Wakefield chairman wants Bradford Bulls' points penalty upheld

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Wakefield chairman wants Bradford Bulls' points penalty upheld Wakefield chairman wants Bradford Bulls' points penalty upheld

Wakefield chairman Michael Carter would consider quitting rugby league if Bradford succeed in overturning their points deduction for going into administration.

The Bulls this week launched an appeal to win back the six points they were docked for breaching the Rugby Football League’s insolvency regulations earlier this year.

They are currently bottom of Super League on minus two and, along with London Broncos, are currently favourites to be relegated at the end of the season.

Having won just two of their opening eight matches, the Wildcats are seen as the club most likely to be affected if the Bulls are successful with their appeal, which Carter believes would be unfair.

Having sold a host of players and put his house up as security to ease debts of around £600,000 and prevent Wakefield from going into administration last August, Carter also argues that it would set an unfortunate precedent if Bradford escape punishment.

“I’m not having a go at Bradford - I would probably do the same thing - but we were told that, in all probability, if we had gone into administration last August, then we would have got kicked out of Super League because the clubs were looking to get down to 12,” said Carter.

“If we had gone into administration, we probably wouldn’t have got our licence to play this season, yet it seems to me we’re not playing off the same playing field here.

“It would have been quite easy for us to go into administration with the consequence of lots of businesses losing out on lots of money.

“I’m pretty proud of the way we’ve managed to turn the business around. We’ve made sure everybody has got paid to the detriment of our team. We had to sell seven or eight players to bring money in.

“We got told one thing and it seems to me that Bradford are going down another line that we weren’t allowed to pursue at that time.”

Bradford’s appeal is based on their assertion that the insolvency event arose solely as a result of force majeure, in that the club’s administration occurred in circumstances that were unforeseeable and unavoidable.

The RFL says the appeal will be heard “as soon as possible” by a specially-convened independent sporting sanctions appeal panel chaired by a qualified solicitor or barrister which has the right to uphold the deduction, reduce the severity or overthrow it.

Carter added: “I’m forever the pessimist so I’m preparing myself for the worst-case scenario, which is that they’ll get all six points back and that would be pretty unfair, bearing in mind what we were told.

“We tried to do things the right way and, if Bradford do end up getting the whole six points back, for want of a better phrase, they’ve got away with it, haven’t they?

“They haven’t particularly had to break up the team like we did. Obviously we got (Nick) Scruton and (Jarrod) Sammut from them but we did that all above board.

“If there is no penalty for going into administration, then what’s to stop us going into administration? We wouldn’t do it now because our debts aren’t particularly great.

“We’ve managed to pay the majority off. I put my house on the line, as did my business partner Chris Brereton, to clear off some of these debts so we’ve still having to repay that to make sure we get our houses back.

“It’s going to stick in my throat a little bit if the penalty for going into administration ends up being nothing. I wouldn’t make a decision now but it would probably be the beginning of the end for me in rugby league I would have thought because it seems to me, if you do the right thing, then you’re not really getting the rewards.

“It’s a difficult one. There’s going to be winners and losers out of it unfortunately. Obviously I hope we come out of it okay because by and large we tried to do the right thing.”

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5:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

JAtkinson says...

It's hard to disagree with him in many ways, and I can see his point of view... until he says it was all above board in Wakey getting Scrutes and Sammut, which was more about us not having them than them having them. If he's OK with gamesmanship like that, he should be OK with Bulls doing all they can to ensure their survival.

I think it's interesting that he's putting a lot of emphasis on Bulls getting 6 points back - obviously saying to Red Hall that that can't happen - suggesting that Bulls have a good chance of getting something. I'd accept 6 points back but wouldn't think it was fair, but losing 4, like other teams did, is more befitting if Marc Green has done something to put Bulls on a more even keel with creditors (mainly himself).
It's hard to disagree with him in many ways, and I can see his point of view... until he says it was all above board in Wakey getting Scrutes and Sammut, which was more about us not having them than them having them. If he's OK with gamesmanship like that, he should be OK with Bulls doing all they can to ensure their survival. I think it's interesting that he's putting a lot of emphasis on Bulls getting 6 points back - obviously saying to Red Hall that that can't happen - suggesting that Bulls have a good chance of getting something. I'd accept 6 points back but wouldn't think it was fair, but losing 4, like other teams did, is more befitting if Marc Green has done something to put Bulls on a more even keel with creditors (mainly himself). JAtkinson
  • Score: 14

6:33pm Wed 16 Apr 14

NORTHER1964 says...

