Bradford Bulls will battle to avoid points loss

Robbie Hunter-Paul, second right, with fellow board members Andrew Calvert, Mark Moore and Ian Watt

Robbie Hunter-Paul, second right, with fellow board members Andrew Calvert, Mark Moore and Ian Watt

First published in Sport Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , Bradford Bulls Reporter

Bulls chief executive Robbie Hunter-Paul last night vowed the club would work with creditors in order to avoid a possible Super League points deduction.

The Bulls announced yesterday that they had completed a change of ownership from OK Bulls Ltd, the company established by former owner Omar Khan and placed into administration, to Bradford Bulls 2014.

The club were docked six points following their previous spell in administration during the tumultuous 2012 campaign, which denied them a place in the play-offs.

Previously Wakefield and Crusaders were docked four points when they entered administration after the Rugby Football League directors took into account the new owners’ willingness to pay off some of the debts to creditors.

The Bulls’ directors say they will work with creditors, which would work in their favour when they meet RFL bosses next week – where the club’s change of ownership should be ratified by Red Hall chiefs.

Hunter-Paul said: “We are confident we will take a good case to the governing body, which will allow us to compete on a level playing field come the start of the season.

“Obviously we are aware that the RFL must pay due diligence when situations like ours arise. I would like to thank them and all other important stakeholders for their continued support.”

RFL director of licensing and standards Blake Solly said the board of directors would base their decision on the club’s willingness to pay off creditors.

“The primary concern for the board is that clubs do not receive an unfair advantage by leaving creditors unpaid through the administration process,” confirmed Solly.

BullBuilder, the supporters trust who set up a hardship fund for club staff affected during the Bulls’ previous administration, said their relaunch this week would not be affected by yesterday’s news.

Spokesman Mike Farren said: “While we are only aware of the facts that are in the public domain, we note the club’s statement that Bradford Bulls will continue to operate as normal.

“BullBuilder was formed to support Bradford Bulls and in particular their young players. We have done so through several changes of ownership and will continue to do so.

“More than ever, there is a need for a way for the supporters to have a collective voice and collective influence. BullBuilder, as an organisation with a strong track record in both good and bad times, can provide just that.”

Francis Cummins’ players are in action at the Provident Stadium tomorrow when they host Castleford in their third and final pre-season friendly.

They face the same opponents on home soil in their Super League opener a fortnight later.

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8:58am Sat 1 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

So we've gone from a statement saying that no points deduction would be given to that being removed from the Bulls website to the RFL putting on their website that the pretty much don't know what is happening.
http://www.therfl.co
.uk/news/article/294
10/rfl-statement-bra
dford-bulls
So we've gone from a statement saying that no points deduction would be given to that being removed from the Bulls website to the RFL putting on their website that the pretty much don't know what is happening. http://www.therfl.co .uk/news/article/294 10/rfl-statement-bra dford-bulls Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -4

9:01am Sat 1 Feb 14

bullsone03 says...

No points would be nice but can not see that happening just hope not too many
No points would be nice but can not see that happening just hope not too many bullsone03
  • Score: 2

9:06am Sat 1 Feb 14

bullsone03 says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
So we've gone from a statement saying that no points deduction would be given to that being removed from the Bulls website to the RFL putting on their website that the pretty much don't know what is happening.
http://www.therfl.co

.uk/news/article/294

10/rfl-statement-bra

dford-bulls
There did not say that what there said was that there are going to make a bid to the rfl to hopefully avoid points deduction
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: So we've gone from a statement saying that no points deduction would be given to that being removed from the Bulls website to the RFL putting on their website that the pretty much don't know what is happening. http://www.therfl.co .uk/news/article/294 10/rfl-statement-bra dford-bulls[/p][/quote]There did not say that what there said was that there are going to make a bid to the rfl to hopefully avoid points deduction bullsone03
  • Score: 0

9:23am Sat 1 Feb 14

billybobbull says...

And. ? What s your point?
And. ? What s your point? billybobbull
  • Score: -12

9:35am Sat 1 Feb 14

king karl says...

The statement that disappeared yesterday said that there wouldn't be no points deduction and they would start the year on 0 points same as everyone else
The statement that disappeared yesterday said that there wouldn't be no points deduction and they would start the year on 0 points same as everyone else king karl
  • Score: 11

9:54am Sat 1 Feb 14

fedupwiththeBS says...

it would appear that despite the BS on the Club website yesterday that was taken down that the RFL were not aware that this was going to happen.

they seem to have forgotten that despite being a business you also have to operate within the rules of the Governing body.

I hear that the other clubs are furious especially Wakefield who had to sell players to avoid this situation.

OK is clamming that he was not aware that they were noting this and is going to take legal action; we are in for more of a circus over the next few weeks.
it would appear that despite the BS on the Club website yesterday that was taken down that the RFL were not aware that this was going to happen. they seem to have forgotten that despite being a business you also have to operate within the rules of the Governing body. I hear that the other clubs are furious especially Wakefield who had to sell players to avoid this situation. OK is clamming that he was not aware that they were noting this and is going to take legal action; we are in for more of a circus over the next few weeks. fedupwiththeBS
  • Score: 8

10:02am Sat 1 Feb 14

Mike Strutter says...

So much for statement last week thanking OK and GS for their co operation.

Looks like legal action is starting again.
So much for statement last week thanking OK and GS for their co operation. Looks like legal action is starting again. Mike Strutter
  • Score: 4

10:19am Sat 1 Feb 14

ajohnboy79 says...

Will this saga ever end?

