Bradford City plot another raid on loan market for new season

Adam Reach, pictured holding off Peterborough defender Mark Little, was a big hit for City on loan last season

Middlesbrough winger Adam Reach.

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PHIL Parkinson has outlined plans to hit the loan market again for next season.

City's recruitment drive is starting to step up a gear with two new faces – Billy Knott and Gary Liddle – and three contracts done.

Parkinson knows there are still plenty of holes to fill but has to work it round a playing budget that is £500,000 down on last summer.

He is therefore aiming to bolster the squad with long-term loanees – something that is not likely to happen until nearer the start of the new campaign.

He said: "We've got to be patient. Our aim is once pre-season is underway to give a couple of players one-year loans. That's what we are working towards.

"Obviously you have to wait for the clubs of those players to make decisions about them. But there has been an indication of the players we're inquiring about.

"We've let it be known that we are in the running for those players but it's up to what the specific managers decide to do with them.

"Loans can obviously be good value financially, which is important in our situation. It can make a difference to the strength of the squad if you can go out and get that extra bit of quality from the loan market."

City had seven borrowed players at one stage last term because of injuries and the likes of Adam Reach, Kyle Bennett, Adam Drury and Jon Stead all made their mark in ensuring a mid-table finish.

Reach, in particular, stood out with three goals from 18 appearances and Parkinson has hinted that he would love to bring back the Middlesbrough left winger.

But the youngster started Boro's final home game on his return and then came off the bench to set up a goal at Yeovil on the final day. It suggests he may well be in Aitor Karanka's first-team thinking next term.

Someone like Aston Villa winger Jack Grealish, who enjoyed an impressive loan spell with Notts County, could be a target. He was outstanding when City were beaten 3-0 at Meadow Lane on New Year's Day.

Parkinson said: "Ideally you don't want a squad full of loan players. You want a core of your own and that's what we are trying to do at the moment.

"We want to get them in place and then see what we can perhaps bring in on loan in terms of added quality."

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8:13am Fri 13 Jun 14

allannicho says...

Pity we aint got more dough!
Pity we aint got more dough! allannicho
  • Score: -16

8:40am Fri 13 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

I have no problem with using the loan market if it is done effectively. Parkinson has been guilty in the past of bringing in loanees that are worse than what we already have and has brought some in that have barely played at all. Hopefully the budget constraints will mean that money isn't needlessly wasted on such players this season.
I have no problem with using the loan market if it is done effectively. Parkinson has been guilty in the past of bringing in loanees that are worse than what we already have and has brought some in that have barely played at all. Hopefully the budget constraints will mean that money isn't needlessly wasted on such players this season. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -1

9:30am Fri 13 Jun 14

Freddy says...

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I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc.
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The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about.
I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training.
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* I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. * Freddy
  • Score: 3

9:34am Fri 13 Jun 14

Plastic Bantam says...

Freddy wrote:
* I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *
Are you just doing this on purpose now?!
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Are you just doing this on purpose now?! Plastic Bantam
  • Score: -2

9:42am Fri 13 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........ dannbradfc
  • Score: -16

9:50am Fri 13 Jun 14

City86 says...

Only look at loan players in higher divisions that potentially would like to sign at the end of their loan deal.then they're working for something and don't lack commitment/loyalty.
Only look at loan players in higher divisions that potentially would like to sign at the end of their loan deal.then they're working for something and don't lack commitment/loyalty. City86
  • Score: -5

9:53am Fri 13 Jun 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Plastic Bantam wrote:
[He must be. He's even put it in capitals.
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [He must be. He's even put it in capitals. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

9:59am Fri 13 Jun 14

City gent says...

Plastic Bantam wrote:
Freddy wrote:
* I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *
Are you just doing this on purpose now?!
its not half halfmillion its half amillion less than last season.
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Are you just doing this on purpose now?![/p][/quote]its not half halfmillion its half amillion less than last season. City gent
  • Score: 12

