Bradford Bulls: Lee Radford plays down Luke Gale interest but Garreth Carvell a step closer to Hull move

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Hull have expressed an interest in Luke Gale (pictured) but are limited by their salary cap and the player is thought to be happy to stay at Bulls Hull have expressed an interest in Luke Gale (pictured) but are limited by their salary cap and the player is thought to be happy to stay at Bulls

Luke Gale appears almost certain to stay at Bradford but Garreth Carvell has linked up with Hull FC’s squad.

Although Carvell remains contracted to the Bulls, he underwent fitness testing at Hull’s training ground yesterday and coach Lee Radford is aiming to force through a deal in time for Friday’s home clash with Catalan.

Radford had also hoped to lure Gale to the KC Stadium but said that Hull were already spending up to the salary cap and that any move for the England Knights playmaker was now not feasible.

Former Bulls forward Radford said: “When Bradford’s issues surfaced we made a play for Luke and were told categorically he was not for sale.

“I don’t know if anything has changed but we have a salary cap. I don’t know his salary but he’s a quality player so I imagine it’s a hefty one.

“There are rules and regulations in place and, once the RFL decide what they are doing and the Bulls decide what they are doing, we won’t be the only club interested in one or two of their players if they become available.”

Vice-captain Gale remains under contract at Odsal until the end of 2015 but has been offered a new, improved long-term deal by the Bulls.

Gale’s agent Craig Harrison said the player was happy at Bradford and was looking forward to facing Castleford in Sunday’s Super League opener at the Provident Stadium.

He is also in line to be handed the club captaincy if, as expected, Matt Diskin retires at the end of 2014.

But Carvell’s future remains uncertain as he has effectively left the club but remains a registered Bradford player.

The RFL said again yesterday that Carvell’s contract dispute was a “club issue” and not a matter for the governing body.

Radford said: “Garreth is a fantastic player and there are a lot of issues going on at Bradford.

“He is a player I’ve played with and have a great relationship with.

“He’s a winner and would be a fantastic addition to any squad.

“There are a lot of issues with the RFL and the Bulls and we’ll have to see how that one stands, but at the minute he is a registered Bradford player.

“If things change then my opinion will change on that.”

Bulls chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul said: “Garreth Carvell is contracted to the Bradford Bulls and that contract is registered with the RFL. He’s still a member of our staff.”

Hunter-Paul said there had been no contact from Hull yesterday but the Bulls had held dialogue with the player’s agent Andy Clarke.

The New Zealander added: “We are exploring all options.”

On Gale, Hunter-Paul added: “Luke Gale is a key member of the Bradford Bulls team and we have big plans for his future here.”

Meanwhile, Richard Lamb yesterday passed a fit and proper persons test with the RFL, opening the door for him to make a bid to buy the Bulls.

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8:12am Tue 11 Feb 14

Sheffieldbull says...

Bacon Bantam says...
" Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door".

Woops, what size do you take Bacon?
Maybe it's 'Gayle' that's off?
Bacon Bantam says... " Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door". Woops, what size do you take Bacon? Maybe it's 'Gayle' that's off? Sheffieldbull

8:23am Tue 11 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

The most interesting part of this story comes in the last two lines. It seems impressive and tentatively promising to me that with very little fanfare or bluster the potential new owner has passed the FPP test with the RFL. Time will tell what this means but seems like the wheels are turning behind the doors at Odsall/Red Hall.
The most interesting part of this story comes in the last two lines. It seems impressive and tentatively promising to me that with very little fanfare or bluster the potential new owner has passed the FPP test with the RFL. Time will tell what this means but seems like the wheels are turning behind the doors at Odsall/Red Hall. Lythambull

8:27am Tue 11 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

Positive news.
Carvell big wage earner,one less on the books with only half sky money and £1.2 million debt to service.
A move in the interest of survival financially.
Come on fans back this club with or without big names.
Support the wannabies rather than the has beens or never were beens.
What has the table said for 8 years.
Was all that money frittered and wasted causing so much pain and worry to ......fans,players.s
taff,wives,girlfrien
ds,directors,shareho
lders,MP"s,Councillo
rs,Citizens worth it?

Bulls may play 7 kid and still survive to live in super league when the full sky pot is back.Increased significantly with Skys latest deal.

They just need to survive a year.
Positive news. Carvell big wage earner,one less on the books with only half sky money and £1.2 million debt to service. A move in the interest of survival financially. Come on fans back this club with or without big names. Support the wannabies rather than the has beens or never were beens. What has the table said for 8 years. Was all that money frittered and wasted causing so much pain and worry to ......fans,players.s taff,wives,girlfrien ds,directors,shareho lders,MP"s,Councillo rs,Citizens worth it? Bulls may play 7 kid and still survive to live in super league when the full sky pot is back.Increased significantly with Skys latest deal. They just need to survive a year. Arhmen Noleg

8:43am Tue 11 Feb 14

Bring Cordle back......... says...

