Size matters in Bradford City player pursuit

FAN POWER: Players are tempted to sign for City because of the fantastic atmosphere provided by the bumper Bantams crowd

FAN POWER: Players are tempted to sign for City because of the fantastic atmosphere provided by the bumper Bantams crowd

First published in Sport Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford City Reporter

David Baldwin insists the Valley Parade faithful have retained their pulling power as City topped 12,000 in advanced ticket sales for next season.

Director of operations Baldwin believes the size and noise of the home crowds remain a magnet for attracting new recruits.

City have sold 12,039 season tickets and flexicards during the early-bird phase – which saw prices frozen from last term.

The Bantams boasted the third highest home support in League One in 2013/14 and Baldwin believes that consistency of backing is a key weapon for Phil Parkinson’s squad revamp.

City last week beat Port Vale for Billy Knott’s signature and are thought to be pursuing former Notts County midfielder Gary Liddle.

Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now.

“They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents.

“They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect.

“A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation.

“It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers.

“The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove.

“It’s no surprise that in the run-up to the Capital One Cup final and the awful weather during that time, we were still able to train every day on a brand spanking new synthetic pitch there. That comes from money that can be provided from other incomes because the playing budget is covered by the season-ticket sales.”

This will be the eighth successive campaign that City have stuck with the cut-price offer – and the current sales figure, made up of 9,464 season tickets and 2,575 flexi-cards, will encourage them to carry on.

It is less than this time last year – season tickets are about 500 down – but well within the club’s estimate. Baldwin stressed once again that the turnstile cash provides Parkinson’s player budget.

He added: “It looks like a bit of a strapline to call the crowd the 12th man but it genuinely is. Ultimately it dictates the tone of the season.

“All the general expenditure goes on the running of the football club. The corporate money, the commercial money, the Sky money all pay for the operational costs like the ground maintenance, the rent, rates, travelling expenses and so on.

“The reality is that the money going through the turnstiles is near enough a direct reflection of the manager’s player budget.

“Obviously we top it up a bit but that figure we raise from ticket sales is pretty much where we can set the budget.”

Season-ticket prices have now gone up by £100 to £299 for adults. Flexi-cards are no longer available.

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8:16am Wed 4 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Nice in the era of dodgy foreign owners vanity projects and financial mismanagement to have a model club and one which stands on it own feet
Nice in the era of dodgy foreign owners vanity projects and financial mismanagement to have a model club and one which stands on it own feet whisky1
  • Score: 47

8:22am Wed 4 Jun 14

Size3_ says...

I am all too aware that Size matters.....especial
ly when the Size is 3 ;o)
I am all too aware that Size matters.....especial ly when the Size is 3 ;o) Size3_
  • Score: -12

8:31am Wed 4 Jun 14

wakefieldbantam says...

Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB!
Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB! wakefieldbantam
  • Score: 20

10:57am Wed 4 Jun 14

shaun from richmond says...

Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY..
.I think the figures are POOR!.
.£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?.
Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!. shaun from richmond
  • Score: -56

11:21am Wed 4 Jun 14

bcfc1903 says...

To be only 500 season tickets down compared to the total following BCFC's two Wembley appearances is quite frankly incredible, add to that the fact that the season ticket sales will increase as the summer progresses and it's a staggering season ticket total that will eventually be gotten. I was critical of a couple of decisions taken last season but all in all the club is in very safe hands. Well done to all involved, great job!!!!!
To be only 500 season tickets down compared to the total following BCFC's two Wembley appearances is quite frankly incredible, add to that the fact that the season ticket sales will increase as the summer progresses and it's a staggering season ticket total that will eventually be gotten. I was critical of a couple of decisions taken last season but all in all the club is in very safe hands. Well done to all involved, great job!!!!! bcfc1903
  • Score: 24

11:28am Wed 4 Jun 14

BCFCBoothy1 says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY..

.I think the figures are POOR!.
.£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?.
Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
Give it a rest, constant criticism from you - its boring!
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]Give it a rest, constant criticism from you - its boring! BCFCBoothy1
  • Score: 29

11:43am Wed 4 Jun 14

Bantam Dubai says...

Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now.

“They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents.

“They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect.

“A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation.

“It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers.

“The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove.

Dave are you telling us that Money is not the number 1 motivating factor in getting a player through the door......!! do me a favour....!!
Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now. “They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents. “They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect. “A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation. “It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers. “The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove. Dave are you telling us that Money is not the number 1 motivating factor in getting a player through the door......!! do me a favour....!! Bantam Dubai
  • Score: -11

12:48pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Size3_ says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY..

