move an international centre half **** right back to left back and then to compund it you put in Brandon on the left side:a player who has minimum games under under his belt for the last season or more whilst leaving Gillespie who you said you were not going to sign and yet signed on the bench. These really are bizarre decisions.

I am now more and more convinced you do not know nor do WJ AND DW what to do, how to do it and when to do it and, in all probability the players you recruited know full well that you are not up to it.

I feel that you have lost the dressing room and respect of the players. What other explanation can there be for players boozing before an inportant six pointer and posibly other games this season. I say this looking at first half performances at DARLINGTON, LUTON, BARNET, NOTTS COUNTY AND ACCRINGTON.

Indeed the several slow starts in home games now come under scrutiny. Are players boozing it up on a Friday night at home as well?

In the process you have ridiculed a young prospect by dropping him. What chance youth when he is replaced by a boozy crock and a liability!! What damage have you done to the confidence of the lad?

Sorry I have been one of your greatest fans since watching you in a reserve game when you were about 14: it was obvious you were going places as a footballer then but now.................

..................

Tou have a choice:either kick backsides now and we may just get a play off place or resign.

hard words yes:sometimes the truth hurts. Show your fighting spirit get the players sorted, get them playing and we may just have a chance. Talk of resigning does nothing for the stability of the club nor for season ticket sales!!!
I understood him to be working as a caddy for his son who is attempting to make a career in golf.
[quote][p][bold]tyker[/bold] wrote: Jewell is NOT in USA: He has bought a mansion of a place for $875000 cash: however he is like any other tourist and only able to spend up to 90 days at any one time in residence. I honestly think he could be persuaded to come back and to start to rebuild a career which has been damaged by the Derby fiasco. However the cost will be? Message to SM: "when the going get's tough the tough get going"--this is usually forward fighting the battle not into reverse and running away from the problem like some heroic Italian tank driver or surviving kamikaze pilot!!!. You signed a 2 year extension recently so what has changed? Did you sign it and assume you would have a team in the play offs or in the automatic promotion places. If so may I suggest you may have taken your eye off the ball and got too far ahead of yourself. Perhaps the players have thought " sod you:you have got another two years guaranteed income what have we got to look forward to" Some of your decision making is strange to say the least. at Exeter the defence stood up and we lost by an alleged freaky goal so what do you do. Drop a young left back who has been the star this season and bring back Clarke a disgraced boozy has been and to do this you move an international centre half **** right back to left back and then to compund it you put in Brandon on the left side:a player who has minimum games under under his belt for the last season or more whilst leaving Gillespie who you said you were not going to sign and yet signed on the bench. These really are bizarre decisions. I am now more and more convinced you do not know nor do WJ AND DW what to do, how to do it and when to do it and, in all probability the players you recruited know full well that you are not up to it. I feel that you have lost the dressing room and respect of the players. What other explanation can there be for players boozing before an inportant six pointer and posibly other games this season. I say this looking at first half performances at DARLINGTON, LUTON, BARNET, NOTTS COUNTY AND ACCRINGTON. Indeed the several slow starts in home games now come under scrutiny. Are players boozing it up on a Friday night at home as well? In the process you have ridiculed a young prospect by dropping him. What chance youth when he is replaced by a boozy crock and a liability!! What damage have you done to the confidence of the lad? Sorry I have been one of your greatest fans since watching you in a reserve game when you were about 14: it was obvious you were going places as a footballer then but now................. .................. Tou have a choice:either kick backsides now and we may just get a play off place or resign. hard words yes:sometimes the truth hurts. Show your fighting spirit get the players sorted, get them playing and we may just have a chance. Talk of resigning does nothing for the stability of the club nor for season ticket sales!!![/p][/quote]I understood him to be working as a caddy for his son who is attempting to make a career in golf. Dear John
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10:38am Wed 18 Mar 09

fatbloke says...

KnightMcCall, I agree with you. It has been more of a success than previous years and even if we dont gain promotion it still has. It will have still been a step in the right direction and if we improve that little bit more next year then we will get there then.

I think if McCall goes it would be a step backwwards and I think I would be asking for a refund on the season ticket and start playing myself on saturdays again because I probably only have a few years left palying myself. Who knows by the time I retire we may have sorted out the shambles at the club and I may resume watching.

I am sick to death and I have said it all season of watching to many mediocre players gracing the turf at VP and then watching indiviuals for the opposition standing out and wishing they were wearing our shirt.

The players should be disgraced with themselves.

McCall has now said he will go if we don't gain promotion. For me then he has 8 games to be more ruthless, stop been afraid of hurting peoples feelings and if they start a game like a tit, take them off immediately, STOP BEEN TO NICE STUART AS YOU HAVE NOW PUT YOUR OWN FUTURE ON THE LINE.

Maybe Bower would wear the shirt with more pride then crap like, Clarke, Lee, Bullock to name a few. I know in his interview last night he said he may look at bringing him back?
KnightMcCall, I agree with you. It has been more of a success than previous years and even if we dont gain promotion it still has. It will have still been a step in the right direction and if we improve that little bit more next year then we will get there then. I think if McCall goes it would be a step backwwards and I think I would be asking for a refund on the season ticket and start playing myself on saturdays again because I probably only have a few years left palying myself. Who knows by the time I retire we may have sorted out the shambles at the club and I may resume watching. I am sick to death and I have said it all season of watching to many mediocre players gracing the turf at VP and then watching indiviuals for the opposition standing out and wishing they were wearing our shirt. The players should be disgraced with themselves. McCall has now said he will go if we don't gain promotion. For me then he has 8 games to be more ruthless, stop been afraid of hurting peoples feelings and if they start a game like a tit, take them off immediately, STOP BEEN TO NICE STUART AS YOU HAVE NOW PUT YOUR OWN FUTURE ON THE LINE. Maybe Bower would wear the shirt with more pride then crap like, Clarke, Lee, Bullock to name a few. I know in his interview last night he said he may look at bringing him back? fatbloke
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11:04am Wed 18 Mar 09

Betrescue Bob says...

If SM goes the heart will be ripped out of the club.

This "forum" is always full of negativity and probably always will be.

It's by no means representative of the vast mjority of the fans and whilst 80% on here might want Stuart to go, I'd be amazed if when the true voice of the fan is heard on Saturday that 80% of the crowd want him to stay.

In my opinion, there are far too many people on here who suffer from the Leeds United disease, thinking they deserve to be in the Premier League because they have the most fans.

If SM goes, we may well go up next season with 5000 fans at VP before stagnating in divison 3 gates of 5000 for ever more.

Give SM, WJ and DW at least another season before constantly looking for scapegoats.

It's not the end of the world if we don't go up this time. It's not ideal but I amongst thousands more, would like SM here for the long haul - he'll get it right eventually - even this season perhaps.........
If SM goes the heart will be ripped out of the club. This "forum" is always full of negativity and probably always will be. It's by no means representative of the vast mjority of the fans and whilst 80% on here might want Stuart to go, I'd be amazed if when the true voice of the fan is heard on Saturday that 80% of the crowd want him to stay. In my opinion, there are far too many people on here who suffer from the Leeds United disease, thinking they deserve to be in the Premier League because they have the most fans. If SM goes, we may well go up next season with 5000 fans at VP before stagnating in divison 3 gates of 5000 for ever more. Give SM, WJ and DW at least another season before constantly looking for scapegoats. It's not the end of the world if we don't go up this time. It's not ideal but I amongst thousands more, would like SM here for the long haul - he'll get it right eventually - even this season perhaps......... Betrescue Bob
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11:04am Wed 18 Mar 09

tyker says...

"I understood him to be working as a caddy for his son who is attempting to make a career in golf."

he does not have a work permit so can only be there 90 days at a time and then leave the country: he is and was helping his son make the grade as a pro over there but he cannot "work" at it and he can only be there so many days.

He would jump at the chance to come back to UK football but could he come here or want to come here. Maybe he would to resurrect his football career
"I understood him to be working as a caddy for his son who is attempting to make a career in golf." he does not have a work permit so can only be there 90 days at a time and then leave the country: he is and was helping his son make the grade as a pro over there but he cannot "work" at it and he can only be there so many days. He would jump at the chance to come back to UK football but could he come here or want to come here. Maybe he would to resurrect his football career tyker
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11:09am Wed 18 Mar 09

Bantam58 says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
Now will all you lot listen to me. I have been saying he wouldn't be here next season for months. He is a second rate assistant manager and that is it. When it is finalised that you are going nowhere he will fall on his own sword and walk.
Stick to the Bulls mate but then again they are not much better.
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: Now will all you lot listen to me. I have been saying he wouldn't be here next season for months. He is a second rate assistant manager and that is it. When it is finalised that you are going nowhere he will fall on his own sword and walk.[/p][/quote]Stick to the Bulls mate but then again they are not much better. Bantam58
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11:25am Wed 18 Mar 09

Meat Pie says...

tyker wrote:
Jewell is NOT in USA: He has bought a mansion of a place for $875000 cash: however he is like any other tourist and only able to spend up to 90 days at any one time in residence. I honestly think he could be persuaded to come back and to start to rebuild a career which has been damaged by the Derby fiasco. However the cost will be? Message to SM: "when the going get's tough the tough get going"--this is usually forward fighting the battle not into reverse and running away from the problem like some heroic Italian tank driver or surviving kamikaze pilot!!!. You signed a 2 year extension recently so what has changed? Did you sign it and assume you would have a team in the play offs or in the automatic promotion places. If so may I suggest you may have taken your eye off the ball and got too far ahead of yourself. Perhaps the players have thought " sod you:you have got another two years guaranteed income what have we got to look forward to" Some of your decision making is strange to say the least. at Exeter the defence stood up and we lost by an alleged freaky goal so what do you do. Drop a young left back who has been the star this season and bring back Clarke a disgraced boozy has been and to do this you move an international centre half **** right back to left back and then to compund it you put in Brandon on the left side:a player who has minimum games under under his belt for the last season or more whilst leaving Gillespie who you said you were not going to sign and yet signed on the bench. These really are bizarre decisions. I am now more and more convinced you do not know nor do WJ AND DW what to do, how to do it and when to do it and, in all probability the players you recruited know full well that you are not up to it. I feel that you have lost the dressing room and respect of the players. What other explanation can there be for players boozing before an inportant six pointer and posibly other games this season. I say this looking at first half performances at DARLINGTON, LUTON, BARNET, NOTTS COUNTY AND ACCRINGTON. Indeed the several slow starts in home games now come under scrutiny. Are players boozing it up on a Friday night at home as well? In the process you have ridiculed a young prospect by dropping him. What chance youth when he is replaced by a boozy crock and a liability!! What damage have you done to the confidence of the lad? Sorry I have been one of your greatest fans since watching you in a reserve game when you were about 14: it was obvious you were going places as a footballer then but now................. .................. Tou have a choice:either kick backsides now and we may just get a play off place or resign. hard words yes:sometimes the truth hurts. Show your fighting spirit get the players sorted, get them playing and we may just have a chance. Talk of resigning does nothing for the stability of the club nor for season ticket sales!!!
I think you may have a point here re first half performances - we have often been very sluggish at the start. Perhaps this could be drink related? I don't know and am just summising but perhaps there is a drinking culture at Bradford City?
[quote][p][bold]tyker[/bold] wrote: Jewell is NOT in USA: He has bought a mansion of a place for $875000 cash: however he is like any other tourist and only able to spend up to 90 days at any one time in residence. I honestly think he could be persuaded to come back and to start to rebuild a career which has been damaged by the Derby fiasco. However the cost will be? Message to SM: "when the going get's tough the tough get going"--this is usually forward fighting the battle not into reverse and running away from the problem like some heroic Italian tank driver or surviving kamikaze pilot!!!. You signed a 2 year extension recently so what has changed? Did you sign it and assume you would have a team in the play offs or in the automatic promotion places. If so may I suggest you may have taken your eye off the ball and got too far ahead of yourself. Perhaps the players have thought " sod you:you have got another two years guaranteed income what have we got to look forward to" Some of your decision making is strange to say the least. at Exeter the defence stood up and we lost by an alleged freaky goal so what do you do. Drop a young left back who has been the star this season and bring back Clarke a disgraced boozy has been and to do this you move an international centre half **** right back to left back and then to compund it you put in Brandon on the left side:a player who has minimum games under under his belt for the last season or more whilst leaving Gillespie who you said you were not going to sign and yet signed on the bench. These really are bizarre decisions. I am now more and more convinced you do not know nor do WJ AND DW what to do, how to do it and when to do it and, in all probability the players you recruited know full well that you are not up to it. I feel that you have lost the dressing room and respect of the players. What other explanation can there be for players boozing before an inportant six pointer and posibly other games this season. I say this looking at first half performances at DARLINGTON, LUTON, BARNET, NOTTS COUNTY AND ACCRINGTON. Indeed the several slow starts in home games now come under scrutiny. Are players boozing it up on a Friday night at home as well? In the process you have ridiculed a young prospect by dropping him. What chance youth when he is replaced by a boozy crock and a liability!! What damage have you done to the confidence of the lad? Sorry I have been one of your greatest fans since watching you in a reserve game when you were about 14: it was obvious you were going places as a footballer then but now................. .................. Tou have a choice:either kick backsides now and we may just get a play off place or resign. hard words yes:sometimes the truth hurts. Show your fighting spirit get the players sorted, get them playing and we may just have a chance. Talk of resigning does nothing for the stability of the club nor for season ticket sales!!![/p][/quote]I think you may have a point here re first half performances - we have often been very sluggish at the start. Perhaps this could be drink related? I don't know and am just summising but perhaps there is a drinking culture at Bradford City? Meat Pie
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11:25am Wed 18 Mar 09

jb bantam says...

Shocking , shocking shocking.

Formation was all wrong again last night , players heads were down and there not playing for each other.

We need someone to come in and give the players a right **cking talking to , they dont even look interested , McCall has lost the respect , evident with Clarke & Conlon's antics and the antics were rumoured to be happening long before the bigger cracks started to appear.

