Administrator and RFL seek 'right deal' to secure Bradford Bulls' future

Richard Lamb

Richard Lamb

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The Rugby Football League met the administrator running Bradford Bulls today but said there was “no specific timescale” to find new owners for the Super League club.

The Bulls entered administration on January 31 and were docked six points as punishment last Tuesday, prompting Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd chairman Mark Moore and co-directors Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt to withdraw their bid to buy the club.

Blake Solly, the RFL’s director of standards and licensing, met Leeds-based administrator David Wilson today and said a number of groups had expressed an interest in buying the Bulls.

So far, only London-based Richard Lamb has made his interest public but it is understood there are four different parties vying to take control.

Mr Lamb also held talks with the administrator today and is due to meet Mr Solly in Leeds on Friday.

Mr Solly said: “Everyone wants to find a buyer as soon as possible but the administrator and the RFL don’t want to tie things down to a specific timescale.

“We just want to speak to those people who are interested and find the right party to produce a viable future for the Bulls. The RFL is in constant dialogue with the administrator.”

Mr Lamb said: “I was pleased with today’s meeting with David and hope that we can build an achievable plan that works from both the administrators and RFL’s point of view.

“I now plan to meet the RFL and put together a formal bid either later this week or the start of next week.”

Meanwhile, in a bitter war of words, Mr Moore accused the governing body of misleading the club throughout their dealings, with RFL chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer laying the blame for the crisis at the directors' failure to fulfil their promise to purchase the club from former owner Omar Khan.

The three directors have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Mr Rimmer effectively accused them of lying, and Mr Moore has called on the RFL to issue an apology.

An RFL spokesman said: “There will be no public response but we will respond to Moore's lawyers appropriately.”

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6:44pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Videoref says...

He said, She said , I'm taking my bat n ball home.
why can't you grow up and sort the mess out?
He said, She said , I'm taking my bat n ball home. why can't you grow up and sort the mess out? Videoref
  • Score: 4

7:15pm Mon 3 Mar 14

NG1972 says...

No Specific timescale . Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision in the first place by accepting MM bid. There should be a specific timescale while ever he cant make a decision we cant sign players and resolve this mess. The longer It goes on the players are free to go and also prevents us from building a squad to fight the relegation. I thought Mr Lamb had talks last week when he submitted his last bid why don't they just accept that and get on with this??
No Specific timescale . Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision in the first place by accepting MM bid. There should be a specific timescale while ever he cant make a decision we cant sign players and resolve this mess. The longer It goes on the players are free to go and also prevents us from building a squad to fight the relegation. I thought Mr Lamb had talks last week when he submitted his last bid why don't they just accept that and get on with this?? NG1972
  • Score: 13

7:20pm Mon 3 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

Hope Mr Lamb takes what Solly / Rimmer says with a pinch of salt.
Also advised administrator that reduced assets (players) will reduce offer.
Hope Mr Lamb takes what Solly / Rimmer says with a pinch of salt. Also advised administrator that reduced assets (players) will reduce offer. portugalbull
  • Score: 7

7:32pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bfdbull says...

they were working with admin last time and let omar in, then accepted a bid from bb2014 but put them admin and in special measures when their were other parties interested. well done rfl take your time wont you
they were working with admin last time and let omar in, then accepted a bid from bb2014 but put them admin and in special measures when their were other parties interested. well done rfl take your time wont you bfdbull
  • Score: 19

8:03pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

Wish they would pull thier finger out the longer it goes on the more damage is done.
I hear the mystery party is koukash'S brother....
Wish they would pull thier finger out the longer it goes on the more damage is done. I hear the mystery party is koukash'S brother.... Bowlingboy
  • Score: 7

8:09pm Mon 3 Mar 14

axlef1963 says...

Are the RFL trying to kill the Bulls in a slow lingering DEATH.For gods sake some one at the circus that is red hall get your finger out of your ar#e and get it sorted.It seems they take a month to make a decision then say its going to happen at the end of the week no wonder they couldn't get a title sponsor.After the shambles they have made of the job so far I think its time all concerned resign and lets get someone incharge who actually know what there doing COYB
Are the RFL trying to kill the Bulls in a slow lingering DEATH.For gods sake some one at the circus that is red hall get your finger out of your ar#e and get it sorted.It seems they take a month to make a decision then say its going to happen at the end of the week no wonder they couldn't get a title sponsor.After the shambles they have made of the job so far I think its time all concerned resign and lets get someone incharge who actually know what there doing COYB axlef1963
  • Score: 15

8:24pm Mon 3 Mar 14

AUGUST1964 says...

RLFANS116
RLFANS116 AUGUST1964
  • Score: 2

8:24pm Mon 3 Mar 14

collos25 says...

Just let them get on with it they seem to have lost a lot of supporters and goodwill but oversized egos seem to be the main stumbling block and non existant money .
Just let them get on with it they seem to have lost a lot of supporters and goodwill but oversized egos seem to be the main stumbling block and non existant money . collos25
  • Score: -5

8:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

bfdbull wrote:
they were working with admin last time and let omar in, then accepted a bid from bb2014 but put them admin and in special measures when their were other parties interested. well done rfl take your time wont you
Of course they will take their time to allow a couple more players to leave and weaken us further ! All part of the grand plan.
[quote][p][bold]bfdbull[/bold] wrote: they were working with admin last time and let omar in, then accepted a bid from bb2014 but put them admin and in special measures when their were other parties interested. well done rfl take your time wont you[/p][/quote]Of course they will take their time to allow a couple more players to leave and weaken us further ! All part of the grand plan. Sad bull
  • Score: 12

8:31pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Bring Cordle back......... says...

No rush let the administrator run up a healthy bill, let the other teams have easy pickings on the quality players in our squad, let Mr Cummins struggle under special measures a little longer and let the negative press around our great team and sport just drag on!!!! But no time scale....... The Bulls have made there own mess but do the RFL really need to compound it?
No rush let the administrator run up a healthy bill, let the other teams have easy pickings on the quality players in our squad, let Mr Cummins struggle under special measures a little longer and let the negative press around our great team and sport just drag on!!!! But no time scale....... The Bulls have made there own mess but do the RFL really need to compound it? Bring Cordle back.........
  • Score: 9

8:34pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Sheffieldbull says...

NG1972 wrote:
No Specific timescale . Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision in the first place by accepting MM bid. There should be a specific timescale while ever he cant make a decision we cant sign players and resolve this mess. The longer It goes on the players are free to go and also prevents us from building a squad to fight the relegation. I thought Mr Lamb had talks last week when he submitted his last bid why don't they just accept that and get on with this??
Interesting isn’t it that the RFL don’t have any specific time scales. What makes you think that that Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision NG? Different agenda’s are more to the point.
Any delays now only weaken the Bulls position – do you think that troubles the RFL? Personally, I think it suits them perfectly.
A lot of people still quote MM’s statement about -6points meaning ‘certain relegation’ even though he’s gone on record and stated quite clearly that the deduction COUPLED with the ‘special measures’ make the situation impossible – not just for the Club but for the Board as individuals themselves. Please, everyone, take some time to understand the implications of exactly how ‘special measures’ impact both on the Club and the ‘Owners’.
It suits the RFL to continue this for as long as THEY take. They will sanction player contracts at the drop of a hat, they will accept Bids and then change the goalposts, THEY are the RFL and preside proudly over all they control – a comedy of errors that include numerous Administrations whilst policing their own Licensing System, forced mergers (Hull/Gateshead and Huddersfield/Sheffie
ld) The ‘Tragic’ Weekend farce, the 8+8+8 restructure, years without a main sponsor, renegotiation of the all important TV rights two years before it runs out without getting the full potential value ... the list goes on.
So, no time scales RFL?, what a surprise.... no... really!
[quote][p][bold]NG1972[/bold] wrote: No Specific timescale . Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision in the first place by accepting MM bid. There should be a specific timescale while ever he cant make a decision we cant sign players and resolve this mess. The longer It goes on the players are free to go and also prevents us from building a squad to fight the relegation. I thought Mr Lamb had talks last week when he submitted his last bid why don't they just accept that and get on with this??[/p][/quote]Interesting isn’t it that the RFL don’t have any specific time scales. What makes you think that that Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision NG? Different agenda’s are more to the point. Any delays now only weaken the Bulls position – do you think that troubles the RFL? Personally, I think it suits them perfectly. A lot of people still quote MM’s statement about -6points meaning ‘certain relegation’ even though he’s gone on record and stated quite clearly that the deduction COUPLED with the ‘special measures’ make the situation impossible – not just for the Club but for the Board as individuals themselves. Please, everyone, take some time to understand the implications of exactly how ‘special measures’ impact both on the Club and the ‘Owners’. It suits the RFL to continue this for as long as THEY take. They will sanction player contracts at the drop of a hat, they will accept Bids and then change the goalposts, THEY are the RFL and preside proudly over all they control – a comedy of errors that include numerous Administrations whilst policing their own Licensing System, forced mergers (Hull/Gateshead and Huddersfield/Sheffie ld) The ‘Tragic’ Weekend farce, the 8+8+8 restructure, years without a main sponsor, renegotiation of the all important TV rights two years before it runs out without getting the full potential value ... the list goes on. So, no time scales RFL?, what a surprise.... no... really! Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 19

8:52pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bcfc1903 says...

