Bradford Bulls player Garreth Carvell in contract dispute following Hull FC interest

Garreth Carvell's future at Bulls is in serious doubt

Garreth Carvell's future at Bulls is in serious doubt

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Garreth Carvell’s future remained uncertain last night as he attempts to secure a move away from Bradford to Hull FC.

The close-season signing from Warrington is in dispute with the Bulls over his contract following the administration of OK Bulls Ltd last Friday.

The Bulls said that “all players, employees and assets have been transferred to the new company”, namely Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd.

Carvell signed a two-year contract with the Bulls last year and is understood to have been offered a one-year deal at Hull, with the option for a second year, and on improved terms.

It is unclear whether Hull will offer Bradford a monetary settlement for a player who has made it clear he wants to leave the Provident Stadium.

An RFL spokesman said the dispute over the 32-year-old prop’s contract at Bradford was “an issue for the player, his club and his agent”.

Neither Carvell nor his agent, Andy Clarke, were available for comment but both Hull and Bradford used their official club websites to make statements on the subject.

The Black and Whites said: “Hull FC have confirmed that they’re monitoring the on-going contract situation of former forward Garreth Carvell.

“The club have been made aware of Carvell’s availability and could look to formalise a deal for the Challenge Cup winner in the near future once his situation has been clarified.”

That provoked a swift response from the Bulls, who said: “To say we are baffled by talk that another club is ‘monitoring’ an ‘on-going contract situation’ would be an understatement.

“We can confirm that no form of deal has been sanctioned by the board of directors.

“Our message is very, very clear: Leave our team alone. No-one is for sale.”

Sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal, said Carvell would legally be within his rights to walk away from his contract with Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd provided he notified the club on the day of the change of ownership.

He said: “There is no obligation from the employer to ask the employee if they wish to transfer their contract from the old to new company – the transfer automatically takes place.

“But under regulation four of the TUPE regulations 2006, an employee has the right to terminate his contract of employment by giving notice on the day of the transfer of the undertaking.

“If he has given proper notice under that TUPE regulation then he can lawfully bring that employment contract to an end.

“But it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up."

It remains to be seen whether the Bulls will lodge an official complaint with the RFL over the circumstances of Carvell wanting to join Hull.

Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell.

He added: “The reality is that it will be difficult for Bradford to raise any objections and I think they’ve probably lost him as a player.

“The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up.

“My prediction is that he will end up at Hull and they will end up paying Bradford some compensation.”

Bulls officials will meet with the RFL today as they seek ratification of the change of ownership and transferral of the club’s RFL membership and Super League licence.

The issue of Carvell’s future is also likely to be on the agenda, although the governing body are not expected to announce today what sanction, if any, the Bulls face for entering administration.

The club met with players yesterday to clarify the situation over their contracts in the light of the change of ownership.

 

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7:37am Fri 7 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

At last somebody has explained the TUPE rule. Wonder why we've had so many other versions put forward by so many different people!. Don't think he would have terminated his contracted so lets get a fee and bring back Ben Evans. For all we know Hull FC might not want him if they have to pay a fee. They weren't after him before his agent contacted them. Doubt if Carvell wanted to leave till his agent got involved. One things for certain the agent will do ok out of it. Can we survive without a 32 year prop of course we can. Keep the faith
At last somebody has explained the TUPE rule. Wonder why we've had so many other versions put forward by so many different people!. Don't think he would have terminated his contracted so lets get a fee and bring back Ben Evans. For all we know Hull FC might not want him if they have to pay a fee. They weren't after him before his agent contacted them. Doubt if Carvell wanted to leave till his agent got involved. One things for certain the agent will do ok out of it. Can we survive without a 32 year prop of course we can. Keep the faith bradfordbronco
  • Score: 17

8:11am Fri 7 Feb 14

mines a pint says...

So StevieLad / rogerthat! who needs to get their facts right now!!!!!!!!

It would appear that regarding this forum opinions are like a holes in that everyone has one FACTS on the other hand seem hard to come by

Read this article in particular the quote from sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal

It clearly states in order to reject the transfer o contract Carvel must have notified Bradford Bulls 2014 of is wish not to have is transfer of contract
" on the day of the change of ownership"

The transfer of his contract would be seem as a material fact which had a direct impact on the value of the total assets of the business being acquired & something the acquiring company should be informed of

He goes on to say

"“it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up..........."

The article states

"Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell."

He further states

“The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up."

Think this pretty much confirms what I posted yesterday & was ridiculed by a few who think they know everything but in reality no Sh*T

this is confirmation from a sports lawyer not a word for word replication of my posts but all the same it has the same conclusion

Like I said I admit not to knowing everything about TUPE regulations which is why on the numerous occasions I have had to apply them I have always used the services of a qualified person

As I said facts are rare & opinions are like a holes

No doubt all the barrack room lawyers, armchair fans & aholes will find some new conspiracy in all this & totally disagree with the statement of a qualified sports lawyer but only on the basis that they love the sound of their own voice spouting BS
So StevieLad / rogerthat! who needs to get their facts right now!!!!!!!! It would appear that regarding this forum opinions are like a holes in that everyone has one FACTS on the other hand seem hard to come by Read this article in particular the quote from sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal It clearly states in order to reject the transfer o contract Carvel must have notified Bradford Bulls 2014 of is wish not to have is transfer of contract " on the day of the change of ownership" The transfer of his contract would be seem as a material fact which had a direct impact on the value of the total assets of the business being acquired & something the acquiring company should be informed of He goes on to say "“it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up..........." The article states "Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell." He further states “The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up." Think this pretty much confirms what I posted yesterday & was ridiculed by a few who think they know everything but in reality no Sh*T this is confirmation from a sports lawyer not a word for word replication of my posts but all the same it has the same conclusion Like I said I admit not to knowing everything about TUPE regulations which is why on the numerous occasions I have had to apply them I have always used the services of a qualified person As I said facts are rare & opinions are like a holes No doubt all the barrack room lawyers, armchair fans & aholes will find some new conspiracy in all this & totally disagree with the statement of a qualified sports lawyer but only on the basis that they love the sound of their own voice spouting BS mines a pint
  • Score: -1

8:14am Fri 7 Feb 14

rogerthat! says...

The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out.
Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat!
Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload.
Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES. rogerthat!
  • Score: -9

8:31am Fri 7 Feb 14

bully4us says...

If he has said he wants to leave then that is it. We should agree a payment and as said above go get Evans back. You can't make a player want to play for you - so get rid now. If we go down we go down fighting with players who want to play for us!
If he has said he wants to leave then that is it. We should agree a payment and as said above go get Evans back. You can't make a player want to play for you - so get rid now. If we go down we go down fighting with players who want to play for us! bully4us
  • Score: 12

8:44am Fri 7 Feb 14

UNBULLIEVABLE says...

Oh remember the days when players actually WANTED to play for the BULLS ... I do and we will perhaps see that again ( in a few years). Let him go , get some cash (or swap) if you can and MOVE ON
Oh remember the days when players actually WANTED to play for the BULLS ... I do and we will perhaps see that again ( in a few years). Let him go , get some cash (or swap) if you can and MOVE ON UNBULLIEVABLE
  • Score: 12

8:51am Fri 7 Feb 14

mines a pint says...

rogerthat! wrote:
The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out.
Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat!
Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload.
Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
Well done completely avoid the points made in the post

You previously accused me of not knowing the facts

Now that a sports lawyer has confirmed exactly what I said you conveniently forget previous posts

Typical moronic n** head can not admit when their wrong just spouts more billious BS

Just do one!
[quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]Well done completely avoid the points made in the post You previously accused me of not knowing the facts Now that a sports lawyer has confirmed exactly what I said you conveniently forget previous posts Typical moronic n** head can not admit when their wrong just spouts more billious BS Just do one! mines a pint
  • Score: -3

8:59am Fri 7 Feb 14

bullsone03 says...

