You have to hand it to Bradford City striker Mclean

COMETH THE HOUR... Aaron Mclean wheels away to celebrate his controversial match-winning strike in the 82rd minute. See for yourself if he handled the ball in our new-look Match Pictures gallery

COMETH THE HOUR... Aaron Mclean wheels away to celebrate his controversial match-winning strike in the 82rd minute. See for yourself if he handled the ball in our new-look Match Pictures gallery

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PHIL Parkinson shrugged off the controversy over Aaron Mclean’s late Capital One Cup winner at Morecambe as City dream of a potential second-round windfall.

It was Mclean’s first goal of the season but he appeared to handle the ball over the line to see off the League Two side at the Globe Arena.

Victory completed a good day for Parkinson, who had earlier secured exciting Derby strike prospect Mason Bennett on a half-season loan.

Parkinson said: “Aaron bundled it in. Whether it was with his arm or not I don’t care – strikers score goals in the six-yard box and that’s his job. I feel we’ve got players who will create chances for him.

“It was a difficult game but I didn’t expect anything different. Morecambe look like a team who can threaten at the right end of their league this year.

“We were under pressure being the team from a higher division. There’s also the factor that we were in the final not that long ago.

“That brings increased expectations and increased exposure from the media because everybody will be looking at our result. I told the lads we didn’t want to see the headlines that the cup finalists two years ago had gone out.

“Sometimes your quality coming from the bench compared to the team from the lower division can be the difference. I thought that was the case.

“I felt Billy Knott came on with that extra little bit of incisiveness when everyone else was tired.”

Ben Williams was drafted in as Jordan Pickford’s replacement in goal and earned Parkinson’s praise for the clean sheet.

“The stand-out performances were the goalkeeper and the back four. I thought Alan Sheehan was terrific at centre back and won every header.

“Ben’s got so many games under his belt and it was so important we had an experienced keeper. We’d have trusted Matt Urwin but having that experience behind the back four helps a lot.”

Manchester United are among the Premier League sides who City could draw tonight and Parkinson is hoping they pull out a plum.

“I want a money spinner. A couple of years ago we were waiting for that big one to come out of the hat – we’ve given ourselves a chance.”

MORECAMBE v CITY PICTURE GALLERY

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7:40am Wed 13 Aug 14

vanginger says...

Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?!
Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?! vanginger
  • Score: 8

8:03am Wed 13 Aug 14

Freddy says...

vanginger wrote:
Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?!
*
Agreed !---Where is the Picture Gallery. Need a 'Puter expert to tell us where to find the 'Piccy Gallery'.
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If McClean did control with his arm or hand, and the officials did not see it. That's Footy !. It can go for you , and against you. If a player does a " Maradonna " and it is not seen--it could equally occur against City, in any future match. Not unlike 'Pens'. They are sometimes given for, and against.
*
Hope City get a lucrative Home Draw tonight. The continuing good work rate and result, is lifting all the supporters spirits. Keep it going !!!.
*
[quote][p][bold]vanginger[/bold] wrote: Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?![/p][/quote]* Agreed !---Where is the Picture Gallery. Need a 'Puter expert to tell us where to find the 'Piccy Gallery'. * If McClean did control with his arm or hand, and the officials did not see it. That's Footy !. It can go for you , and against you. If a player does a " Maradonna " and it is not seen--it could equally occur against City, in any future match. Not unlike 'Pens'. They are sometimes given for, and against. * Hope City get a lucrative Home Draw tonight. The continuing good work rate and result, is lifting all the supporters spirits. Keep it going !!!. * Freddy
  • Score: 3

8:30am Wed 13 Aug 14

Farsley Bantam says...

vanginger wrote:
Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?!
Click on the 'Bantams' tab then the 'Match Pictures' tab.
Difficult to tell from the picture but from the interviews it seems to be pretty clear that he did!
[quote][p][bold]vanginger[/bold] wrote: Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?![/p][/quote]Click on the 'Bantams' tab then the 'Match Pictures' tab. Difficult to tell from the picture but from the interviews it seems to be pretty clear that he did! Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

9:49am Wed 13 Aug 14

logic13 says...

Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few. logic13
  • Score: 25

10:17am Wed 13 Aug 14

Nickloza says...

