Rory McArdle signs contract to stay with Bradford City for another three years

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Rory McArdle has signed a three-year contract Rory McArdle has signed a three-year contract

Rory McArdle has today signed a new three-year deal with City.

The Northern Ireland international became the first of the out-of-contract players to pledge his future to the club.

Centre half McArdle has made 99 appearances for the Bantams since joining two summers ago, scoring seven goals including one at Wembley in last season’s play-off final. He is now contracted to the club until the end of June 2017.

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4:12pm Mon 19 May 14

BradfordSportsFan says...

Bit disappointed with this!! Hope he's signed on reduced terms and it doesn't mean McHugh now leaves - I'd have personally given McHugh his chance!

McArdle is too error prone, slow and has awful positioning.
Bit disappointed with this!! Hope he's signed on reduced terms and it doesn't mean McHugh now leaves - I'd have personally given McHugh his chance! McArdle is too error prone, slow and has awful positioning. BradfordSportsFan
  • Score: -43

4:20pm Mon 19 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

Maybe it's what PP tells him to do, but Personally I find the way he lumps it up the pitch very frustrating. Understandably when under pressure, but he does it even when he isn't! If we are to play better football can we really afford to give possession up so easily? Disappointed.
Maybe it's what PP tells him to do, but Personally I find the way he lumps it up the pitch very frustrating. Understandably when under pressure, but he does it even when he isn't! If we are to play better football can we really afford to give possession up so easily? Disappointed. Victor Clayton
  • Score: -23

4:23pm Mon 19 May 14

undercliffebantam says...

Delighted with this news. Why don't supporters leave Parkinson to manage. He hasn't done too bad a job n the past two years. I and other supporters I have spoken to will be happy with a mid table finish again next season.
Delighted with this news. Why don't supporters leave Parkinson to manage. He hasn't done too bad a job n the past two years. I and other supporters I have spoken to will be happy with a mid table finish again next season. undercliffebantam
  • Score: 41

4:39pm Mon 19 May 14

lawsonio123 says...

A Young player given a long contract The Manager would expect the player to get better as a learns more And no one complained when he scored important goals for us did they and he is a international so please give the lad a chance
A Young player given a long contract The Manager would expect the player to get better as a learns more And no one complained when he scored important goals for us did they and he is a international so please give the lad a chance lawsonio123
  • Score: 30

4:39pm Mon 19 May 14

LaCe78 says...

Happy that Rory has signed on again, think he gets some unfair flack in all fairness, he may not be the quickest, but he does read the game relatively well, has been part of a decent defence for the last couple of seasons, and poses a decent threat from set pieces. Even if he's more of a squad player, he's an able substitute even if we do get a 'Butler' or someone of that ilk over the closed season. If we are to release a centre half, I'd prefer to see Taylor go than anyone else, think McHugh has done enough for a new deal too! IPWT!!!!
Happy that Rory has signed on again, think he gets some unfair flack in all fairness, he may not be the quickest, but he does read the game relatively well, has been part of a decent defence for the last couple of seasons, and poses a decent threat from set pieces. Even if he's more of a squad player, he's an able substitute even if we do get a 'Butler' or someone of that ilk over the closed season. If we are to release a centre half, I'd prefer to see Taylor go than anyone else, think McHugh has done enough for a new deal too! IPWT!!!! LaCe78
  • Score: 25

4:44pm Mon 19 May 14

Bantambhoy says...

BradfordSportsFan wrote:
Bit disappointed with this!! Hope he's signed on reduced terms and it doesn't mean McHugh now leaves - I'd have personally given McHugh his chance!

McArdle is too error prone, slow and has awful positioning.
The McArdle Davies partnership is one of the best in the league! With McHugh in reserve we are decent. Just need Darby and Meredith now and we're ok.
[quote][p][bold]BradfordSportsFan[/bold] wrote: Bit disappointed with this!! Hope he's signed on reduced terms and it doesn't mean McHugh now leaves - I'd have personally given McHugh his chance! McArdle is too error prone, slow and has awful positioning.[/p][/quote]The McArdle Davies partnership is one of the best in the league! With McHugh in reserve we are decent. Just need Darby and Meredith now and we're ok. Bantambhoy
  • Score: 24

5:32pm Mon 19 May 14

Michael Clayton says...

Bantambhoy wrote:
BradfordSportsFan wrote:
Bit disappointed with this!! Hope he's signed on reduced terms and it doesn't mean McHugh now leaves - I'd have personally given McHugh his chance!

