Koukash: Mandy is 90 per cent certain to buy Bradford Bulls

Dr Marwan Koukash and his wife Mandy

Dr Marwan Koukash and his wife Mandy

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Salford Red Devils owner Dr Marwan Koukash last night said he was “90 per cent confident” his wife’s bid for Bradford Bulls would be accepted after the deadline for buyers passed.

Mandy Koukash, businessman Richard Lamb and a consortium led by representatives of Bradford Park Avenue Football Club all tabled offers with Leeds-based administrator David Wilson by 5.30pm yesterday.

Former Bulls owner Omar Khan did not make a bid but Bradford City joint-chairmen Mark Lawn and Julian Rhodes put a proposal forward they say would have kept the Super League outfit at Odsal for the foreseeable future.

“But we won’t be drawn into a bidding war,” said Mr Lawn.

Debenture holder Marc Green, the managing director of Safeguard Security Group, is also believed to be in the running to take control.

A decision is expected to be made by the administrator and the Rugby Football League by early next week at the latest.

The club will go to the highest cash bidder provided they have proof of funds and a business plan to satisfy the RFL.

Blake Solly, the RFL’s director of licensing and standards, said last night: “The administrator asked for all bids to be in by the close of play today.

“We’ll be working with the administrator tomorrow and over the weekend to assess those offers.

“There should be an announcement on the successful bid early next week.”

Mr Solly was unable to comment on individual bids but it is understood that Mrs Koukash has already passed the RFL’s fit and proper persons test.

Dr Koukash, a one-time Palestinian refugee and multi-millionaire racehorse owner, bought Salford just over a year ago but there is nothing in the rules to prevent a husband and wife owning different Super League clubs.

There is a precedent, with Gary Hetherington holding the role of chief executive of Leeds while his wife Kathy, a former Hull chairman and major shareholder, is now acting as consultant chief executive at Wakefield.

Dr Koukash said that he and his wife planned to attend Sunday’s home match with Huddersfield at Odsal.

He told the T&A: “I’m 90 per cent confident Mandy’s bid will be accepted.

“She has the funds and the resources to take the Bulls forward because it’s a massive brand with huge potential.

"Mandy is not going to be hands-on but she’s got a team that would come in and do a good job for her.

“Mandy’s like me, she absolutely loves rugby league and people have to realise that we genuinely want to help Bradford.

“If her bid is not accepted, I’m sure Mandy would still look at ways of being involved in the club. That could mean buying a stake in the Bulls as an investor.”

Former Bulls coach Brian Noble, who is a freeman of the city after guiding his hometown club to five successive Grand Finals, advised the Koukash family.

Mr Noble said: “I’ve given them a feel for the club and how massive Bradford can be if it is run properly.

“I’ve certainly suggested that should Mandy want to get involved because Bradford has the potential that Salford has now.

“First and foremost I’m a proud Bradfordian – I remember walking up to the club when I was 15-years-old – and I really want them to be second best behind Salford.

“I hope Mandy gets it. If she can bring the same enthusiasm and energy to Bradford that has been brought here, then happy days.

“Something needs to happen and I hope that whoever takes them on has the same vision and dreams that we have.”

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8:35am Fri 14 Mar 14

JAtkinson says...

Dare we begin to dream that this is a positive step in the right direction?
Dare we begin to dream that this is a positive step in the right direction? JAtkinson
  • Score: 22

8:41am Fri 14 Mar 14

melon head says...

Thompson twins doctor doctor have a listen made me laugh !!!coyb
Thompson twins doctor doctor have a listen made me laugh !!!coyb melon head
  • Score: -5

8:54am Fri 14 Mar 14

Milly67 says...

I hope the people who win the bid have real cash and lots of it because that is what is needed not and 10 bob millionaire who have had a go in the past, this is a real business that needs to be run like one, its not about getting someone their 15mins of fame then doing a runner, this will be a long time of pain sweat and tears, and a 5 year - 10 year plan, this business needs stripping right back and starting again you cant get away with throwing a few quid at it like the predecessors have done, there will be more sacrifices and more upset people but needs to be done, good luck with who ever gets this its been an horrendous time for the bulls and all that are involved and love the place, this will not be an over night success so the fans need to stick together COYBs
I hope the people who win the bid have real cash and lots of it because that is what is needed not and 10 bob millionaire who have had a go in the past, this is a real business that needs to be run like one, its not about getting someone their 15mins of fame then doing a runner, this will be a long time of pain sweat and tears, and a 5 year - 10 year plan, this business needs stripping right back and starting again you cant get away with throwing a few quid at it like the predecessors have done, there will be more sacrifices and more upset people but needs to be done, good luck with who ever gets this its been an horrendous time for the bulls and all that are involved and love the place, this will not be an over night success so the fans need to stick together COYBs Milly67
  • Score: 13

9:21am Fri 14 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

There is only one bid to consider. The others are potless and will just return the Bulls to where they are now in a matter of months.

A bullet was dodged with Moore and Co, and thankfully someone is willing to pick up the mess Khan and Co made.

The RFL did the Bulls a massive favour by interfering in the Moore bid, and now the future does actually look rosey for once.

A broom needed to come in and sweep away all the crap from the previous regimes and that looks likely to happen as Koukash will have a team of successful people who know what they are doing running the show. Not a curry house owner and a band of labour merry men along for a free ride.
There is only one bid to consider. The others are potless and will just return the Bulls to where they are now in a matter of months. A bullet was dodged with Moore and Co, and thankfully someone is willing to pick up the mess Khan and Co made. The RFL did the Bulls a massive favour by interfering in the Moore bid, and now the future does actually look rosey for once. A broom needed to come in and sweep away all the crap from the previous regimes and that looks likely to happen as Koukash will have a team of successful people who know what they are doing running the show. Not a curry house owner and a band of labour merry men along for a free ride. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 21

9:37am Fri 14 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
On top of everything Mandy is HOT!! oddshapedballs
  • Score: 11

9:44am Fri 14 Mar 14

Old Dave says...

I still love Nobby!
I still love Nobby! Old Dave
  • Score: 20

9:48am Fri 14 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

I can only presume with the minus score my comment has recieved that someone thought Moore was the man for the job, or Khan ran a tight ship and they don't want this Mandy Koukash near the Bulls.

Wouldn't those who are giving it the thumbs down care to comment and leave an opinion, or is it just me they don't like?
I can only presume with the minus score my comment has recieved that someone thought Moore was the man for the job, or Khan ran a tight ship and they don't want this Mandy Koukash near the Bulls. Wouldn't those who are giving it the thumbs down care to comment and leave an opinion, or is it just me they don't like? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -27

9:51am Fri 14 Mar 14

Videoref says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
Got to be an improvement on the Wakefield consultant CEO!
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]Got to be an improvement on the Wakefield consultant CEO! Videoref
  • Score: 7

9:55am Fri 14 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

oddshapedballs wrote:
On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order.

You have a very short memory.

They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters.

We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc.

To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
[quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case Sad bull
  • Score: 27

9:58am Fri 14 Mar 14

Shipley Paul says...

Nobby is a total legend with red amber and black running through his veins. There is absolutely no doubt that the Koukash's have been taking his opinions seriously. Remember, he offered to coach the team for nothing when the first administration started and his record is second to none at Odsal. I hope finally that we get an owner who will realise the potential and gain the rewards. It's a short few years since the glory days, the 1999 Grand Final was on Sky this week, what a team that was, and I still don't think Mick Withers knocked on!! But the core of the club is still here, and Dr.K is right when he says the potential to be massive again is huge. Good luck Mandy I hope next week brings a new dawn.
Nobby is a total legend with red amber and black running through his veins. There is absolutely no doubt that the Koukash's have been taking his opinions seriously. Remember, he offered to coach the team for nothing when the first administration started and his record is second to none at Odsal. I hope finally that we get an owner who will realise the potential and gain the rewards. It's a short few years since the glory days, the 1999 Grand Final was on Sky this week, what a team that was, and I still don't think Mick Withers knocked on!! But the core of the club is still here, and Dr.K is right when he says the potential to be massive again is huge. Good luck Mandy I hope next week brings a new dawn. Shipley Paul
  • Score: 38

10:06am Fri 14 Mar 14

robw93 says...

