This is One tough league, says Bradford City manager Phil Parkinson

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: I SALUTE YOU: Phil Parkinson thanks the City fans after the 1-0 home win over MK Dons I SALUTE YOU: Phil Parkinson thanks the City fans after the 1-0 home win over MK Dons

Phil Parkinson believes this season’s League One is the hardest it has ever been.

Successive home wins have pulled City out of a worrying nosedive and bolstered their mid-table position.

With another Valley Parade game against struggling Stevenage on Saturday, the Bantams have another opportunity to put further distance between themselves and the relegation dogfight.

Parkinson, who watched their next opponents last night, has already warned against thinking the job is done because he knows the quality of the division.

“I’ve said it all along, even when we had the good start, that this division is as strong as it’s been for a number of years. You speak to other managers and they all say the same.

“Last season you had Doncaster going up with Yeovil and Bournemouth. Look at those three teams and compare them with the clubs this year, then it does look a stronger division across the board.”

Parkinson marked his 11th anniversary in management yesterday and this is his eighth campaign in the third tier. He also played a lot of his career at this level for Reading and Bury.

The City chief added: “Obviously it’s a division I’ve been in many times as a manager and a player so I’m a pretty good judge.

“Teams have got more scouts and more resources to use to analyse you as a team. We understand that and constantly talk to the lads about it on the training ground.

“We tell them what they have to expect and how teams are likely to react in situations. You have got to be prepared for that.

“We know we can’t just turn up at a game, have seven players play well and expect to win. That’s just not going to happen.”

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8:21am Wed 26 Feb 14

Plastic Bantam says...

Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!! Plastic Bantam

8:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

tyker7745 says...

THIS IS TOUGH THEN WHAT WLL THE NEXT HIHER DIVISION BE LIKE
THIS IS TOUGH THEN WHAT WLL THE NEXT HIHER DIVISION BE LIKE tyker7745

8:52am Wed 26 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Plastic Bantam wrote:
Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!![/p][/quote]I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression. Farsley Bantam

9:02am Wed 26 Feb 14

Freddy says...

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I feel this Season is one to find out the strengths, and weaknesses, of all the teams in League 1. City ,being newcomers, are finding out just what is required.
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The players in the current squad, are finding out just what is needed.
The players need to improve their attitudes, desires, and abilities. In the Summer ( Closed Period ). There will be those deemed not good enough for League 1.
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' Parky ' will have to move some players out of the Club. Also, bring in players that are not only League 1 players. But have the potential to achieve promotion to the Championship. I hope there will be sufficient funds, to allow 'Parky' the scope he will need, to build a new squad.
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The present squad need to prove their capabilities now. To ensure their continued contracts are maintained or renewed for next season.
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Saturday is an 'FA Cup' type of match. Where one team is fighting for survival etc. They can be " Banana -Skin " games for City. But the team that plays, need to prove that they are good enough to be retained, for next season, and beyond.
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* I feel this Season is one to find out the strengths, and weaknesses, of all the teams in League 1. City ,being newcomers, are finding out just what is required. * The players in the current squad, are finding out just what is needed. The players need to improve their attitudes, desires, and abilities. In the Summer ( Closed Period ). There will be those deemed not good enough for League 1. * ' Parky ' will have to move some players out of the Club. Also, bring in players that are not only League 1 players. But have the potential to achieve promotion to the Championship. I hope there will be sufficient funds, to allow 'Parky' the scope he will need, to build a new squad. * The present squad need to prove their capabilities now. To ensure their continued contracts are maintained or renewed for next season. * Saturday is an 'FA Cup' type of match. Where one team is fighting for survival etc. They can be " Banana -Skin " games for City. But the team that plays, need to prove that they are good enough to be retained, for next season, and beyond. * Freddy

9:03am Wed 26 Feb 14

macca1969 says...

tyker7745 wrote:
THIS IS TOUGH THEN WHAT WLL THE NEXT HIHER DIVISION BE LIKE
That's why its probably better in the long term to let the grow and strengthen before promotion. Go too early and we will be straight back down with players on more money. Laying foundations takes longer but will yield a much brighter future for all concerned at VP. Keep up the good work Parky
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: THIS IS TOUGH THEN WHAT WLL THE NEXT HIHER DIVISION BE LIKE[/p][/quote]That's why its probably better in the long term to let the grow and strengthen before promotion. Go too early and we will be straight back down with players on more money. Laying foundations takes longer but will yield a much brighter future for all concerned at VP. Keep up the good work Parky macca1969

9:07am Wed 26 Feb 14

Plastic Bantam says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.
Some people clearly don't appreciate a bit of humour on this site! Glad you saw the funny side of it FB haha
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!![/p][/quote]I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.[/p][/quote]Some people clearly don't appreciate a bit of humour on this site! Glad you saw the funny side of it FB haha Plastic Bantam

9:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

Michael Clayton says...