bully4us wrote:
If he has said he wants to leave then that is it. We should agree a payment and as said above go get Evans back. You can't make a player want to play for you - so get rid now. If we go down we go down fighting with players who want to play for us!
I agree if he wants to go then let him go but I also think that Evans dose not want to be at bradford because he has said already in one article that he wants to try and make it at warrington so mabe see if jay Pitts wants to come instead he is not a bad player
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: If he has said he wants to leave then that is it. We should agree a payment and as said above go get Evans back. You can't make a player want to play for you - so get rid now. If we go down we go down fighting with players who want to play for us![/p][/quote]I agree if he wants to go then let him go but I also think that Evans dose not want to be at bradford because he has said already in one article that he wants to try and make it at warrington so mabe see if jay Pitts wants to come instead he is not a bad player bullsone03
  • Score: 5

9:24am Fri 7 Feb 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.
Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -2

9:27am Fri 7 Feb 14

rogerthat! says...

mines a pint wrote:
rogerthat! wrote:
The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out.
Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat!
Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload.
Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
Well done completely avoid the points made in the post

You previously accused me of not knowing the facts

Now that a sports lawyer has confirmed exactly what I said you conveniently forget previous posts

Typical moronic n** head can not admit when their wrong just spouts more billious BS

Just do one!
Facts ! We'll Carvell has just said not been Paid for 2months and Lads lost Wages as old Company in Administration. How many people would work for Nothing???. How can you ever dare criticize a Player. for getting out of that ship wreck called Bradford Bulls????. Another new name coming up??? RFL get in there and clear the rubbish out and start again. NO MORE LIes.
[quote][p][bold]mines a pint[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]Well done completely avoid the points made in the post You previously accused me of not knowing the facts Now that a sports lawyer has confirmed exactly what I said you conveniently forget previous posts Typical moronic n** head can not admit when their wrong just spouts more billious BS Just do one![/p][/quote]Facts ! We'll Carvell has just said not been Paid for 2months and Lads lost Wages as old Company in Administration. How many people would work for Nothing???. How can you ever dare criticize a Player. for getting out of that ship wreck called Bradford Bulls????. Another new name coming up??? RFL get in there and clear the rubbish out and start again. NO MORE LIes. rogerthat!
  • Score: 1

9:42am Fri 7 Feb 14

Videoref says...

With all the c**p that this club has gone through in the past 18months, if you are looking to fill the squad with players who are good and want to play for Bradford you have more chance of locating Lord Lucan riding to the rescue on Shergar.
As stated above 2 weeks ago, RHP said ALL players could look to move elsewhere-now they have done, they are vilified as traitors!
Get real, if you were coming to the end of your career, were offered a 2 year contract and promised an extention into team management to follow only to be told 'we're broke-you have to take a 20% paycut, if you stay, we can't offer you any security or you can leave if you want' what would you do? Put your body on the line for 80% or look to get a job elsewhere and pay your mortgage?
Before you trot out the loyalty line, think how much loyalty has been shown by the club to the fans & players.
Where is Maurice when we need him??
With all the c**p that this club has gone through in the past 18months, if you are looking to fill the squad with players who are good and want to play for Bradford you have more chance of locating Lord Lucan riding to the rescue on Shergar. As stated above 2 weeks ago, RHP said ALL players could look to move elsewhere-now they have done, they are vilified as traitors! Get real, if you were coming to the end of your career, were offered a 2 year contract and promised an extention into team management to follow only to be told 'we're broke-you have to take a 20% paycut, if you stay, we can't offer you any security or you can leave if you want' what would you do? Put your body on the line for 80% or look to get a job elsewhere and pay your mortgage? Before you trot out the loyalty line, think how much loyalty has been shown by the club to the fans & players. Where is Maurice when we need him?? Videoref
  • Score: 9

9:47am Fri 7 Feb 14

Videoref says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.
And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.[/p][/quote]And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly) Videoref
  • Score: 5

9:48am Fri 7 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

What amazes me is how Roger and out KNOWS that the players we asked to take a cut in wages, not been paid for two months and have lost wages through take over. Amazing when you think, that a players has just bought a new house. Another a new car.
What amazes me is how Roger and out KNOWS that the players we asked to take a cut in wages, not been paid for two months and have lost wages through take over. Amazing when you think, that a players has just bought a new house. Another a new car. The Man From the Pru
  • Score: 3

10:36am Fri 7 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

mines a pint wrote:
So StevieLad / rogerthat! who needs to get their facts right now!!!!!!!!

It would appear that regarding this forum opinions are like a holes in that everyone has one FACTS on the other hand seem hard to come by

Read this article in particular the quote from sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal

It clearly states in order to reject the transfer o contract Carvel must have notified Bradford Bulls 2014 of is wish not to have is transfer of contract
" on the day of the change of ownership"

The transfer of his contract would be seem as a material fact which had a direct impact on the value of the total assets of the business being acquired & something the acquiring company should be informed of

He goes on to say

"“it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up..........."

The article states

"Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell."

He further states

“The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up."

Think this pretty much confirms what I posted yesterday & was ridiculed by a few who think they know everything but in reality no Sh*T

this is confirmation from a sports lawyer not a word for word replication of my posts but all the same it has the same conclusion

Like I said I admit not to knowing everything about TUPE regulations which is why on the numerous occasions I have had to apply them I have always used the services of a qualified person

As I said facts are rare & opinions are like a holes

No doubt all the barrack room lawyers, armchair fans & aholes will find some new conspiracy in all this & totally disagree with the statement of a qualified sports lawyer but only on the basis that they love the sound of their own voice spouting BS
Well done, love the agression but why exactly are you calling me out? I say something wrong?
[quote][p][bold]mines a pint[/bold] wrote: So StevieLad / rogerthat! who needs to get their facts right now!!!!!!!! It would appear that regarding this forum opinions are like a holes in that everyone has one FACTS on the other hand seem hard to come by Read this article in particular the quote from sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal It clearly states in order to reject the transfer o contract Carvel must have notified Bradford Bulls 2014 of is wish not to have is transfer of contract " on the day of the change of ownership" The transfer of his contract would be seem as a material fact which had a direct impact on the value of the total assets of the business being acquired & something the acquiring company should be informed of He goes on to say "“it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up..........." The article states "Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell." He further states “The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up." Think this pretty much confirms what I posted yesterday & was ridiculed by a few who think they know everything but in reality no Sh*T this is confirmation from a sports lawyer not a word for word replication of my posts but all the same it has the same conclusion Like I said I admit not to knowing everything about TUPE regulations which is why on the numerous occasions I have had to apply them I have always used the services of a qualified person As I said facts are rare & opinions are like a holes No doubt all the barrack room lawyers, armchair fans & aholes will find some new conspiracy in all this & totally disagree with the statement of a qualified sports lawyer but only on the basis that they love the sound of their own voice spouting BS[/p][/quote]Well done, love the agression but why exactly are you calling me out? I say something wrong? StevieLad
  • Score: 0

11:02am Fri 7 Feb 14

Reading Bullette says...

rogerthat! wrote:
The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out.
Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat!
Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload.
Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.
[quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted. Reading Bullette
  • Score: 6

11:04am Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

StevieLad wrote:
mines a pint wrote: So StevieLad / rogerthat! who needs to get their facts right now!!!!!!!! It would appear that regarding this forum opinions are like a holes in that everyone has one FACTS on the other hand seem hard to come by Read this article in particular the quote from sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal It clearly states in order to reject the transfer o contract Carvel must have notified Bradford Bulls 2014 of is wish not to have is transfer of contract " on the day of the change of ownership" The transfer of his contract would be seem as a material fact which had a direct impact on the value of the total assets of the business being acquired & something the acquiring company should be informed of He goes on to say "“it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up..........." The article states "Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell." He further states “The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up." Think this pretty much confirms what I posted yesterday & was ridiculed by a few who think they know everything but in reality no Sh*T this is confirmation from a sports lawyer not a word for word replication of my posts but all the same it has the same conclusion Like I said I admit not to knowing everything about TUPE regulations which is why on the numerous occasions I have had to apply them I have always used the services of a qualified person As I said facts are rare & opinions are like a holes No doubt all the barrack room lawyers, armchair fans & aholes will find some new conspiracy in all this & totally disagree with the statement of a qualified sports lawyer but only on the basis that they love the sound of their own voice spouting BS
Well done, love the agression but why exactly are you calling me out? I say something wrong?
Some believe all they read if it falling in the catergory of what they want to believe.