Funny how the Leeds administrators made the wrong choice then the Leeds based RFL ratified that choice then a few days later complain about those taking over the great rugby league club in Bradford basically calling them liars. A complete stitch up probably with the sole idea of crippling one of the great names of UK Rugby League. How very sad that a club which can on occasions pull in crowds well in excess of 15,000 is being obliterated. The game is clearly being run by total buffoons.
Funny how the Leeds administrators made the wrong choice then the Leeds based RFL ratified that choice then a few days later complain about those taking over the great rugby league club in Bradford basically calling them liars. A complete stitch up probably with the sole idea of crippling one of the great names of UK Rugby League. How very sad that a club which can on occasions pull in crowds well in excess of 15,000 is being obliterated. The game is clearly being run by total buffoons. bcfc1903
  • Score: 15

9:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Inki60 says...

Looks to me like RFL are trying to get rid of bulls altogether have they something else on the agenda for odsal?
Looks to me like RFL are trying to get rid of bulls altogether have they something else on the agenda for odsal? Inki60
  • Score: 10

9:03pm Mon 3 Mar 14

melon head says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
NG1972 wrote:
No Specific timescale . Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision in the first place by accepting MM bid. There should be a specific timescale while ever he cant make a decision we cant sign players and resolve this mess. The longer It goes on the players are free to go and also prevents us from building a squad to fight the relegation. I thought Mr Lamb had talks last week when he submitted his last bid why don't they just accept that and get on with this??
Interesting isn’t it that the RFL don’t have any specific time scales. What makes you think that that Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision NG? Different agenda’s are more to the point.
Any delays now only weaken the Bulls position – do you think that troubles the RFL? Personally, I think it suits them perfectly.
A lot of people still quote MM’s statement about -6points meaning ‘certain relegation’ even though he’s gone on record and stated quite clearly that the deduction COUPLED with the ‘special measures’ make the situation impossible – not just for the Club but for the Board as individuals themselves. Please, everyone, take some time to understand the implications of exactly how ‘special measures’ impact both on the Club and the ‘Owners’.
It suits the RFL to continue this for as long as THEY take. They will sanction player contracts at the drop of a hat, they will accept Bids and then change the goalposts, THEY are the RFL and preside proudly over all they control – a comedy of errors that include numerous Administrations whilst policing their own Licensing System, forced mergers (Hull/Gateshead and Huddersfield/Sheffie

ld) The ‘Tragic’ Weekend farce, the 8+8+8 restructure, years without a main sponsor, renegotiation of the all important TV rights two years before it runs out without getting the full potential value ... the list goes on.
So, no time scales RFL?, what a surprise.... no... really!
the words nail and head spring mind "special measures" 6 points bad enough but having to ask sir at red hall if you can go for a wee!!!!! complete box of tools running this once great sport
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]NG1972[/bold] wrote: No Specific timescale . Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision in the first place by accepting MM bid. There should be a specific timescale while ever he cant make a decision we cant sign players and resolve this mess. The longer It goes on the players are free to go and also prevents us from building a squad to fight the relegation. I thought Mr Lamb had talks last week when he submitted his last bid why don't they just accept that and get on with this??[/p][/quote]Interesting isn’t it that the RFL don’t have any specific time scales. What makes you think that that Mr Wilson has already made the wrong decision NG? Different agenda’s are more to the point. Any delays now only weaken the Bulls position – do you think that troubles the RFL? Personally, I think it suits them perfectly. A lot of people still quote MM’s statement about -6points meaning ‘certain relegation’ even though he’s gone on record and stated quite clearly that the deduction COUPLED with the ‘special measures’ make the situation impossible – not just for the Club but for the Board as individuals themselves. Please, everyone, take some time to understand the implications of exactly how ‘special measures’ impact both on the Club and the ‘Owners’. It suits the RFL to continue this for as long as THEY take. They will sanction player contracts at the drop of a hat, they will accept Bids and then change the goalposts, THEY are the RFL and preside proudly over all they control – a comedy of errors that include numerous Administrations whilst policing their own Licensing System, forced mergers (Hull/Gateshead and Huddersfield/Sheffie ld) The ‘Tragic’ Weekend farce, the 8+8+8 restructure, years without a main sponsor, renegotiation of the all important TV rights two years before it runs out without getting the full potential value ... the list goes on. So, no time scales RFL?, what a surprise.... no... really![/p][/quote]the words nail and head spring mind "special measures" 6 points bad enough but having to ask sir at red hall if you can go for a wee!!!!! complete box of tools running this once great sport melon head
  • Score: 12

9:20pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Sheffieldbull says...

No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are
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THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL.

Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division.

On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying.
As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.

Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club.

Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation.

An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan.

IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories.

The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight.

Among their allegations and revelations are that:
+ Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly;
+ The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million;
+ That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less;
+ That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points;
+ Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars.
Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL.
“With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions.
“We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally!
“We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.”

Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.”
Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up.
“But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.”
MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat.
Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club.
Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore.

They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates.
On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board.
They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club.
On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season.
By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014.
The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead.
“We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.”
Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”.
ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business.
In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time.
Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC.

THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat.
“The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.”
Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event.
Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn.
“People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone. Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 34

10:10pm Mon 3 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are
.

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THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL.

Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division.

On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying.
As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.

Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club.

Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation.

An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan.

IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories.

The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight.

Among their allegations and revelations are that:
+ Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly;
+ The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million;
+ That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less;
+ That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points;
+ Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars.
Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL.
“With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions.
“We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally!
“We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.”

Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.”
Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up.
“But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.”
MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat.
Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club.
Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore.

They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates.
On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board.
They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club.
On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season.
By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014.
The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead.
“We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.”
Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”.
ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business.
In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time.
Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC.

THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat.
“The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.”
Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event.
Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn.
“People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
As the saying goes for evil to persist it takes one good man to do or say nothing! Well sheff. you are that good man and I applaud you, for saying what I believe to be accurate.

Over a period of some time we have heard this situation unfolding, and we (my wife and myself) have been disturbed by the level of niceness, purported to us by those unfortunate decent men, when discussing the treatment by the RFL, so much so we said that the trust might be ill judged.

But we perhaps remembered the first time it happened to us, and the wholly inappropriate handling of the sale of the stadium, and the caustic remarks that were made to the first genuine buyers, who merely wanted to ensure the future with their offers.
One of the consortium offered between £25 and £50k to the successful buyer of the club, which is, in my book made them credible! This was after the second enhanced bid was turned down due to ideology from the RFL, or was it something else? From your assessment it seems it was the famous hidden agenda?
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.[/p][/quote]As the saying goes for evil to persist it takes one good man to do or say nothing! Well sheff. you are that good man and I applaud you, for saying what I believe to be accurate. Over a period of some time we have heard this situation unfolding, and we (my wife and myself) have been disturbed by the level of niceness, purported to us by those unfortunate decent men, when discussing the treatment by the RFL, so much so we said that the trust might be ill judged. But we perhaps remembered the first time it happened to us, and the wholly inappropriate handling of the sale of the stadium, and the caustic remarks that were made to the first genuine buyers, who merely wanted to ensure the future with their offers. One of the consortium offered between £25 and £50k to the successful buyer of the club, which is, in my book made them credible! This was after the second enhanced bid was turned down due to ideology from the RFL, or was it something else? From your assessment it seems it was the famous hidden agenda? raisemeup
  • Score: 10

10:13pm Mon 3 Mar 14

jac&zac says...

if the above comment this stinks. How can any prospective buyer work with moving goalposts?
I hope the correct buyer can be found but with unprofessional people running the RFL how can anyone be sure?
I wonder how this is all being seen in the eyes of other professional sports?
Come on RFL if you are capable do what is right for the game and this famous Rugby League club.
if the above comment this stinks. How can any prospective buyer work with moving goalposts? I hope the correct buyer can be found but with unprofessional people running the RFL how can anyone be sure? I wonder how this is all being seen in the eyes of other professional sports? Come on RFL if you are capable do what is right for the game and this famous Rugby League club. jac&zac
  • Score: 11

10:51pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Adeybull says...

