Traumatised Bradford Bulls in need of a lucky break

Elliot Kear of the Bulls looks to grab a loose ball at Hull KR - Pictures: Simon Renilson/Hull Daily Mail

Hull KR v Bulls match action

Hull KR v Bulls match action

Hull KR v Bulls match action

Hull KR v Bulls match action

Hull KR v Bulls match action

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Hull KR 16, Bradford Bulls 0

The rugby gods are just not smiling on the Bulls right now – far from it, in fact.

In the opening quarter of yesterday’s match, Francis Cummins had seen his side lose two key players to injury and concede two tries.

Skipper Matt Diskin was helped off the field in the tenth minute with a torn calf and prop Adam Sidlow followed him soon after with a suspected broken leg.

By that point, tries from Omari Caro and Kris Keating had put Hull KR in control.

Bradford, although riddled with handling errors in difficult, rain-soaked conditions, battled valiantly thereafter in keeping Craig Sandercock’s side at bay for the rest of the first half.

A 12-0 interval deficit was far from insurmountable but in truth, the Bulls rarely looked like scoring and a third Rovers try on the hour mark from Kevin Larroyer put the result beyond doubt.

The collective spirit that Cummins has fostered in his small, tight-knit squad was clear to see once again, exemplified by a much-improved goal-line defensive display.

But the off-field uncertainty surrounding the club is casting a huge shadow over their survival prospects.

The Bulls have now spent six matches in administration and nobody seems any the wiser as to when new owners will be in place, least of all Cummins and his players.

It emerged over the weekend that the London-based consortium fronted by Richard Lamb, the preferred bidder whose offer was accepted by administrator David Wilson on Thursday, was nowhere close to sealing the deal.

They were given a number of deadlines by the Rugby Football League to provide proof of funds by Friday.

They did not manage to do so and so the fight for ownership of the club is effectively back on.

The governing body wanted to see £1million as evidence of the consortium’s ability to not only purchase the club from the administrator for a fee of around £290,000 but to fund it for the rest of the year.

The delay is seriously hampering the Bulls’ chances of surviving relegation from Super League.

They cannot buy the players they so desperately need to bolster their threadbare squad.

Right now the club feels like a sinking ship, or certainly a rudderless one, as there are no directors or chairman to fund or sanction any new signings.

So the Bulls will be down to the bare bones for next Sunday’s trip to Widnes, with both Diskin and Sidlow set for lengthy spells on the sidelines.

Jamie Foster was missing through illness yesterday, affording Sam Wood an opportunity to make his first senior appearance of the season on the left wing.

Matty Blythe also featured for the first time this year after recovering from a thumb injury he sustained during a training session in late December.

The former Warrington man started on the bench and the return of Sidlow and Anthony Mullally also represented a major boost with Chev Walker out suspended.

Sidlow had missed the Huddersfield defeat due to illness, while Mullally was ineligible to face his parent club, so their availability considerably strengthened the Bulls’ front row.

There was also a return to the starting line-up for Elliot Kear owing to the absence of Luke George, who was reduced to the sidelines by a hamstring injury picked up against the Giants.

The under-19s side lost 40-16 in the curtain-raiser yesterday and the current scarcity of Cummins’ resources was underlined by the fact that Oliver Roberts played the first half for Richard Tunningley’s side before being named as 18th man for the senior team.

Rovers named former Bulls stalwart Jamie Langley at loose forward, a position he filled with distinction for the best part of 12 seasons in the red, amber and black before heading east to Hull KR.

The Bulls actually began the game on the front foot and were awarded an early penalty after James Donaldson was caught by a high shot from Josh Hodgson.

Diskin began to combine effectively with Luke Gale and Liam Sutcliffe but the Bulls skipper’s errant offload put paid to a promising move close to the Robins’ line.

Two successive sets having come to nothing, Rovers quickly came to dominate territory and pushed the Bulls back towards their own line.

The hosts’ front-row pairing of Justin Poore and Mick Weyman laid the platform and Travis Burns began to dovetail effectively with half-back partner Keating.

A fine run from Ben Cockayne almost played in Liam Salter inside the right channel before Diskin was forced to depart in the tenth minute to be replaced by Adam O’Brien, who did himself proud with his performance and now looks set for a run in the team as a starting hooker.

Moments later, Burns kicked to the left corner, Kear failed to deal with it and Caro was on hand to ground the loose ball.

Burns added the extras, while Weyman and Poore continued to punch holes up front for the home side.

In the 15th minute, Sidlow knocked on from the first tackle and three minutes later Rovers scored again.

This time Burns drove at the heart of the Bulls’ defence and skipped past Sutcliffe’s attempted tackle before showing intelligence to usher the supporting Keating over from ten metres out.

Burns added the extras again and Mullally soon replaced Manase Manuokafoa before Sidlow went down and was helped off the field in similar fashion to Diskin.

He was replaced by Blythe and, to the Bulls’ credit, they defended doggedly to keep Rovers out again before the break.

Indeed, the damage could have been worse had Kris Welham not been halted just short of the line and Caro not had a try disallowed for a forward pass.

The Bulls created precious little but O’Brien almost scooted over from acting half. What Gale and Sutcliffe tried generally did not work but the Bulls spent much of the first half on the back foot.

They steadied themselves at the break but Rovers grabbed the crucial first try of the second half when second-rower Larroyer collected Burns’ neat grubber kick to score in the right corner on the hour mark.

Rovers then conceded back-to-back penalties and Burns was placed on report for a dangerous tackle on Blythe.

The Bulls were certainly more competitive in the second half but genuine try-scoring opportunities were few for both sides.

There were too many knock-ons from Bradford to force any sustained pressure on Rovers’ line but they never threw in the towel.

The Bulls need more than spirit to stay up, though.

They need new owners and new players.

Attendance: 7,008

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7:24am Mon 24 Mar 14

Miss Doubtfire says...

So basically, tell the administrator you have millions to pump into the club and your bid, as the highest one, will be the chosen one. Only then do you have to prove you have the funds to the governing body. Surely this should have been done at stage one by the administrator. That is how it looks any way. If this isn't the case then why is the administrator not explaining himself to the fans. His silence is deafening through this sorry state of affairs.
So basically, tell the administrator you have millions to pump into the club and your bid, as the highest one, will be the chosen one. Only then do you have to prove you have the funds to the governing body. Surely this should have been done at stage one by the administrator. That is how it looks any way. If this isn't the case then why is the administrator not explaining himself to the fans. His silence is deafening through this sorry state of affairs. Miss Doubtfire
  • Score: 14

7:56am Mon 24 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

Why do the RFL want them to prove they have a £1m to invest on top of the purchase price. They could prove they have the £1m then NOT invest it! Not sure why this obstacle has been put in place but then this is the RFL.