I'm not convinced that the fans thirst for information on every area of the Bradford Bulls business and the medias inability to report anything accurately or positive is helping our situation!! For example Mr Lamb has shown interest in our but advised on a radio interview he's not seen the financials yet so at this point that's all it is interest!!
So all the news does is unsettle everyone involved with the club and ultimately he may not get past reading the accounts. I hope all these stories don't unsettle the squad further as I for one was excited that our squad this year would have competed for a spot outside of relegation and played some exciting rugby along the way. For me its all about the team on the field.......
I'm not convinced that the fans thirst for information on every area of the Bradford Bulls business and the medias inability to report anything accurately or positive is helping our situation!! For example Mr Lamb has shown interest in our but advised on a radio interview he's not seen the financials yet so at this point that's all it is interest!! So all the news does is unsettle everyone involved with the club and ultimately he may not get past reading the accounts. I hope all these stories don't unsettle the squad further as I for one was excited that our squad this year would have competed for a spot outside of relegation and played some exciting rugby along the way. For me its all about the team on the field....... Bring Cordle back.........

9:28am Tue 11 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Bacon Bantam says... " Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door". Woops, what size do you take Bacon? Maybe it's 'Gayle' that's off?
I fail to see your point. Yesterday someone commented without reading the story, asking for where people got their info from when it was reported by the T&A. I simply commented on what was in the story which if you go back and read it backed up what I said.

You really must try harder.
[quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: Bacon Bantam says... " Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door". Woops, what size do you take Bacon? Maybe it's 'Gayle' that's off?[/p][/quote]I fail to see your point. Yesterday someone commented without reading the story, asking for where people got their info from when it was reported by the T&A. I simply commented on what was in the story which if you go back and read it backed up what I said. You really must try harder. Bacon Bantam

9:43am Tue 11 Feb 14

Old Dave says...

On and off the field things still have a long way to go.
Success this season is top 12 not top 8!
If in September we have a SL club, with clear and legitimate owners, then things will start to look up!
Carvell is nearing the end of his career and wants security. Luke is a younger lad who will have opportunities away from Bradford if he wants them in the future. He's a lad from Middleton who enjoys life and is earning a living doing what he loves. He's not married and has no kids so he can afford to be like this.
If we stay up this year, and build in the future, the likes of Cummins, Diskin, Gale, Sammutt and Kearney will deserve the "legend" status afforded to the 96-05 players. Their success will look very different but in the grand scheme of things their loyalty will be very bit as important to the club.
On and off the field things still have a long way to go. Success this season is top 12 not top 8! If in September we have a SL club, with clear and legitimate owners, then things will start to look up! Carvell is nearing the end of his career and wants security. Luke is a younger lad who will have opportunities away from Bradford if he wants them in the future. He's a lad from Middleton who enjoys life and is earning a living doing what he loves. He's not married and has no kids so he can afford to be like this. If we stay up this year, and build in the future, the likes of Cummins, Diskin, Gale, Sammutt and Kearney will deserve the "legend" status afforded to the 96-05 players. Their success will look very different but in the grand scheme of things their loyalty will be very bit as important to the club. Old Dave

9:44am Tue 11 Feb 14

Bowlingboy says...

Surely if Richard Lamb has passed the FPP test with the RFL he has read the accounts and is wanting to proceed?

If not he is wasting everyone's time,

Without wanting to state the obvious the bulls need big backing to compete with the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Saints.
Surely if Richard Lamb has passed the FPP test with the RFL he has read the accounts and is wanting to proceed? If not he is wasting everyone's time, Without wanting to state the obvious the bulls need big backing to compete with the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Saints. Bowlingboy

9:59am Tue 11 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Bowlingboy wrote:
Surely if Richard Lamb has passed the FPP test with the RFL he has read the accounts and is wanting to proceed? If not he is wasting everyone's time, Without wanting to state the obvious the bulls need big backing to compete with the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Saints.
Yesterdays story said

"I have also contacted the RFL to ask for its support to move forward so that I can have access to the creditors that have led to the club going into administration."

To me it reads as if the RFl have done the fit and proper test on him in order to make sure he isn't wasting their time. It sounds like he has passed this test so I expect he will now be given access to the books to see the creditors to make a more informed decision about going forward.