When will this beloved club of ours ever get back on the straight and narrow?
Will this saga ever end? When will this beloved club of ours ever get back on the straight and narrow? ajohnboy79
  • Score: 6

10:59am Sat 1 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging.
I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems.
Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do. raisemeup
  • Score: 9

11:29am Sat 1 Feb 14

Avro says...

ajohnboy79 wrote:
Will this saga ever end?

When will this beloved club of ours ever get back on the straight and narrow?
The whole thing should be shut down as its become a laughing stock and too many people throwing good money over bad and endles promises!
[quote][p][bold]ajohnboy79[/bold] wrote: Will this saga ever end? When will this beloved club of ours ever get back on the straight and narrow?[/p][/quote]The whole thing should be shut down as its become a laughing stock and too many people throwing good money over bad and endles promises! Avro
  • Score: -10

12:14pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

In the story it says:
"Previously Wakefield and Crusaders were docked four points when they entered administration after the Rugby Football League directors took into account the new owners’ willingness to pay off some of the debts to creditors"

It says willingness, we can all be willing but doing is a different thing. It's fine giving chocolate promises but they are no good without any substance. So in this there should be guarantees in place that if they get away point deduction free and the creditors are not paid then there is a back up to pay.

I also doubt the creditors will feel so comfortable when it says "some of the creditors"
In the story it says: "Previously Wakefield and Crusaders were docked four points when they entered administration after the Rugby Football League directors took into account the new owners’ willingness to pay off some of the debts to creditors" It says willingness, we can all be willing but doing is a different thing. It's fine giving chocolate promises but they are no good without any substance. So in this there should be guarantees in place that if they get away point deduction free and the creditors are not paid then there is a back up to pay. I also doubt the creditors will feel so comfortable when it says "some of the creditors" Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -5

1:01pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scrouge says...

raisemeup wrote:
The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging.
I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems.
Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.?
The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot?
Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus. Scrouge
  • Score: -8

1:10pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

Avro wrote:
ajohnboy79 wrote: Will this saga ever end? When will this beloved club of ours ever get back on the straight and narrow?
The whole thing should be shut down as its become a laughing stock and too many people throwing good money over bad and endles promises!
Who exactly is doing the laughing here?? Bulls fans? The players? Fans at clubs on similar position?
The only thing that is laughable is the suggestion that this institution should be cast asunder with no more time and effort to be wasted upon it!
There are literally thousands of people who love this rugby club and the sport of Rugby League. I would go so far as to say that the vast majority want to see the Bulls survive providing they are treated fairly and comparibly to other teams. If that means a points deduction and relegation battle then I say, BRING IT ON! If the club survives and moves into next season as a going concern with its full share of Sky money we'll be do much the stronger for it. If we go down, I have no doubt we will have fought to the last blade of Odsall grass to avoid it.
We can all gloat at the misfortune of others, but the job of the fans now is to get behind the PLAYERS. They are the ones who truly hold the future of the Bulls on their hands.
If previous boards and directors have behaved illegally or unethically they will eventually get what's due to them, but for the here and now we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with one another and get behind the team.
COYB !!
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ajohnboy79[/bold] wrote: Will this saga ever end? When will this beloved club of ours ever get back on the straight and narrow?[/p][/quote]The whole thing should be shut down as its become a laughing stock and too many people throwing good money over bad and endles promises![/p][/quote]Who exactly is doing the laughing here?? Bulls fans? The players? Fans at clubs on similar position? The only thing that is laughable is the suggestion that this institution should be cast asunder with no more time and effort to be wasted upon it! There are literally thousands of people who love this rugby club and the sport of Rugby League. I would go so far as to say that the vast majority want to see the Bulls survive providing they are treated fairly and comparibly to other teams. If that means a points deduction and relegation battle then I say, BRING IT ON! If the club survives and moves into next season as a going concern with its full share of Sky money we'll be do much the stronger for it. If we go down, I have no doubt we will have fought to the last blade of Odsall grass to avoid it. We can all gloat at the misfortune of others, but the job of the fans now is to get behind the PLAYERS. They are the ones who truly hold the future of the Bulls on their hands. If previous boards and directors have behaved illegally or unethically they will eventually get what's due to them, but for the here and now we need to stand shoulder to shoulder with one another and get behind the team. COYB !! Lythambull
  • Score: 20

1:17pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

Scrouge wrote:
raisemeup wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.
Actually I'm pretty sure that fans like raisemeup ARE the victims! If you have an axe to grind with OK why not drop him a line personally? Pretty sure he's not going without a roof over his head. Same for RHP. I think it's a safe bet he's still got an office at Odsall.
As far as bringing the game into disrepute goes, how sterling a reputation do you think RL has?? We're a joke in Australia, rugby union has a far worse product and still keeps it's house in order. The SPORT, not just the Bulls is rotting from the inside and if something far reaching isn't done I shudder to think what will happen. But you're right, this is ALL Bulls fans fault
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.[/p][/quote]Actually I'm pretty sure that fans like raisemeup ARE the victims! If you have an axe to grind with OK why not drop him a line personally? Pretty sure he's not going without a roof over his head. Same for RHP. I think it's a safe bet he's still got an office at Odsall. As far as bringing the game into disrepute goes, how sterling a reputation do you think RL has?? We're a joke in Australia, rugby union has a far worse product and still keeps it's house in order. The SPORT, not just the Bulls is rotting from the inside and if something far reaching isn't done I shudder to think what will happen. But you're right, this is ALL Bulls fans fault Lythambull
  • Score: 7

1:24pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scrouge says...

