VIDEO: Fans vow to keep on backing Bradford Bulls despite defeat and relegation

DEFEATED: Fans watching as Bradford Bulls were relegated.

DEFEATED: Fans watching as Bradford Bulls were relegated.

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LOYAL fans are clinging on to hope amid their pain after Bradford Bulls suffered defeat and their first relegation in Super League history.

Despite the inevitable loss fans have vowed to keep up their support for the beleaguered club with many belting out "Bradford 'til I die" as the team trailed behind Huddersfield Giants at yesterday's game.

The final score was 52-26 to the Giants, meaning the city is out of the top flight for the first time since 1974.

Bradford are the second founder members of Super League to be relegated after London Broncos' drop into the Championship was confirmed a week ago.

Roaring fans refused to give up their chants of encouragement and devotion as they watched their team get thrashed at the John Smith's Stadium in Huddersfield - and the end result was being grasped by many as the chance of a new start for the club with the only way being up from now on.

Choruses of "Every little thing's going to be alright" was the reassuring message coming from the fans' standing by their team.

There was a glimmer of possible victory in the first half when three times the Bulls took the lead, but the second half saw them struggle and eventually lose their brave fight to stay in the top league.

The defeat is the culmination of several years of off-field problems for the Bulls, which went into administration for the second time in 18 months in January.

Bradford Council leader Councillor David Green described the loss as a disappointment.

He said: “It is clearly an issue that relates to the morale around the city, but I think that in the current climate, while we have so much positive things going on in the city, it would be a real disappointment to me, as a rugby league fan but also someone who lives in Bradford.

“I hope they will bounce straight back up.”

Former Bulls owner Omar Khan said it was a "sad, sad day for Bradford Bulls."

"I'm gutted, but not surprised. I'm gutted because I spent £1 million of my own money to ensure that we had a winning team that would stay in the Super League," he said.

Bradford South MP Gerry Sutcliffe (Lab), a former director at Bradford Bulls, said: “It is disappointing, but the good news is that there is a team there that can be relegated. It was in danger of going out of existence.

“People need to gather round and support the team now.”

He added: “I think they need to bounce back straight away.”

Bradford East MP David Ward (Lib Dem) said yesterday's defeat was "a tragedy and a shame" and added: "My heart bleeds for the incredible passion of the fans who have stuck with them through thick and thin and I'm sure will keep on doing so."

And he said he believed the way forward for the club was for it to ground share with Bradford City at Valley Parade.

"It's not popular but it's the way forward in terms of economics for the game and funding," he added.

Next season will see a major restructure of the domestic game whereby the Bulls would need to overcome Super League opposition in an end-of-season play-off series in order to win promotion back to the top flight.

A spokesman for supporters trust BullBuilder, which aims is to support the Bulls and in particular the young players at the club, said: "While next season’s structure offers a pathway back to Super League, differences in salary cap between the competing sides will mean that it won’t be possible to buy your way back.

"With the relative cost of young players coupled with salary cap exemptions, the Academy represents our strongest hope of getting the first team back where we want to see it.

"We urge everyone to get behind the effort to return to super league, and to get behind BullBuilder."

Fans were also showing their support for the new management behind the Bulls, Brian Barton, 65, from Odsal who saw his first Bulls match back in 1964 said: "My heart has been broken but at least the club is still surviving. I'm glad Marc Green has taken over."

Paul Jackson, 49, from Leeds added: "Out with the old and in with the new. The only way is up."

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7:10am Mon 21 Jul 14

theoutsider says...

In a word Bullocks.!
Greenie; forget the words of consolation and get on t'Carntcil Solicitors to issue a writ for the unpaid 250k loan you kindly propped the club up with on behalf of every Bradford Council tax payer.
Outrageous that Khan and Sutcliffe are considered relevant commentators on this subject having taken the club to the brink on their watch.
On behalf of all Speedway and Stocks supporters in the district before the Dulls do clear off from Odsal we want that perimeter fence restoring !
If your planning to up sticks to VP i! I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to be rolled out. Well dont expect too many favours from the football club.
Oh yes and reminder to 'Chuff Hall' don't forgot to get up t,Queensbury you need to remove that embarrassing Gateway t'Bratfud Home of Bradford Dulls Rugby World Champions.
In a word Bullocks.! Greenie; forget the words of consolation and get on t'Carntcil Solicitors to issue a writ for the unpaid 250k loan you kindly propped the club up with on behalf of every Bradford Council tax payer. Outrageous that Khan and Sutcliffe are considered relevant commentators on this subject having taken the club to the brink on their watch. On behalf of all Speedway and Stocks supporters in the district before the Dulls do clear off from Odsal we want that perimeter fence restoring ! If your planning to up sticks to VP i! I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to be rolled out. Well dont expect too many favours from the football club. Oh yes and reminder to 'Chuff Hall' don't forgot to get up t,Queensbury you need to remove that embarrassing Gateway t'Bratfud Home of Bradford Dulls Rugby World Champions. theoutsider
  • Score: -33

7:30am Mon 21 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position?
Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 12

7:31am Mon 21 Jul 14

tyker2 says...

VP will not want a club who cannot afford to pay a decent rent.

Leave Odsal and get along to Horsfall!
VP will not want a club who cannot afford to pay a decent rent. Leave Odsal and get along to Horsfall! tyker2
  • Score: 6

7:34am Mon 21 Jul 14

tinytoonster says...

thought they were too good for valley parade?
gypo green talking rubbish again, positive things going on?
nowt to do with him if it is!
pinching wages!!
thought they were too good for valley parade? gypo green talking rubbish again, positive things going on? nowt to do with him if it is! pinching wages!! tinytoonster
  • Score: 0

7:47am Mon 21 Jul 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position?
Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Could also ask why do they allow you to comment on here? Its got nothing at all to do with you.
Thought you already knew how they got into this situation so what difference would it make to you what anybody else said?
6000 loyal fans is 6000 loyal fans What's your issue now?

Also Outsider what's the problem with the boundary sign. Just cos we've been relegated doesn't mean we weren't world champions. We use the term "Home of the Bronte sisters" when promoting Haworth. Do you actually think they still live there? or that non book reader will be offended?
They could put a sign outside you house saying "Village idiot lives here"
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.[/p][/quote]Could also ask why do they allow you to comment on here? Its got nothing at all to do with you. Thought you already knew how they got into this situation so what difference would it make to you what anybody else said? 6000 loyal fans is 6000 loyal fans What's your issue now? Also Outsider what's the problem with the boundary sign. Just cos we've been relegated doesn't mean we weren't world champions. We use the term "Home of the Bronte sisters" when promoting Haworth. Do you actually think they still live there? or that non book reader will be offended? They could put a sign outside you house saying "Village idiot lives here" bradfordbronco
  • Score: 37

7:53am Mon 21 Jul 14

Bone_idle18 says...

