Bradford Bulls backed to raise standards at Magic Weekend

Antonio Kaufusi runs into trouble during the Bulls’ 50-0 hammering by St Helens. The on-loan prop cannot play against parent club Huddersfield at the weekend

Antonio Kaufusi runs into trouble during the Bulls’ 50-0 hammering by St Helens. The on-loan prop cannot play against parent club Huddersfield at the weekend

First published in Sport Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford Bulls Reporter

Francis Cummins has backed his players to provide the right response when the Bulls face Huddersfield in their Magic Weekend showdown on Sunday.

The 50-0 defeat to St Helens left Bradford eight points adrift of third-bottom Wakefield but Cummins is confident his men can reproduce the form they showed in recent victories over Catalan and Warrington.

“We can’t wait to play Huddersfield, to be fair, and it would be huge to get a result this weekend,” said the head coach.

“We know our standards were too low against St Helens but you immediately look to the next challenge.

“We’ve got to be confident that we’re not that far away because we had showed our quality in the previous two weeks.

“Sunday went away from us after a personnel change and we had a number of players missing. But we’ve got to confront that and be better than we were.”

Cummins is hoping to have Luke Gale, Manase Manuokafoa and James Donaldson back from injury this weekend.

“They are on my board in the ‘hopeful’ column and we’ll see how they go in the next few days,” he said.

Chev Walker is hoping to shake off a toe injury in time but Cummins’ search for reinforcements is ongoing.

“Until something drops into your lap, then I’m constantly asking other coaches – but I can’t hold my breath because the dynamics have changed,” he said.

“We’ve won a couple of games and other teams have lost a couple, so it’s not easy.”

Cummins will be without on-loan Huddersfield prop Antonio Kaufusi on Sunday as he is ineligible to face his parent club.

Huddersfield will be boosted by the return of former Bulls forward Brett Ferres after a five-game ban and Anthony Mullally looks certain to play against the club where he enjoyed a successful loan spell earlier in the season.

Giants coach Paul Anderson said: “Anthony playing for Bradford benefited all parties and now it’s Kaufusi’s turn to get some game-time under his belt.

“Once the month is up, I’ll talk to him, but the door is not closed on him at Huddersfield by any stretch of the imagination.”

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9:32am Tue 13 May 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Got to give F.C. top marks for confidence but as my Scottish neighbour keeps telling me " Yer doomed",there again what does he know about sport.He played for Scotland at football but as I keep telling him,if you have Porridge for breakfast you can get a cap for Scotland at any sport.
Got to give F.C. top marks for confidence but as my Scottish neighbour keeps telling me " Yer doomed",there again what does he know about sport.He played for Scotland at football but as I keep telling him,if you have Porridge for breakfast you can get a cap for Scotland at any sport. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 8

10:22am Tue 13 May 14

Bowlingboy says...

I will believe it when I see it,
bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship.
However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door.
I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place.
And look what has happened,
I will believe it when I see it, bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship. However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door. I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place. And look what has happened, Bowlingboy
  • Score: 12

11:11am Tue 13 May 14

axelf1963 says...

Giants by 28+ Spangles.
Giants by 28+ Spangles. axelf1963
  • Score: 0

11:19am Tue 13 May 14

BCFC LAD says says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Giants by 28+ Spangles.
No doubt you will have a huge bet on that no doubt risking your hard earned shift money from Colloids Mr Molecule!!
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: Giants by 28+ Spangles.[/p][/quote]No doubt you will have a huge bet on that no doubt risking your hard earned shift money from Colloids Mr Molecule!! BCFC LAD says
  • Score: 2

11:39am Tue 13 May 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

It is going to be another painful weekend to be a Bulls fan.

The only hope is that Wakey and/or Salford lose and London do not upset Dragons.

Worse case we could be 10 points off the pace come Sunday night and then we are up it without a paddle.
It is going to be another painful weekend to be a Bulls fan. The only hope is that Wakey and/or Salford lose and London do not upset Dragons. Worse case we could be 10 points off the pace come Sunday night and then we are up it without a paddle. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 9

11:39am Tue 13 May 14

Moron Detection Services says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
I will believe it when I see it,
bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship.
However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door.
I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place.
And look what has happened,
So to sum you up, the coach is crap, the players are crap, the owner is crap, the previous owner was crap. Oh, and you made some racist comment which mercifully I didn't see about the last owner, presumably got shot down about it, but now you think your racism was justified cos the club went bust?

Reading between the lines, your solution is to find a billionaire owner who wants to waste a few million; sack the whole squad and coaching staff; sign up a squad of the best Origin players and get Wayne Bennett to coach.

What a plonker.
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: I will believe it when I see it, bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship. However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door. I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place. And look what has happened,[/p][/quote]So to sum you up, the coach is crap, the players are crap, the owner is crap, the previous owner was crap. Oh, and you made some racist comment which mercifully I didn't see about the last owner, presumably got shot down about it, but now you think your racism was justified cos the club went bust? Reading between the lines, your solution is to find a billionaire owner who wants to waste a few million; sack the whole squad and coaching staff; sign up a squad of the best Origin players and get Wayne Bennett to coach. What a plonker. Moron Detection Services
  • Score: 14

12:01pm Tue 13 May 14

Bowlingboy says...