Lythambull wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
raisemeup wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.
Actually I'm pretty sure that fans like raisemeup ARE the victims! If you have an axe to grind with OK why not drop him a line personally? Pretty sure he's not going without a roof over his head. Same for RHP. I think it's a safe bet he's still got an office at Odsall.
As far as bringing the game into disrepute goes, how sterling a reputation do you think RL has?? We're a joke in Australia, rugby union has a far worse product and still keeps it's house in order. The SPORT, not just the Bulls is rotting from the inside and if something far reaching isn't done I shudder to think what will happen. But you're right, this is ALL Bulls fans fault
Your point????????? Never take the Blinkers off its seems. ALWAYS the VIctims. How many times???????
[quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.[/p][/quote]Actually I'm pretty sure that fans like raisemeup ARE the victims! If you have an axe to grind with OK why not drop him a line personally? Pretty sure he's not going without a roof over his head. Same for RHP. I think it's a safe bet he's still got an office at Odsall. As far as bringing the game into disrepute goes, how sterling a reputation do you think RL has?? We're a joke in Australia, rugby union has a far worse product and still keeps it's house in order. The SPORT, not just the Bulls is rotting from the inside and if something far reaching isn't done I shudder to think what will happen. But you're right, this is ALL Bulls fans fault[/p][/quote]Your point????????? Never take the Blinkers off its seems. ALWAYS the VIctims. How many times??????? Scrouge
  • Score: -10

1:26pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

I can't think what club are being the bigger circus, the Bulls with the off the field fun or Leeds Utd who have asked McDermott to go back. It can be fun in West Yorkshire but who really are taking on Billy Smarts?
I can't think what club are being the bigger circus, the Bulls with the off the field fun or Leeds Utd who have asked McDermott to go back. It can be fun in West Yorkshire but who really are taking on Billy Smarts? Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 3

1:53pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Madam meow says...

Okay wakey pipe down I know that you were helped out last year during the season, and that you were in admin threats how many times?? Most of us on here are rugby league fans so lets stop arguing and fight for whichever team you support as there is not a lot of money in our sport courtesy of non sponsorship
Okay wakey pipe down I know that you were helped out last year during the season, and that you were in admin threats how many times?? Most of us on here are rugby league fans so lets stop arguing and fight for whichever team you support as there is not a lot of money in our sport courtesy of non sponsorship Madam meow
  • Score: 4

1:59pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Mixter says...

If the club has crossed the 'threshold' for points deductions - assuming it is set in stone, then the deductions should be made. Trying to worm out through excuses and false promises sets precedents for other clubs to use the same dodges, bringing the game into disrepute.

And, if other clubs have crossed the line and had points deducted in the past just because they had no 'wiggle room' to skirt round them, it just isnt right.

The bullet must be bitten (no pun intended).
If the club has crossed the 'threshold' for points deductions - assuming it is set in stone, then the deductions should be made. Trying to worm out through excuses and false promises sets precedents for other clubs to use the same dodges, bringing the game into disrepute. And, if other clubs have crossed the line and had points deducted in the past just because they had no 'wiggle room' to skirt round them, it just isnt right. The bullet must be bitten (no pun intended). Mixter
  • Score: -3

2:25pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

Scrouge wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
raisemeup wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.
Actually I'm pretty sure that fans like raisemeup ARE the victims! If you have an axe to grind with OK why not drop him a line personally? Pretty sure he's not going without a roof over his head. Same for RHP. I think it's a safe bet he's still got an office at Odsall.
As far as bringing the game into disrepute goes, how sterling a reputation do you think RL has?? We're a joke in Australia, rugby union has a far worse product and still keeps it's house in order. The SPORT, not just the Bulls is rotting from the inside and if something far reaching isn't done I shudder to think what will happen. But you're right, this is ALL Bulls fans fault
Your point????????? Never take the Blinkers off its seems. ALWAYS the VIctims. How many times???????
I'm not being blinkered, but how exactly are normal fans in any way responsible for what has happened to the Bulls? THEY don't set the budgets, THEY don't take out loans against the club. The fans are the victims when this happens anywhere. If you can't see that I would suggest that I'm not the only one in blinkers.
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.[/p][/quote]Actually I'm pretty sure that fans like raisemeup ARE the victims! If you have an axe to grind with OK why not drop him a line personally? Pretty sure he's not going without a roof over his head. Same for RHP. I think it's a safe bet he's still got an office at Odsall. As far as bringing the game into disrepute goes, how sterling a reputation do you think RL has?? We're a joke in Australia, rugby union has a far worse product and still keeps it's house in order. The SPORT, not just the Bulls is rotting from the inside and if something far reaching isn't done I shudder to think what will happen. But you're right, this is ALL Bulls fans fault[/p][/quote]Your point????????? Never take the Blinkers off its seems. ALWAYS the VIctims. How many times???????[/p][/quote]I'm not being blinkered, but how exactly are normal fans in any way responsible for what has happened to the Bulls? THEY don't set the budgets, THEY don't take out loans against the club. The fans are the victims when this happens anywhere. If you can't see that I would suggest that I'm not the only one in blinkers. Lythambull
  • Score: 7

2:48pm Sat 1 Feb 14

-HCK3R- says...

It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !........... -HCK3R-
  • Score: 4

3:16pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

-HCK3R- wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
[quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -7

3:31pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

This was the original post on the RFL site, which tells me they ARE very aware of what is going on at Odsal, having been involved all through the meetings. To say complicit in what is going on would be to easy.


Bulls change of ownership confirmed

31st of January 2014

BRADFORD BULLS can today announce the completion of a change to its ownership.