McCall had the funds to do well this season but the whole team are slowly falling to pieces at the wrong time , with so much wrong on and off the field the question is where do you start , even if McCall was sacked I very much doubt anyone could turn this side around in time for a big finish.

It hurts when City lose , but what hurts even more is the players dont care anymore , heads are down and the effort is minimal , if Stuart can raise moral he needs to go now not the end of the season , to me his admission in the papers its now evident he is sinking fast and with no where to turn he has taken the easy option
Shocking , shocking shocking. Formation was all wrong again last night , players heads were down and there not playing for each other. We need someone to come in and give the players a right **cking talking to , they dont even look interested , McCall has lost the respect , evident with Clarke & Conlon's antics and the antics were rumoured to be happening long before the bigger cracks started to appear. McCall had the funds to do well this season but the whole team are slowly falling to pieces at the wrong time , with so much wrong on and off the field the question is where do you start , even if McCall was sacked I very much doubt anyone could turn this side around in time for a big finish. It hurts when City lose , but what hurts even more is the players dont care anymore , heads are down and the effort is minimal , if Stuart can raise moral he needs to go now not the end of the season , to me his admission in the papers its now evident he is sinking fast and with no where to turn he has taken the easy option jb bantam
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11:31am Wed 18 Mar 09

bcfc idle supporters says...

i think mccall should step down as manager for the time being but not leave the club, the board should get peter jackson in as manager and stuart along side him. fire jacobs and the rest of the back room staff, and most of the players expecially clarke, who i would make personal reservations for a trip to the moon,
but football is a very tought game and a win on saturday and them next week and we will be in the playoffs again so alot can change in a week, and i hope it does, GOOD LUCK,
i think mccall should step down as manager for the time being but not leave the club, the board should get peter jackson in as manager and stuart along side him. fire jacobs and the rest of the back room staff, and most of the players expecially clarke, who i would make personal reservations for a trip to the moon, but football is a very tought game and a win on saturday and them next week and we will be in the playoffs again so alot can change in a week, and i hope it does, GOOD LUCK, bcfc idle supporters
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11:34am Wed 18 Mar 09

fatbloke says...

What will be the reaction to Clarke and Conlon on Saturday?

I have never boo'd anyone for performances while there on the park.

However to do whatever they have done during this crucial part of the season is disgusting and I for one will make my feelings known on Saturday if they play any part.

With regards to so in different performances away from home, the fact that Nix had put on 'facebook' 'he couldn't be bothered' or was 'not looking forward to go down south for a week' sums the players up for me.
What will be the reaction to Clarke and Conlon on Saturday? I have never boo'd anyone for performances while there on the park. However to do whatever they have done during this crucial part of the season is disgusting and I for one will make my feelings known on Saturday if they play any part. With regards to so in different performances away from home, the fact that Nix had put on 'facebook' 'he couldn't be bothered' or was 'not looking forward to go down south for a week' sums the players up for me. fatbloke
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11:52am Wed 18 Mar 09

City101 says...

Way i see it, the players started to believe the hpye and have now been dumped on there arse's in the real world. 9 games left? Time for a change in attitude and a hell of a run in.
The defence needs sorting so why not bring Bower back from Luton, this season is obviously a right off for Clark and from recent actions, he doesn't deserve to be in the side. Bring back Bower and let him prove what we know he can do.
Way i see it, the players started to believe the hpye and have now been dumped on there arse's in the real world. 9 games left? Time for a change in attitude and a hell of a run in. The defence needs sorting so why not bring Bower back from Luton, this season is obviously a right off for Clark and from recent actions, he doesn't deserve to be in the side. Bring back Bower and let him prove what we know he can do. City101
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11:55am Wed 18 Mar 09

More Sensible than Sensible says...

bcfc idle supporters wrote:
i think mccall should step down as manager for the time being but not leave the club, the board should get peter jackson in as manager and stuart along side him. fire jacobs and the rest of the back room staff, and most of the players expecially clarke, who i would make personal reservations for a trip to the moon, but football is a very tought game and a win on saturday and them next week and we will be in the playoffs again so alot can change in a week, and i hope it does, GOOD LUCK,
You must be joking, have that man who blatently expressed hatred of us during his time at the dog botherers, forget it.

He has hardly ripped up trees at Lincol has he, and remeber he promised to get them promoted this year!! So a failure he is.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc idle supporters[/bold] wrote: i think mccall should step down as manager for the time being but not leave the club, the board should get peter jackson in as manager and stuart along side him. fire jacobs and the rest of the back room staff, and most of the players expecially clarke, who i would make personal reservations for a trip to the moon, but football is a very tought game and a win on saturday and them next week and we will be in the playoffs again so alot can change in a week, and i hope it does, GOOD LUCK,[/p][/quote]You must be joking, have that man who blatently expressed hatred of us during his time at the dog botherers, forget it. He has hardly ripped up trees at Lincol has he, and remeber he promised to get them promoted this year!! So a failure he is. More Sensible than Sensible
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12:04pm Wed 18 Mar 09

c/pot says...

For all you distressed City fans there is a help line,its 414141.
For all you distressed City fans there is a help line,its 414141. c/pot
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12:40pm Wed 18 Mar 09

bantam blue says...

iv just seen last nights goals our defending was a shambles lee and clarke just not good enough bring bower back now hes a far better defender than the shambles that was on display last night
iv just seen last nights goals our defending was a shambles lee and clarke just not good enough bring bower back now hes a far better defender than the shambles that was on display last night bantam blue
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12:49pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Waynus says...

c/pot wrote:
For all you distressed City fans there is a help line,its 414141.
What really annoys me is when you get those that don't really have an opinion, they post just for effect. We have seen it all season with Skippy (rubberball or whatever he calls himself these days. Oh that's right it is now 'c/pot')!

We are City fans and pay good money to watch out team. Okay season ticket prices aren't much, but many fans travel to away games too and the cost of them can add up. As such, we are entitled to our opinion of what is right or what is going wrong at City. It annoys me though when others just use it as an opportune moment to stick the knife in when it hurts us all so much already!
[quote][p][bold]c/pot[/bold] wrote: For all you distressed City fans there is a help line,its 414141.[/p][/quote]What really annoys me is when you get those that don't really have an opinion, they post just for effect. We have seen it all season with Skippy (rubberball or whatever he calls himself these days. Oh that's right it is now 'c/pot')! We are City fans and pay good money to watch out team. Okay season ticket prices aren't much, but many fans travel to away games too and the cost of them can add up. As such, we are entitled to our opinion of what is right or what is going wrong at City. It annoys me though when others just use it as an opportune moment to stick the knife in when it hurts us all so much already! Waynus
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12:52pm Wed 18 Mar 09

gspot says...

I've not read any of the above comments cos I can imagine what most of them say. After hearing Stu last night I was gutted for him - yeah he's made his mistakes and yeah he has his faults but this is a city legend who loves the club as much as we have done, what annoys me most is that we have some city fans who seem to want him to fail!!!
This season is way from over and anybody who thinks so or is planning on getting on Stu's back on Saturday then please stay away becuause to get out of this rut then we need the fans on Saturday to turn up like we have been last few home games.
Many people at the club have put in a huge amount of work over the last 2-3 years and them people deserve our support till the end!!!!

I am still dreaming of the Stuart McCalls Bradford Army taking over Wembley again!!!! Lets all stick together. CTID
I've not read any of the above comments cos I can imagine what most of them say. After hearing Stu last night I was gutted for him - yeah he's made his mistakes and yeah he has his faults but this is a city legend who loves the club as much as we have done, what annoys me most is that we have some city fans who seem to want him to fail!!! This season is way from over and anybody who thinks so or is planning on getting on Stu's back on Saturday then please stay away becuause to get out of this rut then we need the fans on Saturday to turn up like we have been last few home games. Many people at the club have put in a huge amount of work over the last 2-3 years and them people deserve our support till the end!!!! I am still dreaming of the Stuart McCalls Bradford Army taking over Wembley again!!!! Lets all stick together. CTID gspot
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1:11pm Wed 18 Mar 09

nhenryv says...

Stuart Mcall; a great footballer and by all accounts a really decent bloke, but just not a manager - maybe too nice? best of luck, thanks for trying, and tarra.
Stuart Mcall; a great footballer and by all accounts a really decent bloke, but just not a manager - maybe too nice? best of luck, thanks for trying, and tarra. nhenryv
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1:15pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Waynus says...

I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure.

The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league.

Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally.

He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league?

Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches!

I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday.

When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night.

Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results!

Time to go Stuart, sorry!
Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?
I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~? Waynus
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1:22pm Wed 18 Mar 09

tyker says...

just watched the goals agin:sunday pub league defending:oops pub teams is where some obvioulsy want to be!!
just watched the goals agin:sunday pub league defending:oops pub teams is where some obvioulsy want to be!! tyker
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1:39pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Bredon Bantam says...

I too heard SMs comments after the game,not for the first time spoke as "one of us fans" straight from the heart in the heat of the moment straight after the game for me.

Interesting to note that Mark Lawn is intending (Urgently) to speak to SM re comments last night.

Regarding Saturday-8 games to go its S.O.B. time & with reference to-

Waynus, BD6 says... Time to go Stuart, sorry-

I feel the fans might have a different message given three points come Saturday Tea Time!.
I too heard SMs comments after the game,not for the first time spoke as "one of us fans" straight from the heart in the heat of the moment straight after the game for me. Interesting to note that Mark Lawn is intending (Urgently) to speak to SM re comments last night. Regarding Saturday-8 games to go its S.O.B. time & with reference to- Waynus, BD6 says... Time to go Stuart, sorry- I feel the fans might have a different message given three points come Saturday Tea Time!. Bredon Bantam
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1:48pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Meat Pie says...

Waynus wrote:
I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?
I don't think it's as easy as just getting rid of Wethers due to his contract payments from our time in Admin. Pretty sure that's why he's still on the books - we'd have to pay him regardless!
That's as I understand it.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?[/p][/quote]I don't think it's as easy as just getting rid of Wethers due to his contract payments from our time in Admin. Pretty sure that's why he's still on the books - we'd have to pay him regardless! That's as I understand it. Meat Pie
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2:10pm Wed 18 Mar 09

neverthetwain says...

The best thing for city is if he does resign now not at the end of the season. I said it 2 yrs ago when he was appointed city will not do anything under him but was lambasted by a few on here who have never played the game. A good x player doesnt resolve your problems.
The best thing for city is if he does resign now not at the end of the season. I said it 2 yrs ago when he was appointed city will not do anything under him but was lambasted by a few on here who have never played the game. A good x player doesnt resolve your problems. neverthetwain
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2:21pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Waynus says...

neverthetwain wrote:
The best thing for city is if he does resign now not at the end of the season. I said it 2 yrs ago when he was appointed city will not do anything under him but was lambasted by a few on here who have never played the game. A good x player doesnt resolve your problems.
And look who's back under ANOTHER guise!
[quote][p][bold]neverthetwain[/bold] wrote: The best thing for city is if he does resign now not at the end of the season. I said it 2 yrs ago when he was appointed city will not do anything under him but was lambasted by a few on here who have never played the game. A good x player doesnt resolve your problems.[/p][/quote]And look who's back under ANOTHER guise! Waynus
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2:25pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Waynus says...

Bredon Bantam wrote:
I too heard SMs comments after the game,not for the first time spoke as "one of us fans" straight from the heart in the heat of the moment straight after the game for me.

Interesting to note that Mark Lawn is intending (Urgently) to speak to SM re comments last night.

Regarding Saturday-8 games to go its S.O.B. time & with reference to-

Waynus, BD6 says... Time to go Stuart, sorry-

I feel the fans might have a different message given three points come Saturday Tea Time!.
I don't see why Saturday's game should make a difference. We SHOULD be beating teams like Vale comfortably at home. If we don't then there is a massive problem.

This will be a lose-lose game for McCall. If we don't play well, the fans will start to get on players' backs and maybe also McCall's. If we do win, then it would have just been expected anyway.

Next away game is the trip to Chester at just £10 a ticket. Are we going to send 1500 fans there to be disappointed again?

A win on Saturday may just paper over the cracks for some, but the realists will know the problems are still there!
[quote][p][bold]Bredon Bantam[/bold] wrote: I too heard SMs comments after the game,not for the first time spoke as "one of us fans" straight from the heart in the heat of the moment straight after the game for me. Interesting to note that Mark Lawn is intending (Urgently) to speak to SM re comments last night. Regarding Saturday-8 games to go its S.O.B. time & with reference to- Waynus, BD6 says... Time to go Stuart, sorry- I feel the fans might have a different message given three points come Saturday Tea Time!.[/p][/quote]I don't see why Saturday's game should make a difference. We SHOULD be beating teams like Vale comfortably at home. If we don't then there is a massive problem. This will be a lose-lose game for McCall. If we don't play well, the fans will start to get on players' backs and maybe also McCall's. If we do win, then it would have just been expected anyway. Next away game is the trip to Chester at just £10 a ticket. Are we going to send 1500 fans there to be disappointed again? A win on Saturday may just paper over the cracks for some, but the realists will know the problems are still there! Waynus
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3:00pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Peking Duck says...

8 games to go.... Is there any chance of loaning WINDASS back for the run-in? Sounds like we need a boost and someone to kick **** and lift the team and City fans everywhere. Get GILLESPIE on the wing and WINDASS in the box for the remainder. Do or die. Desperate measures and all that, cos from this end it sounds like it's all going cockle shaped and the current lot have lost the plot. 8 games...Come on, do something.
And as for poetry.....
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.
T.S. Elliot...The Hollow Men.
8 games to go.... Is there any chance of loaning WINDASS back for the run-in? Sounds like we need a boost and someone to kick **** and lift the team and City fans everywhere. Get GILLESPIE on the wing and WINDASS in the box for the remainder. Do or die. Desperate measures and all that, cos from this end it sounds like it's all going cockle shaped and the current lot have lost the plot. 8 games...Come on, do something. And as for poetry..... This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends This is the way the world ends Not with a bang but a whimper. T.S. Elliot...The Hollow Men. Peking Duck
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3:00pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Wharfedale says...

