Richard Lamb back in the mix to buy crisis club Bradford Bulls as 'owners' pull out after six-point deduction

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A London businessman last night spoke of his desire to buy Bradford Bulls after the club was docked six points amid a fresh crisis which saw its prospective new owners walk out, sparking a bitter war of words with the Rugby Football League.

Richard Lamb saw his bid for the Super League outfit turned down by Leeds-based administrator David Wilson last Thursday night in favour of an offer by Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd, led by club directors Mark Moore, Ian Watt, Andrew Calvert and Robbie Hunter-Paul.

But after the club was penalised for going into administration by the Rugby Football League yesterday, Bradford Bulls 2014 withdrew its offer to buy the club, leaving it back in the hands of the administrator.

Mr Moore issued a lengthy statement accusing the RFL of “poor leadership” that was “detrimental to the ownership of the club being agreed amicably”.

He also claimed the six-point penalty had made relegation “a certainty” for Francis Cummins’ team in a year in which the bottom two clubs will drop out of the top flight.

Mr Moore said: “This poor leadership by the RFL was, I believe, detrimental to the ownership of the club being agreed amicably, which then ultimately led to it then being forced into administration.

“Due to the error made by the governing body, the players, staff and supporters have now been asked to suffer a six-point deduction along with heavy financial restrictions.

“It feels like a real slap in the face to our team, our partners, the sport and, most importantly, our supporters, whom we have been working tirelessly for.”

But the RFL’s director of licensing and standards Blake Solly told the Telegraph & Argus last night that the ongoing ownership saga arose because Mr Moore and Ryan Whitcut, the club’s former general manager, failed to pay Omar Khan an agreed fee for the Bulls when he left the club last September.

Mr Solly said: “The root cause of this is Mark Moore’s decision to try to buy the club with its own season-ticket money and his failure to fulfil the obligations under the purchase agreement with Omar Khan.

“The RFL intervened to try to broker a solution at the request of Mr Khan and Mr Moore.

“Unfortunately attempts to resolve the dispute were unsuccessful with Omar Khan refusing to honour the terms of the agreement that was made on January 9.”

The failure of Bradford Bulls 2014 to buy the club has opened the door for Mr Lamb to make another offer for the Bulls and stave off the threat of liquidation.

The RFL say they are speaking to two interested parties and Mr Lamb last night he told the T&A: “I contacted David Wilson today and confirmed that while the process has undoubtedly changed, my position has not.

“When the process is confirmed I will look to make an offer to buy the club and would be delighted with the opportunity to take Bradford Bulls forward.

“I have no qualms with the points deduction because the governing body has been very clear about penalties related to the trading company entering into administration.

“While it is very hard on players, fans and sponsors who have not been involved in the commercial running of the club, the rules are the rules.

“I would not seek to challenge this position and would look to continue to build for the current season. As I have always said this season is going to be tough but everyone needs to stick together. If the season ends in relegation then as many clubs before have done, Bradford Bulls will need to rebuild and move forward.

“I hope the upcoming process is transparent and whoever is lucky enough to own this great club will support some of the game’s best fans.”

Mr Solly stressed that the club was hit with the points penalty yesterday because: “At no stage have we seen firm commitment from the club’s directors to meet the creditors.

“Indeed there is a liability to HMRC for £170,000 that will be unpaid as a result of the administration and the Council are also looking at a loss of £200,000.

“Given a number of other clubs in the league, including Wakefield and London, avoided administration in 2013 by restructuring their business by owners investing their own money and losing a number of players, allowing Bradford to enter administration to drop off debt without any points deduction would have seriously affected the integrity of the competition.

“On that basis there was no alternative but to deduct six points.”

Ralph Rimmer, the RFL’s chief operating officer, added that Mr Moore and his fellow directors had requested £500,000 to be advanced from the RFL on February 7 in order to continue to trade.

It was at that point the directors were told the Bulls would be placed in ‘special measures’, preventing the club from making any new signings, if Bradford Bulls 2014 had followed through its bid to buy the club.

Mr Rimmer said: “We have seen nothing further from the directors to suggest that situation has improved.

“Indeed their business plan revealed yet another attempt to buy the club with its own money.”

Yesterday’s developments threw the Bulls into chaos but Mr Hunter-Paul remained in situ as the club’s chief executive and said he expected Sunday’s home clash with London Broncos to go ahead as planned.

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7:01am Wed 26 Feb 14

Shipley Paul says...

The only ones who are being let down in this fiasco are us, the fans. We raised a huge amount of cash at the outset, which evaporated, have bought season tickets in good faith, and have stuck by the club in large numbers throughout. Because of the secretive way in which all of these dealings have been conducted, quite a normal situation in a business situation, we have been left in the dark, clutching at straws and potentially looking at being creditors ourselves should the club fold and season tickets not be honoured. Everyone involved should be ashamed, Omar, Gerry Sutcliffe, Bulls 2014 and not least the RFL for being incapable of managing the whole sorry episode.
The only ones who are being let down in this fiasco are us, the fans. We raised a huge amount of cash at the outset, which evaporated, have bought season tickets in good faith, and have stuck by the club in large numbers throughout. Because of the secretive way in which all of these dealings have been conducted, quite a normal situation in a business situation, we have been left in the dark, clutching at straws and potentially looking at being creditors ourselves should the club fold and season tickets not be honoured. Everyone involved should be ashamed, Omar, Gerry Sutcliffe, Bulls 2014 and not least the RFL for being incapable of managing the whole sorry episode. Shipley Paul
  • Score: 31

7:18am Wed 26 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

this quote of buying the club with its own money. the club wasnt worth a penny. i could have bought it with my own money. The RFL are now covering their tracks because they've made agreements with the new directors in person and have now gone back on their word
this quote of buying the club with its own money. the club wasnt worth a penny. i could have bought it with my own money. The RFL are now covering their tracks because they've made agreements with the new directors in person and have now gone back on their word bradfordbronco
  • Score: -5

7:36am Wed 26 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

If London and Wakefield have cut their cloth accordingly to avoid Admin, why should the Bulls be a special case?
RFL say no effort has been made to repay any creditors therefore the penalty is six points and the condition of getting £500k up front was special conditions.
These are not unfair santions. If the owners funded this £500k themselves I'm guessing no conditions would be issued. Also the penalty would not be 6 points if the RFL was satisfied creditors were being worked with.
With the club twice being attempted to be bought with it's own money, it's time to put up or shut up.
If London and Wakefield have cut their cloth accordingly to avoid Admin, why should the Bulls be a special case? RFL say no effort has been made to repay any creditors therefore the penalty is six points and the condition of getting £500k up front was special conditions. These are not unfair santions. If the owners funded this £500k themselves I'm guessing no conditions would be issued. Also the penalty would not be 6 points if the RFL was satisfied creditors were being worked with. With the club twice being attempted to be bought with it's own money, it's time to put up or shut up. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 22

7:41am Wed 26 Feb 14

pww of idle says...

Well done RLF ; I can see eventually there being only 4 or 5 clubs playing each other many times a season before converting to the "kick & rush" game , as it will continue on its merry way in destroying the sport of RL , or should it be the business of this once great & proud sport ! The Bulls now, followed by several other clubs. I think the RLF should act quicker & go the whole hog & make the Bulls play games with their arms tied together & to make sure we are relegated , play also with blindfolds !
Well done RLF ; I can see eventually there being only 4 or 5 clubs playing each other many times a season before converting to the "kick & rush" game , as it will continue on its merry way in destroying the sport of RL , or should it be the business of this once great & proud sport ! The Bulls now, followed by several other clubs. I think the RLF should act quicker & go the whole hog & make the Bulls play games with their arms tied together & to make sure we are relegated , play also with blindfolds ! pww of idle
  • Score: 1

7:59am Wed 26 Feb 14

bulls1958 says...

What a shambles, the RLF should be ashamed, who is Blake solly, and this rimmer bloke, they are not rugby people, they don't know the first thing about the game the supporters, and the clubs they need to look back 13 years to see the input the bulls had on super league and making it the success it is. Give us the help that they have given to London, Wales, France, they were only to willing to throw money at these ventures.
What a shambles, the RLF should be ashamed, who is Blake solly, and this rimmer bloke, they are not rugby people, they don't know the first thing about the game the supporters, and the clubs they need to look back 13 years to see the input the bulls had on super league and making it the success it is. Give us the help that they have given to London, Wales, France, they were only to willing to throw money at these ventures. bulls1958
  • Score: -12

8:03am Wed 26 Feb 14

bulls1958 says...