McArdle is too error prone, slow and has awful positioning.
The McArdle Davies partnership is one of the best in the league! With McHugh in reserve we are decent. Just need Darby and Meredith now and we're ok.
It is a good signing for me. Rory has put in many great performances for City.

Even if he does not start, he is good cover for centre-half and full-back.
[quote][p][bold]Bantambhoy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]BradfordSportsFan[/bold] wrote: Bit disappointed with this!! Hope he's signed on reduced terms and it doesn't mean McHugh now leaves - I'd have personally given McHugh his chance! McArdle is too error prone, slow and has awful positioning.[/p][/quote]The McArdle Davies partnership is one of the best in the league! With McHugh in reserve we are decent. Just need Darby and Meredith now and we're ok.[/p][/quote]It is a good signing for me. Rory has put in many great performances for City. Even if he does not start, he is good cover for centre-half and full-back. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 14

5:36pm Mon 19 May 14

doneBD4 says...

Hoof............ 3 more seasons of hoof.
Hoof............ 3 more seasons of hoof. doneBD4
  • Score: -24

5:42pm Mon 19 May 14

torreyman says...

Not to sure about Mc Ardle think a three year contract is a bit long lets hope PP knows what he is doing what does everybody think ??
Not to sure about Mc Ardle think a three year contract is a bit long lets hope PP knows what he is doing what does everybody think ?? torreyman
  • Score: -11

6:24pm Mon 19 May 14

birstallbantam56 says...

Pleased with this news - get off the lads back - he may have made the odd mistake but he gives 100% every week and his partnership with Davies is one of the stronger ones in this league. Defence is not where our issues lay - we have bigger issues to resolve regarding our attacking / creativity options
Pleased with this news - get off the lads back - he may have made the odd mistake but he gives 100% every week and his partnership with Davies is one of the stronger ones in this league. Defence is not where our issues lay - we have bigger issues to resolve regarding our attacking / creativity options birstallbantam56
  • Score: 12

10:09pm Mon 19 May 14

macca1969 says...

Have to say firstly Rory was a top league 2 defender and at best an ok league one defender. Happy to see him sign but 3 years seems too long. One thing he will never be is a championship defender so is this the club saying we are planning on staying in this league for another 3 seasons at least. Controversial I know and to be honest I don't expect us to be promoted next season but a 3 year contract for a player of Rory's ability is not an ambitious statement.
Have to say firstly Rory was a top league 2 defender and at best an ok league one defender. Happy to see him sign but 3 years seems too long. One thing he will never be is a championship defender so is this the club saying we are planning on staying in this league for another 3 seasons at least. Controversial I know and to be honest I don't expect us to be promoted next season but a 3 year contract for a player of Rory's ability is not an ambitious statement. macca1969
  • Score: -8

12:08am Tue 20 May 14

hornseabantam says...

Would love McHugh to stay on, but the absolute key for the future is to get Stephen Darby's name on a new contract. And from then, what we really need is a fast, pacey, creative midfield.
Would love McHugh to stay on, but the absolute key for the future is to get Stephen Darby's name on a new contract. And from then, what we really need is a fast, pacey, creative midfield. hornseabantam
  • Score: 1

12:37am Tue 20 May 14

bcfc1903 says...

Very good signing for me, McArdle is an excellent defender, with the emphasis on defending, can't say I'm fussed about the so called long ball, you certainly can't mess about when the opposition floods midfield. He's obviously under instructions to get the ball forward if other options are limited as was the case on most occasions. So it's all good, just waiting for the big exciting attacking signing that will come before the end of this month.
Very good signing for me, McArdle is an excellent defender, with the emphasis on defending, can't say I'm fussed about the so called long ball, you certainly can't mess about when the opposition floods midfield. He's obviously under instructions to get the ball forward if other options are limited as was the case on most occasions. So it's all good, just waiting for the big exciting attacking signing that will come before the end of this month. bcfc1903
  • Score: 7

1:50am Tue 20 May 14

Bradford1903 says...

Pleased he has signed, as I think he is a solid enough defender at this level.

Surprised it's for 3 seasons, but by giving him that extra year, we might not have had to pay him as higher wage.

Gets constant stick for playing "hoofball', but I am sure he will have been instructed to utilise that long diagonal ball to Hanson, which he invariably wins.