10:15am Fri 13 Jun 14

Peter300 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
I have no problem with using the loan market if it is done effectively. Parkinson has been guilty in the past of bringing in loanees that are worse than what we already have and has brought some in that have barely played at all. Hopefully the budget constraints will mean that money isn't needlessly wasted on such players this season.
Only ever expect a negative, downbeat comment from you. There are always going to be players who are not in the side and it was unfortunate what happened with the keeper towards the end of last season. Just about every club in the Football League uses the loan system and most do it effectively. Parky is one of those managers. Not every signing will be a success, but sensible supporters understand that. Others do not.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: I have no problem with using the loan market if it is done effectively. Parkinson has been guilty in the past of bringing in loanees that are worse than what we already have and has brought some in that have barely played at all. Hopefully the budget constraints will mean that money isn't needlessly wasted on such players this season.[/p][/quote]Only ever expect a negative, downbeat comment from you. There are always going to be players who are not in the side and it was unfortunate what happened with the keeper towards the end of last season. Just about every club in the Football League uses the loan system and most do it effectively. Parky is one of those managers. Not every signing will be a success, but sensible supporters understand that. Others do not. Peter300
  • Score: 3

10:21am Fri 13 Jun 14

Peter300 says...

Freddy wrote:
*
I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc.
*
The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about.
I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training.
*
Just the opposite in fact. Most loan players are committed and passionate when they play. They are professionals. Can you not understand that it is completely pointless being committed, loyal and passionate etc. if the player is not up to the standard required. Parky is not being forced into the loan market. He wants to be involved like the oher managers in the FL. I'd keep quiet about the fitness and training because over the past few months its become increasingly evident you have no idea what you are talking about.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Just the opposite in fact. Most loan players are committed and passionate when they play. They are professionals. Can you not understand that it is completely pointless being committed, loyal and passionate etc. if the player is not up to the standard required. Parky is not being forced into the loan market. He wants to be involved like the oher managers in the FL. I'd keep quiet about the fitness and training because over the past few months its become increasingly evident you have no idea what you are talking about. Peter300
  • Score: 1

10:22am Fri 13 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

City gent wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote:
Freddy wrote:
* I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *
Are you just doing this on purpose now?!
its not half halfmillion its half amillion less than last season.
That is what he was alluding to.
[quote][p][bold]City gent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Are you just doing this on purpose now?![/p][/quote]its not half halfmillion its half amillion less than last season.[/p][/quote]That is what he was alluding to. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -3

10:22am Fri 13 Jun 14

Plastic Bantam says...

City gent wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote:
Freddy wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *
Are you just doing this on purpose now?!
its not half halfmillion its half amillion less than last season.
Wouldn't even bother mate... He gets told every time.. Guessing he's doing it on purpose now to get a reaction!
[quote][p][bold]City gent[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Are you just doing this on purpose now?![/p][/quote]its not half halfmillion its half amillion less than last season.[/p][/quote]Wouldn't even bother mate... He gets told every time.. Guessing he's doing it on purpose now to get a reaction! Plastic Bantam
  • Score: 1

10:23am Fri 13 Jun 14

Plastic Bantam says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
So if someone of the calibre of Pritchard became available to loan for the season you wouldn't want us to go for him?
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]So if someone of the calibre of Pritchard became available to loan for the season you wouldn't want us to go for him? Plastic Bantam
  • Score: 7

10:27am Fri 13 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

City86 wrote:
Only look at loan players in higher divisions that potentially would like to sign at the end of their loan deal.then they're working for something and don't lack commitment/loyalty.
Very well put. Andrew Davies springs to mind.

The opposite argument is complacency i.e. anyone tied down to a longer-term deal might switch off. I don't agree with either stand point.

Ultimately, It depends on the attitude of the player concerned and I would argue that Parky has got it right on most occasions.
[quote][p][bold]City86[/bold] wrote: Only look at loan players in higher divisions that potentially would like to sign at the end of their loan deal.then they're working for something and don't lack commitment/loyalty.[/p][/quote]Very well put. Andrew Davies springs to mind. The opposite argument is complacency i.e. anyone tied down to a longer-term deal might switch off. I don't agree with either stand point. Ultimately, It depends on the attitude of the player concerned and I would argue that Parky has got it right on most occasions. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 5

10:28am Fri 13 Jun 14

Peter300 says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
I do not know which planet you are on, but your assessment, if one could call it that, bears no relevance to what actually goes on with the 92 PL and FL clubs. Rotherham, like other successful clubs, used many loan players last season. And I don't see why you have to insult players like Reach, Stead and Drury and question their effort for City. Anyway, you are just going to have to get used to loan players like every other fan.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]I do not know which planet you are on, but your assessment, if one could call it that, bears no relevance to what actually goes on with the 92 PL and FL clubs. Rotherham, like other successful clubs, used many loan players last season. And I don't see why you have to insult players like Reach, Stead and Drury and question their effort for City. Anyway, you are just going to have to get used to loan players like every other fan. Peter300
  • Score: 8

10:35am Fri 13 Jun 14

Peter300 says...