It occurs to me that, should the Bulls of necessity depart Odsal, the RFL could agree with the council to be bought out of the head lease?. Maybe for a bit more than they paid BBH for it, so making them a nice little profit? And ridding themselves of the "iconic" Odsal? I guess it would be at least a possibility?

And, if so, the Council would then have the site back, to sell or to redevelop, presumably for more than trhey paid the RFL for it, so making them a nice little profit? Given the site has to be amongst the single most strategically-valuab
le in the district, once the hole is filled in?

And a very badly weakened, but still just exsiting Bulls could maybe manage to complete the season,albeit getting pasted on a regular basis since they would likely lose more players and be precluded from recruiting permanent replacements especially as injuries kicked in more and more? But the integrity of the competition would be maintained, sort of, without the RFL having to worry about recompiling the ficture list mid-season? I guess you could imagine that coming to pass if a strong
bid was not otherwise forthcominhg or acceptable?

And if the Bulls struggled so badly, that would presumably give mich hope to a London club everyone had down for the drop, at least before they seemed to be signing up loads of overseas players giving them more hope anyway than seemed likely only a few weeks ago?

But how could this all come about? Maybe moving to VP at short order, of necessity, and certainly once the soccer finished? And staying there, doubtless as a Championship club but receiving enough funds from the RFL under the new arrangements to make a useful contribution to the costs of running VP? At least, provided more than just a few supporters turned up? In passing, I do recall a certain former chairman, a few years ago, telling the people of Bradford that they needed to turn out in ever increasing, not decreasing, numbers if top-flight RL was to continue in the city? Who knows, maybe people think they yet might?

That sort of outcome could, I speculate, solve a raft of problems for the RFL, not least a final solution to the pesky Bulls problem? And it could be very helpful to the Council too, and of course to BCFC (against whom I hold no ill will whatsoever, btw - far from it).

And so, if some consortium was now to approach the RFL with a proposal to bring all that about -or indeed if one may already have done so - you could imagine that the RFL might want give that more than passing consideration? Understandably so?

I can only speculate, and that is only one of a wide range of possible scenarios it is possible to envisage. Another is a Koucash fronts up with an open cheque book. Well, it is another POSSIBLE scenario, anyway!

I have to say, speaking purely personally, if such a scenario as that flight oif fancy above was ever to actually eventuate, I doubt I would be the only person lost to the game forever? Which is why it would surely be unlikely to ever happen that way in the real world?
It occurs to me that, should the Bulls of necessity depart Odsal, the RFL could agree with the council to be bought out of the head lease?. Maybe for a bit more than they paid BBH for it, so making them a nice little profit? And ridding themselves of the "iconic" Odsal? I guess it would be at least a possibility? And, if so, the Council would then have the site back, to sell or to redevelop, presumably for more than trhey paid the RFL for it, so making them a nice little profit? Given the site has to be amongst the single most strategically-valuab le in the district, once the hole is filled in? And a very badly weakened, but still just exsiting Bulls could maybe manage to complete the season,albeit getting pasted on a regular basis since they would likely lose more players and be precluded from recruiting permanent replacements especially as injuries kicked in more and more? But the integrity of the competition would be maintained, sort of, without the RFL having to worry about recompiling the ficture list mid-season? I guess you could imagine that coming to pass if a strong bid was not otherwise forthcominhg or acceptable? And if the Bulls struggled so badly, that would presumably give mich hope to a London club everyone had down for the drop, at least before they seemed to be signing up loads of overseas players giving them more hope anyway than seemed likely only a few weeks ago? But how could this all come about? Maybe moving to VP at short order, of necessity, and certainly once the soccer finished? And staying there, doubtless as a Championship club but receiving enough funds from the RFL under the new arrangements to make a useful contribution to the costs of running VP? At least, provided more than just a few supporters turned up? In passing, I do recall a certain former chairman, a few years ago, telling the people of Bradford that they needed to turn out in ever increasing, not decreasing, numbers if top-flight RL was to continue in the city? Who knows, maybe people think they yet might? That sort of outcome could, I speculate, solve a raft of problems for the RFL, not least a final solution to the pesky Bulls problem? And it could be very helpful to the Council too, and of course to BCFC (against whom I hold no ill will whatsoever, btw - far from it). And so, if some consortium was now to approach the RFL with a proposal to bring all that about -or indeed if one may already have done so - you could imagine that the RFL might want give that more than passing consideration? Understandably so? I can only speculate, and that is only one of a wide range of possible scenarios it is possible to envisage. Another is a Koucash fronts up with an open cheque book. Well, it is another POSSIBLE scenario, anyway! I have to say, speaking purely personally, if such a scenario as that flight oif fancy above was ever to actually eventuate, I doubt I would be the only person lost to the game forever? Which is why it would surely be unlikely to ever happen that way in the real world? Adeybull
  • Score: 9

10:55pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

The RFL are Robbers, Fools and Liars.
We need a buyer asap otherwise the club will fold at the end of the season
I'd rather we went now, and caused maximum damage to the RFL and the sport they pretend to run.

The RFL will drag it out for as long as possible. Increase the administrators bill so that creditors will not get paid. How much did Guilfoyle take last time because of the RFL's constant interference and delaying tactics

Its really got nothing to do with RFL. We are a football club and members of the Rugby Football League, but if someone wants to buy the business they could resign the membership and take up what ever form of football they want. Gaelic, American, Aussie Rules or Rugby Union.

I would favour RU it would be easier to get a fan base. Newcastle Falcons only got 7500 for their game against Leicester, we have the potential. A merger with Bradford & Bingley would jump us up the divisions and Division 2 football should be easily attainable within a few years.

130 years ago this area was the dominant force in RFU to such an extent we provided most off the England team. I think we should at least sound the RFU out about the proposals. I prefer League to Union but I prefer to support a club that isn't discriminated by the governing body.

If the RFL don't want us then lets see if the RFU do.

Lets see what Wood, Solly and Rimmer make of that
The RFL are Robbers, Fools and Liars. We need a buyer asap otherwise the club will fold at the end of the season I'd rather we went now, and caused maximum damage to the RFL and the sport they pretend to run. The RFL will drag it out for as long as possible. Increase the administrators bill so that creditors will not get paid. How much did Guilfoyle take last time because of the RFL's constant interference and delaying tactics Its really got nothing to do with RFL. We are a football club and members of the Rugby Football League, but if someone wants to buy the business they could resign the membership and take up what ever form of football they want. Gaelic, American, Aussie Rules or Rugby Union. I would favour RU it would be easier to get a fan base. Newcastle Falcons only got 7500 for their game against Leicester, we have the potential. A merger with Bradford & Bingley would jump us up the divisions and Division 2 football should be easily attainable within a few years. 130 years ago this area was the dominant force in RFU to such an extent we provided most off the England team. I think we should at least sound the RFU out about the proposals. I prefer League to Union but I prefer to support a club that isn't discriminated by the governing body. If the RFL don't want us then lets see if the RFU do. Lets see what Wood, Solly and Rimmer make of that bradfordbronco
  • Score: 9

11:02pm Mon 3 Mar 14

PHILISAN says...