I am sure he would get criticised if he played the ball short into midfield and we lost possession in a dangerous area, which I remember happening in a game near the end of the season.

The latest buzz words are "attacking football", but you don't win anything if u can't defend. Build from the back, and once you have a solid base, start being more expressive further forward.

Hopefully Darby and Meredith will follow suit, but £500,000 is a lot to save on the budget, with them both looking for wage rises, on contracts they signed as league 2 players, although I hate to think how much Gray was on, but this ironically could make it easier to achieve that figure.
Pleased he has signed, as I think he is a solid enough defender at this level. Surprised it's for 3 seasons, but by giving him that extra year, we might not have had to pay him as higher wage. Gets constant stick for playing "hoofball', but I am sure he will have been instructed to utilise that long diagonal ball to Hanson, which he invariably wins. I am sure he would get criticised if he played the ball short into midfield and we lost possession in a dangerous area, which I remember happening in a game near the end of the season. The latest buzz words are "attacking football", but you don't win anything if u can't defend. Build from the back, and once you have a solid base, start being more expressive further forward. Hopefully Darby and Meredith will follow suit, but £500,000 is a lot to save on the budget, with them both looking for wage rises, on contracts they signed as league 2 players, although I hate to think how much Gray was on, but this ironically could make it easier to achieve that figure. Bradford1903
  • Score: 1

5:16am Tue 20 May 14

tyker7745 says...

good signing but, if we have ambitions to become a championship club any time soon, is he good enough for that level.

Absolutely fine at this level. He has not been included in the NI tour this summer which wil be to our benefit for next season
good signing but, if we have ambitions to become a championship club any time soon, is he good enough for that level. Absolutely fine at this level. He has not been included in the NI tour this summer which wil be to our benefit for next season tyker7745
  • Score: 3

7:15am Tue 20 May 14

allannicho says...

Well done Rory! keep up the good work.
Well done Rory! keep up the good work. allannicho
  • Score: 5

7:26am Tue 20 May 14

Michael Clayton says...

For all we know, McArdle might be first choice right-back next season? Also, is the club being very shrewd in announcing the cut in the playing budget?.The beauty of the closed season!
For all we know, McArdle might be first choice right-back next season? Also, is the club being very shrewd in announcing the cut in the playing budget?.The beauty of the closed season! Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

7:42am Tue 20 May 14

spleen ventor says...

torreyman wrote:
Not to sure about Mc Ardle think a three year contract is a bit long lets hope PP knows what he is doing what does everybody think ??
I am absolutely sure the man who's taken the club from 18th in League Two to 11th in League One in the space of two years knows exactly what he's doing by resigning a player who's been virtually ever present through that period.
[quote][p][bold]torreyman[/bold] wrote: Not to sure about Mc Ardle think a three year contract is a bit long lets hope PP knows what he is doing what does everybody think ??[/p][/quote]I am absolutely sure the man who's taken the club from 18th in League Two to 11th in League One in the space of two years knows exactly what he's doing by resigning a player who's been virtually ever present through that period. spleen ventor
  • Score: 5

9:39am Tue 20 May 14

SouthCheshireBantams says...

Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad?

The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows.

If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football.

Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it!

I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle.

Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......
Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad? The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows. If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football. Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it! I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle. Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season...... SouthCheshireBantams
  • Score: -2

11:45am Tue 20 May 14

tyker7745 says...

I also think we will try to tie up McHugh who, to my mind, is a great young talent more than capable at centre half in the event that Davies has his regular couple of months injured and not a bad left back.

Darby is the one I would like to sign for a three year deal as he has massive potential and ay well be saleable at some stage in that contract
I also think we will try to tie up McHugh who, to my mind, is a great young talent more than capable at centre half in the event that Davies has his regular couple of months injured and not a bad left back. Darby is the one I would like to sign for a three year deal as he has massive potential and ay well be saleable at some stage in that contract tyker7745
  • Score: 1

1:15pm Tue 20 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
Pleased he has signed, as I think he is a solid enough defender at this level.

Surprised it's for 3 seasons, but by giving him that extra year, we might not have had to pay him as higher wage.

Gets constant stick for playing "hoofball', but I am sure he will have been instructed to utilise that long diagonal ball to Hanson, which he invariably wins.

I am sure he would get criticised if he played the ball short into midfield and we lost possession in a dangerous area, which I remember happening in a game near the end of the season.

The latest buzz words are "attacking football", but you don't win anything if u can't defend. Build from the back, and once you have a solid base, start being more expressive further forward.