theoutsider wrote:
In a word Bullocks.!
Greenie; forget the words of consolation and get on t'Carntcil Solicitors to issue a writ for the unpaid 250k loan you kindly propped the club up with on behalf of every Bradford Council tax payer.
Outrageous that Khan and Sutcliffe are considered relevant commentators on this subject having taken the club to the brink on their watch.
On behalf of all Speedway and Stocks supporters in the district before the Dulls do clear off from Odsal we want that perimeter fence restoring !
If your planning to up sticks to VP i! I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to be rolled out. Well dont expect too many favours from the football club.
Oh yes and reminder to 'Chuff Hall' don't forgot to get up t,Queensbury you need to remove that embarrassing Gateway t'Bratfud Home of Bradford Dulls Rugby World Champions.
T'village idiot.
[quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: In a word Bullocks.! Greenie; forget the words of consolation and get on t'Carntcil Solicitors to issue a writ for the unpaid 250k loan you kindly propped the club up with on behalf of every Bradford Council tax payer. Outrageous that Khan and Sutcliffe are considered relevant commentators on this subject having taken the club to the brink on their watch. On behalf of all Speedway and Stocks supporters in the district before the Dulls do clear off from Odsal we want that perimeter fence restoring ! If your planning to up sticks to VP i! I wondered how long it would take for that old chestnut to be rolled out. Well dont expect too many favours from the football club. Oh yes and reminder to 'Chuff Hall' don't forgot to get up t,Queensbury you need to remove that embarrassing Gateway t'Bratfud Home of Bradford Dulls Rugby World Champions.[/p][/quote]T'village idiot. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 13

7:56am Mon 21 Jul 14

Scrouge says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position?
Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Agree, pathetic journalism. Who with any sense would even speak to these Creatures??? Why have they never been asked where the money went? The Club has been run by Clowns and has got what it deserved. LIQUIDATION IN THE OFFSEASON?? The circus is not over yet folks.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.[/p][/quote]Agree, pathetic journalism. Who with any sense would even speak to these Creatures??? Why have they never been asked where the money went? The Club has been run by Clowns and has got what it deserved. LIQUIDATION IN THE OFFSEASON?? The circus is not over yet folks. Scrouge
  • Score: -3

8:12am Mon 21 Jul 14

axelf1963 says...

The club has rhinos from top to bottom what do you expect. How much is that parachute payment again ?
Take your money and run greeny it will only get worse.
The club has rhinos from top to bottom what do you expect. How much is that parachute payment again ? Take your money and run greeny it will only get worse. axelf1963
  • Score: -10

8:14am Mon 21 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

I'm not trying to wind anyone up by saying this but I honestly think getting relegated is a good thing. You've now hit rock bottom so the only was is up now.
This gives you chance to offload a lot of the dross you have acquired as you simply can't afford them. Also Bulls seem to have forgotten how to win and have developed a loser mentality. They've lost before a ball is kicked and this is felt by the fans. A year in the championship where you'll be winning every week and playing well is just what everyone involved with the club needs.
When you get promoted next year hopefully you will carry the momentum and positivity forward and look at a play off finish or just SL safety.
I'm not trying to wind anyone up by saying this but I honestly think getting relegated is a good thing. You've now hit rock bottom so the only was is up now. This gives you chance to offload a lot of the dross you have acquired as you simply can't afford them. Also Bulls seem to have forgotten how to win and have developed a loser mentality. They've lost before a ball is kicked and this is felt by the fans. A year in the championship where you'll be winning every week and playing well is just what everyone involved with the club needs. When you get promoted next year hopefully you will carry the momentum and positivity forward and look at a play off finish or just SL safety. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 29

8:20am Mon 21 Jul 14

JAtkinson says...

I'll be at the Bulls next season, cheering them on just like I did this season, just like I did last season, just like I did during mid-table mediocrity and just like the times we ruled the world.

Come on you Bulls!
I'll be at the Bulls next season, cheering them on just like I did this season, just like I did last season, just like I did during mid-table mediocrity and just like the times we ruled the world. Come on you Bulls! JAtkinson
  • Score: 34

8:27am Mon 21 Jul 14

bullybullman says...

Real supporters !
Real supporters ! bullybullman
  • Score: 10

8:32am Mon 21 Jul 14

blue marlin says...

come on T and A instead of asking OK and sutciliffe for quotes re the bulls postion what about asking them rank bad managment which went a long way to putting us where we are now.
come on T and A instead of asking OK and sutciliffe for quotes re the bulls postion what about asking them rank bad managment which went a long way to putting us where we are now. blue marlin
  • Score: 11

8:58am Mon 21 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Could also ask why do they allow you to comment on here? Its got nothing at all to do with you. Thought you already knew how they got into this situation so what difference would it make to you what anybody else said? 6000 loyal fans is 6000 loyal fans What's your issue now? Also Outsider what's the problem with the boundary sign. Just cos we've been relegated doesn't mean we weren't world champions. We use the term "Home of the Bronte sisters" when promoting Haworth. Do you actually think they still live there? or that non book reader will be offended? They could put a sign outside you house saying "Village idiot lives here"
We know you prefer the licencing system. The one the Bulls defaulted on twice in the last two years by going into administration. Whats the say the Bulls wouldn't have been kicked out anyway. leigh at the moment are far more deserving of a super league place.

Don't you get at Huddersfield for barely getting 6k fans, now when the Bulls are in the same boat that figure is suddenly impressive.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.[/p][/quote]Could also ask why do they allow you to comment on here? Its got nothing at all to do with you. Thought you already knew how they got into this situation so what difference would it make to you what anybody else said? 6000 loyal fans is 6000 loyal fans What's your issue now? Also Outsider what's the problem with the boundary sign. Just cos we've been relegated doesn't mean we weren't world champions. We use the term "Home of the Bronte sisters" when promoting Haworth. Do you actually think they still live there? or that non book reader will be offended? They could put a sign outside you house saying "Village idiot lives here"[/p][/quote]We know you prefer the licencing system. The one the Bulls defaulted on twice in the last two years by going into administration. Whats the say the Bulls wouldn't have been kicked out anyway. leigh at the moment are far more deserving of a super league place. Don't you get at Huddersfield for barely getting 6k fans, now when the Bulls are in the same boat that figure is suddenly impressive. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -8

9:06am Mon 21 Jul 14

alive and awake says...

What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture.
Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had?
It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.
What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture. Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had? It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion. alive and awake
  • Score: -5

9:30am Mon 21 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

alive and awake wrote:
What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture.
Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had?
It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.
Not this again. The RL have not 'put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business'. The various numpties who have ran the club at different times have done that. Poor performances on the pitch have done that.
'Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them?'

This must have been, if it ever happend, many years ago. They can only manage 6k at home at the moment so yes the SL can afford to lose them. Talk about delusions of grandeur and a sense of entitlement.

'How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted?'

By winning matches and topping the Championship. Simple really.

'Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had? It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion'

Another wild conspiracy theory. Koukash pulled out because she/he didn't want to take on the debt and couldn't satisfy the creditors. But no, you carry on with the 'worlds against the Bulls' mentality.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture. Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had? It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.[/p][/quote]Not this again. The RL have not 'put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business'. The various numpties who have ran the club at different times have done that. Poor performances on the pitch have done that. 'Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them?' This must have been, if it ever happend, many years ago. They can only manage 6k at home at the moment so yes the SL can afford to lose them. Talk about delusions of grandeur and a sense of entitlement. 'How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted?' By winning matches and topping the Championship. Simple really. 'Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had? It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion' Another wild conspiracy theory. Koukash pulled out because she/he didn't want to take on the debt and couldn't satisfy the creditors. But no, you carry on with the 'worlds against the Bulls' mentality. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 14

9:42am Mon 21 Jul 14

Mumby was the best says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Could also ask why do they allow you to comment on here? Its got nothing at all to do with you. Thought you already knew how they got into this situation so what difference would it make to you what anybody else said? 6000 loyal fans is 6000 loyal fans What's your issue now? Also Outsider what's the problem with the boundary sign. Just cos we've been relegated doesn't mean we weren't world champions. We use the term "Home of the Bronte sisters" when promoting Haworth. Do you actually think they still live there? or that non book reader will be offended? They could put a sign outside you house saying "Village idiot lives here"
We know you prefer the licencing system. The one the Bulls defaulted on twice in the last two years by going into administration. Whats the say the Bulls wouldn't have been kicked out anyway. leigh at the moment are far more deserving of a super league place.