Well done the RLF, who are these people, Blake Solly, and that Rimmer bloke, they don't have a clue about the the sport the supporters or the clubs. They need to look back 13 years to see the input the bulls made on Supper league making it the success it is today, and give them the help that they have given to the French, wales, and London, they are only to happy to throw money at these ventures.

Very sad for the sport.
Well done the RLF, who are these people, Blake Solly, and that Rimmer bloke, they don't have a clue about the the sport the supporters or the clubs. They need to look back 13 years to see the input the bulls made on Supper league making it the success it is today, and give them the help that they have given to the French, wales, and London, they are only to happy to throw money at these ventures. Very sad for the sport. bulls1958
  • Score: -13

8:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: 37

8:24am Wed 26 Feb 14

jozieme says...

I feel that this decision is not just 'punative' but vindictive.. We have a core fans base of over 7000 supporters right. the RFL prepared to see a well supported club go to the wall .. and yet the RFL supports teams with just 1000 supporters (to keep the game alive ?) speak with forked tongue... this makes the relagation decison pretty easy for the RFL doesn;t it.. No voices from the rest of the SL clubs though.... puzzling..... If only a handful of clubs can survive with their own support, then the travelling support from such as ourselves means nothing to boosting their gates, and with all of this happening the players (at this stage) having to turn out and win against all odds.It;s time the truth and nothing but the truth was revealed to the Bradford public
I feel that this decision is not just 'punative' but vindictive.. We have a core fans base of over 7000 supporters right. the RFL prepared to see a well supported club go to the wall .. and yet the RFL supports teams with just 1000 supporters (to keep the game alive ?) speak with forked tongue... this makes the relagation decison pretty easy for the RFL doesn;t it.. No voices from the rest of the SL clubs though.... puzzling..... If only a handful of clubs can survive with their own support, then the travelling support from such as ourselves means nothing to boosting their gates, and with all of this happening the players (at this stage) having to turn out and win against all odds.It;s time the truth and nothing but the truth was revealed to the Bradford public jozieme
  • Score: -7

8:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

bingleymoor says...

As I have said on here before, I am not a Bulls fan but I do follow sport and am very keen to see Bradford sport succeed. There seems to me to be some important points here which are being overlooked in the emotion (understandable) of the situation.
1. The now resigned Chairman has attempted, say the RFL, twice, to acquire the Bulls with the Bulls own money whilst apparently not being able to demonstrate sufficient funds of his / the rest of the Board. To my mind this may be either theft or fraud, either way I suspect the Police should be interested and the RFL are right to be worried.
2.How did the Administrator conclude the existing Board were the best bid in what was little more than 2 hours from bid closure last week when he had 2 bids to work through and analyse? Or did he actually get 2 bids, he has never said and should do.
3. How did the RFL pass the existing Directors as fit and proper one week and then all this the next? Did they not have all the facts.
4.The existing Directors may have put some money in the Club but it now seems to be that millions are needed and they don't have it. Were they on the same ego trip as Messrs Khan and Sutcliffe.
5. Above all and sadly for the fans, rules are rules and a points deduction was inevitable. The fans should accept that the Bulls are nothing of a special case, other clubs have dealt with similar issues in a far more professional manner and avoided a points deduction. Wakefield did not and got one.
As Mr Lawn of Bradford City said last Saturday in this paper, he feared for the future of professional Rugby in Bradford. Mr Lamb`s continued presence seems to me to be yet another ego to be massaged and the clear and only option is relegation and re-build, it is a shame that the RFL seemed so desperate to keep the Bulls where they are that they lsot sight of commercial reality.
As I have said on here before, I am not a Bulls fan but I do follow sport and am very keen to see Bradford sport succeed. There seems to me to be some important points here which are being overlooked in the emotion (understandable) of the situation. 1. The now resigned Chairman has attempted, say the RFL, twice, to acquire the Bulls with the Bulls own money whilst apparently not being able to demonstrate sufficient funds of his / the rest of the Board. To my mind this may be either theft or fraud, either way I suspect the Police should be interested and the RFL are right to be worried. 2.How did the Administrator conclude the existing Board were the best bid in what was little more than 2 hours from bid closure last week when he had 2 bids to work through and analyse? Or did he actually get 2 bids, he has never said and should do. 3. How did the RFL pass the existing Directors as fit and proper one week and then all this the next? Did they not have all the facts. 4.The existing Directors may have put some money in the Club but it now seems to be that millions are needed and they don't have it. Were they on the same ego trip as Messrs Khan and Sutcliffe. 5. Above all and sadly for the fans, rules are rules and a points deduction was inevitable. The fans should accept that the Bulls are nothing of a special case, other clubs have dealt with similar issues in a far more professional manner and avoided a points deduction. Wakefield did not and got one. As Mr Lawn of Bradford City said last Saturday in this paper, he feared for the future of professional Rugby in Bradford. Mr Lamb`s continued presence seems to me to be yet another ego to be massaged and the clear and only option is relegation and re-build, it is a shame that the RFL seemed so desperate to keep the Bulls where they are that they lsot sight of commercial reality. bingleymoor
  • Score: 28

8:30am Wed 26 Feb 14

no1smytho says...

WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed
WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed no1smytho
  • Score: 19

8:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

Andybulls says...

The people been let down are the playing staff, admin staff and fans. Every comment coming out of the Bulls has been either untrue or not the full truth. We have not had sufficiently good directors who could run the Bulls as a business and ensure we do not spend beyond our means. Without a serious injection of cash Omar Khan was on a hiding to nothing and his sidekick Mr Teflon (Sutcliffe) added absolutely nothing to the party.
The RFL have also been culpable in the fiasco because they took away half the Sky money for 2 years, which no other club who have gone into administration has suffered (Wakefield, Crusaders, London and Salford). How, without a serious injection of money could any consortium expect to run the Bulls and compete on a level playing field with over £625K removed from the budget for 2 years?
Most of the other clubs were very quick to vote to take the Sky money that should have been ours and distribute it amongst themselves, why? Because the game is in decline and whilst we have people running the RFL who know nothing about business we are on the slippery slope.
Where is all the sponsorship money we were promised for the game, we didn't even have a major sponsor last year. Sadly the greatest game on the planet is in terminal decline and don't expect to see Super League rugby in Bradford after this year.
The people been let down are the playing staff, admin staff and fans. Every comment coming out of the Bulls has been either untrue or not the full truth. We have not had sufficiently good directors who could run the Bulls as a business and ensure we do not spend beyond our means. Without a serious injection of cash Omar Khan was on a hiding to nothing and his sidekick Mr Teflon (Sutcliffe) added absolutely nothing to the party. The RFL have also been culpable in the fiasco because they took away half the Sky money for 2 years, which no other club who have gone into administration has suffered (Wakefield, Crusaders, London and Salford). How, without a serious injection of money could any consortium expect to run the Bulls and compete on a level playing field with over £625K removed from the budget for 2 years? Most of the other clubs were very quick to vote to take the Sky money that should have been ours and distribute it amongst themselves, why? Because the game is in decline and whilst we have people running the RFL who know nothing about business we are on the slippery slope. Where is all the sponsorship money we were promised for the game, we didn't even have a major sponsor last year. Sadly the greatest game on the planet is in terminal decline and don't expect to see Super League rugby in Bradford after this year. Andybulls
  • Score: 4

9:13am Wed 26 Feb 14

streetcar says...

I wonder if the RFL want the Bulls to fail altogether with their interest in the stadium. They own the lease and were quick to take over it. Have the RFL got some ulterior motive for the ground?
I wonder if the RFL want the Bulls to fail altogether with their interest in the stadium. They own the lease and were quick to take over it. Have the RFL got some ulterior motive for the ground? streetcar
  • Score: 1

9:19am Wed 26 Feb 14

Bowlingboy says...

So am I right in thinking if Lamb comes in and agrees to pay the creditors
That we only get a 4 point deduction?
Or do we just say they don't get paid a cent and use the money to make the club more financially stable, buy players and fight relegation that way?

What an absolute shambles from all sides...

**** up and Brewery spring to mind.
So am I right in thinking if Lamb comes in and agrees to pay the creditors That we only get a 4 point deduction? Or do we just say they don't get paid a cent and use the money to make the club more financially stable, buy players and fight relegation that way? What an absolute shambles from all sides... **** up and Brewery spring to mind. Bowlingboy
  • Score: 2

9:21am Wed 26 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

no1smytho wrote:
WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed
Well said.

