Wakefield Trinity Wildcats poised to nick Scruton from Bradford Bulls

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Nick Scruton could become the third Bulls player to leave the club following their plunge into administration Nick Scruton could become the third Bulls player to leave the club following their plunge into administration

Nick Scruton is poised to follow in the footsteps of Jarrod Sammut by quitting Bradford and joining Wakefield.

The Bulls prop is wanted by the Wildcats, and coach Richard Agar last night said he was hopeful of sealing a deal.

Bradford are currently in the hands of Leeds-based administrator David Wilson, whose firm has held talks with Wakefield chairman Michael Carter about signing Scruton.

The former Leeds man, who enjoyed an impressive renaissance last season which earned him a clutch of player-of-the-year awards, was yesterday named in the Bulls’ 19-man squad to face London Broncos tomorrow.

But, with huge question marks over his future, it remains to be seen whether he will play as Wakefield bid to lure him to the Rapid Solicitors Stadium.

The move would see Scruton become the third player to leave the Bulls since the club entered administration, following the departures of Garreth Carvell and Sammut.

Agar has experienced similar financial problems during his time at Wakefield, including a spell in administration, and was forced to offload players towards the end of last year amid huge cost-cutting measures.

The Wildcats boss told the T&A: “Nick’s a player who, if we could get a deal done, we would be really happy to have on our books.

“I’ve left Michael Carter and the administrator to get on with it, so I won’t speak to Scrutes until a deal gets done.

“It was the same when Jarrod signed – I didn’t speak to him until a deal had been agreed – but I can confirm we are trying to sign Nick.

“Less than six months ago, we were also in very difficult circumstances and we took the necessary steps and measures where a number of clubs benefited.

“We’ve been through the hardship and have come through it, so if any Bradford players become available that we feel could strengthen our squad then we would be interested.”

Scruton, whose wife Alice works at Wakefield in a player welfare role, spoke during pre-season of his contentment at Bradford and how he would consider extending his contract, which expires at the end of this season.

The 29-year-old said in December: “I'd love to stay at Bradford if everything's all right and financially stable.

“The situation is what it is. I'm just going to be going out and training as hard as I possibly can and, come game time, play as hard as I can.

“Contracts don't look after themselves but I can't be thinking about that at the minute.

“I've got family and stuff like that to think of as well - but my first choice would be to stay here because I've loved it here this past six years and I don't really want to move. If that's the best option for me, then I will stay.”

However, that was before the club were placed into administration - a process which has left players and staff fearing for their future.

Bulls chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul said he could not comment on the speculation surrounding Scruton, and the administrator was also unavailable last night.

It is not clear whether Wakefield have offered a fee for Scruton, who joined Bradford from Leeds ahead of the 2009 season.

Bulls coach Francis Cummins said earlier this week that he “could not blame” any of his players for leaving in the current circumstances.

The loss of Scruton would represent another savage blow but Cummins has already used the loan market shrewdly and could bring Ben Evans back to the club and acquire other players on short-term loan deals.

The club was docked six points for entering administration on Tuesday, prompting a walk-out by directors Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt.

Their collapsed attempt to buy the club has left the club in the hands of the administrator and searching for a new owner.

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7:34am Sat 1 Mar 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

If Nick does go and I believe that he will; there should be no one on here that is a true Bulls fan that should do or say anything than thank him for his time and effort at the Club.

Nick and the rest of the players have to put themselves and family first and at the moment the future of the Club is not looking good.

That said I hope he stays as Nick is a top bloke and one of if not our best player.
If Nick does go and I believe that he will; there should be no one on here that is a true Bulls fan that should do or say anything than thank him for his time and effort at the Club. Nick and the rest of the players have to put themselves and family first and at the moment the future of the Club is not looking good. That said I hope he stays as Nick is a top bloke and one of if not our best player. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 31

7:41am Sat 1 Mar 14

silverbantam says...

Rats deserting a sinking ship !
Rats deserting a sinking ship ! silverbantam
  • Score: -32

7:49am Sat 1 Mar 14

monobrow man says...

so the administrator cant talk to prospective buyers till next week but can do deals to sell players, how bent does that sound
so the administrator cant talk to prospective buyers till next week but can do deals to sell players, how bent does that sound monobrow man
  • Score: 22

7:58am Sat 1 Mar 14

BD16 says...

monobrow man wrote:
so the administrator cant talk to prospective buyers till next week but can do deals to sell players, how bent does that sound
The administrator has to raise money or cut costs. Getting a wage off the books does the latter, even better if a fee is received.
[quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: so the administrator cant talk to prospective buyers till next week but can do deals to sell players, how bent does that sound[/p][/quote]The administrator has to raise money or cut costs. Getting a wage off the books does the latter, even better if a fee is received. BD16
  • Score: 9

8:02am Sat 1 Mar 14

Bigal70 says...