So back in November when they said the threat of Administration was rubbish, all and sundry on here believed it, except a few who said it for what it was, rubbish.

Fast forward a couple of months, a winding up order and an administration later and the same people still think all is rosey in the garden, that they are the victims and Bulls are being treated unfairly and Carvell is a traitor for wanting out having seen nothing but a circus since he signed for them 6 months ago.
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mines a pint[/bold] wrote: So StevieLad / rogerthat! who needs to get their facts right now!!!!!!!! It would appear that regarding this forum opinions are like a holes in that everyone has one FACTS on the other hand seem hard to come by Read this article in particular the quote from sports lawyer Richard Cramer, of Leeds-based firm FrontRow Legal It clearly states in order to reject the transfer o contract Carvel must have notified Bradford Bulls 2014 of is wish not to have is transfer of contract " on the day of the change of ownership" The transfer of his contract would be seem as a material fact which had a direct impact on the value of the total assets of the business being acquired & something the acquiring company should be informed of He goes on to say "“it would be highly unusual for a player to walk out on a contract without having some form of alternative employment lined up..........." The article states "Cramer believes the situation will be resolved by Hull paying Bradford a monetary settlement for Carvell." He further states “The question is what rights Bradford have got and I suppose the only rights they have got is whether they could prove that the player had been tapped up." Think this pretty much confirms what I posted yesterday & was ridiculed by a few who think they know everything but in reality no Sh*T this is confirmation from a sports lawyer not a word for word replication of my posts but all the same it has the same conclusion Like I said I admit not to knowing everything about TUPE regulations which is why on the numerous occasions I have had to apply them I have always used the services of a qualified person As I said facts are rare & opinions are like a holes No doubt all the barrack room lawyers, armchair fans & aholes will find some new conspiracy in all this & totally disagree with the statement of a qualified sports lawyer but only on the basis that they love the sound of their own voice spouting BS[/p][/quote]Well done, love the agression but why exactly are you calling me out? I say something wrong?[/p][/quote]Some believe all they read if it falling in the catergory of what they want to believe. So back in November when they said the threat of Administration was rubbish, all and sundry on here believed it, except a few who said it for what it was, rubbish. Fast forward a couple of months, a winding up order and an administration later and the same people still think all is rosey in the garden, that they are the victims and Bulls are being treated unfairly and Carvell is a traitor for wanting out having seen nothing but a circus since he signed for them 6 months ago. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: -2

11:04am Fri 7 Feb 14

blue marlin says...

unrelated topic by sky sports report that glenn Morrison is on short list for New Zealand coach's job
unrelated topic by sky sports report that glenn Morrison is on short list for New Zealand coach's job blue marlin
  • Score: 4

11:06am Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Reading Bullette wrote:
rogerthat! wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.
Thats alright then.

Accept your contract has been moved or you don't get paid for last month.

Brilliant.

The Circus goes on.
[quote][p][bold]Reading Bullette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.[/p][/quote]Thats alright then. Accept your contract has been moved or you don't get paid for last month. Brilliant. The Circus goes on. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: -2

11:13am Fri 7 Feb 14

northern pig says...

To end all the conjecture and speculation that is flying about.,regarding pay cuts being imposed upon the players,players wishing to leave etc.It is time for the club to issued a statement to address where everybody stands at this moment in time. It is only last week,we were promised TRANSPARENCY on all matters regarding the club and the players.Its not happening!! .The fans deserve to know what is happening on a daily basis in this ever changing situation.
To end all the conjecture and speculation that is flying about.,regarding pay cuts being imposed upon the players,players wishing to leave etc.It is time for the club to issued a statement to address where everybody stands at this moment in time. It is only last week,we were promised TRANSPARENCY on all matters regarding the club and the players.Its not happening!! .The fans deserve to know what is happening on a daily basis in this ever changing situation. northern pig
  • Score: 10

11:26am Fri 7 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

Rogerthat, where are you getting your info from? Do you know more than a Lawyer? Bacon no circus, rules are rules, if they accepted the money from BB2014, then they have accepted the contract. If there is/was any doubt the will have contacted their agents/Union to clear up confusion.

As yet no other player has said anything, that as been made public. Why? If according to some on here they're queuing to get out.
Rogerthat, where are you getting your info from? Do you know more than a Lawyer? Bacon no circus, rules are rules, if they accepted the money from BB2014, then they have accepted the contract. If there is/was any doubt the will have contacted their agents/Union to clear up confusion. As yet no other player has said anything, that as been made public. Why? If according to some on here they're queuing to get out. The Man From the Pru
  • Score: -1

11:28am Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Reading Bullette wrote:
rogerthat! wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.
Another point to this. If the new company was going to work with creditors of the old club, then unpaid wages would be a creditor and to keep to their word they would have to pay them and that wouldn't mean acceptance from the player of the transfer just that the new company had kept it's promise of working with creditors from the old.
[quote][p][bold]Reading Bullette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.[/p][/quote]Another point to this. If the new company was going to work with creditors of the old club, then unpaid wages would be a creditor and to keep to their word they would have to pay them and that wouldn't mean acceptance from the player of the transfer just that the new company had kept it's promise of working with creditors from the old. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: 1

11:50am Fri 7 Feb 14

blue marlin says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Reading Bullette wrote:
rogerthat! wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.
Another point to this. If the new company was going to work with creditors of the old club, then unpaid wages would be a creditor and to keep to their word they would have to pay them and that wouldn't mean acceptance from the player of the transfer just that the new company had kept it's promise of working with creditors from the old.
is the new company / set up working with creditors?
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reading Bullette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.[/p][/quote]Another point to this. If the new company was going to work with creditors of the old club, then unpaid wages would be a creditor and to keep to their word they would have to pay them and that wouldn't mean acceptance from the player of the transfer just that the new company had kept it's promise of working with creditors from the old.[/p][/quote]is the new company / set up working with creditors? blue marlin
  • Score: 2

11:57am Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
Rogerthat, where are you getting your info from? Do you know more than a Lawyer? Bacon no circus, rules are rules, if they accepted the money from BB2014, then they have accepted the contract. If there is/was any doubt the will have contacted their agents/Union to clear up confusion. As yet no other player has said anything, that as been made public. Why? If according to some on here they're queuing to get out.
Rules are rules. Lets see if your singing from that hymn sheet if the RFL issue a points deduction.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: Rogerthat, where are you getting your info from? Do you know more than a Lawyer? Bacon no circus, rules are rules, if they accepted the money from BB2014, then they have accepted the contract. If there is/was any doubt the will have contacted their agents/Union to clear up confusion. As yet no other player has said anything, that as been made public. Why? If according to some on here they're queuing to get out.[/p][/quote]Rules are rules. Lets see if your singing from that hymn sheet if the RFL issue a points deduction. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: -3

12:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

blue marlin wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Reading Bullette wrote:
rogerthat! wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.
But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.
Another point to this. If the new company was going to work with creditors of the old club, then unpaid wages would be a creditor and to keep to their word they would have to pay them and that wouldn't mean acceptance from the player of the transfer just that the new company had kept it's promise of working with creditors from the old.
is the new company / set up working with creditors?
They said they were doing blue marlin, even if it was just lip service to try and avoid the points deduction. The Omar Khan Loan Accounts was a creditor too but I imagine they've stopped working with that one.
[quote][p][bold]blue marlin[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reading Bullette[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]rogerthat![/bold] wrote: The Agent will only act on the Players instructions. Obviously Carvell does not like what he has seen at Bulls. Believe other Players looking to get out. Can you blame them when the were asked to take a 20% PAY CUT? Did they explain the TUPE regulations to the Players when they Transferred ownership to new Company? No, they are just treated like Pieces of meat! Also they were all told they could leave a few weeks ago while ROBBIE was phoning other Clubs trying to offload. Really all this is of the Clubs own making, Inexperienced Directors who are only Committee men at best. What have the gang of 4 put into the club Money wise?? All we can look forward to is another show at the Circus, more LIES.[/p][/quote]But the players were informed. They were told the day before the transfer that it was happening and that their contracts would be TUPE'd across. Interesting as well that Carvell and all the other players accepted their wage on the last day of the month, which was paid by the new company. So what Richard Cramer says is correct. Taking your wage from the new company would legally mean you have accepted.[/p][/quote]Another point to this. If the new company was going to work with creditors of the old club, then unpaid wages would be a creditor and to keep to their word they would have to pay them and that wouldn't mean acceptance from the player of the transfer just that the new company had kept it's promise of working with creditors from the old.[/p][/quote]is the new company / set up working with creditors?[/p][/quote]They said they were doing blue marlin, even if it was just lip service to try and avoid the points deduction. The Omar Khan Loan Accounts was a creditor too but I imagine they've stopped working with that one. StevieLad
  • Score: 2

12:17pm Fri 7 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default.

Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it
Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default. Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it StevieLad
  • Score: 5

1:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

-HCK3R- says...

Who does this Richard Cramer bloke think he is releasing statements not agreeing with Bradfords finest legal, financial and all round experts who kindly grace these comments sections with their expert knowledge .......anyone would think he knew what he was talking about !!!
Who does this Richard Cramer bloke think he is releasing statements not agreeing with Bradfords finest legal, financial and all round experts who kindly grace these comments sections with their expert knowledge .......anyone would think he knew what he was talking about !!! -HCK3R-
  • Score: 7

1:40pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

One question with regards to the TUPE stuff.

Do Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd actually have permission to compete in Super League as yet? To my knowledge it was being discussed by the RFL and some medicine might need to be taken to get them to agree it all but as it stands now it's not a 100% done deal. On that basis alone I would think that players would be well within their rights to request a move.

I'm sure it's a matter of time before everything is all agreed, but at this moment in time, discussions as I understand it are still ongoing with the RFL.
One question with regards to the TUPE stuff. Do Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd actually have permission to compete in Super League as yet? To my knowledge it was being discussed by the RFL and some medicine might need to be taken to get them to agree it all but as it stands now it's not a 100% done deal. On that basis alone I would think that players would be well within their rights to request a move. I'm sure it's a matter of time before everything is all agreed, but at this moment in time, discussions as I understand it are still ongoing with the RFL. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: -1

1:48pm Fri 7 Feb 14

portugalbull says...

StevieLad wrote:
Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default.

Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it
If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default. Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it[/p][/quote]If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I portugalbull
  • Score: 2

1:54pm Fri 7 Feb 14

portugalbull says...

portugalbull wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default.

Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it
If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I
I think this was in case OK reneighed on his agreement to transfer shares thus allowing the directors to buy the club from the only other shareholder as events proved.

Sorry last sentence missed from previous post.
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default. Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it[/p][/quote]If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I[/p][/quote]I think this was in case OK reneighed on his agreement to transfer shares thus allowing the directors to buy the club from the only other shareholder as events proved. Sorry last sentence missed from previous post. portugalbull
  • Score: 1

1:55pm Fri 7 Feb 14

portugalbull says...

portugalbull wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default.

Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it
If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I
I think this was in case OK reneighed on his agreement to transfer shares thus allowing the directors to buy the club from the only other shareholder as events proved.

Sorry last sentence missed from previous post.
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default. Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it[/p][/quote]If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I[/p][/quote]I think this was in case OK reneighed on his agreement to transfer shares thus allowing the directors to buy the club from the only other shareholder as events proved. Sorry last sentence missed from previous post. portugalbull
  • Score: 1

2:10pm Fri 7 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
At last somebody has explained the TUPE rule. Wonder why we've had so many other versions put forward by so many different people!. Don't think he would have terminated his contracted so lets get a fee and bring back Ben Evans. For all we know Hull FC might not want him if they have to pay a fee. They weren't after him before his agent contacted them. Doubt if Carvell wanted to leave till his agent got involved. One things for certain the agent will do ok out of it. Can we survive without a 32 year prop of course we can. Keep the faith
As usual BB you are level headed enough to see the actual situation as it is.
We cannot second guess anything until we know the outcomes.
it's like a bump in the night! We heard it and have a rough idea what it is, but we're bu....ed if we know why it happened or who or what caused it.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: At last somebody has explained the TUPE rule. Wonder why we've had so many other versions put forward by so many different people!. Don't think he would have terminated his contracted so lets get a fee and bring back Ben Evans. For all we know Hull FC might not want him if they have to pay a fee. They weren't after him before his agent contacted them. Doubt if Carvell wanted to leave till his agent got involved. One things for certain the agent will do ok out of it. Can we survive without a 32 year prop of course we can. Keep the faith[/p][/quote]As usual BB you are level headed enough to see the actual situation as it is. We cannot second guess anything until we know the outcomes. it's like a bump in the night! We heard it and have a rough idea what it is, but we're bu....ed if we know why it happened or who or what caused it. raisemeup
  • Score: 2

2:13pm Fri 7 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

-HCK3R- wrote:
Who does this Richard Cramer bloke think he is releasing statements not agreeing with Bradfords finest legal, financial and all round experts who kindly grace these comments sections with their expert knowledge .......anyone would think he knew what he was talking about !!!
You're not sniping at me as well are you? I've said nothing wrong... Mines-a-Pint is windmilling with his eyes shut, it wasn't me who wound him up!
[quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: Who does this Richard Cramer bloke think he is releasing statements not agreeing with Bradfords finest legal, financial and all round experts who kindly grace these comments sections with their expert knowledge .......anyone would think he knew what he was talking about !!![/p][/quote]You're not sniping at me as well are you? I've said nothing wrong... Mines-a-Pint is windmilling with his eyes shut, it wasn't me who wound him up! StevieLad
  • Score: -1

2:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

-HCK3R- wrote:
Who does this Richard Cramer bloke think he is releasing statements not agreeing with Bradfords finest legal, financial and all round experts who kindly grace these comments sections with their expert knowledge .......anyone would think he knew what he was talking about !!!
As usual BB you are level headed enough to see the actual situation as it is.
We cannot second guess anything until we know the outcomes.
it's like a bump in the night! We heard it and have a rough idea what it is, but we're bu....ed if we know why it happened or who or what caused it.
[quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: Who does this Richard Cramer bloke think he is releasing statements not agreeing with Bradfords finest legal, financial and all round experts who kindly grace these comments sections with their expert knowledge .......anyone would think he knew what he was talking about !!![/p][/quote]As usual BB you are level headed enough to see the actual situation as it is. We cannot second guess anything until we know the outcomes. it's like a bump in the night! We heard it and have a rough idea what it is, but we're bu....ed if we know why it happened or who or what caused it. raisemeup
  • Score: 0

2:21pm Fri 7 Feb 14

StevieLad says...

portugalbull wrote:
portugalbull wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default.

Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it
If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I
I think this was in case OK reneighed on his agreement to transfer shares thus allowing the directors to buy the club from the only other shareholder as events proved.

Sorry last sentence missed from previous post.
Seems reasonable. If they were canny they'll have VAT registered it early too.

Still hopeful here that Bulls can make it to the start of the season, avoid points deduction and make it to next season in SL. The rose tinted gigs have been stomped into fine dust but there's still hope.
[quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]portugalbull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: Slight tangent here: As I recall, if one company goes out of business owing HMRC money and a new one pops up to take the trade, they often demand security in lieu of VAT payable. They demand cash up front for VAT (sometimes 3 months' estimated liability) and hold onto it in case of another default. Not everyone's aware of this & its always hard to find the cash in this situation when you're brassic. With luck, Bulls may've registered the newco for VAT before the administration and/or HMRC have overlooked it[/p][/quote]If I recall it was announced back in November / December that the new company had been set up. I[/p][/quote]I think this was in case OK reneighed on his agreement to transfer shares thus allowing the directors to buy the club from the only other shareholder as events proved. Sorry last sentence missed from previous post.[/p][/quote]Seems reasonable. If they were canny they'll have VAT registered it early too. Still hopeful here that Bulls can make it to the start of the season, avoid points deduction and make it to next season in SL. The rose tinted gigs have been stomped into fine dust but there's still hope. StevieLad
  • Score: -1

2:30pm Fri 7 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Videoref wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.
And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)
Who has actually villified Garrath?

