Francis Cummins slams 'pathetic' performance by Bradford Bulls

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Junior Sa'u  goes over for his second try on a dismal day for the Bulls Junior Sa'u goes over for his second try on a dismal day for the Bulls

Bulls head coach Francis Cummins branded his players “pathetic” after their survival hopes were dealt a massive blow by a 46-18 defeat at Salford.

The Red Devils had picked up only a single point in their previous eight Super League matches but they blew Bradford away during a blistering opening spell.

Inspired by the intricate probing of playmaker Rangi Chase, Iestyn Harris’ side led 24-0 after just 15 minutes thanks to a four-try blast.

Cummins admitted: “It was a horror start and defensively we were pathetic.

“The players were just taking dummies and just not even doing the basics.

“Salford played well and they have got some good players who can unlock defences but there wasn’t any level of professionalism.

“They (Salford) were going through the middle untouched and that’s poor.

“Right from the start, we had some people who were way off the pace. We got back into the game after half an hour but we had some people who were below the standard required for Super League today.”

The Bulls at least steadied themselves and replied with tries from Elliot Kear and Tom Olbison before half-time but Salford touched down eight times in total and were comfortable victors.

The result left Bradford nine points behind the Red Devils and eight adrift of Wakefield ahead of Friday’s visit of Hull KR to Odsal.

Asked about his side’s survival hopes, Cummins added: “It gets tougher but we’ve just got to concentrate on Hull KR now because it’s a short turnaround.

“Mathematically we can still do it, so that’s what we’ve got to keep focused on.

“The frustrating thing is that we have probably wasted an opportunity there today.”

Cummins said the manner in which his side capitulated was all about a lack of desire and nothing to do with tactics.

The news last week that the Bulls’ six-point penalty for entering administration had been upheld appeared to have taken its toll on Cummins’ players.

He said: “We had trained and we knew what we were doing but it wasn’t a tactical thing.

“It wasn’t anything to do with that and we probably had half a dozen players who were just way off.

“It’s a strange situation we are in and maybe a few individuals were hoping to get some points back [with the appeal]. But it has never crossed my mind and I’ve never talked about it in team meetings or anything like that.

“There is other stuff going on as well and we looked like we had some players who were just way off.”

The Bulls’ Under-19s lost 28-14 to their Salford counterparts yesterday in a game which saw Sam Bates sent off.

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7:49am Mon 16 Jun 14

bradfordbronco says...

He's a tough start to his coaching career but things haven't got ANY better since we moved out of administration.

To lose so badly in a vital match is just not on. Time for Cummins to go. He isn't good enough to be a head coach. As for St Hillaire what he's still doing there i'll never know. Te defence is still as bad as in the Macnamarra days. In fact ever since St Hillaire has been at the club.

The players have had every bit of basic skill(Passing, Catching, Tackling) coached OUT of them. They've put some effort in but its all misdirected. They don't know where they're supposed to be at any point in a the game.

We could bring in better players but the coaching will still be as bad. I don't think any other club (Even in the championship) would want to swap coaches with us, and that just about sums it up for .

Cummins is good bloke but NOT a good coach. Time for a change so we can start building for next season in the championship
He's a tough start to his coaching career but things haven't got ANY better since we moved out of administration. To lose so badly in a vital match is just not on. Time for Cummins to go. He isn't good enough to be a head coach. As for St Hillaire what he's still doing there i'll never know. Te defence is still as bad as in the Macnamarra days. In fact ever since St Hillaire has been at the club. The players have had every bit of basic skill(Passing, Catching, Tackling) coached OUT of them. They've put some effort in but its all misdirected. They don't know where they're supposed to be at any point in a the game. We could bring in better players but the coaching will still be as bad. I don't think any other club (Even in the championship) would want to swap coaches with us, and that just about sums it up for . Cummins is good bloke but NOT a good coach. Time for a change so we can start building for next season in the championship bradfordbronco
  • Score: 12

7:58am Mon 16 Jun 14

blue marlin says...

Was at the game and it was a very poor perfomance to say the least, dont think from a cost point o view FC will be moved on.

wonder what the other things going on are that the story talk about

small ponit T and A Junior SA'U only crossed for two trys not the 3 that the picture caption carries.
Was at the game and it was a very poor perfomance to say the least, dont think from a cost point o view FC will be moved on. wonder what the other things going on are that the story talk about small ponit T and A Junior SA'U only crossed for two trys not the 3 that the picture caption carries. blue marlin
  • Score: 1

8:21am Mon 16 Jun 14

Shipley Paul says...