OK Bulls Ltd was this morning placed into administration following a discrepancy over the planned transfer of shares to the club’s current directors, an agreement which was reached, in principal, earlier this month.

On Thursday, January 9, a meeting was held between all of the Bulls’ important stakeholders.

The afternoon’s discussions – chaired by the Rugby Football League – resulted in an agreement regarding the transfer of shares from the club’s former owner, Omar Khan, to the Bulls’ current board of directors.

However, despite all parties concurring on the matter during the meeting and undertaking the construction of a contract, an unforeseen development recently came to light. And as a result, continued efforts to resolve the club’s ongoing ownership issue came to a standstill late last week.

David Wilson, of Leeds-based DFW Associates, was appointed administrator of the club’s former holding company after it transpired that the company’s financial position had become untenable.

The Super League club has since been purchased by Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd.

On behalf of DFW Associates, Mr Wilson said: “Upon the sanction of the Rugby Football League, we will have concluded the sale of the club to Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd.

“It had not proved possible to resolve the ownership of the company with the previous owner and, as a result, the company’s financial position had become untenable.”

The new company is to operate under the directorship of Andrew Calvert, Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Robbie Hunter-Paul.

All players, employees and assets have been transferred to the new company, who will continue to function as Bradford Bulls – in Super League.

The club now intends to approach the RFL to discuss its future and seek to avoid a points deduction, as the board of directors have stated their intentions to continue to work with creditors.

Although technical issues are likely to arise due to the changeover, Bradford Bulls will continue to operate as normal.

Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd have also agreed to honour all BELONG 2014 season tickets, insisting they will deliver on all terms of their purchase.

Both the administrator and the directors of Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd are delighted to confirm that they have been able to secure the future of the club.

A spokesperson for the Bradford Bulls added: “Although a resolution wasn’t found after all avenues were exhausted, we feel the new company will give the club’s supporters much-needed clarity in terms of who is running, directing and owning their club.
This was the original post on the RFL site, which tells me they ARE very aware of what is going on at Odsal, having been involved all through the meetings. To say complicit in what is going on would be to easy. Bulls change of ownership confirmed 31st of January 2014 BRADFORD BULLS can today announce the completion of a change to its ownership. OK Bulls Ltd was this morning placed into administration following a discrepancy over the planned transfer of shares to the club’s current directors, an agreement which was reached, in principal, earlier this month. On Thursday, January 9, a meeting was held between all of the Bulls’ important stakeholders. The afternoon’s discussions – chaired by the Rugby Football League – resulted in an agreement regarding the transfer of shares from the club’s former owner, Omar Khan, to the Bulls’ current board of directors. However, despite all parties concurring on the matter during the meeting and undertaking the construction of a contract, an unforeseen development recently came to light. And as a result, continued efforts to resolve the club’s ongoing ownership issue came to a standstill late last week. David Wilson, of Leeds-based DFW Associates, was appointed administrator of the club’s former holding company after it transpired that the company’s financial position had become untenable. The Super League club has since been purchased by Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. On behalf of DFW Associates, Mr Wilson said: “Upon the sanction of the Rugby Football League, we will have concluded the sale of the club to Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd. “It had not proved possible to resolve the ownership of the company with the previous owner and, as a result, the company’s financial position had become untenable.” The new company is to operate under the directorship of Andrew Calvert, Mark Moore, Ian Watt and Robbie Hunter-Paul. All players, employees and assets have been transferred to the new company, who will continue to function as Bradford Bulls – in Super League. The club now intends to approach the RFL to discuss its future and seek to avoid a points deduction, as the board of directors have stated their intentions to continue to work with creditors. Although technical issues are likely to arise due to the changeover, Bradford Bulls will continue to operate as normal. Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd have also agreed to honour all BELONG 2014 season tickets, insisting they will deliver on all terms of their purchase. Both the administrator and the directors of Bradford Bulls 2014 Ltd are delighted to confirm that they have been able to secure the future of the club. A spokesperson for the Bradford Bulls added: “Although a resolution wasn’t found after all avenues were exhausted, we feel the new company will give the club’s supporters much-needed clarity in terms of who is running, directing and owning their club. The Man From the Pru
  • Score: 2

3:35pm Sat 1 Feb 14

-HCK3R- says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Just when we thought the comments section had reached an all time low up pops TVOR who now thinks he is George Osborne !
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Just when we thought the comments section had reached an all time low up pops TVOR who now thinks he is George Osborne ! -HCK3R-
  • Score: 5

3:44pm Sat 1 Feb 14

The Man From the Pru says...

Now this is an interesting read, I suggest you All go n read it, yes, even you TVOR, it will tell you something. But I ask you to figure it out yourselves, I'm not saying what it is.

http://www.bradfordb
ulls.co.uk/news/arti
cle/8859/chairman-sq
uad-is-ring-fenced
Now this is an interesting read, I suggest you All go n read it, yes, even you TVOR, it will tell you something. But I ask you to figure it out yourselves, I'm not saying what it is. http://www.bradfordb ulls.co.uk/news/arti cle/8859/chairman-sq uad-is-ring-fenced The Man From the Pru
  • Score: 1

3:44pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc???

I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board.

The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!"