I have no issue with Scruton at all about this. He has to do what is best for him and his family. What really irks me is that the RFL seem hell bent on screwing the Bulls but let apparent illegal approaches for our players go unpunished. .
I have no issue with Scruton at all about this. He has to do what is best for him and his family. What really irks me is that the RFL seem hell bent on screwing the Bulls but let apparent illegal approaches for our players go unpunished. . Bigal70
  • Score: 4

8:13am Sat 1 Mar 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

BD16 wrote:
monobrow man wrote:
so the administrator cant talk to prospective buyers till next week but can do deals to sell players, how bent does that sound
The administrator has to raise money or cut costs. Getting a wage off the books does the latter, even better if a fee is received.
Yes but this will effect the new owners that have bid on the Club as is was on the date of the bid submittal, losing Nick makes a massive difference to the product on offer.

We need a massive show of support on Sunday for any potential new owner that is going to the game and to show the players, the other clubs and the RFL that Bulls may be down but we are not out yet!
[quote][p][bold]BD16[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]monobrow man[/bold] wrote: so the administrator cant talk to prospective buyers till next week but can do deals to sell players, how bent does that sound[/p][/quote]The administrator has to raise money or cut costs. Getting a wage off the books does the latter, even better if a fee is received.[/p][/quote]Yes but this will effect the new owners that have bid on the Club as is was on the date of the bid submittal, losing Nick makes a massive difference to the product on offer. We need a massive show of support on Sunday for any potential new owner that is going to the game and to show the players, the other clubs and the RFL that Bulls may be down but we are not out yet! fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 14

8:14am Sat 1 Mar 14

Bowlingboy says...

The administrator would be spending his time better finding a plausible backer for the club than selling players.
If they sealed a deal with an appropriate buyer next week they wouldn't have to worry about wages.
The administrator would be spending his time better finding a plausible backer for the club than selling players. If they sealed a deal with an appropriate buyer next week they wouldn't have to worry about wages. Bowlingboy
  • Score: 7

8:32am Sat 1 Mar 14

ajohnboy79 says...

Even if we do find a buyer, wipe our debts and come out of this in some kind of good order, how are The Bulls going to compete if 'the vultures' keep stripping our team. I hope the administrators see some sense and don't flog anyone. COYBs
Even if we do find a buyer, wipe our debts and come out of this in some kind of good order, how are The Bulls going to compete if 'the vultures' keep stripping our team. I hope the administrators see some sense and don't flog anyone. COYBs ajohnboy79
  • Score: -1

8:37am Sat 1 Mar 14

-HCK3R- says...

Seems like Agars way of trying to avoid relegation and keeping the fans off his back isn't by winning games but by weakening the Bulls !........wonder what their finances will be like at the end of the season if he fails ?
Seems like Agars way of trying to avoid relegation and keeping the fans off his back isn't by winning games but by weakening the Bulls !........wonder what their finances will be like at the end of the season if he fails ? -HCK3R-
  • Score: 6

8:53am Sat 1 Mar 14

THEMANOFSTEEL says...

I honestly can't see anybody being able afford to take over the club
The debt is ridiculous
Sadly I agree with scrutes
Do what you have to do lad
It's your life and your livelihood
Thank you for being so loyal
Come game time against hull I think it's fair to say it could be all over
I'm praying it's not!!!
COYB
I honestly can't see anybody being able afford to take over the club The debt is ridiculous Sadly I agree with scrutes Do what you have to do lad It's your life and your livelihood Thank you for being so loyal Come game time against hull I think it's fair to say it could be all over I'm praying it's not!!! COYB THEMANOFSTEEL
  • Score: 10

8:56am Sat 1 Mar 14

Ship rock says...

I'll be surprised if bulls don't get dicked points for going back into administration after Moore Calvert etc walked away
I'll be surprised if bulls don't get dicked points for going back into administration after Moore Calvert etc walked away Ship rock
  • Score: 1

8:59am Sat 1 Mar 14

Ackersthebull says...

I bought our season tickets on credit card. What did I pay to see?Is my ticket to see OK Bulls and is it now invalid? I am seriously considering getting my money back from the card company. I will still go but I miss at least 2 games due to holiday. I felt, as I did in 2012, that the club needed money but I wanted to cover myself as I didn't trust the people involved. I still don't.
If this had been done in some sort of semblance of order, i.e. points deducted prior to the season and the best all round offer accepted, then players would feel safer and our main rivals for relegation would not be able to avoid it by stealth
I bought our season tickets on credit card. What did I pay to see?Is my ticket to see OK Bulls and is it now invalid? I am seriously considering getting my money back from the card company. I will still go but I miss at least 2 games due to holiday. I felt, as I did in 2012, that the club needed money but I wanted to cover myself as I didn't trust the people involved. I still don't. If this had been done in some sort of semblance of order, i.e. points deducted prior to the season and the best all round offer accepted, then players would feel safer and our main rivals for relegation would not be able to avoid it by stealth Ackersthebull
  • Score: 6

9:05am Sat 1 Mar 14

Ackersthebull says...

