Adam Sidlow pays tribute to Francis Cummins as he signs new Bradford Bulls deal

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Adam Sidlow, pictured in pre-season action against Castleford, says he is in love with the club and the game Adam Sidlow, pictured in pre-season action against Castleford, says he is in love with the club and the game

Adam Sidlow has agreed a two-year contract extension that will keep him at the Bulls until the end of 2016.

The imposing prop arrived from Salford on a two-year deal at the start of last season and enjoyed an impressive debut campaign.

He made 19 Super League appearances and scored five tries, including a famous point-saving touchdown in the memorable 18-18 draw at Leeds over Easter.

His season was cruelly cut short by a knee injury sustained during the defeat at Wigan on July 5 but he is back to full fitness and delighted to have committed his future to Francis Cummins’ side.

The 26-year-old Wiganer said: “A big thanks must go to Francis as he gave me the initial opportunity and he has helped me gain a new deal here, which I badly wanted.

“This is such a massive club and it is an honour to play here.

“Despite what has gone on over the past couple of months off the field, I would not change a thing. I absolutely love it here.

“I would like to think my best years are still ahead of me and I still feel as though I am progressing as a Super League player.

“I am one hundred per cent committed to Bradford.

“Francis has shown a whole load of faith in me and he has enabled me to love playing rugby league again.”

Cummins has played Sidlow in all three pre-season games and believes he will continue to improve.

The Bulls head coach said: “I am delighted for Adam. He is a towering front-rower with, I believe, a huge future ahead of him.

“He gets better with every game he plays and given the fact he still has a number of years ahead of him, I am extremely excited about having him on board for a further two years.

“Adam is undoubtedly a key figure in our team and I am sure he will become even more integral this season.”

Cummins is expected to try and bring Ben Evans back to Bradford on loan this season with Garreth Carvell’s short spell at Odsal seemingly over.

Carvell is in contract dispute with the Bulls but is no longer training with Cummins’ squad and Hull FC are hopeful he will line up for them against Catalan Dragons at the KC Stadium on Friday.

Meanwhile, vice captain Luke Gale is also being courted by Hull after they reignited their previous interest in the Bulls playmaker.

The England Knights scrum half is believed to have been offered a new, improved deal by Bradford but there is also an offer on the table from Hull boss Lee Radford, who is set to offload Shannon McDonnell.

The Black and Whites have been interested in Gale for some time and the player is expected to make a decision on his future this week.

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8:13am Mon 10 Feb 14

expatbull says...

Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.
Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story. expatbull

8:38am Mon 10 Feb 14

Videoref says...

expatbull wrote:
Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.
What's positive about 2 of our best players leaving the club before the season has even started?
[quote][p][bold]expatbull[/bold] wrote: Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.[/p][/quote]What's positive about 2 of our best players leaving the club before the season has even started? Videoref

8:43am Mon 10 Feb 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

expatbull wrote:
Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.
Donkey!, Carvell & Gale leaving.

Bring in new owners please RFL

Bradford is dying a slow death

Money makes the world go round

20 days for someone to step in
[quote][p][bold]expatbull[/bold] wrote: Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.[/p][/quote]Donkey!, Carvell & Gale leaving. Bring in new owners please RFL Bradford is dying a slow death Money makes the world go round 20 days for someone to step in MeccaBingo1

8:59am Mon 10 Feb 14

bullsone03 says...

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
expatbull wrote:
Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.
Donkey!, Carvell & Gale leaving.

Bring in new owners please RFL

Bradford is dying a slow death

Money makes the world go round

20 days for someone to step in
How do u no about gale
[quote][p][bold]MeccaBingo1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]expatbull[/bold] wrote: Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.[/p][/quote]Donkey!, Carvell & Gale leaving. Bring in new owners please RFL Bradford is dying a slow death Money makes the world go round 20 days for someone to step in[/p][/quote]How do u no about gale bullsone03

9:01am Mon 10 Feb 14

Miss Doubtfire says...

Carvell and Gale leaving a positive story. Seriously? It amazes me how some posters can find a positive out of every negative.
Carvell and Gale leaving a positive story. Seriously? It amazes me how some posters can find a positive out of every negative. Miss Doubtfire

9:24am Mon 10 Feb 14

expatbull says...

Thanks for your kind comments and apologies from myself it seems i didn't read all the story just saw headline and clicked on comments so yes in a way im a donkey,lol.
There are no positives in players leaving if they are committed but GC has been unhappy with his decision to join Bulls for sometime if you believe the rumours, and according to hull papers LG was offered to Hull fc by the Bulls first they refused the offer but now they seem to have changed their minds, so again except my apologies.
At least i do admit when im wrong unlike some on here.
The Gale story appears in an hull local paper .
MeccaBingo1 were exactly does the 20 days for someone to step in appear in this story?, and what you got against Donkeys did one jilt you at sometime
Thanks for your kind comments and apologies from myself it seems i didn't read all the story just saw headline and clicked on comments so yes in a way im a donkey,lol. There are no positives in players leaving if they are committed but GC has been unhappy with his decision to join Bulls for sometime if you believe the rumours, and according to hull papers LG was offered to Hull fc by the Bulls first they refused the offer but now they seem to have changed their minds, so again except my apologies. At least i do admit when im wrong unlike some on here. The Gale story appears in an hull local paper . MeccaBingo1 were exactly does the 20 days for someone to step in appear in this story?, and what you got against Donkeys did one jilt you at sometime expatbull

9:35am Mon 10 Feb 14

Solomon Grundy says...