They have a vision for a game that involves small community clubs such as Featherstone, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR, London, Leigh etc fighting for promotion/ relegation each season on gates of less than 7000. They seem to think that sponsors or SKY TV or the rest of the sporting public will find this in least bit interesting that they'll be queueing up to watch or invest. Either that or they'll be wanting to see leeds v Wigan for the fourth time each season.

The RTFL need to get a grip quickly, the game is dyeing and they're speeding up the process. Radical change is needed asap. Only Leeds and possibly Wigan make a profit. saints might break even the rest are just being falsely propped up by millionaires.

10000 crowds aren't good enough. Time merge Widnes and warrington, Hull and Hull KR, Wakefield, cas, featherstone, Bradford and halifax. clubs in Cumbria, those in Manchester and Souith Yorks. We need hates of 20000 otherwise the game dies
Why do the RFL want them to prove they have a £1m to invest on top of the purchase price. They could prove they have the £1m then NOT invest it! Not sure why this obstacle has been put in place but then this is the RFL. They have a vision for a game that involves small community clubs such as Featherstone, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR, London, Leigh etc fighting for promotion/ relegation each season on gates of less than 7000. They seem to think that sponsors or SKY TV or the rest of the sporting public will find this in least bit interesting that they'll be queueing up to watch or invest. Either that or they'll be wanting to see leeds v Wigan for the fourth time each season. The RTFL need to get a grip quickly, the game is dyeing and they're speeding up the process. Radical change is needed asap. Only Leeds and possibly Wigan make a profit. saints might break even the rest are just being falsely propped up by millionaires. 10000 crowds aren't good enough. Time merge Widnes and warrington, Hull and Hull KR, Wakefield, cas, featherstone, Bradford and halifax. clubs in Cumbria, those in Manchester and Souith Yorks. We need hates of 20000 otherwise the game dies bradfordbronco
  • Score: -2

8:05am Mon 24 Mar 14

bartsbull says...

This take over is becoming a farce the RFL need a big clear out Mr Koukash
is right this lot could not run a corner shop
First the administrator says a bid as been accepted they have the funds an announcement will be this week then this morning they have not provded proof of funds
I for one hope that Mandy Koukash comes back in with a higher bid or let us or someone tells us fans and players an staff the truth as to what is going on if we are going down tothe lower div let us know the payers can at least tryand find a club they have given there all for ours and deserve to be treated better
This take over is becoming a farce the RFL need a big clear out Mr Koukash is right this lot could not run a corner shop First the administrator says a bid as been accepted they have the funds an announcement will be this week then this morning they have not provded proof of funds I for one hope that Mandy Koukash comes back in with a higher bid or let us or someone tells us fans and players an staff the truth as to what is going on if we are going down tothe lower div let us know the payers can at least tryand find a club they have given there all for ours and deserve to be treated better bartsbull
  • Score: 4

8:50am Mon 24 Mar 14

RhinosFanWhoHatesBulls says...

Wish we could of let you have some of our points Friday night lads ;)
Wish we could of let you have some of our points Friday night lads ;) RhinosFanWhoHatesBulls
  • Score: 10

9:23am Mon 24 Mar 14

Videoref says...

I said last week this bid was flakey and was told it was the norm not to disclose all your funds at once. Seems I might have been right to be suspicious doesn't it? Anyone got Mandy's phone number?
I said last week this bid was flakey and was told it was the norm not to disclose all your funds at once. Seems I might have been right to be suspicious doesn't it? Anyone got Mandy's phone number? Videoref
  • Score: 2

9:36am Mon 24 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

My prediction is that the club will fold this week.Nobody,in their right mind is going to be held to ransom by the inept RFL.We have now played the 6th game of the season,next week a quarter of the season has gone and still no decision will have been taken.The Bulls cannot carry on like this.It is certainly not fair on the Coach and Players to put their livelihoods at risk week after week not knowing what is going to happen from week to week.My personal opinion is for the Bulls to grant the RFL their wish and resign from the League with immediate effect and let them annul the points the Bulls have got and sort out who gets them.That way London will have 4 points in their fight for survival.Then it will be Wakefeilds turn to be put under scrutiny by the RFL.Somewhere along the line they will be deducted points and "Hey Presto" London are safe and a ground that only holds 5000 will be not fit for Super League.Then,as somebody has pointed out promotion and relegation will be abolished,the salary cap will go and the RFL will have got their way.Then in 5 years time the game will be back to part time.Who will be to blame?The good old amateurs at Red Hall.
My prediction is that the club will fold this week.Nobody,in their right mind is going to be held to ransom by the inept RFL.We have now played the 6th game of the season,next week a quarter of the season has gone and still no decision will have been taken.The Bulls cannot carry on like this.It is certainly not fair on the Coach and Players to put their livelihoods at risk week after week not knowing what is going to happen from week to week.My personal opinion is for the Bulls to grant the RFL their wish and resign from the League with immediate effect and let them annul the points the Bulls have got and sort out who gets them.That way London will have 4 points in their fight for survival.Then it will be Wakefeilds turn to be put under scrutiny by the RFL.Somewhere along the line they will be deducted points and "Hey Presto" London are safe and a ground that only holds 5000 will be not fit for Super League.Then,as somebody has pointed out promotion and relegation will be abolished,the salary cap will go and the RFL will have got their way.Then in 5 years time the game will be back to part time.Who will be to blame?The good old amateurs at Red Hall. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 5

9:47am Mon 24 Mar 14

Essexbull2 says...

This situation makes the last 2 years look like plain sailing. The fans are being short changed and more importantly, Franny and the players are being treated with contempt, instead of heroes, by the administrator. At least Brendan Guilfoyle communicated with us, but this administrator doesn't say anything.

It can't carry on and tend to agree with spanglishbull ... it hurts me to say this having been a Northern/Bulls fan for over 23 years, but either a serious bid is accepted or the club should be allowed to fold as this is a complete fiasco that also undermines the sport as a whole.