.I think the figures are POOR!.
.£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?.
Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
Don't you ever get bored of your rubbish?
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]Don't you ever get bored of your rubbish? Size3_
  • Score: 16

12:55pm Wed 4 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
How to make a tit of yersen in one easy lesson
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]How to make a tit of yersen in one easy lesson whisky1
  • Score: 17

1:19pm Wed 4 Jun 14

militarybantam says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY..

.I think the figures are POOR!.
.£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?.
Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
You really are a sad little man. Can't you for once be positive about the team you say apparently 'support'? If you've not got nothing useful or meaningful to bring to the table then don't bother at all. No one is interested in your quite frankly ridiculous and attention seeking posts. Do us all a favour and give it a rest!
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]You really are a sad little man. Can't you for once be positive about the team you say apparently 'support'? If you've not got nothing useful or meaningful to bring to the table then don't bother at all. No one is interested in your quite frankly ridiculous and attention seeking posts. Do us all a favour and give it a rest! militarybantam
  • Score: 14

1:24pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Waynus1971 says...

wakefieldbantam wrote:
Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB!
I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported?

We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices.

Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates???

The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham??

For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices
[quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB![/p][/quote]I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported? We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices. Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates??? The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham?? For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices Waynus1971
  • Score: -1

1:35pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Waynus1971 says...

Bantam Dubai wrote:
Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now.

“They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents.

“They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect.

“A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation.

“It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers.

“The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove.

Dave are you telling us that Money is not the number 1 motivating factor in getting a player through the door......!! do me a favour....!!
Not sure why you are getting the thumbs down- most surely agree.

Didn't Baldwin himself claim that Wells left because Town could give him Championship wages? Don't remember it being about their stadium or crowd size!
[quote][p][bold]Bantam Dubai[/bold] wrote: Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now. “They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents. “They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect. “A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation. “It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers. “The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove. Dave are you telling us that Money is not the number 1 motivating factor in getting a player through the door......!! do me a favour....!![/p][/quote]Not sure why you are getting the thumbs down- most surely agree. Didn't Baldwin himself claim that Wells left because Town could give him Championship wages? Don't remember it being about their stadium or crowd size! Waynus1971
  • Score: -7

1:39pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Waynus1971 says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY..

.I think the figures are POOR!.
.£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?.
Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
Although I agree with the sentiment that we should be worried that sales are down from last season, I'm not sure why Baldwin is to blame?

Twelve months ago, our fans had to shell out for a ST despite already shelling out for 2x trips to Wembley. Our fans haven't had that additional expense, yet sales are down. Doesn't Cameron keep telling us that things are easier than they were 12mths ago????
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]Although I agree with the sentiment that we should be worried that sales are down from last season, I'm not sure why Baldwin is to blame? Twelve months ago, our fans had to shell out for a ST despite already shelling out for 2x trips to Wembley. Our fans haven't had that additional expense, yet sales are down. Doesn't Cameron keep telling us that things are easier than they were 12mths ago???? Waynus1971
  • Score: -8

1:48pm Wed 4 Jun 14

wakefieldbantam says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote:
Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB!
I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported?

We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices.

Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates???

The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham??

For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices
You maybe right Waynus were I think we have made a mistake is we should have had small price increases over the years so the price would now be around £230 - £250 which would still be very cheap. As for MK Dons and Rotherham don't think they've got that bigger fan base to attract many more, also Rotherham's ground capacity is only 12,000 so looks like they've slipped up there unless their chairman's now going to build them another ground and bin the one they now love so much!
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB![/p][/quote]I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported? We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices. Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates??? The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham?? For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices[/p][/quote]You maybe right Waynus were I think we have made a mistake is we should have had small price increases over the years so the price would now be around £230 - £250 which would still be very cheap. As for MK Dons and Rotherham don't think they've got that bigger fan base to attract many more, also Rotherham's ground capacity is only 12,000 so looks like they've slipped up there unless their chairman's now going to build them another ground and bin the one they now love so much! wakefieldbantam
  • Score: 7