Need more people like this in our sport, willing to put significant money where his/her mouth is! Saw Jamal Fakir has been released from Catalan, he would be a great signing for us and would be as good a replacement for Scruton as we're going to get, hopefully this takeovers done quickly because I can't see him being available for us
Need more people like this in our sport, willing to put significant money where his/her mouth is! Saw Jamal Fakir has been released from Catalan, he would be a great signing for us and would be as good a replacement for Scruton as we're going to get, hopefully this takeovers done quickly because I can't see him being available for us robw93
  • Score: 15

10:06am Fri 14 Mar 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

TVOR is right and he was on about the not so incumbents of the last few who held the helm.
Yes it does seem the Doc is really the man at the helm bit it would be good to see Mandy come out of her shell and do a Karen Brady front, that would be good for them and she's a tidy bit of kit.
I wouldn't be expecting pots of cash thrown at the club, l think he'd be wanting the club to work with the fans paying as they should through the turnstiles and corporate. Oldham Athletic don't have big money signings and Salford seem a standard club.
I just hope the idiots on here don't start bragging like before, Viking and his cronies l mean. All it does is drive a wedge between the Bulls and City and you never know when the Bulls might need some help from Valley Parade.
Mind you it all depends who's bid is accepted.
TVOR is right and he was on about the not so incumbents of the last few who held the helm. Yes it does seem the Doc is really the man at the helm bit it would be good to see Mandy come out of her shell and do a Karen Brady front, that would be good for them and she's a tidy bit of kit. I wouldn't be expecting pots of cash thrown at the club, l think he'd be wanting the club to work with the fans paying as they should through the turnstiles and corporate. Oldham Athletic don't have big money signings and Salford seem a standard club. I just hope the idiots on here don't start bragging like before, Viking and his cronies l mean. All it does is drive a wedge between the Bulls and City and you never know when the Bulls might need some help from Valley Parade. Mind you it all depends who's bid is accepted. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 2

10:11am Fri 14 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in.

This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet.

You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in. This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet. You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 14

10:26am Fri 14 Mar 14

Bone_idle18 says...

If Mrs Kouka$h does get the club, it shoudl also attract other investment, as they will been seen as a lot lower risk.

I'd expect sponsors and investors to flock to Odsal in the wake of the takeover.
If Mrs Kouka$h does get the club, it shoudl also attract other investment, as they will been seen as a lot lower risk. I'd expect sponsors and investors to flock to Odsal in the wake of the takeover. Bone_idle18
  • Score: 10

10:34am Fri 14 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?
This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other? Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: -10

10:41am Fri 14 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
TVOR is right and he was on about the not so incumbents of the last few who held the helm.
Yes it does seem the Doc is really the man at the helm bit it would be good to see Mandy come out of her shell and do a Karen Brady front, that would be good for them and she's a tidy bit of kit.
I wouldn't be expecting pots of cash thrown at the club, l think he'd be wanting the club to work with the fans paying as they should through the turnstiles and corporate. Oldham Athletic don't have big money signings and Salford seem a standard club.
I just hope the idiots on here don't start bragging like before, Viking and his cronies l mean. All it does is drive a wedge between the Bulls and City and you never know when the Bulls might need some help from Valley Parade.
Mind you it all depends who's bid is accepted.
' it would be good to see Mandy come out of her shell and do a Karen Brady front, that would be good for them and she's a tidy bit of kit'

Do you write for the Sun by any chance Papa Smurf? ;-).
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: TVOR is right and he was on about the not so incumbents of the last few who held the helm. Yes it does seem the Doc is really the man at the helm bit it would be good to see Mandy come out of her shell and do a Karen Brady front, that would be good for them and she's a tidy bit of kit. I wouldn't be expecting pots of cash thrown at the club, l think he'd be wanting the club to work with the fans paying as they should through the turnstiles and corporate. Oldham Athletic don't have big money signings and Salford seem a standard club. I just hope the idiots on here don't start bragging like before, Viking and his cronies l mean. All it does is drive a wedge between the Bulls and City and you never know when the Bulls might need some help from Valley Parade. Mind you it all depends who's bid is accepted.[/p][/quote]' it would be good to see Mandy come out of her shell and do a Karen Brady front, that would be good for them and she's a tidy bit of kit' Do you write for the Sun by any chance Papa Smurf? ;-). Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 4

11:04am Fri 14 Mar 14

JAtkinson says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?
I would suggest Dr K was looking for potential in the area he knew, which is over that way (eg his stake / interest in Oldham) and, as he got to know Nobby, maybe we can really see his hand in this and it was Noble who's discussed the club's fortunes and sold it to the Koukashes - as has been said above, the man is Bratfud through & through.

The other thing, to do with conflict of interest, is another issue. As it says in the article, the Hetheringtons at L**ds and Hull / Wakefield have shown that such a situation is acceptable.

In truth, though, the most frightening and worrying thing to come out of this is that I have agreed with Thee Voice of Doom-Laden Reason several times in the past couple of days. I trust that normal service will be resumed shortly.
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?[/p][/quote]I would suggest Dr K was looking for potential in the area he knew, which is over that way (eg his stake / interest in Oldham) and, as he got to know Nobby, maybe we can really see his hand in this and it was Noble who's discussed the club's fortunes and sold it to the Koukashes - as has been said above, the man is Bratfud through & through. The other thing, to do with conflict of interest, is another issue. As it says in the article, the Hetheringtons at L**ds and Hull / Wakefield have shown that such a situation is acceptable. In truth, though, the most frightening and worrying thing to come out of this is that I have agreed with Thee Voice of Doom-Laden Reason several times in the past couple of days. I trust that normal service will be resumed shortly. JAtkinson
  • Score: 14

11:12am Fri 14 Mar 14

taurusthebull says...

Can I just throw in a comment, no matter who takes over whether it be Mrs K or Mr Lamb , (hopefully with investors on board) the team cannot relax this weekend and take a sigh of relief , there is a massive obstacle in front of us this weekend in the Giants. We are depleted in numbers and especially up front , Anderson will not go easy on us , as his boys have let their standards slip the last couple of weeks , so rolling over a desperately diminished squad will be easy meat . Lets get there in numbers and get behind our team , because no matter what , as fans ..... WE ARE THE BRADFORD BULLS !!!!
Can I just throw in a comment, no matter who takes over whether it be Mrs K or Mr Lamb , (hopefully with investors on board) the team cannot relax this weekend and take a sigh of relief , there is a massive obstacle in front of us this weekend in the Giants. We are depleted in numbers and especially up front , Anderson will not go easy on us , as his boys have let their standards slip the last couple of weeks , so rolling over a desperately diminished squad will be easy meat . Lets get there in numbers and get behind our team , because no matter what , as fans ..... WE ARE THE BRADFORD BULLS !!!! taurusthebull
  • Score: 18

11:15am Fri 14 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

JAtkinson wrote:
Van Bellen's Baby wrote: This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?
I would suggest Dr K was looking for potential in the area he knew, which is over that way (eg his stake / interest in Oldham) and, as he got to know Nobby, maybe we can really see his hand in this and it was Noble who's discussed the club's fortunes and sold it to the Koukashes - as has been said above, the man is Bratfud through & through. The other thing, to do with conflict of interest, is another issue. As it says in the article, the Hetheringtons at L**ds and Hull / Wakefield have shown that such a situation is acceptable. In truth, though, the most frightening and worrying thing to come out of this is that I have agreed with Thee Voice of Doom-Laden Reason several times in the past couple of days. I trust that normal service will be resumed shortly.
I say what is staring people in the face that they rather just ignore, thats why people seem to hate me. I do the same with BCFC if it's any consolation and I turn up there every week.