Carvell is a massive loss, but Luke Gale has been a big disappointment in a Bulls shirt, let's get Sammut & Gaskell into the halves.
Carvell is a massive loss, but Luke Gale has been a big disappointment in a Bulls shirt, let's get Sammut & Gaskell into the halves. Solomon Grundy

9:44am Mon 10 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one.

To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down. The Man From the Pru

9:47am Mon 10 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

Forgot, this is GREAT NEWS, for both Adam and the Bulls, plus it's looking likely that Ben Evans is coming back. Looking forward to 2014 season. ONWARDS n UPWARDS.
Forgot, this is GREAT NEWS, for both Adam and the Bulls, plus it's looking likely that Ben Evans is coming back. Looking forward to 2014 season. ONWARDS n UPWARDS. The Man From the Pru

10:16am Mon 10 Feb 14

Old Dave says...

How can we be offering some players improved deals and at the same time asking them to take a pay cut? what recent financial help have we had from the RFL? (read other BUlls related article!)
The 28 days is the period that our license was granted for so the ownership can be sorted.

I just hope that we get to the weekend and complete one game. that way, as in 2012, the RFL will have little option other than help us struggle through.

If I was a supporter of another club, I would have had enough by now. Two years on and we are still in the mire. the only thing keeping us alive is the fact that if we go pop the RFL is out of pocket because of loans, and it messes up the fixtures.

I reckon they will prop us up short term hoping that a new buyer will clear the debt, our squad will be pillaged, we will lose points, be relegated, then go bust!

Then we will do what we should have done two years ago, which is reform from scratch and build again, like we did in the 60s.

I am not a doom monger or a negativist. I'd love to be wrong, but Bradford bulls is a million miles away from making a profit. we have massive historic debts that were bad enough two years ago. But we ran out of town the only people who knew the true scale of it. OK, with Gerry and Whitcutt tried some hairbrained schemes that ultimately failed and left us with more debt.
If we write off debt we lose points. if we dont write off debts we only delay the inevitable.
Cant see any other outcome now, unless there is a sugar daddy who would like to give us 2-3 million quid to get the club back on an even keel.
How can we be offering some players improved deals and at the same time asking them to take a pay cut? what recent financial help have we had from the RFL? (read other BUlls related article!) The 28 days is the period that our license was granted for so the ownership can be sorted. I just hope that we get to the weekend and complete one game. that way, as in 2012, the RFL will have little option other than help us struggle through. If I was a supporter of another club, I would have had enough by now. Two years on and we are still in the mire. the only thing keeping us alive is the fact that if we go pop the RFL is out of pocket because of loans, and it messes up the fixtures. I reckon they will prop us up short term hoping that a new buyer will clear the debt, our squad will be pillaged, we will lose points, be relegated, then go bust! Then we will do what we should have done two years ago, which is reform from scratch and build again, like we did in the 60s. I am not a doom monger or a negativist. I'd love to be wrong, but Bradford bulls is a million miles away from making a profit. we have massive historic debts that were bad enough two years ago. But we ran out of town the only people who knew the true scale of it. OK, with Gerry and Whitcutt tried some hairbrained schemes that ultimately failed and left us with more debt. If we write off debt we lose points. if we dont write off debts we only delay the inevitable. Cant see any other outcome now, unless there is a sugar daddy who would like to give us 2-3 million quid to get the club back on an even keel. Old Dave

10:25am Mon 10 Feb 14

Parz says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
Don't confuse being a true supporter with blind faith. Just because people are dissatisfied with the fact we don't seem to be able to have the same ownership for more than 6 months at a time doesn't mean we're not true supporters. I bought my season ticket at the London game last year, I've been to the pre season friendlies when I could and I'll back the team to the death. That doesn't mean I'm happy that our board room seems to have a revolving door at the moment.

As for the story, glad Sidlow is staying. He's a good prop and we're gonna need him if Carvell does go. I wasn't overly impressed with Evans last year but we're not exactly flush with options. I wouldn't miss Gale, IMHO we'd be better with Gaskell and Sammut at 6 and 7.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]Don't confuse being a true supporter with blind faith. Just because people are dissatisfied with the fact we don't seem to be able to have the same ownership for more than 6 months at a time doesn't mean we're not true supporters. I bought my season ticket at the London game last year, I've been to the pre season friendlies when I could and I'll back the team to the death. That doesn't mean I'm happy that our board room seems to have a revolving door at the moment. As for the story, glad Sidlow is staying. He's a good prop and we're gonna need him if Carvell does go. I wasn't overly impressed with Evans last year but we're not exactly flush with options. I wouldn't miss Gale, IMHO we'd be better with Gaskell and Sammut at 6 and 7. Parz

10:43am Mon 10 Feb 14

Ralphie says...