1:55pm Wed 4 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
shaun from richmond wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
Although I agree with the sentiment that we should be worried that sales are down from last season, I'm not sure why Baldwin is to blame? Twelve months ago, our fans had to shell out for a ST despite already shelling out for 2x trips to Wembley. Our fans haven't had that additional expense, yet sales are down. Doesn't Cameron keep telling us that things are easier than they were 12mths ago????
Its a good performance on any sensible view..sales were always likely to drop after a season of consolidation and following the euphoria of 2013 . Affordable footy for those who have traditionally followed football and a business model which is sustainable financially in the long term. It provides fans with absolute clarity as to where there Season Ticket money goes and the knowledge that they are directly contributing to the playing budget . Its a good news story with little qualification unless you are looking for problems. Stay positive support your club and those who run it and ENJOY the journey
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]Although I agree with the sentiment that we should be worried that sales are down from last season, I'm not sure why Baldwin is to blame? Twelve months ago, our fans had to shell out for a ST despite already shelling out for 2x trips to Wembley. Our fans haven't had that additional expense, yet sales are down. Doesn't Cameron keep telling us that things are easier than they were 12mths ago????[/p][/quote]Its a good performance on any sensible view..sales were always likely to drop after a season of consolidation and following the euphoria of 2013 . Affordable footy for those who have traditionally followed football and a business model which is sustainable financially in the long term. It provides fans with absolute clarity as to where there Season Ticket money goes and the knowledge that they are directly contributing to the playing budget . Its a good news story with little qualification unless you are looking for problems. Stay positive support your club and those who run it and ENJOY the journey whisky1
  • Score: 10

2:08pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Bantam Dubai says...

Waynus1971 wrote:
Bantam Dubai wrote:
Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now.

“They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents.

“They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect.

“A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation.

“It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers.

“The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove.

Dave are you telling us that Money is not the number 1 motivating factor in getting a player through the door......!! do me a favour....!!
Not sure why you are getting the thumbs down- most surely agree.

Didn't Baldwin himself claim that Wells left because Town could give him Championship wages? Don't remember it being about their stadium or crowd size!
It's all about money..... Lets face it unless a player or agent knows what's on offer as far as wages go. The player isn't gonna set foot through the door..... Don't get me wrong I love city, more than anything, people who read this who know who I am, will agree..... All the point's that Dave raises put us above most in this division and some of the teams in the division above... But lets face it.... Say we offer player X £2500 a week and Yeovil offer £3000 do you think the ground, fan base, training facility's are going to make any difference. Money talks in football now...... End off...!! There are the odd exceptions Davis for one, & Jones for another. However they are few and far between..... Well's had his head turned by the money at Town, and when somebody else comes a knocking he'll be off again.... It will be the same for Darb's & Meredith during this close season. We as supporters think they owe us to sign the contracts that are on offer, The reality is they will go where the money is. If there is not much between the offers on the table, of course then all the point's raised by Dave will become a factor.
[quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantam Dubai[/bold] wrote: Baldwin said: “There are three things that appeal to a player coming to the club now. “They look at the stadium first and foremost because that is the platform where they can showcase their talents. “They also get the information about the volume of noise and the number of fans that you can expect. “A lot of players who we talk to me have been here before with an opposing team. So they will have seen for themselves the situation. “It really just cements their desire to come when we can tell them we are still achieving those numbers. “The third key area is the training ground facility. We were a bit embarrassed ten years ago but now we’re proud of what is available through our link with Woodhouse Grove. Dave are you telling us that Money is not the number 1 motivating factor in getting a player through the door......!! do me a favour....!![/p][/quote]Not sure why you are getting the thumbs down- most surely agree. Didn't Baldwin himself claim that Wells left because Town could give him Championship wages? Don't remember it being about their stadium or crowd size![/p][/quote]It's all about money..... Lets face it unless a player or agent knows what's on offer as far as wages go. The player isn't gonna set foot through the door..... Don't get me wrong I love city, more than anything, people who read this who know who I am, will agree..... All the point's that Dave raises put us above most in this division and some of the teams in the division above... But lets face it.... Say we offer player X £2500 a week and Yeovil offer £3000 do you think the ground, fan base, training facility's are going to make any difference. Money talks in football now...... End off...!! There are the odd exceptions Davis for one, & Jones for another. However they are few and far between..... Well's had his head turned by the money at Town, and when somebody else comes a knocking he'll be off again.... It will be the same for Darb's & Meredith during this close season. We as supporters think they owe us to sign the contracts that are on offer, The reality is they will go where the money is. If there is not much between the offers on the table, of course then all the point's raised by Dave will become a factor. Bantam Dubai
  • Score: -4

2:12pm Wed 4 Jun 14

torreyman says...