Which is why points gained in 23 out of 32 matches is an outstanding effort despite some of the scummy remarks on here.
Which is why points gained in 23 out of 32 matches is an outstanding effort despite some of the scummy remarks on here. Michael Clayton

9:43am Wed 26 Feb 14

albioff says...

"seven players playing well" so not refering to us then!
"seven players playing well" so not refering to us then! albioff

10:11am Wed 26 Feb 14

rinkydink says...

Its a tough league and we have still only lost 9 in 32.. that's not bad going.
Ok we could have done with those 14 draws having some more wins in them, but Mid table finish is a great result.

Plus we could have a vital say in the play off positions with us having Peterborough, Swindon and Rotherham all in a row.
Its a tough league and we have still only lost 9 in 32.. that's not bad going. Ok we could have done with those 14 draws having some more wins in them, but Mid table finish is a great result. Plus we could have a vital say in the play off positions with us having Peterborough, Swindon and Rotherham all in a row. rinkydink

10:16am Wed 26 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Parkinson makes a very good point, obviously it is a very strong league this season and Stevenage fighting for their lives will be another very hard game. Anything less than the application shown against Port Vale and MK Dons will not get the job done.

If the crowd are up for the Stevenage game as they have been for most games this season, that will be a big help, but ultimately it's down to the players, they perform and everything else falls into place. Stevenage's game plan, frustrate, time waste, nick a goal then more of the same, so more than ever with games like this BCFC scoring first would throw a big spanner into Stevenage's game plan 'works'. I'm guessing this game wont be pretty or for the faint hearted.
Parkinson makes a very good point, obviously it is a very strong league this season and Stevenage fighting for their lives will be another very hard game. Anything less than the application shown against Port Vale and MK Dons will not get the job done. If the crowd are up for the Stevenage game as they have been for most games this season, that will be a big help, but ultimately it's down to the players, they perform and everything else falls into place. Stevenage's game plan, frustrate, time waste, nick a goal then more of the same, so more than ever with games like this BCFC scoring first would throw a big spanner into Stevenage's game plan 'works'. I'm guessing this game wont be pretty or for the faint hearted. bcfc1903

10:23am Wed 26 Feb 14

Peter300 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote:
Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.
Not wanting Phil sacked this morning Farsley? You and the other vociferous Parkinson critics cannot fail to have noticed that Alan Connell is at the moment back to watching games from the bench. Alan has spent a lot of time on the bench at Swindon, City and, for the moment, now at Northampton. Alan is a good player, but he cannot hold down regular starting place in a league side. Well, for the past three seasons anyway. Managers value Alan, but not it seems starting games.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!![/p][/quote]I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.[/p][/quote]Not wanting Phil sacked this morning Farsley? You and the other vociferous Parkinson critics cannot fail to have noticed that Alan Connell is at the moment back to watching games from the bench. Alan has spent a lot of time on the bench at Swindon, City and, for the moment, now at Northampton. Alan is a good player, but he cannot hold down regular starting place in a league side. Well, for the past three seasons anyway. Managers value Alan, but not it seems starting games. Peter300

10:26am Wed 26 Feb 14

Peter300 says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote:
Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.
Farsley's made it absolutely clear he does not want Phil Parkinson as City manager. So who exactly is your choice Farsley? Please tell me who should it should be?
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!![/p][/quote]I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.[/p][/quote]Farsley's made it absolutely clear he does not want Phil Parkinson as City manager. So who exactly is your choice Farsley? Please tell me who should it should be? Peter300

10:32am Wed 26 Feb 14

Peter300 says...