As for the RFL, as usual, are allowing all of the good coverage work done for RLWC2013 to be steadily undermined by this saga ... whilst the RFU get almost 84,000 watching Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley on Saturday.
This situation makes the last 2 years look like plain sailing. The fans are being short changed and more importantly, Franny and the players are being treated with contempt, instead of heroes, by the administrator. At least Brendan Guilfoyle communicated with us, but this administrator doesn't say anything. It can't carry on and tend to agree with spanglishbull ... it hurts me to say this having been a Northern/Bulls fan for over 23 years, but either a serious bid is accepted or the club should be allowed to fold as this is a complete fiasco that also undermines the sport as a whole. As for the RFL, as usual, are allowing all of the good coverage work done for RLWC2013 to be steadily undermined by this saga ... whilst the RFU get almost 84,000 watching Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley on Saturday. Essexbull2
  • Score: -1

12:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

hunsworthbull says...

I have been going to Odsal since 1965 it will be sad if we are at the end of the road. We can always thank Wood and co for ending rugby in Bradford and keeping it going in London they are a total bunch of morons. It will be the beginning of the end of super league if Wood and co are allowed to remain running the RFL
I have been going to Odsal since 1965 it will be sad if we are at the end of the road. We can always thank Wood and co for ending rugby in Bradford and keeping it going in London they are a total bunch of morons. It will be the beginning of the end of super league if Wood and co are allowed to remain running the RFL hunsworthbull
  • Score: 3

12:45pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I said this last week, the best deal for the creditors is not the best deal for the club.
Lamb can bid £300k for the club and be in the "prime seats" for the takeover but when asked by the RFL to prove funding he doesn't seem to be able to do so which makes you wonder what is his long term vision for the club?
Where as Mandy appears to have put in a low bid on the basis it isn't her mess to clean up so they can put whatever they desire from the Dr's £900m wealth in after takeover.
The administator therefore sides with Lamb but Lamb can't satisfy the RFL. Outcome, limbo and another nail in the coffin.
If Lamb hasn't or can't prove he has the money he should stand aside, the club has been run by to many people who talk the talk but can't walk the walk which is why it's on it's knees.
I said this last week, the best deal for the creditors is not the best deal for the club. Lamb can bid £300k for the club and be in the "prime seats" for the takeover but when asked by the RFL to prove funding he doesn't seem to be able to do so which makes you wonder what is his long term vision for the club? Where as Mandy appears to have put in a low bid on the basis it isn't her mess to clean up so they can put whatever they desire from the Dr's £900m wealth in after takeover. The administator therefore sides with Lamb but Lamb can't satisfy the RFL. Outcome, limbo and another nail in the coffin. If Lamb hasn't or can't prove he has the money he should stand aside, the club has been run by to many people who talk the talk but can't walk the walk which is why it's on it's knees. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 5

12:49pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do the RFL want them to prove they have a £1m to invest on top of the purchase price. They could prove they have the £1m then NOT invest it! Not sure why this obstacle has been put in place but then this is the RFL. They have a vision for a game that involves small community clubs such as Featherstone, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR, London, Leigh etc fighting for promotion/ relegation each season on gates of less than 7000. They seem to think that sponsors or SKY TV or the rest of the sporting public will find this in least bit interesting that they'll be queueing up to watch or invest. Either that or they'll be wanting to see leeds v Wigan for the fourth time each season. The RTFL need to get a grip quickly, the game is dyeing and they're speeding up the process. Radical change is needed asap. Only Leeds and possibly Wigan make a profit. saints might break even the rest are just being falsely propped up by millionaires. 10000 crowds aren't good enough. Time merge Widnes and warrington, Hull and Hull KR, Wakefield, cas, featherstone, Bradford and halifax. clubs in Cumbria, those in Manchester and Souith Yorks. We need hates of 20000 otherwise the game dies
Why do the RFL want them to prove they have £1m to invest on top of the purchase price?

Because it's once bitten twice shy. Maybe they should have been this insistant with Khan and the club wouldn't be in the mess it is now.

All the funding Khan put in was from loans from all over the place, the council, banks, Marc Green, etc.

Like you say there is nothing to say the buyer puts any money in at all even if they prove funding, but it is a step that needs to be taken.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do the RFL want them to prove they have a £1m to invest on top of the purchase price. They could prove they have the £1m then NOT invest it! Not sure why this obstacle has been put in place but then this is the RFL. They have a vision for a game that involves small community clubs such as Featherstone, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR, London, Leigh etc fighting for promotion/ relegation each season on gates of less than 7000. They seem to think that sponsors or SKY TV or the rest of the sporting public will find this in least bit interesting that they'll be queueing up to watch or invest. Either that or they'll be wanting to see leeds v Wigan for the fourth time each season. The RTFL need to get a grip quickly, the game is dyeing and they're speeding up the process. Radical change is needed asap. Only Leeds and possibly Wigan make a profit. saints might break even the rest are just being falsely propped up by millionaires. 10000 crowds aren't good enough. Time merge Widnes and warrington, Hull and Hull KR, Wakefield, cas, featherstone, Bradford and halifax. clubs in Cumbria, those in Manchester and Souith Yorks. We need hates of 20000 otherwise the game dies[/p][/quote]Why do the RFL want them to prove they have £1m to invest on top of the purchase price? Because it's once bitten twice shy. Maybe they should have been this insistant with Khan and the club wouldn't be in the mess it is now. All the funding Khan put in was from loans from all over the place, the council, banks, Marc Green, etc. Like you say there is nothing to say the buyer puts any money in at all even if they prove funding, but it is a step that needs to be taken. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 2

1:14pm Mon 24 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R.
You are spot on with your assessment of the bidding process.Would anybody with any sense agree to pay off somebody else,s loans and debts to get their fingers burned with more and more debts showing up.I agree with what you are saying re the Koukash bid.He has not made his money by throwing money away.You are probably correct that they put in a low bid hoping to get the club and then making their own decision on how much they were prepared to spend to build the club back up.By the sound of it they are still interested but on their terms.This possibly could be the last chance that the RFL and the Bulls have.
T.V.O.R. You are spot on with your assessment of the bidding process.Would anybody with any sense agree to pay off somebody else,s loans and debts to get their fingers burned with more and more debts showing up.I agree with what you are saying re the Koukash bid.He has not made his money by throwing money away.You are probably correct that they put in a low bid hoping to get the club and then making their own decision on how much they were prepared to spend to build the club back up.By the sound of it they are still interested but on their terms.This possibly could be the last chance that the RFL and the Bulls have. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do the RFL want them to prove they have a £1m to invest on top of the purchase price. They could prove they have the £1m then NOT invest it! Not sure why this obstacle has been put in place but then this is the RFL. They have a vision for a game that involves small community clubs such as Featherstone, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR, London, Leigh etc fighting for promotion/ relegation each season on gates of less than 7000. They seem to think that sponsors or SKY TV or the rest of the sporting public will find this in least bit interesting that they'll be queueing up to watch or invest. Either that or they'll be wanting to see leeds v Wigan for the fourth time each season. The RTFL need to get a grip quickly, the game is dyeing and they're speeding up the process. Radical change is needed asap. Only Leeds and possibly Wigan make a profit. saints might break even the rest are just being falsely propped up by millionaires. 10000 crowds aren't good enough. Time merge Widnes and warrington, Hull and Hull KR, Wakefield, cas, featherstone, Bradford and halifax. clubs in Cumbria, those in Manchester and Souith Yorks. We need hates of 20000 otherwise the game dies
Why do the RFL want them to prove they have £1m to invest on top of the purchase price?