Yes I really think BC could have put another 10 pounds on the season tickets at least nothing stays the same price just have a walk around the Supermarkets !!!!
Yes I really think BC could have put another 10 pounds on the season tickets at least nothing stays the same price just have a walk around the Supermarkets !!!! torreyman
  • Score: 5

2:42pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

wakefieldbantam wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote:
Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB!
I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported?

We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices.

Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates???

The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham??

For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices
You maybe right Waynus were I think we have made a mistake is we should have had small price increases over the years so the price would now be around £230 - £250 which would still be very cheap. As for MK Dons and Rotherham don't think they've got that bigger fan base to attract many more, also Rotherham's ground capacity is only 12,000 so looks like they've slipped up there unless their chairman's now going to build them another ground and bin the one they now love so much!
Setting a pricing structure that includes season tickets, Flexi-Cards and match day tickets (and all relevant concessions) must be thought through very carefully.

I would be generally in favour of a price increase. However, the added factor of the Flexi-Card does present an extra dynamic. If the cost of any of the options is altered, the value of the others are automatically skewed.
[quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB![/p][/quote]I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported? We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices. Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates??? The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham?? For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices[/p][/quote]You maybe right Waynus were I think we have made a mistake is we should have had small price increases over the years so the price would now be around £230 - £250 which would still be very cheap. As for MK Dons and Rotherham don't think they've got that bigger fan base to attract many more, also Rotherham's ground capacity is only 12,000 so looks like they've slipped up there unless their chairman's now going to build them another ground and bin the one they now love so much![/p][/quote]Setting a pricing structure that includes season tickets, Flexi-Cards and match day tickets (and all relevant concessions) must be thought through very carefully. I would be generally in favour of a price increase. However, the added factor of the Flexi-Card does present an extra dynamic. If the cost of any of the options is altered, the value of the others are automatically skewed. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 1

3:13pm Wed 4 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote:
Waynus1971 wrote:
wakefieldbantam wrote: Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB!
I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported? We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices. Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates??? The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham?? For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices
You maybe right Waynus were I think we have made a mistake is we should have had small price increases over the years so the price would now be around £230 - £250 which would still be very cheap. As for MK Dons and Rotherham don't think they've got that bigger fan base to attract many more, also Rotherham's ground capacity is only 12,000 so looks like they've slipped up there unless their chairman's now going to build them another ground and bin the one they now love so much!
Setting a pricing structure that includes season tickets, Flexi-Cards and match day tickets (and all relevant concessions) must be thought through very carefully. I would be generally in favour of a price increase. However, the added factor of the Flexi-Card does present an extra dynamic. If the cost of any of the options is altered, the value of the others are automatically skewed.
Football clubs do not have to fleece their fans to succeed. We are getting used to being ripped off and not just in football. You only have to look at the German Leagues to see that football clubs can prosper without fans paying through the nose for their support. It is a fine line for the club to tread but I my view they are getting it right
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Waynus1971[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: Positive news and again further proof to the people who think otherwise on this site, that in this division we are a BIG CLUB![/p][/quote]I'm all for some positivity, but are we REALLY that well supported? We were the 3rd highest supported team but the 2nd cheapest season ticket prices. Sheff Utd's cheapest ST was more than 50% dearer than ours, as was MK Dons. Both PNE and Rotherham fans paid 70% more for their cheapest STs than us. If their crowds increased by the same percentage, wouldn't they all have higher gates??? The last time we were in this league, we only averaged 8,694; but that was on full priced season tickets. If we increased our prices by 50% (to fall in line with other clubs) wouldn't our actual crowds be closer to that figure? If we increased the CHEAPEST price to £350, would we even get as many fans as Rotherham?? For a city our size, with the catchment areas, I think we should be getting crowds well over 15,000 at our prices[/p][/quote]You maybe right Waynus were I think we have made a mistake is we should have had small price increases over the years so the price would now be around £230 - £250 which would still be very cheap. As for MK Dons and Rotherham don't think they've got that bigger fan base to attract many more, also Rotherham's ground capacity is only 12,000 so looks like they've slipped up there unless their chairman's now going to build them another ground and bin the one they now love so much![/p][/quote]Setting a pricing structure that includes season tickets, Flexi-Cards and match day tickets (and all relevant concessions) must be thought through very carefully. I would be generally in favour of a price increase. However, the added factor of the Flexi-Card does present an extra dynamic. If the cost of any of the options is altered, the value of the others are automatically skewed.[/p][/quote]Football clubs do not have to fleece their fans to succeed. We are getting used to being ripped off and not just in football. You only have to look at the German Leagues to see that football clubs can prosper without fans paying through the nose for their support. It is a fine line for the club to tread but I my view they are getting it right whisky1
  • Score: 12