Moron Detection Services wrote:
Bowlingboy wrote:
I will believe it when I see it,
bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship.
However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door.
I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place.
And look what has happened,
So to sum you up, the coach is crap, the players are crap, the owner is crap, the previous owner was crap. Oh, and you made some racist comment which mercifully I didn't see about the last owner, presumably got shot down about it, but now you think your racism was justified cos the club went bust?

Reading between the lines, your solution is to find a billionaire owner who wants to waste a few million; sack the whole squad and coaching staff; sign up a squad of the best Origin players and get Wayne Bennett to coach.

What a plonker.
Thats right!.
[quote][p][bold]Moron Detection Services[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: I will believe it when I see it, bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship. However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door. I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place. And look what has happened,[/p][/quote]So to sum you up, the coach is crap, the players are crap, the owner is crap, the previous owner was crap. Oh, and you made some racist comment which mercifully I didn't see about the last owner, presumably got shot down about it, but now you think your racism was justified cos the club went bust? Reading between the lines, your solution is to find a billionaire owner who wants to waste a few million; sack the whole squad and coaching staff; sign up a squad of the best Origin players and get Wayne Bennett to coach. What a plonker.[/p][/quote]Thats right!. Bowlingboy
  • Score: 0

12:16pm Tue 13 May 14

Bowlingboy says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
Moron Detection Services wrote:
Bowlingboy wrote:
I will believe it when I see it,
bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship.
However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door.
I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place.
And look what has happened,
So to sum you up, the coach is crap, the players are crap, the owner is crap, the previous owner was crap. Oh, and you made some racist comment which mercifully I didn't see about the last owner, presumably got shot down about it, but now you think your racism was justified cos the club went bust?

Reading between the lines, your solution is to find a billionaire owner who wants to waste a few million; sack the whole squad and coaching staff; sign up a squad of the best Origin players and get Wayne Bennett to coach.

What a plonker.
Thats right!.
apart from plonker bit of course.
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Moron Detection Services[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: I will believe it when I see it, bad coach, average players and No investment from the owner as the above says we are "doomed" to the championship. However I still think the biggest part of the blame has to be layed at OK's door. I remember been called racist when I said it was a bad idea to sell the club to him in the first place. And look what has happened,[/p][/quote]So to sum you up, the coach is crap, the players are crap, the owner is crap, the previous owner was crap. Oh, and you made some racist comment which mercifully I didn't see about the last owner, presumably got shot down about it, but now you think your racism was justified cos the club went bust? Reading between the lines, your solution is to find a billionaire owner who wants to waste a few million; sack the whole squad and coaching staff; sign up a squad of the best Origin players and get Wayne Bennett to coach. What a plonker.[/p][/quote]Thats right!.[/p][/quote]apart from plonker bit of course. Bowlingboy
  • Score: 5

12:35pm Tue 13 May 14

axelf1963 says...

Bcfc Viking my old Sedge mate don't be like that, My JSA will pay for my bets and with 28+ my tip I should go ok.
Bcfc Viking my old Sedge mate don't be like that, My JSA will pay for my bets and with 28+ my tip I should go ok. axelf1963
  • Score: -1

12:42pm Tue 13 May 14

bartsbull says...

Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club
Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency
All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position

I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB
Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB bartsbull
  • Score: 1

12:49pm Tue 13 May 14

WayneRouke says...

Off topic, but here goes...

This thread is the same old Rhetoric and the same people saying the same thing

Khans silence is deafening.. Surprised he doesnt drive a clapped out Reliant Robin and go around calling everyone a "Plonker". His idea of owning the Bulls was certainly "This time Next year, we will be millionaires", and like Del Boy, his plan failed, and he blames everyone but himself.

"Only KHANS AND Horses"

Why can we not comment on the following:
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/11207920.Police_p
robe_into_far_right_
activists/?ref=mr

If you look at BritainFirst.Org, they paint a different picture, with threats from vigilantes.

http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/11207886.___Plant
_poppies_for_the_fal
len____across_Bradfo
rd_district/
What a FANTASTIC idea


Khans silence is deafening.. Surprised he doesnt drive a clapped out Reliant Robin and go around calling everyone a "Plonker". His idea of owning the Bulls was certainly "This time Next year, we will be millionaires", and like Del Boy, his plan failed.