As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different.
All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC.

Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back,
That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise!
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.[/p][/quote]And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)[/p][/quote]Who has actually villified Garrath? As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different. All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC. Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back, That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise! raisemeup
  • Score: 2

2:32pm Fri 7 Feb 14

bully4us says...

Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over?
A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term. bully4us
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bring Cordle back......... says...

I'm surprised with the number of Bradfordian's on this site with such business and legal acumen that our beloved team are in such trouble!! Why oh why have you not invested your mass knowledge and obvious associated wealth into the Bulls over the last few years? Everybody is entitled to an opinion in my view but surely it should be based on the facts and an ability to understand the situation without bias!!! It's no wonder that the whole city is in a state with these attitudes.......
I'm surprised with the number of Bradfordian's on this site with such business and legal acumen that our beloved team are in such trouble!! Why oh why have you not invested your mass knowledge and obvious associated wealth into the Bulls over the last few years? Everybody is entitled to an opinion in my view but surely it should be based on the facts and an ability to understand the situation without bias!!! It's no wonder that the whole city is in a state with these attitudes....... Bring Cordle back.........
  • Score: 10

3:19pm Fri 7 Feb 14

huggy b says...

Who wants a player that can't even catch the ball?! Look at the photo! Butterfingers!
Who wants a player that can't even catch the ball?! Look at the photo! Butterfingers! huggy b
  • Score: -3

3:19pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

raisemeup wrote:
Videoref wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.
And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)
Who has actually villified Garrath? As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different. All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC. Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back, That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise!
Rightful Sky compensation.

You had £1.5m of debt written off. Your punishment was to forgo £1.2m. This is also what the owners offered to do in order to stay in super league, you can't offer it to buy yourself a place and a licence then when your granted the place and licence moan it as being unfair.

Raisemeup with the victim complex again.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.[/p][/quote]And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)[/p][/quote]Who has actually villified Garrath? As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different. All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC. Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back, That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise![/p][/quote]Rightful Sky compensation. You had £1.5m of debt written off. Your punishment was to forgo £1.2m. This is also what the owners offered to do in order to stay in super league, you can't offer it to buy yourself a place and a licence then when your granted the place and licence moan it as being unfair. Raisemeup with the victim complex again. Bacon Bantam
  • Score: 1

3:26pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Bacon Bantam says...

Any news on the meeting with the RFL that I understood to be today?
Any news on the meeting with the RFL that I understood to be today? Bacon Bantam
  • Score: -1

5:15pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Videoref says...

raisemeup wrote:
Videoref wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.
And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)
Who has actually villified Garrath?

As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different.
All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC.

Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back,
That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise!
I am referring to Jamie Peacock being vilified at the time-do keep up.
As for the Sky compensation-there isn't any due!!! Omar and Gerry in their wisdom agreed to a 50% cut when they bought the club-then they complained when they didn't get 100% of the money. Then like his party they borrowed money until it went t**s up and insolvent-result-Adm
inistration and liquidation. A great start to another season (with probable points deduction as per the RFL rules)
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.[/p][/quote]And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)[/p][/quote]Who has actually villified Garrath? As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different. All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC. Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back, That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise![/p][/quote]I am referring to Jamie Peacock being vilified at the time-do keep up. As for the Sky compensation-there isn't any due!!! Omar and Gerry in their wisdom agreed to a 50% cut when they bought the club-then they complained when they didn't get 100% of the money. Then like his party they borrowed money until it went t**s up and insolvent-result-Adm inistration and liquidation. A great start to another season (with probable points deduction as per the RFL rules) Videoref
  • Score: 0

5:32pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
Any news on the meeting with the RFL that I understood to be today?
Thought YOU might have known where to look for info like that,you being a Know it all,or maybe better still ask your mate the all seeing eye,TVOR,or are you one and the same?????
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Any news on the meeting with the RFL that I understood to be today?[/p][/quote]Thought YOU might have known where to look for info like that,you being a Know it all,or maybe better still ask your mate the all seeing eye,TVOR,or are you one and the same????? AUGUST1964
  • Score: 4

5:32pm Fri 7 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Bacon Bantam wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Videoref wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.
And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)
Who has actually villified Garrath? As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different. All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC. Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back, That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise!
Rightful Sky compensation.

You had £1.5m of debt written off. Your punishment was to forgo £1.2m. This is also what the owners offered to do in order to stay in super league, you can't offer it to buy yourself a place and a licence then when your granted the place and licence moan it as being unfair.

Raisemeup with the victim complex again.
Oh, and why do you think the only ones who should be really punished by this situation, should be the supporters, Where in your opinion does the denial of the SKY compensation actually state> we took this money to help pay off the creditors, or it is for the the good of the game as a whole? No it was/is spread amongst the other 13 teams in Super League, to the tune of £50k per year, per team. Where is the morality in that? Can you explain why this is fair?
Personally i feel if it had have been used to pay off the creditors or start a special fund for the game. Then there would have been some justification in this situation.
Kindly do not assume anything about what I am or aren't, I refute your comments totally, I do not play the victim by saying that this situation we find ourselves, is not in the least fair.
Kindly keep you silly insults to yourself>
[quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: Why all the fuss? He does not want to stay at Bulls,get rid.Is he a world beater? No way,an average prop,could not lace Peacocks boots,both as a player and a person.[/p][/quote]And he saw the light and got out (and was vilified at the time as Judas if I remember correctly)[/p][/quote]Who has actually villified Garrath? As I see it Richard Cramer has it rignt , and as he is a true RL fan as well, he will not tell us any different. All the Bulls are doing , quite rightly, is attempting to solve the situation with a compensation package from Hull for all the extra time they will have spent on the training aspect and Player administration documentation etc. they will have invested in GC. Methinks we could do with Richard Cramer on our side as our legal spokesman, and also he may help us to get our rightfull SKY compensation back, That would be a bigger help to us than if a Player decides to move or otherwise![/p][/quote]Rightful Sky compensation. You had £1.5m of debt written off. Your punishment was to forgo £1.2m. This is also what the owners offered to do in order to stay in super league, you can't offer it to buy yourself a place and a licence then when your granted the place and licence moan it as being unfair. Raisemeup with the victim complex again.[/p][/quote]Oh, and why do you think the only ones who should be really punished by this situation, should be the supporters, Where in your opinion does the denial of the SKY compensation actually state> we took this money to help pay off the creditors, or it is for the the good of the game as a whole? No it was/is spread amongst the other 13 teams in Super League, to the tune of £50k per year, per team. Where is the morality in that? Can you explain why this is fair? Personally i feel if it had have been used to pay off the creditors or start a special fund for the game. Then there would have been some justification in this situation. Kindly do not assume anything about what I am or aren't, I refute your comments totally, I do not play the victim by saying that this situation we find ourselves, is not in the least fair. Kindly keep you silly insults to yourself> raisemeup
  • Score: 0

6:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

bully4us wrote:
Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over?
A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start,

It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location.

At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
[quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised. Pablo
  • Score: 2

7:05pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!! AUGUST1964
  • Score: 2

7:33pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers.

You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know.

A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee!
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee! Pablo
  • Score: 2

7:35pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Videoref says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Wake up and smell the coffee
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Wake up and smell the coffee Videoref
  • Score: -2

7:50pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Pablo wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee!
You think so!!!!!
Disillusioned not a true fan then,blah blah what position did Brian Lord play?
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee![/p][/quote]You think so!!!!! Disillusioned not a true fan then,blah blah what position did Brian Lord play? AUGUST1964
  • Score: 3

7:58pm Fri 7 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.
Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal. The Man From the Pru
  • Score: 3

8:06pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Bacon Bantam wrote:
Any news on the meeting with the RFL that I understood to be today?
Thought YOU might have known where to look for info like that,you being a Know it all,or maybe better still ask your mate the all seeing eye,TVOR,or are you one and the same?????
Yes I'm Bacon Bantam. I must be as we both point out the obvious. I'm also tinytoonster as we both think the last regime were a joke. I'm also Stevielad as I said the annual return was overdue. I'm Andy2010 because I show Viking up for the rubbish he spouts.

sure we've been through all this before, everyone who doesn't sign from mumby's, sheffieldBull's, raisemeup's, steampig's, viking62's hymnsheet is bound to be the same person with multiple logons.