Ship rock wrote:
I'll be surprised if bulls don't get dicked points for going back into administration after Moore Calvert etc walked away
I suppose you meant docked but somehow yours sounds much better;)
[quote][p][bold]Ship rock[/bold] wrote: I'll be surprised if bulls don't get dicked points for going back into administration after Moore Calvert etc walked away[/p][/quote]I suppose you meant docked but somehow yours sounds much better;) Ackersthebull
  • Score: 3

9:31am Sat 1 Mar 14

billybobbull says...

The sad art is that who could blame Scruton if e goes, and also that the Administrator is under a legal obligation to get the best price for the 'club' and potentially its assets. That includes player contracts.
Let's wait until Monday/Tuesday before we panic too much...and Iage with one poster above...DOWN...BUT NOT OUT!!!! A long time to go...
Labor Omnia Vincit
The sad art is that who could blame Scruton if e goes, and also that the Administrator is under a legal obligation to get the best price for the 'club' and potentially its assets. That includes player contracts. Let's wait until Monday/Tuesday before we panic too much...and Iage with one poster above...DOWN...BUT NOT OUT!!!! A long time to go... Labor Omnia Vincit billybobbull
  • Score: 2

10:11am Sat 1 Mar 14

Down_with_the _firm aka Bullsfan says...

“We’ve been through the hardship and have come through it, so if any Bradford players become available that we feel could strengthen our squad then we would be interested.”

What a **** you are agar
“We’ve been through the hardship and have come through it, so if any Bradford players become available that we feel could strengthen our squad then we would be interested.” What a **** you are agar Down_with_the _firm aka Bullsfan
  • Score: 5

10:16am Sat 1 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

Quote from the Wakefield Express, August 2013>

"In an exclusive interview with the Wakefield Express this week, Carter explains how close Trinity came to going into administration and falling out of Super League.
Looking back on the moment in August when he and director Chris Brereton took over at the club, Carter said: “We were half-an-hour from going into administration. Me and Chris were sat there at the point where we had to sign up to get a loan from the RFL and we both thought: ‘Are we going to do this or not?’
“We believed what we could do at the club and we believed that we could take the loan and pay it back over the next 18 months but it was that close.
“Some people think that if we had gone into administration we would have been in the Championship next year. We wouldn’t have been in the Championship, we would have been in Championship One, at best.”

Unquote:

So to set the record straight re our friends at Wakefield, they took the only option available to stave of the Administration brought about by the winding up order from HMRC over the unpaid tax bill of £300 or £400k (not sure of the exact figures) and the countless CCJs reportedly faced by the club, after the collapse of their wealthy sponsor Eric France who went for £8m.
So it actually appears the RFL did help them to stave off admin, if you read the article.
Bulls fans can make up their own minds about some of the cynical ploys that have been coming from the "Camp" in Wakefield, also the RFLs bid to help them stave off Administration in 2013.
Quote from the Wakefield Express, August 2013> "In an exclusive interview with the Wakefield Express this week, Carter explains how close Trinity came to going into administration and falling out of Super League. Looking back on the moment in August when he and director Chris Brereton took over at the club, Carter said: “We were half-an-hour from going into administration. Me and Chris were sat there at the point where we had to sign up to get a loan from the RFL and we both thought: ‘Are we going to do this or not?’ “We believed what we could do at the club and we believed that we could take the loan and pay it back over the next 18 months but it was that close. “Some people think that if we had gone into administration we would have been in the Championship next year. We wouldn’t have been in the Championship, we would have been in Championship One, at best.” Unquote: So to set the record straight re our friends at Wakefield, they took the only option available to stave of the Administration brought about by the winding up order from HMRC over the unpaid tax bill of £300 or £400k (not sure of the exact figures) and the countless CCJs reportedly faced by the club, after the collapse of their wealthy sponsor Eric France who went for £8m. So it actually appears the RFL did help them to stave off admin, if you read the article. Bulls fans can make up their own minds about some of the cynical ploys that have been coming from the "Camp" in Wakefield, also the RFLs bid to help them stave off Administration in 2013. raisemeup
  • Score: 3

10:20am Sat 1 Mar 14

bullybullman says...

Wakey are almost as unstable as us ! they do not have a great fan base & only survive becuase Andrew Glover bailed them out. Dont blame anyone for leaving our disaster of a club but frying pan
& fire spring to mind.
Wakey are almost as unstable as us ! they do not have a great fan base & only survive becuase Andrew Glover bailed them out. Dont blame anyone for leaving our disaster of a club but frying pan & fire spring to mind. bullybullman
  • Score: 3

10:23am Sat 1 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
If Nick does go and I believe that he will; there should be no one on here that is a true Bulls fan that should do or say anything than thank him for his time and effort at the Club.