Call a spade a spade.
[quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?[/p][/quote]I would suggest Dr K was looking for potential in the area he knew, which is over that way (eg his stake / interest in Oldham) and, as he got to know Nobby, maybe we can really see his hand in this and it was Noble who's discussed the club's fortunes and sold it to the Koukashes - as has been said above, the man is Bratfud through & through. The other thing, to do with conflict of interest, is another issue. As it says in the article, the Hetheringtons at L**ds and Hull / Wakefield have shown that such a situation is acceptable. In truth, though, the most frightening and worrying thing to come out of this is that I have agreed with Thee Voice of Doom-Laden Reason several times in the past couple of days. I trust that normal service will be resumed shortly.[/p][/quote]I say what is staring people in the face that they rather just ignore, thats why people seem to hate me. I do the same with BCFC if it's any consolation and I turn up there every week. Call a spade a spade. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -3

11:18am Fri 14 Mar 14

salford red says...

van bellens bab....y the chairman of rfl spoke to dr koukash when they where together on a plane and Salford was mentionded to him..as he lives 10 miles from Salford. it was feasible to state nearest club with money problems.. and for your infformation salfordian's are not MANCS as you state.. as MANCS come from the city of Manchester.. salfordians have their own city. as city of Bradford is not city of leeds
van bellens bab....y the chairman of rfl spoke to dr koukash when they where together on a plane and Salford was mentionded to him..as he lives 10 miles from Salford. it was feasible to state nearest club with money problems.. and for your infformation salfordian's are not MANCS as you state.. as MANCS come from the city of Manchester.. salfordians have their own city. as city of Bradford is not city of leeds salford red
  • Score: 7

11:22am Fri 14 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in.

This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet.

You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.
More skeletons or the TRUTH will come out. Let's wait and see.

They were committed to trying to save the bulls whatever you say and your list of allegations are just that at this stage. The truth is you KNOW no more than any of us and if you believe everything you read in the T and A you really are beyond help.

If Mandy gets it I will be delighted, but don't slag genuine Bulls fans like Moore and his colleagues off for trying. I firmly believe they were doing their best when nobody else was willing to take on the car crash.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in. This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet. You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.[/p][/quote]More skeletons or the TRUTH will come out. Let's wait and see. They were committed to trying to save the bulls whatever you say and your list of allegations are just that at this stage. The truth is you KNOW no more than any of us and if you believe everything you read in the T and A you really are beyond help. If Mandy gets it I will be delighted, but don't slag genuine Bulls fans like Moore and his colleagues off for trying. I firmly believe they were doing their best when nobody else was willing to take on the car crash. Sad bull
  • Score: 22

11:23am Fri 14 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

T.V.O.R.
All this mayhem started way before Moore and Co.I posted on these forums over two years ago that if the Board at that time did not get their house in order they would shortly be playing at The Shay under the Halifax Northern Bulls.I was shot down in flames for this statement.As predicted the chickens came home to roost and the main culprits walked away scot free.Khan came in at a time when nobody else wanted it.I , at the time thought like most supporters that we had a saviour.I,now hold my hands up to you and admit I was wrong with that assumption.As for Mr.Whitcut,the least said the better.When Mr.Moore came in I once again thought,maybe this time.I did not know the mam nor did I know if he had the cash behind him to carry out his promises.I honestly do not think anybody else knew either.After all I would not tell anybody my business why should he?Once again however it looks like I have been over optimistic about him.Once again I admit,I was wrong.Hopefully now it looks quite possible that this time we might just get lucky.However,I am not holding my breath just yet.I have made it quite plain on here exactly what I think of the RFL board.Nothing will surprise me what they come up with.After all these shenanigans are over I hope they resign en bloc and let somebody who knows what they are doing take over and take RL forward.I can but dream.
T.V.O.R. All this mayhem started way before Moore and Co.I posted on these forums over two years ago that if the Board at that time did not get their house in order they would shortly be playing at The Shay under the Halifax Northern Bulls.I was shot down in flames for this statement.As predicted the chickens came home to roost and the main culprits walked away scot free.Khan came in at a time when nobody else wanted it.I , at the time thought like most supporters that we had a saviour.I,now hold my hands up to you and admit I was wrong with that assumption.As for Mr.Whitcut,the least said the better.When Mr.Moore came in I once again thought,maybe this time.I did not know the mam nor did I know if he had the cash behind him to carry out his promises.I honestly do not think anybody else knew either.After all I would not tell anybody my business why should he?Once again however it looks like I have been over optimistic about him.Once again I admit,I was wrong.Hopefully now it looks quite possible that this time we might just get lucky.However,I am not holding my breath just yet.I have made it quite plain on here exactly what I think of the RFL board.Nothing will surprise me what they come up with.After all these shenanigans are over I hope they resign en bloc and let somebody who knows what they are doing take over and take RL forward.I can but dream. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 11

11:55am Fri 14 Mar 14

Adeybull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in.

This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet.

You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.
At some point, the full truth will finally come out. I suspect once those who know what actually happened feel able to tell, without it damaging the prospects for a future of sorts for the club. And when it does, I suspect even you will find you are surprised at just how wrong you were, over so much that has gone on in this sorry saga and in the conclusions you have drawn.

Write that down someplace, so you can come back to it when it happens.

Because I sure as hell have.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in. This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet. You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.[/p][/quote]At some point, the full truth will finally come out. I suspect once those who know what actually happened feel able to tell, without it damaging the prospects for a future of sorts for the club. And when it does, I suspect even you will find you are surprised at just how wrong you were, over so much that has gone on in this sorry saga and in the conclusions you have drawn. Write that down someplace, so you can come back to it when it happens. Because I sure as hell have. Adeybull
  • Score: 14

12:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

bully4us says...

It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over. bully4us
  • Score: 12

12:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Loyalbull1981 says...

I hope its a one horse race and they pick Mrs Koukash. Just seems right and they have actual money unlike the othrs, as buying a club is one thing but funding it to sustain longerm is another thing.
I hope its a one horse race and they pick Mrs Koukash. Just seems right and they have actual money unlike the othrs, as buying a club is one thing but funding it to sustain longerm is another thing. Loyalbull1981
  • Score: 11

12:38pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
JAtkinson wrote:
Van Bellen's Baby wrote: This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?
I would suggest Dr K was looking for potential in the area he knew, which is over that way (eg his stake / interest in Oldham) and, as he got to know Nobby, maybe we can really see his hand in this and it was Noble who's discussed the club's fortunes and sold it to the Koukashes - as has been said above, the man is Bratfud through & through. The other thing, to do with conflict of interest, is another issue. As it says in the article, the Hetheringtons at L**ds and Hull / Wakefield have shown that such a situation is acceptable. In truth, though, the most frightening and worrying thing to come out of this is that I have agreed with Thee Voice of Doom-Laden Reason several times in the past couple of days. I trust that normal service will be resumed shortly.
I say what is staring people in the face that they rather just ignore, thats why people seem to hate me. I do the same with BCFC if it's any consolation and I turn up there every week.

Call a spade a spade.
Indeed you do.

Some fans here just take every new owner as a saviour and then when their true colours and agenda's are exposed they just sit in denial (see Moore, Calvert, OK etc etc)

They dont realise these jokers are only in it for themselves. The new guy on the face of it certainly have the capital but as to what he invests remains to be seen. Let him/ her be judged by their actions.