Hopefully Darby and Meredith will follow suit, but £500,000 is a lot to save on the budget, with them both looking for wage rises, on contracts they signed as league 2 players, although I hate to think how much Gray was on, but this ironically could make it easier to achieve that figure.
Playing a short ball to a midfield player. Imagine that!
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: Pleased he has signed, as I think he is a solid enough defender at this level. Surprised it's for 3 seasons, but by giving him that extra year, we might not have had to pay him as higher wage. Gets constant stick for playing "hoofball', but I am sure he will have been instructed to utilise that long diagonal ball to Hanson, which he invariably wins. I am sure he would get criticised if he played the ball short into midfield and we lost possession in a dangerous area, which I remember happening in a game near the end of the season. The latest buzz words are "attacking football", but you don't win anything if u can't defend. Build from the back, and once you have a solid base, start being more expressive further forward. Hopefully Darby and Meredith will follow suit, but £500,000 is a lot to save on the budget, with them both looking for wage rises, on contracts they signed as league 2 players, although I hate to think how much Gray was on, but this ironically could make it easier to achieve that figure.[/p][/quote]Playing a short ball to a midfield player. Imagine that! Victor Clayton
  • Score: 0

5:42pm Tue 20 May 14

Michael Clayton says...

SouthCheshireBantams wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad?

The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows.

If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football.

Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it!

I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle.

Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......
It is at the point when you mention "tactical clown Parkinson" that you lose credibility. Whether or not you are actually a fan is debatable. If you are, I suggest that your personal attack is the work of a coward.

It is sometimes necessary to play a style of football that is not always pleasing to the eye. If the club is in this situation in three/four years time then you might have a point but right now you come across as impetuous and someone who lacks the ability to appreciate the situation.
[quote][p][bold]SouthCheshireBantams[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad? The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows. If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football. Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it! I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle. Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......[/p][/quote]It is at the point when you mention "tactical clown Parkinson" that you lose credibility. Whether or not you are actually a fan is debatable. If you are, I suggest that your personal attack is the work of a coward. It is sometimes necessary to play a style of football that is not always pleasing to the eye. If the club is in this situation in three/four years time then you might have a point but right now you come across as impetuous and someone who lacks the ability to appreciate the situation. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

6:36pm Tue 20 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
SouthCheshireBantams wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad?

The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows.

If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football.

Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it!

I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle.

Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......
It is at the point when you mention "tactical clown Parkinson" that you lose credibility. Whether or not you are actually a fan is debatable. If you are, I suggest that your personal attack is the work of a coward.

It is sometimes necessary to play a style of football that is not always pleasing to the eye. If the club is in this situation in three/four years time then you might have a point but right now you come across as impetuous and someone who lacks the ability to appreciate the situation.
What do you think of the "only 3000 ticket sold" comment? Surely this is cause for more concern that the rest of it.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthCheshireBantams[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad? The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows. If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football. Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it! I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle. Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......[/p][/quote]It is at the point when you mention "tactical clown Parkinson" that you lose credibility. Whether or not you are actually a fan is debatable. If you are, I suggest that your personal attack is the work of a coward. It is sometimes necessary to play a style of football that is not always pleasing to the eye. If the club is in this situation in three/four years time then you might have a point but right now you come across as impetuous and someone who lacks the ability to appreciate the situation.[/p][/quote]What do you think of the "only 3000 ticket sold" comment? Surely this is cause for more concern that the rest of it. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 0

12:42am Wed 21 May 14

Bradford1903 says...

Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal.

Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough!
Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal. Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough! Bradford1903
  • Score: 0

7:54am Wed 21 May 14

Michael Clayton says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
SouthCheshireBantams wrote:
Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad?

The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows.

If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football.

Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it!

I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle.

Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......
It is at the point when you mention "tactical clown Parkinson" that you lose credibility. Whether or not you are actually a fan is debatable. If you are, I suggest that your personal attack is the work of a coward.

It is sometimes necessary to play a style of football that is not always pleasing to the eye. If the club is in this situation in three/four years time then you might have a point but right now you come across as impetuous and someone who lacks the ability to appreciate the situation.
What do you think of the "only 3000 ticket sold" comment? Surely this is cause for more concern that the rest of it.
That depends on what you mean. Are you asking my opinion on (a) the comment (as a whole) or (b) about the specific reference to the 3,000 tickets sold?