The interview with the RFL and Mark Moore last night just showed exactly what Moore is....a second rate businessman who wanted the prestige of owning a sports club without actually putting any money in
[quote][p][bold]no1smytho[/bold] wrote: WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed[/p][/quote]Well said. The interview with the RFL and Mark Moore last night just showed exactly what Moore is....a second rate businessman who wanted the prestige of owning a sports club without actually putting any money in Andy2010
  • Score: 22

9:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

streetcar says...

I wonder what the RFL are trying to do, they took over the lease from the Bulls, perhaps they think there is something in it for them if the Bull fail altogether. It all seems a very strange. It looks to me with points deduction and TV money stopped that RFL want rid of the Bulls at least from the Super League
I wonder what the RFL are trying to do, they took over the lease from the Bulls, perhaps they think there is something in it for them if the Bull fail altogether. It all seems a very strange. It looks to me with points deduction and TV money stopped that RFL want rid of the Bulls at least from the Super League streetcar
  • Score: -11

10:02am Wed 26 Feb 14

Odsal Man says...

Andy2010 wrote:
no1smytho wrote:
WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed
Well said.

The interview with the RFL and Mark Moore last night just showed exactly what Moore is....a second rate businessman who wanted the prestige of owning a sports club without actually putting any money in
The term POT LESS CHANCERS springs to mind.
Because that's all they really where.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]no1smytho[/bold] wrote: WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed[/p][/quote]Well said. The interview with the RFL and Mark Moore last night just showed exactly what Moore is....a second rate businessman who wanted the prestige of owning a sports club without actually putting any money in[/p][/quote]The term POT LESS CHANCERS springs to mind. Because that's all they really where. Odsal Man
  • Score: 13

10:05am Wed 26 Feb 14

rogerthat! says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
Yes Khan and Suitcliffe are to Blame and as Robbie was employed by them and appointed a Director of Bulls 2014 so it makes his position untenable .He has defended all and continued to Spin and Spin.
Cummins has also decided to have a Pop at the RFL rather than his previous employers. Now the club is back in administration all employees can TUPE and get out like Moore and co.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.[/p][/quote]Yes Khan and Suitcliffe are to Blame and as Robbie was employed by them and appointed a Director of Bulls 2014 so it makes his position untenable .He has defended all and continued to Spin and Spin. Cummins has also decided to have a Pop at the RFL rather than his previous employers. Now the club is back in administration all employees can TUPE and get out like Moore and co. rogerthat!
  • Score: 4

10:09am Wed 26 Feb 14

Odsal Man says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
WRONG.

What a totally disingenuous and scurrilous statement to make.

Unlike Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert (the three asset stripping cowboys), Omar Khan actually put hard earned money into the Odsal operation.

Oh and I'd be asking hard questions about where and for how much Mark Moore has sold all the speedway barriers to.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.[/p][/quote]WRONG. What a totally disingenuous and scurrilous statement to make. Unlike Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert (the three asset stripping cowboys), Omar Khan actually put hard earned money into the Odsal operation. Oh and I'd be asking hard questions about where and for how much Mark Moore has sold all the speedway barriers to. Odsal Man
  • Score: -7

10:16am Wed 26 Feb 14

bullybullman says...

Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games.

The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin.

London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league.
The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game.

It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.
Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games. The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin. London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league. The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game. It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue. bullybullman
  • Score: -6

10:26am Wed 26 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Andy2010 wrote:
no1smytho wrote: WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed
Well said. The interview with the RFL and Mark Moore last night just showed exactly what Moore is....a second rate businessman who wanted the prestige of owning a sports club without actually putting any money in
Which is exactly what me, you and many others of the so called 'Companies House Brigade' said as soon as they were appointed and got shouted down for it. They obviously had no brass between them and just wanted to play chairman for a bit.
Now they've been asked to cough up (which they can't) they've ran off and cried to the T&A/Radio Leeds about it. Total jokers and time wasters.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]no1smytho[/bold] wrote: WAKE UP!!! ppl the current board are the crooks who didn't want to spend a penny of their own money, who chuck out the teddy when they don't get their own way listen to the interview on BBC Leeds very informative, yes the RFL are C***s but they have done the right thing hopefully Mr lamb is in a better position to get us out of special measures and put this saga to bed[/p][/quote]Well said. The interview with the RFL and Mark Moore last night just showed exactly what Moore is....a second rate businessman who wanted the prestige of owning a sports club without actually putting any money in[/p][/quote]Which is exactly what me, you and many others of the so called 'Companies House Brigade' said as soon as they were appointed and got shouted down for it. They obviously had no brass between them and just wanted to play chairman for a bit. Now they've been asked to cough up (which they can't) they've ran off and cried to the T&A/Radio Leeds about it. Total jokers and time wasters. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 19

11:07am Wed 26 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

rogerthat! wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
Yes Khan and Suitcliffe are to Blame and as Robbie was employed by them and appointed a Director of Bulls 2014 so it makes his position untenable .He has defended all and continued to Spin and Spin.
Cummins has also decided to have a Pop at the RFL rather than his previous employers. Now the club is back in administration all employees can TUPE and get out like Moore and co.
To be fair Robbie Paul probably was as clueless as he appeared. He doesn't have a mind for business or how money operates and was only in the role so they could use his name to promote. I'm sure he knew more than is letting on but it wouldn't surprise me if all this is a shock to him as well.

To all the doom sayers though this will not be the end of the Bulls at all. For a start Bradford Council will not let them go to the wall as would be too detrimental to the City and they would support (although don't agree with taxpayers money being used).

They will continue in one form or another for the foreseeable future but just lets hope their next board have even a basic grasp of business and a little put aside which they are prepared to invest and lose in the running of the club
[quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.[/p][/quote]Yes Khan and Suitcliffe are to Blame and as Robbie was employed by them and appointed a Director of Bulls 2014 so it makes his position untenable .He has defended all and continued to Spin and Spin. Cummins has also decided to have a Pop at the RFL rather than his previous employers. Now the club is back in administration all employees can TUPE and get out like Moore and co.[/p][/quote]To be fair Robbie Paul probably was as clueless as he appeared. He doesn't have a mind for business or how money operates and was only in the role so they could use his name to promote. I'm sure he knew more than is letting on but it wouldn't surprise me if all this is a shock to him as well. To all the doom sayers though this will not be the end of the Bulls at all. For a start Bradford Council will not let them go to the wall as would be too detrimental to the City and they would support (although don't agree with taxpayers money being used). They will continue in one form or another for the foreseeable future but just lets hope their next board have even a basic grasp of business and a little put aside which they are prepared to invest and lose in the running of the club Andy2010
  • Score: 1

11:08am Wed 26 Feb 14

Videoref says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
You're right and didn't Khan say he would do nothing detrimental to the Bulls when he left because of 'ill health'? Seems to me he's done quite a bit to the detriment of the club. As for Sutcliffe-has anyone ever known such a nonentity? Our usually garrulous MP and former saviour appears to have disappeared up his own rec**m since his chum went to convalesce.
Furthermore, what happened to the formidable support we were also going to get in Bradford from the introvert MP George Galloway? Is he still drinking milk from Rula Lenska and pretending to be a ****?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.[/p][/quote]You're right and didn't Khan say he would do nothing detrimental to the Bulls when he left because of 'ill health'? Seems to me he's done quite a bit to the detriment of the club. As for Sutcliffe-has anyone ever known such a nonentity? Our usually garrulous MP and former saviour appears to have disappeared up his own rec**m since his chum went to convalesce. Furthermore, what happened to the formidable support we were also going to get in Bradford from the introvert MP George Galloway? Is he still drinking milk from Rula Lenska and pretending to be a ****? Videoref
  • Score: 3

11:12am Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

Odsal Man wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
WRONG.

What a totally disingenuous and scurrilous statement to make.

Unlike Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert (the three asset stripping cowboys), Omar Khan actually put hard earned money into the Odsal operation.

Oh and I'd be asking hard questions about where and for how much Mark Moore has sold all the speedway barriers to.
Mmmm didn't OK take out a massive loan against the club ?
[quote][p][bold]Odsal Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.[/p][/quote]WRONG. What a totally disingenuous and scurrilous statement to make. Unlike Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert (the three asset stripping cowboys), Omar Khan actually put hard earned money into the Odsal operation. Oh and I'd be asking hard questions about where and for how much Mark Moore has sold all the speedway barriers to.[/p][/quote]Mmmm didn't OK take out a massive loan against the club ? Mike Strutter
  • Score: 6

11:26am Wed 26 Feb 14

Videoref says...