Moore / Calvert/ OK and even Paul to some degree were just chancers who hadnt a clue
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]JAtkinson[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?[/p][/quote]I would suggest Dr K was looking for potential in the area he knew, which is over that way (eg his stake / interest in Oldham) and, as he got to know Nobby, maybe we can really see his hand in this and it was Noble who's discussed the club's fortunes and sold it to the Koukashes - as has been said above, the man is Bratfud through & through. The other thing, to do with conflict of interest, is another issue. As it says in the article, the Hetheringtons at L**ds and Hull / Wakefield have shown that such a situation is acceptable. In truth, though, the most frightening and worrying thing to come out of this is that I have agreed with Thee Voice of Doom-Laden Reason several times in the past couple of days. I trust that normal service will be resumed shortly.[/p][/quote]I say what is staring people in the face that they rather just ignore, thats why people seem to hate me. I do the same with BCFC if it's any consolation and I turn up there every week. Call a spade a spade.[/p][/quote]Indeed you do. Some fans here just take every new owner as a saviour and then when their true colours and agenda's are exposed they just sit in denial (see Moore, Calvert, OK etc etc) They dont realise these jokers are only in it for themselves. The new guy on the face of it certainly have the capital but as to what he invests remains to be seen. Let him/ her be judged by their actions. Moore / Calvert/ OK and even Paul to some degree were just chancers who hadnt a clue Andy2010
  • Score: -7

12:42pm Fri 14 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well StevieLad
  • Score: -3

12:42pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
Had the nerve to try?

OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls.

Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive

I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]Had the nerve to try? OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls. Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior. Andy2010
  • Score: 3

1:03pm Fri 14 Mar 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bully4us wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
Had the nerve to try? OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls. Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.
You know nothing about any of yhe people you have just mentioned.What gives you the right to criticise,Moore and Co (maybe not OK)who broke their backs to try and get the Bulls moving again even though it proved futile in the end they've got to be given some credit for attempting it, where at the time nobody else was interested.
We can all be very,very clever with hindsight and repeat incidents from history as TVOR has already proven,its the ones who were prepared to stand by and watch a collapse who deserve to be derided and mocked,and many a time the guys who talk loudest have the least to listen to worth hearing.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]Had the nerve to try? OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls. Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.[/p][/quote]You know nothing about any of yhe people you have just mentioned.What gives you the right to criticise,Moore and Co (maybe not OK)who broke their backs to try and get the Bulls moving again even though it proved futile in the end they've got to be given some credit for attempting it, where at the time nobody else was interested. We can all be very,very clever with hindsight and repeat incidents from history as TVOR has already proven,its the ones who were prepared to stand by and watch a collapse who deserve to be derided and mocked,and many a time the guys who talk loudest have the least to listen to worth hearing. AUGUST1964
  • Score: 8

1:06pm Fri 14 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
Had the nerve to try?

OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls.

Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive

I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.
Slight tangent, check out OK on FSA website.

http://www.scoresont
hedoors.org.uk/busin
ess/omar-khans--8408
8.html

1/5 Stars: Major Improvement Necessary
Food Hygiene and Safety: Good
Structural Compliance: Fair
Confidence in Management: Little

That last one sounds bad doesn't it.

I was only on there cause I heard Silver Grill got 0 stars and wanted to check. Gutted I love their fish dishes
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]Had the nerve to try? OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls. Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.[/p][/quote]Slight tangent, check out OK on FSA website. http://www.scoresont hedoors.org.uk/busin ess/omar-khans--8408 8.html 1/5 Stars: Major Improvement Necessary Food Hygiene and Safety: Good Structural Compliance: Fair Confidence in Management: Little That last one sounds bad doesn't it. I was only on there cause I heard Silver Grill got 0 stars and wanted to check. Gutted I love their fish dishes StevieLad
  • Score: 5

1:07pm Fri 14 Mar 14

flashdonut says...

StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky. flashdonut
  • Score: 5

1:09pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Paul from Idle says...

As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!! Paul from Idle
  • Score: 0

1:10pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bully4us wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
Had the nerve to try? OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls. Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.
You know nothing about any of yhe people you have just mentioned.What gives you the right to criticise,Moore and Co (maybe not OK)who broke their backs to try and get the Bulls moving again even though it proved futile in the end they've got to be given some credit for attempting it, where at the time nobody else was interested.
We can all be very,very clever with hindsight and repeat incidents from history as TVOR has already proven,its the ones who were prepared to stand by and watch a collapse who deserve to be derided and mocked,and many a time the guys who talk loudest have the least to listen to worth hearing.
Attempting it

What assets / capital did they inject into the Bulls. Its very straight forward. The club needs money and they brought nothing...zip to the table.

For gods sake they even didnt bother with due diligence on the club they were "buying".

Just because Moore said his wife worked a 80 hour week once to help the club that constitutes a massive assistance with the club?

At the end of the day all Moore wanted was to get some money out of the club and all Calvert wanted was the prestige of "owning" a club. By his own admission Calvert even stated all his efforts "helping" the Bulls amounted to about 60 hours work.

Well sorry but if that's your idea of a savior you need to raise the standard.

Whilst I think TVOR sometimes goes the wrong way around getting his/her point across they are usually spot on.

Still though anyone saying anything bad about anything to do with the Bulls is just plain wrong arent they?
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]Had the nerve to try? OK only was interested in the Bulls as he was jealous of Aargras opening the Midpoint Centre and had some warped dream of using Odsal as an Asian wedding venue and conference centre. He couldn't care less about the Bulls. Oh and then Moore and Calvert. Moore with a cheap bed business worth £80k and Calvert who is just a director of a debt collection agency. Neither had any money or business acumen to help the Bulls to survive I honestly believe if Fred West bought the Bulls some fans on here would see past his past and announce him as a savior.[/p][/quote]You know nothing about any of yhe people you have just mentioned.What gives you the right to criticise,Moore and Co (maybe not OK)who broke their backs to try and get the Bulls moving again even though it proved futile in the end they've got to be given some credit for attempting it, where at the time nobody else was interested. We can all be very,very clever with hindsight and repeat incidents from history as TVOR has already proven,its the ones who were prepared to stand by and watch a collapse who deserve to be derided and mocked,and many a time the guys who talk loudest have the least to listen to worth hearing.[/p][/quote]Attempting it What assets / capital did they inject into the Bulls. Its very straight forward. The club needs money and they brought nothing...zip to the table. For gods sake they even didnt bother with due diligence on the club they were "buying". Just because Moore said his wife worked a 80 hour week once to help the club that constitutes a massive assistance with the club? At the end of the day all Moore wanted was to get some money out of the club and all Calvert wanted was the prestige of "owning" a club. By his own admission Calvert even stated all his efforts "helping" the Bulls amounted to about 60 hours work. Well sorry but if that's your idea of a savior you need to raise the standard. Whilst I think TVOR sometimes goes the wrong way around getting his/her point across they are usually spot on. Still though anyone saying anything bad about anything to do with the Bulls is just plain wrong arent they? Andy2010
  • Score: 0

1:13pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Paul from Idle wrote:
As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
Exactly. Some posters on here when mentioned this was basically theft and asset stripping still defended the clown.

The barriers shouldn't have been removed without permission but then again not much is being said about the £200k owed to each and everyone of Bradford MBC's rate payers either.
[quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!![/p][/quote]Exactly. Some posters on here when mentioned this was basically theft and asset stripping still defended the clown. The barriers shouldn't have been removed without permission but then again not much is being said about the £200k owed to each and everyone of Bradford MBC's rate payers either. Andy2010
  • Score: 0

1:25pm Fri 14 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

flashdonut wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.
Well, okay. But they could have walked sooner.