(a) If you are talking about the comment as a whole, I think it is appalling.

(b) If you are referring to the number of tickets sold, if the '3'000' figure is true (no reason to suppose it is not) there are likely to be any number of reasons that could be influencing current sales: (1) the season has barely ended, (2) the deadline date is still over a week away e.g. I am buying four season tickets on Friday, (3) the club has yet to make its marquee signing, (4) the inevitable lack of hype when compared to what happened last season.

I think there will be a downturn in sales but that has more to do with the fickleness of the peripheral fanbase. But don't worry, they will be back in time to catch the next wave of success.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SouthCheshireBantams[/bold] wrote: Has anyone else noticed how McArdle's loss of form coincided with him starting to get regular call ups to the NI squad? The promotion season, and before even that, I thought he was immense. But this season he's been dreadful. Why on earth as a professional footballer your natural instinct is to just lump it down the pitch aimlessly god only knows. If you notice, every single kick-off this year was passed straight back to him and he would always launch it down the pitch and it would go out of play for a throw or just come straight back. That's no way to play football. Maybe it's what the tactical clown Parkinson has told him to do, but if you're going to play route one week in week out then you at least have to be good at it! I preferred McArdle when he started out as a right back with Davies and Oliver in the middle. I certainly wouldn't switch Darby but I'd be more tempted to try my hand with McHugh rather than McArdle. Let's face it, with only 3000 season tickets sold so far, another 10000 aren't going to sign up for the same route one dross as this last season......[/p][/quote]It is at the point when you mention "tactical clown Parkinson" that you lose credibility. Whether or not you are actually a fan is debatable. If you are, I suggest that your personal attack is the work of a coward. It is sometimes necessary to play a style of football that is not always pleasing to the eye. If the club is in this situation in three/four years time then you might have a point but right now you come across as impetuous and someone who lacks the ability to appreciate the situation.[/p][/quote]What do you think of the "only 3000 ticket sold" comment? Surely this is cause for more concern that the rest of it.[/p][/quote]That depends on what you mean. Are you asking my opinion on (a) the comment (as a whole) or (b) about the specific reference to the 3,000 tickets sold? (a) If you are talking about the comment as a whole, I think it is appalling. (b) If you are referring to the number of tickets sold, if the '3'000' figure is true (no reason to suppose it is not) there are likely to be any number of reasons that could be influencing current sales: (1) the season has barely ended, (2) the deadline date is still over a week away e.g. I am buying four season tickets on Friday, (3) the club has yet to make its marquee signing, (4) the inevitable lack of hype when compared to what happened last season. I think there will be a downturn in sales but that has more to do with the fickleness of the peripheral fanbase. But don't worry, they will be back in time to catch the next wave of success. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

10:51am Wed 21 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal.

Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough!
I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal. Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough![/p][/quote]I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers Victor Clayton
  • Score: 0

12:10pm Wed 21 May 14

Michael Clayton says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal.

Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough!
I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers
I agree in that moans are heard when the 'risk' does not come off. I also agree in terms of your ideology i.e. enjoyment of the beautiful game.

However, this is a business industry and so it is not always possible to play a free flowing style. In taking a 'risk' there is the danger of something going wrong.

Also, I do not think it is true that you can only gain by taking a risk. During their successes, Manchester United did not take risks. At the opposite end of the scale, a club like Gillingham (2012-3 season) did not take risks. The each won through because they were better at what they did; whether that be through skill or organisation.

In the case of last season, City did not always have the luxury of skilled players and/or enough points to change the approach in certain matches. It is down to circumstances and I would rather see short-term consolidation than a miserable slide back to the bottom league.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal. Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough![/p][/quote]I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers[/p][/quote]I agree in that moans are heard when the 'risk' does not come off. I also agree in terms of your ideology i.e. enjoyment of the beautiful game. However, this is a business industry and so it is not always possible to play a free flowing style. In taking a 'risk' there is the danger of something going wrong. Also, I do not think it is true that you can only gain by taking a risk. During their successes, Manchester United did not take risks. At the opposite end of the scale, a club like Gillingham (2012-3 season) did not take risks. The each won through because they were better at what they did; whether that be through skill or organisation. In the case of last season, City did not always have the luxury of skilled players and/or enough points to change the approach in certain matches. It is down to circumstances and I would rather see short-term consolidation than a miserable slide back to the bottom league. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

4:26pm Wed 21 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote:
Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal.

Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough!
I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers
I agree in that moans are heard when the 'risk' does not come off. I also agree in terms of your ideology i.e. enjoyment of the beautiful game.

However, this is a business industry and so it is not always possible to play a free flowing style. In taking a 'risk' there is the danger of something going wrong.

Also, I do not think it is true that you can only gain by taking a risk. During their successes, Manchester United did not take risks. At the opposite end of the scale, a club like Gillingham (2012-3 season) did not take risks. The each won through because they were better at what they did; whether that be through skill or organisation.

In the case of last season, City did not always have the luxury of skilled players and/or enough points to change the approach in certain matches. It is down to circumstances and I would rather see short-term consolidation than a miserable slide back to the bottom league.
I am not saying that we are capable of always playing free flowing football all the time. I don't particularly want to see the centre half dancing up the pitch all with half the opposition bearing down on them. but to see us working the ball around the back only for mccardle launch the ball toward the 2 city strikers against 4 defenders is not really football. If on the other hand while we were working the ball at the back the 2 central midfield players were steaming forward in anticipation of a mccardle launch and Hanson knock down then there would be a point. Whether you hit the ball long or pass it short there is a risk. Bcfc are in the entertainment industry and one of the risks of hitting the ball long all the time is the feckless fans decide they can watch this for free down at the park.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal. Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough![/p][/quote]I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers[/p][/quote]I agree in that moans are heard when the 'risk' does not come off. I also agree in terms of your ideology i.e. enjoyment of the beautiful game. However, this is a business industry and so it is not always possible to play a free flowing style. In taking a 'risk' there is the danger of something going wrong. Also, I do not think it is true that you can only gain by taking a risk. During their successes, Manchester United did not take risks. At the opposite end of the scale, a club like Gillingham (2012-3 season) did not take risks. The each won through because they were better at what they did; whether that be through skill or organisation. In the case of last season, City did not always have the luxury of skilled players and/or enough points to change the approach in certain matches. It is down to circumstances and I would rather see short-term consolidation than a miserable slide back to the bottom league.[/p][/quote]I am not saying that we are capable of always playing free flowing football all the time. I don't particularly want to see the centre half dancing up the pitch all with half the opposition bearing down on them. but to see us working the ball around the back only for mccardle launch the ball toward the 2 city strikers against 4 defenders is not really football. If on the other hand while we were working the ball at the back the 2 central midfield players were steaming forward in anticipation of a mccardle launch and Hanson knock down then there would be a point. Whether you hit the ball long or pass it short there is a risk. Bcfc are in the entertainment industry and one of the risks of hitting the ball long all the time is the feckless fans decide they can watch this for free down at the park. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 1

5:19pm Wed 21 May 14

Bradford1903 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
Bradford1903 wrote: Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal. Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough!
I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers
Firstly Victor, I don’t agree with the point about the season ticket sales, as over the last few years there has always been a mad rush to renew them just before the deadline. I think when the final figure is confirmed it will be pretty comparable with the last few seasons. I also think the comment made by Rhodes about more attacking football, was a marketing ploy to try and increase sales.

Secondly, I think these days, supporters have total unrealistic expectations, and there is this perception that everybody else plays great football, except us, which is complete rubbish. I watched Peterbro’ in the 2nd leg of the play offs and they struggled to string 2 passes together. Was I “wowed” by the football Wolves, Leyton Orient and Preston played against us this season; certainly not.

I thought we played some decent stuff in the early part of Todd’s reign, but if you ask me the question when was I last seriously entertained, I would have to go back to Jewell’s reign.

I actually thought, particularly in the early days of the Hanson and Wells partnership, a number of the home games were quite entertaining. In the nearly 15 seasons that has elapsed since Jewell, do I think it has been any less entertaining under Parkinson than in the others, definitely not. Indeed when comparing it to a lot of those seasons, for a considerable amount of the time it has actually been more so.