Freddy wrote:
vanginger wrote:
Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?!
*
Agreed !---Where is the Picture Gallery. Need a 'Puter expert to tell us where to find the 'Piccy Gallery'.
*
If McClean did control with his arm or hand, and the officials did not see it. That's Footy !. It can go for you , and against you. If a player does a " Maradonna " and it is not seen--it could equally occur against City, in any future match. Not unlike 'Pens'. They are sometimes given for, and against.
*
Hope City get a lucrative Home Draw tonight. The continuing good work rate and result, is lifting all the supporters spirits. Keep it going !!!.
*
https://www.youtube.
com/watch?v=IlapTyD9
reE&feature=youtu.be
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]vanginger[/bold] wrote: Would love to see the new picture gallery to see if he handled it, but where is it?![/p][/quote]* Agreed !---Where is the Picture Gallery. Need a 'Puter expert to tell us where to find the 'Piccy Gallery'. * If McClean did control with his arm or hand, and the officials did not see it. That's Footy !. It can go for you , and against you. If a player does a " Maradonna " and it is not seen--it could equally occur against City, in any future match. Not unlike 'Pens'. They are sometimes given for, and against. * Hope City get a lucrative Home Draw tonight. The continuing good work rate and result, is lifting all the supporters spirits. Keep it going !!!. *[/p][/quote]https://www.youtube. com/watch?v=IlapTyD9 reE&feature=youtu.be Nickloza
  • Score: 7

10:35am Wed 13 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

logic13 wrote:
Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry).

It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity.

It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions.

More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
[quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 8

11:21am Wed 13 Aug 14

Plastic Bantam says...

3 goals in 3 games and 7 minutes...
3 goals in 3 games and 7 minutes... Plastic Bantam
  • Score: 3

12:57pm Wed 13 Aug 14

shoemanzee says...

Clear handball for me... However whilst I have sympathy for Morecambe and their fans, its happened the other way around to us on many an occasion. Unjust, but that's football!

30-40 justifiable shouts for a penalty last season and only one awarded... Maybe the footballing gods are shining on us for change.
Clear handball for me... However whilst I have sympathy for Morecambe and their fans, its happened the other way around to us on many an occasion. Unjust, but that's football! 30-40 justifiable shouts for a penalty last season and only one awarded... Maybe the footballing gods are shining on us for change. shoemanzee
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dannbradfc says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote:
Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry).

It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity.

It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions.

More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo.

At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea
tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency....... dannbradfc
  • Score: -7

2:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......[/p][/quote]I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 1

3:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Pablo says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote:
Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry).

It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity.

It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions.

More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo.

At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea

tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
A "spot on" response, dann.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......[/p][/quote]A "spot on" response, dann. Pablo
  • Score: -8

3:50pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dannbradfc says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.
sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......[/p][/quote]I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.[/p][/quote]sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-) dannbradfc
  • Score: -5

3:51pm Wed 13 Aug 14

lawsonio123 says...

Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE
Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE lawsonio123
  • Score: -15

4:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.
sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)
Whether a genuine mistake means a 'slip of the pen' or a bad call (sure I have made plenty of errors myself) there is no issue.

What I regard as a 'mistake' is a decision to spout vulgar and unsubstantiated remarks from the safety of a keyboard or other such device.

Subsequent apology or not, the annoyance stems from why that person saw fit to comment in the first place. I would find it easier to accept were these persons not actually fans of the club.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......[/p][/quote]I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.[/p][/quote]sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)[/p][/quote]Whether a genuine mistake means a 'slip of the pen' or a bad call (sure I have made plenty of errors myself) there is no issue. What I regard as a 'mistake' is a decision to spout vulgar and unsubstantiated remarks from the safety of a keyboard or other such device. Subsequent apology or not, the annoyance stems from why that person saw fit to comment in the first place. I would find it easier to accept were these persons not actually fans of the club. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 1

4:25pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dannbradfc says...

lawsonio123 wrote:
Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE
law of karma may apply here.......people will justify it saying goals have been allowed against us that shouldn't have been. They will also say its evens itself out over time when there is absolutely no evidence to say this is true......
[quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE[/p][/quote]law of karma may apply here.......people will justify it saying goals have been allowed against us that shouldn't have been. They will also say its evens itself out over time when there is absolutely no evidence to say this is true...... dannbradfc
  • Score: -4

4:41pm Wed 13 Aug 14

dannbradfc says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.
sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)
Whether a genuine mistake means a 'slip of the pen' or a bad call (sure I have made plenty of errors myself) there is no issue.

What I regard as a 'mistake' is a decision to spout vulgar and unsubstantiated remarks from the safety of a keyboard or other such device.