Nice piece Sheffieldbull. All kudos to Mr Calvert and co.Unbelievable that a Governing body through it's leading officials can move the goal posts to block progress.This is not helped by our own inabilities to run the business properly in the first place.However,now is the time for all parties to act in a common interest to solve the inadequacies within the system, that has undermined the very principles that has bound the Rugby League fraternity together.I hope that the infighting ceases and that our wonderful Club can regain a healthier standing through any necessary means.Yet I still feel that the one should not be penalised or indeed sacrificed,for the very benefit of the struggling few.I would also call for the Regime to recognise that not all Clubs have the benefit of a wealthy backer to maintain a healthy balance sheet.This is unfair to the rest and in effect could,in time,weaken the League by creating the sort of wealth gap amongst its' member Clubs which is gathering momentum already this season.This imbalance will be,in my opinion,a certain recipe for disaster.
Nice piece Sheffieldbull. All kudos to Mr Calvert and co.Unbelievable that a Governing body through it's leading officials can move the goal posts to block progress.This is not helped by our own inabilities to run the business properly in the first place.However,now is the time for all parties to act in a common interest to solve the inadequacies within the system, that has undermined the very principles that has bound the Rugby League fraternity together.I hope that the infighting ceases and that our wonderful Club can regain a healthier standing through any necessary means.Yet I still feel that the one should not be penalised or indeed sacrificed,for the very benefit of the struggling few.I would also call for the Regime to recognise that not all Clubs have the benefit of a wealthy backer to maintain a healthy balance sheet.This is unfair to the rest and in effect could,in time,weaken the League by creating the sort of wealth gap amongst its' member Clubs which is gathering momentum already this season.This imbalance will be,in my opinion,a certain recipe for disaster. PHILISAN
  • Score: 6

11:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Adeybull says...

I beleive Sheff was repeating verbatim an article in one of the RL papers?
I beleive Sheff was repeating verbatim an article in one of the RL papers? Adeybull
  • Score: 3

11:05pm Mon 3 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

The RFL hierarchy don't live in the real world, they live in a cocoon of their own making. They have a agenda unknown to anyone but themselves - and we the supporters are treat with utter contempt and in their eyes are to blame for all the ills that have beset our Club. Change is inevitable now, lets hope we can survive it. COYB
The RFL hierarchy don't live in the real world, they live in a cocoon of their own making. They have a agenda unknown to anyone but themselves - and we the supporters are treat with utter contempt and in their eyes are to blame for all the ills that have beset our Club. Change is inevitable now, lets hope we can survive it. COYB raisemeup
  • Score: 9

11:18pm Mon 3 Mar 14

jac&zac says...

At the end of the day. The ones who are suffering are the ones giving blood, sweat and tears week in and week out( the coach and players ). The RFL need stop this STUPID game they appear to be playing.
What encouragement are they giving to youngsters watching the game?
At the end of the day. The ones who are suffering are the ones giving blood, sweat and tears week in and week out( the coach and players ). The RFL need stop this STUPID game they appear to be playing. What encouragement are they giving to youngsters watching the game? jac&zac
  • Score: 6

11:19pm Mon 3 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

I have seen for myself the reason the RFL are so fond of their meetings. Its the buffet that accompanies them. Just look at the size of Nigel Wood, its obvious The more meeting the more Eatings. Nothing gets in the way of Mr Wood and the the buffet table not even the Bradford Bulls
I have seen for myself the reason the RFL are so fond of their meetings. Its the buffet that accompanies them. Just look at the size of Nigel Wood, its obvious The more meeting the more Eatings. Nothing gets in the way of Mr Wood and the the buffet table not even the Bradford Bulls bradfordbronco
  • Score: 7

2:16am Tue 4 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

Have said in previous posts RFL not fit for purpose, and this just proves it.
Time for Superleague to take control.
Should have been enquiry first time round, perhaps administrator under his legal obligation to report on directors can comment on interference from RFL.
Wood ran Halifax into ground before moving to RFL where it appears he's doing the same to our great game.
Have said in previous posts RFL not fit for purpose, and this just proves it. Time for Superleague to take control. Should have been enquiry first time round, perhaps administrator under his legal obligation to report on directors can comment on interference from RFL. Wood ran Halifax into ground before moving to RFL where it appears he's doing the same to our great game. portugalbull
  • Score: 7

7:12am Tue 4 Mar 14

Sheffieldbull says...

Adeybull wrote:
I beleive Sheff was repeating verbatim an article in one of the RL papers?
Indeed I was Adey, with the sole purpose of adding some ‘meat to the bones’ of claims made by the outgoing Directors.
I posted my own thoughts on the subject a little earlier and I apologise if this came across as my own ‘take on the matter’.
[quote][p][bold]Adeybull[/bold] wrote: I beleive Sheff was repeating verbatim an article in one of the RL papers?[/p][/quote]Indeed I was Adey, with the sole purpose of adding some ‘meat to the bones’ of claims made by the outgoing Directors. I posted my own thoughts on the subject a little earlier and I apologise if this came across as my own ‘take on the matter’. Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 6

7:35am Tue 4 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

Bulls take Liam Sutcliffe on loan. Looks like Leeds are helping us and their mate FC out. Warrington, Saints, Widnes have publically supported us in the past, lets hope the RFL can see these others clubs don't want us discriminated against and the competition weakened.

We should be able to get Addy back at loose forward now to strengthen the pack
Bulls take Liam Sutcliffe on loan. Looks like Leeds are helping us and their mate FC out. Warrington, Saints, Widnes have publically supported us in the past, lets hope the RFL can see these others clubs don't want us discriminated against and the competition weakened. We should be able to get Addy back at loose forward now to strengthen the pack bradfordbronco
  • Score: 6

7:47am Tue 4 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

portugalbull wrote:
Have said in previous posts RFL not fit for purpose, and this just proves it.
Time for Superleague to take control.
Should have been enquiry first time round, perhaps administrator under his legal obligation to report on directors can comment on interference from RFL.
Wood ran Halifax into ground before moving to RFL where it appears he's doing the same to our great game.
Am I not right in thinking Nigel Wood is also in charge of Superleague ?

If so we could hardly expect an impartial investigation from that quarter.

Agree totally the whole rugby league world needs to know what their governing body has been up to here. In particular how could Rimmer and Solly have been so involved in meetings and no doubt countless emails, in getting it to the point where a deal was done on the evening of the match at Wakefield, only for the ridiculous sanctions to be imposed less than a week later.

I think most people want to know the truth but I am not sure we will get it from Red Hall.

Prepare for another RFL cover up !!
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: Have said in previous posts RFL not fit for purpose, and this just proves it. Time for Superleague to take control. Should have been enquiry first time round, perhaps administrator under his legal obligation to report on directors can comment on interference from RFL. Wood ran Halifax into ground before moving to RFL where it appears he's doing the same to our great game.[/p][/quote]Am I not right in thinking Nigel Wood is also in charge of Superleague ? If so we could hardly expect an impartial investigation from that quarter. Agree totally the whole rugby league world needs to know what their governing body has been up to here. In particular how could Rimmer and Solly have been so involved in meetings and no doubt countless emails, in getting it to the point where a deal was done on the evening of the match at Wakefield, only for the ridiculous sanctions to be imposed less than a week later. I think most people want to know the truth but I am not sure we will get it from Red Hall. Prepare for another RFL cover up !! Sad bull
  • Score: 6

7:57am Tue 4 Mar 14

Sheffieldbull says...

We should give thanks to the Rhino’s for letting one of their brightest young prospects (Liam Sutcliffe) come to us on a month’s loan. Excellent cover for us in our hour(s) of need.
We should give thanks to the Rhino’s for letting one of their brightest young prospects (Liam Sutcliffe) come to us on a month’s loan. Excellent cover for us in our hour(s) of need. Sheffieldbull
  • Score: 7

8:45am Tue 4 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are
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THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL.

Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division.

On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying.
As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.

Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club.

Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation.

An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan.

IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories.

The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight.

Among their allegations and revelations are that:
+ Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly;
+ The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million;
+ That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less;
+ That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points;
+ Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars.
Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL.
“With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions.
“We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally!
“We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.”

Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.”
Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up.
“But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.”
MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat.
Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club.
Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore.

They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates.
On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board.
They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club.
On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season.
By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014.
The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead.
“We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.”
Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”.
ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business.
In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time.
Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC.

THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat.
“The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.”
Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event.
Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn.
“People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
Excellent Sheffield bull it's all starting to unravel for the RFL isn't it, I've been so tempted to respond to people on here who have slated Moore etc without knowing the full truth I hope those people will now apologise for what they have spouted but I doubt it.i also think it's funny how the RFL won't publicly apologise for comments made last week about Moore etc but will only speak through lawyers !!!! Spineless b#stards everyone of them at RFL.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.[/p][/quote]Excellent Sheffield bull it's all starting to unravel for the RFL isn't it, I've been so tempted to respond to people on here who have slated Moore etc without knowing the full truth I hope those people will now apologise for what they have spouted but I doubt it.i also think it's funny how the RFL won't publicly apologise for comments made last week about Moore etc but will only speak through lawyers !!!! Spineless b#stards everyone of them at RFL. Claytonbull
  • Score: 7

8:55am Tue 4 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

Like I said yesterday more to come things are starting to unravel and things are coming to light about what was said and by who, will we ever no the whole truth I hope Moore etc publish everything out in the open I no I would when I'd taken as much stick as they have. Anybody with any common sense should realise there's a not so hidden agenda by the RFL you could see that by Robys display on Sunday alone. I hope the RFL are exposed as the liars they are and all made to resign and it brings the whole establishment crashing down.
Like I said yesterday more to come things are starting to unravel and things are coming to light about what was said and by who, will we ever no the whole truth I hope Moore etc publish everything out in the open I no I would when I'd taken as much stick as they have. Anybody with any common sense should realise there's a not so hidden agenda by the RFL you could see that by Robys display on Sunday alone. I hope the RFL are exposed as the liars they are and all made to resign and it brings the whole establishment crashing down. Claytonbull
  • Score: 4

9:14am Tue 4 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

If the bulls do get relegated or even fold altogether I suggest every bulls fan rings up and cancels sky tv if 5 to 7000 people rang up on the same day and cancelled there subs to sky and told them the same reason I reckon someone would sit up and take notice.hit em where it hurts I say c'mon you bulls survive this n shove it in there faces .
If the bulls do get relegated or even fold altogether I suggest every bulls fan rings up and cancels sky tv if 5 to 7000 people rang up on the same day and cancelled there subs to sky and told them the same reason I reckon someone would sit up and take notice.hit em where it hurts I say c'mon you bulls survive this n shove it in there faces . Claytonbull
  • Score: 2

9:50am Tue 4 Mar 14

Andybulls says...

Very Interesting article from SheffieldBull. We have to accept that the directors of the club have put us in this position not the RFL. However it appears the RFL are talking with forked tongue every time they say anything. I don't know the credentials and experience of Rimmer, Wood and Solly but it is apparent from the outcome of the meetings that they are not performing as expected. I think there is an hidden agenda and I think it is that the Bulls are one of the 2 teams to be relegated this year, unless Dr Koukash has a rich brother we are stuffed. Let's accept we will go down, move from Odsal to Valley Parade and leave the mill stone around the RFL's neck. What can they do with Odsal?
Very Interesting article from SheffieldBull. We have to accept that the directors of the club have put us in this position not the RFL. However it appears the RFL are talking with forked tongue every time they say anything. I don't know the credentials and experience of Rimmer, Wood and Solly but it is apparent from the outcome of the meetings that they are not performing as expected. I think there is an hidden agenda and I think it is that the Bulls are one of the 2 teams to be relegated this year, unless Dr Koukash has a rich brother we are stuffed. Let's accept we will go down, move from Odsal to Valley Parade and leave the mill stone around the RFL's neck. What can they do with Odsal? Andybulls
  • Score: 2

10:02am Tue 4 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Clayton,
How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm
ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.
Clayton, How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 6

11:04am Tue 4 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Clayton,
How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm

ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.
I hope Moore etc do take them to court but I doubt it will get that far cos they won't want there dirty laundry washed out in public so an out of court settlement with a hush hush agreement will come next but I hope Moore etc tell em to get stuffed and get it all out in the open. People have said on here that people are just trying to make a fast buck but anyone with an ounce of common would realise you ain't guna make any money out if the bulls for years. But when moores wife is washing up in the kitchen to help the bulls that's all you need to know really. How many people on here would have done that not many I guess. Think it's time we all stood up together, got behind the club and show the w$nkers at red hall we ain't going anyway without a mighty scrap on there hands .
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Clayton, How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.[/p][/quote]I hope Moore etc do take them to court but I doubt it will get that far cos they won't want there dirty laundry washed out in public so an out of court settlement with a hush hush agreement will come next but I hope Moore etc tell em to get stuffed and get it all out in the open. People have said on here that people are just trying to make a fast buck but anyone with an ounce of common would realise you ain't guna make any money out if the bulls for years. But when moores wife is washing up in the kitchen to help the bulls that's all you need to know really. How many people on here would have done that not many I guess. Think it's time we all stood up together, got behind the club and show the w$nkers at red hall we ain't going anyway without a mighty scrap on there hands . Claytonbull
  • Score: 9

11:26am Tue 4 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

Claytonbull wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Clayton,
How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm


ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.
I hope Moore etc do take them to court but I doubt it will get that far cos they won't want there dirty laundry washed out in public so an out of court settlement with a hush hush agreement will come next but I hope Moore etc tell em to get stuffed and get it all out in the open. People have said on here that people are just trying to make a fast buck but anyone with an ounce of common would realise you ain't guna make any money out if the bulls for years. But when moores wife is washing up in the kitchen to help the bulls that's all you need to know really. How many people on here would have done that not many I guess. Think it's time we all stood up together, got behind the club and show the w$nkers at red hall we ain't going anyway without a mighty scrap on there hands .
As stated in the two rugby league papers yesterday, Moore, Calvert and Watt and their families ( Watt's wife alone " 40 hours to put on a function last weekend " ) have put hundreds of hours in over the last 5 months. Not because they wanted anything, apart maybe, from being instrumental in saving the Bulls.

Whoever we get next almost certainly won't have that kind of commitment as the ones touted thus far having nothing to do with rugby league, let alone our precious club.
[quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Clayton, How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.[/p][/quote]I hope Moore etc do take them to court but I doubt it will get that far cos they won't want there dirty laundry washed out in public so an out of court settlement with a hush hush agreement will come next but I hope Moore etc tell em to get stuffed and get it all out in the open. People have said on here that people are just trying to make a fast buck but anyone with an ounce of common would realise you ain't guna make any money out if the bulls for years. But when moores wife is washing up in the kitchen to help the bulls that's all you need to know really. How many people on here would have done that not many I guess. Think it's time we all stood up together, got behind the club and show the w$nkers at red hall we ain't going anyway without a mighty scrap on there hands .[/p][/quote]As stated in the two rugby league papers yesterday, Moore, Calvert and Watt and their families ( Watt's wife alone " 40 hours to put on a function last weekend " ) have put hundreds of hours in over the last 5 months. Not because they wanted anything, apart maybe, from being instrumental in saving the Bulls. Whoever we get next almost certainly won't have that kind of commitment as the ones touted thus far having nothing to do with rugby league, let alone our precious club. Sad bull
  • Score: 4

11:44am Tue 4 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

To answer one or two people on the post! Nigel Wood is CEO of the RFL and Super League Europe. Which of course means he would have to sack himself from either position, a most unusual business proposition for a company that is limited by guarantee..Who will guarantee this democracy they keep telling us about at Red Hall? It's a shame when Democracy becomes the enemy of progress and of Democracy itself.

To also clear up another snippet I read from Blake Solly, in mitigation presumably! The gist being( because I haven't this info. to hand at moment.)
Was:
All clubs in administration are in effect in special measures so no difference to the Bulls.....?

Maybe though this accurate piece of info. from an article in the paper about what was stated to the previous board of directors may well put a different slant on their damage limitation statements?

Quote:

"It was at that point the directors were told the Bulls would be placed in ‘special measures’, preventing the club from making any new signings, if Bradford Bulls 2014 had followed through its bid to buy the club."