macca1969 wrote:
tyker7745 wrote:
THIS IS TOUGH THEN WHAT WLL THE NEXT HIHER DIVISION BE LIKE
That's why its probably better in the long term to let the grow and strengthen before promotion. Go too early and we will be straight back down with players on more money. Laying foundations takes longer but will yield a much brighter future for all concerned at VP. Keep up the good work Parky
Sounds sensible. However, this kind of philosophy is wasted on Farsley Bantam and those with a similar mindset. You would never let these people manage a football team or set out a vision for the club. David Baldwin spelled it out. Sustainable progress.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: THIS IS TOUGH THEN WHAT WLL THE NEXT HIHER DIVISION BE LIKE[/p][/quote]That's why its probably better in the long term to let the grow and strengthen before promotion. Go too early and we will be straight back down with players on more money. Laying foundations takes longer but will yield a much brighter future for all concerned at VP. Keep up the good work Parky[/p][/quote]Sounds sensible. However, this kind of philosophy is wasted on Farsley Bantam and those with a similar mindset. You would never let these people manage a football team or set out a vision for the club. David Baldwin spelled it out. Sustainable progress. Peter300

10:33am Wed 26 Feb 14

Plastic Bantam says...

Peter300 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.
Farsley's made it absolutely clear he does not want Phil Parkinson as City manager. So who exactly is your choice Farsley? Please tell me who should it should be?
What are you banging on about?!?! you're like a crazy homeless drunk just rambling nonsense in the middle of shipley town centre!!!
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!![/p][/quote]I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.[/p][/quote]Farsley's made it absolutely clear he does not want Phil Parkinson as City manager. So who exactly is your choice Farsley? Please tell me who should it should be?[/p][/quote]What are you banging on about?!?! you're like a crazy homeless drunk just rambling nonsense in the middle of shipley town centre!!! Plastic Bantam

10:45am Wed 26 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Plastic Bantam wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Plastic Bantam wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!!
I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.
Farsley's made it absolutely clear he does not want Phil Parkinson as City manager. So who exactly is your choice Farsley? Please tell me who should it should be?
What are you banging on about?!?! you're like a crazy homeless drunk just rambling nonsense in the middle of shipley town centre!!!
He's always like this.
He often has some valid points but it's over shaddowed by these mindless ramblings.
I can't decide if he's a troll, a wind up merchant or mentally ill. He knows full well that I've never called for PP's head and I spent the last few weeks defending his position.
[quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Plastic Bantam[/bold] wrote: Looks like Parky is auditioning to be in a musical. Or trying to get the Kop to take part in footballs biggest flash mob!![/p][/quote]I though it was his 'Freddy at Live Aid' impression.[/p][/quote]Farsley's made it absolutely clear he does not want Phil Parkinson as City manager. So who exactly is your choice Farsley? Please tell me who should it should be?[/p][/quote]What are you banging on about?!?! you're like a crazy homeless drunk just rambling nonsense in the middle of shipley town centre!!![/p][/quote]He's always like this. He often has some valid points but it's over shaddowed by these mindless ramblings. I can't decide if he's a troll, a wind up merchant or mentally ill. He knows full well that I've never called for PP's head and I spent the last few weeks defending his position. Farsley Bantam

12:36pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Victor Clayton says...

it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it. Victor Clayton

12:53pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Farsley Bantam says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
PETER!!! PETER!!!
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]PETER!!! PETER!!! Farsley Bantam

12:57pm Wed 26 Feb 14

yorkiebantam says...

I don't usually get involved in the mindless attacks on fellow supporters as I am with the "everyone" is entitled to their own opinion" brigade. I must come to Farsley's support here though, he argued against a number of critical posts just before the double win when Parky admitted he was under pressure. This is a tough league and survival for another push next year would be a decent result.
Lawny has already promised sufficient budget for a competitive squad and I am sure Parky will push us on again, CTID
I don't usually get involved in the mindless attacks on fellow supporters as I am with the "everyone" is entitled to their own opinion" brigade. I must come to Farsley's support here though, he argued against a number of critical posts just before the double win when Parky admitted he was under pressure. This is a tough league and survival for another push next year would be a decent result. Lawny has already promised sufficient budget for a competitive squad and I am sure Parky will push us on again, CTID yorkiebantam

1:00pm Wed 26 Feb 14

yorkiebantam says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again. yorkiebantam

1:40pm Wed 26 Feb 14

Victor Clayton says...

yorkiebantam wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.
IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.
[quote][p][bold]yorkiebantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.[/p][/quote]IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you. Victor Clayton

2:09pm Wed 26 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

Victor Clayton wrote:
yorkiebantam wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.
IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.
Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.
[quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiebantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.[/p][/quote]IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.[/p][/quote]Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice. bcfc1903

2:32pm Wed 26 Feb 14

whisky1 says...