City86 wrote:
Only look at loan players in higher divisions that potentially would like to sign at the end of their loan deal.then they're working for something and don't lack commitment/loyalty.
Most loan players see their move as a great opportunity for first team football and, if they are young, gain valuable experience in a very competitive league. The kind of league where the PL teams want to introduce their 'B' teams. The criticism, for the most part, of loan players is both stupid and ignorant. Not only content with insulting the players, but also insulting every manager in the league. However, this is what these people enjoy doing.
[quote][p][bold]City86[/bold] wrote: Only look at loan players in higher divisions that potentially would like to sign at the end of their loan deal.then they're working for something and don't lack commitment/loyalty.[/p][/quote]Most loan players see their move as a great opportunity for first team football and, if they are young, gain valuable experience in a very competitive league. The kind of league where the PL teams want to introduce their 'B' teams. The criticism, for the most part, of loan players is both stupid and ignorant. Not only content with insulting the players, but also insulting every manager in the league. However, this is what these people enjoy doing. Peter300
  • Score: 1

10:37am Fri 13 Jun 14

rinkydink says...

Freddy wrote:
*
I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc.
*
The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about.
I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training.
*
I think you need to go to specsavers AGAIN as your eye sight is clearly deteriorating..

the above article (along with every other one).. states@

"playing budget that is £500,000 down "

DOWN...

it sunk in yet?

Regardless of whether they're loan players or not.. If they are at a club they will have pre-season training. A lot of "reserve" players get involved in pre-season friendlies and closed doors games so they would be fit.

The issue would be if we signed a player for free at the last minute. THEN we can say there's issues around fitness.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]I think you need to go to specsavers AGAIN as your eye sight is clearly deteriorating.. the above article (along with every other one).. states@ "playing budget that is £500,000 down " DOWN... it sunk in yet? Regardless of whether they're loan players or not.. If they are at a club they will have pre-season training. A lot of "reserve" players get involved in pre-season friendlies and closed doors games so they would be fit. The issue would be if we signed a player for free at the last minute. THEN we can say there's issues around fitness. rinkydink
  • Score: 2

12:55pm Fri 13 Jun 14

jamiejoe says...

Freddy wrote:
* I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *
I think that you will find that our budget is more or less £3 million.

Down half a million.

Not half a million in total.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]I think that you will find that our budget is more or less £3 million. Down half a million. Not half a million in total. jamiejoe
  • Score: 1

12:56pm Fri 13 Jun 14

bcfc mad85 says...

I can't see a major problem with bringing in loan player's as long as they aren't to many pp is not a stupid manager as the budget is down half a million it's a lot of money for a club in our league to lose so you may as well utilise the loan market
I can't see a major problem with bringing in loan player's as long as they aren't to many pp is not a stupid manager as the budget is down half a million it's a lot of money for a club in our league to lose so you may as well utilise the loan market bcfc mad85
  • Score: 2

1:05pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Victor Clayton says...

bcfc mad85 wrote:
I can't see a major problem with bringing in loan player's as long as they aren't to many pp is not a stupid manager as the budget is down half a million it's a lot of money for a club in our league to lose so you may as well utilise the loan market
Agree, it the future, i think.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc mad85[/bold] wrote: I can't see a major problem with bringing in loan player's as long as they aren't to many pp is not a stupid manager as the budget is down half a million it's a lot of money for a club in our league to lose so you may as well utilise the loan market[/p][/quote]Agree, it the future, i think. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 1

2:48pm Fri 13 Jun 14

ever the optimist says...

First of all the player budget is down by £500,000, it is not and I repeat not £500,000. Look North were correct Bradford do have a lot of illiterate people.

Secondly I for one think that loans are a good idea, as already stated in other posts these players are young, hungry and want to succeed. Reach is a typical example, does anyone remember Matthew Etherington what a loan signing he was, if we get signings of that caliber it's promotion all the way.
First of all the player budget is down by £500,000, it is not and I repeat not £500,000. Look North were correct Bradford do have a lot of illiterate people. Secondly I for one think that loans are a good idea, as already stated in other posts these players are young, hungry and want to succeed. Reach is a typical example, does anyone remember Matthew Etherington what a loan signing he was, if we get signings of that caliber it's promotion all the way. ever the optimist
  • Score: 1

3:16pm Fri 13 Jun 14

park bantam says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget park bantam
  • Score: 2

3:50pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Nevelhound says...