Nick and the rest of the players have to put themselves and family first and at the moment the future of the Club is not looking good.

That said I hope he stays as Nick is a top bloke and one of if not our best player.
Here, here to that. All our players who have stayed the course and have tried their hardest in the most difficult of times. In fact that statement goes for all those at the Bulls who have stayed loyal in the face of this most sinister attempt to destabilise and ultimately destroy our club and standing in the League.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: If Nick does go and I believe that he will; there should be no one on here that is a true Bulls fan that should do or say anything than thank him for his time and effort at the Club. Nick and the rest of the players have to put themselves and family first and at the moment the future of the Club is not looking good. That said I hope he stays as Nick is a top bloke and one of if not our best player.[/p][/quote]Here, here to that. All our players who have stayed the course and have tried their hardest in the most difficult of times. In fact that statement goes for all those at the Bulls who have stayed loyal in the face of this most sinister attempt to destabilise and ultimately destroy our club and standing in the League. raisemeup
  • Score: 0

10:25am Sat 1 Mar 14

Mickbull4eva says...

Its done signed and sealed
Its done signed and sealed Mickbull4eva
  • Score: 0

10:28am Sat 1 Mar 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Whether or not Wakefield can afford him is irrelevant to Bulls fans. What can be said is at this moment in time, Bulls can't afford him unless someone steps in so the administrator has to keep the club running as long as possible till that happens.
Whether or not Wakefield can afford him is irrelevant to Bulls fans. What can be said is at this moment in time, Bulls can't afford him unless someone steps in so the administrator has to keep the club running as long as possible till that happens. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 4

10:46am Sat 1 Mar 14

raisemeup says...

bullybullman wrote:
Wakey are almost as unstable as us ! they do not have a great fan base & only survive becuase Andrew Glover bailed them out. Dont blame anyone for leaving our disaster of a club but frying pan
& fire spring to mind.
What's this with your Bully Bull Man name, does it mean you are not a Bulls fan as you prefer to Bully the Bulls, rather than support them>
Wakefield were one of the Clubs that complained to the RFL, and publicly at that- that they expected the Bulls to be treated as badly as they said they had been treated when the last Administration was pending against them, I have only proved that they were helped tremendously by the RFL to keep the licence and to keep trading, with as it happens an enhanced £50K per year from our share of the SL pot, and presumably a £300k windfall payment advanced from SKY this year to help all SL clubs, which of course didn't include the Bulls as more than likely the RFL would not release this payment to a club still in the throes of an ownership battle involving Administration!

Still of the opinion that we should fall on the sword ? Whilst feeling sorry for other clubs.
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Wakey are almost as unstable as us ! they do not have a great fan base & only survive becuase Andrew Glover bailed them out. Dont blame anyone for leaving our disaster of a club but frying pan & fire spring to mind.[/p][/quote]What's this with your Bully Bull Man name, does it mean you are not a Bulls fan as you prefer to Bully the Bulls, rather than support them> Wakefield were one of the Clubs that complained to the RFL, and publicly at that- that they expected the Bulls to be treated as badly as they said they had been treated when the last Administration was pending against them, I have only proved that they were helped tremendously by the RFL to keep the licence and to keep trading, with as it happens an enhanced £50K per year from our share of the SL pot, and presumably a £300k windfall payment advanced from SKY this year to help all SL clubs, which of course didn't include the Bulls as more than likely the RFL would not release this payment to a club still in the throes of an ownership battle involving Administration! Still of the opinion that we should fall on the sword ? Whilst feeling sorry for other clubs. raisemeup
  • Score: 3

11:27am Sat 1 Mar 14

gordon ramsay says...

This is Moores doing.

Had he not bought the club 2 weeks ago under false pretences we would have had a proper owner in by now and more stability. His purchase and sulking when the obvious points deduction happened caused this.

Gggrrrrrrrrrr
This is Moores doing. Had he not bought the club 2 weeks ago under false pretences we would have had a proper owner in by now and more stability. His purchase and sulking when the obvious points deduction happened caused this. Gggrrrrrrrrrr gordon ramsay
  • Score: 4

11:48am Sat 1 Mar 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
This is Moores doing.

Had he not bought the club 2 weeks ago under false pretences we would have had a proper owner in by now and more stability. His purchase and sulking when the obvious points deduction happened caused this.

Gggrrrrrrrrrr
totally agree Moore tried to be clever with the Clubs money (and for that read fans money as he never put in a penny of his own) and got caught out.

He walks away and we are again left up the creek not only without a paddle but in a very leaky canoe.

He needs to be held to account over this along with Whitcut, Khan and GS.