Lets give everyone a boost and make a wall of Noise at VP Sat. We have all been disapointed with some performences this season but its time to Stick together. Macca should stay on it will come right!!!If it wasn't for the cheap season tickets and Macca coming back we wouldn't be getting 12500 at home so support the team instead of crying about it!!!!!

WVC
Lets give everyone a boost and make a wall of Noise at VP Sat. We have all been disapointed with some performences this season but its time to Stick together. Macca should stay on it will come right!!!If it wasn't for the cheap season tickets and Macca coming back we wouldn't be getting 12500 at home so support the team instead of crying about it!!!!! WVC Wharfedale
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3:07pm Wed 18 Mar 09

spanglishbull.uk says...


Waynus,I thought they gave you the tickets to see the game,nobody in his right mind would pay to see that crap,would they
Waynus,I thought they gave you the tickets to see the game,nobody in his right mind would pay to see that crap,would they spanglishbull.uk
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3:26pm Wed 18 Mar 09

ermintrude says...

Its really is a shame about Stuart, thefact that he is Bradford City 100% is there for all to see and hear. I think his emotional attachment to the club has turned out to be a weakness. The opposition
management and players know that his
emotion clouds his judgement when things are going wrong and go out to hit us hard knowing that we dont really have a plan b if things go against us,just a manager who gets upset. How many of our fans suspected we would get nothing from the last three games, quite a lot of us I think. My hopes for last nights game were based on one thing. Bournmouth have been going well and we were having a bad spell away from home. Just maybe it was time for a change. I didnt think we could outplay or outfight them just thought it might be our night. For the last 8 games the team have got to be very focused and just as important be prepared to give 1005 to the cause. It is plain we cannot football our way out of this division. Stuart has made decisions this season that I cant fathom, not having striking cover is criminal why not give Rory Boulding a place on the bench? in the absence of anyone else its now of never. The lad does have some promise and is pretty quick. Players and management must give everything to winning the personal battles. If they dont its over for us this season and over for Stuart as City manager. There are 24 points to play for, we have got to go for it and make the opposition think about us knocking them off their stride for a change. Pass word idea-year, what a laugh.
Its really is a shame about Stuart, thefact that he is Bradford City 100% is there for all to see and hear. I think his emotional attachment to the club has turned out to be a weakness. The opposition management and players know that his emotion clouds his judgement when things are going wrong and go out to hit us hard knowing that we dont really have a plan b if things go against us,just a manager who gets upset. How many of our fans suspected we would get nothing from the last three games, quite a lot of us I think. My hopes for last nights game were based on one thing. Bournmouth have been going well and we were having a bad spell away from home. Just maybe it was time for a change. I didnt think we could outplay or outfight them just thought it might be our night. For the last 8 games the team have got to be very focused and just as important be prepared to give 1005 to the cause. It is plain we cannot football our way out of this division. Stuart has made decisions this season that I cant fathom, not having striking cover is criminal why not give Rory Boulding a place on the bench? in the absence of anyone else its now of never. The lad does have some promise and is pretty quick. Players and management must give everything to winning the personal battles. If they dont its over for us this season and over for Stuart as City manager. There are 24 points to play for, we have got to go for it and make the opposition think about us knocking them off their stride for a change. Pass word idea-year, what a laugh. ermintrude
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3:27pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Bredon Bantam says...

Waynus,
I also see myself as a realist,whilst I agree shocking in terms of results as the last five away days have been,I intend travelling to the next two (Chester & Morecambe)hopefully three points on Saturday & dare i say it another three at Chester will do more than just paper over the cracks.

I have always believed that this current team is built with one short term purpose in mind,to get out of this division,next season should we eventually manage it is a totally different ball game.

As Always Onwards & Upwards!
Waynus, I also see myself as a realist,whilst I agree shocking in terms of results as the last five away days have been,I intend travelling to the next two (Chester & Morecambe)hopefully three points on Saturday & dare i say it another three at Chester will do more than just paper over the cracks. I have always believed that this current team is built with one short term purpose in mind,to get out of this division,next season should we eventually manage it is a totally different ball game. As Always Onwards & Upwards! Bredon Bantam
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3:34pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Oakenshaw white says...

Not being funny people but i don't see what the panic is, even though you have lost the last three which i admit is hardly promotion form you can still get an automatic spot and still odds on for a playoff place, there is still a lot of points left to play for.
Not being funny people but i don't see what the panic is, even though you have lost the last three which i admit is hardly promotion form you can still get an automatic spot and still odds on for a playoff place, there is still a lot of points left to play for. Oakenshaw white
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4:24pm Wed 18 Mar 09

KnightMcCall says...

Waynus wrote:
I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?
Waynus, I know that you and I have some interesting discussions over the season but;

1. You promised to reserve judgement on McCall until the season was over.
2. Do you really think that two seasons is enough for anyone. Last season McCall was finding his feet and inherited a real financial mess. He is still constrained by finances and has made plenty of mistakes but we will only know if he has learned from them in the future.

I still think that he deserves another season because from about 1982 onwards, the good days have only existed at this club when McCall has been around. He deserves better because success doesn't just happen. We can all see that he has made mistakes but we all get to say so after the event; were his decisions in the Gills, Wycombe or Aldershot games woeful?

If you really think he should go then suggest a replacement.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?[/p][/quote]Waynus, I know that you and I have some interesting discussions over the season but; 1. You promised to reserve judgement on McCall until the season was over. 2. Do you really think that two seasons is enough for anyone. Last season McCall was finding his feet and inherited a real financial mess. He is still constrained by finances and has made plenty of mistakes but we will only know if he has learned from them in the future. I still think that he deserves another season because from about 1982 onwards, the good days have only existed at this club when McCall has been around. He deserves better because success doesn't just happen. We can all see that he has made mistakes but we all get to say so after the event; were his decisions in the Gills, Wycombe or Aldershot games woeful? If you really think he should go then suggest a replacement. KnightMcCall
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4:31pm Wed 18 Mar 09

the-poker-guy.com says...

unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....
unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles.... the-poker-guy.com
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4:34pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Betrescue Bob says...

Totally agree Oakenshaw white - the majority on here just want to moan all the time.

I'd much rather invest my time and money supporting a team with a loyal manager who loves the club and is in it forthe long haul.

Successful managers we've had have never stayed for a number of reasons:
Paul Jewell - quit because of Richmond
Roy McFarland - quit for a better job
Cherry - sacked
Dolan - sacked
Kamara - sacked

These are the only successful managers in the last 30 years and for whatever reason they only stayed a couple of years at most.

We now have a board that believes in longevity and perseverance.

Now how many other clubs can say that....
Totally agree Oakenshaw white - the majority on here just want to moan all the time. I'd much rather invest my time and money supporting a team with a loyal manager who loves the club and is in it forthe long haul. Successful managers we've had have never stayed for a number of reasons: Paul Jewell - quit because of Richmond Roy McFarland - quit for a better job Cherry - sacked Dolan - sacked Kamara - sacked These are the only successful managers in the last 30 years and for whatever reason they only stayed a couple of years at most. We now have a board that believes in longevity and perseverance. Now how many other clubs can say that.... Betrescue Bob
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4:40pm Wed 18 Mar 09

ricky says...

i for one dont want stu to go he cares for the club more than some fans think they do but he does have some problems getting the team to perform on a weekly basis and that is a worrying fact dont know if thats lack of management experience or the players not listening to instuctions and couldnt care less for me stu now needs to come out fighting and those who he regards of not performing to what he requires drop them and if that means bringing the likes of rory boulding ainge and bower should he recall him so be it think fans would give him back the respect he seems to have lost by having the balls to drop under achieveing players who seem to think they are automatic choices for the starting 11

i for one dont want stu to go he cares for the club more than some fans think they do but he does have some problems getting the team to perform on a weekly basis and that is a worrying fact dont know if thats lack of management experience or the players not listening to instuctions and couldnt care less for me stu now needs to come out fighting and those who he regards of not performing to what he requires drop them and if that means bringing the likes of rory boulding ainge and bower should he recall him so be it think fans would give him back the respect he seems to have lost by having the balls to drop under achieveing players who seem to think they are automatic choices for the starting 11 ricky
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4:51pm Wed 18 Mar 09

spacewagon says...

It is sickening to see a team in apparent chaos on and off the field. Players tackling each other an giving away a goal my happen at junior level, but should not be tolerated in players who are paid to play.

I would love Stuart to be around next season. But he is right to say that he won't be if we don't get promoted. However, before he goes I think he should get rid of his coaching staff and brings in new people with a tougher attitude to getting out of thiss division.



It is sickening to see a team in apparent chaos on and off the field. Players tackling each other an giving away a goal my happen at junior level, but should not be tolerated in players who are paid to play. I would love Stuart to be around next season. But he is right to say that he won't be if we don't get promoted. However, before he goes I think he should get rid of his coaching staff and brings in new people with a tougher attitude to getting out of thiss division. spacewagon
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5:23pm Wed 18 Mar 09

boparob says...

No pride in the team and it shows. Clarke should be dropped,
Evans
Lee and Rehman @ CB,
Arnison RB
O'Brien LB
Law and Furman Cent Mid
Jonah LW
Gillespie given at least 60 mins at RB with Colbeck getting the final 30
Who the hell do we play up front ? All our strikers are either crocked, indisciplined or ineffective.

I'll give me score prediction for Saturday on Friday night.
No pride in the team and it shows. Clarke should be dropped, Evans Lee and Rehman @ CB, Arnison RB O'Brien LB Law and Furman Cent Mid Jonah LW Gillespie given at least 60 mins at RB with Colbeck getting the final 30 Who the hell do we play up front ? All our strikers are either crocked, indisciplined or ineffective. I'll give me score prediction for Saturday on Friday night. boparob
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5:32pm Wed 18 Mar 09

the general 81-86 says...

Waynus wrote:
I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?
if i could ever hate a CITY fan it would be you mate
I dont know who you think you are with your overated opinions on everything that happens at VP
I did not here you or any body on here complain when we got Boulding ,brandonand Mclaren in ,in fact most were saying the best three signings for this division apart from hoult going to the Shrews,nobody seeem to have moaned about furman,law,or evans ,
so your just jumping on the bandwagon mate and your opinions mean nothing .
We all know boulding and mclaren have under achieved and nobody could plan for Brandons long term injury so to say all the signings have been woeful makes you a joke mate
I and many true CITY fans still belive that we will get in the play offs and i and many others will be clapping STU all the way to the dugout
[quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?[/p][/quote]if i could ever hate a CITY fan it would be you mate I dont know who you think you are with your overated opinions on everything that happens at VP I did not here you or any body on here complain when we got Boulding ,brandonand Mclaren in ,in fact most were saying the best three signings for this division apart from hoult going to the Shrews,nobody seeem to have moaned about furman,law,or evans , so your just jumping on the bandwagon mate and your opinions mean nothing . We all know boulding and mclaren have under achieved and nobody could plan for Brandons long term injury so to say all the signings have been woeful makes you a joke mate I and many true CITY fans still belive that we will get in the play offs and i and many others will be clapping STU all the way to the dugout the general 81-86
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6:02pm Wed 18 Mar 09

audal says...

what's up with you lot???? bradford city are a football team playing a sport you enjoy. have done since 1903. our forebears watched and kept their beloved club so why do you lot not like watching football? moan,moan,moan. go to london or old trafford. it is a game played in bradford watched by myself and hundreds more. be it prem/champ/1/2/3/4/ or w.r. div. south. get a life will you!!
what's up with you lot???? bradford city are a football team playing a sport you enjoy. have done since 1903. our forebears watched and kept their beloved club so why do you lot not like watching football? moan,moan,moan. go to london or old trafford. it is a game played in bradford watched by myself and hundreds more. be it prem/champ/1/2/3/4/ or w.r. div. south. get a life will you!! audal
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6:37pm Wed 18 Mar 09

KnightMcCall says...

Where has the spirit of Accrington gone? 3-0 down at home to a team that are more famous for milk than for football and the Kop just sang and sang. That's the way it needs to be. The fans have to play their part to have a succesful team.

Thank the lord I don't work with some of you lot; I'd be suicidal if you react to every disappointment the way you react to a City defeat. Are you this intolerant in every aspect of your life. Have you never turned up to work with a hangover? have you ever spent working hours on internet message boards? Have you ever spent just a little bit too long chatting up the hot blonde with the ample bosom when you are supposed to be dealing with a client query? If you can answer yes to any of these questions then you need to GET OFF STUART'S BACK.

Thanks to Audal and The General who may have just stopped me from putting my head inside of the noose hanging in the corner.

BTW - The Kipling 're-mix' is pretty good. I'm going to assume that I inspired that from my 'Kipling' post on Sunday. Don't care if it's not true; I going to take the credit anyway.

Where has the spirit of Accrington gone? 3-0 down at home to a team that are more famous for milk than for football and the Kop just sang and sang. That's the way it needs to be. The fans have to play their part to have a succesful team. Thank the lord I don't work with some of you lot; I'd be suicidal if you react to every disappointment the way you react to a City defeat. Are you this intolerant in every aspect of your life. Have you never turned up to work with a hangover? have you ever spent working hours on internet message boards? Have you ever spent just a little bit too long chatting up the hot blonde with the ample bosom when you are supposed to be dealing with a client query? If you can answer yes to any of these questions then you need to GET OFF STUART'S BACK. Thanks to Audal and The General who may have just stopped me from putting my head inside of the noose hanging in the corner. BTW - The Kipling 're-mix' is pretty good. I'm going to assume that I inspired that from my 'Kipling' post on Sunday. Don't care if it's not true; I going to take the credit anyway. KnightMcCall
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6:40pm Wed 18 Mar 09

s.b.c says...

the-poker-guy.com wrote:
unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....
totally disagree with you.