Maybe we should wait till we know who actually owns the club before f**k-youlogising over the previous ownership. They might get reinstated. Lady Kouka$h is proper fit, but might not be fit & proper
[quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.[/p][/quote]Well, okay. But they could have walked sooner. Maybe we should wait till we know who actually owns the club before f**k-youlogising over the previous ownership. They might get reinstated. Lady Kouka$h is proper fit, but might not be fit & proper StevieLad
  • Score: -3

1:32pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

StevieLad wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.
Well, okay. But they could have walked sooner.

Maybe we should wait till we know who actually owns the club before f**k-youlogising over the previous ownership. They might get reinstated. Lady Kouka$h is proper fit, but might not be fit & proper
LOL love your last sentence
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.[/p][/quote]Well, okay. But they could have walked sooner. Maybe we should wait till we know who actually owns the club before f**k-youlogising over the previous ownership. They might get reinstated. Lady Kouka$h is proper fit, but might not be fit & proper[/p][/quote]LOL love your last sentence Andy2010
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Videoref says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?
Ask the Hetheringtons-they have experience from Sheffield, Gateshead, Hull, Leeds and now Wakefield
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: This saga gets stranger by the day. Two questions occur to me: why didn't Dr K buy the Bulls first time around rather than Salford? We were in difficulty at the time and therefore, presumably, relatively easy to acquire and our fan base is considerably greater than the Mancs; secondly, how can a husband and wife own two different clubs without any suggestion of colusion, manipulation or questionable decision-making when the needs and ambitions of one club come up against those of the other?[/p][/quote]Ask the Hetheringtons-they have experience from Sheffield, Gateshead, Hull, Leeds and now Wakefield Videoref
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

salford red wrote:
van bellens bab....y the chairman of rfl spoke to dr koukash when they where together on a plane and Salford was mentionded to him..as he lives 10 miles from Salford. it was feasible to state nearest club with money problems.. and for your infformation salfordian's are not MANCS as you state.. as MANCS come from the city of Manchester.. salfordians have their own city. as city of Bradford is not city of leeds
Point taken Salford Red and no offense intended.
[quote][p][bold]salford red[/bold] wrote: van bellens bab....y the chairman of rfl spoke to dr koukash when they where together on a plane and Salford was mentionded to him..as he lives 10 miles from Salford. it was feasible to state nearest club with money problems.. and for your infformation salfordian's are not MANCS as you state.. as MANCS come from the city of Manchester.. salfordians have their own city. as city of Bradford is not city of leeds[/p][/quote]Point taken Salford Red and no offense intended. Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 5

1:55pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Paul from Idle says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Paul from Idle wrote:
As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
Exactly. Some posters on here when mentioned this was basically theft and asset stripping still defended the clown.

The barriers shouldn't have been removed without permission but then again not much is being said about the £200k owed to each and everyone of Bradford MBC's rate payers either.
Exactly, the whole thing has been badly handled. The Koukash bid is the last throw of the dice and if the RL deny the bid I would wrap the club up.
Every other bid will be on the cheap trying to rob peter to fund Paul...excuse the pun.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!![/p][/quote]Exactly. Some posters on here when mentioned this was basically theft and asset stripping still defended the clown. The barriers shouldn't have been removed without permission but then again not much is being said about the £200k owed to each and everyone of Bradford MBC's rate payers either.[/p][/quote]Exactly, the whole thing has been badly handled. The Koukash bid is the last throw of the dice and if the RL deny the bid I would wrap the club up. Every other bid will be on the cheap trying to rob peter to fund Paul...excuse the pun. Paul from Idle
  • Score: 6

1:55pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

Paul from Idle wrote:
As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ?

Smart move.

As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved
[quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!![/p][/quote]So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ? Smart move. As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved Sad bull
  • Score: 4

1:58pm Fri 14 Mar 14

flashdonut says...

StevieLad wrote:
flashdonut wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.
Well, okay. But they could have walked sooner.

Maybe we should wait till we know who actually owns the club before f**k-youlogising over the previous ownership. They might get reinstated. Lady Kouka$h is proper fit, but might not be fit & proper
She has already assed the fit & proper test.
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashdonut[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]And there's me thinking they had walked away when the circumstances got tricky.[/p][/quote]Well, okay. But they could have walked sooner. Maybe we should wait till we know who actually owns the club before f**k-youlogising over the previous ownership. They might get reinstated. Lady Kouka$h is proper fit, but might not be fit & proper[/p][/quote]She has already assed the fit & proper test. flashdonut
  • Score: 6

2:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Lythambull says...

robw93 wrote:
Need more people like this in our sport, willing to put significant money where his/her mouth is! Saw Jamal Fakir has been released from Catalan, he would be a great signing for us and would be as good a replacement for Scruton as we're going to get, hopefully this takeovers done quickly because I can't see him being available for us
Nice idea but I believe Fakir is taking a break from the game to get his head straight. Plus he's VERY French. By that I mean the move might be a bit much in terms of a culture shock. When we had Elima he'd already played for Wakey and settled.
I like Fakir but at this time I don't think it'll come off.
[quote][p][bold]robw93[/bold] wrote: Need more people like this in our sport, willing to put significant money where his/her mouth is! Saw Jamal Fakir has been released from Catalan, he would be a great signing for us and would be as good a replacement for Scruton as we're going to get, hopefully this takeovers done quickly because I can't see him being available for us[/p][/quote]Nice idea but I believe Fakir is taking a break from the game to get his head straight. Plus he's VERY French. By that I mean the move might be a bit much in terms of a culture shock. When we had Elima he'd already played for Wakey and settled. I like Fakir but at this time I don't think it'll come off. Lythambull
  • Score: 4

2:23pm Fri 14 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Flashdonut,
Indeed she has but let us not jump the gun with her hopeful takeover. I would assume the RFL will be put under a lot of pressure from other clubs to reject it.Again,an assumption,but I am guessing that Mr.Wood and Rimmer are in a bit of a power struggle at the moment with Mr.Lenegan and co. and definitely will not want to "rock the boat" to much,unless it sinks.As I have said many times,I would not trust the RFL to make any sensible judgement.
Flashdonut, Indeed she has but let us not jump the gun with her hopeful takeover. I would assume the RFL will be put under a lot of pressure from other clubs to reject it.Again,an assumption,but I am guessing that Mr.Wood and Rimmer are in a bit of a power struggle at the moment with Mr.Lenegan and co. and definitely will not want to "rock the boat" to much,unless it sinks.As I have said many times,I would not trust the RFL to make any sensible judgement. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 8

2:31pm Fri 14 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

Nigel Wood telling us Mandy is fit. Wonder if the day will ever come when Mandy tells us Nigel is fit !!
Nigel Wood telling us Mandy is fit. Wonder if the day will ever come when Mandy tells us Nigel is fit !! bradfordbronco
  • Score: 5

2:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote:
On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order.

You have a very short memory.

They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters.

We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc.

To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
What have I done wrong?????
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]What have I done wrong????? oddshapedballs
  • Score: -4

2:59pm Fri 14 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote:
On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order.

You have a very short memory.

They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters.

We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc.

To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
What have I done wrong?????
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]What have I done wrong????? oddshapedballs
  • Score: -4

3:02pm Fri 14 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in.

This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet.

You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.
At some point, the full truth will finally come out. I suspect once those who know what actually happened feel able to tell, without it damaging the prospects for a future of sorts for the club. And when it does, I suspect even you will find you are surprised at just how wrong you were, over so much that has gone on in this sorry saga and in the conclusions you have drawn.

Write that down someplace, so you can come back to it when it happens.