He's not a sugardaddy money bags, more of a level headed business man who will look to the Leeds Rhino's approach of running a club rather than the Wigan, Salford, Warrington, Huddersfield, throw money at it approach.
[quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: Surely if Richard Lamb has passed the FPP test with the RFL he has read the accounts and is wanting to proceed? If not he is wasting everyone's time, Without wanting to state the obvious the bulls need big backing to compete with the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Saints.[/p][/quote]Yesterdays story said "I have also contacted the RFL to ask for its support to move forward so that I can have access to the creditors that have led to the club going into administration." To me it reads as if the RFl have done the fit and proper test on him in order to make sure he isn't wasting their time. It sounds like he has passed this test so I expect he will now be given access to the books to see the creditors to make a more informed decision about going forward. He's not a sugardaddy money bags, more of a level headed business man who will look to the Leeds Rhino's approach of running a club rather than the Wigan, Salford, Warrington, Huddersfield, throw money at it approach. Bacon Bantam

10:06am Tue 11 Feb 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

At last sensible comments from all posters on this subject.
At last sensible comments from all posters on this subject. spanglishbull.uk

10:08am Tue 11 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Bowlingboy wrote:
Surely if Richard Lamb has passed the FPP test with the RFL he has read the accounts and is wanting to proceed? If not he is wasting everyone's time, Without wanting to state the obvious the bulls need big backing to compete with the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Saints.
Yesterdays story said

"I have also contacted the RFL to ask for its support to move forward so that I can have access to the creditors that have led to the club going into administration."

To me it reads as if the RFl have done the fit and proper test on him in order to make sure he isn't wasting their time. It sounds like he has passed this test so I expect he will now be given access to the books to see the creditors to make a more informed decision about going forward.

He's not a sugardaddy money bags, more of a level headed business man who will look to the Leeds Rhino's approach of running a club rather than the Wigan, Salford, Warrington, Huddersfield, throw money at it approach.
And that would do very nicely IMO!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bowlingboy[/bold] wrote: Surely if Richard Lamb has passed the FPP test with the RFL he has read the accounts and is wanting to proceed? If not he is wasting everyone's time, Without wanting to state the obvious the bulls need big backing to compete with the likes of Wigan, Warrington and Saints.[/p][/quote]Yesterdays story said "I have also contacted the RFL to ask for its support to move forward so that I can have access to the creditors that have led to the club going into administration." To me it reads as if the RFl have done the fit and proper test on him in order to make sure he isn't wasting their time. It sounds like he has passed this test so I expect he will now be given access to the books to see the creditors to make a more informed decision about going forward. He's not a sugardaddy money bags, more of a level headed business man who will look to the Leeds Rhino's approach of running a club rather than the Wigan, Salford, Warrington, Huddersfield, throw money at it approach.[/p][/quote]And that would do very nicely IMO!!!! Lythambull

10:54am Tue 11 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation.

We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together.

More interested parties can only be a good thing.

One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.
Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease. Thee Voice of Reason

11:46am Tue 11 Feb 14

Bowlingboy says...

a Level headed business man would be awesome,
It would just be a bonus if he had the cash to allow us to seriously compete again.

I agree one thing fans can do is put money in the jar by attending.

I will be there Sunday, I hope a fair few thousand more are too,
a Level headed business man would be awesome, It would just be a bonus if he had the cash to allow us to seriously compete again. I agree one thing fans can do is put money in the jar by attending. I will be there Sunday, I hope a fair few thousand more are too, Bowlingboy

12:33pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Loyalbull1981 says...

Not being funny but it seems anyone could pass the RFLs fit and proper person test (well everyone except Whitcut) so not sure its anything to be sure about. Although he does seem to have better credentials and a knowledge of sports clubs so im hopeful he will get the club and make a go of it.
Not being funny but it seems anyone could pass the RFLs fit and proper person test (well everyone except Whitcut) so not sure its anything to be sure about. Although he does seem to have better credentials and a knowledge of sports clubs so im hopeful he will get the club and make a go of it. Loyalbull1981

1:13pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bully4us says...

I also don’t see this new chap as a bottomless pit of money. What I do see is a well off chap who has “blue chip” companies as customers. Those contacts and influence could be massive when you compare them to some of our small sponsors – small family firms. I would like to see him possibly buy the controlling share and work with the three who have already worked tirelessly and are Bulls fans. That would be the ideal combination. Let’s get our hospitality suites full with directors of very wealthy companies on special invitations to see if we can tempt them to put some real sponsorship our way.

As far as being relegated goes, I have stopped worrying after a group of us mulled it over. If we got relegated we would play a number of weeks in a general championship comp and then play in this “split” comp comprising of lower SL and higher championship clubs. I would expect us to be at the top of the championship league. Two would get promotion out of the play-offs in that middle league. I would fully expect to go back up straight away or at least within a year or two. If we couldn’t then we shouldn’t be in SL.

Looking at it I am not too concerned about dropping down for a year or two now promotion is there again. Let’s face it, we are currently in SL but skint, looking at new owners yet again, being in administration twice along with having a dilapidated ground. What a mess we are in! We are in no fit state to complain about much and if I were at another club I would say we should be put in the championship.