S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear.

Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon.

I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous.

Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly.

Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted.

We shall soon find out.

[quote][p][bold]the-poker-guy.com[/bold] wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....[/p][/quote]totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out. s.b.c
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7:21pm Wed 18 Mar 09

toonsterblue says...

i thought stuart was too inexperienced when they got him but we should just let him get on with it now.
anyone noticed zesh plays in away games and we lose, coincidence?
bower twice as good as any of these but not one of stuart's drinking mates.
really sad fan....
i thought stuart was too inexperienced when they got him but we should just let him get on with it now. anyone noticed zesh plays in away games and we lose, coincidence? bower twice as good as any of these but not one of stuart's drinking mates. really sad fan.... toonsterblue
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8:08pm Wed 18 Mar 09

BANTAM & BULL says...

Keep going stuart, i understand where your coming from and we need you to get us through this. I just hope we can pull it together asap cos time is running out!! COME ON CITY
The players need a kick up the **** and the fans need to stop getting on there backs so easy
Keep going stuart, i understand where your coming from and we need you to get us through this. I just hope we can pull it together asap cos time is running out!! COME ON CITY The players need a kick up the **** and the fans need to stop getting on there backs so easy BANTAM & BULL
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8:13pm Wed 18 Mar 09

BANTAM & BULL says...

s.b.c, 1 of afew people who's comments on here ive read and agree with. Nice 1 bud. Wish more of our fans was the same, they all think they can do better naming starting 11's and saying what should be going on and who should'nt be playing etc, they do my head in. COME ON STUART - you do have fans still behind you and all your team
s.b.c, 1 of afew people who's comments on here ive read and agree with. Nice 1 bud. Wish more of our fans was the same, they all think they can do better naming starting 11's and saying what should be going on and who should'nt be playing etc, they do my head in. COME ON STUART - you do have fans still behind you and all your team BANTAM & BULL
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9:04pm Wed 18 Mar 09

philthyr says...

Nice one Bantam and Bull. The people on here calling for Stuart to go are a vocal minority. Like all vocal minorities they have enormous chips on their shoulders and hugely inflated views of their own opinions. Waynus posted on another article wondering what sort of reception Stuart would get on Saturday - reading between the lines he seems to be wanting a muted or a hostile one. Let's shut him up by giving Stuart and the team the best and loudest support they've had all season! CTID
Nice one Bantam and Bull. The people on here calling for Stuart to go are a vocal minority. Like all vocal minorities they have enormous chips on their shoulders and hugely inflated views of their own opinions. Waynus posted on another article wondering what sort of reception Stuart would get on Saturday - reading between the lines he seems to be wanting a muted or a hostile one. Let's shut him up by giving Stuart and the team the best and loudest support they've had all season! CTID philthyr
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9:32pm Wed 18 Mar 09

KnightMcCall says...

philthyr wrote:
Nice one Bantam and Bull. The people on here calling for Stuart to go are a vocal minority. Like all vocal minorities they have enormous chips on their shoulders and hugely inflated views of their own opinions. Waynus posted on another article wondering what sort of reception Stuart would get on Saturday - reading between the lines he seems to be wanting a muted or a hostile one. Let's shut him up by giving Stuart and the team the best and loudest support they've had all season! CTID
I'm in and I usually only shout at refs.

[quote][p][bold]philthyr[/bold] wrote: Nice one Bantam and Bull. The people on here calling for Stuart to go are a vocal minority. Like all vocal minorities they have enormous chips on their shoulders and hugely inflated views of their own opinions. Waynus posted on another article wondering what sort of reception Stuart would get on Saturday - reading between the lines he seems to be wanting a muted or a hostile one. Let's shut him up by giving Stuart and the team the best and loudest support they've had all season! CTID[/p][/quote]I'm in and I usually only shout at refs. KnightMcCall
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9:39pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Freddy says...


FUNNY OLD GAME !.
FUNNY OLD GAME !. Freddy
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9:47pm Wed 18 Mar 09

keeponclucking says...

The Russian wrote:
keeponclucking wrote: I know it's sentimental but I feel desperately sorry for Stuart,knowing he feels the hurt as much as the supporters. That's the sort of manager you want to succeed.He wanted the players to show the same passion as he did as a player but seemingly all they can do is spout about how good they are in the press before getting hammered on the pitch or worse still slope off to the pub the night before a vital game(to get hammered) - some commitment! All is not lost but it is down to the players to show some guts.If they are not prepared to do that on Sat then they should ask not to be picked & do us all a favour.As a club we have turned the corner in terms of attendances & the back room set up but some of these players will be responsible for taking us back to the days of 5,000 crowds. Conlon has only just won the crowd round & McCall looked after him when he was a target for the fans - this is how repays him. I dread to think what will happen on Sat if he comes on as a sub.I suspect the crowd will make their feelings known. Stand up & be counted City for the 8 remaining league games & show the fans you want it as much as we do.
HOW can you feel sorry for McCall. He is the manager, he brought in the players, he picks the team, he chooses the formation, ITS ALL DOWN TO HIM AND HE HAS FAILED !!. SIMPLES !.Even if we make the play offs I don't want him around. His inexperience is shining through good and proper now. He can't resist tinkering with the team. He talks the team up all the time and individuals. LEE has been sh#te since he returned from suspension and its there for all to see EXCEPT McCALL. He just can't stop tinkering with the team. Why was O'Brien on the bench ? Have we an offer on the table for him. We have now hit rock bottom and McCALL has to take the can.
You say how can you feel sorry for McCall as he brought in the players & picks the team - I take it this is the same team that apart from the last fortnight has been in a play off spot since the 1st game of the season! You would have thought we were in the bottom 3. I concede that he tinkers with the team but then don't most managers? If City don't make the play offs the majority of the blame lies with the players who have punched below their weight too many times & shown a lack of consistency.
[quote][p][bold]The Russian[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]keeponclucking[/bold] wrote: I know it's sentimental but I feel desperately sorry for Stuart,knowing he feels the hurt as much as the supporters. That's the sort of manager you want to succeed.He wanted the players to show the same passion as he did as a player but seemingly all they can do is spout about how good they are in the press before getting hammered on the pitch or worse still slope off to the pub the night before a vital game(to get hammered) - some commitment! All is not lost but it is down to the players to show some guts.If they are not prepared to do that on Sat then they should ask not to be picked & do us all a favour.As a club we have turned the corner in terms of attendances & the back room set up but some of these players will be responsible for taking us back to the days of 5,000 crowds. Conlon has only just won the crowd round & McCall looked after him when he was a target for the fans - this is how repays him. I dread to think what will happen on Sat if he comes on as a sub.I suspect the crowd will make their feelings known. Stand up & be counted City for the 8 remaining league games & show the fans you want it as much as we do. [/p][/quote]HOW can you feel sorry for McCall. He is the manager, he brought in the players, he picks the team, he chooses the formation, ITS ALL DOWN TO HIM AND HE HAS FAILED !!. SIMPLES !.Even if we make the play offs I don't want him around. His inexperience is shining through good and proper now. He can't resist tinkering with the team. He talks the team up all the time and individuals. LEE has been sh#te since he returned from suspension and its there for all to see EXCEPT McCALL. He just can't stop tinkering with the team. Why was O'Brien on the bench ? Have we an offer on the table for him. We have now hit rock bottom and McCALL has to take the can.[/p][/quote]You say how can you feel sorry for McCall as he brought in the players & picks the team - I take it this is the same team that apart from the last fortnight has been in a play off spot since the 1st game of the season! You would have thought we were in the bottom 3. I concede that he tinkers with the team but then don't most managers? If City don't make the play offs the majority of the blame lies with the players who have punched below their weight too many times & shown a lack of consistency. keeponclucking
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9:50pm Wed 18 Mar 09

macca1969 says...

KnightMcCall the general i'd like to thank you and some others for bringing me back to my senses.I said after the hurt and disapointment that i didn't care if Stu stayed or went,but thats not true I want him to stay even if we don't make promotion or even the play offs.I still think he has a lot to offer and should roll his sleeves up and come out fighting i think it was him talking of quitting that made me so down more than even the result."STOP SULKING STUART AND JUST SORT THE MESS OUT" you have never been a quitter so don't start now.You should give it another go whatever happens,we need a manager that cares and feels the pain.You will get it right and i believe i'm not in the minority so expect a large show of vocal support from the terraces,(can't say that about a couple of certain players though).

I WILL WEAR MY ROSE TINTED GLASSES AND TAKE MY HEAD OUT OF THE SAND TO CHEER ON STUART AND THE TEAM(except baz and clarke) AND HOPE WE GET ON A BIT OF A ROLL. come on city come on city CTID
KnightMcCall the general i'd like to thank you and some others for bringing me back to my senses.I said after the hurt and disapointment that i didn't care if Stu stayed or went,but thats not true I want him to stay even if we don't make promotion or even the play offs.I still think he has a lot to offer and should roll his sleeves up and come out fighting i think it was him talking of quitting that made me so down more than even the result."STOP SULKING STUART AND JUST SORT THE MESS OUT" you have never been a quitter so don't start now.You should give it another go whatever happens,we need a manager that cares and feels the pain.You will get it right and i believe i'm not in the minority so expect a large show of vocal support from the terraces,(can't say that about a couple of certain players though). I WILL WEAR MY ROSE TINTED GLASSES AND TAKE MY HEAD OUT OF THE SAND TO CHEER ON STUART AND THE TEAM(except baz and clarke) AND HOPE WE GET ON A BIT OF A ROLL. come on city come on city CTID macca1969
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9:55pm Wed 18 Mar 09

macca1969 says...

Betrescue Bob wrote:
Totally agree Oakenshaw white - the majority on here just want to moan all the time. I'd much rather invest my time and money supporting a team with a loyal manager who loves the club and is in it forthe long haul. Successful managers we've had have never stayed for a number of reasons: Paul Jewell - quit because of Richmond Roy McFarland - quit for a better job Cherry - sacked Dolan - sacked Kamara - sacked These are the only successful managers in the last 30 years and for whatever reason they only stayed a couple of years at most. We now have a board that believes in longevity and perseverance. Now how many other clubs can say that....
I'll second that bob too long we have chopped and changed and what has it achieved
[quote][p][bold]Betrescue Bob[/bold] wrote: Totally agree Oakenshaw white - the majority on here just want to moan all the time. I'd much rather invest my time and money supporting a team with a loyal manager who loves the club and is in it forthe long haul. Successful managers we've had have never stayed for a number of reasons: Paul Jewell - quit because of Richmond Roy McFarland - quit for a better job Cherry - sacked Dolan - sacked Kamara - sacked These are the only successful managers in the last 30 years and for whatever reason they only stayed a couple of years at most. We now have a board that believes in longevity and perseverance. Now how many other clubs can say that.... [/p][/quote]I'll second that bob too long we have chopped and changed and what has it achieved macca1969
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10:37pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Halifax Bantam says...

s.b.c wrote:
the-poker-guy.com wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....
totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out.
sbc Leeds, i dont think anyone hates Mccall at all, they, like me are just bitterly dissapointed with the squad he has assembled, not many, if any of the current perminant signings are good enough to play at a higher division. It seems that there are and have been problems within the squad for sometime, and not just the drinking. For months the team has seemed dispondent, lacking in ambition and a complete unwillingness to fight for eachother, for all SMs talk of good morale at the club, it is clear there are problems in the dressing room which will cost us promotion and a legend.
But they are SMs siginings and he will have to live or die by them.
His unwillingness to sign players with a future ahead of them will be his undoing and i have said this from day one, even when we were winning at the start of the seson we were far from convincing and nothing has changed my oppinion.
[quote][p][bold]s.b.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the-poker-guy.com[/bold] wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....[/p][/quote]totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out. [/p][/quote]sbc Leeds, i dont think anyone hates Mccall at all, they, like me are just bitterly dissapointed with the squad he has assembled, not many, if any of the current perminant signings are good enough to play at a higher division. It seems that there are and have been problems within the squad for sometime, and not just the drinking. For months the team has seemed dispondent, lacking in ambition and a complete unwillingness to fight for eachother, for all SMs talk of good morale at the club, it is clear there are problems in the dressing room which will cost us promotion and a legend. But they are SMs siginings and he will have to live or die by them. His unwillingness to sign players with a future ahead of them will be his undoing and i have said this from day one, even when we were winning at the start of the seson we were far from convincing and nothing has changed my oppinion. Halifax Bantam
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11:15pm Wed 18 Mar 09

Get a life says...

I am just about getting my head around things.lowist point of the season and I'm sure law of average will spin around.

It is sad that football has become such a demanding sport. I urge McCall to reconsider his thoghts, and stay for the next 10 years.I am just fed up of this merry go around and just don't want to start all over again.

The players that McCall has protected through out the season has given him a kick in the teeth.

I personaly don't want to see Conlon and Clarke in the city shirt again. We definately will not miss them. Get rid just like Topp A.S.A.P.



I am just about getting my head around things.lowist point of the season and I'm sure law of average will spin around. It is sad that football has become such a demanding sport. I urge McCall to reconsider his thoghts, and stay for the next 10 years.I am just fed up of this merry go around and just don't want to start all over again. The players that McCall has protected through out the season has given him a kick in the teeth. I personaly don't want to see Conlon and Clarke in the city shirt again. We definately will not miss them. Get rid just like Topp A.S.A.P. Get a life
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11:33pm Wed 18 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

the general 81-86 wrote:
Waynus wrote:
I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?
if i could ever hate a CITY fan it would be you mate
I dont know who you think you are with your overated opinions on everything that happens at VP
I did not here you or any body on here complain when we got Boulding ,brandonand Mclaren in ,in fact most were saying the best three signings for this division apart from hoult going to the Shrews,nobody seeem to have moaned about furman,law,or evans ,
so your just jumping on the bandwagon mate and your opinions mean nothing .
We all know boulding and mclaren have under achieved and nobody could plan for Brandons long term injury so to say all the signings have been woeful makes you a joke mate
I and many true CITY fans still belive that we will get in the play offs and i and many others will be clapping STU all the way to the dugout
Firstly I must say I am surprised by your 'hate' comment. Are you saying I should be content to accept second rate football from a second rate team built by a second rate manager?