Unquote:

The key statement being "If BB2014 had followed through it's bid to buy the club"

Whether this was said in that context I don't know, but if it was it does explain the knee jerk comment from MM that relegation was certain, if they didn't resign!. If you cannot trust the people involved any more, how could you trust them to help the Club, unless under their terms, which you now mistrust??
To answer one or two people on the post! Nigel Wood is CEO of the RFL and Super League Europe. Which of course means he would have to sack himself from either position, a most unusual business proposition for a company that is limited by guarantee..Who will guarantee this democracy they keep telling us about at Red Hall? It's a shame when Democracy becomes the enemy of progress and of Democracy itself. To also clear up another snippet I read from Blake Solly, in mitigation presumably! The gist being( because I haven't this info. to hand at moment.) Was: All clubs in administration are in effect in special measures so no difference to the Bulls.....? Maybe though this accurate piece of info. from an article in the paper about what was stated to the previous board of directors may well put a different slant on their damage limitation statements? Quote: "It was at that point the directors were told the Bulls would be placed in ‘special measures’, preventing the club from making any new signings, if Bradford Bulls 2014 had followed through its bid to buy the club." Unquote: The key statement being "If BB2014 had followed through it's bid to buy the club" Whether this was said in that context I don't know, but if it was it does explain the knee jerk comment from MM that relegation was certain, if they didn't resign!. If you cannot trust the people involved any more, how could you trust them to help the Club, unless under their terms, which you now mistrust?? raisemeup
  • Score: 5

12:03pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Andy2010 says...

Claytonbull wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are
.

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THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL.

Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division.

On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying.
As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.

Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club.

Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation.

An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan.

IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories.

The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight.

Among their allegations and revelations are that:
+ Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly;
+ The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million;
+ That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less;
+ That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points;
+ Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars.
Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL.
“With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions.
“We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally!
“We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.”

Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.”
Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up.
“But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.”
MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat.
Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club.
Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore.

They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates.
On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board.
They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club.
On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season.
By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014.
The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead.
“We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.”
Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”.
ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business.
In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time.
Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC.

THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat.
“The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.”
Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event.
Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn.
“People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
Excellent Sheffield bull it's all starting to unravel for the RFL isn't it, I've been so tempted to respond to people on here who have slated Moore etc without knowing the full truth I hope those people will now apologise for what they have spouted but I doubt it.i also think it's funny how the RFL won't publicly apologise for comments made last week about Moore etc but will only speak through lawyers !!!! Spineless b#stards everyone of them at RFL.
The truth?

I love how some posters here are now blaming the RFL for everything when in essence the Bull were treated as a pet vanity project by Moore and Calvert

These two single handed "bullied" creditors into continuing credit terms and apart from time invested zero into the Bulls.

Still though its easier to blame the RFL isnt it

God some people post some rubbish here @claytonbull
[quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.[/p][/quote]Excellent Sheffield bull it's all starting to unravel for the RFL isn't it, I've been so tempted to respond to people on here who have slated Moore etc without knowing the full truth I hope those people will now apologise for what they have spouted but I doubt it.i also think it's funny how the RFL won't publicly apologise for comments made last week about Moore etc but will only speak through lawyers !!!! Spineless b#stards everyone of them at RFL.[/p][/quote]The truth? I love how some posters here are now blaming the RFL for everything when in essence the Bull were treated as a pet vanity project by Moore and Calvert These two single handed "bullied" creditors into continuing credit terms and apart from time invested zero into the Bulls. Still though its easier to blame the RFL isnt it God some people post some rubbish here @claytonbull Andy2010
  • Score: -8

12:14pm Tue 4 Mar 14

billybobbull says...

Sad bull wrote:
Claytonbull wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Clayton,
How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm



ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.
I hope Moore etc do take them to court but I doubt it will get that far cos they won't want there dirty laundry washed out in public so an out of court settlement with a hush hush agreement will come next but I hope Moore etc tell em to get stuffed and get it all out in the open. People have said on here that people are just trying to make a fast buck but anyone with an ounce of common would realise you ain't guna make any money out if the bulls for years. But when moores wife is washing up in the kitchen to help the bulls that's all you need to know really. How many people on here would have done that not many I guess. Think it's time we all stood up together, got behind the club and show the w$nkers at red hall we ain't going anyway without a mighty scrap on there hands .
As stated in the two rugby league papers yesterday, Moore, Calvert and Watt and their families ( Watt's wife alone " 40 hours to put on a function last weekend " ) have put hundreds of hours in over the last 5 months. Not because they wanted anything, apart maybe, from being instrumental in saving the Bulls.

Whoever we get next almost certainly won't have that kind of commitment as the ones touted thus far having nothing to do with rugby league, let alone our precious club.
I agree with your last sentence, to a certain extent but what we really want and need someone whose wife is NOT working 40 hours.....we want and need someone who can afford to pay other experienced people to work 40 hours. Running this business needs big money (in RL terms) not small town hard-workers. That's the staff's job.
We need big(ger) money, strategic business planning and business contacts outside of the city. It is clear Bradford cannot sustain or provide a local owner. Tried that...doesn't work or happen.
I too am from Clayton (originally) and would love to think a Bradford business could do it....but it ain't happening and is unlikely to do so. We need a bigger picture.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Clayton, How many times on these forums have I agreed with the likes of you and said that the folk at Red Hall are useless ,spineless amateurs who have not got a clue about running a business .Where was Wood before R.L. Halifax,almost went to the wall,Where was Rimmer,Sheffield,alm ost went to the wall,then Huddersfield,almost went to the wall,saved by Ken Davy.Solly,do not know much about him although seems like he could not find work in Australia.That in my opinion speaks volumes for them all.I firmly believe there has been a hidden agenda against Northern/ Bulls since the infamous walk off at Hull K.R. many years ago.These people now at Red Hall should be removed from office as soon as possible before any more damage is done to the game.It is quite obvious the way that other Super League clubs are quite willing to support the Bulls in any way they can.They can quite obviously see that the R.L. are doing their utmost to get rid of the club.There is definitely a hidden agenda here.I sincerely hope that Mr.Moore has the financial clout to take this matter to court and let us all see what actually,Wood,Solly and Rimmer had cooked up.[/p][/quote]I hope Moore etc do take them to court but I doubt it will get that far cos they won't want there dirty laundry washed out in public so an out of court settlement with a hush hush agreement will come next but I hope Moore etc tell em to get stuffed and get it all out in the open. People have said on here that people are just trying to make a fast buck but anyone with an ounce of common would realise you ain't guna make any money out if the bulls for years. But when moores wife is washing up in the kitchen to help the bulls that's all you need to know really. How many people on here would have done that not many I guess. Think it's time we all stood up together, got behind the club and show the w$nkers at red hall we ain't going anyway without a mighty scrap on there hands .[/p][/quote]As stated in the two rugby league papers yesterday, Moore, Calvert and Watt and their families ( Watt's wife alone " 40 hours to put on a function last weekend " ) have put hundreds of hours in over the last 5 months. Not because they wanted anything, apart maybe, from being instrumental in saving the Bulls. Whoever we get next almost certainly won't have that kind of commitment as the ones touted thus far having nothing to do with rugby league, let alone our precious club.[/p][/quote]I agree with your last sentence, to a certain extent but what we really want and need someone whose wife is NOT working 40 hours.....we want and need someone who can afford to pay other experienced people to work 40 hours. Running this business needs big money (in RL terms) not small town hard-workers. That's the staff's job. We need big(ger) money, strategic business planning and business contacts outside of the city. It is clear Bradford cannot sustain or provide a local owner. Tried that...doesn't work or happen. I too am from Clayton (originally) and would love to think a Bradford business could do it....but it ain't happening and is unlikely to do so. We need a bigger picture. billybobbull
  • Score: 1

12:27pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Eddie Tees says...

Well Tank, I used to respect you as a rugby man, and, a Bradford lad (not a Bradford fan!). You and your pals are like a bunch of swans! All clam on the serface and paddling like mad under the water.Back tracking, shiffting the blame and whatever else you are up to in the guise of helping!
I said it last week, as long as we continue to help London then the game will be okay! Yeah, right!
Strength through adversity - we'll show 'em! COYB!
Well Tank, I used to respect you as a rugby man, and, a Bradford lad (not a Bradford fan!). You and your pals are like a bunch of swans! All clam on the serface and paddling like mad under the water.Back tracking, shiffting the blame and whatever else you are up to in the guise of helping! I said it last week, as long as we continue to help London then the game will be okay! Yeah, right! Strength through adversity - we'll show 'em! COYB! Eddie Tees
  • Score: 2

1:03pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Claytonbull says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Claytonbull wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are
.

.

THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL.

Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division.

On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying.
As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats.

Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club.

Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation.

An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan.

IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories.

The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight.