Subsequent apology or not, the annoyance stems from why that person saw fit to comment in the first place. I would find it easier to accept were these persons not actually fans of the club.
i concur and stated that maliciousness is not an opinion deserving in my post. There is indeed no need neither to resort to swearing. swearing in conversation happens but typing it isn't necessary or is done intentionally. It shows a lack of control and even intelligence from the individual who feels it necessary to resort to name calling and cussing.

Some opinions can be unsubstantiated but still have subjective value i feel. We will all have subjective opinions about different players, incidents etc....calling someone a diver for instance may be a subjective view but not necessarily supported by the rules of the game.......stats are also deceptive

intentionality is key when judging whether such matters are meant to cause offense. A subjective opinion on football that is argued/debated sensibly is valid as far as i'm concerned. Its what makes these sites, radio and pub debates interesting/fun and fuels football fandom....
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......[/p][/quote]I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.[/p][/quote]sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)[/p][/quote]Whether a genuine mistake means a 'slip of the pen' or a bad call (sure I have made plenty of errors myself) there is no issue. What I regard as a 'mistake' is a decision to spout vulgar and unsubstantiated remarks from the safety of a keyboard or other such device. Subsequent apology or not, the annoyance stems from why that person saw fit to comment in the first place. I would find it easier to accept were these persons not actually fans of the club.[/p][/quote]i concur and stated that maliciousness is not an opinion deserving in my post. There is indeed no need neither to resort to swearing. swearing in conversation happens but typing it isn't necessary or is done intentionally. It shows a lack of control and even intelligence from the individual who feels it necessary to resort to name calling and cussing. Some opinions can be unsubstantiated but still have subjective value i feel. We will all have subjective opinions about different players, incidents etc....calling someone a diver for instance may be a subjective view but not necessarily supported by the rules of the game.......stats are also deceptive intentionality is key when judging whether such matters are meant to cause offense. A subjective opinion on football that is argued/debated sensibly is valid as far as i'm concerned. Its what makes these sites, radio and pub debates interesting/fun and fuels football fandom.... dannbradfc
  • Score: -4

5:45pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
logic13 wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.
I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.
i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......
I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.
sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)
Whether a genuine mistake means a 'slip of the pen' or a bad call (sure I have made plenty of errors myself) there is no issue. What I regard as a 'mistake' is a decision to spout vulgar and unsubstantiated remarks from the safety of a keyboard or other such device. Subsequent apology or not, the annoyance stems from why that person saw fit to comment in the first place. I would find it easier to accept were these persons not actually fans of the club.
i concur and stated that maliciousness is not an opinion deserving in my post. There is indeed no need neither to resort to swearing. swearing in conversation happens but typing it isn't necessary or is done intentionally. It shows a lack of control and even intelligence from the individual who feels it necessary to resort to name calling and cussing. Some opinions can be unsubstantiated but still have subjective value i feel. We will all have subjective opinions about different players, incidents etc....calling someone a diver for instance may be a subjective view but not necessarily supported by the rules of the game.......stats are also deceptive intentionality is key when judging whether such matters are meant to cause offense. A subjective opinion on football that is argued/debated sensibly is valid as far as i'm concerned. Its what makes these sites, radio and pub debates interesting/fun and fuels football fandom....
Talking of pub debates, there is no better place to congregate than the Second West. You have access to all the insight in there. They have a screen that shows football matches on Sky Sports (and possibly BT Sport as well).