The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on. Lythambull
  • Score: 7

5:46pm Sat 1 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Scrouge wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging.
I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems.
Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.?
The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot?
Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.
Scrounge, sorry freudian slip?
My answer whatever Lytham said.
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.[/p][/quote]Scrounge, sorry freudian slip? My answer whatever Lytham said. raisemeup
  • Score: 0

6:21pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Scrouge says...

raisemeup wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging.
I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems.
Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.
Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.?
The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot?
Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.
Scrounge, sorry freudian slip?
My answer whatever Lytham said.
Will you suck up to Khan again when he takes control again,ha ha ha.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: The road to stability is never without obstacles, it invariably is a process of elimination of the main problems and then a mopping up of the less damaging. I have seen it before, as all supporters of clubs that have faced the uncertainty of bringing in an insolvency practitioner as the pre cursor to possible administration. Wakefield have gone through this scenario a few times, and Salford have something different because they have a very wealthy backer at the helm? We can only hope that our club is sorting out the main problems. Supporters should back them, like BullBuilder is prepared to do.[/p][/quote]Oh here we go again. Always the Victims . Bringing the Game And Rugby League into Disrepute yet again. Sick of the same old excuses and the fools who hailed Khan as the Saviour. (Stuff him now). Talk about Fickle.? The RFL are doing everything to cover up the mess that is Bulls. They say they will try and settle with the Creditors, who would believe this lot? Will Khan crawl away or has he got the stomach for a fight? How much money have the new Directors put into the Pot? Robbie who was a recruitment of Khans,how much?. I do feel there are more side Shows at the Circus.[/p][/quote]Scrounge, sorry freudian slip? My answer whatever Lytham said.[/p][/quote]Will you suck up to Khan again when he takes control again,ha ha ha. Scrouge
  • Score: -2

6:25pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

The Man From the Pru wrote:
Now this is an interesting read, I suggest you All go n read it, yes, even you TVOR, it will tell you something. But I ask you to figure it out yourselves, I'm not saying what it is.

http://www.bradfordb

ulls.co.uk/news/arti

cle/8859/chairman-sq

uad-is-ring-fenced
So a squad that the club has at time not been able to pay on time is being ringfenced.
How about not spending money you don't have?
[quote][p][bold]The Man From the Pru[/bold] wrote: Now this is an interesting read, I suggest you All go n read it, yes, even you TVOR, it will tell you something. But I ask you to figure it out yourselves, I'm not saying what it is. http://www.bradfordb ulls.co.uk/news/arti cle/8859/chairman-sq uad-is-ring-fenced[/p][/quote]So a squad that the club has at time not been able to pay on time is being ringfenced. How about not spending money you don't have? Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -6

6:39pm Sat 1 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

cant agree transfer of company, lets just take it off him!
what a wonderful world we live in....
cant agree transfer of company, lets just take it off him! what a wonderful world we live in.... tinytoonster
  • Score: -1

6:51pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
[quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money.. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -4

7:04pm Sat 1 Feb 14

tinytoonster says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
well said.
i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish.
to benefit sky tv and sod the fans.
you can keep it.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..[/p][/quote]well said. i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish. to benefit sky tv and sod the fans. you can keep it. tinytoonster
  • Score: -4

7:23pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Thee Voice of Reason says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
well said.
i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish.
to benefit sky tv and sod the fans.
you can keep it.
City might have won once in 18, but they are where they are on merit and deserve their place in mid table. They have battled hard for that position and rebuilt over several years since they hit financial meltdown.
The Bulls just 1 year after going into admin are back there again building up debts spending more than they could afford.
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..[/p][/quote]well said. i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish. to benefit sky tv and sod the fans. you can keep it.[/p][/quote]City might have won once in 18, but they are where they are on merit and deserve their place in mid table. They have battled hard for that position and rebuilt over several years since they hit financial meltdown. The Bulls just 1 year after going into admin are back there again building up debts spending more than they could afford. Thee Voice of Reason
  • Score: -7

7:25pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Lythambull says...

tinytoonster wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
well said.
i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish.
to benefit sky tv and sod the fans.
you can keep it.
Who's trying to score points? I was drawing a comparison that makes a point. I didn't say city were in trouble. I draw the analogy to make my point to another poster. If you read my other posts today you'll see quote clearly that I agree that rugby league is in decline and that fact that the two clubs have been treatsed differently in your eyes probably does stick in your craw a bit.
I'm quite certain that PP will stop the rot and City will be in no danger whatsoever of relegation come May. Clearly my point touched a raw nerve but it does seem apt.

It was quite wrong of me to use the fact that City have one win in seventeen to try and score points.

It's nineteen games now, isn't it? ;) ;)
[quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..[/p][/quote]well said. i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish. to benefit sky tv and sod the fans. you can keep it.[/p][/quote]Who's trying to score points? I was drawing a comparison that makes a point. I didn't say city were in trouble. I draw the analogy to make my point to another poster. If you read my other posts today you'll see quote clearly that I agree that rugby league is in decline and that fact that the two clubs have been treatsed differently in your eyes probably does stick in your craw a bit. I'm quite certain that PP will stop the rot and City will be in no danger whatsoever of relegation come May. Clearly my point touched a raw nerve but it does seem apt. It was quite wrong of me to use the fact that City have one win in seventeen to try and score points. It's nineteen games now, isn't it? ;) ;) Lythambull
  • Score: 1

8:16pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Ackersthebull says...