I can'see the argument of the Rfl wanting the Bulls out of Odsal. Yes they own the lease but the council still own the land. It can't be used to build on because it emits methane and would cost a fortune to rectify-far more than a profit on housing in the current climate. Consequently what benefit would the RFL get from owning a lease on a big empty hole-with a bar?
Whilst I am not trying to exonerate the rfl from guilt in the whole debacle, it would appear they bought the lease to help keep the Bulls in business in 2012 which Peter Hood et al catagorically denied
I can'see the argument of the Rfl wanting the Bulls out of Odsal. Yes they own the lease but the council still own the land. It can't be used to build on because it emits methane and would cost a fortune to rectify-far more than a profit on housing in the current climate. Consequently what benefit would the RFL get from owning a lease on a big empty hole-with a bar? Whilst I am not trying to exonerate the rfl from guilt in the whole debacle, it would appear they bought the lease to help keep the Bulls in business in 2012 which Peter Hood et al catagorically denied Videoref
  • Score: 8

11:27am Wed 26 Feb 14

allannicho says...

Its all going down the Pan Man!
Its all going down the Pan Man! allannicho
  • Score: 6

11:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Videoref wrote:
I can'see the argument of the Rfl wanting the Bulls out of Odsal. Yes they own the lease but the council still own the land. It can't be used to build on because it emits methane and would cost a fortune to rectify-far more than a profit on housing in the current climate. Consequently what benefit would the RFL get from owning a lease on a big empty hole-with a bar? Whilst I am not trying to exonerate the rfl from guilt in the whole debacle, it would appear they bought the lease to help keep the Bulls in business in 2012 which Peter Hood et al catagorically denied
'It can't be used to build on because it emits methane'

Dangerous levels, mainly from the press office and directors seat.
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: I can'see the argument of the Rfl wanting the Bulls out of Odsal. Yes they own the lease but the council still own the land. It can't be used to build on because it emits methane and would cost a fortune to rectify-far more than a profit on housing in the current climate. Consequently what benefit would the RFL get from owning a lease on a big empty hole-with a bar? Whilst I am not trying to exonerate the rfl from guilt in the whole debacle, it would appear they bought the lease to help keep the Bulls in business in 2012 which Peter Hood et al catagorically denied[/p][/quote]'It can't be used to build on because it emits methane' Dangerous levels, mainly from the press office and directors seat. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 7

11:34am Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

Videoref wrote:
I can'see the argument of the Rfl wanting the Bulls out of Odsal. Yes they own the lease but the council still own the land. It can't be used to build on because it emits methane and would cost a fortune to rectify-far more than a profit on housing in the current climate. Consequently what benefit would the RFL get from owning a lease on a big empty hole-with a bar?
Whilst I am not trying to exonerate the rfl from guilt in the whole debacle, it would appear they bought the lease to help keep the Bulls in business in 2012 which Peter Hood et al catagorically denied
Current climate ?
House building is on the up and take a look at what is happening to the east of the ground.
A road is going in to service the houses and the ground and there is a huge amount of land behind the ground owned by the council.
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: I can'see the argument of the Rfl wanting the Bulls out of Odsal. Yes they own the lease but the council still own the land. It can't be used to build on because it emits methane and would cost a fortune to rectify-far more than a profit on housing in the current climate. Consequently what benefit would the RFL get from owning a lease on a big empty hole-with a bar? Whilst I am not trying to exonerate the rfl from guilt in the whole debacle, it would appear they bought the lease to help keep the Bulls in business in 2012 which Peter Hood et al catagorically denied[/p][/quote]Current climate ? House building is on the up and take a look at what is happening to the east of the ground. A road is going in to service the houses and the ground and there is a huge amount of land behind the ground owned by the council. Mike Strutter
  • Score: 2

11:38am Wed 26 Feb 14

tyker7745 says...

no agreement with Khan because they knew they had no money. Form a new company and hope al is well. It is not that simple!

POTLESS just about sums it up.
What happens now?: a new company with no direction. This is all heading for liquidation and a complete loss of a proud club being managed by chancers. Perhaps those players who left recently knew the precise position of these so called business men
no agreement with Khan because they knew they had no money. Form a new company and hope al is well. It is not that simple! POTLESS just about sums it up. What happens now?: a new company with no direction. This is all heading for liquidation and a complete loss of a proud club being managed by chancers. Perhaps those players who left recently knew the precise position of these so called business men tyker7745
  • Score: 8

12:06pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Stevie-C says...

bullybullman wrote:
Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games.

The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin.

London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league.
The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game.

It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.
Think you need to look at your sums again - first away game of season last week at Wakey, and we took 400-500 max? the days we took 2500 supporters to an away game are long gone
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games. The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin. London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league. The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game. It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to look at your sums again - first away game of season last week at Wakey, and we took 400-500 max? the days we took 2500 supporters to an away game are long gone Stevie-C
  • Score: 10

12:06pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ackersthebull says...

There's a lot of emotion which is getting no one anywhere.
I was under the impression that the Moore, Watt, Calvert consortium were deemed fit recently. The whole truth will never come out, however Mr. Lamb appears to have a much more pragmatic view and a sense of the longer term, stating that if we are relegated, but run effectively and efficiently, we can return, probably stronger.
Relegation is not a certainty, as it would be if we were 4 points behind with 2 games to go, but there are 25 to go. We are 4 points behind 4 clubs after 2 games.
If all goes right on Sunday, hopefully it will, we will be 2 points behind London.
Last year we were 10 points clear of what would have been relegation and we threw stupid points away, particularly against Widnes, twice.
The guys need backing from the fans and hopefully we will play as we did when our backs were to the wall 2 years ago.
Get some passion throughout the organisation, cut out the griping, show the RFL and the rest of super league what we are about, then hit 'em all hard next season. Don't let's hear the negativity about relegation spread. Moore started it, he's gone. Start again and good luck Mr. Lamb, if you are genuine, and if you take the club on. Trust needs building afresh, that's what belonging is, not just a trite word used for marketing purposes.
COYB!
There's a lot of emotion which is getting no one anywhere. I was under the impression that the Moore, Watt, Calvert consortium were deemed fit recently. The whole truth will never come out, however Mr. Lamb appears to have a much more pragmatic view and a sense of the longer term, stating that if we are relegated, but run effectively and efficiently, we can return, probably stronger. Relegation is not a certainty, as it would be if we were 4 points behind with 2 games to go, but there are 25 to go. We are 4 points behind 4 clubs after 2 games. If all goes right on Sunday, hopefully it will, we will be 2 points behind London. Last year we were 10 points clear of what would have been relegation and we threw stupid points away, particularly against Widnes, twice. The guys need backing from the fans and hopefully we will play as we did when our backs were to the wall 2 years ago. Get some passion throughout the organisation, cut out the griping, show the RFL and the rest of super league what we are about, then hit 'em all hard next season. Don't let's hear the negativity about relegation spread. Moore started it, he's gone. Start again and good luck Mr. Lamb, if you are genuine, and if you take the club on. Trust needs building afresh, that's what belonging is, not just a trite word used for marketing purposes. COYB! Ackersthebull
  • Score: 2

12:21pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Bowlingboy says...

Am I right in reading in the mirror there is a ban on player recruitment for 2014?
Does this still stand if another buyer is found?

If this is the case it is a ticket to the championship.

Also do the 6 points stand if debts are payed by the new buyer?
Am I right in reading in the mirror there is a ban on player recruitment for 2014? Does this still stand if another buyer is found? If this is the case it is a ticket to the championship. Also do the 6 points stand if debts are payed by the new buyer? Bowlingboy
  • Score: 3

12:34pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ballboy2012 says...

Seems the board are hiding behind the 6 point deduction to run, but reading between the lines these crooks business plan was to invest nothing and use season ticket money to buy the club and the special measures introduction has called their bluff. Call themselves business men but nothing better than petty criminals trying to pull a fast one.
Seems the board are hiding behind the 6 point deduction to run, but reading between the lines these crooks business plan was to invest nothing and use season ticket money to buy the club and the special measures introduction has called their bluff. Call themselves business men but nothing better than petty criminals trying to pull a fast one. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 12

12:35pm Wed 26 Feb 14

theoutsider says...

Can the last person out of Odsal Stadium please switch off the lights !

Still no call re; the stocks and speedway Robbie? can't afford to leave this much longer.