As RHP has been involved at Board level in one way or another with all parties he has a lot to answer for as well.
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: This is Moores doing. Had he not bought the club 2 weeks ago under false pretences we would have had a proper owner in by now and more stability. His purchase and sulking when the obvious points deduction happened caused this. Gggrrrrrrrrrr[/p][/quote]totally agree Moore tried to be clever with the Clubs money (and for that read fans money as he never put in a penny of his own) and got caught out. He walks away and we are again left up the creek not only without a paddle but in a very leaky canoe. He needs to be held to account over this along with Whitcut, Khan and GS. As RHP has been involved at Board level in one way or another with all parties he has a lot to answer for as well. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 3

1:35pm Sat 1 Mar 14

rogerthat! says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
gordon ramsay wrote:
This is Moores doing.

Had he not bought the club 2 weeks ago under false pretences we would have had a proper owner in by now and more stability. His purchase and sulking when the obvious points deduction happened caused this.

Gggrrrrrrrrrr
totally agree Moore tried to be clever with the Clubs money (and for that read fans money as he never put in a penny of his own) and got caught out.

He walks away and we are again left up the creek not only without a paddle but in a very leaky canoe.

He needs to be held to account over this along with Whitcut, Khan and GS.

As RHP has been involved at Board level in one way or another with all parties he has a lot to answer for as well.
Agree RHP has more Faces than the Moon. All things to all people. On a big Wage like Scruton so a good way to cut costs. The Wage bill must be cut before it becomes attractive for a takeover. Anyone with alternative offers would be a fool to hang around. Suggest the Aussies will be anxious.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: This is Moores doing. Had he not bought the club 2 weeks ago under false pretences we would have had a proper owner in by now and more stability. His purchase and sulking when the obvious points deduction happened caused this. Gggrrrrrrrrrr[/p][/quote]totally agree Moore tried to be clever with the Clubs money (and for that read fans money as he never put in a penny of his own) and got caught out. He walks away and we are again left up the creek not only without a paddle but in a very leaky canoe. He needs to be held to account over this along with Whitcut, Khan and GS. As RHP has been involved at Board level in one way or another with all parties he has a lot to answer for as well.[/p][/quote]Agree RHP has more Faces than the Moon. All things to all people. On a big Wage like Scruton so a good way to cut costs. The Wage bill must be cut before it becomes attractive for a takeover. Anyone with alternative offers would be a fool to hang around. Suggest the Aussies will be anxious. rogerthat!
  • Score: 2

1:44pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

So you all believe every word the likes of Rimmer and Solly say ?

I think it will be very interesting when the true facts come out .

I have been a supporter of Northern / Bulls since 1964 and have had ecstasy and agony in equal measure over that time, but Until now I have never wavered.

Having met Mark Moore and his colleagues on a number of occasions, I felt and still do feel that they were the best option forthe bulls.

Why do I say that when as has been said none of them are millionaires ?

I say that because they all come across as canny businessmen and don't forget have been sorting out Omar's mess for months now. During that time they all ( and their wives ) have put many hours in doing everything including cooking and dish washing to save the club money.

The key for me though is that in this time they had an insight into running the club, putting games on as well as all important functions in the coral stand.
Plus all the myriad of other things it takes to run a sports club.

This means they were in a unique position ( which no other buyer will have ) to formulate a workable business plan, which I firmly believe they had.

The RFL clearly have another agenda for the Bulls or maybe they didn't like the fact that Moore and co were willing to challenge their decisions if they felt they were unjust.

Either way I fear for my beloved club as I am convinced that it has been marked by the manipulators at Red Hall to go down at the end of the season .

Clearly they were against promotion and relegation and now we have it, they still want to decide who will be in Superleague and who won't.

So to all other clubs I say be very careful because if your face doesn't fit you will be next.

The RFL are incompetent at best but at worst something much more sinister is going on. Who in their right mind is going to put money into a club minus 6 points and in special measures.

Demotion almost guaranteed if we lose more players like Scruton but are unable to sign any

I have never posted on here and probably never will again, but just had to make a few points which many on here seem to be happy to overlook just to have a go at anybody,, regardless of their intentions.

I believe Moore and his colleagues had only the Bulls best interests at heart and due to the RFL going completely against their word they are now lost to the cause. They should have been given a chance on a reasonably level playing field but now we will never know if their business plan would have worked or not.
So you all believe every word the likes of Rimmer and Solly say ? I think it will be very interesting when the true facts come out . I have been a supporter of Northern / Bulls since 1964 and have had ecstasy and agony in equal measure over that time, but Until now I have never wavered. Having met Mark Moore and his colleagues on a number of occasions, I felt and still do feel that they were the best option forthe bulls. Why do I say that when as has been said none of them are millionaires ? I say that because they all come across as canny businessmen and don't forget have been sorting out Omar's mess for months now. During that time they all ( and their wives ) have put many hours in doing everything including cooking and dish washing to save the club money. The key for me though is that in this time they had an insight into running the club, putting games on as well as all important functions in the coral stand. Plus all the myriad of other things it takes to run a sports club. This means they were in a unique position ( which no other buyer will have ) to formulate a workable business plan, which I firmly believe they had. The RFL clearly have another agenda for the Bulls or maybe they didn't like the fact that Moore and co were willing to challenge their decisions if they felt they were unjust. Either way I fear for my beloved club as I am convinced that it has been marked by the manipulators at Red Hall to go down at the end of the season . Clearly they were against promotion and relegation and now we have it, they still want to decide who will be in Superleague and who won't. So to all other clubs I say be very careful because if your face doesn't fit you will be next. The RFL are incompetent at best but at worst something much more sinister is going on. Who in their right mind is going to put money into a club minus 6 points and in special measures. Demotion almost guaranteed if we lose more players like Scruton but are unable to sign any I have never posted on here and probably never will again, but just had to make a few points which many on here seem to be happy to overlook just to have a go at anybody,, regardless of their intentions. I believe Moore and his colleagues had only the Bulls best interests at heart and due to the RFL going completely against their word they are now lost to the cause. They should have been given a chance on a reasonably level playing field but now we will never know if their business plan would have worked or not. Sad bull
  • Score: 16