Have a look around you fella. Your little band waggon is losing it's wheels and little by little fans are realising McCall isn't up to the job.

Let's get one thing straight. No genuine City fan wants McCall to fail. Not because we are all fans of his, but because this is our club. We are all hurting (not just McCall), but we can't do anything about it. The difference is, he doesn't see a problem and therefore won't make the changes.

As for not reading anybody having a go when he signed Boulding, McLaren and Brandon, I ask is that because you can't read or because you choose to ignore?

I said from the outset that I didn't want McCall back as I was worried any failure would tarnish his legend status. I suggested Jacko or if that wasn't possible, I would have turned to Lee Sinnott.

As for Brandon, I have never rated him and said so from the outset. Yet another to be put on a pedestal just because he is a City fan. He hardly pulled up trees whilst at Town did he? He was in and out of the team because he didn't have a specialist position. He was average in midfield, average on the wing and average as a striker.

As for Boulding, he is another one that I have not rated. He had ONE good season in terms of scoring goals and that was last season. I have even pointed out that Baz's record is better. Can you not remember any of that? The fact we got him so long as we signed his brother was also a shambles. Read back and you will see what I mean.

As for McLaren (and Lee for that matter), I didn't offer any opinion as I knew very little about them. However, I am sure there are many out there that will agree neither have pulled up any trees.

Turning to Law, Furman & Jones, I do kee saying that these players are great and that we would have been in big trouble had they not signed. The problem is that they will not be here next season and that is not me jumping on any bandwagon.

Finally, if you read my posts instead of dissecting the parts that you 'hate', you may have read that I too believe we will get into the play-offs. We will beat Vale on Saturday and will probably get a much needed win at Chester. However, after those two, I can only see us getting a maximum of 10 points from the final 6 games. It will be enough to get us into the play-offs. The problem is that we cannot get results away from home against top sides and have also struggled at home against many of them, albeit there are exceptions.

One last comment. I will be clapping the players as they come out on to the pitch on Saturday. In relation to those that cheer McCall, all I said is that they turned their backs on him before the start of the Macc game, but applauded him and his team off at half time. I just asked what kind of reception he will get after his 'I will walk' confession!

No need to hate me or my views, just because yours are so different.
[quote][p][bold]the general 81-86[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus[/bold] wrote: I also still find it remarkable that some are still defending McCall, especially those that then blame HIS signings for our failure. The fact is, McCall chose to bring in experienced players but forgot to ensure they were fit enough to do a job. Our wage bill is one of the highest in this league. Someone asked me last night how we can compete with teams like Bury who gave a £2k a week contract to Bishop recently. My answer is simple, don't waste your player budgets on dross. The Boulding brothers will be on much more than that combined. One never plays and the other plays well occasionally. He signed Lee, McLaren & Arnison and they won't be on peanuts. He also renewed deals for Bully, Nix, Thorne & Baz (twice) all of whom will be on decent money. The fact is this group of players are not good enough to get us in the play-offs. Had it not been for the likes of Jones, Law & Furman, our season would have been over months ago. How does he expect us to compete in League 1 with a squad barely able to get into the top 7 of a poor league? Turning now to his decision making (and often lack of), I am still bewildered as to why he didn't bring in another striker or two. Lawn said we had money available. How come McCall didn't use it? If money is an issue, get rid of Wethers and Martyn as I would rather quality players in the team than poor ones being trained by poor coaches! I have said it on another forum and also read similar views above, why was O'B dropped last night? We had played well defensively and with Brandon starting, we needed our best attacking fullback in the side. Despite being the most consistent player of the season, McCall drops him to bring back his drink partner, Clarke. Clarke (and Conlon) should not have started last night and definitely should not on Saturday. When asked if he was going to bring back Bower, his actual response was, "I will have a look at it. We had been defending well just a few weeks ago, but I cannot defend that tonight. Having said that, Zesh can play in the middle so we do have options". Personally, I think Bower should be brought back today and trained alongside Zesh. They should be our partnership, or at least Bowser for Clarke with Rehman on the bench in case Lee has another performance like last night. Sorry McCall fans, but his signings, team selections, formations and tactics have been woeful and doesn't look like improving. We all make mistakes in our jobs, but as long as we learn from them and don't make the same ones time after time, leniency is shown. I think we have shown McCall some leniency by giving him a second year to get it right. He hasn't and is now paying for that with results! Time to go Stuart, sorry! Security words "send-road" - Send McCall down the road~?[/p][/quote]if i could ever hate a CITY fan it would be you mate I dont know who you think you are with your overated opinions on everything that happens at VP I did not here you or any body on here complain when we got Boulding ,brandonand Mclaren in ,in fact most were saying the best three signings for this division apart from hoult going to the Shrews,nobody seeem to have moaned about furman,law,or evans , so your just jumping on the bandwagon mate and your opinions mean nothing . We all know boulding and mclaren have under achieved and nobody could plan for Brandons long term injury so to say all the signings have been woeful makes you a joke mate I and many true CITY fans still belive that we will get in the play offs and i and many others will be clapping STU all the way to the dugout [/p][/quote]Firstly I must say I am surprised by your 'hate' comment. Are you saying I should be content to accept second rate football from a second rate team built by a second rate manager? Have a look around you fella. Your little band waggon is losing it's wheels and little by little fans are realising McCall isn't up to the job. Let's get one thing straight. No genuine City fan wants McCall to fail. Not because we are all fans of his, but because this is our club. We are all hurting (not just McCall), but we can't do anything about it. The difference is, he doesn't see a problem and therefore won't make the changes. As for not reading anybody having a go when he signed Boulding, McLaren and Brandon, I ask is that because you can't read or because you choose to ignore? I said from the outset that I didn't want McCall back as I was worried any failure would tarnish his legend status. I suggested Jacko or if that wasn't possible, I would have turned to Lee Sinnott. As for Brandon, I have never rated him and said so from the outset. Yet another to be put on a pedestal just because he is a City fan. He hardly pulled up trees whilst at Town did he? He was in and out of the team because he didn't have a specialist position. He was average in midfield, average on the wing and average as a striker. As for Boulding, he is another one that I have not rated. He had ONE good season in terms of scoring goals and that was last season. I have even pointed out that Baz's record is better. Can you not remember any of that? The fact we got him so long as we signed his brother was also a shambles. Read back and you will see what I mean. As for McLaren (and Lee for that matter), I didn't offer any opinion as I knew very little about them. However, I am sure there are many out there that will agree neither have pulled up any trees. Turning to Law, Furman & Jones, I do kee saying that these players are great and that we would have been in big trouble had they not signed. The problem is that they will not be here next season and that is not me jumping on any bandwagon. Finally, if you read my posts instead of dissecting the parts that you 'hate', you may have read that I too believe we will get into the play-offs. We will beat Vale on Saturday and will probably get a much needed win at Chester. However, after those two, I can only see us getting a maximum of 10 points from the final 6 games. It will be enough to get us into the play-offs. The problem is that we cannot get results away from home against top sides and have also struggled at home against many of them, albeit there are exceptions. One last comment. I will be clapping the players as they come out on to the pitch on Saturday. In relation to those that cheer McCall, all I said is that they turned their backs on him before the start of the Macc game, but applauded him and his team off at half time. I just asked what kind of reception he will get after his 'I will walk' confession! No need to hate me or my views, just because yours are so different. waynus71
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11:40pm Wed 18 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

Bredon Bantam wrote:
Waynus,
I also see myself as a realist,whilst I agree shocking in terms of results as the last five away days have been,I intend travelling to the next two (Chester & Morecambe)hopefully three points on Saturday & dare i say it another three at Chester will do more than just paper over the cracks.

I have always believed that this current team is built with one short term purpose in mind,to get out of this division,next season should we eventually manage it is a totally different ball game.

As Always Onwards & Upwards!
Bur surely that would be papering over the cracks? Aren't we expecting to beat both Vale and Chester if we have any hope of just getting into the play-offs? The fact is, when we have had the big boys to play, we have failed. In the last month, we are getting stuffed by crap teams near the foot of the table away from home. How can we expect to suddenly turn this form around now over two legs in the play-offs?

The worst part is this. If we beat Vale 1-0 on Saturday, McCall will be crowing that we kept a clean sheet. Because we win the game, he will forget our desperate need for a striker. Vale are a poor side and we should be scoring 3 or 4 against them at home if all players are available and McCall plays the right team and tactics.
[quote][p][bold]Bredon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Waynus, I also see myself as a realist,whilst I agree shocking in terms of results as the last five away days have been,I intend travelling to the next two (Chester & Morecambe)hopefully three points on Saturday & dare i say it another three at Chester will do more than just paper over the cracks. I have always believed that this current team is built with one short term purpose in mind,to get out of this division,next season should we eventually manage it is a totally different ball game. As Always Onwards & Upwards![/p][/quote]Bur surely that would be papering over the cracks? Aren't we expecting to beat both Vale and Chester if we have any hope of just getting into the play-offs? The fact is, when we have had the big boys to play, we have failed. In the last month, we are getting stuffed by crap teams near the foot of the table away from home. How can we expect to suddenly turn this form around now over two legs in the play-offs? The worst part is this. If we beat Vale 1-0 on Saturday, McCall will be crowing that we kept a clean sheet. Because we win the game, he will forget our desperate need for a striker. Vale are a poor side and we should be scoring 3 or 4 against them at home if all players are available and McCall plays the right team and tactics. waynus71
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11:46pm Wed 18 Mar 09

canaznev@hotmail.co.uk says...

just listen to the radio interview at www.bbc.co.uk/sport go to football and league 2. SM is just aspassionate about the club as we are. You can blame him allyou want, but at the end of the day its down to the lads on the field to finish the job. Give him a break.He's wounded just as we are.
just listen to the radio interview at www.bbc.co.uk/sport go to football and league 2. SM is just aspassionate about the club as we are. You can blame him allyou want, but at the end of the day its down to the lads on the field to finish the job. Give him a break.He's wounded just as we are. canaznev@hotmail.co.uk
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11:55pm Wed 18 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

philthyr wrote:
Nice one Bantam and Bull. The people on here calling for Stuart to go are a vocal minority. Like all vocal minorities they have enormous chips on their shoulders and hugely inflated views of their own opinions. Waynus posted on another article wondering what sort of reception Stuart would get on Saturday - reading between the lines he seems to be wanting a muted or a hostile one. Let's shut him up by giving Stuart and the team the best and loudest support they've had all season! CTID
Firstly, can you put your hand on your heart and say you are happy with the position we find ourselves in. Whilst you are doing that, can you honestly say you have been happy with McCall's signings, tactics and team selections this season. Third question for you to ask yourself is this. Do you rate players like Baz and Clarke, because McCall clearly does and that is why he won't bring in anyone to improve the squad. Your answers will show that I am not in a minority and my opinions are not just my own. There are loads of posters out there saying similar things.

Finally, can you point out where I said (between the lines) that I wanted people not to cheer McCall. If he gets a rousing reception and spurs the players on, why would I want anything else? First and foremost, I am a City fan desperate for success.....just like you and thousands of others!
[quote][p][bold]philthyr[/bold] wrote: Nice one Bantam and Bull. The people on here calling for Stuart to go are a vocal minority. Like all vocal minorities they have enormous chips on their shoulders and hugely inflated views of their own opinions. Waynus posted on another article wondering what sort of reception Stuart would get on Saturday - reading between the lines he seems to be wanting a muted or a hostile one. Let's shut him up by giving Stuart and the team the best and loudest support they've had all season! CTID[/p][/quote]Firstly, can you put your hand on your heart and say you are happy with the position we find ourselves in. Whilst you are doing that, can you honestly say you have been happy with McCall's signings, tactics and team selections this season. Third question for you to ask yourself is this. Do you rate players like Baz and Clarke, because McCall clearly does and that is why he won't bring in anyone to improve the squad. Your answers will show that I am not in a minority and my opinions are not just my own. There are loads of posters out there saying similar things. Finally, can you point out where I said (between the lines) that I wanted people not to cheer McCall. If he gets a rousing reception and spurs the players on, why would I want anything else? First and foremost, I am a City fan desperate for success.....just like you and thousands of others! waynus71
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12:02am Thu 19 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

canaznev@hotmail.co.
uk
wrote:
just listen to the radio interview at www.bbc.co.uk/sport go to football and league 2. SM is just aspassionate about the club as we are. You can blame him allyou want, but at the end of the day its down to the lads on the field to finish the job. Give him a break.He's wounded just as we are.
Of course he is hurting. He is a City fan as well as being the manager. However, that doesn't guarantee success does it?

The difference between McCall and us is that HE can make a difference and WE can't. He is the one that continually picks Baz despite him not being good enough. He plays Clarke despite not being good enough and refuses to play Bower or sign another striker!
[quote][p][bold]canaznev@hotmail.co. uk[/bold] wrote: just listen to the radio interview at www.bbc.co.uk/sport go to football and league 2. SM is just aspassionate about the club as we are. You can blame him allyou want, but at the end of the day its down to the lads on the field to finish the job. Give him a break.He's wounded just as we are.[/p][/quote]Of course he is hurting. He is a City fan as well as being the manager. However, that doesn't guarantee success does it? The difference between McCall and us is that HE can make a difference and WE can't. He is the one that continually picks Baz despite him not being good enough. He plays Clarke despite not being good enough and refuses to play Bower or sign another striker! waynus71
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12:33am Thu 19 Mar 09

chin up says...

If Stuart reads these messages (which I very much doubt due to the fickle fans who want instant success and post their ridiculous comments)I for one want him to stay on, keep some continuity at the club, and I firmly believe we will achieve at least a play-off spot this season!!!