Freddy wrote:
* I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *
Can't some people understand what they read. The budget is 500k less than last year not 500k in total. People are forever misquoting the figure. Take the time to read properly if you are going to comment otherwise your comments are worthless.
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Can't some people understand what they read. The budget is 500k less than last year not 500k in total. People are forever misquoting the figure. Take the time to read properly if you are going to comment otherwise your comments are worthless. Nevelhound
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Baby Bantam says...

Freddy wrote:
*
I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc.
*
The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about.
I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training.
*
Oh sweet Jesus, for the hundredth time. The budget is NOT! £500,000 it has been CUT! By £500,000, bringing in a few loans in a good idea because it gives us time to save our money Which is NOT! £500,000 so we can get sed players on a permanent deal and we get a very got look at them to see is there good enough
[quote][p][bold]Freddy[/bold] wrote: * I have several reservations concerning loan players. Loyalty, passion, commitment, lack of match fitness, not used by their respective club managers, etc. * The Half Million Player Budget is insufficient, as I have previously commented about. I also feel 'Parky ' is being forced into the loan market , and I wish him well. Parky has great player assessment ability, but you need these players for pre-season fitness training. *[/p][/quote]Oh sweet Jesus, for the hundredth time. The budget is NOT! £500,000 it has been CUT! By £500,000, bringing in a few loans in a good idea because it gives us time to save our money Which is NOT! £500,000 so we can get sed players on a permanent deal and we get a very got look at them to see is there good enough Baby Bantam
  • Score: 3

11:36pm Fri 13 Jun 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

And Etherington is availaible on a free now.
Does anyone remember his dad?
And Etherington is availaible on a free now. Does anyone remember his dad? Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 0

1:25am Sat 14 Jun 14

Melbourne Bantam says...

Regarding signings, James Meredith currently in Melbourne and I got the word he was speaking to Melbourne City (Heart).
As much as I would love to see him here, hope its not true, as he looks much more dapper in the claret and amber
Regarding signings, James Meredith currently in Melbourne and I got the word he was speaking to Melbourne City (Heart). As much as I would love to see him here, hope its not true, as he looks much more dapper in the claret and amber Melbourne Bantam
  • Score: 0

10:54am Mon 16 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

Plastic Bantam wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
So if someone of the calibre of Pritchard became available to loan for the season you wouldn't want us to go for him?
thats one player and you obviously don't get it.......

Pritchard was necessary due to Reids injury. This is what loans should be for as i state should you read correctly.

Secondly what about the loans we barely played? Atkinson for instance??
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]So if someone of the calibre of Pritchard became available to loan for the season you wouldn't want us to go for him?[/p][/quote]thats one player and you obviously don't get it....... Pritchard was necessary due to Reids injury. This is what loans should be for as i state should you read correctly. Secondly what about the loans we barely played? Atkinson for instance?? dannbradfc
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10:57am Mon 16 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

park bantam wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget
Again read the post.......

I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....
[quote][p][bold]park bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget[/p][/quote]Again read the post....... I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans.... dannbradfc
  • Score: 0

11:11am Mon 16 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
So if someone of the calibre of Pritchard became available to loan for the season you wouldn't want us to go for him?
thats one player and you obviously don't get it.......

Pritchard was necessary due to Reids injury. This is what loans should be for as i state should you read correctly.

Secondly what about the loans we barely played? Atkinson for instance??
sorry obviously should have said Reach.......

Pritchard was fantastic and it would be a joy to see him but for every pritchard there as been a failure......remembe
r Reed?? came here for one month when we already had cover and played (not very well) in front of our own players (e.g. Jones). We brought in defenders when we already ahd McHugh and Oliver.....in these instances its a waste of resources imo.....

reach and Drury were the perfect example of using the loan market how it should be.......