Because it's once bitten twice shy. Maybe they should have been this insistant with Khan and the club wouldn't be in the mess it is now.

All the funding Khan put in was from loans from all over the place, the council, banks, Marc Green, etc.

Like you say there is nothing to say the buyer puts any money in at all even if they prove funding, but it is a step that needs to be taken.
Please lay off the RFL on THS one.

They are absolutely correct to insist on proof the Lamb lot are not more of the same.
The club has not cut salaries enough and the first three home attendances indicate losses to 31.8 2014 will be at least as much as under OK.

The RFL for 6 months have had to pay wages or help out with loans from central funding before the due date
It s a shambles.

Why Adey is silent and Bullbuilder the fans trust I know not.
A million is indeed needed to see through the season.
Mrs K has that.
OK never had.
Moore never had
Whitcut never had (Even 6 bob for a bag of crisps, but seems to have walked with hundreds of thousands)
Robbie has not.
Watt has not.
Calvert has not

Rumour Whitcut even sold the bar rights for this year which represented 12 per cent of Turnover.

Is a doctor this club needs and quick
As all on life support machines require.

The RFL control that life support machine with money and support to idiots.
That's what Khan and Whitcut and Sutcliffe were
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do the RFL want them to prove they have a £1m to invest on top of the purchase price. They could prove they have the £1m then NOT invest it! Not sure why this obstacle has been put in place but then this is the RFL. They have a vision for a game that involves small community clubs such as Featherstone, Castleford, Wakefield, Salford, Hull KR, London, Leigh etc fighting for promotion/ relegation each season on gates of less than 7000. They seem to think that sponsors or SKY TV or the rest of the sporting public will find this in least bit interesting that they'll be queueing up to watch or invest. Either that or they'll be wanting to see leeds v Wigan for the fourth time each season. The RTFL need to get a grip quickly, the game is dyeing and they're speeding up the process. Radical change is needed asap. Only Leeds and possibly Wigan make a profit. saints might break even the rest are just being falsely propped up by millionaires. 10000 crowds aren't good enough. Time merge Widnes and warrington, Hull and Hull KR, Wakefield, cas, featherstone, Bradford and halifax. clubs in Cumbria, those in Manchester and Souith Yorks. We need hates of 20000 otherwise the game dies[/p][/quote]Why do the RFL want them to prove they have £1m to invest on top of the purchase price? Because it's once bitten twice shy. Maybe they should have been this insistant with Khan and the club wouldn't be in the mess it is now. All the funding Khan put in was from loans from all over the place, the council, banks, Marc Green, etc. Like you say there is nothing to say the buyer puts any money in at all even if they prove funding, but it is a step that needs to be taken.[/p][/quote]Please lay off the RFL on THS one. They are absolutely correct to insist on proof the Lamb lot are not more of the same. The club has not cut salaries enough and the first three home attendances indicate losses to 31.8 2014 will be at least as much as under OK. The RFL for 6 months have had to pay wages or help out with loans from central funding before the due date It s a shambles. Why Adey is silent and Bullbuilder the fans trust I know not. A million is indeed needed to see through the season. Mrs K has that. OK never had. Moore never had Whitcut never had (Even 6 bob for a bag of crisps, but seems to have walked with hundreds of thousands) Robbie has not. Watt has not. Calvert has not Rumour Whitcut even sold the bar rights for this year which represented 12 per cent of Turnover. Is a doctor this club needs and quick As all on life support machines require. The RFL control that life support machine with money and support to idiots. That's what Khan and Whitcut and Sutcliffe were Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 4

2:41pm Mon 24 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Armannoleg,
Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.
Armannoleg, Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

3:19pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Armannoleg,
Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.
Providing proof that you have the money to buy the assets is very different to satisfying e RFL that they have the million needed to see the season through.

Wilson will accept enough to pay Green and himself.
The RFL have ben "running" the Bulls long enough to now how much is needed to September.
I agree.
Its Koushkash or bust
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Armannoleg, Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.[/p][/quote]Providing proof that you have the money to buy the assets is very different to satisfying e RFL that they have the million needed to see the season through. Wilson will accept enough to pay Green and himself. The RFL have ben "running" the Bulls long enough to now how much is needed to September. I agree. Its Koushkash or bust Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 3

3:26pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

The mis management of the whole situation is hitting us for 6,
Either Lamb has the cash or he doesn't,
Its a no brainer when they know that the other bidder involved has the funds and is willing to spend them to save the club.

It doesn't take a genius or a great deal of time to work it out.
The mis management of the whole situation is hitting us for 6, Either Lamb has the cash or he doesn't, Its a no brainer when they know that the other bidder involved has the funds and is willing to spend them to save the club. It doesn't take a genius or a great deal of time to work it out. Bowlingboy
  • Score: 4

3:39pm Mon 24 Mar 14

northern pig says...

I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.
I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me. northern pig
  • Score: 1

4:15pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

northern pig wrote:
I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.
I know its not how Ltd Companies work,
However the previous board including OK should be held accountable...
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.[/p][/quote]I know its not how Ltd Companies work, However the previous board including OK should be held accountable... Bowlingboy
  • Score: 2

4:17pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

northern pig wrote:
I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.
They don't have to pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club. Part of the bidding process though dictates that the administrator must do it's best for the creditors in order to secure funds for paying them off.

If someone goes in with £1 and someone else goes in with £100k then the administrator working on behalf of the creditors will go with the £100k bid.