It's sad indictment when the coach calls his players pathetic. Marc Green and Steve Ferres asked for us to get behind the team. There is nothing at all to get behind. I've missed only a handful of home games since '64 but I just feel that this is the lowest point we have ever been at even including the 60's reformation. Just disgraceful effort from players and coaches alike. Major changes NOW before the club disappears without trace.
It's sad indictment when the coach calls his players pathetic. Marc Green and Steve Ferres asked for us to get behind the team. There is nothing at all to get behind. I've missed only a handful of home games since '64 but I just feel that this is the lowest point we have ever been at even including the 60's reformation. Just disgraceful effort from players and coaches alike. Major changes NOW before the club disappears without trace. Shipley Paul
  • Score: 16

8:23am Mon 16 Jun 14

tinytoonster says...

should have stayed in administration, they don't deserve paying!
shows how players only care about themselves.
no pride or effort.
should make it pay as you earn (points)
coach should be sacked and deserves it for letting them feel they can get away with not trying.
supposed to respect the coach!
shameful.
should have stayed in administration, they don't deserve paying! shows how players only care about themselves. no pride or effort. should make it pay as you earn (points) coach should be sacked and deserves it for letting them feel they can get away with not trying. supposed to respect the coach! shameful. tinytoonster
  • Score: 6

8:37am Mon 16 Jun 14

-HCK3R- says...

"There is other stuff going on as well and we looked like we had some players who were just way off.” .............What stuff ? .....Think its easy to see that Cummins has lost the players ...........Come on Messrs Ferres and Green what decisive action is going to be taken and why should the supporters carry on turning up if the players don't ?.....
"There is other stuff going on as well and we looked like we had some players who were just way off.” .............What stuff ? .....Think its easy to see that Cummins has lost the players ...........Come on Messrs Ferres and Green what decisive action is going to be taken and why should the supporters carry on turning up if the players don't ?..... -HCK3R-
  • Score: 9

8:50am Mon 16 Jun 14

haterugbysometimes says...

What a shower of you know what and the best thing is they get paid for such performances. Cummins has had long enough and needs to go now you can't keep blaming the points lost because the club went into administration there have been plenty of opportunities to pull some points back, the only thing they are pulling is probably pints after the match, there is no desire there anymore. It's heartbreaking that once the best side in Rugby League is reduced to this and nevermind Cummins saying it is still mathematically possible to survive you ain't, not with you at the helm and the so called players who turn up week on week and do absolutely nothing. One thing lads you are all probably looking elsewhere for contracts thing is no other club in Super League will want you, so what I suggest you do is get off your backsides and earn the brass you get paid!
What a shower of you know what and the best thing is they get paid for such performances. Cummins has had long enough and needs to go now you can't keep blaming the points lost because the club went into administration there have been plenty of opportunities to pull some points back, the only thing they are pulling is probably pints after the match, there is no desire there anymore. It's heartbreaking that once the best side in Rugby League is reduced to this and nevermind Cummins saying it is still mathematically possible to survive you ain't, not with you at the helm and the so called players who turn up week on week and do absolutely nothing. One thing lads you are all probably looking elsewhere for contracts thing is no other club in Super League will want you, so what I suggest you do is get off your backsides and earn the brass you get paid! haterugbysometimes
  • Score: 15

8:58am Mon 16 Jun 14

Solomon Grundy says...

Sad and not fair on FC but it is time for a change. The supporters cannot rally behind this, the club has to act and now.
Sad and not fair on FC but it is time for a change. The supporters cannot rally behind this, the club has to act and now. Solomon Grundy
  • Score: 9

8:59am Mon 16 Jun 14

cragel says...

Taxi for cummins
Taxi for cummins cragel
  • Score: 3

9:08am Mon 16 Jun 14

1964gc says...

It is the job of the coaches to ensure they don't turn up only to be "way off "
Stinks of blame and self preservation,

Green will be hoping he walks.......
It is the job of the coaches to ensure they don't turn up only to be "way off " Stinks of blame and self preservation, Green will be hoping he walks....... 1964gc
  • Score: 7

9:11am Mon 16 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Season starts now.
On a positive note I won some money
Season starts now. On a positive note I won some money axelf1963
  • Score: -6

9:12am Mon 16 Jun 14

Bull4Life says...

If points were awarded for desire, determination and commitment then even the London Broncos would be above us in the table! Broncos lose week in week out, but its not through lack of trying - they almost did us a favour against wakey on friday!

Give it another few rounds and even our points difference will be worse than theirs.
If points were awarded for desire, determination and commitment then even the London Broncos would be above us in the table! Broncos lose week in week out, but its not through lack of trying - they almost did us a favour against wakey on friday! Give it another few rounds and even our points difference will be worse than theirs. Bull4Life
  • Score: 8

9:19am Mon 16 Jun 14

allannicho says...

Goobye Bulls! very sad.
Goobye Bulls! very sad. allannicho
  • Score: 3

9:20am Mon 16 Jun 14

Forever-Bfd says...