According to he League Express the current Bradford Bulls 2014 ltd are operating under a 28 day temporary licence to see if a better offer is received.
Richard Lamb, Chaiman of Lucid Direct hopes to be in a position tomake an offer within the next 28 days.
Wakefield are also reported to be interested in Zammut after Lee Smith has left to go to Rugby Union
According to he League Express the current Bradford Bulls 2014 ltd are operating under a 28 day temporary licence to see if a better offer is received. Richard Lamb, Chaiman of Lucid Direct hopes to be in a position tomake an offer within the next 28 days. Wakefield are also reported to be interested in Zammut after Lee Smith has left to go to Rugby Union Ralphie

11:30am Mon 10 Feb 14

MeccaBingo1 says...

expatbull wrote:
Thanks for your kind comments and apologies from myself it seems i didn't read all the story just saw headline and clicked on comments so yes in a way im a donkey,lol.
There are no positives in players leaving if they are committed but GC has been unhappy with his decision to join Bulls for sometime if you believe the rumours, and according to hull papers LG was offered to Hull fc by the Bulls first they refused the offer but now they seem to have changed their minds, so again except my apologies.
At least i do admit when im wrong unlike some on here.
The Gale story appears in an hull local paper .
MeccaBingo1 were exactly does the 20 days for someone to step in appear in this story?, and what you got against Donkeys did one jilt you at sometime
20 Days or so it find better owners.

I cannot see the RFL been happy about whats gone on at the Bulls for the past 3 years.

Current owners/clowns have not got a clue.

RFL will find another owner and offer funds through back door (IMO)
[quote][p][bold]expatbull[/bold] wrote: Thanks for your kind comments and apologies from myself it seems i didn't read all the story just saw headline and clicked on comments so yes in a way im a donkey,lol. There are no positives in players leaving if they are committed but GC has been unhappy with his decision to join Bulls for sometime if you believe the rumours, and according to hull papers LG was offered to Hull fc by the Bulls first they refused the offer but now they seem to have changed their minds, so again except my apologies. At least i do admit when im wrong unlike some on here. The Gale story appears in an hull local paper . MeccaBingo1 were exactly does the 20 days for someone to step in appear in this story?, and what you got against Donkeys did one jilt you at sometime[/p][/quote]20 Days or so it find better owners. I cannot see the RFL been happy about whats gone on at the Bulls for the past 3 years. Current owners/clowns have not got a clue. RFL will find another owner and offer funds through back door (IMO) MeccaBingo1

12:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

myway! says...

I'm glad Sidlow has signed up. He's a decent prop with plenty of years in front of him, he wants to play for us and we need a settled squad!

Looks like more than just Carvell wanting out though, Hull press report Gale is off to Hull too!
http://www.hulldaily
mail.co.uk/Hull-FC-o
ffer-deal-Bradford-B
ulls-half-Luke-Gale/
story-20595260-detai
l/story.html

Really wish someone would get hold of this club and run it properly!
I'm glad Sidlow has signed up. He's a decent prop with plenty of years in front of him, he wants to play for us and we need a settled squad! Looks like more than just Carvell wanting out though, Hull press report Gale is off to Hull too! http://www.hulldaily mail.co.uk/Hull-FC-o ffer-deal-Bradford-B ulls-half-Luke-Gale/ story-20595260-detai l/story.html Really wish someone would get hold of this club and run it properly! myway!

1:22pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Videoref says...

Parz wrote:
The Man From the Pru wrote:
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
Don't confuse being a true supporter with blind faith. Just because people are dissatisfied with the fact we don't seem to be able to have the same ownership for more than 6 months at a time doesn't mean we're not true supporters. I bought my season ticket at the London game last year, I've been to the pre season friendlies when I could and I'll back the team to the death. That doesn't mean I'm happy that our board room seems to have a revolving door at the moment.

As for the story, glad Sidlow is staying. He's a good prop and we're gonna need him if Carvell does go. I wasn't overly impressed with Evans last year but we're not exactly flush with options. I wouldn't miss Gale, IMHO we'd be better with Gaskell and Sammut at 6 and 7.
I agree with most of this. However are we sure Sammut & Gaskell will still be hrere? 2 good players so obvious targets and who's to say they won't look for some security?
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]Don't confuse being a true supporter with blind faith. Just because people are dissatisfied with the fact we don't seem to be able to have the same ownership for more than 6 months at a time doesn't mean we're not true supporters. I bought my season ticket at the London game last year, I've been to the pre season friendlies when I could and I'll back the team to the death. That doesn't mean I'm happy that our board room seems to have a revolving door at the moment. As for the story, glad Sidlow is staying. He's a good prop and we're gonna need him if Carvell does go. I wasn't overly impressed with Evans last year but we're not exactly flush with options. I wouldn't miss Gale, IMHO we'd be better with Gaskell and Sammut at 6 and 7.[/p][/quote]I agree with most of this. However are we sure Sammut & Gaskell will still be hrere? 2 good players so obvious targets and who's to say they won't look for some security? Videoref

1:49pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Parz says...