David Green wil be up tomorrow at Odsal with Securicor Van for the £200000 of hard pressed Council and Citizen Tax Payer money. Thats a out reach centre kept open for a year!

Will 10:30am be OK?. Who does he need to ask for ?...Mr Hunter Paul?, Omar Khan? Mark Moore? Gerry Sutcliffe?,Ian Watt?,Andrew Calvert?..Uncle Tom Cobbly and all? .. whats that a dust clouds just kicked up down Rooley Lane.
Can the last person out of Odsal Stadium please switch off the lights ! Still no call re; the stocks and speedway Robbie? can't afford to leave this much longer. David Green wil be up tomorrow at Odsal with Securicor Van for the £200000 of hard pressed Council and Citizen Tax Payer money. Thats a out reach centre kept open for a year! Will 10:30am be OK?. Who does he need to ask for ?...Mr Hunter Paul?, Omar Khan? Mark Moore? Gerry Sutcliffe?,Ian Watt?,Andrew Calvert?..Uncle Tom Cobbly and all? .. whats that a dust clouds just kicked up down Rooley Lane. theoutsider
  • Score: 6

12:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Loyalbull1981 says...

Odsal Man wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault.
Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt.
Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club.
Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction.
I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.
WRONG.

What a totally disingenuous and scurrilous statement to make.

Unlike Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert (the three asset stripping cowboys), Omar Khan actually put hard earned money into the Odsal operation.

Oh and I'd be asking hard questions about where and for how much Mark Moore has sold all the speedway barriers to.
exacrtly isnt it taking something from a ground which the then current owners didnt own and selling it, is this above board? doubtful? glad we have seem the for what they are now too.
[quote][p][bold]Odsal Man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Khan and Sutcliffe are getting away scot free for their deep involvement in the current mess by shortsighted bulls fans who think it is all the RFL's fault. Khan and Sutcliffe ran up the £1.2m debt. Khan and Sutcliffe failed to pay players on time last year which contributed to special conditions being placed on the club. Khan wouldn't release the club and sent it into admin which led to the points deduction. I'm not saying the RFL are faultless but most of the anger is aimed at the wrong people.[/p][/quote]WRONG. What a totally disingenuous and scurrilous statement to make. Unlike Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Andrew Calvert (the three asset stripping cowboys), Omar Khan actually put hard earned money into the Odsal operation. Oh and I'd be asking hard questions about where and for how much Mark Moore has sold all the speedway barriers to.[/p][/quote]exacrtly isnt it taking something from a ground which the then current owners didnt own and selling it, is this above board? doubtful? glad we have seem the for what they are now too. Loyalbull1981
  • Score: 1

12:54pm Wed 26 Feb 14

royalscot says...

If Dave 'Boy' Green is coming up to Odsal then the Bulls really are doomed!
If Dave 'Boy' Green is coming up to Odsal then the Bulls really are doomed! royalscot
  • Score: 5

12:56pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

theoutsider wrote:
Can the last person out of Odsal Stadium please switch off the lights ! Still no call re; the stocks and speedway Robbie? can't afford to leave this much longer. David Green wil be up tomorrow at Odsal with Securicor Van for the £200000 of hard pressed Council and Citizen Tax Payer money. Thats a out reach centre kept open for a year! Will 10:30am be OK?. Who does he need to ask for ?...Mr Hunter Paul?, Omar Khan? Mark Moore? Gerry Sutcliffe?,Ian Watt?,Andrew Calvert?..Uncle Tom Cobbly and all? .. whats that a dust clouds just kicked up down Rooley Lane.
Too funny!
[quote][p][bold]theoutsider[/bold] wrote: Can the last person out of Odsal Stadium please switch off the lights ! Still no call re; the stocks and speedway Robbie? can't afford to leave this much longer. David Green wil be up tomorrow at Odsal with Securicor Van for the £200000 of hard pressed Council and Citizen Tax Payer money. Thats a out reach centre kept open for a year! Will 10:30am be OK?. Who does he need to ask for ?...Mr Hunter Paul?, Omar Khan? Mark Moore? Gerry Sutcliffe?,Ian Watt?,Andrew Calvert?..Uncle Tom Cobbly and all? .. whats that a dust clouds just kicked up down Rooley Lane.[/p][/quote]Too funny! Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

1:01pm Wed 26 Feb 14

graz smith says...

After reading the blogs it appears that a few people out there under estimate the resolve of the BULLS supporters.
The only time they can hit US is when WE are down.
I call up on all BULLS supporters to stand up and show the world WE are BULLS and yes WE are down and hurt but WE will get up again and fight on.
WE need to all be there on Sunday and get behind the lads and let’s get vocal.
COM’ON YOU BULLS.
After reading the blogs it appears that a few people out there under estimate the resolve of the BULLS supporters. The only time they can hit US is when WE are down. I call up on all BULLS supporters to stand up and show the world WE are BULLS and yes WE are down and hurt but WE will get up again and fight on. WE need to all be there on Sunday and get behind the lads and let’s get vocal. COM’ON YOU BULLS. graz smith
  • Score: 5

1:21pm Wed 26 Feb 14

UP THE BULLS says...

does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?
does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own? UP THE BULLS
  • Score: 4

1:23pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ballboy2012 says...

500 supporters x £1000 each = 1/2 million to buy the club. Each £1000 gets one vote. Simple supporter owned democracy. Simple.
500 supporters x £1000 each = 1/2 million to buy the club. Each £1000 gets one vote. Simple supporter owned democracy. Simple. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 3

1:41pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Loyalbull1981 says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
500 supporters x £1000 each = 1/2 million to buy the club. Each £1000 gets one vote. Simple supporter owned democracy. Simple.
no many supports have £1000 to buy the club and then have the same mney or more to keep it going, buying the club might be easy but you have to have a buiness plan in place to prove future funding of the club is viable or there is no point.
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: 500 supporters x £1000 each = 1/2 million to buy the club. Each £1000 gets one vote. Simple supporter owned democracy. Simple.[/p][/quote]no many supports have £1000 to buy the club and then have the same mney or more to keep it going, buying the club might be easy but you have to have a buiness plan in place to prove future funding of the club is viable or there is no point. Loyalbull1981
  • Score: 3

1:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Looking from the outside, it's like the club have been destabiliized from out side. I don't think it's a coincidence that the RFL is Leeds based, Bradford Bulls were flying high until the Harris debacle, bit too much of a coincidence? These folk who run the game are the same folk who stitched the Bulls up years ago at the millennium stadium, a game involving guess who....Leeds RLFC....coincidence?
Looking from the outside, it's like the club have been destabiliized from out side. I don't think it's a coincidence that the RFL is Leeds based, Bradford Bulls were flying high until the Harris debacle, bit too much of a coincidence? These folk who run the game are the same folk who stitched the Bulls up years ago at the millennium stadium, a game involving guess who....Leeds RLFC....coincidence? bcfc1903
  • Score: 4

1:42pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
500 supporters x £1000 each = 1/2 million to buy the club. Each £1000 gets one vote. Simple supporter owned democracy. Simple.
That 1/2 million will meet the overheads shortfall for the rest of the season

Then what as the club is still losing money
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: 500 supporters x £1000 each = 1/2 million to buy the club. Each £1000 gets one vote. Simple supporter owned democracy. Simple.[/p][/quote]That 1/2 million will meet the overheads shortfall for the rest of the season Then what as the club is still losing money Andy2010
  • Score: 4

1:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Elong40 says...

To pww of idle,how do you come to the conclusion it's unions fault,talking rubbish there mate,it's a terrible situation the bulls have found themselves in,they have been badly managed for years,maybe they should fall on their sword,go down and start from scratch,the club will rise again and hopefully have better people on board to run the club
To pww of idle,how do you come to the conclusion it's unions fault,talking rubbish there mate,it's a terrible situation the bulls have found themselves in,they have been badly managed for years,maybe they should fall on their sword,go down and start from scratch,the club will rise again and hopefully have better people on board to run the club Elong40
  • Score: 6

1:56pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

UP THE BULLS wrote:
does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?
Exactly !!
This guy is all over twitter and seems to ve the publicity.

Personally I doubt he is any wealthier than Mark Moore et al.

Contrary to the tin pot businessmen posts, Moore and Calvert (can't vouch for Watt) do run successful companies and have personal wealth. Whilst they are not in the multi millionaire bracket they have been astute and you don't get to their position by chucking your money at a bottomless pit like the Bulls.