Agree with all the above. Was one of the first to buy a BELONG season ticket didn't expect much, just some pride and effort. Must be the worst set of players we have had, don't think it's because they can't play but won't play and that is much worse. PLEASE MR FERRES AND MR GREEN do something about it.
Agree with all the above. Was one of the first to buy a BELONG season ticket didn't expect much, just some pride and effort. Must be the worst set of players we have had, don't think it's because they can't play but won't play and that is much worse. PLEASE MR FERRES AND MR GREEN do something about it. Forever-Bfd
  • Score: 9

9:20am Mon 16 Jun 14

caledonia15 says...

Time has run out, what a sad state of affairs, how the mighty have fallen, it really guts me to see this mess, as my son said to me today - i used to love going to watch the Bulls, but now l just don't want to go anymore. The disgraceful efforts on the field have totally sickened the loyal fans who have backed the Bulls over the last few years of heartache, watching the team they loved,they believed in this club, backed it as much as they could and now this. Its a total disgrace and no amount of talking from the powers that be will appease the decreasing loyal supporters anymore- action has to be taken, its too late to stop relegation now , but for gods sake lets see some pride in our once great club and see some action to show we mean to be a team we can again be proud of again
Time has run out, what a sad state of affairs, how the mighty have fallen, it really guts me to see this mess, as my son said to me today - i used to love going to watch the Bulls, but now l just don't want to go anymore. The disgraceful efforts on the field have totally sickened the loyal fans who have backed the Bulls over the last few years of heartache, watching the team they loved,they believed in this club, backed it as much as they could and now this. Its a total disgrace and no amount of talking from the powers that be will appease the decreasing loyal supporters anymore- action has to be taken, its too late to stop relegation now , but for gods sake lets see some pride in our once great club and see some action to show we mean to be a team we can again be proud of again caledonia15
  • Score: 16

9:29am Mon 16 Jun 14

Forever-Bfd says...

Sounds like Cummings does know the players who don't want to play name and shame them and get rid, would rather lose games with honest players.
Sounds like Cummings does know the players who don't want to play name and shame them and get rid, would rather lose games with honest players. Forever-Bfd
  • Score: 8

9:35am Mon 16 Jun 14

Andybulls says...

Funny how people forget that Franny has not had a settled team all year and has had loanees in and out just about every month. What chance does he have of building a settled side? Get used to it, we will be playing Championship rugby next year.
Funny how people forget that Franny has not had a settled team all year and has had loanees in and out just about every month. What chance does he have of building a settled side? Get used to it, we will be playing Championship rugby next year. Andybulls
  • Score: 4

9:43am Mon 16 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

Green if you are not going to do anything about the state of the Club then may I suggest you speak to the BPA consortium and see if they will take it off your hands and at least let those with a passion for the Club and Bradford do what you do not seem interested in doing.

For most of us this Club is not a business; you have invested nothing in the team or Club apart from a new range of T-shirts.

OK will be the man that screwed the Club but you will be at the Helm when we go down.
Green if you are not going to do anything about the state of the Club then may I suggest you speak to the BPA consortium and see if they will take it off your hands and at least let those with a passion for the Club and Bradford do what you do not seem interested in doing. For most of us this Club is not a business; you have invested nothing in the team or Club apart from a new range of T-shirts. OK will be the man that screwed the Club but you will be at the Helm when we go down. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 6

9:47am Mon 16 Jun 14

Sheffieldbull says...

I’d like to respectfully suggest to any spokesperson from the Bulls to refrain from issuing any further ‘rallying calls’ to the Fans.
Almost fortuitously, I’ve missed a couple of ‘outstanding’ debacles this season – Wigan and Salford – but caught the Catalans away game and that was bad enough! The Fans have stuck with the team through some major adversity over several seasons, dug deep, and supported through thin and thinner. In half a season, I myself have travelled more than 3100 miles (and that’s much less than some of those I attend matches with). Like most, I can accept defeats especially with weakened and depleted squads, but what I find totally unacceptable is lack of effort and spineless performances by Players who are earning a very decent living supposedly doing something they love doing.
If the Team were unable to lift themselves for the game on Sunday then they need to call it a day with the Bulls! Those whose remit it is to prepare the Players both physically and mentally also need to point their finger inwards to determine their own responsibilities in these tragic events.
Field a Team of Players on Friday that are prepared to run their blood to water and, win or lose, I will support their efforts. Anything less than that will be totally unacceptable, end of!
I’d like to respectfully suggest to any spokesperson from the Bulls to refrain from issuing any further ‘rallying calls’ to the Fans. Almost fortuitously, I’ve missed a couple of ‘outstanding’ debacles this season – Wigan and Salford – but caught the Catalans away game and that was bad enough! The Fans have stuck with the team through some major adversity over several seasons, dug deep, and supported through thin and thinner. In half a season, I myself have travelled more than 3100 miles (and that’s much less than some of those I attend matches with). Like most, I can accept defeats especially with weakened and depleted squads, but what I find totally unacceptable is lack of effort and spineless performances by Players who are earning a very decent living supposedly doing something they love doing. If the Team were unable to lift themselves for the game on Sunday then they need to call it a day with the Bulls! Those whose remit it is to prepare the Players both physically and mentally also need to point their finger inwards to determine their own responsibilities in these tragic events. Field a Team of Players on Friday that are prepared to run their blood to water and, win or lose, I will support their efforts. Anything less than that will be totally unacceptable, end of! Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 29

9:50am Mon 16 Jun 14

Videoref says...