Among their allegations and revelations are that:
+ Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly;
+ The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million;
+ That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less;
+ That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points;
+ Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars.
Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL.
“With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions.
“We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally!
“We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.”

Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.”
Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up.
“But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.”
MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat.
Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club.
Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore.

They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates.
On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board.
They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club.
On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season.
By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014.
The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead.
“We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.”
Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”.
ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business.
In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time.
Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC.

THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat.
“The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.”
Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event.
Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn.
“People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
Excellent Sheffield bull it's all starting to unravel for the RFL isn't it, I've been so tempted to respond to people on here who have slated Moore etc without knowing the full truth I hope those people will now apologise for what they have spouted but I doubt it.i also think it's funny how the RFL won't publicly apologise for comments made last week about Moore etc but will only speak through lawyers !!!! Spineless b#stards everyone of them at RFL.
The truth?

I love how some posters here are now blaming the RFL for everything when in essence the Bull were treated as a pet vanity project by Moore and Calvert

These two single handed "bullied" creditors into continuing credit terms and apart from time invested zero into the Bulls.

Still though its easier to blame the RFL isnt it

God some people post some rubbish here @claytonbull
Andy2010 can you not read they wanted to invest in the club they were just not willing to buy out ok and his debts that he had run up. So if you bought a house you would pay the last tenent debts they ran up would you !!!!. Didn't think so ?? Also I'm not entirely blaming RFL the bulls got into this mess in the first place but surely the governing body is there to help not hinder at every turn. Do you think it's a coincidence that every other super league club Is now receiving £65000 more that should be going to the bulls then when 2 clubs get relegated less clubs more money to share out and they decide to do all this this year ??? They didn't do it when bulls were on top did they ???
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Claytonbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.[/p][/quote]Excellent Sheffield bull it's all starting to unravel for the RFL isn't it, I've been so tempted to respond to people on here who have slated Moore etc without knowing the full truth I hope those people will now apologise for what they have spouted but I doubt it.i also think it's funny how the RFL won't publicly apologise for comments made last week about Moore etc but will only speak through lawyers !!!! Spineless b#stards everyone of them at RFL.[/p][/quote]The truth? I love how some posters here are now blaming the RFL for everything when in essence the Bull were treated as a pet vanity project by Moore and Calvert These two single handed "bullied" creditors into continuing credit terms and apart from time invested zero into the Bulls. Still though its easier to blame the RFL isnt it God some people post some rubbish here @claytonbull[/p][/quote]Andy2010 can you not read they wanted to invest in the club they were just not willing to buy out ok and his debts that he had run up. So if you bought a house you would pay the last tenent debts they ran up would you !!!!. Didn't think so ?? Also I'm not entirely blaming RFL the bulls got into this mess in the first place but surely the governing body is there to help not hinder at every turn. Do you think it's a coincidence that every other super league club Is now receiving £65000 more that should be going to the bulls then when 2 clubs get relegated less clubs more money to share out and they decide to do all this this year ??? They didn't do it when bulls were on top did they ??? Claytonbull
  • Score: 3

1:22pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Savethebulls says...

I suggest the rugby league press convene a Question Time type event and put in a room
*The owners prior to Ok Bulls (who seem to be quietly getting away with responsibility for current events)
* Khan/Sutcliffe
*Moore/Calvert/Whitc
ut
*The fat cats from Red Hall

and allow each to put across their position and then be questioned by each other , potential owners and more importantly the fans about the events of the last 2 years.
I know it won't happen( as most have skeletons to hide in various cupboards) but it would help to give a clear picture of what has happened and is happening to this once great and proud club ! Those that refuse the offer - let them be judged by their refusals!
I suggest the rugby league press convene a Question Time type event and put in a room *The owners prior to Ok Bulls (who seem to be quietly getting away with responsibility for current events) * Khan/Sutcliffe *Moore/Calvert/Whitc ut *The fat cats from Red Hall and allow each to put across their position and then be questioned by each other , potential owners and more importantly the fans about the events of the last 2 years. I know it won't happen( as most have skeletons to hide in various cupboards) but it would help to give a clear picture of what has happened and is happening to this once great and proud club ! Those that refuse the offer - let them be judged by their refusals! Savethebulls
  • Score: 2

3:18pm Tue 4 Mar 14

axelf1963 says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
Boring, I went to sleep after first paragraph.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.[/p][/quote]Boring, I went to sleep after first paragraph. axelf1963
  • Score: -6

5:56pm Tue 4 Mar 14

bradfordbronco says...

axelf1963 wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.
Boring, I went to sleep after first paragraph.
You should know what boring is aren't you the one constanly asks where Viking is? Not surprised your're not interested in the truth though.
[quote][p][bold]axelf1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: No doubt this will be removed and me banned but here you are . . THE crisis-hit Bradford Bulls drama took yet another unexpected twist last week when the three directors of the club withdrew their interest, following news of ‘draconian’ penalties being imposed by the RFL. Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt felt they had no option but to walk away from the beleaguered Super League club after being hit with the maximum six point penalty deduction as well as being put in ‘special measures’, effectively meaning they could sign no new players this season, as they battled to stay in the top division. On Tuesday Moore led a scathing attack on the RFL which was met with a vigorous response by Chief Operating Officer Ralph Rimmer (see right). As a result of that, the three men have started legal proceedings for defamation, claiming Rimmer is effectively accusing them of lying. As coach Francis Cummins tried to keep his squad focussed on the visit of fellow basement strugglers London, news emerged that prop Nick Scruton was departing for Wakefield Trinity Wildcats. Moore, Calvert and Watt along with fellow director Robbie Hunter-Paul put yesterday’s game on but the three investors say that was their last action on behalf of the club. Administrator David Wilson was due to meet RFL officials at 8.30am today (Monday) to discuss the situation. An RFL spokesman indicated that there had been two more “expressions of interest” in the Bulls as recently as Thursday and Friday, on top of the three that had already been submitted, those interested parties being Bradford Park Avenue Football Club, London-based businessman Richard Lamb and – reportedly – renewed interest from Omar Khan. IT WAS the fairytale romance, the dream marriage that has hit the rocks before the wedding register has even been signed. And it is turning into as bitter as any acrimonious divorce, with lawyers hovering on all fronts. It appears there will be no happy ever after for Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert, Ian Watt and their hopes to restore the Bradford Bulls to the club’s former glories. The three men who have poured all their energies – and significant amounts of money – into trying to salvage the Bulls over the past five months have launched a blistering attack on the way the RFL has treated them, and spoken out to set the record straight. Among their allegations and revelations are that: + Rival Bulls bidder Richard Lamb told them in advance they would be docked six points by the RFL, claiming he had been told that by RFL Director of Compliance Blake Solly; + The true level of debt they inherited from Omar Khan and OK Bulls Ltd was almost £1.5 million; + That they had pledged to pay back all creditors except Omar Khan in five years or less; + That they were led to believe by Blake Solly and Ralph Rimmer that their rescue plan met the approval of the RFL, with a suggestion initially they would receive no points deduction, and even after the club went into administration that it wouldn’t be worse than four points; + Defamation proceedings have been started against the RFL following comments by Ralph Rimmer last week which they say implies they are liars. Mark Moore also insisted: “Can we reassure fans that we have not walked away because of the six point penalty, as has been widely portrayed. It was because of the incompetence of the RFL and the dirty tricks of the RFL. “With the points deduction, the special measures, the financial penalties, basically we were going from being Omar Khan’s minions to the RFL’s minions. “We couldn’t get any new players – and in addition they wanted us to put our houses up as guarantees. If we weren’t in Super League next year they would come after us personally! “We have every faith in Francis Cummins and that group of players that they can overcome the points deficit. This is about much more than that.” Ian Watt said of the penalty: “I think they (the RFL) expected us to roll over and take it.” Moore said: “We have tried to negotiate with them and suggested going to an independent tribunal which they indicated was possible and would take seven to 10 days to set up. “But when we asked how independent it would be, we were told the RFL would put the panel together – and then Ralph Rimmer asked what we wanted a tribunal for? We knew the writing was on the wall.” MARK MOORE and Andrew Calvert came on board last year as Omar Khan looked for 14 investors to contribute £50,000 each to keep the Bulls afloat. Once the Asian restaurateur walked away through ‘ill health’ Moore, first with Ryan Whitcut and then later with Calvert and Watt, threw himself into trying to save the club. Eventually, as they kept discovering new black holes of debt and Omar Khan kept moving the goalposts in terms of selling his shares to the men, they resigned. “We couldn’t operate within a structure in which we had no power to make decisions with Omar able to just come in and just sack us if he wanted,” said Moore. They agreed to keep the club running temporarily as the RFL tried to find a long-term solution. A big blow to their ambitions, and which ultimately forced the club into administration, was discovery of a £150,000 loan Ryan Whitcut had taken out, at punitive interest rates. On January 23rd they had a meeting with Solly and Rimmer at which they are adamant that they were told that if they met all the creditors no points would be deducted, but that the decision would have to be ratified by the RFL Board. They also said that as part of that process they were given only temporary permission to operate the club – for 28 days – so that the RFL ‘could go through the motions’ of looking for a better offer for the club. On February 7th they presented the RFL with a business plan which showed them requiring a £500,000 advance on next year’s tv money in order to get through this season. By Thursday February 20th, the day before the RFL board decided their penalties, and with progress being made on a range of both cost cutting and new sponsorship deals, they had updated that projection to just a £100,000 shortfall for 2014. The men said they went back to see the RFL last Monday hoping for the go-ahead. “We went in with our plans and they weren’t interested,” said Watt. Calvert added: “Nigel Wood said he had only seen our cash flow (forecast) 20 minutes earlier.” Moore said there wasn’t even an agenda for the meeting. The men described it as being a situation where the RFL Chief Executive was “the bully” and Blake Solly “the executioner”. ONE of the sticking points between the Bulls directors and the RFL has been a debt of around £170,000 to HMRC. Although they said they were willing to meet that debt, they have been told – by the RFL, not HMRC – that unless all creditors are paid in full, HMRC will not accept payment by a new business. In addition the RFL says the tax authorities are now insisting that whoever comes into take over the business must have a six figure bond, owing to the business having failed twice in such a short period of time. Moore, Watt and Calvert say they have not even had the chance to have that conversation with HMRC. THE THREE men say not only themselves, but their families have paid a massive price over the past five months, trying to keep the Bulls afloat. “The fact is,” said Andrew Calvert, “that this has only ever been about the survival of the Bulls. We’ve always said that if a Roman Abramovich figure came in we would happily step aside.” Moore added: “I was even chairing meetings for the two prospective buyers (Bradford Park Avenue and Richard Lamb) because that was when Richard Lamb told us he already knew that we’d be deducted six points.” Last weekend alone Ian Watt’s wife spent 40 hours at Odsal helping to stage an event. Andrew Calvert said: “We’re speaking out because people need to understand about the governance of Rugby League and people have to know the RFL will say one thing in private and another thing in public, not just about the Bradford Bulls. We’ve been the victims of a stunning about turn. “People have to know because this could happen to Wakefield, London, Widnes – anyone.[/p][/quote]Boring, I went to sleep after first paragraph.[/p][/quote]You should know what boring is aren't you the one constanly asks where Viking is? Not surprised your're not interested in the truth though. bradfordbronco
  • Score: 2