Points deduction, half sky money. Just get us in the championship this season and let's get promoted to full sky money with a stronger successful team next season. Pathetic carry on!
Points deduction, half sky money. Just get us in the championship this season and let's get promoted to full sky money with a stronger successful team next season. Pathetic carry on! Ackersthebull
  • Score: -1

8:30pm Sat 1 Feb 14

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

remind me if have not the bulls been here before how is it that they can strengthen the team then go in to administration is not that bending the rules like they did last year seems they are taking the proverbial micheal out of the rugby league get a grip red hall
remind me if have not the bulls been here before how is it that they can strengthen the team then go in to administration is not that bending the rules like they did last year seems they are taking the proverbial micheal out of the rugby league get a grip red hall christinetowell456@btinternet.com
  • Score: -5

8:34pm Sat 1 Feb 14

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

Lythambull wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
well said.
i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish.
to benefit sky tv and sod the fans.
you can keep it.
Who's trying to score points? I was drawing a comparison that makes a point. I didn't say city were in trouble. I draw the analogy to make my point to another poster. If you read my other posts today you'll see quote clearly that I agree that rugby league is in decline and that fact that the two clubs have been treatsed differently in your eyes probably does stick in your craw a bit.
I'm quite certain that PP will stop the rot and City will be in no danger whatsoever of relegation come May. Clearly my point touched a raw nerve but it does seem apt.

It was quite wrong of me to use the fact that City have one win in seventeen to try and score points.

It's nineteen games now, isn't it? ;) ;)
I think its about time red hall got the bulls by the horns and treated the bulls like they do everyone else and stop making them a SPECIAL CASE
[quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..[/p][/quote]well said. i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish. to benefit sky tv and sod the fans. you can keep it.[/p][/quote]Who's trying to score points? I was drawing a comparison that makes a point. I didn't say city were in trouble. I draw the analogy to make my point to another poster. If you read my other posts today you'll see quote clearly that I agree that rugby league is in decline and that fact that the two clubs have been treatsed differently in your eyes probably does stick in your craw a bit. I'm quite certain that PP will stop the rot and City will be in no danger whatsoever of relegation come May. Clearly my point touched a raw nerve but it does seem apt. It was quite wrong of me to use the fact that City have one win in seventeen to try and score points. It's nineteen games now, isn't it? ;) ;)[/p][/quote]I think its about time red hall got the bulls by the horns and treated the bulls like they do everyone else and stop making them a SPECIAL CASE christinetowell456@btinternet.com
  • Score: -1

9:48pm Sat 1 Feb 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Lytham, you did poke another dig at the end and to be honest, it's been said before and it'll be said again and again. City are in a big sport and are a small fish in a huge pond with probably the most popular team game of a commercial kind in the world. Having a go at City won't help the Bulls cause one bit. Don't forget City did put in a bid for the Bulls along with Park Avenue ;cough'
The best bet is for the Odsal stadium to go back to the council if they are the owners? Or have I missed something with this lease bobbing around. It used to be a tip and it could earn a lot of much needed revenue for the council (if they got their act together and it had new leaders) Fill it in, give the tipping charge cheaper thus giving builders a chance to subsidise cheaper homes in the city. It could be built on for twenty five years as the land needs to settle but it would be worth a few bob in years to come.
The Bulls don't need a place so big. If Avenue 'cough' were to make the football league then they could have a tidy stadium owned by the council. You see the Bulls won't want to go to Valley Parade because they said it was too small and the seats weren't big enough for average rugby league fans (these were a couple of the excuses)

Christine further up has got it right, it needs sorting.
Lytham, you did poke another dig at the end and to be honest, it's been said before and it'll be said again and again. City are in a big sport and are a small fish in a huge pond with probably the most popular team game of a commercial kind in the world. Having a go at City won't help the Bulls cause one bit. Don't forget City did put in a bid for the Bulls along with Park Avenue ;cough' The best bet is for the Odsal stadium to go back to the council if they are the owners? Or have I missed something with this lease bobbing around. It used to be a tip and it could earn a lot of much needed revenue for the council (if they got their act together and it had new leaders) Fill it in, give the tipping charge cheaper thus giving builders a chance to subsidise cheaper homes in the city. It could be built on for twenty five years as the land needs to settle but it would be worth a few bob in years to come. The Bulls don't need a place so big. If Avenue 'cough' were to make the football league then they could have a tidy stadium owned by the council. You see the Bulls won't want to go to Valley Parade because they said it was too small and the seats weren't big enough for average rugby league fans (these were a couple of the excuses) Christine further up has got it right, it needs sorting. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: 3

10:58am Sun 2 Feb 14

axlef1963 says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
it would appear that despite the BS on the Club website yesterday that was taken down that the RFL were not aware that this was going to happen.

they seem to have forgotten that despite being a business you also have to operate within the rules of the Governing body.

I hear that the other clubs are furious especially Wakefield who had to sell players to avoid this situation.

OK is clamming that he was not aware that they were noting this and is going to take legal action; we are in for more of a circus over the next few weeks.
ok bulls with Mr khan had his chance to sell his shares.It was all set up with the rfl in the meeting as well,reading between the lines at the last minute someone changed the agenda,no guessing who that was.It seems a large part of the 400.000 black hole was the loan which was taken out but was not secured on the bulls assets has meant we don't have to sell players now.Somebody really does have to look at the books for last year and tell us what the hell was going on .come on messrs sutliffe and khan what were you playing at questions need to be answered coyb
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: it would appear that despite the BS on the Club website yesterday that was taken down that the RFL were not aware that this was going to happen. they seem to have forgotten that despite being a business you also have to operate within the rules of the Governing body. I hear that the other clubs are furious especially Wakefield who had to sell players to avoid this situation. OK is clamming that he was not aware that they were noting this and is going to take legal action; we are in for more of a circus over the next few weeks.[/p][/quote]ok bulls with Mr khan had his chance to sell his shares.It was all set up with the rfl in the meeting as well,reading between the lines at the last minute someone changed the agenda,no guessing who that was.It seems a large part of the 400.000 black hole was the loan which was taken out but was not secured on the bulls assets has meant we don't have to sell players now.Somebody really does have to look at the books for last year and tell us what the hell was going on .come on messrs sutliffe and khan what were you playing at questions need to be answered coyb axlef1963
  • Score: 4

11:17am Sun 2 Feb 14

oddshapedballs says...