I actually think we should be deducted points as we would then be seen to be getting punished for running the club so badly. We could then hold our heads up high when / if we stay up and say we did it while taking our punishment and nobody could say otherwise. We are currently seen as the biggest mess in SL and we need to stop that and show that we are willing to do things the right way from now on even if that means taking our medicine. We need to get pride back into our club as right now we are seen in a very bad light by all other supporters and that isn't nice.
I also don’t see this new chap as a bottomless pit of money. What I do see is a well off chap who has “blue chip” companies as customers. Those contacts and influence could be massive when you compare them to some of our small sponsors – small family firms. I would like to see him possibly buy the controlling share and work with the three who have already worked tirelessly and are Bulls fans. That would be the ideal combination. Let’s get our hospitality suites full with directors of very wealthy companies on special invitations to see if we can tempt them to put some real sponsorship our way. As far as being relegated goes, I have stopped worrying after a group of us mulled it over. If we got relegated we would play a number of weeks in a general championship comp and then play in this “split” comp comprising of lower SL and higher championship clubs. I would expect us to be at the top of the championship league. Two would get promotion out of the play-offs in that middle league. I would fully expect to go back up straight away or at least within a year or two. If we couldn’t then we shouldn’t be in SL. Looking at it I am not too concerned about dropping down for a year or two now promotion is there again. Let’s face it, we are currently in SL but skint, looking at new owners yet again, being in administration twice along with having a dilapidated ground. What a mess we are in! We are in no fit state to complain about much and if I were at another club I would say we should be put in the championship. I actually think we should be deducted points as we would then be seen to be getting punished for running the club so badly. We could then hold our heads up high when / if we stay up and say we did it while taking our punishment and nobody could say otherwise. We are currently seen as the biggest mess in SL and we need to stop that and show that we are willing to do things the right way from now on even if that means taking our medicine. We need to get pride back into our club as right now we are seen in a very bad light by all other supporters and that isn't nice. bully4us

3:07pm Tue 11 Feb 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation.

We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together.

More interested parties can only be a good thing.

One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.
Current owners have already stated "would allow takeover" but no terms mentioned.

Will be a very interesting week.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.[/p][/quote]Current owners have already stated "would allow takeover" but no terms mentioned. Will be a very interesting week. MeccaBingo1

3:52pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.
Current owners have already stated "would allow takeover" but no terms mentioned. Will be a very interesting week.
The current owners stated the squad was ringfenced and there was no danger or Administration.

I would wait and see how this plays out.

Will be interesting to see if Mr Lamb is at the game Sunday.
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.[/p][/quote]Current owners have already stated "would allow takeover" but no terms mentioned. Will be a very interesting week.[/p][/quote]The current owners stated the squad was ringfenced and there was no danger or Administration. I would wait and see how this plays out. Will be interesting to see if Mr Lamb is at the game Sunday. Bacon Bantam

4:00pm Tue 11 Feb 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

I know members of one of the consotuims who are biding for the Club along with two other parties and the current board, at this stage no one has received the accounts from the administrator.

It is going to be an interesting month indeed and whoever ends up as owners of the Club let us hope that they just have the game at heart and get us through this season and onwards and upwards.
I know members of one of the consotuims who are biding for the Club along with two other parties and the current board, at this stage no one has received the accounts from the administrator. It is going to be an interesting month indeed and whoever ends up as owners of the Club let us hope that they just have the game at heart and get us through this season and onwards and upwards. fedupwiththeBS

4:15pm Tue 11 Feb 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Bs,
How can you bid for the club without seeing the accounts.Surely nobody with any common sense would make a blind bid.Therefore I would assume that nobody is actually bidding at the moment.The time to bid is when you have seen the level of debt,dont you think
Bs, How can you bid for the club without seeing the accounts.Surely nobody with any common sense would make a blind bid.Therefore I would assume that nobody is actually bidding at the moment.The time to bid is when you have seen the level of debt,dont you think spanglishbull.uk

4:21pm Tue 11 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

So now we have people who know members of a consortium bidding for the Bulls, are you part of it FBS. Are they local, do they have the money to run the the club for two years or more, in a phrase who are they. If I recollect correctly the T n A had the names of ALL interested parties last time round. As far as I and others know nothing has been in the press. So if anyone has information re who is bidding other than R Lamb, and maybe the current board, please inform the rest of use, as we are interested. And GALE, note spelling T n A, WILL be at Odsal this season.
So now we have people who know members of a consortium bidding for the Bulls, are you part of it FBS. Are they local, do they have the money to run the the club for two years or more, in a phrase who are they. If I recollect correctly the T n A had the names of ALL interested parties last time round. As far as I and others know nothing has been in the press. So if anyone has information re who is bidding other than R Lamb, and maybe the current board, please inform the rest of use, as we are interested. And GALE, note spelling T n A, WILL be at Odsal this season. The Man From the Pru

5:53pm Tue 11 Feb 14

gordon ramsay says...