Ok I will probably get some criticism from a certain few, (I couldn't give a ship)and it's this attitude McCall should take.

I'm not going to say what a manager should do or not do, that's up to him. There are too many people on here thinking their playing footy manager or something.

But there is something we can all do...that is get behind the team! I think half the people on here have serious health issues if they believe we're having a poor season. At least we have something to play for at this stage of the season!!!

If you won't back the manager and the players for their sakes, then do it for yourself!!! At the end of the day City are still the team we all support!!!

Chin up everyone!
If Stuart reads these messages (which I very much doubt due to the fickle fans who want instant success and post their ridiculous comments)I for one want him to stay on, keep some continuity at the club, and I firmly believe we will achieve at least a play-off spot this season!!! Ok I will probably get some criticism from a certain few, (I couldn't give a ship)and it's this attitude McCall should take. I'm not going to say what a manager should do or not do, that's up to him. There are too many people on here thinking their playing footy manager or something. But there is something we can all do...that is get behind the team! I think half the people on here have serious health issues if they believe we're having a poor season. At least we have something to play for at this stage of the season!!! If you won't back the manager and the players for their sakes, then do it for yourself!!! At the end of the day City are still the team we all support!!! Chin up everyone! chin up
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1:00am Thu 19 Mar 09

s.b.c says...

Halifax Bantam wrote:
s.b.c wrote:
the-poker-guy.com wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....
totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out.
sbc Leeds, i dont think anyone hates Mccall at all, they, like me are just bitterly dissapointed with the squad he has assembled, not many, if any of the current perminant signings are good enough to play at a higher division. It seems that there are and have been problems within the squad for sometime, and not just the drinking. For months the team has seemed dispondent, lacking in ambition and a complete unwillingness to fight for eachother, for all SMs talk of good morale at the club, it is clear there are problems in the dressing room which will cost us promotion and a legend.
But they are SMs siginings and he will have to live or die by them.
His unwillingness to sign players with a future ahead of them will be his undoing and i have said this from day one, even when we were winning at the start of the seson we were far from convincing and nothing has changed my oppinion.
Firstly, I defended the radio
interview after the match by S.M.

As regards signings.
Bolding. Scored over 20 goals with a relegated team. Appeared to be a good signing.
Mclaren. Most assists by a midfielder, appreciably, in a division above ours. Appeared to be a good signing.
Arnison. Also was a regular with a team in a higher division than us.
Appeared to be a good signing.
Bullock. strengthened us when he came. Played well until injured.
Appeared to be a good signing.
Evans.Apart from his kicking, good season. Good signing.

At the time these signings were made and taking into account, our financial position, everyone appeared to be optimistic.

At the beginning of the season, i thought we played quite well. The game at Port Vale in particular.

I have stated on many occasions the team is crying out for pace and youth and without Law and Furman we would be at the most, mediocre.

I am however, not letting hysteria take hold and am reserving judgement till the end of the season.

Hoping everyone keeps their nerve.



[quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s.b.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the-poker-guy.com[/bold] wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....[/p][/quote]totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out. [/p][/quote]sbc Leeds, i dont think anyone hates Mccall at all, they, like me are just bitterly dissapointed with the squad he has assembled, not many, if any of the current perminant signings are good enough to play at a higher division. It seems that there are and have been problems within the squad for sometime, and not just the drinking. For months the team has seemed dispondent, lacking in ambition and a complete unwillingness to fight for eachother, for all SMs talk of good morale at the club, it is clear there are problems in the dressing room which will cost us promotion and a legend. But they are SMs siginings and he will have to live or die by them. His unwillingness to sign players with a future ahead of them will be his undoing and i have said this from day one, even when we were winning at the start of the seson we were far from convincing and nothing has changed my oppinion.[/p][/quote]Firstly, I defended the radio interview after the match by S.M. As regards signings. Bolding. Scored over 20 goals with a relegated team. Appeared to be a good signing. Mclaren. Most assists by a midfielder, appreciably, in a division above ours. Appeared to be a good signing. Arnison. Also was a regular with a team in a higher division than us. Appeared to be a good signing. Bullock. strengthened us when he came. Played well until injured. Appeared to be a good signing. Evans.Apart from his kicking, good season. Good signing. At the time these signings were made and taking into account, our financial position, everyone appeared to be optimistic. At the beginning of the season, i thought we played quite well. The game at Port Vale in particular. I have stated on many occasions the team is crying out for pace and youth and without Law and Furman we would be at the most, mediocre. I am however, not letting hysteria take hold and am reserving judgement till the end of the season. Hoping everyone keeps their nerve. s.b.c
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2:25am Thu 19 Mar 09

MARKET135 says...

YOUR THE MANAGER STICK WITH EM U HAVE CHANGED THAT TEAM AND JUST COS U DONT GET THE PLAY OFFS U SPIT UR DUMMY OUT OMG WHAT A WENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!11
YOUR THE MANAGER STICK WITH EM U HAVE CHANGED THAT TEAM AND JUST COS U DONT GET THE PLAY OFFS U SPIT UR DUMMY OUT OMG WHAT A WENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!11 MARKET135
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7:28am Thu 19 Mar 09

keeponclucking says...

MARKET135 wrote:
YOUR THE MANAGER STICK WITH EM U HAVE CHANGED THAT TEAM AND JUST COS U DONT GET THE PLAY OFFS U SPIT UR DUMMY OUT OMG WHAT A WENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!11
A nonsense rant - have you just got back home from a drinking session with Clarke & Conlon?
[quote][p][bold]MARKET135[/bold] wrote: YOUR THE MANAGER STICK WITH EM U HAVE CHANGED THAT TEAM AND JUST COS U DONT GET THE PLAY OFFS U SPIT UR DUMMY OUT OMG WHAT A WENCH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!11 [/p][/quote]A nonsense rant - have you just got back home from a drinking session with Clarke & Conlon? keeponclucking
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7:54am Thu 19 Mar 09

Lees says...

Halifax Bantam wrote:
s.b.c wrote:
the-poker-guy.com wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....
totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out.
sbc Leeds, i dont think anyone hates Mccall at all, they, like me are just bitterly dissapointed with the squad he has assembled, not many, if any of the current perminant signings are good enough to play at a higher division. It seems that there are and have been problems within the squad for sometime, and not just the drinking. For months the team has seemed dispondent, lacking in ambition and a complete unwillingness to fight for eachother, for all SMs talk of good morale at the club, it is clear there are problems in the dressing room which will cost us promotion and a legend. But they are SMs siginings and he will have to live or die by them. His unwillingness to sign players with a future ahead of them will be his undoing and i have said this from day one, even when we were winning at the start of the seson we were far from convincing and nothing has changed my oppinion.
Totally agree with you mate, if we had 4 or 5 O'Brien's coming through and we were playing well and looking like we may be a force to be reckoned with next season it wouldn't be so bad. It's the fact that we are playing really badly we have no strikers at all and totally lack pace that annoys me.

If I tought next season we'd have a great chance of going up with what McCall has brought to the club it would be okay, fact is with this squad of pensioners we look more like relegation than promotion at the moment!

Really sad cos I would have loved Macca to have done a good job, but he hasn't we are told old as a squad except for the loan players and thats whats so bad, cos next season who ever is in charge we will have to totally re-build.
[quote][p][bold]Halifax Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]s.b.c[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the-poker-guy.com[/bold] wrote: unfortunately stu has cracked...he's shown his weakness by his passionate outburst on the radio last night. No-one can doubt his passion for the club, but we need a cool head when all others are losing theirs. What message does that send to the team. If they weren't nervous before they will be now. Our only jope is our home form can continue and get is in the playoffs, and then pray for miracles....[/p][/quote]totally disagree with you. S.M. came out and told the truth, which I think.the majority of supporters would want to hear. Unfortunately too many people are jumping on the I hate S.M. bandwagon. I am quite aware that everyone is entitled to an opinion, and appreciate how much it costs to go to an away match, however, after the way certain defenders played last night they are entitled to be nervous. Changes are not going to be made at this stage of the season and quite rightly. Can I humbly suggest, we criticize constructively and allow S.M. to get on with the job he was contracted to do. Get us promoted. We shall soon find out. [/p][/quote]sbc Leeds, i dont think anyone hates Mccall at all, they, like me are just bitterly dissapointed with the squad he has assembled, not many, if any of the current perminant signings are good enough to play at a higher division. It seems that there are and have been problems within the squad for sometime, and not just the drinking. For months the team has seemed dispondent, lacking in ambition and a complete unwillingness to fight for eachother, for all SMs talk of good morale at the club, it is clear there are problems in the dressing room which will cost us promotion and a legend. But they are SMs siginings and he will have to live or die by them. His unwillingness to sign players with a future ahead of them will be his undoing and i have said this from day one, even when we were winning at the start of the seson we were far from convincing and nothing has changed my oppinion.[/p][/quote]Totally agree with you mate, if we had 4 or 5 O'Brien's coming through and we were playing well and looking like we may be a force to be reckoned with next season it wouldn't be so bad. It's the fact that we are playing really badly we have no strikers at all and totally lack pace that annoys me. If I tought next season we'd have a great chance of going up with what McCall has brought to the club it would be okay, fact is with this squad of pensioners we look more like relegation than promotion at the moment! Really sad cos I would have loved Macca to have done a good job, but he hasn't we are told old as a squad except for the loan players and thats whats so bad, cos next season who ever is in charge we will have to totally re-build. Lees
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8:06am Thu 19 Mar 09

the general 81-86 says...

waynus71 wrote:
canaznev@hotmail.co. uk wrote: just listen to the radio interview at www.bbc.co.uk/sport go to football and league 2. SM is just aspassionate about the club as we are. You can blame him allyou want, but at the end of the day its down to the lads on the field to finish the job. Give him a break.He's wounded just as we are.
Of course he is hurting. He is a City fan as well as being the manager. However, that doesn't guarantee success does it? The difference between McCall and us is that HE can make a difference and WE can't. He is the one that continually picks Baz despite him not being good enough. He plays Clarke despite not being good enough and refuses to play Bower or sign another striker!
Did you get a knock back from the Mrs waynus with all your silly similar posts that you seem to post everday ,even your Mrs thinks your boring!
[quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]canaznev@hotmail.co. uk[/bold] wrote: just listen to the radio interview at www.bbc.co.uk/sport go to football and league 2. SM is just aspassionate about the club as we are. You can blame him allyou want, but at the end of the day its down to the lads on the field to finish the job. Give him a break.He's wounded just as we are.[/p][/quote]Of course he is hurting. He is a City fan as well as being the manager. However, that doesn't guarantee success does it? The difference between McCall and us is that HE can make a difference and WE can't. He is the one that continually picks Baz despite him not being good enough. He plays Clarke despite not being good enough and refuses to play Bower or sign another striker! [/p][/quote]Did you get a knock back from the Mrs waynus with all your silly similar posts that you seem to post everday ,even your Mrs thinks your boring! the general 81-86
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8:24am Thu 19 Mar 09

Wharfedale says...

Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!!

WVC
Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC Wharfedale
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11:06am Thu 19 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

Wharfedale wrote:
Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC
All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas.

When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale).

However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season.

At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out.

However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting!

Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week.

McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics.

He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others.

When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked!

Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on.

There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him.

Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older.
Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway.

I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.
[quote][p][bold]Wharfedale[/bold] wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC[/p][/quote]All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail. waynus71
  • Score: 0

12:32pm Thu 19 Mar 09

slarty_bartfast says...

AFCB fan here.
Ignore our league position - looking at current form your game against AFCB was a tough match so Im surprised at the reaction to the result really. Yes we all hate loosing 4-1 but when your on a poor run every game becomes hard (spoken from bitter experience) and the game against us doubly so. Dont forget its not that long ago that we were miles adrift at the bottom and also dumped out of the cup (in a replay)by Blyth Spartans (who were pretty much bottom of the BS North(?) at the time!!!). A win will soon start to ease things for you.
AFCB fan here. Ignore our league position - looking at current form your game against AFCB was a tough match so Im surprised at the reaction to the result really. Yes we all hate loosing 4-1 but when your on a poor run every game becomes hard (spoken from bitter experience) and the game against us doubly so. Dont forget its not that long ago that we were miles adrift at the bottom and also dumped out of the cup (in a replay)by Blyth Spartans (who were pretty much bottom of the BS North(?) at the time!!!). A win will soon start to ease things for you. slarty_bartfast
  • Score: 0

12:56pm Thu 19 Mar 09

weshouldbewinningeverygame says...

waynus71 wrote:
Wharfedale wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC
All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.
Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas.

When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale).
So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams.
You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle.
Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn.
CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term.
[quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wharfedale[/bold] wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC[/p][/quote]All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.[/p][/quote]Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term. weshouldbewinningeverygame
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Thu 19 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

slarty_bartfast wrote:
AFCB fan here. Ignore our league position - looking at current form your game against AFCB was a tough match so Im surprised at the reaction to the result really. Yes we all hate loosing 4-1 but when your on a poor run every game becomes hard (spoken from bitter experience) and the game against us doubly so. Dont forget its not that long ago that we were miles adrift at the bottom and also dumped out of the cup (in a replay)by Blyth Spartans (who were pretty much bottom of the BS North(?) at the time!!!). A win will soon start to ease things for you.
Thanks for those comments, but I think you may have mis-read the issues 'some' fans have. This 'over-reaction' is not because of one game. I agree with you that it was always going to be a difficult game against Bournemouth. Had we played you when the fixture was originally pencilled in, I would expect to have got three points, but as you are on a good run of form (beating some decent sides in the process), it was always going to be tough.

However, since beating Rotherham (in Sheffield), we have lost at Brentford, Bury, Barnet, Notts Co, Rochdale, Exeter & now Bournemouth. We picked up a point at Lincoln & Luton and managed just win at Gillingham. That is just 5 points from 10 away games. We scored 9 goals in those 10 games with 21 going in our net. That is the concern.