Don't you get at Huddersfield for barely getting 6k fans, now when the Bulls are in the same boat that figure is suddenly impressive.
The point of Huddersfields crowds which you drag into the argument (even tho the poster did not ) for some reason is that when the Bulls were as succesful as the Giants are now the crowds were at least double that 6000 so in reality for a team that is plumbing the depths that is a good crowd surely.
PS Hows the Cougars doing?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.[/p][/quote]Could also ask why do they allow you to comment on here? Its got nothing at all to do with you. Thought you already knew how they got into this situation so what difference would it make to you what anybody else said? 6000 loyal fans is 6000 loyal fans What's your issue now? Also Outsider what's the problem with the boundary sign. Just cos we've been relegated doesn't mean we weren't world champions. We use the term "Home of the Bronte sisters" when promoting Haworth. Do you actually think they still live there? or that non book reader will be offended? They could put a sign outside you house saying "Village idiot lives here"[/p][/quote]We know you prefer the licencing system. The one the Bulls defaulted on twice in the last two years by going into administration. Whats the say the Bulls wouldn't have been kicked out anyway. leigh at the moment are far more deserving of a super league place. Don't you get at Huddersfield for barely getting 6k fans, now when the Bulls are in the same boat that figure is suddenly impressive.[/p][/quote]The point of Huddersfields crowds which you drag into the argument (even tho the poster did not ) for some reason is that when the Bulls were as succesful as the Giants are now the crowds were at least double that 6000 so in reality for a team that is plumbing the depths that is a good crowd surely. PS Hows the Cougars doing? Mumby was the best
  • Score: 3

9:44am Mon 21 Jul 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

A sad day that could have been avoided if Green had actually done something with this Club; there has been no investment in the team or ground.

The man talked talked a good game but has not delivered; we have not even paid off any of the creditors any of which could still serve a wind up order on the club and force us into admin again.

we need to build now for next season and I for one are not going to hold my breath, we are a mid table championship club at this rate.
A sad day that could have been avoided if Green had actually done something with this Club; there has been no investment in the team or ground. The man talked talked a good game but has not delivered; we have not even paid off any of the creditors any of which could still serve a wind up order on the club and force us into admin again. we need to build now for next season and I for one are not going to hold my breath, we are a mid table championship club at this rate. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: -3

9:50am Mon 21 Jul 14

BierleyBoy says...

At least the waiting is over & fans & players know where the club will be next season.

David Green is a corrupt buffoon, showing no contrition for the abuse of public money he allowed.

Khan didn't leave money in the club to see it through as claimed & he didn't invest £1m. Sutcliffe didn't put in a penny of his own money, so what right has he to comment?

The whole Labour group in Bradford needs to be held to account.

The Bulls will come back. Salford & Castleford both managed to bounce right back by staying full time.

This is the time where Marc Green's intentions will be revealed. Is he going to stick around or prepare an exit?
At least the waiting is over & fans & players know where the club will be next season. David Green is a corrupt buffoon, showing no contrition for the abuse of public money he allowed. Khan didn't leave money in the club to see it through as claimed & he didn't invest £1m. Sutcliffe didn't put in a penny of his own money, so what right has he to comment? The whole Labour group in Bradford needs to be held to account. The Bulls will come back. Salford & Castleford both managed to bounce right back by staying full time. This is the time where Marc Green's intentions will be revealed. Is he going to stick around or prepare an exit? BierleyBoy
  • Score: 7

10:16am Mon 21 Jul 14

Shipley Paul says...

I'll be there next year as I have every year since '64, when we last rose from the ashes! I go because I love rugby league, live in Bradford and they are my team. No matter who they play I will still want them to win. Simple as that. Ignore the idiots on this forum if you are a Bulls fan, and stay loyal to the club. Sport is a cyclical thing and our time will return.
I'll be there next year as I have every year since '64, when we last rose from the ashes! I go because I love rugby league, live in Bradford and they are my team. No matter who they play I will still want them to win. Simple as that. Ignore the idiots on this forum if you are a Bulls fan, and stay loyal to the club. Sport is a cyclical thing and our time will return. Shipley Paul
  • Score: 22

10:36am Mon 21 Jul 14

Letshavealook says...

It is incredible that the T&A should look for quotes from Omar Kon and Sutcliffe MP. This is the first time in a long time that Sutcliffe has had anything to say about the Bulls. Ask yourself why he went so quiet so quickly after the Bulls demise? Probably because he was involved in a clumsy ruse to raise his profile locally. If he was truly honest and full of integrity he would fully disclose his involvement, including his financial stake. As for Omar Kon, we are still waiting for him to make his full public statement and take the court action against those he alleges wronged him he promised. Why doesn't the T&A pursue on those matters?
These are not the only two culprits in the demise of the Bulls.
Consider others as partly responsible.
Caisley
Hood
Bankrupts connected with OK
Macnanobody
An incompetent council led by Green
Only time will tell about the true intentions of the owner Mr Green, but if he does stay aboard, I wish him and Jimmy the very best.
It is incredible that the T&A should look for quotes from Omar Kon and Sutcliffe MP. This is the first time in a long time that Sutcliffe has had anything to say about the Bulls. Ask yourself why he went so quiet so quickly after the Bulls demise? Probably because he was involved in a clumsy ruse to raise his profile locally. If he was truly honest and full of integrity he would fully disclose his involvement, including his financial stake. As for Omar Kon, we are still waiting for him to make his full public statement and take the court action against those he alleges wronged him he promised. Why doesn't the T&A pursue on those matters? These are not the only two culprits in the demise of the Bulls. Consider others as partly responsible. Caisley Hood Bankrupts connected with OK Macnanobody An incompetent council led by Green Only time will tell about the true intentions of the owner Mr Green, but if he does stay aboard, I wish him and Jimmy the very best. Letshavealook
  • Score: 11

11:06am Mon 21 Jul 14

axelf1963 says...

12k to away games ? What planet you on ?
Last time that happened and has ever happened was Wembley and grand finals and that will never happen again.
12k to away games ? What planet you on ? Last time that happened and has ever happened was Wembley and grand finals and that will never happen again. axelf1963
  • Score: 6

11:10am Mon 21 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

The parallels with City are obvious..reckless spending eventually catching up with you. Like us it may be a long long way back. Northern to Bulls you sold your soul to the Devil....make a return to a proper name and your heritage be the start of a the new. Good luck you are going to need it CTID
The parallels with City are obvious..reckless spending eventually catching up with you. Like us it may be a long long way back. Northern to Bulls you sold your soul to the Devil....make a return to a proper name and your heritage be the start of a the new. Good luck you are going to need it CTID whisky1
  • Score: 2

11:40am Mon 21 Jul 14

bd7 helper says...

We all know who it's down too. Khan & Sutcliffe
We all know who it's down too. Khan & Sutcliffe bd7 helper
  • Score: 7

11:40am Mon 21 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 5

11:41am Mon 21 Jul 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

alive and awake wrote:
What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture.
Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had?
It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.
You should try and live up to your name and wake up, get a pulse and stop tripping along with the others.

The RFL didn't put the Bulls down, garbage managements did. The points deduction is part of the rules and the clubs know this. Since the relegation came back, two clubs had to go and l very much doubt Red Hall were conspiring to get rid of the Bulls.