I agree about the point in our 1st few seasons in league 2, people seemed to be intimated playing for the club. Credit to Parkinson then, for identifying players who could deal with the pressure of expectation, were prepared to give their all for the club, and had that winning mentality.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: Victor, two of my pet hates are: 1) playing loads of pretty passes in the midfield but not getting anywhere, and 2) losing possession in your own half and gifting the opposition a goal. Under Taylor we tried to play out from the back, but the crowd moaned as we weren't getting the ball forward quick enough![/p][/quote]I respect your opinion Bradford but for me football is the beautiful game. It's about a battle of strength, skill, intelligence and risk. There is no gain without risk, and taking reasonably risks should be applauded. Unfortunately you do hear moans when a risk doesn't come off. Imo, we had (before Jones) a situation where players were frightened to try anything and the ball became a hot potato. No player intentionally gives the ball away, but the fact he is trying to play football should be encouraged, because at the end of the day we are paying to be entertained! (I appreciate that entertainment is very subjective but the fact that season ticket sales are sluggish and Rhodes has said what he did, makes me think others share my opinion). Cheers[/p][/quote]Firstly Victor, I don’t agree with the point about the season ticket sales, as over the last few years there has always been a mad rush to renew them just before the deadline. I think when the final figure is confirmed it will be pretty comparable with the last few seasons. I also think the comment made by Rhodes about more attacking football, was a marketing ploy to try and increase sales. Secondly, I think these days, supporters have total unrealistic expectations, and there is this perception that everybody else plays great football, except us, which is complete rubbish. I watched Peterbro’ in the 2nd leg of the play offs and they struggled to string 2 passes together. Was I “wowed” by the football Wolves, Leyton Orient and Preston played against us this season; certainly not. I thought we played some decent stuff in the early part of Todd’s reign, but if you ask me the question when was I last seriously entertained, I would have to go back to Jewell’s reign. I actually thought, particularly in the early days of the Hanson and Wells partnership, a number of the home games were quite entertaining. In the nearly 15 seasons that has elapsed since Jewell, do I think it has been any less entertaining under Parkinson than in the others, definitely not. Indeed when comparing it to a lot of those seasons, for a considerable amount of the time it has actually been more so. I agree about the point in our 1st few seasons in league 2, people seemed to be intimated playing for the club. Credit to Parkinson then, for identifying players who could deal with the pressure of expectation, were prepared to give their all for the club, and had that winning mentality. Bradford1903
  • Score: 0

6:27pm Wed 21 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

I agree about what Rhodes said. I also agree about expectations being high in general, although I don't think it's too much to expect a defender to be able to make a pass to a midfield player.I hope that you are right about season tickets but We have quite a lot of teenage fans and I fear that they like to see excitement and goals.
I agree about what Rhodes said. I also agree about expectations being high in general, although I don't think it's too much to expect a defender to be able to make a pass to a midfield player.I hope that you are right about season tickets but We have quite a lot of teenage fans and I fear that they like to see excitement and goals. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 0

8:13pm Wed 21 May 14

Bradford1903 says...

A lot of teams now play with an extra man in there, so if one of our centre backs played a ball into the midfield, not only would we run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area, but because we were outnumbered, all that probably would result is that is passed back to the defence.

If we want to play more football through the midfield, then we probably need to go to a 4-3-3, but then that would reduce the effectiveness of Hanson.

My point though, was when you compare the entertainment under Parkinson to that under the managers since Jewell, it is at least equally comparable, if not more so. When was the last manager then you felt entertained after Jagger?
A lot of teams now play with an extra man in there, so if one of our centre backs played a ball into the midfield, not only would we run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area, but because we were outnumbered, all that probably would result is that is passed back to the defence. If we want to play more football through the midfield, then we probably need to go to a 4-3-3, but then that would reduce the effectiveness of Hanson. My point though, was when you compare the entertainment under Parkinson to that under the managers since Jewell, it is at least equally comparable, if not more so. When was the last manager then you felt entertained after Jagger? Bradford1903
  • Score: 0

8:58pm Wed 21 May 14

Victor Clayton says...

Bradford1903 wrote:
A lot of teams now play with an extra man in there, so if one of our centre backs played a ball into the midfield, not only would we run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area, but because we were outnumbered, all that probably would result is that is passed back to the defence.

If we want to play more football through the midfield, then we probably need to go to a 4-3-3, but then that would reduce the effectiveness of Hanson.