Only KHANS AND Horses.
Off topic, but here goes... This thread is the same old Rhetoric and the same people saying the same thing Khans silence is deafening.. Surprised he doesnt drive a clapped out Reliant Robin and go around calling everyone a "Plonker". His idea of owning the Bulls was certainly "This time Next year, we will be millionaires", and like Del Boy, his plan failed, and he blames everyone but himself. "Only KHANS AND Horses" Why can we not comment on the following: http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11207920.Police_p robe_into_far_right_ activists/?ref=mr If you look at BritainFirst.Org, they paint a different picture, with threats from vigilantes. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/ne ws/11207886.___Plant _poppies_for_the_fal len____across_Bradfo rd_district/ What a FANTASTIC idea Khans silence is deafening.. Surprised he doesnt drive a clapped out Reliant Robin and go around calling everyone a "Plonker". His idea of owning the Bulls was certainly "This time Next year, we will be millionaires", and like Del Boy, his plan failed. Only KHANS AND Horses. WayneRouke
  • Score: 3

12:57pm Tue 13 May 14

Out of site says...

Build a mosque on the tip
Build a mosque on the tip Out of site
  • Score: 1

1:14pm Tue 13 May 14

Bull110 says...

bartsbull wrote:
Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club
Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency
All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position

I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB
When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder.

Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight.

This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.
[quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB[/p][/quote]When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder. Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight. This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us. Bull110
  • Score: 11

1:15pm Tue 13 May 14

Bowlingboy says...

My point been there has been some fraud afoot and nobody has started an investigation.
Why?
As a life long Bulls fan I am devastated the way the club has been left by Ok and company.
Who would have ever thought we would be in the championship?
My point been there has been some fraud afoot and nobody has started an investigation. Why? As a life long Bulls fan I am devastated the way the club has been left by Ok and company. Who would have ever thought we would be in the championship? Bowlingboy
  • Score: 15

4:37pm Tue 13 May 14

Out of site says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
My point been there has been some fraud afoot and nobody has started an investigation.
Why?
As a life long Bulls fan I am devastated the way the club has been left by Ok and company.
Who would have ever thought we would be in the championship?
Me
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: My point been there has been some fraud afoot and nobody has started an investigation. Why? As a life long Bulls fan I am devastated the way the club has been left by Ok and company. Who would have ever thought we would be in the championship?[/p][/quote]Me Out of site
  • Score: -1

4:39pm Tue 13 May 14

Sad bull says...

Bull110 wrote:
bartsbull wrote:
Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club
Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency
All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position

I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB
When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder.

Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight.

This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.
I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans.

One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years.

Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this.

Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in.

Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.
[quote][p][bold]Bull110[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB[/p][/quote]When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder. Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight. This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans. One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years. Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this. Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in. Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand. Sad bull
  • Score: 11

4:53pm Tue 13 May 14

Bullmaniac says...

Sad bull wrote:
Bull110 wrote:
bartsbull wrote:
Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club
Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency
All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position

I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB
When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder.

Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight.

This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.
I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans.

One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years.

Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this.

Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in.

Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.
Very good remark - much better than some of the tripe I have been reading on here...

The fact remains that unless a minor miracle occurs (Wakefield going into admin.) then we all but certain to be relegated. On the face of it the average attendance on game days would drop down to the mid 2,000 mark which would obviously mean less money being pumped into the coffers, but as you rightly say the parachute payment will most likely take the sting out of this although it wouldn't surprise me if the RFL take our allotted payment and give it to London - stranger things have happened.

I feel that relegation may provide an ideal opportunity to cast off players that simply aren't good enough to compete at Super League level. Before I am shot down just look at how many players we have let go only to fall into the abyss rather than be snapped up by Super League opposition. However this can be a double edged sword as we may see promising youngsters such as Adam O'Brien being tempted away by clubs in the top flight, and this would be nothing short of a disaster. It must the board's number one priority to ensure that these players are tied down ASAP regardless of where we are playing next season.

I do feel that it is a shame for the game in general - as the league is losing a potential 15k average supported team (which is what we achieved at our height) and instead have Wakefield, Castleford, Salford and Widnes who would struggle to achieve an accumulative figure of 15k on a matchday.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bull110[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB[/p][/quote]When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder. Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight. This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans. One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years. Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this. Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in. Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.[/p][/quote]Very good remark - much better than some of the tripe I have been reading on here... The fact remains that unless a minor miracle occurs (Wakefield going into admin.) then we all but certain to be relegated. On the face of it the average attendance on game days would drop down to the mid 2,000 mark which would obviously mean less money being pumped into the coffers, but as you rightly say the parachute payment will most likely take the sting out of this although it wouldn't surprise me if the RFL take our allotted payment and give it to London - stranger things have happened. I feel that relegation may provide an ideal opportunity to cast off players that simply aren't good enough to compete at Super League level. Before I am shot down just look at how many players we have let go only to fall into the abyss rather than be snapped up by Super League opposition. However this can be a double edged sword as we may see promising youngsters such as Adam O'Brien being tempted away by clubs in the top flight, and this would be nothing short of a disaster. It must the board's number one priority to ensure that these players are tied down ASAP regardless of where we are playing next season. I do feel that it is a shame for the game in general - as the league is losing a potential 15k average supported team (which is what we achieved at our height) and instead have Wakefield, Castleford, Salford and Widnes who would struggle to achieve an accumulative figure of 15k on a matchday. Bullmaniac
  • Score: 10

7:20pm Tue 13 May 14

BCFC LAD says says...