The thing that surprises me is that he's only just noticed the team were pathetic. They've been pathetic all season almost and as a coach he should have addressed it earlier. Time for a ccomplete clearout and start again or we'll be getting relegated again this time next year from the championship with 500 supporters avgame or maybe we could mergevwith Dudley Hill
The thing that surprises me is that he's only just noticed the team were pathetic. They've been pathetic all season almost and as a coach he should have addressed it earlier. Time for a ccomplete clearout and start again or we'll be getting relegated again this time next year from the championship with 500 supporters avgame or maybe we could mergevwith Dudley Hill Videoref
  • Score: 3

10:06am Mon 16 Jun 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Whilst I have openly stated regrettably it is now time for change we must not forget the club is still in special measures.As far as I am aware that means we can only sign loanees.We cannot sign overseas players so all in all Francis Cummins has been working with his hands tied behind his back.I accept it is his responsibility to motivate the players he has got but it is plainly obvious that maybe 4 or 5 are up to S.L. standard,at least for the bottom 3 teams,but the rest are not.That ,unfortunately is what several years of mismanagement has left us.We are now going to have to live with the fact that next season will be spent in the championship.Hopeful
ly the parachute payment received will be spent wisely and a decent squad assembled to give us a shout in promotion,if it still around by then.Leigh are obviously setting their stall out for promotion but mark my words they will implode,they do not have neither the money nor the backer to succeed in S.L. Featherstone are another club who will be there also.They do have the money and a millionaire backer behind them so in my opinion the Bulls will have to invest very wisely to try to be up there with these two and London who will also receive the parachute payment.The rest you can forget,none of them have the money nor the resources to play in S.L.
Whilst I have openly stated regrettably it is now time for change we must not forget the club is still in special measures.As far as I am aware that means we can only sign loanees.We cannot sign overseas players so all in all Francis Cummins has been working with his hands tied behind his back.I accept it is his responsibility to motivate the players he has got but it is plainly obvious that maybe 4 or 5 are up to S.L. standard,at least for the bottom 3 teams,but the rest are not.That ,unfortunately is what several years of mismanagement has left us.We are now going to have to live with the fact that next season will be spent in the championship.Hopeful ly the parachute payment received will be spent wisely and a decent squad assembled to give us a shout in promotion,if it still around by then.Leigh are obviously setting their stall out for promotion but mark my words they will implode,they do not have neither the money nor the backer to succeed in S.L. Featherstone are another club who will be there also.They do have the money and a millionaire backer behind them so in my opinion the Bulls will have to invest very wisely to try to be up there with these two and London who will also receive the parachute payment.The rest you can forget,none of them have the money nor the resources to play in S.L. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

10:10am Mon 16 Jun 14

monobrow man says...

I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.
I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching. monobrow man
  • Score: 5

10:12am Mon 16 Jun 14

bullybullman says...

The players do not like ,respect or want Cummings as head coach the big problem here is Marc Green who simply will not sack him. We will continue to limp on through games to the end of the season & its up to us as supporters to decide if we want to continue to waste our money watching the games.

Most who have season tickets will continue to go to home games but the revenue from paying supporters will drop alarmingly.

Marc Green must realise that he has got to be seen to be doing something to stop this rot we will go down & he has to ensure some form of plan is in place for next season or season ticket sales will be a disaster.
The players do not like ,respect or want Cummings as head coach the big problem here is Marc Green who simply will not sack him. We will continue to limp on through games to the end of the season & its up to us as supporters to decide if we want to continue to waste our money watching the games. Most who have season tickets will continue to go to home games but the revenue from paying supporters will drop alarmingly. Marc Green must realise that he has got to be seen to be doing something to stop this rot we will go down & he has to ensure some form of plan is in place for next season or season ticket sales will be a disaster. bullybullman
  • Score: 4

10:18am Mon 16 Jun 14

northern pig says...