1:46pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Ryanbulls says...

Very loyal player and will be sad to see him go however a lot of credit has to go to franny for the clever move of making links with warrington wolves and getting their youngsters in when we really need them. Shrewd management and if we bring in Ben Evans to replace him then we have 3 good young forwards with bags of energy which could help the bulls to safety. Come on you bulls we are the proudest team in the competition and we will not go down wondering. COYB!!!!!
Very loyal player and will be sad to see him go however a lot of credit has to go to franny for the clever move of making links with warrington wolves and getting their youngsters in when we really need them. Shrewd management and if we bring in Ben Evans to replace him then we have 3 good young forwards with bags of energy which could help the bulls to safety. Come on you bulls we are the proudest team in the competition and we will not go down wondering. COYB!!!!! Ryanbulls
  • Score: 7

3:37pm Sat 1 Mar 14

doctor.t says...

Ship rock wrote:
I'll be surprised if bulls don't get dicked points for going back into administration after Moore Calvert etc walked away
The Bulls never came out of Administration,as the transfer of ownership was never ratified by the R.F.L.(thank goodness).
[quote][p][bold]Ship rock[/bold] wrote: I'll be surprised if bulls don't get dicked points for going back into administration after Moore Calvert etc walked away[/p][/quote]The Bulls never came out of Administration,as the transfer of ownership was never ratified by the R.F.L.(thank goodness). doctor.t
  • Score: 2

4:02pm Sat 1 Mar 14

jackie-varley@hotmail.co.uk says...

the RFL and the administrater are hell bent on getting the bulls out of the super league I don't blame the player or franny or the fans they are a disgrace to the game those people how come other teams get away with so much I would like to know shame on you
the RFL and the administrater are hell bent on getting the bulls out of the super league I don't blame the player or franny or the fans they are a disgrace to the game those people how come other teams get away with so much I would like to know shame on you jackie-varley@hotmail.co.uk
  • Score: 2

4:03pm Sat 1 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

Would not blame any of the players if they leave after all they have to look after their families first.
The administrator has to get the best deal so he will have to remember a team without players is not away to attract potential buyers and a buyer will reduce their offer accordingly.
The players will also have to be careful as some of the other clubs are not much better off.
Just think of the pride at the end of the season in keeping the Bulls in S L and stuffing it to the RFL, Bootsnall and everyone else against us
Would not blame any of the players if they leave after all they have to look after their families first. The administrator has to get the best deal so he will have to remember a team without players is not away to attract potential buyers and a buyer will reduce their offer accordingly. The players will also have to be careful as some of the other clubs are not much better off. Just think of the pride at the end of the season in keeping the Bulls in S L and stuffing it to the RFL, Bootsnall and everyone else against us portugalbull
  • Score: 1

4:22pm Sat 1 Mar 14

portugalbull says...

The RFL should stop other clubs registering players until the new owners have time to put their case and obtain fees where applicable, but that won't happen as its not in keeping with relegating the Bulls.
A question, if the new buyers offer to pay off all creditors, as with Salford takeover, does that mean the RFL would reduce the points deduction and there would be no special measures?
A lot of water under the bridge before this mess will be sorted.
The RFL should stop other clubs registering players until the new owners have time to put their case and obtain fees where applicable, but that won't happen as its not in keeping with relegating the Bulls. A question, if the new buyers offer to pay off all creditors, as with Salford takeover, does that mean the RFL would reduce the points deduction and there would be no special measures? A lot of water under the bridge before this mess will be sorted. portugalbull
  • Score: 2

5:08pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Sad bull says...

portugalbull wrote:
The RFL should stop other clubs registering players until the new owners have time to put their case and obtain fees where applicable, but that won't happen as its not in keeping with relegating the Bulls.
A question, if the new buyers offer to pay off all creditors, as with Salford takeover, does that mean the RFL would reduce the points deduction and there would be no special measures?
A lot of water under the bridge before this mess will be sorted.
As far as I am aware didn't Moore and co offer to pay off all creditors ?