Problem is that the highest bid to the administrator is not the best to take the club forward as the person who bid £1 might have £10m in the bank to take the club forward where as the bid of £100k might be all the money that person has so has nothing left to take the club forward.

This is what we appear to be seeing. Someone putting in a low bid with plenty of disposable income to pump into the Bulls, and someone who has enough to buy the Bulls but not enough (unless they can prove to the RFL as yet they haven't) to take the club forward.

Thats it in a nut shell.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.[/p][/quote]They don't have to pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club. Part of the bidding process though dictates that the administrator must do it's best for the creditors in order to secure funds for paying them off. If someone goes in with £1 and someone else goes in with £100k then the administrator working on behalf of the creditors will go with the £100k bid. Problem is that the highest bid to the administrator is not the best to take the club forward as the person who bid £1 might have £10m in the bank to take the club forward where as the bid of £100k might be all the money that person has so has nothing left to take the club forward. This is what we appear to be seeing. Someone putting in a low bid with plenty of disposable income to pump into the Bulls, and someone who has enough to buy the Bulls but not enough (unless they can prove to the RFL as yet they haven't) to take the club forward. Thats it in a nut shell. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 3

4:41pm Mon 24 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R,
Good information.Tell me though,if nobody comes forward to the Administrator with the monies to pay off the debt but somebody comes forward with £1..00, and that person has millions to plough into the Bulls,does the Administrator pass on that info.to the RFL or does he dismiss the proposal out of hand and wind up the club.Or would the RFL step in and say they are happy to accept that proposal and would like to save the Bulls.In other words,who has the final say?
T.V.O.R, Good information.Tell me though,if nobody comes forward to the Administrator with the monies to pay off the debt but somebody comes forward with £1..00, and that person has millions to plough into the Bulls,does the Administrator pass on that info.to the RFL or does he dismiss the proposal out of hand and wind up the club.Or would the RFL step in and say they are happy to accept that proposal and would like to save the Bulls.In other words,who has the final say? spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

5:07pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

northern pig wrote:
I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.
The limited company runs a "club" which is A member of an association tha has rules regarding membersip,many of which relate solvent position.

There Is the law of the land (Companies Acts).
There is the law of the competition (RFL set)
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.[/p][/quote]The limited company runs a "club" which is A member of an association tha has rules regarding membersip,many of which relate solvent position. There Is the law of the land (Companies Acts). There is the law of the competition (RFL set) Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 2

5:22pm Mon 24 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Am I correct in thinking that Ken Bates bought Leeds United for £1..00. and somebody before Abramovitch bought Chelsea for £i..00.If that is the case,cannot Mandy Koukash buy the Bulls for £1..00.O.K. the Bulls would be relegated but we probably will anyway.Before anybody says morally we should pay off the debts,since when have successful business men had morals.
Am I correct in thinking that Ken Bates bought Leeds United for £1..00. and somebody before Abramovitch bought Chelsea for £i..00.If that is the case,cannot Mandy Koukash buy the Bulls for £1..00.O.K. the Bulls would be relegated but we probably will anyway.Before anybody says morally we should pay off the debts,since when have successful business men had morals. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

5:36pm Mon 24 Mar 14

oswald777 says...

honestly can't see us winning another game this season, Franny has a difficult job but if someone came in and threw a load of cash at the Bulls, i wouldn't want it to be him spending it......
honestly can't see us winning another game this season, Franny has a difficult job but if someone came in and threw a load of cash at the Bulls, i wouldn't want it to be him spending it...... oswald777
  • Score: -2

5:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Videoref says...

So we are looking for someone to come in, buy the club, pay off the existing creditors, invest £1m+ to keep the club going until end of season, accept 6 point deduction, accept Sky money deduction, get relegated and be a sound & proper person in the eyes of the RFL to run the club? Were such a person to exist, he/she would need certifying-along with the RFL. Wonder what life is like on this planet the clearly live on.
So we are looking for someone to come in, buy the club, pay off the existing creditors, invest £1m+ to keep the club going until end of season, accept 6 point deduction, accept Sky money deduction, get relegated and be a sound & proper person in the eyes of the RFL to run the club? Were such a person to exist, he/she would need certifying-along with the RFL. Wonder what life is like on this planet the clearly live on. Videoref
  • Score: 6

6:07pm Mon 24 Mar 14

BD16 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
northern pig wrote:
I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.
They don't have to pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club. Part of the bidding process though dictates that the administrator must do it's best for the creditors in order to secure funds for paying them off.

If someone goes in with £1 and someone else goes in with £100k then the administrator working on behalf of the creditors will go with the £100k bid.

Problem is that the highest bid to the administrator is not the best to take the club forward as the person who bid £1 might have £10m in the bank to take the club forward where as the bid of £100k might be all the money that person has so has nothing left to take the club forward.

This is what we appear to be seeing. Someone putting in a low bid with plenty of disposable income to pump into the Bulls, and someone who has enough to buy the Bulls but not enough (unless they can prove to the RFL as yet they haven't) to take the club forward.

Thats it in a nut shell.
What I don't understand is the fit and proper persons test. It's been commented on here that Mrs Koukash was a major shareholder in a company that went bust. I don't know if this is true, but, It if it is, how did she pass the fit and proper persons test as reported in the T&A?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: I posted last week, that from a selfish perspective as a supporter of the Bulls.Why should the new owners pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club? it's nonsense but it is one of the conditions ,laid down by the administrator.What i cannot understand,is that on a regular basis we see Ltd Companies go bust, change their name slightly walk away from the existing debt and start up again! The bulls are a Ltd Company so what's the problem.Could someone who as more fiscal prowess than i. Please explain the situation to me.[/p][/quote]They don't have to pay off debt incurred by past owners of the club. Part of the bidding process though dictates that the administrator must do it's best for the creditors in order to secure funds for paying them off. If someone goes in with £1 and someone else goes in with £100k then the administrator working on behalf of the creditors will go with the £100k bid. Problem is that the highest bid to the administrator is not the best to take the club forward as the person who bid £1 might have £10m in the bank to take the club forward where as the bid of £100k might be all the money that person has so has nothing left to take the club forward. This is what we appear to be seeing. Someone putting in a low bid with plenty of disposable income to pump into the Bulls, and someone who has enough to buy the Bulls but not enough (unless they can prove to the RFL as yet they haven't) to take the club forward. Thats it in a nut shell.[/p][/quote]What I don't understand is the fit and proper persons test. It's been commented on here that Mrs Koukash was a major shareholder in a company that went bust. I don't know if this is true, but, It if it is, how did she pass the fit and proper persons test as reported in the T&A? BD16
  • Score: 1

6:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

The RFL will do all in its power to stop Mrs Koukash getting into RL.I commented on this forum a couple of weeks ago that a power struggle was brewing between the club Chairmen and the R.L. All the Chairmen are not stupid they can see the damage this lot are doing to the game.As said many times,this weekend 7 Super League games 59000,one RFU game Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley 84000.These clubs and the RFU realised that to move the game to Wembley would create a massive crowd.Now can anybody honestly tell me that the numpties at Red Hall would have thought of that.All the good work done at the World Cup,by the way outside companies made the W.C. a success not Red Hall,will soon be eroded at this rate.And I am not blaming them for the Bulls demise.Yes they have signed an 8 year contract with Sky but in 3 years time the payments will be peanuts to Sky.One of many **** ups this present Board has made.Believe me they will do everything in their power to keep Mrs Koukash out of the game.Also remember at the present moment the Bulls have no vote on any decision that is to be made regarding the RL.Hence,no Mrs Koukash.
The RFL will do all in its power to stop Mrs Koukash getting into RL.I commented on this forum a couple of weeks ago that a power struggle was brewing between the club Chairmen and the R.L. All the Chairmen are not stupid they can see the damage this lot are doing to the game.As said many times,this weekend 7 Super League games 59000,one RFU game Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley 84000.These clubs and the RFU realised that to move the game to Wembley would create a massive crowd.Now can anybody honestly tell me that the numpties at Red Hall would have thought of that.All the good work done at the World Cup,by the way outside companies made the W.C. a success not Red Hall,will soon be eroded at this rate.And I am not blaming them for the Bulls demise.Yes they have signed an 8 year contract with Sky but in 3 years time the payments will be peanuts to Sky.One of many **** ups this present Board has made.Believe me they will do everything in their power to keep Mrs Koukash out of the game.Also remember at the present moment the Bulls have no vote on any decision that is to be made regarding the RL.Hence,no Mrs Koukash. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

8:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Videoref says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
The RFL will do all in its power to stop Mrs Koukash getting into RL.I commented on this forum a couple of weeks ago that a power struggle was brewing between the club Chairmen and the R.L. All the Chairmen are not stupid they can see the damage this lot are doing to the game.As said many times,this weekend 7 Super League games 59000,one RFU game Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley 84000.These clubs and the RFU realised that to move the game to Wembley would create a massive crowd.Now can anybody honestly tell me that the numpties at Red Hall would have thought of that.All the good work done at the World Cup,by the way outside companies made the W.C. a success not Red Hall,will soon be eroded at this rate.And I am not blaming them for the Bulls demise.Yes they have signed an 8 year contract with Sky but in 3 years time the payments will be peanuts to Sky.One of many **** ups this present Board has made.Believe me they will do everything in their power to keep Mrs Koukash out of the game.Also remember at the present moment the Bulls have no vote on any decision that is to be made regarding the RL.Hence,no Mrs Koukash.
Don't forget they are expanding the game through the Magic Weekend. We,re expanding right into erm........ The middle of the M62 Corridor. Doh!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: The RFL will do all in its power to stop Mrs Koukash getting into RL.I commented on this forum a couple of weeks ago that a power struggle was brewing between the club Chairmen and the R.L. All the Chairmen are not stupid they can see the damage this lot are doing to the game.As said many times,this weekend 7 Super League games 59000,one RFU game Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley 84000.These clubs and the RFU realised that to move the game to Wembley would create a massive crowd.Now can anybody honestly tell me that the numpties at Red Hall would have thought of that.All the good work done at the World Cup,by the way outside companies made the W.C. a success not Red Hall,will soon be eroded at this rate.And I am not blaming them for the Bulls demise.Yes they have signed an 8 year contract with Sky but in 3 years time the payments will be peanuts to Sky.One of many **** ups this present Board has made.Believe me they will do everything in their power to keep Mrs Koukash out of the game.Also remember at the present moment the Bulls have no vote on any decision that is to be made regarding the RL.Hence,no Mrs Koukash.[/p][/quote]Don't forget they are expanding the game through the Magic Weekend. We,re expanding right into erm........ The middle of the M62 Corridor. Doh!!!!!! Videoref
  • Score: 0

8:44pm Mon 24 Mar 14

Videoref says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
The RFL will do all in its power to stop Mrs Koukash getting into RL.I commented on this forum a couple of weeks ago that a power struggle was brewing between the club Chairmen and the R.L. All the Chairmen are not stupid they can see the damage this lot are doing to the game.As said many times,this weekend 7 Super League games 59000,one RFU game Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley 84000.These clubs and the RFU realised that to move the game to Wembley would create a massive crowd.Now can anybody honestly tell me that the numpties at Red Hall would have thought of that.All the good work done at the World Cup,by the way outside companies made the W.C. a success not Red Hall,will soon be eroded at this rate.And I am not blaming them for the Bulls demise.Yes they have signed an 8 year contract with Sky but in 3 years time the payments will be peanuts to Sky.One of many **** ups this present Board has made.Believe me they will do everything in their power to keep Mrs Koukash out of the game.Also remember at the present moment the Bulls have no vote on any decision that is to be made regarding the RL.Hence,no Mrs Koukash.
Don't forget they are expanding the game through the Magic Weekend. We,re expanding right into erm........ The middle of the M62 Corridor. Doh!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: The RFL will do all in its power to stop Mrs Koukash getting into RL.I commented on this forum a couple of weeks ago that a power struggle was brewing between the club Chairmen and the R.L. All the Chairmen are not stupid they can see the damage this lot are doing to the game.As said many times,this weekend 7 Super League games 59000,one RFU game Saracens v Harlequins at Wembley 84000.These clubs and the RFU realised that to move the game to Wembley would create a massive crowd.Now can anybody honestly tell me that the numpties at Red Hall would have thought of that.All the good work done at the World Cup,by the way outside companies made the W.C. a success not Red Hall,will soon be eroded at this rate.And I am not blaming them for the Bulls demise.Yes they have signed an 8 year contract with Sky but in 3 years time the payments will be peanuts to Sky.One of many **** ups this present Board has made.Believe me they will do everything in their power to keep Mrs Koukash out of the game.Also remember at the present moment the Bulls have no vote on any decision that is to be made regarding the RL.Hence,no Mrs Koukash.[/p][/quote]Don't forget they are expanding the game through the Magic Weekend. We,re expanding right into erm........ The middle of the M62 Corridor. Doh!!!!!! Videoref
  • Score: 0

10:45pm Mon 24 Mar 14

handoff says...