PP has to play to our strengths..and with Hans such a potent threat he has little choice but to play a direct game with two widemen. "Two old a slow" is a pretty simplistic analysis!
PP has to play to our strengths..and with Hans such a potent threat he has little choice but to play a direct game with two widemen. "Two old a slow" is a pretty simplistic analysis! whisky1

12:13am Thu 27 Feb 14

diffident says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
yorkiebantam wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.
IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.
Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.
Most teams like to play a bit of football. They'll have a skilful forward that scores goals and happen a skilful playmaker in midfield that he can link up with in and around the box and a tidy winger, maybe two, with a bit of pace that can join in. When all else fails they'll get a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Unfortunately we get the ball forward quickly from the start and when teams cope with it we haven't got the players to create an opening. Deal with Hanson, double up on Reach and we offer practically nothing. But hey, we're doing ok in a higher division and consolidation is paramount. I just hope Parky can bring in the right players and get us to the next level.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiebantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.[/p][/quote]IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.[/p][/quote]Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.[/p][/quote]Most teams like to play a bit of football. They'll have a skilful forward that scores goals and happen a skilful playmaker in midfield that he can link up with in and around the box and a tidy winger, maybe two, with a bit of pace that can join in. When all else fails they'll get a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Unfortunately we get the ball forward quickly from the start and when teams cope with it we haven't got the players to create an opening. Deal with Hanson, double up on Reach and we offer practically nothing. But hey, we're doing ok in a higher division and consolidation is paramount. I just hope Parky can bring in the right players and get us to the next level. diffident

10:05am Thu 27 Feb 14

Waynus1971 says...

I like this simplistic view that, at the start of the season we were playing a passing game and getting results but have chosen to no go long-ball and it isn't working!

Isn't it a fact that when players are struggling for form, they don't want to be in possession of the ball for too long. Isn't it also a fact that out of form players do tend to hoof it rather than control and look for a pass? Plus, when morale is fragile, players tend to just do the basics instead of trying anything different.

We hit a sticky patch and although we were playing decent football, the results stopped. We had lost key players and some of the lads clearly took a knock to their confidence. As a result, we probably played the long-ball too much. However, with Jones and Doyle starting to want the ball again, they do try to keep the ball moving, even if that means going sideways or backwards.

But for some, even that is too negative!!!!
I like this simplistic view that, at the start of the season we were playing a passing game and getting results but have chosen to no go long-ball and it isn't working! Isn't it a fact that when players are struggling for form, they don't want to be in possession of the ball for too long. Isn't it also a fact that out of form players do tend to hoof it rather than control and look for a pass? Plus, when morale is fragile, players tend to just do the basics instead of trying anything different. We hit a sticky patch and although we were playing decent football, the results stopped. We had lost key players and some of the lads clearly took a knock to their confidence. As a result, we probably played the long-ball too much. However, with Jones and Doyle starting to want the ball again, they do try to keep the ball moving, even if that means going sideways or backwards. But for some, even that is too negative!!!! Waynus1971

11:23am Thu 27 Feb 14

Victor Clayton says...

I was listening to talk sport last week and they were talking about the long ball (West Ham) and they were saying that there is nothing wrong with it as long as you have players running beyond the target man. We have one man doing this, and since Wells left it hasn’t worked.
I am all for trying to keep possession, working the ball, probing the opposition etc. but mostly it looks like we are just going through the motions of working the ball out to the wing. And even when there is a gapping hole down the middle no one (except maybe Bennett) moving in to it. Or even worse we pass it around for a bit until it gets to McArdle!