bully4us wrote:
I also don’t see this new chap as a bottomless pit of money. What I do see is a well off chap who has “blue chip” companies as customers. Those contacts and influence could be massive when you compare them to some of our small sponsors – small family firms. I would like to see him possibly buy the controlling share and work with the three who have already worked tirelessly and are Bulls fans. That would be the ideal combination. Let’s get our hospitality suites full with directors of very wealthy companies on special invitations to see if we can tempt them to put some real sponsorship our way. As far as being relegated goes, I have stopped worrying after a group of us mulled it over. If we got relegated we would play a number of weeks in a general championship comp and then play in this “split” comp comprising of lower SL and higher championship clubs. I would expect us to be at the top of the championship league. Two would get promotion out of the play-offs in that middle league. I would fully expect to go back up straight away or at least within a year or two. If we couldn’t then we shouldn’t be in SL. Looking at it I am not too concerned about dropping down for a year or two now promotion is there again. Let’s face it, we are currently in SL but skint, looking at new owners yet again, being in administration twice along with having a dilapidated ground. What a mess we are in! We are in no fit state to complain about much and if I were at another club I would say we should be put in the championship. I actually think we should be deducted points as we would then be seen to be getting punished for running the club so badly. We could then hold our heads up high when / if we stay up and say we did it while taking our punishment and nobody could say otherwise. We are currently seen as the biggest mess in SL and we need to stop that and show that we are willing to do things the right way from now on even if that means taking our medicine. We need to get pride back into our club as right now we are seen in a very bad light by all other supporters and that isn't nice.
your overall sentiments are not bad, i do however see relagation as a massive blow.

the problem with going down is 3 fold

1. reduced income from sponsors/TV/gate money
2. even less investment in the ground and facilities
3. reduced overall spend on junior recruitment ensuring that every other club had the first picks with us picking up the scraps
4. as the climb began again we would be forced to cobble together sides together (as london this year) with cast offs and overseas pension cases

unlike say cas, wakey, or london we suffer from having a fan base with is many ways is spoilt. we all got used to winning everything with an all star team year after year. of course we will always have a hardcore (say 5k in SL and 3k in Championship) but is that enough?

what has happened to our club is criminal and there a great number of people i know who, sadly, have given up on the club.

lets hope we can turn this club around. SL needs a strong bulls club and all the potential that brings with it
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: I also don’t see this new chap as a bottomless pit of money. What I do see is a well off chap who has “blue chip” companies as customers. Those contacts and influence could be massive when you compare them to some of our small sponsors – small family firms. I would like to see him possibly buy the controlling share and work with the three who have already worked tirelessly and are Bulls fans. That would be the ideal combination. Let’s get our hospitality suites full with directors of very wealthy companies on special invitations to see if we can tempt them to put some real sponsorship our way. As far as being relegated goes, I have stopped worrying after a group of us mulled it over. If we got relegated we would play a number of weeks in a general championship comp and then play in this “split” comp comprising of lower SL and higher championship clubs. I would expect us to be at the top of the championship league. Two would get promotion out of the play-offs in that middle league. I would fully expect to go back up straight away or at least within a year or two. If we couldn’t then we shouldn’t be in SL. Looking at it I am not too concerned about dropping down for a year or two now promotion is there again. Let’s face it, we are currently in SL but skint, looking at new owners yet again, being in administration twice along with having a dilapidated ground. What a mess we are in! We are in no fit state to complain about much and if I were at another club I would say we should be put in the championship. I actually think we should be deducted points as we would then be seen to be getting punished for running the club so badly. We could then hold our heads up high when / if we stay up and say we did it while taking our punishment and nobody could say otherwise. We are currently seen as the biggest mess in SL and we need to stop that and show that we are willing to do things the right way from now on even if that means taking our medicine. We need to get pride back into our club as right now we are seen in a very bad light by all other supporters and that isn't nice.[/p][/quote]your overall sentiments are not bad, i do however see relagation as a massive blow. the problem with going down is 3 fold 1. reduced income from sponsors/TV/gate money 2. even less investment in the ground and facilities 3. reduced overall spend on junior recruitment ensuring that every other club had the first picks with us picking up the scraps 4. as the climb began again we would be forced to cobble together sides together (as london this year) with cast offs and overseas pension cases unlike say cas, wakey, or london we suffer from having a fan base with is many ways is spoilt. we all got used to winning everything with an all star team year after year. of course we will always have a hardcore (say 5k in SL and 3k in Championship) but is that enough? what has happened to our club is criminal and there a great number of people i know who, sadly, have given up on the club. lets hope we can turn this club around. SL needs a strong bulls club and all the potential that brings with it gordon ramsay