Because I sure as hell have.
Leave me alone I never mentioned any of this just that Mandy is HOT. Leave me to perve
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in. This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet. You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.[/p][/quote]At some point, the full truth will finally come out. I suspect once those who know what actually happened feel able to tell, without it damaging the prospects for a future of sorts for the club. And when it does, I suspect even you will find you are surprised at just how wrong you were, over so much that has gone on in this sorry saga and in the conclusions you have drawn. Write that down someplace, so you can come back to it when it happens. Because I sure as hell have.[/p][/quote]Leave me alone I never mentioned any of this just that Mandy is HOT. Leave me to perve oddshapedballs
  • Score: -1

3:02pm Fri 14 Mar 14

oddshapedballs says...

Adeybull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
oddshapedballs wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!!
I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case
They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in.

This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet.

You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.
At some point, the full truth will finally come out. I suspect once those who know what actually happened feel able to tell, without it damaging the prospects for a future of sorts for the club. And when it does, I suspect even you will find you are surprised at just how wrong you were, over so much that has gone on in this sorry saga and in the conclusions you have drawn.

Write that down someplace, so you can come back to it when it happens.

Because I sure as hell have.
Leave me alone I never mentioned any of this just that Mandy is HOT. Leave me to perve
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]oddshapedballs[/bold] wrote: On top of everything Mandy is HOT!![/p][/quote]I think your comments regarding Moore and co are totally out of order. You have a very short memory. They never said they had pots of cash to invest but what they did invest ( and their families ) was masses of time and enthusiasm. They were sorting out the mess Kahn left behind and working at all sorts of revenue streams. The Coral stand was earning money on a regular basis and if you attended a match, it was bouncing with paying supporters. We will never know but their stated aim was to get to the end of the season and then move forward with full Sky money etc. To be fair to them they were doing their best to save the Bulls in any way they could, when nobody else was willing to do it and always said they would happily stand aside should someone with significant cash come along. Which we all hope is now the case[/p][/quote]They were trying to buy the club with it's own money. They stripped the stadium for scrap metal, they said they owned the club when they didn't, they promised a ringfenced team, they took the club from the previous owner by putting it into admin and claimed no points deduction, they claimed admin would never happen even though they setup a phoenix company in preparation for it, the RFL was paying the wages, the season ticket money has disappeared or been spent already 2 games in. This is what we know from the T&A, there maybe more skeletons to come out yet. You believe what you want, a bullet was dodged.[/p][/quote]At some point, the full truth will finally come out. I suspect once those who know what actually happened feel able to tell, without it damaging the prospects for a future of sorts for the club. And when it does, I suspect even you will find you are surprised at just how wrong you were, over so much that has gone on in this sorry saga and in the conclusions you have drawn. Write that down someplace, so you can come back to it when it happens. Because I sure as hell have.[/p][/quote]Leave me alone I never mentioned any of this just that Mandy is HOT. Leave me to perve oddshapedballs
  • Score: -5

3:02pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Paul from Idle says...

Sad bull wrote:
Paul from Idle wrote:
As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ?

Smart move.

As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved
Really cosmetic removing all the perimeter fencing and leaving steel stumps within the concrete. There was absolutely no need to start stripping the ground of fittings and fixtures,which clearly the barriers were fixtures.
I would not invest in anything I did not own saving for my statutary obligations,common sense really.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!![/p][/quote]So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ? Smart move. As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved[/p][/quote]Really cosmetic removing all the perimeter fencing and leaving steel stumps within the concrete. There was absolutely no need to start stripping the ground of fittings and fixtures,which clearly the barriers were fixtures. I would not invest in anything I did not own saving for my statutary obligations,common sense really. Paul from Idle
  • Score: 2

3:12pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Sad bull wrote:
Paul from Idle wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ? Smart move. As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved
You just believe what you are told.

Even after all that has happened some still lap up the noises from Odsal as fact.

Winding up orders missed due to admin errors. No admin or phoenix clubs, ringfenced squads, we are the new owners but Khan owns the shares, we are all quiting as directors but only 1 did.

The reason the club is in the state it is in is down to people lapping up the lies and shouting down those who were asking questions for not being true fans.

There is blind faith and loyalty, and it's what those who ran the show wanted as they could do whatever they wanted without question.

It was nice to Cllr Green getting ripped to pieces on twitter last night over the £200k loan and why they haven't got the money back from Khan yet when the defaults were months ago.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!![/p][/quote]So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ? Smart move. As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved[/p][/quote]You just believe what you are told. Even after all that has happened some still lap up the noises from Odsal as fact. Winding up orders missed due to admin errors. No admin or phoenix clubs, ringfenced squads, we are the new owners but Khan owns the shares, we are all quiting as directors but only 1 did. The reason the club is in the state it is in is down to people lapping up the lies and shouting down those who were asking questions for not being true fans. There is blind faith and loyalty, and it's what those who ran the show wanted as they could do whatever they wanted without question. It was nice to Cllr Green getting ripped to pieces on twitter last night over the £200k loan and why they haven't got the money back from Khan yet when the defaults were months ago. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -1

3:34pm Fri 14 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

Just a thought but if buying as OK Bulls and paying off creditors then
a/ is it classed as a takeover therefore nil or reduced point loss and
b/ does that mean no change to players contracts therefore players that left could technically still be contracted, that may enable them to return for repayment of any costs
c/ not many props of proven quality around so Fakir may be good option.

Hope she's successful! Could be on the up, Due for some good news.
CoyB's
Just a thought but if buying as OK Bulls and paying off creditors then a/ is it classed as a takeover therefore nil or reduced point loss and b/ does that mean no change to players contracts therefore players that left could technically still be contracted, that may enable them to return for repayment of any costs c/ not many props of proven quality around so Fakir may be good option. Hope she's successful! Could be on the up, Due for some good news. CoyB's portugalbull
  • Score: 4

3:35pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Sad bull wrote:
Paul from Idle wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!!
So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ? Smart move. As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved
You just believe what you are told.

Even after all that has happened some still lap up the noises from Odsal as fact.

Winding up orders missed due to admin errors. No admin or phoenix clubs, ringfenced squads, we are the new owners but Khan owns the shares, we are all quiting as directors but only 1 did.

The reason the club is in the state it is in is down to people lapping up the lies and shouting down those who were asking questions for not being true fans.

There is blind faith and loyalty, and it's what those who ran the show wanted as they could do whatever they wanted without question.

It was nice to Cllr Green getting ripped to pieces on twitter last night over the £200k loan and why they haven't got the money back from Khan yet when the defaults were months ago.
well said
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Paul from Idle[/bold] wrote: As an aside how could the last regime strip out the metal for scrap without the landlords consent? The ground looked awful at the last home game and it said a lot about the guys running it!![/p][/quote]So you would have invested in ground improvements when you didn't own the club ? Smart move. As I understand it basic health and safety work had been carried out as required by the council to get the licence to put a game on but clearly no cosmetic work was ever going to happen until all was resolved[/p][/quote]You just believe what you are told. Even after all that has happened some still lap up the noises from Odsal as fact. Winding up orders missed due to admin errors. No admin or phoenix clubs, ringfenced squads, we are the new owners but Khan owns the shares, we are all quiting as directors but only 1 did. The reason the club is in the state it is in is down to people lapping up the lies and shouting down those who were asking questions for not being true fans. There is blind faith and loyalty, and it's what those who ran the show wanted as they could do whatever they wanted without question. It was nice to Cllr Green getting ripped to pieces on twitter last night over the £200k loan and why they haven't got the money back from Khan yet when the defaults were months ago.[/p][/quote]well said Andy2010
  • Score: 0

3:53pm Fri 14 Mar 14

BCFC LAD says says...

What I cant understand is what attracted Mandy to the multimillionaire Dr.
What I cant understand is what attracted Mandy to the multimillionaire Dr. BCFC LAD says
  • Score: 3

3:55pm Fri 14 Mar 14

doctor.t says...