at nil nil in the second half of the Crewe game there was some nice play on the right (Thomo I think) and a nice cross to the back post came in. our 2 striker rushed toward goal but the ball fell to Reach at the back post. He cushioned headed it right on to the edge of the area. It was a dream for a central midfield player to run on to. However both Jones and Doyle had stopped and the chance went begging. Would this have happened at Rotherham? I don’t think so. Jones was immense in that game but at 36 how much can he be expected to do. He should be the one sweeping behind a younger player. Playing Doyle is too negative and should be reserved for away games, maybe with a line up similar to the one that finished the Dons game.
I was listening to talk sport last week and they were talking about the long ball (West Ham) and they were saying that there is nothing wrong with it as long as you have players running beyond the target man. We have one man doing this, and since Wells left it hasn’t worked. I am all for trying to keep possession, working the ball, probing the opposition etc. but mostly it looks like we are just going through the motions of working the ball out to the wing. And even when there is a gapping hole down the middle no one (except maybe Bennett) moving in to it. Or even worse we pass it around for a bit until it gets to McArdle! at nil nil in the second half of the Crewe game there was some nice play on the right (Thomo I think) and a nice cross to the back post came in. our 2 striker rushed toward goal but the ball fell to Reach at the back post. He cushioned headed it right on to the edge of the area. It was a dream for a central midfield player to run on to. However both Jones and Doyle had stopped and the chance went begging. Would this have happened at Rotherham? I don’t think so. Jones was immense in that game but at 36 how much can he be expected to do. He should be the one sweeping behind a younger player. Playing Doyle is too negative and should be reserved for away games, maybe with a line up similar to the one that finished the Dons game. Victor Clayton

1:09pm Thu 27 Feb 14

bcfc1903 says...

diffident wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
yorkiebantam wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.
IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.
Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.
Most teams like to play a bit of football. They'll have a skilful forward that scores goals and happen a skilful playmaker in midfield that he can link up with in and around the box and a tidy winger, maybe two, with a bit of pace that can join in. When all else fails they'll get a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Unfortunately we get the ball forward quickly from the start and when teams cope with it we haven't got the players to create an opening. Deal with Hanson, double up on Reach and we offer practically nothing. But hey, we're doing ok in a higher division and consolidation is paramount. I just hope Parky can bring in the right players and get us to the next level.
I think while ever you play two wingers in home games the central midfielders tend to not over extend themselves, add to this the fact that most teams coming to Valley Parade play with a single striker and five in midfield tends to lead to conservatism in central midfield, when faced with 442 formations BCFC's central midfield duo do a very good job and a more than adequate job when outnumbered. McArdle is a fine defender and I'm glad he's not **** about trying to play out of defence which at this level rarely works and is basically not what he's there to do, McArdle and Davies form a fine central defensive partnership.

I would have gone for Dean Furman in January as a great addition to our central midfield options but I do believe on present form Gary Jones is worth another year come contract negotiations in June, I'd also be looking at bringing in Furman to bolster that area if Doyle decides to go elsewhere.
[quote][p][bold]diffident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiebantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.[/p][/quote]IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.[/p][/quote]Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.[/p][/quote]Most teams like to play a bit of football. They'll have a skilful forward that scores goals and happen a skilful playmaker in midfield that he can link up with in and around the box and a tidy winger, maybe two, with a bit of pace that can join in. When all else fails they'll get a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Unfortunately we get the ball forward quickly from the start and when teams cope with it we haven't got the players to create an opening. Deal with Hanson, double up on Reach and we offer practically nothing. But hey, we're doing ok in a higher division and consolidation is paramount. I just hope Parky can bring in the right players and get us to the next level.[/p][/quote]I think while ever you play two wingers in home games the central midfielders tend to not over extend themselves, add to this the fact that most teams coming to Valley Parade play with a single striker and five in midfield tends to lead to conservatism in central midfield, when faced with 442 formations BCFC's central midfield duo do a very good job and a more than adequate job when outnumbered. McArdle is a fine defender and I'm glad he's not **** about trying to play out of defence which at this level rarely works and is basically not what he's there to do, McArdle and Davies form a fine central defensive partnership. I would have gone for Dean Furman in January as a great addition to our central midfield options but I do believe on present form Gary Jones is worth another year come contract negotiations in June, I'd also be looking at bringing in Furman to bolster that area if Doyle decides to go elsewhere. bcfc1903

1:53pm Thu 27 Feb 14

Victor Clayton says...