That's really funny Carter, wasn't it your club who was in admin twice about 7 years ago the first time you got 4 points deducted and then within 12 months you went into admin a second time in which you got another 4 points deduction to only get 1 point back after you appealed and that 1 point you got back relegated Salford so stop whinging you hypocrite.
That's really funny Carter, wasn't it your club who was in admin twice about 7 years ago the first time you got 4 points deducted and then within 12 months you went into admin a second time in which you got another 4 points deduction to only get 1 point back after you appealed and that 1 point you got back relegated Salford so stop whinging you hypocrite. NORTHER1964
  • Score: 17

6:52pm Wed 16 Apr 14

raisemeup says...

This is the press articles following Wakefield's the situation they faced when the main sponsor went to the wall.

It somewhat gives a better picture to the one he talks about, as the RFL granted them a loan of over £300k to help them survive, and in the previous administration it was stated that the RFL helped them at that time.

Wakefield newspaper report August 2013,

Wakefield Trinity Wildcats were half-an-hour from becoming a Championship One club according to chairman Michael Carter.
In an exclusive interview with the Wakefield Express this week, Carter explains how close Trinity came to going into administration and falling out of Super League.
Looking back on the moment in August when he and director Chris Brereton took over at the club, Carter said: “We were half-an-hour from going into administration. Me and Chris were sat there at the point where we had to sign up to get a loan from the RFL and we both thought: ‘Are we going to do this or not?’
“We believed what we could do at the club and we believed that we could take the loan and pay it back over the next 18 months but it was that close.
“Some people think that if we had gone into administration we would have been in the Championship next year. We wouldn’t have been in the Championship, we would have been in Championship One, at best.”

And another report:
Wakefield wildcats have moved to allay fears over the future of the club after they were the subject of another winding-up petition.
The rugby league club’s chairman Andrew Glover has revealed the club has recently been the subject of nine county Court judgments (CCJs) in addition to facing a winding-up petition
issued by HMRC on Friday.
The local businessman traces the problems back to the loss of the club’s main sponsor earlier this year and the postponement due to bad weather of the Wildcats’ attractive fixture with Leeds.
Glover says the two blows left the club with a £300,000 shortfall but he expects that to be offset by the arrival of a replacement sponsor, the appointment of new commercial staff and the sale of 2014 season tickets.
Local businessman Glover took control of Wakefield in February 2011 after bringing the club out of administration.

The Wildcats were faced with a winding-up petition from HM Revenue and Customs over an unpaid tax bill of more than £300,000 and their financial difficulties resurfaced recently when Glover revealed the club had been the subject of nine county court judgments.

The First Administration: 2011.

NoteThe RFL finger in that pie?

The Rugby Football League have backed Wakefield Wildcats as efforts to rescue the engage Super League club continue.
RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer feels going into administration can give the club a chance to 'draw a line' under their difficulties.
He believes they could have new owners by the season's start on Saturday week, but hinted the process could damage their hopes of staying in Super League beyond this year.