What is it,with the T & A????

Headline says 90% CERTAIN to buy.
Koukash quoted as 90% CONFIDENT his wife's bid will be accepted.

Misleading,at best!!!

Hope it happens,though.
What is it,with the T & A???? Headline says 90% CERTAIN to buy. Koukash quoted as 90% CONFIDENT his wife's bid will be accepted. Misleading,at best!!! Hope it happens,though. doctor.t
  • Score: 3

4:41pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Dannyp1892 says...

StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore... Dannyp1892
  • Score: 3

5:05pm Fri 14 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
[quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home? StevieLad
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5:11pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Dannyp1892 says...

StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash.

But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?[/p][/quote]It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash. But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again? Dannyp1892
  • Score: 0

5:12pm Fri 14 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
Can I add to that. Some people do rarely buy clubs for other reasons. Eg. to bolster their public profile and thus protect themselves and their controversially-gain
ed assets from the authorities back home. For the avoidance of doubt I am thinking of Abramovich among others, not Koukash!
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?[/p][/quote]Can I add to that. Some people do rarely buy clubs for other reasons. Eg. to bolster their public profile and thus protect themselves and their controversially-gain ed assets from the authorities back home. For the avoidance of doubt I am thinking of Abramovich among others, not Koukash! StevieLad
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Fri 14 Mar 14

StevieLad says...

Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash.

But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?
Could do. What's the alternative though?
[quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?[/p][/quote]It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash. But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?[/p][/quote]Could do. What's the alternative though? StevieLad
  • Score: 0

5:15pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Dannyp1892 says...

StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash.

But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?
Could do. What's the alternative though?
I suppose there isn't one. We just have to do we have done as Bulls fans for the last 18 months and ride the wave and see what happens. As fans, we have no way of influencing who buys the club anyway, so why we continue to whinge about it I don't know. Even I whinge, I'm doing it now! I do hope the Bulls can move forward, but i'm not sure this is the answer. Only time will tell
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?[/p][/quote]It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash. But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?[/p][/quote]Could do. What's the alternative though?[/p][/quote]I suppose there isn't one. We just have to do we have done as Bulls fans for the last 18 months and ride the wave and see what happens. As fans, we have no way of influencing who buys the club anyway, so why we continue to whinge about it I don't know. Even I whinge, I'm doing it now! I do hope the Bulls can move forward, but i'm not sure this is the answer. Only time will tell Dannyp1892
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Ryanbulls says...

His daughter Layla is a fine specimen too
His daughter Layla is a fine specimen too Ryanbulls
  • Score: -12

7:16pm Fri 14 Mar 14

Van Bellen's Baby says...

Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash.

But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?
Could do. What's the alternative though?
I suppose there isn't one. We just have to do we have done as Bulls fans for the last 18 months and ride the wave and see what happens. As fans, we have no way of influencing who buys the club anyway, so why we continue to whinge about it I don't know. Even I whinge, I'm doing it now! I do hope the Bulls can move forward, but i'm not sure this is the answer. Only time will tell
Is this the longest quote/re-quote in the history of forums? ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?[/p][/quote]It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash. But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?[/p][/quote]Could do. What's the alternative though?[/p][/quote]I suppose there isn't one. We just have to do we have done as Bulls fans for the last 18 months and ride the wave and see what happens. As fans, we have no way of influencing who buys the club anyway, so why we continue to whinge about it I don't know. Even I whinge, I'm doing it now! I do hope the Bulls can move forward, but i'm not sure this is the answer. Only time will tell[/p][/quote]Is this the longest quote/re-quote in the history of forums? ;-) Van Bellen's Baby
  • Score: 0

8:45pm Fri 14 Mar 14

northern pig says...

I can' believe how fortunate we could be if Mandy 's bid is successful.As a life long supporter, It,s like we have won the pools on the day the gas and leccy were turned off and the food ran out. Let me ask an hypothetical question? If she decided a new ground was the way forward, after the club as been stableised .How many of you would support that venture.As opposed to staying at Odsal? I on many occasions have favoured a move to Valley Parade because of the superior spectator comforts. Given that Marwan's Olham Athletic deal fell through because of the very subject.Where do we all stand?
I can' believe how fortunate we could be if Mandy 's bid is successful.As a life long supporter, It,s like we have won the pools on the day the gas and leccy were turned off and the food ran out. Let me ask an hypothetical question? If she decided a new ground was the way forward, after the club as been stableised .How many of you would support that venture.As opposed to staying at Odsal? I on many occasions have favoured a move to Valley Parade because of the superior spectator comforts. Given that Marwan's Olham Athletic deal fell through because of the very subject.Where do we all stand? northern pig
  • Score: 2

7:33am Sat 15 Mar 14

flashdonut says...

Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Yes. Ladies & gentlemen, here is a truth speaker. Well done that man.
[quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Yes. Ladies & gentlemen, here is a truth speaker. Well done that man. flashdonut
  • Score: 0

11:57am Sat 15 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

I hope the bid is successful we can build a good team \ business.
A move away from odsal to a new stadium wouldn't be all bad either maybe redevelopment of Horsfall or the like.
but not a ground shate at valley parade, I would prefer to spend as little time as possible in that neck of the woods.
I hope the bid is successful we can build a good team \ business. A move away from odsal to a new stadium wouldn't be all bad either maybe redevelopment of Horsfall or the like. but not a ground shate at valley parade, I would prefer to spend as little time as possible in that neck of the woods. Bowlingboy
  • Score: -4

1:57pm Sat 15 Mar 14

northern pig says...

There as been a deafening silence by respondents to my post at 8:45 last night, re the Bulls playing at a ground with 21st century facilities for the rank and file supporters.Apart from bowling boy,it would appear that the majority are loathe to a move, even if we remained in South Bradford. So if Mandy becomes the owner as most of us hope. I can't see her spending money on ground she does not own.So who is going to invest the millions it would cost to refurbish Odsal? You tell me.
There as been a deafening silence by respondents to my post at 8:45 last night, re the Bulls playing at a ground with 21st century facilities for the rank and file supporters.Apart from bowling boy,it would appear that the majority are loathe to a move, even if we remained in South Bradford. So if Mandy becomes the owner as most of us hope. I can't see her spending money on ground she does not own.So who is going to invest the millions it would cost to refurbish Odsal? You tell me. northern pig
  • Score: 2

2:09pm Sat 15 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

northern pig wrote:
There as been a deafening silence by respondents to my post at 8:45 last night, re the Bulls playing at a ground with 21st century facilities for the rank and file supporters.Apart from bowling boy,it would appear that the majority are loathe to a move, even if we remained in South Bradford. So if Mandy becomes the owner as most of us hope. I can't see her spending money on ground she does not own.So who is going to invest the millions it would cost to refurbish Odsal? You tell me.
Unless they bought odsal which would make it a company asset again,
Then redevelop it's not beyond thier means and I am sure they could attract investment as Castleford with their new ground.
once you have cash the possibilities are endless!
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: There as been a deafening silence by respondents to my post at 8:45 last night, re the Bulls playing at a ground with 21st century facilities for the rank and file supporters.Apart from bowling boy,it would appear that the majority are loathe to a move, even if we remained in South Bradford. So if Mandy becomes the owner as most of us hope. I can't see her spending money on ground she does not own.So who is going to invest the millions it would cost to refurbish Odsal? You tell me.[/p][/quote]Unless they bought odsal which would make it a company asset again, Then redevelop it's not beyond thier means and I am sure they could attract investment as Castleford with their new ground. once you have cash the possibilities are endless! Bowlingboy
  • Score: 0