Fat lot of good it did them !
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: The RFL should stop other clubs registering players until the new owners have time to put their case and obtain fees where applicable, but that won't happen as its not in keeping with relegating the Bulls. A question, if the new buyers offer to pay off all creditors, as with Salford takeover, does that mean the RFL would reduce the points deduction and there would be no special measures? A lot of water under the bridge before this mess will be sorted.[/p][/quote]As far as I am aware didn't Moore and co offer to pay off all creditors ? Fat lot of good it did them ! Sad bull
  • Score: 2

6:00pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Inki60 says...

Sad bull wrote:
So you all believe every word the likes of Rimmer and Solly say ?

I think it will be very interesting when the true facts come out .

I have been a supporter of Northern / Bulls since 1964 and have had ecstasy and agony in equal measure over that time, but Until now I have never wavered.

Having met Mark Moore and his colleagues on a number of occasions, I felt and still do feel that they were the best option forthe bulls.

Why do I say that when as has been said none of them are millionaires ?

I say that because they all come across as canny businessmen and don't forget have been sorting out Omar's mess for months now. During that time they all ( and their wives ) have put many hours in doing everything including cooking and dish washing to save the club money.

The key for me though is that in this time they had an insight into running the club, putting games on as well as all important functions in the coral stand.
Plus all the myriad of other things it takes to run a sports club.

This means they were in a unique position ( which no other buyer will have ) to formulate a workable business plan, which I firmly believe they had.

The RFL clearly have another agenda for the Bulls or maybe they didn't like the fact that Moore and co were willing to challenge their decisions if they felt they were unjust.

Either way I fear for my beloved club as I am convinced that it has been marked by the manipulators at Red Hall to go down at the end of the season .

Clearly they were against promotion and relegation and now we have it, they still want to decide who will be in Superleague and who won't.

So to all other clubs I say be very careful because if your face doesn't fit you will be next.

The RFL are incompetent at best but at worst something much more sinister is going on. Who in their right mind is going to put money into a club minus 6 points and in special measures.

Demotion almost guaranteed if we lose more players like Scruton but are unable to sign any

I have never posted on here and probably never will again, but just had to make a few points which many on here seem to be happy to overlook just to have a go at anybody,, regardless of their intentions.

I believe Moore and his colleagues had only the Bulls best interests at heart and due to the RFL going completely against their word they are now lost to the cause. They should have been given a chance on a reasonably level playing field but now we will never know if their business plan would have worked or not.
What a sensible person you are ,people don't know what went on behind the scenes . The work those people put in to save money for the club was a lot of money they did make people redundant reluctantly but it was to save money they then did all the jobs for free to try and help the cause fans should be sticking up for them they would have got you to the top well done to them I applaud them
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: So you all believe every word the likes of Rimmer and Solly say ? I think it will be very interesting when the true facts come out . I have been a supporter of Northern / Bulls since 1964 and have had ecstasy and agony in equal measure over that time, but Until now I have never wavered. Having met Mark Moore and his colleagues on a number of occasions, I felt and still do feel that they were the best option forthe bulls. Why do I say that when as has been said none of them are millionaires ? I say that because they all come across as canny businessmen and don't forget have been sorting out Omar's mess for months now. During that time they all ( and their wives ) have put many hours in doing everything including cooking and dish washing to save the club money. The key for me though is that in this time they had an insight into running the club, putting games on as well as all important functions in the coral stand. Plus all the myriad of other things it takes to run a sports club. This means they were in a unique position ( which no other buyer will have ) to formulate a workable business plan, which I firmly believe they had. The RFL clearly have another agenda for the Bulls or maybe they didn't like the fact that Moore and co were willing to challenge their decisions if they felt they were unjust. Either way I fear for my beloved club as I am convinced that it has been marked by the manipulators at Red Hall to go down at the end of the season . Clearly they were against promotion and relegation and now we have it, they still want to decide who will be in Superleague and who won't. So to all other clubs I say be very careful because if your face doesn't fit you will be next. The RFL are incompetent at best but at worst something much more sinister is going on. Who in their right mind is going to put money into a club minus 6 points and in special measures. Demotion almost guaranteed if we lose more players like Scruton but are unable to sign any I have never posted on here and probably never will again, but just had to make a few points which many on here seem to be happy to overlook just to have a go at anybody,, regardless of their intentions. I believe Moore and his colleagues had only the Bulls best interests at heart and due to the RFL going completely against their word they are now lost to the cause. They should have been given a chance on a reasonably level playing field but now we will never know if their business plan would have worked or not.[/p][/quote]What a sensible person you are ,people don't know what went on behind the scenes . The work those people put in to save money for the club was a lot of money they did make people redundant reluctantly but it was to save money they then did all the jobs for free to try and help the cause fans should be sticking up for them they would have got you to the top well done to them I applaud them Inki60
  • Score: 4

7:52pm Sat 1 Mar 14

Adeybull says...