There is only 1 Thee Voice of Reason, now shush, I'm watching Wigan v Huddersfield.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bacon Bantam[/bold] wrote: Any news on the meeting with the RFL that I understood to be today?[/p][/quote]Thought YOU might have known where to look for info like that,you being a Know it all,or maybe better still ask your mate the all seeing eye,TVOR,or are you one and the same?????[/p][/quote]Yes I'm Bacon Bantam. I must be as we both point out the obvious. I'm also tinytoonster as we both think the last regime were a joke. I'm also Stevielad as I said the annual return was overdue. I'm Andy2010 because I show Viking up for the rubbish he spouts. sure we've been through all this before, everyone who doesn't sign from mumby's, sheffieldBull's, raisemeup's, steampig's, viking62's hymnsheet is bound to be the same person with multiple logons. There is only 1 Thee Voice of Reason, now shush, I'm watching Wigan v Huddersfield. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -3

8:12pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.
Can you name the scrum half who came over with Budge?
Lets have an oldies quiz after the game.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.[/p][/quote]Can you name the scrum half who came over with Budge? Lets have an oldies quiz after the game. AUGUST1964
  • Score: 1

8:20pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.
Hi Man from the Pru, didn't Harry run the Coll down Huddersfield Road? His daughter was called Carol and his son played briefly for Northern on the wing. I've been trying to recall Harry's wife's name. She was a lovely lady.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.[/p][/quote]Hi Man from the Pru, didn't Harry run the Coll down Huddersfield Road? His daughter was called Carol and his son played briefly for Northern on the wing. I've been trying to recall Harry's wife's name. She was a lovely lady. Pablo
  • Score: 2

8:22pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.
Hi Man from the Pru, didn't Harry run the Coll down Huddersfield Road? His daughter was called Carol and his son played briefly for Northern on the wing. I've been trying to recall Harry's wife's name. She was a lovely lady.
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: Pablo, been following a bit longer, since the days of Bill Seddon, the Winards, et al. Garth Budge, married Harry's daughter. Yes, he kept the Kings Head but which other pub near to stadium did he run. I lent Harry all my Bradford ARLFC badges to go in a frame he kept on the wall of pub. I spent great nights in there with Harry and his family. Still see the family when I'm at Odsal.[/p][/quote]Hi Man from the Pru, didn't Harry run the Coll down Huddersfield Road? His daughter was called Carol and his son played briefly for Northern on the wing. I've been trying to recall Harry's wife's name. She was a lovely lady. Pablo
  • Score: 1

8:36pm Fri 7 Feb 14

northern pig says...

Everybody is getting nostalgic tonight. So i will throw in my penneth.My first boyhood hero at Northern,was an hooker called Milan Kosanovic. He won a challenge cup winners medal,later in his carreer with Fev. A terrific player wen Northern w a poor team.
Everybody is getting nostalgic tonight. So i will throw in my penneth.My first boyhood hero at Northern,was an hooker called Milan Kosanovic. He won a challenge cup winners medal,later in his carreer with Fev. A terrific player wen Northern w a poor team. northern pig
  • Score: 1

8:58pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Peter Fox a coach who could make average players believe they were very good,what a great man manager and motivator.
PABLO my apologies thought you were just another moaning Minnie,sorry again for my comments.
Peter Fox a coach who could make average players believe they were very good,what a great man manager and motivator. PABLO my apologies thought you were just another moaning Minnie,sorry again for my comments. AUGUST1964
  • Score: -1

9:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

northern pig wrote:
Everybody is getting nostalgic tonight. So i will throw in my penneth.My first boyhood hero at Northern,was an hooker called Milan Kosanovic. He won a challenge cup winners medal,later in his carreer with Fev. A terrific player wen Northern w a poor team.
I remember Milan. He's about the only name I recall from pre 1964. I can recall watching him just before they folded and believe the gate was less than 500, a very surreal atmosphere. As you say, he was the star of what was a very poor team.
[quote][p][bold]northern pig[/bold] wrote: Everybody is getting nostalgic tonight. So i will throw in my penneth.My first boyhood hero at Northern,was an hooker called Milan Kosanovic. He won a challenge cup winners medal,later in his carreer with Fev. A terrific player wen Northern w a poor team.[/p][/quote]I remember Milan. He's about the only name I recall from pre 1964. I can recall watching him just before they folded and believe the gate was less than 500, a very surreal atmosphere. As you say, he was the star of what was a very poor team. Pablo
  • Score: 0

9:03pm Fri 7 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Pablo wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers.

You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know.

A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee!
Idiot !
It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time!
For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them.

If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee![/p][/quote]Idiot ! It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time! For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them. If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself? raisemeup
  • Score: -2

9:08pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Peter Fox a coach who could make average players believe they were very good,what a great man manager and motivator.
PABLO my apologies thought you were just another moaning Minnie,sorry again for my comments.
No probs!

I could stay on here all night talking about the old times. I used to drink with Albert Fearnley in the Nags Head up at Clayton Heights,

That's why I'm so sad and annoyed with recent events.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Peter Fox a coach who could make average players believe they were very good,what a great man manager and motivator. PABLO my apologies thought you were just another moaning Minnie,sorry again for my comments.[/p][/quote]No probs! I could stay on here all night talking about the old times. I used to drink with Albert Fearnley in the Nags Head up at Clayton Heights, That's why I'm so sad and annoyed with recent events. Pablo
  • Score: 0

9:14pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Mr Tii says...

I don't understand ? If someone offered me more money to do some job I am doing why would I not do it ? Money talks ain't that why we go to work ?
I don't understand ? If someone offered me more money to do some job I am doing why would I not do it ? Money talks ain't that why we go to work ? Mr Tii
  • Score: -3

9:15pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Pablo says...

raisemeup wrote:
Pablo wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers.

You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know.

A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee!
Idiot !
It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time!
For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them.

If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?
I don't quite understand your point. Thank you for reminding me about Harry's wife's name.

Were you the bloke who always stood at the bar in the Kings Head on your own, drinking orange juice?
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee![/p][/quote]Idiot ! It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time! For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them. If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?[/p][/quote]I don't quite understand your point. Thank you for reminding me about Harry's wife's name. Were you the bloke who always stood at the bar in the Kings Head on your own, drinking orange juice? Pablo
  • Score: 0

9:16pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Pablo wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote: Peter Fox a coach who could make average players believe they were very good,what a great man manager and motivator. PABLO my apologies thought you were just another moaning Minnie,sorry again for my comments.
No probs! I could stay on here all night talking about the old times. I used to drink with Albert Fearnley in the Nags Head up at Clayton Heights, That's why I'm so sad and annoyed with recent events.
I feel exactly the the same but try not to get despondent,the fat lady and all that.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Peter Fox a coach who could make average players believe they were very good,what a great man manager and motivator. PABLO my apologies thought you were just another moaning Minnie,sorry again for my comments.[/p][/quote]No probs! I could stay on here all night talking about the old times. I used to drink with Albert Fearnley in the Nags Head up at Clayton Heights, That's why I'm so sad and annoyed with recent events.[/p][/quote]I feel exactly the the same but try not to get despondent,the fat lady and all that. AUGUST1964
  • Score: 0

9:56pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Errol Stock came over with Garth Budge
Errol Stock came over with Garth Budge AUGUST1964
  • Score: 0

9:57pm Fri 7 Feb 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

August 64
Col Reynolds
August 64 Col Reynolds spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

Bakary Diabira is alive and kicking,saw him in Wyke a few months back,hobbling a bit but over the moon that I'd recognised him.
Bakary Diabira is alive and kicking,saw him in Wyke a few months back,hobbling a bit but over the moon that I'd recognised him. AUGUST1964
  • Score: 1

10:02pm Fri 7 Feb 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

Sorry August, You are right Errol Stock
Sorry August, You are right Errol Stock spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: -1

10:11pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
August 64 Col Reynolds
We could carry on doing this all night to and fro
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: August 64 Col Reynolds[/p][/quote]We could carry on doing this all night to and fro AUGUST1964
  • Score: -1

10:52pm Fri 7 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote: August 64 Col Reynolds
We could carry on doing this all night to and fro
Actually,Span the game was truer in its semi pro days,been spoilt by Sky money.
Talk again sometime?
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: August 64 Col Reynolds[/p][/quote]We could carry on doing this all night to and fro[/p][/quote]Actually,Span the game was truer in its semi pro days,been spoilt by Sky money. Talk again sometime? AUGUST1964
  • Score: -1

11:45pm Fri 7 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Pablo wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Pablo wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers.