Make up your own mind, but remember we have also lost 6 first team players, and have a smaller squad because of it, plus Wakey also get an extra £50k per year courtesy of our reduction of SKY money.
This is the press articles following Wakefield's the situation they faced when the main sponsor went to the wall. It somewhat gives a better picture to the one he talks about, as the RFL granted them a loan of over £300k to help them survive, and in the previous administration it was stated that the RFL helped them at that time. Wakefield newspaper report August 2013, Wakefield Trinity Wildcats were half-an-hour from becoming a Championship One club according to chairman Michael Carter. In an exclusive interview with the Wakefield Express this week, Carter explains how close Trinity came to going into administration and falling out of Super League. Looking back on the moment in August when he and director Chris Brereton took over at the club, Carter said: “We were half-an-hour from going into administration. Me and Chris were sat there at the point where we had to sign up to get a loan from the RFL and we both thought: ‘Are we going to do this or not?’ “We believed what we could do at the club and we believed that we could take the loan and pay it back over the next 18 months but it was that close. “Some people think that if we had gone into administration we would have been in the Championship next year. We wouldn’t have been in the Championship, we would have been in Championship One, at best.” And another report: Wakefield wildcats have moved to allay fears over the future of the club after they were the subject of another winding-up petition. The rugby league club’s chairman Andrew Glover has revealed the club has recently been the subject of nine county Court judgments (CCJs) in addition to facing a winding-up petition issued by HMRC on Friday. The local businessman traces the problems back to the loss of the club’s main sponsor earlier this year and the postponement due to bad weather of the Wildcats’ attractive fixture with Leeds. Glover says the two blows left the club with a £300,000 shortfall but he expects that to be offset by the arrival of a replacement sponsor, the appointment of new commercial staff and the sale of 2014 season tickets. Local businessman Glover took control of Wakefield in February 2011 after bringing the club out of administration. The Wildcats were faced with a winding-up petition from HM Revenue and Customs over an unpaid tax bill of more than £300,000 and their financial difficulties resurfaced recently when Glover revealed the club had been the subject of nine county court judgments. The First Administration: 2011. NoteThe RFL finger in that pie? The Rugby Football League have backed Wakefield Wildcats as efforts to rescue the engage Super League club continue. RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer feels going into administration can give the club a chance to 'draw a line' under their difficulties. He believes they could have new owners by the season's start on Saturday week, but hinted the process could damage their hopes of staying in Super League beyond this year. Make up your own mind, but remember we have also lost 6 first team players, and have a smaller squad because of it, plus Wakey also get an extra £50k per year courtesy of our reduction of SKY money. raisemeup
  • Score: 17

9:38pm Wed 16 Apr 14

axelf1963 says...

He is dead right, Heard Viking say Friday in cue gardens bulls deserve another 2 point deduction if they appeal
He is dead right, Heard Viking say Friday in cue gardens bulls deserve another 2 point deduction if they appeal axelf1963
  • Score: -3

12:26am Thu 17 Apr 14

tezzawils says...

We the bulls are on a no win situation if we get points back or don't they will always be other clubs who regret what comes the way of the bulls I don't know what we have done wrong but whatever the outcome we the bulls lose . The statement from Michael carter sums up,what he and a few other clubs think about the bulls .since we was successful in super league there seems to be a vendetta . We. Was slammed with points deductions for salary cap rules then the Harris affair and if that weren't enough w had the Orford affair a player whom played only an handful of games for us but alas we had to honour his whole three years contract . Then to add insult we was penalised with sky money and Michael Carter has had his share of bulls money but still comes up with this statement it shows just how low the game of rugby league has become .
We the bulls are on a no win situation if we get points back or don't they will always be other clubs who regret what comes the way of the bulls I don't know what we have done wrong but whatever the outcome we the bulls lose . The statement from Michael carter sums up,what he and a few other clubs think about the bulls .since we was successful in super league there seems to be a vendetta . We. Was slammed with points deductions for salary cap rules then the Harris affair and if that weren't enough w had the Orford affair a player whom played only an handful of games for us but alas we had to honour his whole three years contract . Then to add insult we was penalised with sky money and Michael Carter has had his share of bulls money but still comes up with this statement it shows just how low the game of rugby league has become . tezzawils
  • Score: 5

7:20am Thu 17 Apr 14

bartsbull says...

Mr Carter must not give lot of hope of his team staying up if he is wanting us to stay with the points deduction
Wakey have been bailed out more times than a sinking ship yet they have never had there monies taken of them and they still could not keep a tight hold of the reins having to sell players to keep the club going
Two players were sold to them to reduce our debits they have benifited from our demise and had the extra money that was shared out between the other clubs
The RFL have sanctioned that the Bulls have the right to appeal so it is in the rules Mr Carter so stop winging COYB
Mr Carter must not give lot of hope of his team staying up if he is wanting us to stay with the points deduction Wakey have been bailed out more times than a sinking ship yet they have never had there monies taken of them and they still could not keep a tight hold of the reins having to sell players to keep the club going Two players were sold to them to reduce our debits they have benifited from our demise and had the extra money that was shared out between the other clubs The RFL have sanctioned that the Bulls have the right to appeal so it is in the rules Mr Carter so stop winging COYB bartsbull
  • Score: 4

7:21am Thu 17 Apr 14

bradfordbronco says...

axelf1963 wrote:
He is dead right, Heard Viking say Friday in cue gardens bulls deserve another 2 point deduction if they appeal
Daily Viking mention!
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: He is dead right, Heard Viking say Friday in cue gardens bulls deserve another 2 point deduction if they appeal[/p][/quote]Daily Viking mention! bradfordbronco
  • Score: 3

7:33am Thu 17 Apr 14

bradfordbronco says...