Sad bull wrote:
So you all believe every word the likes of Rimmer and Solly say ?

I think it will be very interesting when the true facts come out .

I have been a supporter of Northern / Bulls since 1964 and have had ecstasy and agony in equal measure over that time, but Until now I have never wavered.

Having met Mark Moore and his colleagues on a number of occasions, I felt and still do feel that they were the best option forthe bulls.

Why do I say that when as has been said none of them are millionaires ?

I say that because they all come across as canny businessmen and don't forget have been sorting out Omar's mess for months now. During that time they all ( and their wives ) have put many hours in doing everything including cooking and dish washing to save the club money.

The key for me though is that in this time they had an insight into running the club, putting games on as well as all important functions in the coral stand.
Plus all the myriad of other things it takes to run a sports club.

This means they were in a unique position ( which no other buyer will have ) to formulate a workable business plan, which I firmly believe they had.

The RFL clearly have another agenda for the Bulls or maybe they didn't like the fact that Moore and co were willing to challenge their decisions if they felt they were unjust.

Either way I fear for my beloved club as I am convinced that it has been marked by the manipulators at Red Hall to go down at the end of the season .

Clearly they were against promotion and relegation and now we have it, they still want to decide who will be in Superleague and who won't.

So to all other clubs I say be very careful because if your face doesn't fit you will be next.

The RFL are incompetent at best but at worst something much more sinister is going on. Who in their right mind is going to put money into a club minus 6 points and in special measures.

Demotion almost guaranteed if we lose more players like Scruton but are unable to sign any

I have never posted on here and probably never will again, but just had to make a few points which many on here seem to be happy to overlook just to have a go at anybody,, regardless of their intentions.

I believe Moore and his colleagues had only the Bulls best interests at heart and due to the RFL going completely against their word they are now lost to the cause. They should have been given a chance on a reasonably level playing field but now we will never know if their business plan would have worked or not.
A very significant and important post, I think?

Very much reads like it was written by someone extremely well-placed to know exactly what went on, and to be totally gutted by what has been done to the club. And probably by whom.

All I can ask is that those who DO know what has been going on, and the nature and extent of Red Hall's ongoing involvement over recent months, please put as much of it as possible into the public domain? So the rest of the fans, as well as the vermin who are so revelling in our misfortunes, can come to understand what has really happened.

And judge who the guilty men are accordingly.
[quote][p][bold]Sad bull[/bold] wrote: So you all believe every word the likes of Rimmer and Solly say ? I think it will be very interesting when the true facts come out . I have been a supporter of Northern / Bulls since 1964 and have had ecstasy and agony in equal measure over that time, but Until now I have never wavered. Having met Mark Moore and his colleagues on a number of occasions, I felt and still do feel that they were the best option forthe bulls. Why do I say that when as has been said none of them are millionaires ? I say that because they all come across as canny businessmen and don't forget have been sorting out Omar's mess for months now. During that time they all ( and their wives ) have put many hours in doing everything including cooking and dish washing to save the club money. The key for me though is that in this time they had an insight into running the club, putting games on as well as all important functions in the coral stand. Plus all the myriad of other things it takes to run a sports club. This means they were in a unique position ( which no other buyer will have ) to formulate a workable business plan, which I firmly believe they had. The RFL clearly have another agenda for the Bulls or maybe they didn't like the fact that Moore and co were willing to challenge their decisions if they felt they were unjust. Either way I fear for my beloved club as I am convinced that it has been marked by the manipulators at Red Hall to go down at the end of the season . Clearly they were against promotion and relegation and now we have it, they still want to decide who will be in Superleague and who won't. So to all other clubs I say be very careful because if your face doesn't fit you will be next. The RFL are incompetent at best but at worst something much more sinister is going on. Who in their right mind is going to put money into a club minus 6 points and in special measures. Demotion almost guaranteed if we lose more players like Scruton but are unable to sign any I have never posted on here and probably never will again, but just had to make a few points which many on here seem to be happy to overlook just to have a go at anybody,, regardless of their intentions. I believe Moore and his colleagues had only the Bulls best interests at heart and due to the RFL going completely against their word they are now lost to the cause. They should have been given a chance on a reasonably level playing field but now we will never know if their business plan would have worked or not.[/p][/quote]A very significant and important post, I think? Very much reads like it was written by someone extremely well-placed to know exactly what went on, and to be totally gutted by what has been done to the club. And probably by whom. All I can ask is that those who DO know what has been going on, and the nature and extent of Red Hall's ongoing involvement over recent months, please put as much of it as possible into the public domain? So the rest of the fans, as well as the vermin who are so revelling in our misfortunes, can come to understand what has really happened. And judge who the guilty men are accordingly. Adeybull
  • Score: 19

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