You would have thought,the root and branch audit carried out by Steve Ferris would have been completed by now. After another totally inept performance against Salford yesterday,It is time to chop some trees down and start replanting for life next season in the championship.It must be demoralising for the players as well as the spectators.Superleag
ue!!! never mind the points deduction.The club should be also cited under 'the false trades description act ' Woeful.
You would have thought,the root and branch audit carried out by Steve Ferris would have been completed by now. After another totally inept performance against Salford yesterday,It is time to chop some trees down and start replanting for life next season in the championship.It must be demoralising for the players as well as the spectators.Superleag ue!!! never mind the points deduction.The club should be also cited under 'the false trades description act ' Woeful. northern pig
  • Score: 3

10:27am Mon 16 Jun 14

Videoref says...

monobrow man wrote:
I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.
Elliot Whitehead and John Bateman both improved tremendously this season
[quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.[/p][/quote]Elliot Whitehead and John Bateman both improved tremendously this season Videoref
  • Score: 7

10:30am Mon 16 Jun 14

Bull4Life says...

It's the loan players I really feel sorry for. Unfortunately when you criticise "The Bulls" or "the team" you are unfortunately tarring everybody with the same brush and it's a little unfair.

Take Jay Pitts for example, I have been impressed with his performances ever since he joined us, and whilst the tackle which got him suspended for yesterday's game was a tad wreckless, at least he was showing some determination and grit, and doing the dirty work which so many of the permanent fixtures at odsal just seem completely unwilling to do. Unfortunately though he, and other loanees will shoulder all this criticism because he is part of the 'team' (A word i use loosely at this point in time) - No wonder kaufusi didn't want to stay.

But then on the other side of the coin you have examples like Gaskell - who has the audacity to come out in the media claiming we are up for it and salford are the ones under pressure - only to turn in a 'performance' (if I dare call it that) like yesterday.

It's just a complete shambles it really is, let the loan signings return to their parent clubs because they don't deserve this, and quite frankly there's nothing any of them can do to save us now anyway.
It's the loan players I really feel sorry for. Unfortunately when you criticise "The Bulls" or "the team" you are unfortunately tarring everybody with the same brush and it's a little unfair. Take Jay Pitts for example, I have been impressed with his performances ever since he joined us, and whilst the tackle which got him suspended for yesterday's game was a tad wreckless, at least he was showing some determination and grit, and doing the dirty work which so many of the permanent fixtures at odsal just seem completely unwilling to do. Unfortunately though he, and other loanees will shoulder all this criticism because he is part of the 'team' (A word i use loosely at this point in time) - No wonder kaufusi didn't want to stay. But then on the other side of the coin you have examples like Gaskell - who has the audacity to come out in the media claiming we are up for it and salford are the ones under pressure - only to turn in a 'performance' (if I dare call it that) like yesterday. It's just a complete shambles it really is, let the loan signings return to their parent clubs because they don't deserve this, and quite frankly there's nothing any of them can do to save us now anyway. Bull4Life
  • Score: 8

10:31am Mon 16 Jun 14

Videoref says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Whilst I have openly stated regrettably it is now time for change we must not forget the club is still in special measures.As far as I am aware that means we can only sign loanees.We cannot sign overseas players so all in all Francis Cummins has been working with his hands tied behind his back.I accept it is his responsibility to motivate the players he has got but it is plainly obvious that maybe 4 or 5 are up to S.L. standard,at least for the bottom 3 teams,but the rest are not.That ,unfortunately is what several years of mismanagement has left us.We are now going to have to live with the fact that next season will be spent in the championship.Hopeful

ly the parachute payment received will be spent wisely and a decent squad assembled to give us a shout in promotion,if it still around by then.Leigh are obviously setting their stall out for promotion but mark my words they will implode,they do not have neither the money nor the backer to succeed in S.L. Featherstone are another club who will be there also.They do have the money and a millionaire backer behind them so in my opinion the Bulls will have to invest very wisely to try to be up there with these two and London who will also receive the parachute payment.The rest you can forget,none of them have the money nor the resources to play in S.L.
Prophecy: The parachute payment will be used to repay an outstanding loan to a Leeds Security company and Bradford Bulls will be sold again next year or disappear into oblivion
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Whilst I have openly stated regrettably it is now time for change we must not forget the club is still in special measures.As far as I am aware that means we can only sign loanees.We cannot sign overseas players so all in all Francis Cummins has been working with his hands tied behind his back.I accept it is his responsibility to motivate the players he has got but it is plainly obvious that maybe 4 or 5 are up to S.L. standard,at least for the bottom 3 teams,but the rest are not.That ,unfortunately is what several years of mismanagement has left us.We are now going to have to live with the fact that next season will be spent in the championship.Hopeful ly the parachute payment received will be spent wisely and a decent squad assembled to give us a shout in promotion,if it still around by then.Leigh are obviously setting their stall out for promotion but mark my words they will implode,they do not have neither the money nor the backer to succeed in S.L. Featherstone are another club who will be there also.They do have the money and a millionaire backer behind them so in my opinion the Bulls will have to invest very wisely to try to be up there with these two and London who will also receive the parachute payment.The rest you can forget,none of them have the money nor the resources to play in S.L.[/p][/quote]Prophecy: The parachute payment will be used to repay an outstanding loan to a Leeds Security company and Bradford Bulls will be sold again next year or disappear into oblivion Videoref
  • Score: 6

10:35am Mon 16 Jun 14

nochanceagain says...