2:23pm Sat 15 Mar 14

northern pig says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
northern pig wrote:
There as been a deafening silence by respondents to my post at 8:45 last night, re the Bulls playing at a ground with 21st century facilities for the rank and file supporters.Apart from bowling boy,it would appear that the majority are loathe to a move, even if we remained in South Bradford. So if Mandy becomes the owner as most of us hope. I can't see her spending money on ground she does not own.So who is going to invest the millions it would cost to refurbish Odsal? You tell me.
Unless they bought odsal which would make it a company asset again,
Then redevelop it's not beyond thier means and I am sure they could attract investment as Castleford with their new ground.
once you have cash the possibilities are endless!
I don't think the council would want to relinquish the freehold on Odsal.The land is worth a fortune to a developer given It's close proximity to the motorway network. I think it would swallow up sizeable chunk of theKoukash millions but like you say it is a possibility.
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: There as been a deafening silence by respondents to my post at 8:45 last night, re the Bulls playing at a ground with 21st century facilities for the rank and file supporters.Apart from bowling boy,it would appear that the majority are loathe to a move, even if we remained in South Bradford. So if Mandy becomes the owner as most of us hope. I can't see her spending money on ground she does not own.So who is going to invest the millions it would cost to refurbish Odsal? You tell me.[/p][/quote]Unless they bought odsal which would make it a company asset again, Then redevelop it's not beyond thier means and I am sure they could attract investment as Castleford with their new ground. once you have cash the possibilities are endless![/p][/quote]I don't think the council would want to relinquish the freehold on Odsal.The land is worth a fortune to a developer given It's close proximity to the motorway network. I think it would swallow up sizeable chunk of theKoukash millions but like you say it is a possibility. northern pig
  • Score: 0

10:55pm Sat 15 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

Van Bellen's Baby wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Dannyp1892 wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
bully4us wrote:
It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t.

Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move.

If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.
I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love.

While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward.

Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well
If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire?

Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds.

Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out.

If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...
Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights.

Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?
It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash.

But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?
Could do. What's the alternative though?
I suppose there isn't one. We just have to do we have done as Bulls fans for the last 18 months and ride the wave and see what happens. As fans, we have no way of influencing who buys the club anyway, so why we continue to whinge about it I don't know. Even I whinge, I'm doing it now! I do hope the Bulls can move forward, but i'm not sure this is the answer. Only time will tell
Is this the longest quote/re-quote in the history of forums? ;-)
It is now!!
[quote][p][bold]Van Bellen's Baby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Dannyp1892[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: It is easy to have a go at different people. TVOR may be right by saying we dodged a bullet but it was the only bullet in town as nobody else came forward with any real money. It was the same with OK. These people clearly didn’t have the money but I can’t have a go at someone who steps in to try their best to save a club. We would have closed if they hadn’t. Now a multi-millionaire is interested it is too easy to have a go at the others. That is a cheap shot to me. Let’s just accept they had the nerve to try but didn’t have the cash. I also wish the RFL would resign but they might have done us a favour here. Dr K said they had contacted the RFL a few weeks ago for a chat. The RFL said they had interested parties in the background. Maybe they decided they needed to pull the plug on Mr Moore before we ended with more of the same and force him out by placing unacceptable restrictions on the club so that Mrs K could make her move. If this comes off, then yes, they might have done us a favour even though it looks to have been tough on Mr Moore and all of the time and effort he has put in. Hopefully Mrs K will buy us possibly with another rich partner (not Mr K) and stay with us for many years. History will then show that OK and MM were the ones that saved us from immediate closure and kept us just above the surface till a genuine money person took over.[/p][/quote]I give credit to Moore & Co for not walking away in very difficult circumstances. And they must have put in some serious hours for not much in return. I guess they assumed their payoff would be salvation and eventual ownership of the club they love. While it doesn't cancel out that credit, it is a shame that they made such rash public statements after the points deduction. They carpet bombed their bridges with the RFL and pee'd on the ashes. Makes it difficult to go forward. Of course we don't know what provoked this response behind the scenes but to pull the trigger like that rarely works out well[/p][/quote]If I own 5 houses worth £200,000, but have £300 in my bank account can I call myself a millionaire? Moore & co deserve no credit. They tried to buy the company through a back door, using slack tactics and somebody else's money. Don't believe for 1 minute that they spent every waking minute at odsal, doing shifts, like 3 men around a camp fire sleeping in shifts looking out for Wolves, it didn't happen. they all slept soundly at night and probably did a standard 6 hour shift. with 2 days off each week. They may have claimed to have lots of money, but in reality, all this cash they claimed to posess was probably tied up in assets that they couldn't get hold of in less than 6 months even if they tried, I would take a stab in the dark that they probably had about £100,000, between them, in their 3 bank accounts as cleared funds. Honestly, people will buy anything... Omar Khan was probably the same. He didn't buy the Bulls to save them, he bought them for an opportunity to make more money. Whether he did or not is debatable, but I can assure you he didn't lose as much as he makes out. If I decide I want to buy a football club, lets say for example, Hartlepool United, and they are £600,000 in debt and they don't own their own stadium and somebody says to me, come and buy Hartlepool, you only need to put £600,000 up front, and buy back the stadium, and pay the players wages each month which is around £150,000 per month and all this season's sponsorship money has already been spent, oh, and all the TV money has been spent too, but they are a great commercial prospect if run correctly, but you won't make any money for at least 4 seasons and by that time you would have spent £2million..... I could go on, but I won't, I wouldn't buy it, you wouldn't buy, no-one would buy it unless they saw a way to make more than they put in initially, it's just fact. So something isn't right down at Odsal and something isn't right at the RFL either. We're all being treated like fools and I don't fancy listening to it anymore...[/p][/quote]Well the exact ins and outs we will probably never know unless Julian Assange had a contact in there. But I agree that despite all the positive PR they put out, clubs are bought to make money either on trading profits or on a capital gain. It is normally the latter these days - especially if you're buying a club from administration / dire financial straights. Speaking of positive PR, all the previous bunch of owners have given up on that I notice. No more talk of taking the club forward to try to keep the fans onside. OK still on a sick note & Moore+Co taken bat & ball home?[/p][/quote]It's no surprise is it? They have all come out of this worse off, from a character point of view, especially OK. Maybe we do need need someone like Koukash. But do you not fear that they will turn both us and Salford into another Portsmouth Football Club? Inject loads of money, buy lot's of players on very expensive wages, get the crowds in, win a few trophies then walk away leaving us with lots of debt again?[/p][/quote]Could do. What's the alternative though?[/p][/quote]I suppose there isn't one. We just have to do we have done as Bulls fans for the last 18 months and ride the wave and see what happens. As fans, we have no way of influencing who buys the club anyway, so why we continue to whinge about it I don't know. Even I whinge, I'm doing it now! I do hope the Bulls can move forward, but i'm not sure this is the answer. Only time will tell[/p][/quote]Is this the longest quote/re-quote in the history of forums? ;-)[/p][/quote]It is now!! bradfordbronco
  • Score: -1

9:12pm Sun 16 Mar 14

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

don't get too excited just take note how well Salford are doing
don't get too excited just take note how well Salford are doing christinetowell456@btinternet.com
  • Score: -1

5:58am Mon 17 Mar 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Brian (not you Raise) you are Bradford through and through.
If you have persuaded this family to put their wealth behind this ailing ship the Bradford fans have much to be gratefull for.

Fingers crossed that the RFL agree.
With several super league club in the mire In recent times the man with the money Is a no brainer.
Brian (not you Raise) you are Bradford through and through. If you have persuaded this family to put their wealth behind this ailing ship the Bradford fans have much to be gratefull for. Fingers crossed that the RFL agree. With several super league club in the mire In recent times the man with the money Is a no brainer. Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 1

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