By chance, I am currently located in Cambridge and spend all my spare time encouraging the Cambridge Union to head north for a meeting. Unfortunately, no-one seems too keen on the idea.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]logic13[/bold] wrote: Hand ball or not it seems to me that the point is he was in the 6 yard box to do whatever it was he did to get the ball over the line. On Saturday there were a few occasions when balls into the box were easily defended because we had nobody there to cause problems. A fit Aaron Mclean will get into the box and if our style of play continues to get the ball into the box as well then maybe he will start to convert and allay the worries of those who think he may have been a waste of money and/or be earning too much money. I thought he looked lively in the few minutes he was on the pitch on Saturday and I don't see how you can do more than score the winner when you come on as sub as he did last night. I read some comments questioning his desire, yesterday, but I can't see any evidence so far. Let's give the lad a chance and just maybe he might surprise a few.[/p][/quote]I think that there is a silent minority/majority that were always prepared to give him a McLean break (sorry). It is the ill-informed who wish to run people out of town at thfirst opportunity. It is much too early to say what will happen this season, but it is noticeable that Kennedy, Yeates and McLean look as good as the new additions. More ironicaly, it might be the 2013-4 recruitment campaign was not a footballing disaster after all.[/p][/quote]i did a lon response to this then lost connection. Oh well. But basically there's no evidence that there is a silent majority. It can only be speculation. I'm sure that there are people out there though who offer no opinion of their own but then denounce others when theres is proven wrong or mistaken. We can only base maclean on his performances, not reputation nor what he may do in the future. Some argue that the style of play and his fitness didn't help him last season. perhaps. hanson still scored with an injury. Was that because of the style/service? I argued that he didn't play with enough of a 'football brain' to counter this and was looking for a physical tussle and playing with back to goal rather than space. We'll see how he fares. I want ALL our players to succeed. Mclean arrives with more expectation than does a mcburnie for instance and financially that is fair imo. At least some offer an opinion. merely all of a sudden able to contribute to say someone was wrong (thus why be silent in the first place) having not said anything is a form of cowardice. These silent people don't have to necessarily come forward when the same person is proven correct.......There is no joy in been proven correct when its detrimental to the team. However the joy of football debate is that it contains such duality of opinions. As long as someone holds their hands up and admits when they are wrong and that their comments aren't malicious then that deserves more respect than someone merely contributing nothing untill they are able to point the finger imo......PS whilst Kennedy, yeates and hopefully Maclean will prove doubters wrong in time its fickle to say that those questioining were wrong after one performance......yea tes for example clearly has the ability but needs to show consistency.......[/p][/quote]I actually referred equally to minority/majority as, by nature (i.e. the 'silent' factor), there is no available evidence.[/p][/quote]sorry Michael my original response did say minority/majority, and my response applies to both positions........see i held my hands up to a mistake ;-)[/p][/quote]Whether a genuine mistake means a 'slip of the pen' or a bad call (sure I have made plenty of errors myself) there is no issue. What I regard as a 'mistake' is a decision to spout vulgar and unsubstantiated remarks from the safety of a keyboard or other such device. Subsequent apology or not, the annoyance stems from why that person saw fit to comment in the first place. I would find it easier to accept were these persons not actually fans of the club.[/p][/quote]i concur and stated that maliciousness is not an opinion deserving in my post. There is indeed no need neither to resort to swearing. swearing in conversation happens but typing it isn't necessary or is done intentionally. It shows a lack of control and even intelligence from the individual who feels it necessary to resort to name calling and cussing. Some opinions can be unsubstantiated but still have subjective value i feel. We will all have subjective opinions about different players, incidents etc....calling someone a diver for instance may be a subjective view but not necessarily supported by the rules of the game.......stats are also deceptive intentionality is key when judging whether such matters are meant to cause offense. A subjective opinion on football that is argued/debated sensibly is valid as far as i'm concerned. Its what makes these sites, radio and pub debates interesting/fun and fuels football fandom....[/p][/quote]Talking of pub debates, there is no better place to congregate than the Second West. You have access to all the insight in there. They have a screen that shows football matches on Sky Sports (and possibly BT Sport as well). By chance, I am currently located in Cambridge and spend all my spare time encouraging the Cambridge Union to head north for a meeting. Unfortunately, no-one seems too keen on the idea. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

6:04pm Wed 13 Aug 14

ever the optimist says...

dannbradfc wrote:
lawsonio123 wrote:
Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE
law of karma may apply here.......people will justify it saying goals have been allowed against us that shouldn't have been. They will also say its evens itself out over time when there is absolutely no evidence to say this is true......
I think it does even itself out, Coventry scored from a corner that shouldn't have been given. How many games did we draw or lose last season when Hanson had legitimate penalty shouts turned down? We will lose games throughout this season somewhat unjustly that's just football, it gives us something to talk about and opens up debate :-)
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE[/p][/quote]law of karma may apply here.......people will justify it saying goals have been allowed against us that shouldn't have been. They will also say its evens itself out over time when there is absolutely no evidence to say this is true......[/p][/quote]I think it does even itself out, Coventry scored from a corner that shouldn't have been given. How many games did we draw or lose last season when Hanson had legitimate penalty shouts turned down? We will lose games throughout this season somewhat unjustly that's just football, it gives us something to talk about and opens up debate :-) ever the optimist
  • Score: 2

7:32pm Wed 13 Aug 14

lawsonio123 says...

dannbradfc wrote:
lawsonio123 wrote:
Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE
law of karma may apply here.......people will justify it saying goals have been allowed against us that shouldn't have been. They will also say its evens itself out over time when there is absolutely no evidence to say this is true......
Quite true but cheating no matter how many of our posters say it is OK is wrong and hould the referee have seen it a booking it would be gain i repeat let us play FAIR Take care
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: Hand ball .Are we reduced to cheating and can we condone that I would rather see us win fairly and do not go along with those who say he was in the six yard area and it does not matter how he scores FAIR PLAY PLEASE[/p][/quote]law of karma may apply here.......people will justify it saying goals have been allowed against us that shouldn't have been. They will also say its evens itself out over time when there is absolutely no evidence to say this is true......[/p][/quote]Quite true but cheating no matter how many of our posters say it is OK is wrong and hould the referee have seen it a booking it would be gain i repeat let us play FAIR Take care lawsonio123
  • Score: -3

7:44pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Baby Bantam says...