bcfc1903 wrote:
diffident wrote:
bcfc1903 wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote:
yorkiebantam wrote:
Victor Clayton wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.
That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.
IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.
Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.
Most teams like to play a bit of football. They'll have a skilful forward that scores goals and happen a skilful playmaker in midfield that he can link up with in and around the box and a tidy winger, maybe two, with a bit of pace that can join in. When all else fails they'll get a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Unfortunately we get the ball forward quickly from the start and when teams cope with it we haven't got the players to create an opening. Deal with Hanson, double up on Reach and we offer practically nothing. But hey, we're doing ok in a higher division and consolidation is paramount. I just hope Parky can bring in the right players and get us to the next level.
I think while ever you play two wingers in home games the central midfielders tend to not over extend themselves, add to this the fact that most teams coming to Valley Parade play with a single striker and five in midfield tends to lead to conservatism in central midfield, when faced with 442 formations BCFC's central midfield duo do a very good job and a more than adequate job when outnumbered. McArdle is a fine defender and I'm glad he's not **** about trying to play out of defence which at this level rarely works and is basically not what he's there to do, McArdle and Davies form a fine central defensive partnership. I would have gone for Dean Furman in January as a great addition to our central midfield options but I do believe on present form Gary Jones is worth another year come contract negotiations in June, I'd also be looking at bringing in Furman to bolster that area if Doyle decides to go elsewhere.
OK, so will Doyle playing just in front of the defenders and Jones running around like a 20 year old we wont concede many. but not going to stretch teams and will always be a struggle to score. fingers crossed for more 1-0 s.
[quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]diffident[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bcfc1903[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yorkiebantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Victor Clayton[/bold] wrote: it is a very hard league. We have done well to acheive what we have, but I fear this team & manager are not really up to it.[/p][/quote]That's why we have just won two on the bounce and look comfortably off in mid table having given last year's squad the chance to go again.[/p][/quote]IMO, we are too old and slow. And because of this we play like the away team even when at home. We sit deep in our own half, pumping the ball up front and hoping for a bit of luck. We started the season like a house on fire and to be fair played some good football, but gradually we have tired out and the good football has reduced in turn. We have looked better with Reach and Bennet (for every one player we have signed that has been a succes how many have not?) but these are not our player. PP is predictable and boring, with no plan B. BTW, i am it the same brigade as you.[/p][/quote]Can't agree with this Victor, I don't think many teams have a plan B in this league, it costs to get players who are comfortable playing different formations but we did have a plan B against MK Dons playing five across midfield with granted 'some luck' but it was successful in curtailing MK Dons monopoly of possession. Gary Jones isn't too old...he's magic you know!!!!! I think we also utilize our wide players so to say we just pump the ball up to our front players does our tactics a disservice.[/p][/quote]Most teams like to play a bit of football. They'll have a skilful forward that scores goals and happen a skilful playmaker in midfield that he can link up with in and around the box and a tidy winger, maybe two, with a bit of pace that can join in. When all else fails they'll get a bit more direct and get the ball forward quicker. Unfortunately we get the ball forward quickly from the start and when teams cope with it we haven't got the players to create an opening. Deal with Hanson, double up on Reach and we offer practically nothing. But hey, we're doing ok in a higher division and consolidation is paramount. I just hope Parky can bring in the right players and get us to the next level.[/p][/quote]I think while ever you play two wingers in home games the central midfielders tend to not over extend themselves, add to this the fact that most teams coming to Valley Parade play with a single striker and five in midfield tends to lead to conservatism in central midfield, when faced with 442 formations BCFC's central midfield duo do a very good job and a more than adequate job when outnumbered. McArdle is a fine defender and I'm glad he's not **** about trying to play out of defence which at this level rarely works and is basically not what he's there to do, McArdle and Davies form a fine central defensive partnership. I would have gone for Dean Furman in January as a great addition to our central midfield options but I do believe on present form Gary Jones is worth another year come contract negotiations in June, I'd also be looking at bringing in Furman to bolster that area if Doyle decides to go elsewhere.[/p][/quote]OK, so will Doyle playing just in front of the defenders and Jones running around like a 20 year old we wont concede many. but not going to stretch teams and will always be a struggle to score. fingers crossed for more 1-0 s. Victor Clayton

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