7:00pm Tue 11 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

gordon ramsay wrote:
bully4us wrote:
I also don’t see this new chap as a bottomless pit of money. What I do see is a well off chap who has “blue chip” companies as customers. Those contacts and influence could be massive when you compare them to some of our small sponsors – small family firms. I would like to see him possibly buy the controlling share and work with the three who have already worked tirelessly and are Bulls fans. That would be the ideal combination. Let’s get our hospitality suites full with directors of very wealthy companies on special invitations to see if we can tempt them to put some real sponsorship our way. As far as being relegated goes, I have stopped worrying after a group of us mulled it over. If we got relegated we would play a number of weeks in a general championship comp and then play in this “split” comp comprising of lower SL and higher championship clubs. I would expect us to be at the top of the championship league. Two would get promotion out of the play-offs in that middle league. I would fully expect to go back up straight away or at least within a year or two. If we couldn’t then we shouldn’t be in SL. Looking at it I am not too concerned about dropping down for a year or two now promotion is there again. Let’s face it, we are currently in SL but skint, looking at new owners yet again, being in administration twice along with having a dilapidated ground. What a mess we are in! We are in no fit state to complain about much and if I were at another club I would say we should be put in the championship. I actually think we should be deducted points as we would then be seen to be getting punished for running the club so badly. We could then hold our heads up high when / if we stay up and say we did it while taking our punishment and nobody could say otherwise. We are currently seen as the biggest mess in SL and we need to stop that and show that we are willing to do things the right way from now on even if that means taking our medicine. We need to get pride back into our club as right now we are seen in a very bad light by all other supporters and that isn't nice.
your overall sentiments are not bad, i do however see relagation as a massive blow.

the problem with going down is 3 fold

1. reduced income from sponsors/TV/gate money
2. even less investment in the ground and facilities
3. reduced overall spend on junior recruitment ensuring that every other club had the first picks with us picking up the scraps
4. as the climb began again we would be forced to cobble together sides together (as london this year) with cast offs and overseas pension cases

unlike say cas, wakey, or london we suffer from having a fan base with is many ways is spoilt. we all got used to winning everything with an all star team year after year. of course we will always have a hardcore (say 5k in SL and 3k in Championship) but is that enough?

what has happened to our club is criminal and there a great number of people i know who, sadly, have given up on the club.

lets hope we can turn this club around. SL needs a strong bulls club and all the potential that brings with it
Overall I think you are on the Button GR with your post!

For clarification of your points: Halifax haven't got back into SL since 2003. Widnes have had a few baptisms of fire in their quest to get back into SL.
In fact as they have proved the investment from championship to SL is more expensive than keeping a club with it's infrastructure at least intact, even though struggling. I feel the road is still rocky, but as a club we should never give up on the Super League prospect, if we are pushed into the relegation zone, which I must say is what many people think we deserve. Not the sensible ones though. Because if we let a City with a catchment of over 400,000 lose all it's professional RL, in favour of a part time contest. Then questions need to be asked of the governing body, who woul be looking on a dumming down of the sport. I'm certain Sky Sports may feel that a downward spiral is not a good business proposition.
[quote][p][bold]gordon ramsay[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: I also don’t see this new chap as a bottomless pit of money. What I do see is a well off chap who has “blue chip” companies as customers. Those contacts and influence could be massive when you compare them to some of our small sponsors – small family firms. I would like to see him possibly buy the controlling share and work with the three who have already worked tirelessly and are Bulls fans. That would be the ideal combination. Let’s get our hospitality suites full with directors of very wealthy companies on special invitations to see if we can tempt them to put some real sponsorship our way. As far as being relegated goes, I have stopped worrying after a group of us mulled it over. If we got relegated we would play a number of weeks in a general championship comp and then play in this “split” comp comprising of lower SL and higher championship clubs. I would expect us to be at the top of the championship league. Two would get promotion out of the play-offs in that middle league. I would fully expect to go back up straight away or at least within a year or two. If we couldn’t then we shouldn’t be in SL. Looking at it I am not too concerned about dropping down for a year or two now promotion is there again. Let’s face it, we are currently in SL but skint, looking at new owners yet again, being in administration twice along with having a dilapidated ground. What a mess we are in! We are in no fit state to complain about much and if I were at another club I would say we should be put in the championship. I actually think we should be deducted points as we would then be seen to be getting punished for running the club so badly. We could then hold our heads up high when / if we stay up and say we did it while taking our punishment and nobody could say otherwise. We are currently seen as the biggest mess in SL and we need to stop that and show that we are willing to do things the right way from now on even if that means taking our medicine. We need to get pride back into our club as right now we are seen in a very bad light by all other supporters and that isn't nice.[/p][/quote]your overall sentiments are not bad, i do however see relagation as a massive blow. the problem with going down is 3 fold 1. reduced income from sponsors/TV/gate money 2. even less investment in the ground and facilities 3. reduced overall spend on junior recruitment ensuring that every other club had the first picks with us picking up the scraps 4. as the climb began again we would be forced to cobble together sides together (as london this year) with cast offs and overseas pension cases unlike say cas, wakey, or london we suffer from having a fan base with is many ways is spoilt. we all got used to winning everything with an all star team year after year. of course we will always have a hardcore (say 5k in SL and 3k in Championship) but is that enough? what has happened to our club is criminal and there a great number of people i know who, sadly, have given up on the club. lets hope we can turn this club around. SL needs a strong bulls club and all the potential that brings with it[/p][/quote]Overall I think you are on the Button GR with your post! For clarification of your points: Halifax haven't got back into SL since 2003. Widnes have had a few baptisms of fire in their quest to get back into SL. In fact as they have proved the investment from championship to SL is more expensive than keeping a club with it's infrastructure at least intact, even though struggling. I feel the road is still rocky, but as a club we should never give up on the Super League prospect, if we are pushed into the relegation zone, which I must say is what many people think we deserve. Not the sensible ones though. Because if we let a City with a catchment of over 400,000 lose all it's professional RL, in favour of a part time contest. Then questions need to be asked of the governing body, who woul be looking on a dumming down of the sport. I'm certain Sky Sports may feel that a downward spiral is not a good business proposition. raisemeup