Watched all the replays I can find and I looks to me like it comes off his knee when he goes down!!!... its definitely not his right arm and his left had looks too far back to have touched it
Watched all the replays I can find and I looks to me like it comes off his knee when he goes down!!!... its definitely not his right arm and his left had looks too far back to have touched it Baby Bantam
  • Score: 4

8:17pm Wed 13 Aug 14

pokertee says...

100% hand ball ive had photo shop on it and looked at 25 stills. BUT so what it happens all the time. good on you mc clean. seems like a few on here want to write a book about it? get over it please. the only thing i watched that was not great was us singing he scored it with his hand straight away. refs dont like to be proved wrong and it may come back to bite us at some point.
100% hand ball ive had photo shop on it and looked at 25 stills. BUT so what it happens all the time. good on you mc clean. seems like a few on here want to write a book about it? get over it please. the only thing i watched that was not great was us singing he scored it with his hand straight away. refs dont like to be proved wrong and it may come back to bite us at some point. pokertee
  • Score: 1

8:43pm Wed 13 Aug 14

jamiejoe says...

Baby Bantam wrote:
Watched all the replays I can find and I looks to me like it comes off his knee when he goes down!!!... its definitely not his right arm and his left had looks too far back to have touched it
The very final touch when McLean is on the ground looks like it hits his arm and is diverted in.

So he could have smashed it home earlier and the keeper made half a decent save.

A goal is a goal when it is given by the ref. and the lino says nowt.

Happy days - extra time could have come up with a few injuries or stresses and strains at the start of the season. We want another good performance and hopefully win or draw and a result at the Bescott stadium on Saturday.
[quote][p][bold]Baby Bantam[/bold] wrote: Watched all the replays I can find and I looks to me like it comes off his knee when he goes down!!!... its definitely not his right arm and his left had looks too far back to have touched it[/p][/quote]The very final touch when McLean is on the ground looks like it hits his arm and is diverted in. So he could have smashed it home earlier and the keeper made half a decent save. A goal is a goal when it is given by the ref. and the lino says nowt. Happy days - extra time could have come up with a few injuries or stresses and strains at the start of the season. We want another good performance and hopefully win or draw and a result at the Bescott stadium on Saturday. jamiejoe
  • Score: 0

10:08pm Wed 13 Aug 14

cookie_brighton says...

round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds
round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds cookie_brighton
  • Score: 3

10:34pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Cityman23 says...

On the question of 'was it or wasn't it a handball?' The truth seems to be if it goes your way-great! If it doesn't-whine about it! Maradona has undoubtedly been the biggest bête noir for England fans over many years because of his hand of god goal that stopped England from getting to the semi finals in 1986. Okay, it was pretty blatant, but I've always felt if it had been the other way around, it would've bee shrugged off as 'one of those things' and 'that's football!' In other words, just the same way some City fans are shrugging off Aaron McLean's 'goal' last night.

Fans get angry about cheating, diving, shirt pulling, and fouling of their own side but are blinkered when it's done by players in their own side.
On the question of 'was it or wasn't it a handball?' The truth seems to be if it goes your way-great! If it doesn't-whine about it! Maradona has undoubtedly been the biggest bête noir for England fans over many years because of his hand of god goal that stopped England from getting to the semi finals in 1986. Okay, it was pretty blatant, but I've always felt if it had been the other way around, it would've bee shrugged off as 'one of those things' and 'that's football!' In other words, just the same way some City fans are shrugging off Aaron McLean's 'goal' last night. Fans get angry about cheating, diving, shirt pulling, and fouling of their own side but are blinkered when it's done by players in their own side. Cityman23
  • Score: -3

12:25am Thu 14 Aug 14

#toerag43479 says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds
Shut up!!:) Unbelievable. Glad our ball came out of the bag first. Genuinely think we could win this, if not it's only the cup, we don't give a (very rude word) cos we're super City and we're going up.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds[/p][/quote]Shut up!!:) Unbelievable. Glad our ball came out of the bag first. Genuinely think we could win this, if not it's only the cup, we don't give a (very rude word) cos we're super City and we're going up. #toerag43479
  • Score: 0

6:57am Thu 14 Aug 14

cookie_brighton says...