Far from being tin pot businessmen , I would say they are quite wise and are proving to be so.
[quote][p][bold]UP THE BULLS[/bold] wrote: does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?[/p][/quote]Exactly !! This guy is all over twitter and seems to ve the publicity. Personally I doubt he is any wealthier than Mark Moore et al. Contrary to the tin pot businessmen posts, Moore and Calvert (can't vouch for Watt) do run successful companies and have personal wealth. Whilst they are not in the multi millionaire bracket they have been astute and you don't get to their position by chucking your money at a bottomless pit like the Bulls. Far from being tin pot businessmen , I would say they are quite wise and are proving to be so. Mike Strutter
  • Score: -3

2:02pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
UP THE BULLS wrote:
does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?
Exactly !!
This guy is all over twitter and seems to ve the publicity.

Personally I doubt he is any wealthier than Mark Moore et al.

Contrary to the tin pot businessmen posts, Moore and Calvert (can't vouch for Watt) do run successful companies and have personal wealth. Whilst they are not in the multi millionaire bracket they have been astute and you don't get to their position by chucking your money at a bottomless pit like the Bulls.

Far from being tin pot businessmen , I would say they are quite wise and are proving to be so.
Clearly your definition of a successful businessman differs from most.

These two "success" stories went cap in hand to the RFL for a further £500k as their numbers were so off the mark. Not to mention their stance that they "didn't know" about the loans secured etc etc etc and never bothered with due diligence

Yeah really clued up weren't they. In fact the only way they have shown a tad of business knowledge is not actually putting any of their own money in
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UP THE BULLS[/bold] wrote: does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?[/p][/quote]Exactly !! This guy is all over twitter and seems to ve the publicity. Personally I doubt he is any wealthier than Mark Moore et al. Contrary to the tin pot businessmen posts, Moore and Calvert (can't vouch for Watt) do run successful companies and have personal wealth. Whilst they are not in the multi millionaire bracket they have been astute and you don't get to their position by chucking your money at a bottomless pit like the Bulls. Far from being tin pot businessmen , I would say they are quite wise and are proving to be so.[/p][/quote]Clearly your definition of a successful businessman differs from most. These two "success" stories went cap in hand to the RFL for a further £500k as their numbers were so off the mark. Not to mention their stance that they "didn't know" about the loans secured etc etc etc and never bothered with due diligence Yeah really clued up weren't they. In fact the only way they have shown a tad of business knowledge is not actually putting any of their own money in Andy2010
  • Score: 4

2:15pm Wed 26 Feb 14

hunsworthbull says...

If its Roby reffing on Sunday another 2 points gone
If its Roby reffing on Sunday another 2 points gone hunsworthbull
  • Score: -2

2:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

Andy2010 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
UP THE BULLS wrote:
does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?
Exactly !!
This guy is all over twitter and seems to ve the publicity.

Personally I doubt he is any wealthier than Mark Moore et al.

Contrary to the tin pot businessmen posts, Moore and Calvert (can't vouch for Watt) do run successful companies and have personal wealth. Whilst they are not in the multi millionaire bracket they have been astute and you don't get to their position by chucking your money at a bottomless pit like the Bulls.

Far from being tin pot businessmen , I would say they are quite wise and are proving to be so.
Clearly your definition of a successful businessman differs from most.

These two "success" stories went cap in hand to the RFL for a further £500k as their numbers were so off the mark. Not to mention their stance that they "didn't know" about the loans secured etc etc etc and never bothered with due diligence

Yeah really clued up weren't they. In fact the only way they have shown a tad of business knowledge is not actually putting any of their own money in
Their biggest mistake was taking this dog of a club on in the first place.

Yes they are successful in their own businesses, there is no doubt about it.

Let's face it, as we all know the club is not a viable business and anything short of someone coming in like Davey at Huddersfield will mean the outcome will be the same with all potential buyers including Lamb.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]UP THE BULLS[/bold] wrote: does anyone no if lamb has got any money? or just someone who can talk a good game on the radio for publicity because if he really wanted bulls wouldn't he have put a good enough bid in on Thursday or couldn't he prove he had the funds to run it on his own?[/p][/quote]Exactly !! This guy is all over twitter and seems to ve the publicity. Personally I doubt he is any wealthier than Mark Moore et al. Contrary to the tin pot businessmen posts, Moore and Calvert (can't vouch for Watt) do run successful companies and have personal wealth. Whilst they are not in the multi millionaire bracket they have been astute and you don't get to their position by chucking your money at a bottomless pit like the Bulls. Far from being tin pot businessmen , I would say they are quite wise and are proving to be so.[/p][/quote]Clearly your definition of a successful businessman differs from most. These two "success" stories went cap in hand to the RFL for a further £500k as their numbers were so off the mark. Not to mention their stance that they "didn't know" about the loans secured etc etc etc and never bothered with due diligence Yeah really clued up weren't they. In fact the only way they have shown a tad of business knowledge is not actually putting any of their own money in[/p][/quote]Their biggest mistake was taking this dog of a club on in the first place. Yes they are successful in their own businesses, there is no doubt about it. Let's face it, as we all know the club is not a viable business and anything short of someone coming in like Davey at Huddersfield will mean the outcome will be the same with all potential buyers including Lamb. Mike Strutter
  • Score: 4

3:25pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ballboy2012 says...

Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.
Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 9

4:17pm Wed 26 Feb 14

caledonia15 says...

Its now become a total farce, i am totally sick to death of this ongoing fiasco, i have followed Northern/Bulls all my life and my father before me, he would now be turning in his grave with this shambles. I don't know what the answer is, but it would appear that once a again we are up the creek without a paddle. Sadly it would appear that Rugby league is basically a bankrupt sport, without the sugar daddies at the big clubs there wouldnt be much left, if Sky ever decide to pull out then god help of us. Rugby League the greatest team game in the world run by complete idiots!
Its now become a total farce, i am totally sick to death of this ongoing fiasco, i have followed Northern/Bulls all my life and my father before me, he would now be turning in his grave with this shambles. I don't know what the answer is, but it would appear that once a again we are up the creek without a paddle. Sadly it would appear that Rugby league is basically a bankrupt sport, without the sugar daddies at the big clubs there wouldnt be much left, if Sky ever decide to pull out then god help of us. Rugby League the greatest team game in the world run by complete idiots! caledonia15
  • Score: 5

4:36pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.
Says who ? One of those free experian reports ?

How do you know what he has in his personal account ?
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.[/p][/quote]Says who ? One of those free experian reports ? How do you know what he has in his personal account ? Mike Strutter
  • Score: -3

4:43pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ballboy2012 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.
Says who ? One of those free experian reports ?

How do you know what he has in his personal account ?
Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.[/p][/quote]Says who ? One of those free experian reports ? How do you know what he has in his personal account ?[/p][/quote]Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts. Ballboy2012
  • Score: 2

5:25pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Ackersthebull says...

caledonia15 wrote:
Its now become a total farce, i am totally sick to death of this ongoing fiasco, i have followed Northern/Bulls all my life and my father before me, he would now be turning in his grave with this shambles. I don't know what the answer is, but it would appear that once a again we are up the creek without a paddle. Sadly it would appear that Rugby league is basically a bankrupt sport, without the sugar daddies at the big clubs there wouldnt be much left, if Sky ever decide to pull out then god help of us. Rugby League the greatest team game in the world run by complete idiots!
Just to add to the equation the SL clubs are discussing the golden ticket whereby a superstar can be obtained exempt from the salary cap. Great timing for Bulls and would be another handicap, whereas the mighty Salford get stronger! Also teams who do not make a signing could sell on their ticket, meaning the richer clubs get stronger still.
It's gonna be elitist, just like football
[quote][p][bold]caledonia15[/bold] wrote: Its now become a total farce, i am totally sick to death of this ongoing fiasco, i have followed Northern/Bulls all my life and my father before me, he would now be turning in his grave with this shambles. I don't know what the answer is, but it would appear that once a again we are up the creek without a paddle. Sadly it would appear that Rugby league is basically a bankrupt sport, without the sugar daddies at the big clubs there wouldnt be much left, if Sky ever decide to pull out then god help of us. Rugby League the greatest team game in the world run by complete idiots![/p][/quote]Just to add to the equation the SL clubs are discussing the golden ticket whereby a superstar can be obtained exempt from the salary cap. Great timing for Bulls and would be another handicap, whereas the mighty Salford get stronger! Also teams who do not make a signing could sell on their ticket, meaning the richer clubs get stronger still. It's gonna be elitist, just like football Ackersthebull
  • Score: 0

5:31pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.
Says who ? One of those free experian reports ?