You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know.

A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee!
Idiot !
It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time!
For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them.

If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?
I don't quite understand your point. Thank you for reminding me about Harry's wife's name.

Were you the bloke who always stood at the bar in the Kings Head on your own, drinking orange juice?
Pablo:The point is, that just because we can remember what it was like, and how history and nostalgia is important to us mature people, we have a duty of care for all those fans who are new to the game, as well as those that we hope will be future supporters. If we give in on our club, how can we expect the others who do rely on our knowledge to be positive not negative. and in many cases would relish the opportunity to be part of a club with such a history and that was probably the first to be formed 150 years ago.
For example I met Harold Young, but not when he was playing of course, he was 93 at the time.
So after saying that what difference does it make.
We should be helping to carve the future from today not from yesterday.
So I urge all fans old and new, don't give up on us, and by us I mean us supporters. If the older loyal supporters give in, how can we expect the youngsters to care!
Apologies for calling you an idiot, that was uncalled for!

PS Connie by the way is 88 and still attends the games.(at least she did last year)
If Harry had have had His way, we would have had a purpose built stadium at Horton park avenue, the cricket academy as is.

Once again apoplogies. We all have to stick together to do everything we can to ensure the Bulls keep on in the City.
By the way good idea about an oldies Quiz, why not come to the BullBuilder meeting on the 12th Feb. 7.30pm in the Coral stand, they are now calling for ordinary supporters to bring these sort of ideas to the meeting.

PS
I'll be the one with the Kenco coffee jar!
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee![/p][/quote]Idiot ! It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time! For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them. If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?[/p][/quote]I don't quite understand your point. Thank you for reminding me about Harry's wife's name. Were you the bloke who always stood at the bar in the Kings Head on your own, drinking orange juice?[/p][/quote]Pablo:The point is, that just because we can remember what it was like, and how history and nostalgia is important to us mature people, we have a duty of care for all those fans who are new to the game, as well as those that we hope will be future supporters. If we give in on our club, how can we expect the others who do rely on our knowledge to be positive not negative. and in many cases would relish the opportunity to be part of a club with such a history and that was probably the first to be formed 150 years ago. For example I met Harold Young, but not when he was playing of course, he was 93 at the time. So after saying that what difference does it make. We should be helping to carve the future from today not from yesterday. So I urge all fans old and new, don't give up on us, and by us I mean us supporters. If the older loyal supporters give in, how can we expect the youngsters to care! Apologies for calling you an idiot, that was uncalled for! PS Connie by the way is 88 and still attends the games.(at least she did last year) If Harry had have had His way, we would have had a purpose built stadium at Horton park avenue, the cricket academy as is. Once again apoplogies. We all have to stick together to do everything we can to ensure the Bulls keep on in the City. By the way good idea about an oldies Quiz, why not come to the BullBuilder meeting on the 12th Feb. 7.30pm in the Coral stand, they are now calling for ordinary supporters to bring these sort of ideas to the meeting. PS I'll be the one with the Kenco coffee jar! raisemeup
  • Score: 1

8:20am Sat 8 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

Mr Tii wrote:
I don't understand ? If someone offered me more money to do some job I am doing why would I not do it ? Money talks ain't that why we go to work ?
If somebody offered slightly more money but only a ONE year contact and you had to travel a round trip of 100 miles extra to get to work 4 or 5 times a week. (Possibly about £150 in fuel per week not to mention 3 hours per day extra travelling and extra time away from the family Would you take it when you have an existing deal which is for TWO years with an option to extend or move into coaching afterwards with that employer. Also would you swap being one of the more senior employers at a club to going to a new employer who only want you short term because some of their existing employees are off sick.

Also you have trained hard with a your new workmates on an existing project and now wont see how it would have worked. All that work and emotion wasted.

Its a difficult decision to make. But think I'd stick with my original decision which I had time to think about, discus with my family and decide was right 6 months ago rather than make a hurried decision and join an organisation that has only just decided they want me because they are desperate. Where were they when I was open to offers?

Would you still leave when you will be treated like a hero if you stay and could proudly look yourself in the mirror rather than thinking I walked away and let people down when they needed me. There's more to life than an extra few quid in the short term
[quote][p][bold]Mr Tii[/bold] wrote: I don't understand ? If someone offered me more money to do some job I am doing why would I not do it ? Money talks ain't that why we go to work ?[/p][/quote]If somebody offered slightly more money but only a ONE year contact and you had to travel a round trip of 100 miles extra to get to work 4 or 5 times a week. (Possibly about £150 in fuel per week not to mention 3 hours per day extra travelling and extra time away from the family Would you take it when you have an existing deal which is for TWO years with an option to extend or move into coaching afterwards with that employer. Also would you swap being one of the more senior employers at a club to going to a new employer who only want you short term because some of their existing employees are off sick. Also you have trained hard with a your new workmates on an existing project and now wont see how it would have worked. All that work and emotion wasted. Its a difficult decision to make. But think I'd stick with my original decision which I had time to think about, discus with my family and decide was right 6 months ago rather than make a hurried decision and join an organisation that has only just decided they want me because they are desperate. Where were they when I was open to offers? Would you still leave when you will be treated like a hero if you stay and could proudly look yourself in the mirror rather than thinking I walked away and let people down when they needed me. There's more to life than an extra few quid in the short term bradfordbronco
  • Score: 2

8:26am Sat 8 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
spanglishbull.uk wrote:
August 64 Col Reynolds
We could carry on doing this all night to and fro
Please don't!!! Anyone remember F.W. Cooper. I used to go drinking with his Grandad!!
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: August 64 Col Reynolds[/p][/quote]We could carry on doing this all night to and fro[/p][/quote]Please don't!!! Anyone remember F.W. Cooper. I used to go drinking with his Grandad!! bradfordbronco
  • Score: 0

9:32am Sat 8 Feb 14

spanglishbull.uk says...

My boyhood hero was Jack McClean.I had the pleasure of going to Australia on the tour of 1988 and 1992 along with Trevor Foster another of my idols.Trevor told me that Jack was coming over from N.z. for the Sydney test and that he would introduce me to him.He did,I had a super couple of hours in the company of these two gentlemen.I still have the photos and stayed good friends with Trevor.
My boyhood hero was Jack McClean.I had the pleasure of going to Australia on the tour of 1988 and 1992 along with Trevor Foster another of my idols.Trevor told me that Jack was coming over from N.z. for the Sydney test and that he would introduce me to him.He did,I had a super couple of hours in the company of these two gentlemen.I still have the photos and stayed good friends with Trevor. spanglishbull.uk
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Sat 8 Feb 14

AUGUST1964 says...

spanglishbull.uk wrote:
My boyhood hero was Jack McClean.I had the pleasure of going to Australia on the tour of 1988 and 1992 along with Trevor Foster another of my idols.Trevor told me that Jack was coming over from N.z. for the Sydney test and that he would introduce me to him.He did,I had a super couple of hours in the company of these two gentlemen.I still have the photos and stayed good friends with Trevor.
Memories shared Span never die.
[quote][p][bold]spanglishbull.uk[/bold] wrote: My boyhood hero was Jack McClean.I had the pleasure of going to Australia on the tour of 1988 and 1992 along with Trevor Foster another of my idols.Trevor told me that Jack was coming over from N.z. for the Sydney test and that he would introduce me to him.He did,I had a super couple of hours in the company of these two gentlemen.I still have the photos and stayed good friends with Trevor.[/p][/quote]Memories shared Span never die. AUGUST1964
  • Score: 0

6:59pm Sat 8 Feb 14

Pablo says...

raisemeup wrote:
Pablo wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
Pablo wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
bully4us wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.
Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.
Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!!
Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers.