My point though, was when you compare the entertainment under Parkinson to that under the managers since Jewell, it is at least equally comparable, if not more so. When was the last manager then you felt entertained after Jagger?
Yes, we would run the risk of losing the ball but the alternative is to almost certainly lose it. Are you seriously saying that a defender should never risk passing to a midfield player? That is so depressing. I find it hard to argue with you about the entertainment at vp, maybe McCall at least tried (on a larger budget I should think). But PP seems uber cautious to me. Can you explain your 433 Hanson comment please.
[quote][p][bold]Bradford1903[/bold] wrote: A lot of teams now play with an extra man in there, so if one of our centre backs played a ball into the midfield, not only would we run the risk of losing possession in a dangerous area, but because we were outnumbered, all that probably would result is that is passed back to the defence. If we want to play more football through the midfield, then we probably need to go to a 4-3-3, but then that would reduce the effectiveness of Hanson. My point though, was when you compare the entertainment under Parkinson to that under the managers since Jewell, it is at least equally comparable, if not more so. When was the last manager then you felt entertained after Jagger?[/p][/quote]Yes, we would run the risk of losing the ball but the alternative is to almost certainly lose it. Are you seriously saying that a defender should never risk passing to a midfield player? That is so depressing. I find it hard to argue with you about the entertainment at vp, maybe McCall at least tried (on a larger budget I should think). But PP seems uber cautious to me. Can you explain your 433 Hanson comment please. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 0

12:54am Thu 22 May 14

Bradford1903 says...

People talk about the long ball like we just launch it into orbit and hope for the best. The fact is it is aimed towards Hanson, who invariably wins the ball in the air and it puts the opposition on the back foot; it might not be pretty at times, but it is effective.

The difference is that if you lose the ball in the opposition half, you don't run the risk of conceding a goal, which is what you would do, playing deep within your own half, with individuals not particularly comfortable on the ball.

I am not saying to never play a ball into the midfield; only that is is very difficult to pass through a team who have 3 in there, and you are playing an orthodox 4-4-2.

I think Hanson is at his best when he has someone playing alongside him to run onto his flick ons. Play a 4-3-3 and you run the risk of him being isolated.

Even McCall was criticised for playing the long ball, which just goes to show that some people will always complain about the style of football, whoever is the manager.
People talk about the long ball like we just launch it into orbit and hope for the best. The fact is it is aimed towards Hanson, who invariably wins the ball in the air and it puts the opposition on the back foot; it might not be pretty at times, but it is effective. The difference is that if you lose the ball in the opposition half, you don't run the risk of conceding a goal, which is what you would do, playing deep within your own half, with individuals not particularly comfortable on the ball. I am not saying to never play a ball into the midfield; only that is is very difficult to pass through a team who have 3 in there, and you are playing an orthodox 4-4-2. I think Hanson is at his best when he has someone playing alongside him to run onto his flick ons. Play a 4-3-3 and you run the risk of him being isolated. Even McCall was criticised for playing the long ball, which just goes to show that some people will always complain about the style of football, whoever is the manager. Bradford1903
  • Score: 0

8:33am Thu 22 May 14

Michael Clayton says...

Circumstances dictate to a large extent. There were times during 2013/4 when City had no option but to play in the way that they did.

The central midfield players did everything possible but found it difficult in trying to pass to the forwards. Hence, there was sometimes no choice but for a square ball or for a defender to aim at the target man.

This is not a dig aimed at Doyle and Jones. Instead, it is more to do with the strengths and weaknesses of the front-men.

Whether by planning or otherwise, I think that McLean is the key to a more expansive styke of football next season. Once the pressure was off, the early signs of this were starting to show.

Just to correct something I wrote yesterday. Man United did take risks but the difference, in their case, was that they were in a position to do so.

Unfortunately, it can't always be entertaining but I would suggest that it is due to a lack of footballing education. If the kids are getting a bit restless then it is up to the adults to explain why it cannot be a flowing style all the time. Whether the adults are capable of understanding is another matter!

I would rather be patient than see the continuing good work undone.
Circumstances dictate to a large extent. There were times during 2013/4 when City had no option but to play in the way that they did. The central midfield players did everything possible but found it difficult in trying to pass to the forwards. Hence, there was sometimes no choice but for a square ball or for a defender to aim at the target man. This is not a dig aimed at Doyle and Jones. Instead, it is more to do with the strengths and weaknesses of the front-men. Whether by planning or otherwise, I think that McLean is the key to a more expansive styke of football next season. Once the pressure was off, the early signs of this were starting to show. Just to correct something I wrote yesterday. Man United did take risks but the difference, in their case, was that they were in a position to do so. Unfortunately, it can't always be entertaining but I would suggest that it is due to a lack of footballing education. If the kids are getting a bit restless then it is up to the adults to explain why it cannot be a flowing style all the time. Whether the adults are capable of understanding is another matter! I would rather be patient than see the continuing good work undone. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -1

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