7:58pm Tue 11 Feb 14

Sheffieldbull says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Sheffieldbull wrote:
Bacon Bantam says... " Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door". Woops, what size do you take Bacon? Maybe it's 'Gayle' that's off?
I fail to see your point. Yesterday someone commented without reading the story, asking for where people got their info from when it was reported by the T&A. I simply commented on what was in the story which if you go back and read it backed up what I said.

You really must try harder.
Now do you understand?.... your comprehension = entry level 2!
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Sheffieldbull[/bold] wrote: Bacon Bantam says... " Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door". Woops, what size do you take Bacon? Maybe it's 'Gayle' that's off?[/p][/quote]I fail to see your point. Yesterday someone commented without reading the story, asking for where people got their info from when it was reported by the T&A. I simply commented on what was in the story which if you go back and read it backed up what I said. You really must try harder.[/p][/quote]Now do you understand?.... your comprehension = entry level 2! Sheffieldbull

8:02pm Tue 11 Feb 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
So now we have people who know members of a consortium bidding for the Bulls, are you part of it FBS. Are they local, do they have the money to run the the club for two years or more, in a phrase who are they. If I recollect correctly the T n A had the names of ALL interested parties last time round. As far as I and others know nothing has been in the press. So if anyone has information re who is bidding other than R Lamb, and maybe the current board, please inform the rest of use, as we are interested. And GALE, note spelling T n A, WILL be at Odsal this season.
unlike Lamb (who runs a marketing company and is clearly cashing in on a bit of free advertising) the other parties are respecting the RFL's wishes to remain silent whilst the process is under way.

We have Lamb, the current board and two other parties both of whom have the funds drive and ambition needed to take the Club forward.

The big question will be what state the Club is really in and what is actually left to bid for and is it worth it? No one will just throw money at it if it is beyond saving no matter how much passion is involved.

I am not part of it unfortunately but close enough to know what is going on.

No matter whoever gets the Club the only way to ensure that we have a SL Club next season is for the 8000 or so stay away fans to get back behind the lads and show them they we as a City do care.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: So now we have people who know members of a consortium bidding for the Bulls, are you part of it FBS. Are they local, do they have the money to run the the club for two years or more, in a phrase who are they. If I recollect correctly the T n A had the names of ALL interested parties last time round. As far as I and others know nothing has been in the press. So if anyone has information re who is bidding other than R Lamb, and maybe the current board, please inform the rest of use, as we are interested. And GALE, note spelling T n A, WILL be at Odsal this season.[/p][/quote]unlike Lamb (who runs a marketing company and is clearly cashing in on a bit of free advertising) the other parties are respecting the RFL's wishes to remain silent whilst the process is under way. We have Lamb, the current board and two other parties both of whom have the funds drive and ambition needed to take the Club forward. The big question will be what state the Club is really in and what is actually left to bid for and is it worth it? No one will just throw money at it if it is beyond saving no matter how much passion is involved. I am not part of it unfortunately but close enough to know what is going on. No matter whoever gets the Club the only way to ensure that we have a SL Club next season is for the 8000 or so stay away fans to get back behind the lads and show them they we as a City do care. fedupwiththeBS

11:28pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

What happens to the players contracts if Mr Lamb takes over. Is the TUPE thing only relevant when transfering contracts fro a business in administration to a new business. Or does it apply to all takeovers?

If its the second then, if he takes over say in 2 weeks time. Carvell will be within his rights to terminate his contract and take up an offer elsewhere. Will Hull than be seen to have been tapping up a player that was contracted to Bradford Bulls 2014. I don't believe they actually did tap him up from his contract with OK Bulls. think it was the agent who contacted Hull after the contract had been signed.

Bradford Bulls 2014 have been given the green light to take over OK Bulls but think the administrator can still accept another deal with 28 days . What will happen to the players contracts that are currently with Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. Will they automatically get transferred to Mr Lambs company.