Videoref wrote:
Parz wrote:
The Man From the Pru wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
Don't confuse being a true supporter with blind faith. Just because people are dissatisfied with the fact we don't seem to be able to have the same ownership for more than 6 months at a time doesn't mean we're not true supporters. I bought my season ticket at the London game last year, I've been to the pre season friendlies when I could and I'll back the team to the death. That doesn't mean I'm happy that our board room seems to have a revolving door at the moment. As for the story, glad Sidlow is staying. He's a good prop and we're gonna need him if Carvell does go. I wasn't overly impressed with Evans last year but we're not exactly flush with options. I wouldn't miss Gale, IMHO we'd be better with Gaskell and Sammut at 6 and 7.
I agree with most of this. However are we sure Sammut & Gaskell will still be hrere? 2 good players so obvious targets and who's to say they won't look for some security?
It's a fair point, I'm obviously assuming they aren't going elsewhere, but who knows with us at the moment! But even if we kept Gale, Sammut and Gaskell, I'd still prefer Gaskell and Sammut as 6 and 7.
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]Don't confuse being a true supporter with blind faith. Just because people are dissatisfied with the fact we don't seem to be able to have the same ownership for more than 6 months at a time doesn't mean we're not true supporters. I bought my season ticket at the London game last year, I've been to the pre season friendlies when I could and I'll back the team to the death. That doesn't mean I'm happy that our board room seems to have a revolving door at the moment. As for the story, glad Sidlow is staying. He's a good prop and we're gonna need him if Carvell does go. I wasn't overly impressed with Evans last year but we're not exactly flush with options. I wouldn't miss Gale, IMHO we'd be better with Gaskell and Sammut at 6 and 7.[/p][/quote]I agree with most of this. However are we sure Sammut & Gaskell will still be hrere? 2 good players so obvious targets and who's to say they won't look for some security?[/p][/quote]It's a fair point, I'm obviously assuming they aren't going elsewhere, but who knows with us at the moment! But even if we kept Gale, Sammut and Gaskell, I'd still prefer Gaskell and Sammut as 6 and 7. Parz

2:51pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

expatbull wrote:
Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.
Can just picture you this morning. Wow a good news story, well from the title anyhow. Now lets give it to those who pick up on bad news and raise questions about the future of the club.

That will show em, hahaha not going to post on here only positive news folks.

Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door.
[quote][p][bold]expatbull[/bold] wrote: Great news, a committed player , but wait whats that i hear ......the moaning grumpy posters are awakening nothing on here for you its a positive story.[/p][/quote]Can just picture you this morning. Wow a good news story, well from the title anyhow. Now lets give it to those who pick up on bad news and raise questions about the future of the club. That will show em, hahaha not going to post on here only positive news folks. Maybe like others suggest and read the story before jumping in with your size 10s then you won't look stupid as you backtrack from a story saying 2 of the Bulls best players finding their way to the exit door. Bacon Bantam

3:29pm Mon 10 Feb 14

shikran says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one.

To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
To all those of you disagree with banker's bonuses crippling the economy in this country I say this, You are not true Brits, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the country around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another country to live in. May I suggest Portugal, as bad off as us, Greece the same, Spain, plus others who are in financial melt down.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]To all those of you disagree with banker's bonuses crippling the economy in this country I say this, You are not true Brits, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the country around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another country to live in. May I suggest Portugal, as bad off as us, Greece the same, Spain, plus others who are in financial melt down. shikran

3:45pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one.

To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
Blind faith, believe all you are told, don't question anything, lap up press releases, Omar saved us.

If not you aren't proper fans and should go elsewhere.

You really have learn't absolutely nothing from 2 admins haven't you.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]Blind faith, believe all you are told, don't question anything, lap up press releases, Omar saved us. If not you aren't proper fans and should go elsewhere. You really have learn't absolutely nothing from 2 admins haven't you. Thee Voice of Reason

3:45pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one.

To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
Blind faith, believe all you are told, don't question anything, lap up press releases, Omar saved us.

If not you aren't proper fans and should go elsewhere.

You really have learn't absolutely nothing from 2 admins haven't you.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]Blind faith, believe all you are told, don't question anything, lap up press releases, Omar saved us. If not you aren't proper fans and should go elsewhere. You really have learn't absolutely nothing from 2 admins haven't you. Thee Voice of Reason

4:40pm Mon 10 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

So once again the oracle has spoken. What he says goes. I learnt from more than one Odsal failure. Who is to say what will happen. Certainly not you. Just because people do not bow down to you we're not seeing the bigger picture, we are. Players happy with the club, read the papers, they say so. But no they are wrong the idiot that is TVOR says so, so it must be so. Get , you know nothing of what goes on at Odsal. Your one thing in life is to run them down no matter what they do. Idiot.

Shikran, we're have you come from? Another Troll jumping on the band wagon that is TVOR. Not a fan I take it.

BB who says Gale is going. Only the Hull Daily Mail, they asked once got rejected, what makes you certain that he's off.