#toerag43479 wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote:
round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds
Shut up!!:) Unbelievable. Glad our ball came out of the bag first. Genuinely think we could win this, if not it's only the cup, we don't give a (very rude word) cos we're super City and we're going up.
what do you mean ..shut up.....I only posted that city had got leeds at home......obviously you did not watch the draw ha ha....city were GIVEN a home draw....they .....did not come out of the bag first...leeds were the only team to be drawn out of the hat...as you put it.
CTID
[quote][p][bold]#toerag43479[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds[/p][/quote]Shut up!!:) Unbelievable. Glad our ball came out of the bag first. Genuinely think we could win this, if not it's only the cup, we don't give a (very rude word) cos we're super City and we're going up.[/p][/quote]what do you mean ..shut up.....I only posted that city had got leeds at home......obviously you did not watch the draw ha ha....city were GIVEN a home draw....they .....did not come out of the bag first...leeds were the only team to be drawn out of the hat...as you put it. CTID cookie_brighton
  • Score: 1

7:54am Thu 14 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

cookie_brighton wrote:
#toerag43479 wrote:
cookie_brighton wrote: round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds
Shut up!!:) Unbelievable. Glad our ball came out of the bag first. Genuinely think we could win this, if not it's only the cup, we don't give a (very rude word) cos we're super City and we're going up.
what do you mean ..shut up.....I only posted that city had got leeds at home......obviously you did not watch the draw ha ha....city were GIVEN a home draw....they .....did not come out of the bag first...leeds were the only team to be drawn out of the hat...as you put it. CTID
It looks like he was trying to comment in a jocular way but I can't quite understand what was meant.
[quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]#toerag43479[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie_brighton[/bold] wrote: round two draw....city at home to.......Leeds[/p][/quote]Shut up!!:) Unbelievable. Glad our ball came out of the bag first. Genuinely think we could win this, if not it's only the cup, we don't give a (very rude word) cos we're super City and we're going up.[/p][/quote]what do you mean ..shut up.....I only posted that city had got leeds at home......obviously you did not watch the draw ha ha....city were GIVEN a home draw....they .....did not come out of the bag first...leeds were the only team to be drawn out of the hat...as you put it. CTID[/p][/quote]It looks like he was trying to comment in a jocular way but I can't quite understand what was meant. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

3:37pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

Out of respect to those that suffered, I don't think it is appropriate to get into an argument about whose supporters did what.

For what it is worth, it is quite possible that a few idiots shouted sick comments (that can easily echo) but I do not think it ever gave way to wholesale chanting.

Frankly, I would remind anyone to thank their lucky stars for not being killed by the blaze. Beyond that, a cup tie is there to be enjoyed but is wholly insignificant when compared to a tragedy.
Out of respect to those that suffered, I don't think it is appropriate to get into an argument about whose supporters did what. For what it is worth, it is quite possible that a few idiots shouted sick comments (that can easily echo) but I do not think it ever gave way to wholesale chanting. Frankly, I would remind anyone to thank their lucky stars for not being killed by the blaze. Beyond that, a cup tie is there to be enjoyed but is wholly insignificant when compared to a tragedy. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 0

3:40pm Thu 14 Aug 14

Michael Clayton says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Out of respect to those that suffered, I don't think it is appropriate to get into an argument about whose supporters did what. For what it is worth, it is quite possible that a few idiots shouted sick comments (that can easily echo) but I do not think it ever gave way to wholesale chanting. Frankly, I would remind anyone to thank their lucky stars for not being killed by the blaze. Beyond that, a cup tie is there to be enjoyed but is wholly insignificant when compared to a tragedy.
Sorry. I posted under the wrong headline.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: Out of respect to those that suffered, I don't think it is appropriate to get into an argument about whose supporters did what. For what it is worth, it is quite possible that a few idiots shouted sick comments (that can easily echo) but I do not think it ever gave way to wholesale chanting. Frankly, I would remind anyone to thank their lucky stars for not being killed by the blaze. Beyond that, a cup tie is there to be enjoyed but is wholly insignificant when compared to a tragedy.[/p][/quote]Sorry. I posted under the wrong headline. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 0

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