Videoref wrote:
monobrow man wrote: I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.
Elliot Whitehead and John Bateman both improved tremendously this season
hahaha, quite true and Bateman isn't injured every other week anymore!
Why do they never mension Ferguson when he's injured he's almost a phantom making one appearance then nothing for three weeks! Everyone else there's a report post match about their injury!
610 points conceded in 16 games average 38.12!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pride and passion in defense! Lee St Hilaire the best defensive con man in Rugby League history how many years has he presided over our defense and years worth of pay slips in his drawer?
Losing is one thing you can stomach but going and feeling embarrassed during and after each game is something else and I begrudge handing anymore money over to inept people to provide a sub standard product.
You tell us it's a business Marc Green well this is what happens when you try pedal sh**e people stop buying it!
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.[/p][/quote]Elliot Whitehead and John Bateman both improved tremendously this season[/p][/quote]hahaha, quite true and Bateman isn't injured every other week anymore! Why do they never mension Ferguson when he's injured he's almost a phantom making one appearance then nothing for three weeks! Everyone else there's a report post match about their injury! 610 points conceded in 16 games average 38.12!!!!!!!!!!!! Pride and passion in defense! Lee St Hilaire the best defensive con man in Rugby League history how many years has he presided over our defense and years worth of pay slips in his drawer? Losing is one thing you can stomach but going and feeling embarrassed during and after each game is something else and I begrudge handing anymore money over to inept people to provide a sub standard product. You tell us it's a business Marc Green well this is what happens when you try pedal sh**e people stop buying it! nochanceagain
  • Score: 7

10:55am Mon 16 Jun 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

we could be the first Club in SL history to concede a 1000 points at this rate.
we could be the first Club in SL history to concede a 1000 points at this rate. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 4

12:02pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Videoref says...

nochanceagain wrote:
Videoref wrote:
monobrow man wrote: I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.
Elliot Whitehead and John Bateman both improved tremendously this season
hahaha, quite true and Bateman isn't injured every other week anymore!
Why do they never mension Ferguson when he's injured he's almost a phantom making one appearance then nothing for three weeks! Everyone else there's a report post match about their injury!
610 points conceded in 16 games average 38.12!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pride and passion in defense! Lee St Hilaire the best defensive con man in Rugby League history how many years has he presided over our defense and years worth of pay slips in his drawer?
Losing is one thing you can stomach but going and feeling embarrassed during and after each game is something else and I begrudge handing anymore money over to inept people to provide a sub standard product.
You tell us it's a business Marc Green well this is what happens when you try pedal sh**e people stop buying it!
Ferguson has been 'injured' almost since we signed him. I suspect he will stay so until we are relegated so as not to associate himself with a set of losers then appear for last couple of games when his contract is null and void to put himself in the window for a Sl contract somewhere for next season
[quote][p][bold]nochanceagain[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: I understand cummins has had a lot to deal with, but anyone name 1 player who has improved under his coaching.[/p][/quote]Elliot Whitehead and John Bateman both improved tremendously this season[/p][/quote]hahaha, quite true and Bateman isn't injured every other week anymore! Why do they never mension Ferguson when he's injured he's almost a phantom making one appearance then nothing for three weeks! Everyone else there's a report post match about their injury! 610 points conceded in 16 games average 38.12!!!!!!!!!!!! Pride and passion in defense! Lee St Hilaire the best defensive con man in Rugby League history how many years has he presided over our defense and years worth of pay slips in his drawer? Losing is one thing you can stomach but going and feeling embarrassed during and after each game is something else and I begrudge handing anymore money over to inept people to provide a sub standard product. You tell us it's a business Marc Green well this is what happens when you try pedal sh**e people stop buying it![/p][/quote]Ferguson has been 'injured' almost since we signed him. I suspect he will stay so until we are relegated so as not to associate himself with a set of losers then appear for last couple of games when his contract is null and void to put himself in the window for a Sl contract somewhere for next season Videoref
  • Score: 2