Bullmaniac wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Bull110 wrote:
bartsbull wrote:
Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club
Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency
All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position

I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB
When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder.

Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight.

This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.
I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans.

One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years.

Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this.

Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in.

Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.
Very good remark - much better than some of the tripe I have been reading on here...

The fact remains that unless a minor miracle occurs (Wakefield going into admin.) then we all but certain to be relegated. On the face of it the average attendance on game days would drop down to the mid 2,000 mark which would obviously mean less money being pumped into the coffers, but as you rightly say the parachute payment will most likely take the sting out of this although it wouldn't surprise me if the RFL take our allotted payment and give it to London - stranger things have happened.

I feel that relegation may provide an ideal opportunity to cast off players that simply aren't good enough to compete at Super League level. Before I am shot down just look at how many players we have let go only to fall into the abyss rather than be snapped up by Super League opposition. However this can be a double edged sword as we may see promising youngsters such as Adam O'Brien being tempted away by clubs in the top flight, and this would be nothing short of a disaster. It must the board's number one priority to ensure that these players are tied down ASAP regardless of where we are playing next season.

I do feel that it is a shame for the game in general - as the league is losing a potential 15k average supported team (which is what we achieved at our height) and instead have Wakefield, Castleford, Salford and Widnes who would struggle to achieve an accumulative figure of 15k on a matchday.
I agree with your post totally except the mid 2000 for attendaces. I believe it could be nearer 4000 if the fans can see that the parachute payment is well spent and a team is assembled to be competitive. The majority of players are not up to SL level (cant see many finding SL clubs) so there is no point in keeping them unless its to get us back up there and ditch them because back in SL we will need a complete rebuild. Keep the likes of Obrien Donaldson Gale Kear and Gaskell if possible but they could be the only ones who SL clubs might be interested. You are right it should be the no 1 priority to tie the better players down. Even if by a miracle we survive in SL we still need a massive clear out and virtually start a fresh, maybe better to do it in the championship.
[quote][p][bold]Bullmaniac[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bull110[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB[/p][/quote]When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder. Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight. This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans. One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years. Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this. Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in. Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.[/p][/quote]Very good remark - much better than some of the tripe I have been reading on here... The fact remains that unless a minor miracle occurs (Wakefield going into admin.) then we all but certain to be relegated. On the face of it the average attendance on game days would drop down to the mid 2,000 mark which would obviously mean less money being pumped into the coffers, but as you rightly say the parachute payment will most likely take the sting out of this although it wouldn't surprise me if the RFL take our allotted payment and give it to London - stranger things have happened. I feel that relegation may provide an ideal opportunity to cast off players that simply aren't good enough to compete at Super League level. Before I am shot down just look at how many players we have let go only to fall into the abyss rather than be snapped up by Super League opposition. However this can be a double edged sword as we may see promising youngsters such as Adam O'Brien being tempted away by clubs in the top flight, and this would be nothing short of a disaster. It must the board's number one priority to ensure that these players are tied down ASAP regardless of where we are playing next season. I do feel that it is a shame for the game in general - as the league is losing a potential 15k average supported team (which is what we achieved at our height) and instead have Wakefield, Castleford, Salford and Widnes who would struggle to achieve an accumulative figure of 15k on a matchday.[/p][/quote]I agree with your post totally except the mid 2000 for attendaces. I believe it could be nearer 4000 if the fans can see that the parachute payment is well spent and a team is assembled to be competitive. The majority of players are not up to SL level (cant see many finding SL clubs) so there is no point in keeping them unless its to get us back up there and ditch them because back in SL we will need a complete rebuild. Keep the likes of Obrien Donaldson Gale Kear and Gaskell if possible but they could be the only ones who SL clubs might be interested. You are right it should be the no 1 priority to tie the better players down. Even if by a miracle we survive in SL we still need a massive clear out and virtually start a fresh, maybe better to do it in the championship. BCFC LAD says
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Tue 13 May 14

raisemeup says...

Sad bull wrote:
Bull110 wrote:
bartsbull wrote:
Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club
Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency
All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position

I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB
When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder.

Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight.

This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.
I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans.

One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years.

Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this.

Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in.

Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.
Just a question? How many of us understand the new League structures for 2015?

I have a good idea how it will work, and if we go into the Championship, or tier 2 as it will be Known, it will be extremely difficult to get back into SL for at least two years, and then it wouldn't be easy.
For a start all contracts will be void if relegated, the academy wouldn't be in existence as all central funding would cease. Individual teams would have to gain sponsorship to keep them, overseas quota would be drastically cut, the financial payments would not be enough to reinvigorate a brand new set of Players with an under 19s team to be sponsored and paid for.
Teams like Featherstone-Leigh-H
alifax are streets ahead of how a new team in that division would be able to re group as life in the 2nd tier of the competition would more than likely see us as mid table if extremely lucky.