It is not an over-reaction to a drubbing by Bournemouth, although the nature of the goals conceded does add further concern.
[quote][p][bold]slarty_bartfast[/bold] wrote: AFCB fan here. Ignore our league position - looking at current form your game against AFCB was a tough match so Im surprised at the reaction to the result really. Yes we all hate loosing 4-1 but when your on a poor run every game becomes hard (spoken from bitter experience) and the game against us doubly so. Dont forget its not that long ago that we were miles adrift at the bottom and also dumped out of the cup (in a replay)by Blyth Spartans (who were pretty much bottom of the BS North(?) at the time!!!). A win will soon start to ease things for you. [/p][/quote]Thanks for those comments, but I think you may have mis-read the issues 'some' fans have. This 'over-reaction' is not because of one game. I agree with you that it was always going to be a difficult game against Bournemouth. Had we played you when the fixture was originally pencilled in, I would expect to have got three points, but as you are on a good run of form (beating some decent sides in the process), it was always going to be tough. However, since beating Rotherham (in Sheffield), we have lost at Brentford, Bury, Barnet, Notts Co, Rochdale, Exeter & now Bournemouth. We picked up a point at Lincoln & Luton and managed just win at Gillingham. That is just 5 points from 10 away games. We scored 9 goals in those 10 games with 21 going in our net. That is the concern. It is not an over-reaction to a drubbing by Bournemouth, although the nature of the goals conceded does add further concern. waynus71
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Thu 19 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

Just to show I can give a balanced argument, I would like to add that our home form has been impressive of late. Okay, we have drawn against some teams we should have beaten, but we have also beaten some quality sides too.

In the last 10 home games, we have drawn 5 and won the other 5, collecting an impressive 20 points. In that time, we scored 15 goals and conceded just 2!

McCall says he doesn't like it when teams come with 5 across the middle trying to stop us play. However, those tactics have assisted OUR defence in keeping so many clean sheets. Yes, it is harder to break the visitors down, but has that left a false impression on our defence 'doing a sound job'? How come they fall apart when other teams attack us, but look 'solid' on our home patch when teams sit back?

Those that criticise my posts, can you answer the above question?
Just to show I can give a balanced argument, I would like to add that our home form has been impressive of late. Okay, we have drawn against some teams we should have beaten, but we have also beaten some quality sides too. In the last 10 home games, we have drawn 5 and won the other 5, collecting an impressive 20 points. In that time, we scored 15 goals and conceded just 2! McCall says he doesn't like it when teams come with 5 across the middle trying to stop us play. However, those tactics have assisted OUR defence in keeping so many clean sheets. Yes, it is harder to break the visitors down, but has that left a false impression on our defence 'doing a sound job'? How come they fall apart when other teams attack us, but look 'solid' on our home patch when teams sit back? Those that criticise my posts, can you answer the above question? waynus71
  • Score: 0

2:53pm Thu 19 Mar 09

KnightMcCall says...

Waynus

You are clearly the expert; why don't you answer the question?

The fact is, your role is to support. Your role is not to comment with hindsight on where everything went wrong.

The reality is that you are now hedging your bets by stating that a couple of wins is papering over the cracks. i.e. if we win then you aren't wrong and if we lose then you had already identified the cracks. Good trick that.

Waynus You are clearly the expert; why don't you answer the question? The fact is, your role is to support. Your role is not to comment with hindsight on where everything went wrong. The reality is that you are now hedging your bets by stating that a couple of wins is papering over the cracks. i.e. if we win then you aren't wrong and if we lose then you had already identified the cracks. Good trick that. KnightMcCall
  • Score: 0

2:56pm Thu 19 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

weshouldbewinningeve
rygame
wrote:
waynus71 wrote:
Wharfedale wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC
All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.
Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term.
You say I would give 'him' 18 months before the whingeing starts agin. Not true. If we showed some real progress, then I would support the manager for his first two seasons.

You keep referring to the league table, but don't accept the points I have made previously. Because the league is poorer this time around and we got our good start at the beginning of the campaign, instead of after Christmas (like last season) you all assume we are much better placed than last season. This isn't actually true.

Last season saw us put a decent run together, but we were so far behind, we never realistically gave ourselves a chance of getting into the play-offs. This time we have been in and around the chasing pack for most of the season, but now are in danger of throwing that away. Because we are still there abouts, the expectation of most fans is still there. However, over the last 20 games, we have collected JUST 25 points. This, over a season, would not be good enough to get promoted!

Last season, after playing our 38th game, we had 51pts. This time we have 58pts; just 7 points better off at this stage of the season than we had last time around. Not much improvement really, it is only our actual position that gives you the optimistic view that we are much better than last season.

We WILL get a play-off place, that is not in doubt. However, our form against top sides, especially away from home will mean we would probably get beaten over two legs. I suppose the argument would then be that we DID at least get a play-off place and so that could be deemed an improvement.

For the record, I may not be 'McCall til I die', but I am definitely 'City til I die'! I will be at City's next two games, cheering and supporting (hopefully) the team to two victories!
[quote][p][bold]weshouldbewinningeve rygame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wharfedale[/bold] wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC[/p][/quote]All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.[/p][/quote]Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term. [/p][/quote]You say I would give 'him' 18 months before the whingeing starts agin. Not true. If we showed some real progress, then I would support the manager for his first two seasons. You keep referring to the league table, but don't accept the points I have made previously. Because the league is poorer this time around and we got our good start at the beginning of the campaign, instead of after Christmas (like last season) you all assume we are much better placed than last season. This isn't actually true. Last season saw us put a decent run together, but we were so far behind, we never realistically gave ourselves a chance of getting into the play-offs. This time we have been in and around the chasing pack for most of the season, but now are in danger of throwing that away. Because we are still there abouts, the expectation of most fans is still there. However, over the last 20 games, we have collected JUST 25 points. This, over a season, would not be good enough to get promoted! Last season, after playing our 38th game, we had 51pts. This time we have 58pts; just 7 points better off at this stage of the season than we had last time around. Not much improvement really, it is only our actual position that gives you the optimistic view that we are much better than last season. We WILL get a play-off place, that is not in doubt. However, our form against top sides, especially away from home will mean we would probably get beaten over two legs. I suppose the argument would then be that we DID at least get a play-off place and so that could be deemed an improvement. For the record, I may not be 'McCall til I die', but I am definitely 'City til I die'! I will be at City's next two games, cheering and supporting (hopefully) the team to two victories! waynus71
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3:11pm Thu 19 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

KnightMcCall wrote:
Waynus You are clearly the expert; why don't you answer the question? The fact is, your role is to support. Your role is not to comment with hindsight on where everything went wrong. The reality is that you are now hedging your bets by stating that a couple of wins is papering over the cracks. i.e. if we win then you aren't wrong and if we lose then you had already identified the cracks. Good trick that.
I thought I HAD answered the question? McCall and the rose-tinted glasses brigade keep referring to our clean sheets as proof our defence is not that bad. However, as soon as a team attacks us, we fall to pieces. The majority of the clean sheets were at home when the opponents came to stop us scoring and weren't really interested in scoring themselves. Our defence has been average at best all season.

Yes, our role is to support, but I can't remember you pointing out that fact to the Baz abusers or those that have reacted against Bully, Clarke, Arnison, Heckie, McLaren, Thorne et al. You have a go at me for my views on our progress, but almost everyone one these boards have attacked McCall's decisions at some stage of this season. Double standards??

As for 'hedging my bets', why is it? The next two games are winnable and really we should win them comfortably. My comment regarding papering over the cracks is that by winning two games, some City fans will be saying I told you not to panic, when in reality, we still have tough games against Brentford and Daggers to come, plus any play-off games.

We saw exactly that kind of reaction after the game against Aldershot. To be fair, they were poor, but a 5-0 win looked impressive all the same. All I read was how wonderful we were, but that bubble was well and truly burst over the following 2 weeks!

For the record, I will be SUPPORTING my team home and away over the coming fortnight. Whilst we are on the pitch, I will be cheering on the players and manger alike. You could class this as being hypocritical, but I would rather say it is being supportive when they need us to be....!
[quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: Waynus You are clearly the expert; why don't you answer the question? The fact is, your role is to support. Your role is not to comment with hindsight on where everything went wrong. The reality is that you are now hedging your bets by stating that a couple of wins is papering over the cracks. i.e. if we win then you aren't wrong and if we lose then you had already identified the cracks. Good trick that. [/p][/quote]I thought I HAD answered the question? McCall and the rose-tinted glasses brigade keep referring to our clean sheets as proof our defence is not that bad. However, as soon as a team attacks us, we fall to pieces. The majority of the clean sheets were at home when the opponents came to stop us scoring and weren't really interested in scoring themselves. Our defence has been average at best all season. Yes, our role is to support, but I can't remember you pointing out that fact to the Baz abusers or those that have reacted against Bully, Clarke, Arnison, Heckie, McLaren, Thorne et al. You have a go at me for my views on our progress, but almost everyone one these boards have attacked McCall's decisions at some stage of this season. Double standards?? As for 'hedging my bets', why is it? The next two games are winnable and really we should win them comfortably. My comment regarding papering over the cracks is that by winning two games, some City fans will be saying I told you not to panic, when in reality, we still have tough games against Brentford and Daggers to come, plus any play-off games. We saw exactly that kind of reaction after the game against Aldershot. To be fair, they were poor, but a 5-0 win looked impressive all the same. All I read was how wonderful we were, but that bubble was well and truly burst over the following 2 weeks! For the record, I will be SUPPORTING my team home and away over the coming fortnight. Whilst we are on the pitch, I will be cheering on the players and manger alike. You could class this as being hypocritical, but I would rather say it is being supportive when they need us to be....! waynus71
  • Score: 0

11:17pm Thu 19 Mar 09

macca1969 says...

waynus71 wrote:
weshouldbewinningeve rygame wrote:
waynus71 wrote:
Wharfedale wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC
All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.
Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term.
You say I would give 'him' 18 months before the whingeing starts agin. Not true. If we showed some real progress, then I would support the manager for his first two seasons. You keep referring to the league table, but don't accept the points I have made previously. Because the league is poorer this time around and we got our good start at the beginning of the campaign, instead of after Christmas (like last season) you all assume we are much better placed than last season. This isn't actually true. Last season saw us put a decent run together, but we were so far behind, we never realistically gave ourselves a chance of getting into the play-offs. This time we have been in and around the chasing pack for most of the season, but now are in danger of throwing that away. Because we are still there abouts, the expectation of most fans is still there. However, over the last 20 games, we have collected JUST 25 points. This, over a season, would not be good enough to get promoted! Last season, after playing our 38th game, we had 51pts. This time we have 58pts; just 7 points better off at this stage of the season than we had last time around. Not much improvement really, it is only our actual position that gives you the optimistic view that we are much better than last season. We WILL get a play-off place, that is not in doubt. However, our form against top sides, especially away from home will mean we would probably get beaten over two legs. I suppose the argument would then be that we DID at least get a play-off place and so that could be deemed an improvement. For the record, I may not be 'McCall til I die', but I am definitely 'City til I die'! I will be at City's next two games, cheering and supporting (hopefully) the team to two victories!
Why is the league poorer? Is it just becuse posh and the dons with they loafds of cash aren't in it this season so its more competitive.When did you become the judge on if its a poorer league where are you facts or stats to prove it.It winds mw up when people talk about other clubs and dis them to make our team look better.WE ARE A 4TH DIV SIDE HUST LIKE THE REST,and we are still in contention just like brentford gillingham rochdale bury and so on but none of they fans are moaning.Maybe the league is better but hey who am i to decide that as i really only watch city so wouldn't want to pass judgement on the other 22 teams
[quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weshouldbewinningeve rygame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wharfedale[/bold] wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC[/p][/quote]All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.[/p][/quote]Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term. [/p][/quote]You say I would give 'him' 18 months before the whingeing starts agin. Not true. If we showed some real progress, then I would support the manager for his first two seasons. You keep referring to the league table, but don't accept the points I have made previously. Because the league is poorer this time around and we got our good start at the beginning of the campaign, instead of after Christmas (like last season) you all assume we are much better placed than last season. This isn't actually true. Last season saw us put a decent run together, but we were so far behind, we never realistically gave ourselves a chance of getting into the play-offs. This time we have been in and around the chasing pack for most of the season, but now are in danger of throwing that away. Because we are still there abouts, the expectation of most fans is still there. However, over the last 20 games, we have collected JUST 25 points. This, over a season, would not be good enough to get promoted! Last season, after playing our 38th game, we had 51pts. This time we have 58pts; just 7 points better off at this stage of the season than we had last time around. Not much improvement really, it is only our actual position that gives you the optimistic view that we are much better than last season. We WILL get a play-off place, that is not in doubt. However, our form against top sides, especially away from home will mean we would probably get beaten over two legs. I suppose the argument would then be that we DID at least get a play-off place and so that could be deemed an improvement. For the record, I may not be 'McCall til I die', but I am definitely 'City til I die'! I will be at City's next two games, cheering and supporting (hopefully) the team to two victories![/p][/quote]Why is the league poorer? Is it just becuse posh and the dons with they loafds of cash aren't in it this season so its more competitive.When did you become the judge on if its a poorer league where are you facts or stats to prove it.It winds mw up when people talk about other clubs and dis them to make our team look better.WE ARE A 4TH DIV SIDE HUST LIKE THE REST,and we are still in contention just like brentford gillingham rochdale bury and so on but none of they fans are moaning.Maybe the league is better but hey who am i to decide that as i really only watch city so wouldn't want to pass judgement on the other 22 teams macca1969
  • Score: 0

12:04am Fri 20 Mar 09

waynus71 says...

macca1969 wrote:
waynus71 wrote:
weshouldbewinningeve rygame wrote:
waynus71 wrote:
Wharfedale wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC
All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.
Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term.
You say I would give 'him' 18 months before the whingeing starts agin. Not true. If we showed some real progress, then I would support the manager for his first two seasons. You keep referring to the league table, but don't accept the points I have made previously. Because the league is poorer this time around and we got our good start at the beginning of the campaign, instead of after Christmas (like last season) you all assume we are much better placed than last season. This isn't actually true. Last season saw us put a decent run together, but we were so far behind, we never realistically gave ourselves a chance of getting into the play-offs. This time we have been in and around the chasing pack for most of the season, but now are in danger of throwing that away. Because we are still there abouts, the expectation of most fans is still there. However, over the last 20 games, we have collected JUST 25 points. This, over a season, would not be good enough to get promoted! Last season, after playing our 38th game, we had 51pts. This time we have 58pts; just 7 points better off at this stage of the season than we had last time around. Not much improvement really, it is only our actual position that gives you the optimistic view that we are much better than last season. We WILL get a play-off place, that is not in doubt. However, our form against top sides, especially away from home will mean we would probably get beaten over two legs. I suppose the argument would then be that we DID at least get a play-off place and so that could be deemed an improvement. For the record, I may not be 'McCall til I die', but I am definitely 'City til I die'! I will be at City's next two games, cheering and supporting (hopefully) the team to two victories!
Why is the league poorer? Is it just becuse posh and the dons with they loafds of cash aren't in it this season so its more competitive.When did you become the judge on if its a poorer league where are you facts or stats to prove it.It winds mw up when people talk about other clubs and dis them to make our team look better.WE ARE A 4TH DIV SIDE HUST LIKE THE REST,and we are still in contention just like brentford gillingham rochdale bury and so on but none of they fans are moaning.Maybe the league is better but hey who am i to decide that as i really only watch city so wouldn't want to pass judgement on the other 22 teams
No, their fans haven't turned on them. Why? Those teams are putting in decent performances and are getting some momentum. Over the last 20 games, we have collected just 25 points. Are you seriously saying that is promotion form?