Nothing to do with this but an interesting fact. The solicitor who just sacked Brian Mac at Leeds utd (wrongly) the same guy that told Bulls Iestyn was a free agent!!
Nothing to do with this but an interesting fact. The solicitor who just sacked Brian Mac at Leeds utd (wrongly) the same guy that told Bulls Iestyn was a free agent!! oddshapedballs
  • Score: 2

9:10pm Sun 2 Feb 14

bradfordbronco says...

christinetowell456@b
tinternet.com
wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
tinytoonster wrote:
Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
well said.
i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish.
to benefit sky tv and sod the fans.
you can keep it.
Who's trying to score points? I was drawing a comparison that makes a point. I didn't say city were in trouble. I draw the analogy to make my point to another poster. If you read my other posts today you'll see quote clearly that I agree that rugby league is in decline and that fact that the two clubs have been treatsed differently in your eyes probably does stick in your craw a bit.
I'm quite certain that PP will stop the rot and City will be in no danger whatsoever of relegation come May. Clearly my point touched a raw nerve but it does seem apt.

It was quite wrong of me to use the fact that City have one win in seventeen to try and score points.

It's nineteen games now, isn't it? ;) ;)
I think its about time red hall got the bulls by the horns and treated the bulls like they do everyone else and stop making them a SPECIAL CASE
would be nice if Bulls were treated like every other club. Bulls were docked 6 points, Wakefield 4 points,,Crusaders 4 points, London 0 points. Bulls lost half their sky money for 2 years, Wakefield none, Crusaders none, London none, Salford none. All the other clubs got an extra £50,000 on top of their sky money from the Bulls money. All the other clubs except London play teams of similar standard at the magic weekend. The Bulls have probably been docked 2 points already by playing against the top team. 9th v 1st very fair.

Oh, if only the Bulls were treated like everybody else !!
[quote][p][bold]christinetowell456@b tinternet.com[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tinytoonster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..[/p][/quote]well said. i used to go to northern but all this super league rubbish. to benefit sky tv and sod the fans. you can keep it.[/p][/quote]Who's trying to score points? I was drawing a comparison that makes a point. I didn't say city were in trouble. I draw the analogy to make my point to another poster. If you read my other posts today you'll see quote clearly that I agree that rugby league is in decline and that fact that the two clubs have been treatsed differently in your eyes probably does stick in your craw a bit. I'm quite certain that PP will stop the rot and City will be in no danger whatsoever of relegation come May. Clearly my point touched a raw nerve but it does seem apt. It was quite wrong of me to use the fact that City have one win in seventeen to try and score points. It's nineteen games now, isn't it? ;) ;)[/p][/quote]I think its about time red hall got the bulls by the horns and treated the bulls like they do everyone else and stop making them a SPECIAL CASE[/p][/quote]would be nice if Bulls were treated like every other club. Bulls were docked 6 points, Wakefield 4 points,,Crusaders 4 points, London 0 points. Bulls lost half their sky money for 2 years, Wakefield none, Crusaders none, London none, Salford none. All the other clubs got an extra £50,000 on top of their sky money from the Bulls money. All the other clubs except London play teams of similar standard at the magic weekend. The Bulls have probably been docked 2 points already by playing against the top team. 9th v 1st very fair. Oh, if only the Bulls were treated like everybody else !! bradfordbronco
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6:28am Mon 3 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

Papa Smurfs Wig wrote:
Lythambull wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
-HCK3R- wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........
You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.
Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.
What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score.
I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise.
So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again.
City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season.
I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious,
Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened.
League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..
Lytham has expressed what all the decent and true fans feel about the situation that exists. It is not desireable and also is deeply upsetting on many levels.
You on the other hand are bringing long gone decisions, into a facile arguement that bears no relationship to what has actually happened.
None of us can be blamed for the £200k loan, can we!