I reiterate if your not true fans of the Bulls, have no faith in what's going on, continue to put down any good news, why stay. It's up to you, your choice, let your feet do your talking.
So once again the oracle has spoken. What he says goes. I learnt from more than one Odsal failure. Who is to say what will happen. Certainly not you. Just because people do not bow down to you we're not seeing the bigger picture, we are. Players happy with the club, read the papers, they say so. But no they are wrong the idiot that is TVOR says so, so it must be so. Get , you know nothing of what goes on at Odsal. Your one thing in life is to run them down no matter what they do. Idiot. Shikran, we're have you come from? Another Troll jumping on the band wagon that is TVOR. Not a fan I take it. BB who says Gale is going. Only the Hull Daily Mail, they asked once got rejected, what makes you certain that he's off. I reiterate if your not true fans of the Bulls, have no faith in what's going on, continue to put down any good news, why stay. It's up to you, your choice, let your feet do your talking. The Man From the Pru

5:17pm Mon 10 Feb 14

THEMANOFSTEEL says...

Luke Gale and Garreth Carvell will be Hull FC players by the time they play Catalans
Anybody who wants to leave just leave is all I can say
This season is going to be a relegation battle simple as
Prepare for some heavy defeats and don't get disheartened is all I can say
It looks like if Carvell goes we will get Jay Pitts. We will bring in Ben Evans again
So we have some new recruits at least. Gaskell and Sammutt in the halves then
Henry will have to step in if these get injured
We need to beat the smaller clubs that's all we have to do this year. Forget the big games. Id play the youth and save the 1st team for games we can win. Will keep them fresh!!
Luke Gale and Garreth Carvell will be Hull FC players by the time they play Catalans Anybody who wants to leave just leave is all I can say This season is going to be a relegation battle simple as Prepare for some heavy defeats and don't get disheartened is all I can say It looks like if Carvell goes we will get Jay Pitts. We will bring in Ben Evans again So we have some new recruits at least. Gaskell and Sammutt in the halves then Henry will have to step in if these get injured We need to beat the smaller clubs that's all we have to do this year. Forget the big games. Id play the youth and save the 1st team for games we can win. Will keep them fresh!! THEMANOFSTEEL

8:47pm Mon 10 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The Man From the Pru wrote:
I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one.

To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.
Blind faith, believe all you are told, don't question anything, lap up press releases, Omar saved us.

If not you aren't proper fans and should go elsewhere.

You really have learn't absolutely nothing from 2 admins haven't you.
Good job we don't believe a word you tell us.
You told us not to waste money on a season ticket because we wouldn't make the start of the season. Think at one point you even felt sorry for anyone who had wasted money on a season ticket.
If you want to meet up at Odsal on Sunday I'll buy you a pint so can drown your sorrows. Less than a week to go, seems like you got it badly wrong.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: I take most of you just skimmed through the article. You did not see that the Bulls have tabled a new offer to Gale, he has a choice. He seems to be very happy at Odsal, going by what he says. He his part of a solid squad of players, who are confident that the season will be a good one. To all those of you dissatisfied with what is happening at Odsal I say this, You are not true supporters, if you were you would stand by, what is going on to turn the club around. If you don't like it, feel we are a laughing stock, then go find another club to follow. May I suggest Trinity, as bad off as us, Broncos the same, Cas, plus others who are in financial melt down.[/p][/quote]Blind faith, believe all you are told, don't question anything, lap up press releases, Omar saved us. If not you aren't proper fans and should go elsewhere. You really have learn't absolutely nothing from 2 admins haven't you.[/p][/quote]Good job we don't believe a word you tell us. You told us not to waste money on a season ticket because we wouldn't make the start of the season. Think at one point you even felt sorry for anyone who had wasted money on a season ticket. If you want to meet up at Odsal on Sunday I'll buy you a pint so can drown your sorrows. Less than a week to go, seems like you got it badly wrong. bradfordbronco

11:06pm Mon 10 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

Gareth Carvell trained with Hull today. Wonder who's paying his wages this week, he hasn't turned up for work with us. Does the Honourable Gent expect the Bulls to pay him for his hard work this week? He probably does!!

Meanwhile Hull are looking for every loophole in the book to avoid paying a transfer fee. Thats how much they value Mr Carvell. They're trying to end Shannon McDonald's contract to make room for Carvell on their salary cap. With a bit of luck they'll be found to have signed him illegally and we can take then to court and claim millions like Leeds did with Harris.

BTW did Hull lose any points or face any sanctions when they took the money and players off Gateshead to save themselves from going bust? Just wondering..... I .don't even remember RFL taking time out to examine the deal.
Gareth Carvell trained with Hull today. Wonder who's paying his wages this week, he hasn't turned up for work with us. Does the Honourable Gent expect the Bulls to pay him for his hard work this week? He probably does!! Meanwhile Hull are looking for every loophole in the book to avoid paying a transfer fee. Thats how much they value Mr Carvell. They're trying to end Shannon McDonald's contract to make room for Carvell on their salary cap. With a bit of luck they'll be found to have signed him illegally and we can take then to court and claim millions like Leeds did with Harris. BTW did Hull lose any points or face any sanctions when they took the money and players off Gateshead to save themselves from going bust? Just wondering..... I .don't even remember RFL taking time out to examine the deal. bradfordbronco

3:14am Tue 11 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing.
And any others.
A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell.

Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them.

I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids.
The Monoploly money has run out.
I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing. And any others. A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell. Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them. I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids. The Monoploly money has run out. Arhmen Noleg

7:38pm Tue 11 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Arhmen Noleg wrote:
I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing.
And any others.
A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell.

Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them.

I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids.
The Monoploly money has run out.
Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly?
(ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)
[quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing. And any others. A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell. Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them. I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids. The Monoploly money has run out.[/p][/quote]Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly? (ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year) raisemeup

8:35pm Tue 11 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

I see the div, with the FAKE name, reckons he knows the finances of the Bulls. I may be wrong but you could be TVOR, trying a new tack, seeing as how you've been proved wrong. But no it's TBC, it's his MO, nicking names.

Along with Gale signing a longer contract, all is boding well for Bulls. All we now is the off field problems, to reach a conclusion. Maybe Richard Lamb will take over and put things back on a solid footing. But I would like to know who the other interested parties are. Come on FBS, TVOR, tell us, you FBS know a man who is part of one, so come on spill the beans. TVOR any thoughts who they are, NO, I find that hard to believe?
I see the div, with the FAKE name, reckons he knows the finances of the Bulls. I may be wrong but you could be TVOR, trying a new tack, seeing as how you've been proved wrong. But no it's TBC, it's his MO, nicking names. Along with Gale signing a longer contract, all is boding well for Bulls. All we now is the off field problems, to reach a conclusion. Maybe Richard Lamb will take over and put things back on a solid footing. But I would like to know who the other interested parties are. Come on FBS, TVOR, tell us, you FBS know a man who is part of one, so come on spill the beans. TVOR any thoughts who they are, NO, I find that hard to believe? The Man From the Pru

1:11am Wed 12 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

raisemeup wrote:
Arhmen Noleg wrote:
I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing.
And any others.
A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell.

Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them.

I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids.
The Monoploly money has run out.
Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly?
(ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)
Precisely.
I find the wages bill staggering.
Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November.
I think that's ALL wages not players only.
Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago.
At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2.
Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day?

2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit.

Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall.
Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019.
Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support.
But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually.
Just keep reading it all Raisemeup
My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses.
But my brains trained to.
I do not make these figures up.
So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November.
And fight it bloody well will be.
Cos we don't know how much of that is spent.
But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing. And any others. A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell. Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them. I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids. The Monoploly money has run out.[/p][/quote]Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly? (ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)[/p][/quote]Precisely. I find the wages bill staggering. Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November. I think that's ALL wages not players only. Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago. At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2. Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day? 2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit. Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall. Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019. Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support. But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually. Just keep reading it all Raisemeup My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses. But my brains trained to. I do not make these figures up. So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November. And fight it bloody well will be. Cos we don't know how much of that is spent. But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before. Arhmen Noleg

11:39am Wed 12 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

Arhmen Noleg wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Arhmen Noleg wrote:
I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing.
And any others.
A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell.

Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them.

I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids.
The Monoploly money has run out.
Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly?
(ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)
Precisely.
I find the wages bill staggering.
Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November.
I think that's ALL wages not players only.
Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago.
At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2.
Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day?

2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit.

Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall.
Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019.
Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support.
But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually.
Just keep reading it all Raisemeup
My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses.
But my brains trained to.
I do not make these figures up.
So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November.
And fight it bloody well will be.
Cos we don't know how much of that is spent.
But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.
Yeah well, you can prove anything with facts can't you
[quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing. And any others. A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell. Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them. I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids. The Monoploly money has run out.[/p][/quote]Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly? (ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)[/p][/quote]Precisely. I find the wages bill staggering. Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November. I think that's ALL wages not players only. Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago. At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2. Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day? 2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit. Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall. Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019. Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support. But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually. Just keep reading it all Raisemeup My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses. But my brains trained to. I do not make these figures up. So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November. And fight it bloody well will be. Cos we don't know how much of that is spent. But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.[/p][/quote]Yeah well, you can prove anything with facts can't you StevieLad

12:35pm Wed 12 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Arhmen Noleg wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Arhmen Noleg wrote:
I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing.
And any others.
A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell.

Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them.

I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids.
The Monoploly money has run out.
Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly?
(ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)
Precisely.
I find the wages bill staggering.
Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November.
I think that's ALL wages not players only.
Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago.
At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2.
Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day?

2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit.

Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall.
Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019.
Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support.
But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually.
Just keep reading it all Raisemeup
My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses.
But my brains trained to.
I do not make these figures up.
So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November.
And fight it bloody well will be.
Cos we don't know how much of that is spent.
But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.
I bet the long winter evenings just fly by???
So you are wrong on the £220k aren't you? You are quoting figures only to back up your somewhat negativity are you not?
For example you imply that the council paid out £5.4 million to help the Bulls in 2002 when they moved back, from VP.
Basically I knew you had califudged the figures to make us look the villains of the piece by taking money from the ratepayers of Bradford.
Now you tell us as it was, merely a compensationary package for the Bulls taking on the running of the Stadium ( by the way that was all the drinks sales). Even when you talk about the £1.2m alleged H&S they had to pay out.
That being the case it was a legal obligation on the Council as they owned the ground at the time.
The Guilfoyle figures are at best out of sink with the actual and final report from P&A partnership.
And even if they were paid in the heyday of the Bulls (which they weren't) we would have been slated for breaches of the salary cap every year since it's inception...so get real, and if quoting any figures be absolutely sure, and also give the reasons and the lead up to them all. Otherwise people will see you for someone who is only interested in destroying and not saving the institutions that make a community what it is.
Loads of faults, loads of problems, but they stick together to make sense of their lives and the future of their kids, and future generations.
Remember what Churchill said>
"What good is living, if we can't make life better for future generations!"
What are you trying to achieve???
[quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing. And any others. A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell. Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them. I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids. The Monoploly money has run out.[/p][/quote]Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly? (ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)[/p][/quote]Precisely. I find the wages bill staggering. Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November. I think that's ALL wages not players only. Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago. At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2. Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day? 2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit. Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall. Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019. Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support. But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually. Just keep reading it all Raisemeup My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses. But my brains trained to. I do not make these figures up. So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November. And fight it bloody well will be. Cos we don't know how much of that is spent. But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.[/p][/quote]I bet the long winter evenings just fly by??? So you are wrong on the £220k aren't you? You are quoting figures only to back up your somewhat negativity are you not? For example you imply that the council paid out £5.4 million to help the Bulls in 2002 when they moved back, from VP. Basically I knew you had califudged the figures to make us look the villains of the piece by taking money from the ratepayers of Bradford. Now you tell us as it was, merely a compensationary package for the Bulls taking on the running of the Stadium ( by the way that was all the drinks sales). Even when you talk about the £1.2m alleged H&S they had to pay out. That being the case it was a legal obligation on the Council as they owned the ground at the time. The Guilfoyle figures are at best out of sink with the actual and final report from P&A partnership. And even if they were paid in the heyday of the Bulls (which they weren't) we would have been slated for breaches of the salary cap every year since it's inception...so get real, and if quoting any figures be absolutely sure, and also give the reasons and the lead up to them all. Otherwise people will see you for someone who is only interested in destroying and not saving the institutions that make a community what it is. Loads of faults, loads of problems, but they stick together to make sense of their lives and the future of their kids, and future generations. Remember what Churchill said> "What good is living, if we can't make life better for future generations!" What are you trying to achieve??? raisemeup

3:33pm Wed 12 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

raisemeup wrote:
Arhmen Noleg wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Arhmen Noleg wrote:
I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing.
And any others.
A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell.

Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them.

I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids.
The Monoploly money has run out.
Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly?
(ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)
Precisely.
I find the wages bill staggering.
Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November.
I think that's ALL wages not players only.
Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago.
At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2.
Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day?

2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit.

Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall.
Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019.
Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support.
But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually.
Just keep reading it all Raisemeup
My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses.
But my brains trained to.
I do not make these figures up.
So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November.
And fight it bloody well will be.
Cos we don't know how much of that is spent.
But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.
I bet the long winter evenings just fly by???
So you are wrong on the £220k aren't you? You are quoting figures only to back up your somewhat negativity are you not?
For example you imply that the council paid out £5.4 million to help the Bulls in 2002 when they moved back, from VP.
Basically I knew you had califudged the figures to make us look the villains of the piece by taking money from the ratepayers of Bradford.
Now you tell us as it was, merely a compensationary package for the Bulls taking on the running of the Stadium ( by the way that was all the drinks sales). Even when you talk about the £1.2m alleged H&S they had to pay out.
That being the case it was a legal obligation on the Council as they owned the ground at the time.
The Guilfoyle figures are at best out of sink with the actual and final report from P&A partnership.
And even if they were paid in the heyday of the Bulls (which they weren't) we would have been slated for breaches of the salary cap every year since it's inception...so get real, and if quoting any figures be absolutely sure, and also give the reasons and the lead up to them all. Otherwise people will see you for someone who is only interested in destroying and not saving the institutions that make a community what it is.
Loads of faults, loads of problems, but they stick together to make sense of their lives and the future of their kids, and future generations.
Remember what Churchill said>
"What good is living, if we can't make life better for future generations!"
What are you trying to achieve???
Here you go all confrontational again.
The wages mothly figure out in ALL media by those tasked into "running" the club previously is £220000 a month.

I have absolutely no issue about the Bradford Ratepayer.
Personally I think Bradford Council are hopeless at support for it.
You jumpdown everyones throat I am afraid.
What am I trying to achieve?
The same as you..The long term survival and prosperity of the Bulls.
An understanding of all the costs the Bulls face with running the club is pretty basic tool for survival.
Financial control has been shocking.
If you cannot even interpret my admiration for Caisley in managing to find all that success against annual losses reported of over £350k and over £500k in 2003 and 2004,a failing stadium (Hood is quoted as saying it cost £35000 just to fix a blockage in the ladies toilets 20 metes down)I am sorry.
The warnings and sentiments of Caisley Hood and others are all there in the press that the doomsday position of today would arrive.
Please show me the P @ A report that contradicts what guilfoyle publically is quoted.That wages were the figure given above.

I imply nothing by the way other than that the Bulls have been managed financially shockingly for a very long time and to survive that needs to change.AS these 3 recognize.
The figure of 5.4 million is out there somewhere.I do not just invent things.
Probably the £4.68 million cash given to Bulls over 2003and 2004 (where a coral stand and hospitality built)and the money spent by the council in bringing Odsal back to use under H & S law.
It matters not.