Its so complicated. But there's so many business and legal experts on here i'm sure it can all be explained to me
What happens to the players contracts if Mr Lamb takes over. Is the TUPE thing only relevant when transfering contracts fro a business in administration to a new business. Or does it apply to all takeovers? If its the second then, if he takes over say in 2 weeks time. Carvell will be within his rights to terminate his contract and take up an offer elsewhere. Will Hull than be seen to have been tapping up a player that was contracted to Bradford Bulls 2014. I don't believe they actually did tap him up from his contract with OK Bulls. think it was the agent who contacted Hull after the contract had been signed. Bradford Bulls 2014 have been given the green light to take over OK Bulls but think the administrator can still accept another deal with 28 days . What will happen to the players contracts that are currently with Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. Will they automatically get transferred to Mr Lambs company. Its so complicated. But there's so many business and legal experts on here i'm sure it can all be explained to me bradfordbronco

11:30pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation.

We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together.

More interested parties can only be a good thing.

One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.
Good post TVOR actually talking sense for once, not just trying to stir things. A pleasant change
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.[/p][/quote]Good post TVOR actually talking sense for once, not just trying to stir things. A pleasant change bradfordbronco

11:30pm Tue 11 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation.

We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together.

More interested parties can only be a good thing.

One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.
Good post TVOR actually talking sense for once, not just trying to stir things. A pleasant change
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.[/p][/quote]Good post TVOR actually talking sense for once, not just trying to stir things. A pleasant change bradfordbronco

12:16am Wed 12 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
What happens to the players contracts if Mr Lamb takes over. Is the TUPE thing only relevant when transfering contracts fro a business in administration to a new business. Or does it apply to all takeovers?

If its the second then, if he takes over say in 2 weeks time. Carvell will be within his rights to terminate his contract and take up an offer elsewhere. Will Hull than be seen to have been tapping up a player that was contracted to Bradford Bulls 2014. I don't believe they actually did tap him up from his contract with OK Bulls. think it was the agent who contacted Hull after the contract had been signed.

Bradford Bulls 2014 have been given the green light to take over OK Bulls but think the administrator can still accept another deal with 28 days . What will happen to the players contracts that are currently with Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. Will they automatically get transferred to Mr Lambs company.

Its so complicated. But there's so many business and legal experts on here i'm sure it can all be explained to me
Theres no point worrying bronco.Your only getting yourself upset.There are so man permutations that could come about and that if he has the brass anyway or is not frightened by the level of debt and losses going forward to finance.

The best hope is the fans 8 to 10000 every week and the 3000 stakeholder season ticket holders buying 500 £1 shares over 12 months or 2 years.

Never has the fans money been so important
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: What happens to the players contracts if Mr Lamb takes over. Is the TUPE thing only relevant when transfering contracts fro a business in administration to a new business. Or does it apply to all takeovers? If its the second then, if he takes over say in 2 weeks time. Carvell will be within his rights to terminate his contract and take up an offer elsewhere. Will Hull than be seen to have been tapping up a player that was contracted to Bradford Bulls 2014. I don't believe they actually did tap him up from his contract with OK Bulls. think it was the agent who contacted Hull after the contract had been signed. Bradford Bulls 2014 have been given the green light to take over OK Bulls but think the administrator can still accept another deal with 28 days . What will happen to the players contracts that are currently with Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. Will they automatically get transferred to Mr Lambs company. Its so complicated. But there's so many business and legal experts on here i'm sure it can all be explained to me[/p][/quote]Theres no point worrying bronco.Your only getting yourself upset.There are so man permutations that could come about and that if he has the brass anyway or is not frightened by the level of debt and losses going forward to finance. The best hope is the fans 8 to 10000 every week and the 3000 stakeholder season ticket holders buying 500 £1 shares over 12 months or 2 years. Never has the fans money been so important Arhmen Noleg

9:02am Wed 12 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.
Good post TVOR actually talking sense for once, not just trying to stir things. A pleasant change
The only one trying to stir things up on this thread is SheffieldBull but as he is one of the inner circle, nothing is said.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Good post from BaconBantam which will upset some who are waiting in the wings for an argument. Thats pretty much how SheffieldBull started the thread looking for confrontation. We shall see what lies ahead, it's unlikely any takeover would be rubber stamped prior to the start of the season and we don't know if the current lot will put in a counter bid in order to keep control as I would be suprised if they just walked away after setting out long term commitments like keeping the squad together. More interested parties can only be a good thing. One thing I would say about missing sky monies is, Bradford have the potential for 10k+ crowds, many other teams don't. Back the club and fill the coffers by attending and you'll make up the sky money shortfall with ease.[/p][/quote]Good post TVOR actually talking sense for once, not just trying to stir things. A pleasant change[/p][/quote]The only one trying to stir things up on this thread is SheffieldBull but as he is one of the inner circle, nothing is said. Bacon Bantam

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