3:40pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Take the flexicards out of the equation and the sales on tickets look pretty dismal. Maybe people with a flexi go six to ten games a season do ot is poor. With the boring long ball game then it's bound to put people off.
I think Baldwin should have kept quiet.
Take the flexicards out of the equation and the sales on tickets look pretty dismal. Maybe people with a flexi go six to ten games a season do ot is poor. With the boring long ball game then it's bound to put people off. I think Baldwin should have kept quiet. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -12

4:04pm Wed 4 Jun 14

we'recitynotbradford says...

shaun from richmond wrote:
Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY..

.I think the figures are POOR!.
.£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?.
Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.
If only we were 501 down... I assume you go to the games?
[quote][p][bold]shaun from richmond[/bold] wrote: Season tickets 500 down on last year??.....FRANKLY.. .I think the figures are POOR!. .£200, for a season ticket!....AND SALES ARE DOWN!?. Rather than "Crowing" about the wonderful uptake?...Baldwin should be brought to task about the decrease!.[/p][/quote]If only we were 501 down... I assume you go to the games? we'recitynotbradford
  • Score: 10

4:08pm Wed 4 Jun 14

lawsonio123 says...

there is a lot of people without jobs in the City People who cannot afford a season ticket a increased price The Board are aware of this and to give them credit price accordingly to help these supporters As the situation gets better as regards employment in the City prices can then increase At present I think we do very well as regards support
there is a lot of people without jobs in the City People who cannot afford a season ticket a increased price The Board are aware of this and to give them credit price accordingly to help these supporters As the situation gets better as regards employment in the City prices can then increase At present I think we do very well as regards support lawsonio123
  • Score: 5

4:37pm Wed 4 Jun 14

audal says...

that's 500 xmas presents not received last dec. then
that's 500 xmas presents not received last dec. then audal
  • Score: 0

5:19pm Wed 4 Jun 14

macca1969 says...

Personally I think the club have done a magnificent job in keeping costs down and trying everything possible to make football affordable too us all. It was always going to drop off this season as people will have jumped on the joyouswWembley outings, but found out like the rest of us that isn't the norm. We should all applaud our board and not condem them like some idiots on here. As for the comments about Cameron saying it's easier what idiot believes a word that muppet says!!!!! Might have the gloom being lifted in the south east but the rest of the country and especially Bradford is still on uts knees.
Personally I think the club have done a magnificent job in keeping costs down and trying everything possible to make football affordable too us all. It was always going to drop off this season as people will have jumped on the joyouswWembley outings, but found out like the rest of us that isn't the norm. We should all applaud our board and not condem them like some idiots on here. As for the comments about Cameron saying it's easier what idiot believes a word that muppet says!!!!! Might have the gloom being lifted in the south east but the rest of the country and especially Bradford is still on uts knees. macca1969
  • Score: 8

7:22pm Wed 4 Jun 14

Bantambhoy says...

audal wrote:
that's 500 xmas presents not received last dec. then
Season tickets didn't go on sale until March. Maybe that is the reason?
[quote][p][bold]audal[/bold] wrote: that's 500 xmas presents not received last dec. then[/p][/quote]Season tickets didn't go on sale until March. Maybe that is the reason? Bantambhoy
  • Score: 1

4:17pm Thu 5 Jun 14

basil fawlty says...

Based on a slightly disappointing season last time after a good start I think the ticket sales are excellent and haven't tailed off as much as I feared. It looks like we're already guaranteed around 13000 fans for every game, but with more derby games and maybe a better go at the play-offs we should be capable of averaging 15000. That would be a great achievement when you consider that the club is only in football's third tier, was on the decline for 10 years and spent 6 seasons in the basement division.
Based on a slightly disappointing season last time after a good start I think the ticket sales are excellent and haven't tailed off as much as I feared. It looks like we're already guaranteed around 13000 fans for every game, but with more derby games and maybe a better go at the play-offs we should be capable of averaging 15000. That would be a great achievement when you consider that the club is only in football's third tier, was on the decline for 10 years and spent 6 seasons in the basement division. basil fawlty
  • Score: 5

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