Let's hope that someone gets the message before falling on the sword?
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bull110[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bartsbull[/bold] wrote: Here some go again having go at the new owner if it was not for Marc Green stepping in when he did we would not have a club Plus what others have also said there are no players out there to sign we are unable to sign overseas players as we do not yet have the documentation from the boarder agency All the other clubs apart from a few are holding on to there players they do not want to give any other team an advantage of staying up or them going down in there place and we would do the same if we were in their position I like many others would like to see some new faces but unless we pay over the odds and clubs let players talk to the club we are where we are COYB[/p][/quote]When Mr Green "stepped in" was he the largest bidder cash wise or was it that the debt he had and the debenture he held made him the preferred bidder. Don't want to think this way but it does look like things are being sorted for a spell out of the top flight. This should not stop the players putting their all into every match so we do not get any more 50+ score lines against us.[/p][/quote]I am sure you are right and that Mark Greens acceptance of almost certain ( and planned ) relegation, was the reason why the RFL jumped from backing Moore and Co to him literally overnight. Moore and Co were committed to doing all they could to keep us in Superleague which was contrary to the RFL's plans. One interesting thought is that when we do go down, the parachute payment we will receive ( as I understand it ) will actually be more than the central funding we have had from Red Hall for the past two years. Theoretically this means we could keep a reasonable full time professional squad together if the board choose to do so and try to get straight back up. It would be interested to hear from the board on this. Of course sponsorship will go down with relegation and initially so would the gates, but they would soon grow again if we were winning every week whatever league we are in. Some of us have been Bulls / Northern fans long enough to have witnessed this first hand.[/p][/quote]Just a question? How many of us understand the new League structures for 2015? I have a good idea how it will work, and if we go into the Championship, or tier 2 as it will be Known, it will be extremely difficult to get back into SL for at least two years, and then it wouldn't be easy. For a start all contracts will be void if relegated, the academy wouldn't be in existence as all central funding would cease. Individual teams would have to gain sponsorship to keep them, overseas quota would be drastically cut, the financial payments would not be enough to reinvigorate a brand new set of Players with an under 19s team to be sponsored and paid for. Teams like Featherstone-Leigh-H alifax are streets ahead of how a new team in that division would be able to re group as life in the 2nd tier of the competition would more than likely see us as mid table if extremely lucky. Let's hope that someone gets the message before falling on the sword? raisemeup
  • Score: 4

8:49pm Tue 13 May 14

Videoref says...

Can anyone clarify for me, what benefit the Rfl would glean from Bulls being relegated? Especially given that they invested a large sum of money buying the lease on Odsal and paying the wage bill to keep us going
Can anyone clarify for me, what benefit the Rfl would glean from Bulls being relegated? Especially given that they invested a large sum of money buying the lease on Odsal and paying the wage bill to keep us going Videoref
  • Score: 2

11:23pm Tue 13 May 14

bradfordbronco says...

Relegation isn't the problem its how we handle it. I'd rather Green kept money back this season so we can have a full time squad next season.

As far as i can make out we'd play 22 games then spilt into a play off of 8 teams(top 4 championship and bottom 4 SL) The top 4 teams from that league will play in SL the following season. By the end of 2015 Wakefield will be admin again so that will the door open for us to return.

As regards crowds i would have thought we'd still have the hardcore 5000 who stood by the club and bought season tickets this season despite warnings of the club going out of business. The away support might be better than we think. Featherstone and Halifax would bring 1000 thats more than huddersfiled, Catalans, london, salford & widnes bring now!

When Castleford got relegated they kept Danny Brough can't see why we can't keep Gaskell, Addy and a several others especially as we will have more central funding next season than this.

I've also no doubt that in 5 years time the clubs will be calling for a franchise system because boom and bust promotion and relegation isn't working . Either that or the game will have ceased to exist at all in a full time capacity
Relegation isn't the problem its how we handle it. I'd rather Green kept money back this season so we can have a full time squad next season. As far as i can make out we'd play 22 games then spilt into a play off of 8 teams(top 4 championship and bottom 4 SL) The top 4 teams from that league will play in SL the following season. By the end of 2015 Wakefield will be admin again so that will the door open for us to return. As regards crowds i would have thought we'd still have the hardcore 5000 who stood by the club and bought season tickets this season despite warnings of the club going out of business. The away support might be better than we think. Featherstone and Halifax would bring 1000 thats more than huddersfiled, Catalans, london, salford & widnes bring now! When Castleford got relegated they kept Danny Brough can't see why we can't keep Gaskell, Addy and a several others especially as we will have more central funding next season than this. I've also no doubt that in 5 years time the clubs will be calling for a franchise system because boom and bust promotion and relegation isn't working . Either that or the game will have ceased to exist at all in a full time capacity bradfordbronco
  • Score: 0

3:03am Wed 14 May 14

The Fat Lady Sings says...