More importantly, in our last 7 games, we have picked up just 6 points and have dropped from 2nd to 8th in that time. Other teams HAVE won more points over that period.

Lawn & Rhodes assured us that they had pulled out all the stops financially for McCall this season and confirmed we have the largest salary budget in our league. Despite this, our squad isn't much better than last season's. That isn't someone with a glass half empty attitude. That is a fact!
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]weshouldbewinningeve rygame[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wharfedale[/bold] wrote: Its well known that most of the people that comment on this site regularly are of a negative nature. Its great to see so many people coming on in support of the team the club and Stuart, yes Waynus I said SUPPORT!!!!! WVC[/p][/quote]All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). However, I gave McCall my FULL backing. Nobody would have been more proud for the City legend to return for a third time and take us out of this league. Throughout his first season, when others were demanding his sacking, I agreed with some that said he was a novice and needed time. He openly admitted that he signed some players on recommendations and that this would be different for his second season. At the beginning of the current season, as soon as results started to become mixed, some started calling for his head again. I DIDN'T! I said we needed to give his new signings time to gell. When key players started to get injured and the early season form fell away, others started calling for his head again. Once more, I stood forward and said he was unfortunate that players such as Bully, McLaren, Arnison, Colbeck and Thorne were out. However, McCall started to lose confidence in some fans, me included. It is been apparent since Topp left that we have needed another striker. We are still waiting! Yes, we went on a run of clean sheets, but that was more to do with the midfield winning their battles than any excellent defensive performance. Clarke has been poor all season and Lee not a great deal better, yet Bower was 'unlucky' to be shipped out on loan. He still hasn't returned. Rehman (an International centre-back) came in on loan and has played everyone but his favoured position. He has only played there twice and that was due to suspension and McCall's decision to punish Clarke last week. McCall played an injured keeper and despite his protests, it was the wrong thing to do. Even the opposing manager has said it changed their tactics. He has broken up the best central midfield partnership, in this league, many times to accommodate others. When we were going on our run of clean sheets, several players missed a game or two. I remember O'B missing a game through injury and didn't get his place back the following week as the 'team had done so well'. However, Lee then picked up a suspension and had to miss a game too. Back came O'B with Rehman switching to centre. We kept a clean sheet with 'another very good defensive performance'. However, Lee returned immediately from his suspension and Arnison made way for him. Why?? Is this not double standards? It appears to me that Clarke and Lee are favourites and will not be dropped unless there is a breach of rules. It doesn't matter how they play together as a unit, they will still get picked! Thorne was picked as a sub when McCall then admitted he would never have brought him on. There are many other decisions that have left us baffled and this is why I lost my confidence in him. Personally, I think the squad is only marginally better than last season's, albeit a little older. Only last week he said he had asked Jakes and Wethers for their opinions but then immediately did his own thing anyway. I would still love McCall to succeed, I really would. I just don't think he has it in his locker to do so. This isn't a personal attack on Stuart even though some think I am just a negative whinge with a chip on my shoulder, willing for McCall to fail.[/p][/quote]Waynus wrote..All the regular posters to this site over the past three years should readily accept that I was one of the more positive writers up until Christmas. When McCall was first muted as being approached to manage our club, I said he wasn't my first choice for the position. I suggested Jacko (who has proved he can build good, young exciting teams) or Sinnott (who did a good job at Farsley and was unfortunate at Port Vale). So Waynus, you would have preferred Jacko or Sinnott then. MM we are probably having our most successful league season for a long long time, and all you appear to do is offer your words of doom. Take a step back, and just look at the league table and think: 1- what right does any team have to have a promotion season over any other team, and 2; Out of all the football leagues, we are having a better season than at least 50% of the other teams. You really need to spend as much effort in supporting the team as you do putting tiresome, boring 'ooh I'd do this because I know what I'm talking about yawn yawn waffle. Say we get another manager - how long do you give him - two years? Prob 18 months and then your whinging starts all over again yawn yawn yawn. CTID. Not here for the short term, here for the long term. [/p][/quote]You say I would give 'him' 18 months before the whingeing starts agin. Not true. If we showed some real progress, then I would support the manager for his first two seasons. You keep referring to the league table, but don't accept the points I have made previously. Because the league is poorer this time around and we got our good start at the beginning of the campaign, instead of after Christmas (like last season) you all assume we are much better placed than last season. This isn't actually true. Last season saw us put a decent run together, but we were so far behind, we never realistically gave ourselves a chance of getting into the play-offs. This time we have been in and around the chasing pack for most of the season, but now are in danger of throwing that away. Because we are still there abouts, the expectation of most fans is still there. However, over the last 20 games, we have collected JUST 25 points. This, over a season, would not be good enough to get promoted! Last season, after playing our 38th game, we had 51pts. This time we have 58pts; just 7 points better off at this stage of the season than we had last time around. Not much improvement really, it is only our actual position that gives you the optimistic view that we are much better than last season. We WILL get a play-off place, that is not in doubt. However, our form against top sides, especially away from home will mean we would probably get beaten over two legs. I suppose the argument would then be that we DID at least get a play-off place and so that could be deemed an improvement. For the record, I may not be 'McCall til I die', but I am definitely 'City til I die'! I will be at City's next two games, cheering and supporting (hopefully) the team to two victories![/p][/quote]Why is the league poorer? Is it just becuse posh and the dons with they loafds of cash aren't in it this season so its more competitive.When did you become the judge on if its a poorer league where are you facts or stats to prove it.It winds mw up when people talk about other clubs and dis them to make our team look better.WE ARE A 4TH DIV SIDE HUST LIKE THE REST,and we are still in contention just like brentford gillingham rochdale bury and so on but none of they fans are moaning.Maybe the league is better but hey who am i to decide that as i really only watch city so wouldn't want to pass judgement on the other 22 teams[/p][/quote]No, their fans haven't turned on them. Why? Those teams are putting in decent performances and are getting some momentum. Over the last 20 games, we have collected just 25 points. Are you seriously saying that is promotion form? More importantly, in our last 7 games, we have picked up just 6 points and have dropped from 2nd to 8th in that time. Other teams HAVE won more points over that period. Lawn & Rhodes assured us that they had pulled out all the stops financially for McCall this season and confirmed we have the largest salary budget in our league. Despite this, our squad isn't much better than last season's. That isn't someone with a glass half empty attitude. That is a fact! waynus71
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10:54am Fri 20 Mar 09

KnightMcCall says...

waynus71 wrote:
KnightMcCall wrote: Waynus You are clearly the expert; why don't you answer the question? The fact is, your role is to support. Your role is not to comment with hindsight on where everything went wrong. The reality is that you are now hedging your bets by stating that a couple of wins is papering over the cracks. i.e. if we win then you aren't wrong and if we lose then you had already identified the cracks. Good trick that.
I thought I HAD answered the question? McCall and the rose-tinted glasses brigade keep referring to our clean sheets as proof our defence is not that bad. However, as soon as a team attacks us, we fall to pieces. The majority of the clean sheets were at home when the opponents came to stop us scoring and weren't really interested in scoring themselves. Our defence has been average at best all season. Yes, our role is to support, but I can't remember you pointing out that fact to the Baz abusers or those that have reacted against Bully, Clarke, Arnison, Heckie, McLaren, Thorne et al. You have a go at me for my views on our progress, but almost everyone one these boards have attacked McCall's decisions at some stage of this season. Double standards?? As for 'hedging my bets', why is it? The next two games are winnable and really we should win them comfortably. My comment regarding papering over the cracks is that by winning two games, some City fans will be saying I told you not to panic, when in reality, we still have tough games against Brentford and Daggers to come, plus any play-off games. We saw exactly that kind of reaction after the game against Aldershot. To be fair, they were poor, but a 5-0 win looked impressive all the same. All I read was how wonderful we were, but that bubble was well and truly burst over the following 2 weeks! For the record, I will be SUPPORTING my team home and away over the coming fortnight. Whilst we are on the pitch, I will be cheering on the players and manger alike. You could class this as being hypocritical, but I would rather say it is being supportive when they need us to be....!
You just don't get it do you Waynus. Is anyone actually saying that we are playing good football or that McCall has not made mistakes?

No, we are saying that McCall deserves more time and doesn't need whining fans who think that they know everything about the game by commenting after the event about what should have been done differently.

Two years is not "proof" that McCall will never make a great manager. How many mistakes have you been allowed to make in your career to learn how to do things better? You seem to think that a two year cycle is more than enough - good job Man Utd didn't think two years was enough of Ferguson or that Crewe didn't think that two years was enough for Gradi.

It is about time a Board of Directors made a firm decision about the manager and then stick with him. Let's hope that Lawn and Rhodes can see the long-term benefits of doing so with McCall. It is a team game and success or failure is not down to one man so accept that as a team we may not be good enough this year and try a little patience.

BTW - Good fans are part of the team so maybe we don't deserve promotion if we turn on the team as soon as our expectations are not met.
[quote][p][bold]waynus71[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]KnightMcCall[/bold] wrote: Waynus You are clearly the expert; why don't you answer the question? The fact is, your role is to support. Your role is not to comment with hindsight on where everything went wrong. The reality is that you are now hedging your bets by stating that a couple of wins is papering over the cracks. i.e. if we win then you aren't wrong and if we lose then you had already identified the cracks. Good trick that. [/p][/quote]I thought I HAD answered the question? McCall and the rose-tinted glasses brigade keep referring to our clean sheets as proof our defence is not that bad. However, as soon as a team attacks us, we fall to pieces. The majority of the clean sheets were at home when the opponents came to stop us scoring and weren't really interested in scoring themselves. Our defence has been average at best all season. Yes, our role is to support, but I can't remember you pointing out that fact to the Baz abusers or those that have reacted against Bully, Clarke, Arnison, Heckie, McLaren, Thorne et al. You have a go at me for my views on our progress, but almost everyone one these boards have attacked McCall's decisions at some stage of this season. Double standards?? As for 'hedging my bets', why is it? The next two games are winnable and really we should win them comfortably. My comment regarding papering over the cracks is that by winning two games, some City fans will be saying I told you not to panic, when in reality, we still have tough games against Brentford and Daggers to come, plus any play-off games. We saw exactly that kind of reaction after the game against Aldershot. To be fair, they were poor, but a 5-0 win looked impressive all the same. All I read was how wonderful we were, but that bubble was well and truly burst over the following 2 weeks! For the record, I will be SUPPORTING my team home and away over the coming fortnight. Whilst we are on the pitch, I will be cheering on the players and manger alike. You could class this as being hypocritical, but I would rather say it is being supportive when they need us to be....![/p][/quote]You just don't get it do you Waynus. Is anyone actually saying that we are playing good football or that McCall has not made mistakes? No, we are saying that McCall deserves more time and doesn't need whining fans who think that they know everything about the game by commenting after the event about what should have been done differently. Two years is not "proof" that McCall will never make a great manager. How many mistakes have you been allowed to make in your career to learn how to do things better? You seem to think that a two year cycle is more than enough - good job Man Utd didn't think two years was enough of Ferguson or that Crewe didn't think that two years was enough for Gradi. It is about time a Board of Directors made a firm decision about the manager and then stick with him. Let's hope that Lawn and Rhodes can see the long-term benefits of doing so with McCall. It is a team game and success or failure is not down to one man so accept that as a team we may not be good enough this year and try a little patience. BTW - Good fans are part of the team so maybe we don't deserve promotion if we turn on the team as soon as our expectations are not met. KnightMcCall
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10:47pm Sun 22 Mar 09

oddshapedballs says...

Bantam58 wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote: Now will all you lot listen to me. I have been saying he wouldn't be here next season for months. He is a second rate assistant manager and that is it. When it is finalised that you are going nowhere he will fall on his own sword and walk.
Stick to the Bulls mate but then again they are not much better.
Rugby fan not necessarily Bulls.

They will get in the play offs though unlike city
[quote][p][bold]Bantam58[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: Now will all you lot listen to me. I have been saying he wouldn't be here next season for months. He is a second rate assistant manager and that is it. When it is finalised that you are going nowhere he will fall on his own sword and walk.[/p][/quote]Stick to the Bulls mate but then again they are not much better.[/p][/quote]Rugby fan not necessarily Bulls. They will get in the play offs though unlike city oddshapedballs
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