What the reports show is much mess the clubs are in. If losing £300,000 sponsorship almost put them into admin its a good thing they didn't get £750,000 of sky money deducted aswell. Wakefield also got an extra £50,000 on top of their sky money. They also got the play off monies in 2012 when thebulls finished 8th must missed out on the play offs because of the 6 points deduction.

Wakefield may have sold a few players but they've replaced them with others Sammut and Scruton wouldnt have come cheap never mind Ali Lauiti.

All those in favour of relegation and promotion argued for the results on the field to decide who got into SL. rather than off field matters. If the Bulls got 6 points back then all clubs could battle it out fairly and the 12 best teams would stay in SL. That was the idea behind bring in promotion and relegation wasn't it?
What the reports show is much mess the clubs are in. If losing £300,000 sponsorship almost put them into admin its a good thing they didn't get £750,000 of sky money deducted aswell. Wakefield also got an extra £50,000 on top of their sky money. They also got the play off monies in 2012 when thebulls finished 8th must missed out on the play offs because of the 6 points deduction. Wakefield may have sold a few players but they've replaced them with others Sammut and Scruton wouldnt have come cheap never mind Ali Lauiti. All those in favour of relegation and promotion argued for the results on the field to decide who got into SL. rather than off field matters. If the Bulls got 6 points back then all clubs could battle it out fairly and the 12 best teams would stay in SL. That was the idea behind bring in promotion and relegation wasn't it? bradfordbronco
  • Score: 6

10:32am Thu 17 Apr 14

axelf1963 says...

Rubbish, You are trying To bend the rules take it on the chin and get on with it instead of moaning
Rubbish, You are trying To bend the rules take it on the chin and get on with it instead of moaning axelf1963
  • Score: 0

12:53pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Videoref says...

Methinks even with our players he got for nothing, £50,000 extra Sky money and a much bigger squad than us, he is still worried they will get relegated unless they are not playing on a level field ie other clubs being minus 6 points to give him a 3 game start. Nice to see he is confident in Agar's ability.
Methinks even with our players he got for nothing, £50,000 extra Sky money and a much bigger squad than us, he is still worried they will get relegated unless they are not playing on a level field ie other clubs being minus 6 points to give him a 3 game start. Nice to see he is confident in Agar's ability. Videoref
  • Score: 2

7:23pm Thu 17 Apr 14

Leagueman says...

What a sporting statement from previously troubled outfit. Anyone else would look at things and wish the club well but not this bloke.
It has been stated about the players and the extra split of our money but I would draw supporters attention to the input to super league of both teams since inauguration in 96. I won't try to list here what achievements and innovations we have added to the whole scene plus the extra visiting fan revenue we have given to all clubs, being one of the best away supported teams in the league. It just remains to list Wakefields achievements and useful
Input. ------------------- There we are then enough said.
What a sporting statement from previously troubled outfit. Anyone else would look at things and wish the club well but not this bloke. It has been stated about the players and the extra split of our money but I would draw supporters attention to the input to super league of both teams since inauguration in 96. I won't try to list here what achievements and innovations we have added to the whole scene plus the extra visiting fan revenue we have given to all clubs, being one of the best away supported teams in the league. It just remains to list Wakefields achievements and useful Input. ------------------- There we are then enough said. Leagueman
  • Score: 1

7:42am Fri 18 Apr 14

bradfordbronco says...

So after years of Wakefield telling everyone it should be on filed performances that decide who gets into SL not Crowds, facilities, development areas etc they now want of field matters such as points deductions, reduced salary caps to decide who stays up.

If this guy mortgaged his house to pay off a £3000,000 loan then he'd have been better paying off £200,000 of the loan off instead of giving it to Sammut and Scruton That was his decision not ours.
So after years of Wakefield telling everyone it should be on filed performances that decide who gets into SL not Crowds, facilities, development areas etc they now want of field matters such as points deductions, reduced salary caps to decide who stays up. If this guy mortgaged his house to pay off a £3000,000 loan then he'd have been better paying off £200,000 of the loan off instead of giving it to Sammut and Scruton That was his decision not ours. bradfordbronco
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