12:16pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hello4 says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
I’d like to respectfully suggest to any spokesperson from the Bulls to refrain from issuing any further ‘rallying calls’ to the Fans.
Almost fortuitously, I’ve missed a couple of ‘outstanding’ debacles this season – Wigan and Salford – but caught the Catalans away game and that was bad enough! The Fans have stuck with the team through some major adversity over several seasons, dug deep, and supported through thin and thinner. In half a season, I myself have travelled more than 3100 miles (and that’s much less than some of those I attend matches with). Like most, I can accept defeats especially with weakened and depleted squads, but what I find totally unacceptable is lack of effort and spineless performances by Players who are earning a very decent living supposedly doing something they love doing.
If the Team were unable to lift themselves for the game on Sunday then they need to call it a day with the Bulls! Those whose remit it is to prepare the Players both physically and mentally also need to point their finger inwards to determine their own responsibilities in these tragic events.
Field a Team of Players on Friday that are prepared to run their blood to water and, win or lose, I will support their efforts. Anything less than that will be totally unacceptable, end of!
Players don't care if they win or not end of the day they still get their wages and enjoy their life. As these players already got their mind to go another club.They got no respect for us no point to support them time to move on...
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: I’d like to respectfully suggest to any spokesperson from the Bulls to refrain from issuing any further ‘rallying calls’ to the Fans. Almost fortuitously, I’ve missed a couple of ‘outstanding’ debacles this season – Wigan and Salford – but caught the Catalans away game and that was bad enough! The Fans have stuck with the team through some major adversity over several seasons, dug deep, and supported through thin and thinner. In half a season, I myself have travelled more than 3100 miles (and that’s much less than some of those I attend matches with). Like most, I can accept defeats especially with weakened and depleted squads, but what I find totally unacceptable is lack of effort and spineless performances by Players who are earning a very decent living supposedly doing something they love doing. If the Team were unable to lift themselves for the game on Sunday then they need to call it a day with the Bulls! Those whose remit it is to prepare the Players both physically and mentally also need to point their finger inwards to determine their own responsibilities in these tragic events. Field a Team of Players on Friday that are prepared to run their blood to water and, win or lose, I will support their efforts. Anything less than that will be totally unacceptable, end of![/p][/quote]Players don't care if they win or not end of the day they still get their wages and enjoy their life. As these players already got their mind to go another club.They got no respect for us no point to support them time to move on... Hello4
  • Score: 2

12:36pm Mon 16 Jun 14

bullybullman says...

Hull KR game is on Sky Friday night it will be very interesting to see how low the crowd is ! I would think the gate will sink below the 5k mark. Even the real die hards have just had enough now.

How can Marc Green allow this debarcle to continue if he has any serious hopes for the club to prosper ?
Hull KR game is on Sky Friday night it will be very interesting to see how low the crowd is ! I would think the gate will sink below the 5k mark. Even the real die hards have just had enough now. How can Marc Green allow this debarcle to continue if he has any serious hopes for the club to prosper ? bullybullman
  • Score: 4

12:42pm Mon 16 Jun 14

raisemeup says...

I've lived through many nights of the long knives. with the Bulls and with Northern over the years, but to use a further euphemism, this is the continuing "death of a thousand cuts "
I've lived through many nights of the long knives. with the Bulls and with Northern over the years, but to use a further euphemism, this is the continuing "death of a thousand cuts " raisemeup
  • Score: 2

12:53pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Ackersthebull says...

It's got to the point where, as a long standing season ticket holder, attending matches is now just a social event with mates for me. There is nothing to support at the moment. In many sports it's what happens on the field which gets the crowd going and it just isn't happening.
It's not a case of wanting to change allegiance, as I could never do that, but the product is no good and, like the players recently, I don't think I can be bothered racing around to get there on Friday when it's on TV. Another dire crowd and dire performance in prospect. Bring on mr Green's plan Z, whatever that is.
I used to wait until the fixture list came out before planning holidays or weekends away, but no longer.
The majority, if not all, fans are demoralised. Give us a sniff of change rather than calling on us to support the unsupportable.
It's got to the point where, as a long standing season ticket holder, attending matches is now just a social event with mates for me. There is nothing to support at the moment. In many sports it's what happens on the field which gets the crowd going and it just isn't happening. It's not a case of wanting to change allegiance, as I could never do that, but the product is no good and, like the players recently, I don't think I can be bothered racing around to get there on Friday when it's on TV. Another dire crowd and dire performance in prospect. Bring on mr Green's plan Z, whatever that is. I used to wait until the fixture list came out before planning holidays or weekends away, but no longer. The majority, if not all, fans are demoralised. Give us a sniff of change rather than calling on us to support the unsupportable. Ackersthebull
  • Score: 8

1:06pm Mon 16 Jun 14

BD16 says...

Andybulls wrote:
Funny how people forget that Franny has not had a settled team all year and has had loanees in and out just about every month. What chance does he have of building a settled side? Get used to it, we will be playing Championship rugby next year.
I thought they were playing championship rugby this season.......
[quote][p][bold]Andybulls[/bold] wrote: Funny how people forget that Franny has not had a settled team all year and has had loanees in and out just about every month. What chance does he have of building a settled side? Get used to it, we will be playing Championship rugby next year.[/p][/quote]I thought they were playing championship rugby this season....... BD16
  • Score: 4

1:16pm Mon 16 Jun 14

WBARLFC says...