Then above it is me tioned the council didn't do enough. Well l think the council have done far too much in aiding the Bulls.

And the Bulls are not unique world champions, they are one of many.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture. Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had? It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.[/p][/quote]You should try and live up to your name and wake up, get a pulse and stop tripping along with the others. The RFL didn't put the Bulls down, garbage managements did. The points deduction is part of the rules and the clubs know this. Since the relegation came back, two clubs had to go and l very much doubt Red Hall were conspiring to get rid of the Bulls. Then above it is me tioned the council didn't do enough. Well l think the council have done far too much in aiding the Bulls. And the Bulls are not unique world champions, they are one of many. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 8

12:04pm Mon 21 Jul 14

bully4us says...

People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here!
Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid.
It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance.

I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations.

If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up.

It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.
People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months. bully4us
  • Score: 7

12:24pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Mumby was the best says...

bully4us wrote:
People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here!
Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid.
It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance.

I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations.

If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up.

It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.
Like you I`m sure Green just wanted to get the season over without putting the club deeper in the s**t by spending money we did not have. Next year he will have money to manage from central funding and like you I hope he is the business man this club has needed at the helm who will not spend more than the club can afford on unrealistic forecasts of income. We deserved to go down and maybe its a chance to strip the dead wood out and start a fresh with realistic goals. Like you say ignore the trolls they contribute nothing.
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.[/p][/quote]Like you I`m sure Green just wanted to get the season over without putting the club deeper in the s**t by spending money we did not have. Next year he will have money to manage from central funding and like you I hope he is the business man this club has needed at the helm who will not spend more than the club can afford on unrealistic forecasts of income. We deserved to go down and maybe its a chance to strip the dead wood out and start a fresh with realistic goals. Like you say ignore the trolls they contribute nothing. Mumby was the best
  • Score: 5

12:28pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Parz says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
Vs Leeds, May last year (presuming you mean only home games).
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]Vs Leeds, May last year (presuming you mean only home games). Parz
  • Score: 3

12:32pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Parz says...

Im looking forward to next year. We've been on a steady decline for a long time, obviously coming to a head over the last couple of years. All the years of poor financial management under previous regimes has left us in a position where we are no long able to compete in SL. A stint in the Championship (or whatever they call it as of next year) will do us good. The loyal like myself with remain, and others will come back as we become competative again, whether thats in SL or the Championship.
Im looking forward to next year. We've been on a steady decline for a long time, obviously coming to a head over the last couple of years. All the years of poor financial management under previous regimes has left us in a position where we are no long able to compete in SL. A stint in the Championship (or whatever they call it as of next year) will do us good. The loyal like myself with remain, and others will come back as we become competative again, whether thats in SL or the Championship. Parz
  • Score: 6

12:33pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Parz wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
Vs Leeds, May last year (presuming you mean only home games).
12,016 you are right. So presuming didn't bring more than 16 fans that night, the claim for 12k for away games by some might hold weight.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]Vs Leeds, May last year (presuming you mean only home games).[/p][/quote]12,016 you are right. So presuming didn't bring more than 16 fans that night, the claim for 12k for away games by some might hold weight. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

12:46pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

TTFN Dulls, it's been a reet laugh.
TTFN Dulls, it's been a reet laugh. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -8

12:52pm Mon 21 Jul 14

blue marlin says...

bully4us wrote:
People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.
First rate post, but i dont think people on here blame Mr Green for loaning the money to OK but i do feel he only put the club into admin to try ensure he got some of if not all his money back,also i do question whya lub that is effetivly in te championship need an MD CEO etc etc,
Moving on we are down so lets take that in our stride and aim for a qiuck return to SL,
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.[/p][/quote]First rate post, but i dont think people on here blame Mr Green for loaning the money to OK but i do feel he only put the club into admin to try ensure he got some of if not all his money back,also i do question whya lub that is effetivly in te championship need an MD CEO etc etc, Moving on we are down so lets take that in our stride and aim for a qiuck return to SL, blue marlin
  • Score: 3

1:20pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Parz says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Parz wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
Vs Leeds, May last year (presuming you mean only home games).
12,016 you are right. So presuming didn't bring more than 16 fans that night, the claim for 12k for away games by some might hold weight.
Back in our day I'd imagine the 12k wouldn't be far off the mark, at least for you bigger games (Wigan, Saints and towards the back end of our prime, Leeds) but we're a long way off that now. At least they're planning sensibly this time round though. Not the whole Pie in the Sky 10k season ticket stuff. Plan sensibly, run it properly and we'll claw our way back one way or another, even if it does take time.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]Vs Leeds, May last year (presuming you mean only home games).[/p][/quote]12,016 you are right. So presuming didn't bring more than 16 fans that night, the claim for 12k for away games by some might hold weight.[/p][/quote]Back in our day I'd imagine the 12k wouldn't be far off the mark, at least for you bigger games (Wigan, Saints and towards the back end of our prime, Leeds) but we're a long way off that now. At least they're planning sensibly this time round though. Not the whole Pie in the Sky 10k season ticket stuff. Plan sensibly, run it properly and we'll claw our way back one way or another, even if it does take time. Parz
  • Score: -2

1:36pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Sense99 says...

Mumby was the best wrote:
bully4us wrote:
People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here!
Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid.
It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance.

I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations.

If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up.

It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.
Like you I`m sure Green just wanted to get the season over without putting the club deeper in the s**t by spending money we did not have. Next year he will have money to manage from central funding and like you I hope he is the business man this club has needed at the helm who will not spend more than the club can afford on unrealistic forecasts of income. We deserved to go down and maybe its a chance to strip the dead wood out and start a fresh with realistic goals. Like you say ignore the trolls they contribute nothing.
So why did Green lie to the fans, and say he would do all he could to ensure the club stayed in SL ? If he had put in his best efforts then surely he would have invested money in new players. Other than buy the club, he hasn't invested any money in the club at all, even before he knew we were relegated let alone after he knew.

Don't tell me there are not any players out there, as other clubs have signed them. He would also have brought a new coach in straight away.
But no he has done nothing. All he has done is buy the club on the cheap. And as for players not wanting to play for the club (Kaufusi) that is down to their lack of belief in the coach.

I assume you "anti-trolls" will say that this was his game plan all along, get relegated and then rebuild the club, This makes no sense what-so-ever, any sensible businessman wold protect his investment not destroy it. He knew what he was buying, and he knew he needed to throw money at it, if he didn't want to do this why did he buy the club and promise the fans he would do all he could to keep the Bulls in SL.

I think the Bulls will struggle in the championship, which will prove his gamble was a very bad one. Looking at the process of relegation and promotion, we have absolutely zero chance of promotion. So it shows how little he looked at the rules before he decided not to invest a penny.