Its gone.

Understanding of past msitakes can help ensure they are not repeated with tight financial control.
Sadly it has had to get to this to understand that.

By the way Guilfoyle is part of the P @ A partnership.
Now stop your angst here and channel it into your decent last sentence.
Because that and another 8 to 10000 of you is whats needed.

The three committed Amigos do NOT have the resources to fund the figures of the past.Understand that?
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Arhmen Noleg[/bold] wrote: I Carvell was a bigger earner I think it could be a blessing. And any others. A £220000 a month wage bill is unsustainable with creditors to start repaying aswell. Ask Omar or Whtcut or Sutcliffe. If you can find them. I said it 15 months ago and say it again.Play the kids. The Monoploly money has run out.[/p][/quote]Where you get your figures from is beyond me> No club is allowed to spend over the salary cap on it's players. ie £1.65m as at moment, your figures then assume the Bulls pay the team etc. at £137,500 pm and a further £83,000 pm for ancillarly staff. I think you are the one playing monopoly? (ie Your figures are at £2.65m per year)[/p][/quote]Precisely. I find the wages bill staggering. Guifoyle was quoting that monthly figure and it was quoted in this paper by Ross when news of the debts broke in November. I think that's ALL wages not players only. Spent a few hours researching Telegraph Argus Archive of 10 years ago. At height of Bullmania taken to total 20 staff from 2. Did Hood not say it costs £20k to open the gates an service match day? 2005 first year made a profit.Hood quoted.Small Profit. Caisley was the master terrified Magaret Eaton (now Baroness)with damages and Legal costs bill if Bulls litigated for unfit for purpose Odsall. Under agreement council had to pay Bulls £300k a year from 1986 after Northern gave up some rights to drink sales etc index linked till 2019. Then his master stroke. £4.68 million in 2002 to pay that off but Bulls then to maintain ground.Only after Council spent £1.2 m on health and safety work to return to Odsal.. CC was the master in securing support. But that's alll gone sadly and its a wait game till full sky funding.looking like nearer £2 million annually. Just keep reading it all Raisemeup My brain remembers numbers that make up the losses. But my brains trained to. I do not make these figures up. So its fight on with £650k sky dosh this year till November. And fight it bloody well will be. Cos we don't know how much of that is spent. But the Bulls need their fans more than ever before.[/p][/quote]I bet the long winter evenings just fly by??? So you are wrong on the £220k aren't you? You are quoting figures only to back up your somewhat negativity are you not? For example you imply that the council paid out £5.4 million to help the Bulls in 2002 when they moved back, from VP. Basically I knew you had califudged the figures to make us look the villains of the piece by taking money from the ratepayers of Bradford. Now you tell us as it was, merely a compensationary package for the Bulls taking on the running of the Stadium ( by the way that was all the drinks sales). Even when you talk about the £1.2m alleged H&S they had to pay out. That being the case it was a legal obligation on the Council as they owned the ground at the time. The Guilfoyle figures are at best out of sink with the actual and final report from P&A partnership. And even if they were paid in the heyday of the Bulls (which they weren't) we would have been slated for breaches of the salary cap every year since it's inception...so get real, and if quoting any figures be absolutely sure, and also give the reasons and the lead up to them all. Otherwise people will see you for someone who is only interested in destroying and not saving the institutions that make a community what it is. Loads of faults, loads of problems, but they stick together to make sense of their lives and the future of their kids, and future generations. Remember what Churchill said> "What good is living, if we can't make life better for future generations!" What are you trying to achieve???[/p][/quote]Here you go all confrontational again. The wages mothly figure out in ALL media by those tasked into "running" the club previously is £220000 a month. I have absolutely no issue about the Bradford Ratepayer. Personally I think Bradford Council are hopeless at support for it. You jumpdown everyones throat I am afraid. What am I trying to achieve? The same as you..The long term survival and prosperity of the Bulls. An understanding of all the costs the Bulls face with running the club is pretty basic tool for survival. Financial control has been shocking. If you cannot even interpret my admiration for Caisley in managing to find all that success against annual losses reported of over £350k and over £500k in 2003 and 2004,a failing stadium (Hood is quoted as saying it cost £35000 just to fix a blockage in the ladies toilets 20 metes down)I am sorry. The warnings and sentiments of Caisley Hood and others are all there in the press that the doomsday position of today would arrive. Please show me the P @ A report that contradicts what guilfoyle publically is quoted.That wages were the figure given above. I imply nothing by the way other than that the Bulls have been managed financially shockingly for a very long time and to survive that needs to change.AS these 3 recognize. The figure of 5.4 million is out there somewhere.I do not just invent things. Probably the £4.68 million cash given to Bulls over 2003and 2004 (where a coral stand and hospitality built)and the money spent by the council in bringing Odsal back to use under H & S law. It matters not. Its gone. Understanding of past msitakes can help ensure they are not repeated with tight financial control. Sadly it has had to get to this to understand that. By the way Guilfoyle is part of the P @ A partnership. Now stop your angst here and channel it into your decent last sentence. Because that and another 8 to 10000 of you is whats needed. The three committed Amigos do NOT have the resources to fund the figures of the past.Understand that? Arhmen Noleg

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