Arhmen Noleg wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Armannoleg,
Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.
Providing proof that you have the money to buy the assets is very different to satisfying e RFL that they have the million needed to see the season through.

Wilson will accept enough to pay Green and himself.
The RFL have ben "running" the Bulls long enough to now how much is needed to September.
I agree.
Its Koushkash or bust
Good point. I understand Whitcut went off on his own to get this loan from Green which has inflated hugely. His gamble was reckless and we know his track record. I see his action as the one which will be looked back upon as the fatal blow. If the Fraud Office were better funded perhaps we would have the satisfaction of a thorough investigation into Khan and Whitcut. As it is they will walk away. Isn't it always the same depressing way.
The actions of Frannie and players are in stark contrast and provide us with the two ends of professional sport. Character and fortitude fighting for what they believe in versus slimy self interest and self aggrandisement with no moral backbone. Personally I would give these two a ball and let the first team loose on them for 80 minutes.
[quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Armannoleg, Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.[/p][/quote]Providing proof that you have the money to buy the assets is very different to satisfying e RFL that they have the million needed to see the season through. Wilson will accept enough to pay Green and himself. The RFL have ben "running" the Bulls long enough to now how much is needed to September. I agree. Its Koushkash or bust[/p][/quote]Good point. I understand Whitcut went off on his own to get this loan from Green which has inflated hugely. His gamble was reckless and we know his track record. I see his action as the one which will be looked back upon as the fatal blow. If the Fraud Office were better funded perhaps we would have the satisfaction of a thorough investigation into Khan and Whitcut. As it is they will walk away. Isn't it always the same depressing way. The actions of Frannie and players are in stark contrast and provide us with the two ends of professional sport. Character and fortitude fighting for what they believe in versus slimy self interest and self aggrandisement with no moral backbone. Personally I would give these two a ball and let the first team loose on them for 80 minutes. handoff
  • Score: 1

10:46pm Mon 24 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
I said this last week, the best deal for the creditors is not the best deal for the club.
Lamb can bid £300k for the club and be in the "prime seats" for the takeover but when asked by the RFL to prove funding he doesn't seem to be able to do so which makes you wonder what is his long term vision for the club?
Where as Mandy appears to have put in a low bid on the basis it isn't her mess to clean up so they can put whatever they desire from the Dr's £900m wealth in after takeover.
The administator therefore sides with Lamb but Lamb can't satisfy the RFL. Outcome, limbo and another nail in the coffin.
If Lamb hasn't or can't prove he has the money he should stand aside, the club has been run by to many people who talk the talk but can't walk the walk which is why it's on it's knees.
Good post. The RFL and the administrator are at odd with one another. What is the point of the administrator. His role seems to be undermined by RFL who have the say in who they want to run the club. Meanwhile his bill keeps going up. What is the answer.

There isn't anyone who will pay off OK Bulls Ltd debt. and keep Bfd Bulls 2014 ltd 6 points deduction and special measures for not paying off the debts. Then pump £m's into the club when the RFL won't move on the ground ownership or pay the club the full SL funding in line with the other clubs. The RFL have created so many obstacles a solution cannot be found. Maybe that is the plan! The desire to stay in SL at all costs is what is clouding the issue.

The only solution I can see is for a rich person (Koukas) to take over let the club. We will get relegated but we can start preparing now for next season. If they were wiling to fund a full time squad next season in the championship we could actually compete for a SL place against the 4 sides that come out of SL for one of the four promotion places in 2015. We would then get full SL money again.

If we forget about trying to stay in SL this season. It at least clarifies things and gives us valuable time to recruit and build for 2015 and beyond. Its a two year project but the koukash's could really stick it to the RFL. The only threat the RFL have to us is denying us SL next season. Lets just accept we're not staying in SL and remove their main card from the game
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: I said this last week, the best deal for the creditors is not the best deal for the club. Lamb can bid £300k for the club and be in the "prime seats" for the takeover but when asked by the RFL to prove funding he doesn't seem to be able to do so which makes you wonder what is his long term vision for the club? Where as Mandy appears to have put in a low bid on the basis it isn't her mess to clean up so they can put whatever they desire from the Dr's £900m wealth in after takeover. The administator therefore sides with Lamb but Lamb can't satisfy the RFL. Outcome, limbo and another nail in the coffin. If Lamb hasn't or can't prove he has the money he should stand aside, the club has been run by to many people who talk the talk but can't walk the walk which is why it's on it's knees.[/p][/quote]Good post. The RFL and the administrator are at odd with one another. What is the point of the administrator. His role seems to be undermined by RFL who have the say in who they want to run the club. Meanwhile his bill keeps going up. What is the answer. There isn't anyone who will pay off OK Bulls Ltd debt. and keep Bfd Bulls 2014 ltd 6 points deduction and special measures for not paying off the debts. Then pump £m's into the club when the RFL won't move on the ground ownership or pay the club the full SL funding in line with the other clubs. The RFL have created so many obstacles a solution cannot be found. Maybe that is the plan! The desire to stay in SL at all costs is what is clouding the issue. The only solution I can see is for a rich person (Koukas) to take over let the club. We will get relegated but we can start preparing now for next season. If they were wiling to fund a full time squad next season in the championship we could actually compete for a SL place against the 4 sides that come out of SL for one of the four promotion places in 2015. We would then get full SL money again. If we forget about trying to stay in SL this season. It at least clarifies things and gives us valuable time to recruit and build for 2015 and beyond. Its a two year project but the koukash's could really stick it to the RFL. The only threat the RFL have to us is denying us SL next season. Lets just accept we're not staying in SL and remove their main card from the game bradfordbronco
  • Score: 0

12:12am Tue 25 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

handoff wrote:
Arhmen Noleg wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Armannoleg,
Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.
Providing proof that you have the money to buy the assets is very different to satisfying e RFL that they have the million needed to see the season through.