After 2 years in the championship Green will be off, and we will be looking for new owners again.
[quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.[/p][/quote]Like you I`m sure Green just wanted to get the season over without putting the club deeper in the s**t by spending money we did not have. Next year he will have money to manage from central funding and like you I hope he is the business man this club has needed at the helm who will not spend more than the club can afford on unrealistic forecasts of income. We deserved to go down and maybe its a chance to strip the dead wood out and start a fresh with realistic goals. Like you say ignore the trolls they contribute nothing.[/p][/quote]So why did Green lie to the fans, and say he would do all he could to ensure the club stayed in SL ? If he had put in his best efforts then surely he would have invested money in new players. Other than buy the club, he hasn't invested any money in the club at all, even before he knew we were relegated let alone after he knew. Don't tell me there are not any players out there, as other clubs have signed them. He would also have brought a new coach in straight away. But no he has done nothing. All he has done is buy the club on the cheap. And as for players not wanting to play for the club (Kaufusi) that is down to their lack of belief in the coach. I assume you "anti-trolls" will say that this was his game plan all along, get relegated and then rebuild the club, This makes no sense what-so-ever, any sensible businessman wold protect his investment not destroy it. He knew what he was buying, and he knew he needed to throw money at it, if he didn't want to do this why did he buy the club and promise the fans he would do all he could to keep the Bulls in SL. I think the Bulls will struggle in the championship, which will prove his gamble was a very bad one. Looking at the process of relegation and promotion, we have absolutely zero chance of promotion. So it shows how little he looked at the rules before he decided not to invest a penny. After 2 years in the championship Green will be off, and we will be looking for new owners again. Sense99
  • Score: -2

1:40pm Mon 21 Jul 14

hypjack says...

Relegation was always on the cards after the 6 point deduction and the loss of Jarrod Sammut, Nick Scruton & Gareth Carvell early in the season. In addition to this, the Bulls have had finacial problems due to mismanagement & only the half of the funding the other clubs received so no wonder we are where we are. I just wonder whether other clubs in the future will be punished the same as the Bulls by the RFL if they encounter financial difficulties or they change the rules! The Bulls will not easily forget the negativity from the RFL, other clubs & the knockers to rise from the ashes in the future, which indeed they will. Until that time, i too will be following the Bulls religiously wherever or whoever they are playing. Jimmy has made a solid impression on his return to Odsal so i am looking forward to seeing HIS team next year so the Buzz at odsal will slowly return. Come On you Bulls !!!!!
Relegation was always on the cards after the 6 point deduction and the loss of Jarrod Sammut, Nick Scruton & Gareth Carvell early in the season. In addition to this, the Bulls have had finacial problems due to mismanagement & only the half of the funding the other clubs received so no wonder we are where we are. I just wonder whether other clubs in the future will be punished the same as the Bulls by the RFL if they encounter financial difficulties or they change the rules! The Bulls will not easily forget the negativity from the RFL, other clubs & the knockers to rise from the ashes in the future, which indeed they will. Until that time, i too will be following the Bulls religiously wherever or whoever they are playing. Jimmy has made a solid impression on his return to Odsal so i am looking forward to seeing HIS team next year so the Buzz at odsal will slowly return. Come On you Bulls !!!!! hypjack
  • Score: 5

1:40pm Mon 21 Jul 14

BirchLane-1964 says...

bd7 helper wrote:
We all know who it's down too. Khan & Sutcliffe
Not correct! They were a big part of the problem taking on the club without really having a clue how to run a rugby league club within its budgets. The real blame as we all know lies at the door of Hood, who was so seriously incompetent he tried to brush the debts under the carpet and hoped they'd all go away. I would be fuming if he was quoted in the T&A as well
[quote][p][bold]bd7 helper[/bold] wrote: We all know who it's down too. Khan & Sutcliffe[/p][/quote]Not correct! They were a big part of the problem taking on the club without really having a clue how to run a rugby league club within its budgets. The real blame as we all know lies at the door of Hood, who was so seriously incompetent he tried to brush the debts under the carpet and hoped they'd all go away. I would be fuming if he was quoted in the T&A as well BirchLane-1964
  • Score: 5

1:50pm Mon 21 Jul 14

northern pig says...

I would like to see a two part season ticket for next season.Part one for the bread and butter stuff,then part two for the playoffs,which hopefully the Bulls will be part of.With a decent discount for purchasing part 1 and part2 together before the start of the season. Your thoughts on the subject please.
I would like to see a two part season ticket for next season.Part one for the bread and butter stuff,then part two for the playoffs,which hopefully the Bulls will be part of.With a decent discount for purchasing part 1 and part2 together before the start of the season. Your thoughts on the subject please. northern pig
  • Score: -10

2:07pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Parz says...

Sense99 wrote:
Mumby was the best wrote:
bully4us wrote: People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.
Like you I`m sure Green just wanted to get the season over without putting the club deeper in the s**t by spending money we did not have. Next year he will have money to manage from central funding and like you I hope he is the business man this club has needed at the helm who will not spend more than the club can afford on unrealistic forecasts of income. We deserved to go down and maybe its a chance to strip the dead wood out and start a fresh with realistic goals. Like you say ignore the trolls they contribute nothing.
So why did Green lie to the fans, and say he would do all he could to ensure the club stayed in SL ? If he had put in his best efforts then surely he would have invested money in new players. Other than buy the club, he hasn't invested any money in the club at all, even before he knew we were relegated let alone after he knew. Don't tell me there are not any players out there, as other clubs have signed them. He would also have brought a new coach in straight away. But no he has done nothing. All he has done is buy the club on the cheap. And as for players not wanting to play for the club (Kaufusi) that is down to their lack of belief in the coach. I assume you "anti-trolls" will say that this was his game plan all along, get relegated and then rebuild the club, This makes no sense what-so-ever, any sensible businessman wold protect his investment not destroy it. He knew what he was buying, and he knew he needed to throw money at it, if he didn't want to do this why did he buy the club and promise the fans he would do all he could to keep the Bulls in SL. I think the Bulls will struggle in the championship, which will prove his gamble was a very bad one. Looking at the process of relegation and promotion, we have absolutely zero chance of promotion. So it shows how little he looked at the rules before he decided not to invest a penny. After 2 years in the championship Green will be off, and we will be looking for new owners again.
Because throwing money at a club ensure success doesn't it? Tell me more about why Cas and Salford are currently in thier respective positions.

He's invested no money at all. Hmm, can someone point me in the direction of whoever did up the new club shop for free? I wouldn't mind them doing some work for me either. Admittedly this doesn't help us on the pitch, but is does show that "He's invested nothing" is complete rubbish. (I'll wait for the "well that's going to solve everything isn't it?!" style comebacks.)

Other clubs have signed players. Well yeah, other clubs that weren't staring relegation in the face. London have signed a few, but they're no better than anyone that we've got or re-signed. And as you even pointed out yourself, there were potentially perfect good other easons players didn't want to play for us (apart from the fact we've been getting panned almost every week. That sounds great fun.)

The running costs to be competative in the Championship aren't as high as they are in SL. We don't have to be competing against the likes of the Sinfields, Ashton Simms etc. IF the funds required to be competative in the Championship are more within our capabilities, then it makes perfect sense. Time will tell.