A reliable source close to a major sponsor at the club (and you'll have to take my word on that) told me at the time that Mr Green won the bid (when I couldn't understand why Mrs Koukash, and her husband's millions, had been given a short, sharp, shrift) that he was not interested in investing in the club to stave off relegation and was resigned to relegation and his plans were for that eventuality. This obviously met with the RFL's approval. This is not to say that he saw relegation as inevitable. He would pay the wages and it was up to Mr Cummins, and the squad he compiled, to achieve salvation "but no money for players" apart from loan and free transfers. Clearly, Mr Cummins and the squad have shown they are not up to it (at the moment) and survival seems tenuous at most. However, I will say, again, that I do not think that promotion back to SL will be automatic. We have seen that many of our players are not even top Championship quality. Others, who are, could seek another Championship club. Those few who are SL quality will leave, period (the vultures will be out very soon if they ever left). So, the question will be, "how much will Mr Green invest in a Championship side and its infrastructure?" A parachute payment may only pay off debts and loans incurred this year. Unless the team is successful, there will not be a hard core of 5000 supporters and 3000 is nearer the mark. Mr Cummins will remain as he is, at best, a Championship coach, so you must put your faith that he has the qualities to inspire the average to above-average. Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax, Sheffield and Dewsbury will not be also-rans in that division. Finally, Mr Cummins, you are starting to sound like a certain Mr MacNamara in stating the obvious! After being nilled to fifty, at home, of course we expect an improvement! In fact, given Huddersfield's injuries, post-Warrington, I thought a Bulls victory was not inconceiveable. Now, ?. Good luck to all.
A reliable source close to a major sponsor at the club (and you'll have to take my word on that) told me at the time that Mr Green won the bid (when I couldn't understand why Mrs Koukash, and her husband's millions, had been given a short, sharp, shrift) that he was not interested in investing in the club to stave off relegation and was resigned to relegation and his plans were for that eventuality. This obviously met with the RFL's approval. This is not to say that he saw relegation as inevitable. He would pay the wages and it was up to Mr Cummins, and the squad he compiled, to achieve salvation "but no money for players" apart from loan and free transfers. Clearly, Mr Cummins and the squad have shown they are not up to it (at the moment) and survival seems tenuous at most. However, I will say, again, that I do not think that promotion back to SL will be automatic. We have seen that many of our players are not even top Championship quality. Others, who are, could seek another Championship club. Those few who are SL quality will leave, period (the vultures will be out very soon if they ever left). So, the question will be, "how much will Mr Green invest in a Championship side and its infrastructure?" A parachute payment may only pay off debts and loans incurred this year. Unless the team is successful, there will not be a hard core of 5000 supporters and 3000 is nearer the mark. Mr Cummins will remain as he is, at best, a Championship coach, so you must put your faith that he has the qualities to inspire the average to above-average. Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax, Sheffield and Dewsbury will not be also-rans in that division. Finally, Mr Cummins, you are starting to sound like a certain Mr MacNamara in stating the obvious! After being nilled to fifty, at home, of course we expect an improvement! In fact, given Huddersfield's injuries, post-Warrington, I thought a Bulls victory was not inconceiveable. Now, ?. Good luck to all. The Fat Lady Sings
  • Score: 2

6:17am Wed 14 May 14

Paul from Idle says...

Depends if the parachute payment is used to find the side or Is used to pay what is owed to any creditors?
Depends if the parachute payment is used to find the side or Is used to pay what is owed to any creditors? Paul from Idle
  • Score: 3

7:41am Wed 14 May 14

bradfordbronco says...

We don't what the crowds will be in the championship. Widnes and castleford traditionally have lower crowds than us yet both were getting around 4-5000 when the played in the championship. Most of the existing 5000 Bulls season tickets holders will renew. remember they bought them this season when it looked like we'd be following a bottom 4 team, and possibly no team at all!

5000 will still be better than some SL clubs! so I don't see why we cant stay full time and have a good chance of returning to SL.
We don't what the crowds will be in the championship. Widnes and castleford traditionally have lower crowds than us yet both were getting around 4-5000 when the played in the championship. Most of the existing 5000 Bulls season tickets holders will renew. remember they bought them this season when it looked like we'd be following a bottom 4 team, and possibly no team at all! 5000 will still be better than some SL clubs! so I don't see why we cant stay full time and have a good chance of returning to SL. bradfordbronco
  • Score: -1

8:40am Wed 14 May 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

Videoref wrote:
Can anyone clarify for me, what benefit the Rfl would glean from Bulls being relegated? Especially given that they invested a large sum of money buying the lease on Odsal and paying the wage bill to keep us going
It is all a matter of protecting at least one of the two expansion clubs; London are down and if the second place is taken by Bradford then Catalan are safe.