How do you know what he has in his personal account ?
Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.
So Mr Lamb's business is only worth £400k

Ah well back to the drawing board again
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.[/p][/quote]Says who ? One of those free experian reports ? How do you know what he has in his personal account ?[/p][/quote]Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.[/p][/quote]So Mr Lamb's business is only worth £400k Ah well back to the drawing board again Andy2010
  • Score: 3

6:19pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Bullcity says...

Despite all the speculation re Bulls 2014 we will never know the whole story of the withdrawal of the bid.
One thing for sure if Mr Lamb can sort out the debt we can go forward at least with a chance of staying in Super League.
I believe if we have a team the Bradford public will support them as there is such a history of Rugby League in the City .
That is the situation at the moment and seems like our only hope.
I salute the existing staff players and coaches who have shown great composure & dignity throughout all the trouble.
Despite all the speculation re Bulls 2014 we will never know the whole story of the withdrawal of the bid. One thing for sure if Mr Lamb can sort out the debt we can go forward at least with a chance of staying in Super League. I believe if we have a team the Bradford public will support them as there is such a history of Rugby League in the City . That is the situation at the moment and seems like our only hope. I salute the existing staff players and coaches who have shown great composure & dignity throughout all the trouble. Bullcity
  • Score: 0

6:41pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.
Says who ? One of those free experian reports ?

How do you know what he has in his personal account ?
Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.
.......true but companies house doesn't tell you he could have a million quid in his personal bank account.

Unless you have done a full check which I doubt then you can't see his submitted accounts, including full P&L

You might get records on my company that says it's worth 100k but you ain't got a clue what I've paid myself ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.[/p][/quote]Says who ? One of those free experian reports ? How do you know what he has in his personal account ?[/p][/quote]Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.[/p][/quote].......true but companies house doesn't tell you he could have a million quid in his personal bank account. Unless you have done a full check which I doubt then you can't see his submitted accounts, including full P&L You might get records on my company that says it's worth 100k but you ain't got a clue what I've paid myself ;-) Mike Strutter
  • Score: -4

6:47pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

Bullcity wrote:
Despite all the speculation re Bulls 2014 we will never know the whole story of the withdrawal of the bid.
One thing for sure if Mr Lamb can sort out the debt we can go forward at least with a chance of staying in Super League.
I believe if we have a team the Bradford public will support them as there is such a history of Rugby League in the City .
That is the situation at the moment and seems like our only hope.
I salute the existing staff players and coaches who have shown great composure & dignity throughout all the trouble.
No offence but I remember the bulls fans welcoming OK with open arms.

I repeat the Bulls is not a viable business, Moore and the others tried their best to make it self sufficient and then the realisation dawned that it wasn't happening, the Sky money issue not helping.

The sums just don't add up, only 13 home games and a massive payroll, you can't top it up solely with receipts from functions in the coral stand.

Lamb I'm afraid will be no different.

You need a fan with shed loads of money who is prepared to lose quite a bit of it because as I said it is not a viable business
[quote][p][bold]Bullcity[/bold] wrote: Despite all the speculation re Bulls 2014 we will never know the whole story of the withdrawal of the bid. One thing for sure if Mr Lamb can sort out the debt we can go forward at least with a chance of staying in Super League. I believe if we have a team the Bradford public will support them as there is such a history of Rugby League in the City . That is the situation at the moment and seems like our only hope. I salute the existing staff players and coaches who have shown great composure & dignity throughout all the trouble.[/p][/quote]No offence but I remember the bulls fans welcoming OK with open arms. I repeat the Bulls is not a viable business, Moore and the others tried their best to make it self sufficient and then the realisation dawned that it wasn't happening, the Sky money issue not helping. The sums just don't add up, only 13 home games and a massive payroll, you can't top it up solely with receipts from functions in the coral stand. Lamb I'm afraid will be no different. You need a fan with shed loads of money who is prepared to lose quite a bit of it because as I said it is not a viable business Mike Strutter
  • Score: 4

6:54pm Wed 26 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Stevie-C wrote:
bullybullman wrote:
Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games.

The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin.

London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league.
The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game.

It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.
Think you need to look at your sums again - first away game of season last week at Wakey, and we took 400-500 max? the days we took 2500 supporters to an away game are long gone
We were allowed 500 tickets for Wakefield due to problems at their ground. Also, it was on the television,
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games. The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin. London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league. The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game. It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.[/p][/quote]Think you need to look at your sums again - first away game of season last week at Wakey, and we took 400-500 max? the days we took 2500 supporters to an away game are long gone[/p][/quote]We were allowed 500 tickets for Wakefield due to problems at their ground. Also, it was on the television, raisemeup
  • Score: -1

7:34pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

bullybullman wrote:
Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games.

The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin.

London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league.
The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game.

It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.
What a crock

How many games do you " take on average 2500 away supporters to" ?
[quote][p][bold]bullybullman[/bold] wrote: Bradford Bulls are a well supported club we take on average 2500 away supporters to games. This will mean that every club will lose around £50000 per season in revenue from the Bulls travelling army. Halifax have been revving up for another chance in super league but what will they bring to the party ? average gates of 1000 with around 250 travelling to away games. The loss of Bradford is enormous to every club in Super league with he exception of London & Catalans. This is the difference between us and other clubs that have gone into Admin. London do not deserve to be in Super league poor support & nobody is interested in League south of Sheffield. Bradford Bulls is a massive brand and has massive support this will rock the whole of super league. The RFL talk of honesty & being equal so what about London & Catalans they have had unfair advantages for years points deduction is fine but limit it to 2 max 4 points & allow us to buy players in to survive in the interest of the game. It is suggested now by some that we make a protest & boycott the next away game as supporters to show the RFL what the loss of Bradford means. The club should open up the bar & show the game live in the coral stand generate so revenue.[/p][/quote]What a crock How many games do you " take on average 2500 away supporters to" ? Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 1

7:35pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

This really pushed me to a rage of seething. So the loan from the council was guaranteed? It doesn't look like it so Dave Green might want to explain a few things in the paper.

“Indeed there is a liability to HMRC for £170,000 that will be unpaid as a result of the administration and the Council are also looking at a loss of £200,000."
This really pushed me to a rage of seething. So the loan from the council was guaranteed? It doesn't look like it so Dave Green might want to explain a few things in the paper. “Indeed there is a liability to HMRC for £170,000 that will be unpaid as a result of the administration and the Council are also looking at a loss of £200,000." Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 3

7:49pm Wed 26 Feb 14

grizzly4578 says...

Halifax have been trying to get in super league
knocked back every time for lame reasons
6 million stand club solvent youth structure
crowds not brill but teams in our league lost hope due to stupid franchise
fans would flock back if we return to super league
maybe ones that naffed off to odsal when we was relegated will come back
rip bulls come on the fax
Halifax have been trying to get in super league knocked back every time for lame reasons 6 million stand club solvent youth structure crowds not brill but teams in our league lost hope due to stupid franchise fans would flock back if we return to super league maybe ones that naffed off to odsal when we was relegated will come back rip bulls come on the fax grizzly4578
  • Score: 5

10:58pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

grizzly4578 wrote:
Halifax have been trying to get in super league
knocked back every time for lame reasons
6 million stand club solvent youth structure
crowds not brill but teams in our league lost hope due to stupid franchise
fans would flock back if we return to super league
maybe ones that naffed off to odsal when we was relegated will come back
rip bulls come on the fax
Just checked an old copy of Rothmans RL review. despite winning the league in 1985/86 they only averaged 4944 gates, then 4891 in 86/87 when they won the challenge cup!!! and 6521 in 87/88 when they were runners up. 8022 in 88/89, then down to 5921 in 89/90. At the start of SL they were getting just 5600 per game. Halifax has never had enough support to sustain a full time SL club. If the Bulls struggle with" low gates" of 7500 How will Halifax be any better when 7500 would be one of their higher gates.

Personally the whole game in dyeing and needs a massive shake up. Halifax, Bfd and Keighley should merge and be based at Halifax with some games at valley Parade. We would have enough amateur teams to pick future players from and a wider area to draw sponsors from. The same thing is true in the Wakefield/Castleford and Featherstone area. Hull and Hull KR, Widnes and Warrington. Cumbria. Sheffield and Doncaster. Salford/Rochdale/Swi
nton and Oldham. Hudds/ Dewsbury and Batley. Wigan, Saints and Leeds are probably big enough to go on their own.