Wilson will accept enough to pay Green and himself.
The RFL have ben "running" the Bulls long enough to now how much is needed to September.
I agree.
Its Koushkash or bust
Good point. I understand Whitcut went off on his own to get this loan from Green which has inflated hugely. His gamble was reckless and we know his track record. I see his action as the one which will be looked back upon as the fatal blow. If the Fraud Office were better funded perhaps we would have the satisfaction of a thorough investigation into Khan and Whitcut. As it is they will walk away. Isn't it always the same depressing way.
The actions of Frannie and players are in stark contrast and provide us with the two ends of professional sport. Character and fortitude fighting for what they believe in versus slimy self interest and self aggrandisement with no moral backbone. Personally I would give these two a ball and let the first team loose on them for 80 minutes.
You are now talking with the same anger as I have in over 18 months.

This just did not happen overnight.
Bills that needed paying were hidden for many months.
Whitcut going to a payday loan lender in September is about as desperate as it gets.In order to buy OK out with Moore my guess.
Where did the money go?Moore know?

Good these consortiums eh.
Whitcut and Moore to buy Bulls but Whitcut fails to tell Moore that he is paying for both via a Wonga man.
Moore knew nothing?
Until got in there after Ok"s man Whitcut had gone as unfit and unproper.
With the former Minister for Sport sucking up to both.

Your right.

Fraud Squad will fudge it
Or ignore it
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Armannoleg, Are you trying to say that the RFL did not know who was bidding for the club.If they had actually no say in who the Administrator chose,do not try to tell me that they could have informed him who had and who had not got the finances.If people on this forum could find out how is it that the RFL could not.It has been suggested several times on here that Mr.Lamb did not have the finances.I personally have stated that I had it on good authority that he did not have the wherewithal to purchase and fund the club.This was when it was announced he was a bidder not after the event.Maybe,things have changed for him now,but it looks not.Now how do you get that the RFL are blameless in this shambolic situation.Yes,they did not get the club in this mess,and yes they have kept the club afloat but surely it would not have been necessary if they had done their homework in the first place.Anybody remember,Kent Invicta,Southend Invicta,This situation reminds me of them,buy the club,break the club,start under a different name,run off with the money,never to be seen again.I am not suggesting Mr.Lamb would do this but I do wonder why people would want to purchase a club when they cannot fund it.My suggestion would be take the Koukash deal,they would have to put money in for the club to succeed,if they did not what is lost,because nobody else has the funds to sustain the club.Surely it is in the RFLs interest to stop wasting central funding or do they not have the foresight to see there is not going to be a successful end to this situation unless somebody at Red Hall "bites the bullet" and gives Mrs Koukash the chance to see if they are prepared to invest in the club.If not what is lost,The club folds,the RFL spends no more money on the situation.Have they forgotten they have purchased the lease at Odsal,what happens to the money.They will not be able to build on a tip for many,many years.More wasted money by Red Hall.[/p][/quote]Providing proof that you have the money to buy the assets is very different to satisfying e RFL that they have the million needed to see the season through. Wilson will accept enough to pay Green and himself. The RFL have ben "running" the Bulls long enough to now how much is needed to September. I agree. Its Koushkash or bust[/p][/quote]Good point. I understand Whitcut went off on his own to get this loan from Green which has inflated hugely. His gamble was reckless and we know his track record. I see his action as the one which will be looked back upon as the fatal blow. If the Fraud Office were better funded perhaps we would have the satisfaction of a thorough investigation into Khan and Whitcut. As it is they will walk away. Isn't it always the same depressing way. The actions of Frannie and players are in stark contrast and provide us with the two ends of professional sport. Character and fortitude fighting for what they believe in versus slimy self interest and self aggrandisement with no moral backbone. Personally I would give these two a ball and let the first team loose on them for 80 minutes.[/p][/quote]You are now talking with the same anger as I have in over 18 months. This just did not happen overnight. Bills that needed paying were hidden for many months. Whitcut going to a payday loan lender in September is about as desperate as it gets.In order to buy OK out with Moore my guess. Where did the money go?Moore know? Good these consortiums eh. Whitcut and Moore to buy Bulls but Whitcut fails to tell Moore that he is paying for both via a Wonga man. Moore knew nothing? Until got in there after Ok"s man Whitcut had gone as unfit and unproper. With the former Minister for Sport sucking up to both. Your right. Fraud Squad will fudge it Or ignore it Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 1

12:22am Tue 25 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Videoref wrote:
So we are looking for someone to come in, buy the club, pay off the existing creditors, invest £1m+ to keep the club going until end of season, accept 6 point deduction, accept Sky money deduction, get relegated and be a sound & proper person in the eyes of the RFL to run the club? Were such a person to exist, he/she would need certifying-along with the RFL. Wonder what life is like on this planet the clearly live on.
Blame Ok
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: So we are looking for someone to come in, buy the club, pay off the existing creditors, invest £1m+ to keep the club going until end of season, accept 6 point deduction, accept Sky money deduction, get relegated and be a sound & proper person in the eyes of the RFL to run the club? Were such a person to exist, he/she would need certifying-along with the RFL. Wonder what life is like on this planet the clearly live on.[/p][/quote]Blame Ok Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 1

12:44am Tue 25 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Arhmen Noleg wrote:
Videoref wrote:
So we are looking for someone to come in, buy the club, pay off the existing creditors, invest £1m+ to keep the club going until end of season, accept 6 point deduction, accept Sky money deduction, get relegated and be a sound & proper person in the eyes of the RFL to run the club? Were such a person to exist, he/she would need certifying-along with the RFL. Wonder what life is like on this planet the clearly live on.
Blame Ok
Thats what HE thought he had to SELL in September.

A valueless pot of cack.
He failed to make the big decisions early enough.
His mantra was live until tomorrow.
Dreaming his Odsal would be one day like the £1000 million sports village in Qatar.That he sent a 6 man delegation to check out.With season ticket holders dosh.
With not a brass farthing to polish on his ar*e cheek.

We are all paying now
[quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: So we are looking for someone to come in, buy the club, pay off the existing creditors, invest £1m+ to keep the club going until end of season, accept 6 point deduction, accept Sky money deduction, get relegated and be a sound & proper person in the eyes of the RFL to run the club? Were such a person to exist, he/she would need certifying-along with the RFL. Wonder what life is like on this planet the clearly live on.[/p][/quote]Blame Ok[/p][/quote]Thats what HE thought he had to SELL in September. A valueless pot of cack. He failed to make the big decisions early enough. His mantra was live until tomorrow. Dreaming his Odsal would be one day like the £1000 million sports village in Qatar.That he sent a 6 man delegation to check out.With season ticket holders dosh. With not a brass farthing to polish on his ar*e cheek. We are all paying now Arhmen Noleg
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