Sky need Catalan to be in the SL; why do you think they are televising all their home games this season; it is all down to TV rights with the French networks.
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: Can anyone clarify for me, what benefit the Rfl would glean from Bulls being relegated? Especially given that they invested a large sum of money buying the lease on Odsal and paying the wage bill to keep us going[/p][/quote]It is all a matter of protecting at least one of the two expansion clubs; London are down and if the second place is taken by Bradford then Catalan are safe. Sky need Catalan to be in the SL; why do you think they are televising all their home games this season; it is all down to TV rights with the French networks. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 1

8:47am Wed 14 May 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

The Fat Lady Sings wrote:
A reliable source close to a major sponsor at the club (and you'll have to take my word on that) told me at the time that Mr Green won the bid (when I couldn't understand why Mrs Koukash, and her husband's millions, had been given a short, sharp, shrift) that he was not interested in investing in the club to stave off relegation and was resigned to relegation and his plans were for that eventuality. This obviously met with the RFL's approval. This is not to say that he saw relegation as inevitable. He would pay the wages and it was up to Mr Cummins, and the squad he compiled, to achieve salvation "but no money for players" apart from loan and free transfers. Clearly, Mr Cummins and the squad have shown they are not up to it (at the moment) and survival seems tenuous at most. However, I will say, again, that I do not think that promotion back to SL will be automatic. We have seen that many of our players are not even top Championship quality. Others, who are, could seek another Championship club. Those few who are SL quality will leave, period (the vultures will be out very soon if they ever left). So, the question will be, "how much will Mr Green invest in a Championship side and its infrastructure?" A parachute payment may only pay off debts and loans incurred this year. Unless the team is successful, there will not be a hard core of 5000 supporters and 3000 is nearer the mark. Mr Cummins will remain as he is, at best, a Championship coach, so you must put your faith that he has the qualities to inspire the average to above-average. Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax, Sheffield and Dewsbury will not be also-rans in that division. Finally, Mr Cummins, you are starting to sound like a certain Mr MacNamara in stating the obvious! After being nilled to fifty, at home, of course we expect an improvement! In fact, given Huddersfield's injuries, post-Warrington, I thought a Bulls victory was not inconceiveable. Now, ?. Good luck to all.
unfortunately you are just about spot on; BPA's bid was the most cash rich and had the strongest business plan but like Mandy K's was geared to taking the Club forward with investment and development.

Green had the debenture and as we are yet to see any investment in the team (every signing has been a free or loan player) one can only draw the conclusion that this is the course that he is prepared to take.

I fear that there will be nothing magic about this weekend for Bulls fans.
[quote][p][bold]The Fat Lady Sings[/bold] wrote: A reliable source close to a major sponsor at the club (and you'll have to take my word on that) told me at the time that Mr Green won the bid (when I couldn't understand why Mrs Koukash, and her husband's millions, had been given a short, sharp, shrift) that he was not interested in investing in the club to stave off relegation and was resigned to relegation and his plans were for that eventuality. This obviously met with the RFL's approval. This is not to say that he saw relegation as inevitable. He would pay the wages and it was up to Mr Cummins, and the squad he compiled, to achieve salvation "but no money for players" apart from loan and free transfers. Clearly, Mr Cummins and the squad have shown they are not up to it (at the moment) and survival seems tenuous at most. However, I will say, again, that I do not think that promotion back to SL will be automatic. We have seen that many of our players are not even top Championship quality. Others, who are, could seek another Championship club. Those few who are SL quality will leave, period (the vultures will be out very soon if they ever left). So, the question will be, "how much will Mr Green invest in a Championship side and its infrastructure?" A parachute payment may only pay off debts and loans incurred this year. Unless the team is successful, there will not be a hard core of 5000 supporters and 3000 is nearer the mark. Mr Cummins will remain as he is, at best, a Championship coach, so you must put your faith that he has the qualities to inspire the average to above-average. Leigh, Featherstone, Halifax, Sheffield and Dewsbury will not be also-rans in that division. Finally, Mr Cummins, you are starting to sound like a certain Mr MacNamara in stating the obvious! After being nilled to fifty, at home, of course we expect an improvement! In fact, given Huddersfield's injuries, post-Warrington, I thought a Bulls victory was not inconceiveable. Now, ?. Good luck to all.[/p][/quote]unfortunately you are just about spot on; BPA's bid was the most cash rich and had the strongest business plan but like Mandy K's was geared to taking the Club forward with investment and development. Green had the debenture and as we are yet to see any investment in the team (every signing has been a free or loan player) one can only draw the conclusion that this is the course that he is prepared to take. I fear that there will be nothing magic about this weekend for Bulls fans. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 3

10:54am Wed 14 May 14

good old brownie says...

What happened to te Texas billionaire from Holmewood. Why didn't he ge a shot at the ownership....
What happened to te Texas billionaire from Holmewood. Why didn't he ge a shot at the ownership.... good old brownie
  • Score: 2

1:21pm Wed 14 May 14

raisemeup says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Relegation isn't the problem its how we handle it. I'd rather Green kept money back this season so we can have a full time squad next season.

As far as i can make out we'd play 22 games then spilt into a play off of 8 teams(top 4 championship and bottom 4 SL) The top 4 teams from that league will play in SL the following season. By the end of 2015 Wakefield will be admin again so that will the door open for us to return.