The money should be divided up with each existing SL club getting £1m and and an extra £500,000 for each additional club. Halifax/Bfd/Kly would get £2m. Hull and Hull KR would get £1.5m. Leeds and Wigan just £1m. This would soften the blow for the merged clubs. Can't really see a problem. We would produce three kits per season and supporters could buy a red amber and black one or a Blue and white one. Exactly as we are doing at present! Hull FC and Rovers would have a red and white kit and a black and white one.

Or we could just carry on as we are, with our top clubs needing a sugar daddy to support them whilst our smaller clubs just become feeder clubs with no future
[quote][p][bold]grizzly4578[/bold] wrote: Halifax have been trying to get in super league knocked back every time for lame reasons 6 million stand club solvent youth structure crowds not brill but teams in our league lost hope due to stupid franchise fans would flock back if we return to super league maybe ones that naffed off to odsal when we was relegated will come back rip bulls come on the fax[/p][/quote]Just checked an old copy of Rothmans RL review. despite winning the league in 1985/86 they only averaged 4944 gates, then 4891 in 86/87 when they won the challenge cup!!! and 6521 in 87/88 when they were runners up. 8022 in 88/89, then down to 5921 in 89/90. At the start of SL they were getting just 5600 per game. Halifax has never had enough support to sustain a full time SL club. If the Bulls struggle with" low gates" of 7500 How will Halifax be any better when 7500 would be one of their higher gates. Personally the whole game in dyeing and needs a massive shake up. Halifax, Bfd and Keighley should merge and be based at Halifax with some games at valley Parade. We would have enough amateur teams to pick future players from and a wider area to draw sponsors from. The same thing is true in the Wakefield/Castleford and Featherstone area. Hull and Hull KR, Widnes and Warrington. Cumbria. Sheffield and Doncaster. Salford/Rochdale/Swi nton and Oldham. Hudds/ Dewsbury and Batley. Wigan, Saints and Leeds are probably big enough to go on their own. The money should be divided up with each existing SL club getting £1m and and an extra £500,000 for each additional club. Halifax/Bfd/Kly would get £2m. Hull and Hull KR would get £1.5m. Leeds and Wigan just £1m. This would soften the blow for the merged clubs. Can't really see a problem. We would produce three kits per season and supporters could buy a red amber and black one or a Blue and white one. Exactly as we are doing at present! Hull FC and Rovers would have a red and white kit and a black and white one. Or we could just carry on as we are, with our top clubs needing a sugar daddy to support them whilst our smaller clubs just become feeder clubs with no future bradfordbronco
  • Score: 2

11:00pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

grizzly4578 wrote:
Halifax have been trying to get in super league
knocked back every time for lame reasons
6 million stand club solvent youth structure
crowds not brill but teams in our league lost hope due to stupid franchise
fans would flock back if we return to super league
maybe ones that naffed off to odsal when we was relegated will come back
rip bulls come on the fax
Just checked an old copy of Rothmans RL review. despite winning the league in 1985/86 they only averaged 4944 gates, then 4891 in 86/87 when they won the challenge cup!!! and 6521 in 87/88 when they were runners up. 8022 in 88/89, then down to 5921 in 89/90. At the start of SL they were getting just 5600 per game. Halifax has never had enough support to sustain a full time SL club. If the Bulls struggle with" low gates" of 7500 How will Halifax be any better when 7500 would be one of their higher gates.

Personally the whole game in dying and needs a massive shake up. Halifax, Bfd and Keighley should merge and be based at Halifax with some games at valley Parade. We would have enough amateur teams to pick future players from and a wider area to draw sponsors from. The same thing is true in the Wakefield/Castleford and Featherstone area. Hull and Hull KR, Widnes and Warrington. Cumbria. Sheffield and Doncaster. Salford/Rochdale/Swi
nton and Oldham. Hudds/ Dewsbury and Batley. Wigan, Saints and Leeds are probably big enough to go on their own.

The money should be divided up with each existing SL club getting £1m and and an extra £500,000 for each additional club. Halifax/Bfd/Kly would get £2m. Hull and Hull KR would get £1.5m. Leeds and Wigan just £1m. This would soften the blow for the merged clubs. Can't really see a problem. We would produce three kits per season and supporters could buy a red amber and black one or a Blue and white one. Exactly as we are doing at present! Hull FC and Rovers would have a red and white kit and a black and white one.

Or we could just carry on as we are, with our top clubs needing a sugar daddy to support them whilst our smaller clubs just become feeder clubs with no future
[quote][p][bold]grizzly4578[/bold] wrote: Halifax have been trying to get in super league knocked back every time for lame reasons 6 million stand club solvent youth structure crowds not brill but teams in our league lost hope due to stupid franchise fans would flock back if we return to super league maybe ones that naffed off to odsal when we was relegated will come back rip bulls come on the fax[/p][/quote]Just checked an old copy of Rothmans RL review. despite winning the league in 1985/86 they only averaged 4944 gates, then 4891 in 86/87 when they won the challenge cup!!! and 6521 in 87/88 when they were runners up. 8022 in 88/89, then down to 5921 in 89/90. At the start of SL they were getting just 5600 per game. Halifax has never had enough support to sustain a full time SL club. If the Bulls struggle with" low gates" of 7500 How will Halifax be any better when 7500 would be one of their higher gates. Personally the whole game in dying and needs a massive shake up. Halifax, Bfd and Keighley should merge and be based at Halifax with some games at valley Parade. We would have enough amateur teams to pick future players from and a wider area to draw sponsors from. The same thing is true in the Wakefield/Castleford and Featherstone area. Hull and Hull KR, Widnes and Warrington. Cumbria. Sheffield and Doncaster. Salford/Rochdale/Swi nton and Oldham. Hudds/ Dewsbury and Batley. Wigan, Saints and Leeds are probably big enough to go on their own. The money should be divided up with each existing SL club getting £1m and and an extra £500,000 for each additional club. Halifax/Bfd/Kly would get £2m. Hull and Hull KR would get £1.5m. Leeds and Wigan just £1m. This would soften the blow for the merged clubs. Can't really see a problem. We would produce three kits per season and supporters could buy a red amber and black one or a Blue and white one. Exactly as we are doing at present! Hull FC and Rovers would have a red and white kit and a black and white one. Or we could just carry on as we are, with our top clubs needing a sugar daddy to support them whilst our smaller clubs just become feeder clubs with no future bradfordbronco
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11:02pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Raj2121 says...

Close the club down and make something else there, its not going to work
Close the club down and make something else there, its not going to work Raj2121
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10:01am Thu 27 Feb 14

grizzly4578 says...

to Bradford bronco don't agree at all
cas survive in super league as do wakefield on similar crowds
and both clubs only spend half salary cap cos of debts
plus both have dire grounds and fax not millions in debt
the time has come hrlc for super league
to Bradford bronco don't agree at all cas survive in super league as do wakefield on similar crowds and both clubs only spend half salary cap cos of debts plus both have dire grounds and fax not millions in debt the time has come hrlc for super league grizzly4578
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12:27pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Andy2010 says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Ballboy2012 wrote:
Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.
Says who ? One of those free experian reports ?

How do you know what he has in his personal account ?
Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.
.......true but companies house doesn't tell you he could have a million quid in his personal bank account.

Unless you have done a full check which I doubt then you can't see his submitted accounts, including full P&L

You might get records on my company that says it's worth 100k but you ain't got a clue what I've paid myself ;-)
If its Ltd which Mr Lamb's company is then yes you can

Just check the Salary and Dividend payouts
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ballboy2012[/bold] wrote: Mr Moores BEDZRUS LIMITED is worth 80k, just a chancer trying to buy bulls with season ticket money.[/p][/quote]Says who ? One of those free experian reports ? How do you know what he has in his personal account ?[/p][/quote]Bedzrus Limited has a value of 80K according to companies house. Cannot dispute companies house records. Our company use a company check service to vet all new clients and very easy to check out any company you like. Mr Lamb's company The Lucid group is worth 400k of which he has 50% stake. He does have interest in the world cup hospitality company yet to file accounts.[/p][/quote].......true but companies house doesn't tell you he could have a million quid in his personal bank account. Unless you have done a full check which I doubt then you can't see his submitted accounts, including full P&L You might get records on my company that says it's worth 100k but you ain't got a clue what I've paid myself ;-)[/p][/quote]If its Ltd which Mr Lamb's company is then yes you can Just check the Salary and Dividend payouts Andy2010
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