Watching pritchard would be enjoyable but he could be called back at any time etc. A i actually state - year long loans offer a different scenario but i quote myself as clearly many on here don't read posts correctly before sounding off i'd "much rather support our own players".....
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]So if someone of the calibre of Pritchard became available to loan for the season you wouldn't want us to go for him?[/p][/quote]thats one player and you obviously don't get it....... Pritchard was necessary due to Reids injury. This is what loans should be for as i state should you read correctly. Secondly what about the loans we barely played? Atkinson for instance??[/p][/quote]sorry obviously should have said Reach....... Pritchard was fantastic and it would be a joy to see him but for every pritchard there as been a failure......remembe r Reed?? came here for one month when we already had cover and played (not very well) in front of our own players (e.g. Jones). We brought in defenders when we already ahd McHugh and Oliver.....in these instances its a waste of resources imo..... reach and Drury were the perfect example of using the loan market how it should be....... Watching pritchard would be enjoyable but he could be called back at any time etc. A i actually state - year long loans offer a different scenario but i quote myself as clearly many on here don't read posts correctly before sounding off i'd "much rather support our own players"..... dannbradfc
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11:21am Mon 16 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

dannbradfc wrote:
park bantam wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget
Again read the post.......

I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....
Your post states "a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doesn't sit right".

I don't know if it is the way you have worded it but you give the impression that you are frowning on all loan arrangements.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]park bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget[/p][/quote]Again read the post....... I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....[/p][/quote]Your post states "a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doesn't sit right". I don't know if it is the way you have worded it but you give the impression that you are frowning on all loan arrangements. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -3

9:19am Tue 17 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
park bantam wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget
Again read the post.......

I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....
Your post states "a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doesn't sit right".

I don't know if it is the way you have worded it but you give the impression that you are frowning on all loan arrangements.
Michael

Even when you quote me you've don't appear to get it. I appreciate the necessity of loans when required to cover injury and suspension. I am not keen on using other clubs players at all and think long term loans should be quashed throughout the league. Its open to abuse E.G. Watford. Greg Dyke will argue that it gives players experience but not all these loans are English anyway. Take watford again and they loaned a team of mostly foreign players and reached the play-offs.

I'd actually abandon the transfer window altogether during the actual season. It would stop clubs buying they're way out of trouble or to glory. It would also prevent some clubs spemding in desperation thus endangering their club longer term. This would enable clubs to make better use of their youth system if required.

For every Reach there are some players who go out on loan to get fit. (forget his name but we took a Bolton forward once who merely jogged around the pitch and simply didn't try).

Without seemingly any buying power the loan option appeals to chairman who don't want to spend money. However they are also foregoing the potential of finding a Nahki and been entitiled to a transfer fee.

The uncerntainty of loans leads me to not approve of them. As i say in the quote you use it doesn't sit right with me. I wouldn't be surprised to see some clubs do away with contracts altogether one day in the future and basically pay players to play for them for odd games. Not as delusional as it sounds. Only stopping block would be the players who want the security of a contract, cake and eat it.

Imagine cheering on 4 or five players from l**ds every week who once playing well get called back etc ....its not for me. We spent 6 years in the basement division trying to use the loan system and the one season we abandon this we get promoted. Coincidence? i think not........
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]park bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget[/p][/quote]Again read the post....... I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....[/p][/quote]Your post states "a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doesn't sit right". I don't know if it is the way you have worded it but you give the impression that you are frowning on all loan arrangements.[/p][/quote]Michael Even when you quote me you've don't appear to get it. I appreciate the necessity of loans when required to cover injury and suspension. I am not keen on using other clubs players at all and think long term loans should be quashed throughout the league. Its open to abuse E.G. Watford. Greg Dyke will argue that it gives players experience but not all these loans are English anyway. Take watford again and they loaned a team of mostly foreign players and reached the play-offs. I'd actually abandon the transfer window altogether during the actual season. It would stop clubs buying they're way out of trouble or to glory. It would also prevent some clubs spemding in desperation thus endangering their club longer term. This would enable clubs to make better use of their youth system if required. For every Reach there are some players who go out on loan to get fit. (forget his name but we took a Bolton forward once who merely jogged around the pitch and simply didn't try). Without seemingly any buying power the loan option appeals to chairman who don't want to spend money. However they are also foregoing the potential of finding a Nahki and been entitiled to a transfer fee. The uncerntainty of loans leads me to not approve of them. As i say in the quote you use it doesn't sit right with me. I wouldn't be surprised to see some clubs do away with contracts altogether one day in the future and basically pay players to play for them for odd games. Not as delusional as it sounds. Only stopping block would be the players who want the security of a contract, cake and eat it. Imagine cheering on 4 or five players from l**ds every week who once playing well get called back etc ....its not for me. We spent 6 years in the basement division trying to use the loan system and the one season we abandon this we get promoted. Coincidence? i think not........ dannbradfc
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11:13am Tue 17 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

dannbradfc wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
park bantam wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
Agreed Farsley....