As regards crowds i would have thought we'd still have the hardcore 5000 who stood by the club and bought season tickets this season despite warnings of the club going out of business. The away support might be better than we think. Featherstone and Halifax would bring 1000 thats more than huddersfiled, Catalans, london, salford & widnes bring now!

When Castleford got relegated they kept Danny Brough can't see why we can't keep Gaskell, Addy and a several others especially as we will have more central funding next season than this.

I've also no doubt that in 5 years time the clubs will be calling for a franchise system because boom and bust promotion and relegation isn't working . Either that or the game will have ceased to exist at all in a full time capacity
"Relegation isn't the problem its how we handle it. I'd rather Green kept money back this season so we can have a full time squad next season" .

You are right there Bronco!

As far as i can make out we'd play 22 games then spilt into a play off of 8 teams(top 4 championship and bottom 4 SL) The top 4 teams from that league will play in SL the following season"

It's 23 games as each 8 will play in a magic weekend, the middle 8 will lose all the accrued points for those 23 games at the end of the regular season.
This middle 8 (4 teams from SL ie 9th 10th 11th 12th) will be joined by the top 4 teams from Championship (tier 2) and seven games will be played, presumably then the top 3 teams will go back into SL, with the 4th Team playing the 5th team in that mini league and the winner of that game will be the team that goes up to SL.( Of course it may be possible that the 4 teams that go into SL for 2016 could be the same teams that finished as 9-12 in the SL (tier 1) in 2015. So no promotion or relegation from the second tier will happen?)

"I've also no doubt that in 5 years time the clubs will be calling for a franchise system because boom and bust promotion and relegation isn't working . Either that or the game will have ceased to exist at all in a full time capacity"

Your final quote:

Unfortunately I agree totally with that statement!



"
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Relegation isn't the problem its how we handle it. I'd rather Green kept money back this season so we can have a full time squad next season. As far as i can make out we'd play 22 games then spilt into a play off of 8 teams(top 4 championship and bottom 4 SL) The top 4 teams from that league will play in SL the following season. By the end of 2015 Wakefield will be admin again so that will the door open for us to return. As regards crowds i would have thought we'd still have the hardcore 5000 who stood by the club and bought season tickets this season despite warnings of the club going out of business. The away support might be better than we think. Featherstone and Halifax would bring 1000 thats more than huddersfiled, Catalans, london, salford & widnes bring now! When Castleford got relegated they kept Danny Brough can't see why we can't keep Gaskell, Addy and a several others especially as we will have more central funding next season than this. I've also no doubt that in 5 years time the clubs will be calling for a franchise system because boom and bust promotion and relegation isn't working . Either that or the game will have ceased to exist at all in a full time capacity[/p][/quote]"Relegation isn't the problem its how we handle it. I'd rather Green kept money back this season so we can have a full time squad next season" . You are right there Bronco! As far as i can make out we'd play 22 games then spilt into a play off of 8 teams(top 4 championship and bottom 4 SL) The top 4 teams from that league will play in SL the following season" It's 23 games as each 8 will play in a magic weekend, the middle 8 will lose all the accrued points for those 23 games at the end of the regular season. This middle 8 (4 teams from SL ie 9th 10th 11th 12th) will be joined by the top 4 teams from Championship (tier 2) and seven games will be played, presumably then the top 3 teams will go back into SL, with the 4th Team playing the 5th team in that mini league and the winner of that game will be the team that goes up to SL.( Of course it may be possible that the 4 teams that go into SL for 2016 could be the same teams that finished as 9-12 in the SL (tier 1) in 2015. So no promotion or relegation from the second tier will happen?) "I've also no doubt that in 5 years time the clubs will be calling for a franchise system because boom and bust promotion and relegation isn't working . Either that or the game will have ceased to exist at all in a full time capacity" Your final quote: Unfortunately I agree totally with that statement! " raisemeup
  • Score: 0

1:32pm Thu 15 May 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Raisemeup,
I have been saying for months on this forum that the game in its present state will not survive another 5 years.Something needs to change dramatically at Red Hall with their strategy.The Super League chairmen or sponsors or donors will eventually get their own way and run Super League as a different entity to the remaining clubs.Either that or their money will be withdrawn and the game will be back to part time.Who can blame them,why should their money help to prop up clubs who are losing money hand over fist.Mark my words,the Bulls are only the start of the downward spiral unless drastic action is taken by Red Hall.
Raisemeup, I have been saying for months on this forum that the game in its present state will not survive another 5 years.Something needs to change dramatically at Red Hall with their strategy.The Super League chairmen or sponsors or donors will eventually get their own way and run Super League as a different entity to the remaining clubs.Either that or their money will be withdrawn and the game will be back to part time.Who can blame them,why should their money help to prop up clubs who are losing money hand over fist.Mark my words,the Bulls are only the start of the downward spiral unless drastic action is taken by Red Hall. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

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