Glad you can predict the future though, fancy giving me tomorrows Euromillions numbers? Ta.
[quote][p][bold]Sense99[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mumby was the best[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.[/p][/quote]Like you I`m sure Green just wanted to get the season over without putting the club deeper in the s**t by spending money we did not have. Next year he will have money to manage from central funding and like you I hope he is the business man this club has needed at the helm who will not spend more than the club can afford on unrealistic forecasts of income. We deserved to go down and maybe its a chance to strip the dead wood out and start a fresh with realistic goals. Like you say ignore the trolls they contribute nothing.[/p][/quote]So why did Green lie to the fans, and say he would do all he could to ensure the club stayed in SL ? If he had put in his best efforts then surely he would have invested money in new players. Other than buy the club, he hasn't invested any money in the club at all, even before he knew we were relegated let alone after he knew. Don't tell me there are not any players out there, as other clubs have signed them. He would also have brought a new coach in straight away. But no he has done nothing. All he has done is buy the club on the cheap. And as for players not wanting to play for the club (Kaufusi) that is down to their lack of belief in the coach. I assume you "anti-trolls" will say that this was his game plan all along, get relegated and then rebuild the club, This makes no sense what-so-ever, any sensible businessman wold protect his investment not destroy it. He knew what he was buying, and he knew he needed to throw money at it, if he didn't want to do this why did he buy the club and promise the fans he would do all he could to keep the Bulls in SL. I think the Bulls will struggle in the championship, which will prove his gamble was a very bad one. Looking at the process of relegation and promotion, we have absolutely zero chance of promotion. So it shows how little he looked at the rules before he decided not to invest a penny. After 2 years in the championship Green will be off, and we will be looking for new owners again.[/p][/quote]Because throwing money at a club ensure success doesn't it? Tell me more about why Cas and Salford are currently in thier respective positions. He's invested no money at all. Hmm, can someone point me in the direction of whoever did up the new club shop for free? I wouldn't mind them doing some work for me either. Admittedly this doesn't help us on the pitch, but is does show that "He's invested nothing" is complete rubbish. (I'll wait for the "well that's going to solve everything isn't it?!" style comebacks.) Other clubs have signed players. Well yeah, other clubs that weren't staring relegation in the face. London have signed a few, but they're no better than anyone that we've got or re-signed. And as you even pointed out yourself, there were potentially perfect good other easons players didn't want to play for us (apart from the fact we've been getting panned almost every week. That sounds great fun.) The running costs to be competative in the Championship aren't as high as they are in SL. We don't have to be competing against the likes of the Sinfields, Ashton Simms etc. IF the funds required to be competative in the Championship are more within our capabilities, then it makes perfect sense. Time will tell. Glad you can predict the future though, fancy giving me tomorrows Euromillions numbers? Ta. Parz
  • Score: -2

3:13pm Mon 21 Jul 14

vikksy says...

So....here they come from under their rocks.
So....here they come from under their rocks. vikksy
  • Score: -4

3:18pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Paul from Idle says...

I think what the guy was trying to say is that it would have cost less to stay in Super League than try to get back into a closed shop.
Promotion has been designed so it is not going to happen end of.
Time will tell any way so lets wait and see what happens...........
I think what the guy was trying to say is that it would have cost less to stay in Super League than try to get back into a closed shop. Promotion has been designed so it is not going to happen end of. Time will tell any way so lets wait and see what happens........... Paul from Idle
  • Score: 4

4:21pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Bone_idle18 says...

It won't be impossible to get back up, look at how Leigh played against Leeds in the cup, the top teams in the championship can compete.

However, the odds are well and truly stacked against them.

However, if we have a great run of wins in the championship, we'll be full of confidence and feel positive, and we'll be playing teams in SL who are probably in a rut, low on confidence and expecting to lose. So there is an outside chance.

Still think top up/bottom down and then a 6 way play-off for the final place would be better though.
It won't be impossible to get back up, look at how Leigh played against Leeds in the cup, the top teams in the championship can compete. However, the odds are well and truly stacked against them. However, if we have a great run of wins in the championship, we'll be full of confidence and feel positive, and we'll be playing teams in SL who are probably in a rut, low on confidence and expecting to lose. So there is an outside chance. Still think top up/bottom down and then a 6 way play-off for the final place would be better though. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 2

4:24pm Mon 21 Jul 14

tinytoonster says...

bully4us wrote:
People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here!
Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid.
It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance.

I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations.

If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up.

It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.
think they are talking about green the council leader in regards to the loan?
if anyone puts a negative comment they are trolls!
everyone against the bulls, blah blah.
complete twaddle!
still getting hammered every week, players obviously don't care or coach rubbish.
got to be one or the other?
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: People are still blaming green for the loan that Khan took out from the Council. He is blamed for not signing lots of players when nobody actually wanted to come - such as Kaufusi who would rather be in the stand than with us. Diskin stated in an interview that they have tried to sign many players but they were not interested. He is also blamed for not doing the stadium up. WOW, there are some idiots come on here! Green has only been here a couple of months and saved the club from being wound up due to taxes not being paid. It is the people in the years before he took over that need ridiculing. We overspent while winning trophies and have now got our comeuppance. I am as loyal a bulls fan as you can get but admit it is our fault not the RFL . We should be demoted and earn our place back in SL. I have a feeling that Green will be the hard nosed businessman that this club has needed for years. We will build again on solid foundations. If I had taken over when Green did I wouldn't have thrown good money after bad when it was clear we were down. I would keep it and clear out the dead wood and bring in a new coach and tell him to sign players who will bring us back up stronger. I am from the Peter Fox era when he brought in grafting players who gave 100% and achieved success. Many of this squad need to go and be replaced by better players - not necessarily better known - just like Foxy did. A complete new start is needed from the academy up. It is clear what needs to happen but it will not stop the s**t for brains trolls enjoying themselves on here in the coming months.[/p][/quote]think they are talking about green the council leader in regards to the loan? if anyone puts a negative comment they are trolls! everyone against the bulls, blah blah. complete twaddle! still getting hammered every week, players obviously don't care or coach rubbish. got to be one or the other? tinytoonster
  • Score: 0

4:54pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Letshavealook says...

How about some words of wisdom from Robbie Paul. He of all people should know most of the rights and wrongs of the pre Green era.

Has anyone else noticed how quiet he has been in the last month or so!!
How about some words of wisdom from Robbie Paul. He of all people should know most of the rights and wrongs of the pre Green era. Has anyone else noticed how quiet he has been in the last month or so!! Letshavealook
  • Score: 0

5:50pm Mon 21 Jul 14

blue marlin says...

Just announced on bulls web site no high court for points back.
Now there is a surprise!
Just announced on bulls web site no high court for points back. Now there is a surprise! blue marlin
  • Score: 6

5:59pm Mon 21 Jul 14

BirchLane-1964 says...

blue marlin wrote:
Just announced on bulls web site no high court for points back.
Now there is a surprise!
Not all about the points, but we may never find out the truth of what the RFl advised pre admin now. At least the court fees will be saved to invest in players (hopefully)!!
[quote][p][bold]blue marlin[/bold] wrote: Just announced on bulls web site no high court for points back. Now there is a surprise![/p][/quote]Not all about the points, but we may never find out the truth of what the RFl advised pre admin now. At least the court fees will be saved to invest in players (hopefully)!! BirchLane-1964
  • Score: 2

7:52pm Mon 21 Jul 14

bradford88 says...

Very bad news for bradford but If you dont win any games you cant expect to stay in the super league, you have to perform at this level and they failed to do that, They got to work there way back up hopefully they can. Goodluck
Very bad news for bradford but If you dont win any games you cant expect to stay in the super league, you have to perform at this level and they failed to do that, They got to work there way back up hopefully they can. Goodluck bradford88
  • Score: 2

10:27pm Mon 21 Jul 14

Its Granola - Granola says...

alive and awake wrote:
What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture.
Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had?
It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.
Grow up and stop blaming everybody else .If u got the 6 points back now u would still go down because you havent won enough games through the season ,its not rocket science.
[quote][p][bold]alive and awake[/bold] wrote: What a sad. sad day, but we got there at last. Drip, drip, drip torture. Well done R.L. You've just put one of the best supported clubs in the game out of business. Have you forgotten that this club playing well can take 12k+ supporters to away games, can Rugby League really afford to loose them? How on earth can Bulls ever get promoted? We all know how difficult that can be. They have one chance, and then only if they stay at Odsal. If not bye, bye Odsal and bye, bye Rugby League in Bradford for ever. Am I wrong to think that Koukash didn't get the club because there was a chance that they might stop up if they had? It's been one big not so hidden agenda, coming to a conclusion.[/p][/quote]Grow up and stop blaming everybody else .If u got the 6 points back now u would still go down because you havent won enough games through the season ,its not rocket science. Its Granola - Granola
  • Score: 2

12:02am Tue 22 Jul 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table.

Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR?

Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport.

A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up? bradfordbronco
  • Score: 1

12:05am Tue 22 Jul 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

So where is Spangles so he can enlighten us along with the other chuffers?
We dealt with Bronco :-)
So where is Spangles so he can enlighten us along with the other chuffers? We dealt with Bronco :-) Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -2

12:27am Tue 22 Jul 14

bradfordbronco says...

Scrouge wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position?
Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Agree, pathetic journalism. Who with any sense would even speak to these Creatures??? Why have they never been asked where the money went? The Club has been run by Clowns and has got what it deserved. LIQUIDATION IN THE OFFSEASON?? The circus is not over yet folks.
Where what money went? The RFL took half the the central funding. Only 6000 season tickets were sold. away support was pretty poor so not many paying on the day.

The squad was kept full time somebody had to pay the bills. Omar put in a £1m in and lost it!!!

He wasn't prepared to lose anymore and when more was needed to pay the bills. he wanted to sell it on but nobody wanted to pay the price he valued it at. The result was administration.

The 1st administration wasn't his fault. the second administration was partly down to the 1st admin.

Nobody is saying Omar didn't make mistakes. he made plenty of them. He should have put a cheaper team together in 2013 and cut the costs so we could build for 2014. hindsight is a wonderful thing. But does anyone actually believe Omar took more money out of the club than he put in it?

Anybody not happy with those that are keeping the Bulls afloat then please step up and put your money where you mouth is. You pay for all the players wages, the training, the transport, the meals, the admin staff, the electric, the rent, the water, the ground running costs etc etc. Then when you've mortgaged your house and stepped aside people can accuse you of taking all the the money!!

I ask you again HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK OMAR TOOK? and please explain your maths
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.[/p][/quote]Agree, pathetic journalism. Who with any sense would even speak to these Creatures??? Why have they never been asked where the money went? The Club has been run by Clowns and has got what it deserved. LIQUIDATION IN THE OFFSEASON?? The circus is not over yet folks.[/p][/quote]Where what money went? The RFL took half the the central funding. Only 6000 season tickets were sold. away support was pretty poor so not many paying on the day. The squad was kept full time somebody had to pay the bills. Omar put in a £1m in and lost it!!! He wasn't prepared to lose anymore and when more was needed to pay the bills. he wanted to sell it on but nobody wanted to pay the price he valued it at. The result was administration. The 1st administration wasn't his fault. the second administration was partly down to the 1st admin. Nobody is saying Omar didn't make mistakes. he made plenty of them. He should have put a cheaper team together in 2013 and cut the costs so we could build for 2014. hindsight is a wonderful thing. But does anyone actually believe Omar took more money out of the club than he put in it? Anybody not happy with those that are keeping the Bulls afloat then please step up and put your money where you mouth is. You pay for all the players wages, the training, the transport, the meals, the admin staff, the electric, the rent, the water, the ground running costs etc etc. Then when you've mortgaged your house and stepped aside people can accuse you of taking all the the money!! I ask you again HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK OMAR TOOK? and please explain your maths bradfordbronco
  • Score: 0

1:01am Tue 22 Jul 14

Reality50 says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table.

Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR?

Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport.

A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?
Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season. Reality50
  • Score: 3

6:04am Tue 22 Jul 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

No investment, no points appeal, no new players = No SL next season.

the same rose tinted specs are being worn by the same people for Green that were on here praising OK as the Club's saviour.

Come on Green make a statement about what your plan B is for next season seeing as your plan to keep the Club in SL at all costs has come to nowt!
No investment, no points appeal, no new players = No SL next season. the same rose tinted specs are being worn by the same people for Green that were on here praising OK as the Club's saviour. Come on Green make a statement about what your plan B is for next season seeing as your plan to keep the Club in SL at all costs has come to nowt! fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 4

10:27am Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.
Agree, pathetic journalism. Who with any sense would even speak to these Creatures??? Why have they never been asked where the money went? The Club has been run by Clowns and has got what it deserved. LIQUIDATION IN THE OFFSEASON?? The circus is not over yet folks.
Where what money went? The RFL took half the the central funding. Only 6000 season tickets were sold. away support was pretty poor so not many paying on the day. The squad was kept full time somebody had to pay the bills. Omar put in a £1m in and lost it!!! He wasn't prepared to lose anymore and when more was needed to pay the bills. he wanted to sell it on but nobody wanted to pay the price he valued it at. The result was administration. The 1st administration wasn't his fault. the second administration was partly down to the 1st admin. Nobody is saying Omar didn't make mistakes. he made plenty of them. He should have put a cheaper team together in 2013 and cut the costs so we could build for 2014. hindsight is a wonderful thing. But does anyone actually believe Omar took more money out of the club than he put in it? Anybody not happy with those that are keeping the Bulls afloat then please step up and put your money where you mouth is. You pay for all the players wages, the training, the transport, the meals, the admin staff, the electric, the rent, the water, the ground running costs etc etc. Then when you've mortgaged your house and stepped aside people can accuse you of taking all the the money!! I ask you again HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK OMAR TOOK? and please explain your maths
Omar put nothing into the club. He simply put in loanded money. The money to pay the wages announced as money from his propery portfolio was the money borrowed by Green. The following month if £1m was injected why were wages paid late? I tell you why because the £1m never existed it was to win over gulible idiots who sing his praises.

Council money, Barclays loans, money up front from the RFL, this is what funded the club. Borrowed cash, meaning borrowed time. The rates weren't paid, creditors topped £1.2m after season ticket sales, sponsorship, gate receipts, central funding. HMRC weren't paid.

The slate was clean after the first admin. No creditors were to be paid back, all Khan took was a £600k hit in central funding and paid £150k for all the clubs assetts. Khan wasn't effected by the £1.2m central funding reduction because it was spread over 2 years so he didn't even feel the effect of year 2 as he was long gone.

There is non as blind as those who can not see.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have you given Khan and Sutcliffe airtime but not asked serious questions to how they got into this position? Also loyal fans, they have left in their droves. Barely 6k turn up.[/p][/quote]Agree, pathetic journalism. Who with any sense would even speak to these Creatures??? Why have they never been asked where the money went? The Club has been run by Clowns and has got what it deserved. LIQUIDATION IN THE OFFSEASON?? The circus is not over yet folks.[/p][/quote]Where what money went? The RFL took half the the central funding. Only 6000 season tickets were sold. away support was pretty poor so not many paying on the day. The squad was kept full time somebody had to pay the bills. Omar put in a £1m in and lost it!!! He wasn't prepared to lose anymore and when more was needed to pay the bills. he wanted to sell it on but nobody wanted to pay the price he valued it at. The result was administration. The 1st administration wasn't his fault. the second administration was partly down to the 1st admin. Nobody is saying Omar didn't make mistakes. he made plenty of them. He should have put a cheaper team together in 2013 and cut the costs so we could build for 2014. hindsight is a wonderful thing. But does anyone actually believe Omar took more money out of the club than he put in it? Anybody not happy with those that are keeping the Bulls afloat then please step up and put your money where you mouth is. You pay for all the players wages, the training, the transport, the meals, the admin staff, the electric, the rent, the water, the ground running costs etc etc. Then when you've mortgaged your house and stepped aside people can accuse you of taking all the the money!! I ask you again HOW MUCH MONEY DO YOU THINK OMAR TOOK? and please explain your maths[/p][/quote]Omar put nothing into the club. He simply put in loanded money. The money to pay the wages announced as money from his propery portfolio was the money borrowed by Green. The following month if £1m was injected why were wages paid late? I tell you why because the £1m never existed it was to win over gulible idiots who sing his praises. Council money, Barclays loans, money up front from the RFL, this is what funded the club. Borrowed cash, meaning borrowed time. The rates weren't paid, creditors topped £1.2m after season ticket sales, sponsorship, gate receipts, central funding. HMRC weren't paid. The slate was clean after the first admin. No creditors were to be paid back, all Khan took was a £600k hit in central funding and paid £150k for all the clubs assetts. Khan wasn't effected by the £1.2m central funding reduction because it was spread over 2 years so he didn't even feel the effect of year 2 as he was long gone. There is non as blind as those who can not see. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 1

10:48am Tue 22 Jul 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Reality50 wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?
Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.
Just for the record.

THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THIS CHANGE, YOU SAY IT'S NOT VIABLE BUT THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF IT.

Time to stop moaning about what you think it wrong, and allow those with far more knowledge who voted it through to see if it sinks or swims.

You're only saying it's the wrong decision because the Bulls aren't in it from the start. You wouldn't care less about the change if Bulls started next year in SL.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.[/p][/quote]Just for the record. THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THIS CHANGE, YOU SAY IT'S NOT VIABLE BUT THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF IT. Time to stop moaning about what you think it wrong, and allow those with far more knowledge who voted it through to see if it sinks or swims. You're only saying it's the wrong decision because the Bulls aren't in it from the start. You wouldn't care less about the change if Bulls started next year in SL. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -2

11:27am Tue 22 Jul 14

Parz says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
No investment, no points appeal, no new players = No SL next season. the same rose tinted specs are being worn by the same people for Green that were on here praising OK as the Club's saviour. Come on Green make a statement about what your plan B is for next season seeing as your plan to keep the Club in SL at all costs has come to nowt!
There's a fans forum type event thing at Cedar Court on 30th where he's going to discuss the plan moving forward.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: No investment, no points appeal, no new players = No SL next season. the same rose tinted specs are being worn by the same people for Green that were on here praising OK as the Club's saviour. Come on Green make a statement about what your plan B is for next season seeing as your plan to keep the Club in SL at all costs has come to nowt![/p][/quote]There's a fans forum type event thing at Cedar Court on 30th where he's going to discuss the plan moving forward. Parz
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8:42pm Tue 22 Jul 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?
Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.
Just for the record.

THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THIS CHANGE, YOU SAY IT'S NOT VIABLE BUT THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF IT.

Time to stop moaning about what you think it wrong, and allow those with far more knowledge who voted it through to see if it sinks or swims.

You're only saying it's the wrong decision because the Bulls aren't in it from the start. You wouldn't care less about the change if Bulls started next year in SL.
If Ii remember correctly there was almost civil war before the motion was passed mainly to avoid red faces in the lead up to the world cup.

You think you know everything but you know very little. Anybody that actually knows me knows I am a RF fan 1st and a Bulls fans 2nd.

I want the game to expand that why i was a big fan of the SL concept. I do support my local club but given a choice I'd rather see the London Broncos be the SL Champions than the Bradford Bulls. It would be a massive boost that the game needs. After all I've seen the Bulls win everything in the past anyway!

You might think the RFL are doing a great job but you are very much in a minority. The Clubs owners will rebel again before too long. The writing is on the wall for RL and the RFL in particular and I'm not just saying that as a Bulls fan because to be honest i'm quite looking forward to next season
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.[/p][/quote]Just for the record. THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THIS CHANGE, YOU SAY IT'S NOT VIABLE BUT THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF IT. Time to stop moaning about what you think it wrong, and allow those with far more knowledge who voted it through to see if it sinks or swims. You're only saying it's the wrong decision because the Bulls aren't in it from the start. You wouldn't care less about the change if Bulls started next year in SL.[/p][/quote]If Ii remember correctly there was almost civil war before the motion was passed mainly to avoid red faces in the lead up to the world cup. You think you know everything but you know very little. Anybody that actually knows me knows I am a RF fan 1st and a Bulls fans 2nd. I want the game to expand that why i was a big fan of the SL concept. I do support my local club but given a choice I'd rather see the London Broncos be the SL Champions than the Bradford Bulls. It would be a massive boost that the game needs. After all I've seen the Bulls win everything in the past anyway! You might think the RFL are doing a great job but you are very much in a minority. The Clubs owners will rebel again before too long. The writing is on the wall for RL and the RFL in particular and I'm not just saying that as a Bulls fan because to be honest i'm quite looking forward to next season bradfordbronco
  • Score: 0

1:29pm Wed 23 Jul 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.
What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?
Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.
Just for the record.

THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THIS CHANGE, YOU SAY IT'S NOT VIABLE BUT THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF IT.

Time to stop moaning about what you think it wrong, and allow those with far more knowledge who voted it through to see if it sinks or swims.

You're only saying it's the wrong decision because the Bulls aren't in it from the start. You wouldn't care less about the change if Bulls started next year in SL.
So after all that, even you aren't prepared to say Omar took money out of the Bulls!

I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes he made loads. I'm sure he did lose money though rather than STEAL money as some people seem to be suggesting

He had a go, failed and tried to get out without losing any more cash. Making mistakes isn't a crime at least he had a go when nobody else would. The Bulls are still in existence and maybe they might get back on their feet one day. If the RFL hadn't obstructed the Bulls so much after the 1st admin the 2nd admin might not have happened.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: When did the Bulls last manage 12k for a home game, nevermind away.[/p][/quote]What is your point? Yes the bulls crowds have been poor by their SL standards but even with a poor side they're getting crowds better than many of those above them in the table. Can you list me the 12000+ crowds of Hudds, Salford, Wakefield, Castleford, Widnes, Hull KR? Lets face it the RFL are killing the game. Crowds are down at every club. If Leeds and Wigan think they can afford to keep their stars on full time contracts whilst the other clubs go part time then will get a rude awakening. Sponsorship will keep getting smaller, all the top players will head to RU as RL retreats back into a part time northern sport. A 12 team SL isn't viable. Sky wont pay more money for that. Then it'll be 10 team SL to keep the top clubs happy , then 8 ,then none. When will the RFL wake up?[/p][/quote]Absolutely spot on,the game is run by clowns. I agree with Bulls going down but a 14 team league is a necessity. It should be a 14 team league with 2 up and 2 down every season.[/p][/quote]Just for the record. THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF THIS CHANGE, YOU SAY IT'S NOT VIABLE BUT THE CLUBS VOTED IN FAVOUR OF IT. Time to stop moaning about what you think it wrong, and allow those with far more knowledge who voted it through to see if it sinks or swims. You're only saying it's the wrong decision because the Bulls aren't in it from the start. You wouldn't care less about the change if Bulls started next year in SL.[/p][/quote]So after all that, even you aren't prepared to say Omar took money out of the Bulls! I'm not saying he didn't make mistakes he made loads. I'm sure he did lose money though rather than STEAL money as some people seem to be suggesting He had a go, failed and tried to get out without losing any more cash. Making mistakes isn't a crime at least he had a go when nobody else would. The Bulls are still in existence and maybe they might get back on their feet one day. If the RFL hadn't obstructed the Bulls so much after the 1st admin the 2nd admin might not have happened. bradfordbronco
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