I dont think threre is any thing wrong wth morale in the team as they all seemed to be happy enough in the Chapel House last night laughing and joking without a care in the world,whilst people who had paid good money to see them couldnt believe it!
I dont think threre is any thing wrong wth morale in the team as they all seemed to be happy enough in the Chapel House last night laughing and joking without a care in the world,whilst people who had paid good money to see them couldnt believe it! WBARLFC
  • Score: 4

1:16pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Yorkshire Windbag says...

Bulls : So poor as a team they'd be down even without the 6 point deduction.

Sad sad sad day.

I blame Caisley.
Bulls : So poor as a team they'd be down even without the 6 point deduction. Sad sad sad day. I blame Caisley. Yorkshire Windbag
  • Score: 5

1:30pm Mon 16 Jun 14

JunctionBull says...

What has happened to Foster? Must be one hell of a fall out. Sure, he cant tackle, but he can kick. With the small squad we have, the boot can get us field position without killing us. If he cant tackle, change the tactics and plug the defencive gap. Other teams do it, not everyone can be good at everything and you coach to fix the short comings. He must have said something pretty bad for Cummings never to pick him, especially when we are so dire and the squat is so small - perhaps he suggested that there may be one or two issues in the coaching and game plan (if we actually have a game plan). Points of principle are all well and good FC, and you dont have to like the guys you work with, but how can we leave key players out? Your replacement clearly isnt working!!!

Swallow your pride and change things or get out. Survival is nigh on impossible and despite the adversity, a lot of this is down to coaching and motivation which appears to be sadly deficient
What has happened to Foster? Must be one hell of a fall out. Sure, he cant tackle, but he can kick. With the small squad we have, the boot can get us field position without killing us. If he cant tackle, change the tactics and plug the defencive gap. Other teams do it, not everyone can be good at everything and you coach to fix the short comings. He must have said something pretty bad for Cummings never to pick him, especially when we are so dire and the squat is so small - perhaps he suggested that there may be one or two issues in the coaching and game plan (if we actually have a game plan). Points of principle are all well and good FC, and you dont have to like the guys you work with, but how can we leave key players out? Your replacement clearly isnt working!!! Swallow your pride and change things or get out. Survival is nigh on impossible and despite the adversity, a lot of this is down to coaching and motivation which appears to be sadly deficient JunctionBull
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Mon 16 Jun 14

axelf1963 says...

Foster too busy on twitter and getting spray tans to worry about rugby
Foster too busy on twitter and getting spray tans to worry about rugby axelf1963
  • Score: 5

3:03pm Mon 16 Jun 14

BirchLane-1964 says...

I can't help but think of a certain documentary from the early 80s featuring Doncaster when watching the bulls these days. Mind you, i'm sure they're making an updated version of it this season with the Bulls and they're calling it 'Yet another Bloody Sunday'! Even the Donny management were optimistic after 40 odd games without a win, so Franny's every right to still be positive!!!!!
I can't help but think of a certain documentary from the early 80s featuring Doncaster when watching the bulls these days. Mind you, i'm sure they're making an updated version of it this season with the Bulls and they're calling it 'Yet another Bloody Sunday'! Even the Donny management were optimistic after 40 odd games without a win, so Franny's every right to still be positive!!!!! BirchLane-1964
  • Score: 2

5:08pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Aldbroughbull1 says...

Just seen that Francis Cummings has been sacked, along with St Hillaire. I think that he has lossed the backing of the players, especially with his comments after the game on Sundays defeat against Salford. To be honest the players never performed against Warrington in the cup, and this has happened in so many games this season. I was hopeful when Francis was appointed as coach, and thought he would make a successof the role, unfortunately he has had a tough time, losing our best players due to financail constraints and especially with so much mismanagement at the club, it was bound to take effect at some stage. I am sorry that things did not work out for him, and wish him well for the future, however as for St Hillaire he should have gone years ago, what was his role, because the defence has been lacking for too long now. Good luck to whoever takes over, they have a massive job on their hands .
It will need someone with the desire to put the club back on its feet, and create a structure that will eventually bring the Bulls back to where they belong. In reality I cannot see us staying in super league this season but always remain optomistic.
Just seen that Francis Cummings has been sacked, along with St Hillaire. I think that he has lossed the backing of the players, especially with his comments after the game on Sundays defeat against Salford. To be honest the players never performed against Warrington in the cup, and this has happened in so many games this season. I was hopeful when Francis was appointed as coach, and thought he would make a successof the role, unfortunately he has had a tough time, losing our best players due to financail constraints and especially with so much mismanagement at the club, it was bound to take effect at some stage. I am sorry that things did not work out for him, and wish him well for the future, however as for St Hillaire he should have gone years ago, what was his role, because the defence has been lacking for too long now. Good luck to whoever takes over, they have a massive job on their hands . It will need someone with the desire to put the club back on its feet, and create a structure that will eventually bring the Bulls back to where they belong. In reality I cannot see us staying in super league this season but always remain optomistic. Aldbroughbull1
  • Score: 2

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