8:19pm Tue 4 Mar 14

nosher says...

Nigel wood was a fantastic pub landlord and at that time a Bradford northern fan. The after time sessions in the sportsman were legendary lol
Nigel wood was a fantastic pub landlord and at that time a Bradford northern fan. The after time sessions in the sportsman were legendary lol nosher
  • Score: -14

8:43pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

So it's still all the RFL's fault.
Those nasty men at Red Hall forcing the Bulls to spend beyond their means for years on end.
So it's still all the RFL's fault. Those nasty men at Red Hall forcing the Bulls to spend beyond their means for years on end. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -7

8:59pm Tue 4 Mar 14

property man says...

sheffieldbull well done old chap, I am party to loads of inside knowledge and you my man have hit the nail right on the head,Mr Moore and his dedicated team along with their famalies have put thousands of pounds into the Bulls because they love the team,the players etc, the amount of UNPAID hours they have put in to try bring extra revenue for the club is quite astonishing, all 3 of them their wives etc etc, and what did they get from the so called bulls fans nothing but grief and very nasty comments so you so called fans,like you were told a few days ago your club was shafted big style by the "ill" **** restaurant owner and his little puppit Whitmore, loans against the club whats all that about, then came the knobs at the RFL, they have moved the goal posts so many times for Mark and co lies lies and more lies, and they will continue to do so which club is next, why don't you guys all pull together and get these fat useless slugs out of office at the RFL, get them out all they want to do is feed their bellies, play the highlife, the big men you need rid of this cancer scum, these are the toilets who are killing your club and your sport,so do something positive stop complaining about the past and get rid of those in command at the RFL
sheffieldbull well done old chap, I am party to loads of inside knowledge and you my man have hit the nail right on the head,Mr Moore and his dedicated team along with their famalies have put thousands of pounds into the Bulls because they love the team,the players etc, the amount of UNPAID hours they have put in to try bring extra revenue for the club is quite astonishing, all 3 of them their wives etc etc, and what did they get from the so called bulls fans nothing but grief and very nasty comments so you so called fans,like you were told a few days ago your club was shafted big style by the "ill" **** restaurant owner and his little puppit Whitmore, loans against the club whats all that about, then came the knobs at the RFL, they have moved the goal posts so many times for Mark and co lies lies and more lies, and they will continue to do so which club is next, why don't you guys all pull together and get these fat useless slugs out of office at the RFL, get them out all they want to do is feed their bellies, play the highlife, the big men you need rid of this cancer scum, these are the toilets who are killing your club and your sport,so do something positive stop complaining about the past and get rid of those in command at the RFL property man
  • Score: 1

9:01pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Inki60 says...

Some of these comments actually sound like people are getting to know the whole story I hope they do I would love to put the people straight who are constantly criticising mark and co but I can't as yet but when it's all finished sorted legally I will have my say 😈
Some of these comments actually sound like people are getting to know the whole story I hope they do I would love to put the people straight who are constantly criticising mark and co but I can't as yet but when it's all finished sorted legally I will have my say 😈 Inki60
  • Score: 2

9:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

What a load of paranoid waffle from the usual lot. The sooner your shabby little outfit snuffs it the better, sod off.
What a load of paranoid waffle from the usual lot. The sooner your shabby little outfit snuffs it the better, sod off. Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: -7

9:32pm Tue 4 Mar 14

nosher says...

Alhaurinrhino wrote:
What a load of paranoid waffle from the usual lot. The sooner your shabby little outfit snuffs it the better, sod off.
In this case I agree with you. Some of the stuff in this thread are very boring. I am a life long Bradford fan. IT IS NOT THE RLF AT FAILT for this shambles. Just let's wait and see what develops
. what will be will be. COYB
[quote][p][bold]Alhaurinrhino[/bold] wrote: What a load of paranoid waffle from the usual lot. The sooner your shabby little outfit snuffs it the better, sod off.[/p][/quote]In this case I agree with you. Some of the stuff in this thread are very boring. I am a life long Bradford fan. IT IS NOT THE RLF AT FAILT for this shambles. Just let's wait and see what develops . what will be will be. COYB nosher
  • Score: -3

8:10am Wed 5 Mar 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Rhino,
Brian McDermott nor Gary Hetherington agree with you.By the way they are the Coach and C.E.O at Headingley.Just thought I would let you know who run your team.Now get back to your sunbed.
Rhino, Brian McDermott nor Gary Hetherington agree with you.By the way they are the Coach and C.E.O at Headingley.Just thought I would let you know who run your team.Now get back to your sunbed. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 2

12:34pm Wed 5 Mar 14

bartsbull says...

It is time the RL F had a good shake up we need our club to survive and someone with good business knowledge to come in and drag this club back

The players staff and supporters need clarity from the RFL and if there are true investors who have the money to take our club forward please do it soon as i can see more playes going before this mess is sorted out

I do not blame anyone one for looking after there interest but for us to survive this season and stay up we all need to pull together COYB
It is time the RL F had a good shake up we need our club to survive and someone with good business knowledge to come in and drag this club back The players staff and supporters need clarity from the RFL and if there are true investors who have the money to take our club forward please do it soon as i can see more playes going before this mess is sorted out I do not blame anyone one for looking after there interest but for us to survive this season and stay up we all need to pull together COYB bartsbull
  • Score: 1

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