I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence.

All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley.

To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing.....

Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........
He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget
Again read the post.......

I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....
Your post states "a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doesn't sit right".

I don't know if it is the way you have worded it but you give the impression that you are frowning on all loan arrangements.
Michael

Even when you quote me you've don't appear to get it. I appreciate the necessity of loans when required to cover injury and suspension. I am not keen on using other clubs players at all and think long term loans should be quashed throughout the league. Its open to abuse E.G. Watford. Greg Dyke will argue that it gives players experience but not all these loans are English anyway. Take watford again and they loaned a team of mostly foreign players and reached the play-offs.

I'd actually abandon the transfer window altogether during the actual season. It would stop clubs buying they're way out of trouble or to glory. It would also prevent some clubs spemding in desperation thus endangering their club longer term. This would enable clubs to make better use of their youth system if required.

For every Reach there are some players who go out on loan to get fit. (forget his name but we took a Bolton forward once who merely jogged around the pitch and simply didn't try).

Without seemingly any buying power the loan option appeals to chairman who don't want to spend money. However they are also foregoing the potential of finding a Nahki and been entitiled to a transfer fee.

The uncerntainty of loans leads me to not approve of them. As i say in the quote you use it doesn't sit right with me. I wouldn't be surprised to see some clubs do away with contracts altogether one day in the future and basically pay players to play for them for odd games. Not as delusional as it sounds. Only stopping block would be the players who want the security of a contract, cake and eat it.

Imagine cheering on 4 or five players from l**ds every week who once playing well get called back etc ....its not for me. We spent 6 years in the basement division trying to use the loan system and the one season we abandon this we get promoted. Coincidence? i think not........
As you will appreciate, I wanted to ensure that I understood you. Thanks.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]park bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: Agreed Farsley.... I don't like the sound of this. The loan market should only be used to cover injuries. To already be thinking this way is wrong imo.......look at the evidence. All those years of using 40+ players getting no where fast. Then we finally get a smaller squad of our own players with team spirit and cohesiveness and we get promoted and reach wembley. To start a campaign with loans and then potentially using more as cover is disappointing..... Much rather support our OWN players. Too many loans come for ulterior motives such as merely getting fit. I appreciate a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doiesn't sit right........[/p][/quote]He is talking about season long loans which is a different matter altogether.It is just like signing a player on a season long contract. and it is a very efficient way if getting value for money from the budget[/p][/quote]Again read the post....... I state that a year long loan does offer a different criteria to the usual loans....[/p][/quote]Your post states "a year long loan offers some sort of committment but it just doesn't sit right". I don't know if it is the way you have worded it but you give the impression that you are frowning on all loan arrangements.[/p][/quote]Michael Even when you quote me you've don't appear to get it. I appreciate the necessity of loans when required to cover injury and suspension. I am not keen on using other clubs players at all and think long term loans should be quashed throughout the league. Its open to abuse E.G. Watford. Greg Dyke will argue that it gives players experience but not all these loans are English anyway. Take watford again and they loaned a team of mostly foreign players and reached the play-offs. I'd actually abandon the transfer window altogether during the actual season. It would stop clubs buying they're way out of trouble or to glory. It would also prevent some clubs spemding in desperation thus endangering their club longer term. This would enable clubs to make better use of their youth system if required. For every Reach there are some players who go out on loan to get fit. (forget his name but we took a Bolton forward once who merely jogged around the pitch and simply didn't try). Without seemingly any buying power the loan option appeals to chairman who don't want to spend money. However they are also foregoing the potential of finding a Nahki and been entitiled to a transfer fee. The uncerntainty of loans leads me to not approve of them. As i say in the quote you use it doesn't sit right with me. I wouldn't be surprised to see some clubs do away with contracts altogether one day in the future and basically pay players to play for them for odd games. Not as delusional as it sounds. Only stopping block would be the players who want the security of a contract, cake and eat it. Imagine cheering on 4 or five players from l**ds every week who once playing well get called back etc ....its not for me. We spent 6 years in the basement division trying to use the loan system and the one season we abandon this we get promoted. Coincidence? i think not........[/p][/quote]As you will appreciate, I wanted to ensure that I understood you. Thanks. Michael Clayton
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