You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know.

A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee!
Idiot !
It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time!
For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them.

If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?
I don't quite understand your point. Thank you for reminding me about Harry's wife's name.

Were you the bloke who always stood at the bar in the Kings Head on your own, drinking orange juice?
Pablo:The point is, that just because we can remember what it was like, and how history and nostalgia is important to us mature people, we have a duty of care for all those fans who are new to the game, as well as those that we hope will be future supporters. If we give in on our club, how can we expect the others who do rely on our knowledge to be positive not negative. and in many cases would relish the opportunity to be part of a club with such a history and that was probably the first to be formed 150 years ago.
For example I met Harold Young, but not when he was playing of course, he was 93 at the time.
So after saying that what difference does it make.
We should be helping to carve the future from today not from yesterday.
So I urge all fans old and new, don't give up on us, and by us I mean us supporters. If the older loyal supporters give in, how can we expect the youngsters to care!
Apologies for calling you an idiot, that was uncalled for!

PS Connie by the way is 88 and still attends the games.(at least she did last year)
If Harry had have had His way, we would have had a purpose built stadium at Horton park avenue, the cricket academy as is.

Once again apoplogies. We all have to stick together to do everything we can to ensure the Bulls keep on in the City.
By the way good idea about an oldies Quiz, why not come to the BullBuilder meeting on the 12th Feb. 7.30pm in the Coral stand, they are now calling for ordinary supporters to bring these sort of ideas to the meeting.

PS
I'll be the one with the Kenco coffee jar!
Apology accepted!! As you may have guessed, I'm thick skinned and accept that, if you want to give it out, you have to accept it back!

I do like to think I'm even handed. Even though I'm a committed Tory I don't agree with everything they do and have even written to David Cameron when I think he's wrong. The same applies to the Bulls. Management of the club over the past few years has been inept. I'll unreservedly criticise Boards if I think it's justified because Directors come and go, but us supporters are generally forever and have to live with the consequences.

Keep the Kenco hot for me
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bully4us[/bold] wrote: Do other supporters now get this awful feeling that one day soon we may all wake up to the headline that the Bulls are out of business because everyone has walked away and there is nobody else willing to take over? A few days ago I felt we were seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. Now, I am not so sure especially if fans start to turn their backs on all of this and we get hardly any walk up fans at games. I don't say this just because we will lose Carvell. Last week our new owners said every one is staying and things will be more in the open. Now, they seem just as powerless as all of the others regarding the smooth running of the club. The next few months (possibly weeks) are unbelievably vital if we are to survive long term.[/p][/quote]Yes, I've had the feeling for months, and have previously stated that I wouldn't have been surprised if they'd failed to make it to the season's start, It appears there is more behind last Sunday's appalling performance than we realised at the time. Morale is rock bottom both on the pitch and off it. Without an infusion of cash, it is clear that outgoings will continue to exceed income. Sadly, I can see only one outcome. The best we can hope for is a fresh start, at a much lower level, at a new location. At least, when the sad day arrives, under the "Breaking news" caption, I don't think even the most optimistic among us will be in the least bit surprised.[/p][/quote]Can you give me the 6 numbers for Saturday please,surely if you can see everything else you can give us the 6,then we can all donate something to the Bulls,I'm sure that all the smalll minded city fans who look on in here and for some strange reason hope and pray for the demise of Bradford Bulls would also contribute!![/p][/quote]Sadly, the future of our beloved Bulls is easier to predict than the winning lottery numbers. You couldn't be more wrong. As I've stated before, I've been watching since the days of George Ambrum, Terry Price, Lionel Williamson et al. I remember the great nights in Harry Womersley's Kings Head on Halifax Road. Do you know who the late Harry Womersley was? Can you tell me who his daughter married? I've forgotten more about Northern/Bulls history than you'll ever know. A long time proud fan, now disillusioned with the continuing shambles, which is more than likely to have one conclusion. Smell the coffee![/p][/quote]Idiot ! It is always dependant on age, and being there at that time! For example I knew HW and his good lady wife, Connie his son on law is Garth Budge (Australian stand off at that time) George Ambrum was an Australian Winger who like Leslie V could run through the opposition as well as round them. If all it takes for your brand of loyalty, I'll get you a jar of Kenco that you can smell yourself?[/p][/quote]I don't quite understand your point. Thank you for reminding me about Harry's wife's name. Were you the bloke who always stood at the bar in the Kings Head on your own, drinking orange juice?[/p][/quote]Pablo:The point is, that just because we can remember what it was like, and how history and nostalgia is important to us mature people, we have a duty of care for all those fans who are new to the game, as well as those that we hope will be future supporters. If we give in on our club, how can we expect the others who do rely on our knowledge to be positive not negative. and in many cases would relish the opportunity to be part of a club with such a history and that was probably the first to be formed 150 years ago. For example I met Harold Young, but not when he was playing of course, he was 93 at the time. So after saying that what difference does it make. We should be helping to carve the future from today not from yesterday. So I urge all fans old and new, don't give up on us, and by us I mean us supporters. If the older loyal supporters give in, how can we expect the youngsters to care! Apologies for calling you an idiot, that was uncalled for! PS Connie by the way is 88 and still attends the games.(at least she did last year) If Harry had have had His way, we would have had a purpose built stadium at Horton park avenue, the cricket academy as is. Once again apoplogies. We all have to stick together to do everything we can to ensure the Bulls keep on in the City. By the way good idea about an oldies Quiz, why not come to the BullBuilder meeting on the 12th Feb. 7.30pm in the Coral stand, they are now calling for ordinary supporters to bring these sort of ideas to the meeting. PS I'll be the one with the Kenco coffee jar![/p][/quote]Apology accepted!! As you may have guessed, I'm thick skinned and accept that, if you want to give it out, you have to accept it back! I do like to think I'm even handed. Even though I'm a committed Tory I don't agree with everything they do and have even written to David Cameron when I think he's wrong. The same applies to the Bulls. Management of the club over the past few years has been inept. I'll unreservedly criticise Boards if I think it's justified because Directors come and go, but us supporters are generally forever and have to live with the consequences. Keep the Kenco hot for me Pablo
  • Score: 0

2:15am Tue 11 Feb 14

Arhmen Noleg says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Bakary Diabira is alive and kicking,saw him in Wyke a few months back,hobbling a bit but over the moon that I'd recognised him.
He was"nt happy when I recognized him back in 1968 as I played ball in the street and he joined in.Dont know what he was upto but the blonde polish neighbour certainly did something for the balls in our 14 year old pants when she walked to the shops.Bak came for a few weeks and always had a smile for us kids.And number 216 had an even bigger one when she finally made an appearance They trained well in them days.Bak became my favourite and hero too.
While we all have memories remember the show will go on.In some form.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Bakary Diabira is alive and kicking,saw him in Wyke a few months back,hobbling a bit but over the moon that I'd recognised him.[/p][/quote]He was"nt happy when I recognized him back in 1968 as I played ball in the street and he joined in.Dont know what he was upto but the blonde polish neighbour certainly did something for the balls in our 14 year old pants when she walked to the shops.Bak came for a few weeks and always had a smile for us kids.And number 216 had an even bigger one when she finally made an appearance They trained well in them days.Bak became my favourite and hero too. While we all have memories remember the show will go on.In some form. Arhmen Noleg
  • Score: 2

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