You talk about figures that are unknowable by anyone, and would hazard a guess that you are also one of the unknowing. £5m? ( I seem to remember the council paid the Bulls the final compensation package in one lump sum which was £3m ish, but it's old news and not relevant)
May I suggest it is you and some others who don't care what they say, as long as they can stir up animosity. who are trying to score points, and not really suceeding, but that's in the opinion of a humble beleaguered supporter of the battling Bulls.
[quote][p][bold]Papa Smurfs Wig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lythambull[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]-HCK3R-[/bold] wrote: It never ceases to amaze me that the small number of armchair experts who are sad enough to despise the Bulls so much yet follow and comment on every story under different guises know more than everybody else including the RFL as to what is going on behind the scenes at the club .........wonder if any of them can tell us tonights winning lottery numbers !...........[/p][/quote]You don't need to be mystic meg to see that spending more than you earn year after year will end up like this. Cut your cloth accordingly and don't play the victim.[/p][/quote]Who is playing the victim? Who cuts the cloth? Two separate groups of people! You can't tell bulls fans that they have no right to be upset because the directors failed in their duties? Just how many fans do you think we're privy to budget meetings etc??? I don't hold City fans responsible for the facts that the club has sold its best Ayer and hasn't won a home game since last September and has only won one game in the last SEVENTEEN! That's not the fans fault, it's the manager and the board. The same has true here, you can't look down your nose at fans and say "Tsk, tsk, you should have know better, you shouldn't have taken out those loans!" The board are responsible for the financial problems, the fans are perfectly within their rights to be upset at what's going on.[/p][/quote]What a stupid reply Lytham trying to points score. I'll tell you why the City fans got so annoyed at your lot. When Park Avenue folded many of their their fans couldn't think of going to City, so they went to L***s and Odsal. Their choice and so be it but when they became the Bulls, they were forever going cap in hand to the council and getting helped out. They even got over £5 million when they passed on the lease and to add insult to injury, when City were in the admins the Bulls fans were forever berating City and the council gave nothing. They said they wouldn't help a commercial enterprise. So then Khan got the £200k loan last year when there were loads of redundancies and the financial climate is terrible, but the good old Labour lot bailed them out again. City are doing fine and they said mid table would be the aim for this season. I used to go all the time home and away to watch Northern but when this circus started with Super League it didn't do it for me. The Bulls fans were being rather tedious, Rugby League seems to be on a decline and the sport can't pull in the big sponsorship deals, like it or not, that is what has happened. League is a minority in the world of sport and giving different rules to new clubs and the team winning the league having to mplay for the title again is laughable. The RFL just try and run out the season to earn more money..[/p][/quote]Lytham has expressed what all the decent and true fans feel about the situation that exists. It is not desireable and also is deeply upsetting on many levels. You on the other hand are bringing long gone decisions, into a facile arguement that bears no relationship to what has actually happened. None of us can be blamed for the £200k loan, can we! You talk about figures that are unknowable by anyone, and would hazard a guess that you are also one of the unknowing. £5m? ( I seem to remember the council paid the Bulls the final compensation package in one lump sum which was £3m ish, but it's old news and not relevant) May I suggest it is you and some others who don't care what they say, as long as they can stir up animosity. who are trying to score points, and not really suceeding, but that's in the opinion of a humble beleaguered supporter of the battling Bulls. raisemeup
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6:47am Mon 3 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

May I add to my previous post, that keeping up with the actual plot is a good idea when writing on this particular forum.
OK Bulls Ltd was subjected to the administration by a 1% shareholder who is also owed a figure in excess of £150k. This shareholder who also has a debenture on OK Bulls to secure the payment, is the boss of a Leeds security company, and has no connection with the new owners who have purchased the club from the administrator.
Blake Solly gave a pretty concise analysis of the situation, which at least backs up certain aspects of the stories we have heard to date. It also, by implication. leads people to suspect that the RFL have been kept in the loop from day one.

I would think the detractors on here, have now had their fun. Hopefully the thread has now run out.
May I add to my previous post, that keeping up with the actual plot is a good idea when writing on this particular forum. OK Bulls Ltd was subjected to the administration by a 1% shareholder who is also owed a figure in excess of £150k. This shareholder who also has a debenture on OK Bulls to secure the payment, is the boss of a Leeds security company, and has no connection with the new owners who have purchased the club from the administrator. Blake Solly gave a pretty concise analysis of the situation, which at least backs up certain aspects of the stories we have heard to date. It also, by implication. leads people to suspect that the RFL have been kept in the loop from day one. I would think the detractors on here, have now had their fun. Hopefully the thread has now run out. raisemeup
  • Score: -1

11:25am Mon 3 Feb 14

BCFC1911 says...

And now there is news coming out that they havent paid for the training ground in Tong for the last 6 months and have been served notice to vacate

C'mon Calvert / Moore sort it out ffs
And now there is news coming out that they havent paid for the training ground in Tong for the last 6 months and have been served notice to vacate C'mon Calvert / Moore sort it out ffs BCFC1911
  • Score: 2

8:35pm Mon 3 Feb 14

raisemeup says...

BCFC1911 wrote:
And now there is news coming out that they havent paid for the training ground in Tong for the last 6 months and have been served notice to vacate

C'mon Calvert / Moore sort it out ffs
That is already in the pipeline, and has been for some time.
So when you tell people to sort something out, attempt to get the facts first!
Incidently have any of the doubters seen Martyn Sadlers detailed analysis of the deal with SKY plus the initial payments being made probably within the next two weeks.
I would think the Bulls may be able to at least begin to rebuild with some sort of comfort blanket to ease the finances for 2014.
These figures will give TVOR and some others a nightmare because they are concise/ accurate and fairly well distributed. Unfortunately they(TVOR et al) will no longer be able to bamboozle us with figures that are meaningless.
See League Express Monday 3rd Feb.

COYB
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1911[/bold] wrote: And now there is news coming out that they havent paid for the training ground in Tong for the last 6 months and have been served notice to vacate C'mon Calvert / Moore sort it out ffs[/p][/quote]That is already in the pipeline, and has been for some time. So when you tell people to sort something out, attempt to get the facts first! Incidently have any of the doubters seen Martyn Sadlers detailed analysis of the deal with SKY plus the initial payments being made probably within the next two weeks. I would think the Bulls may be able to at least begin to rebuild with some sort of comfort blanket to ease the finances for 2014. These figures will give TVOR and some others a nightmare because they are concise/ accurate and fairly well distributed. Unfortunately they(TVOR et al) will no longer be able to bamboozle us with figures that are meaningless. See League Express Monday 3rd Feb. COYB raisemeup
  • Score: 0

9:23pm Mon 3 Feb 14

Alhaurinrhino says...

The similarities between the shabby bulls and the Labour party are there for all to see, both love to spend money they don't have and when it all goes bang they either deny any wrong doing or run for the hills blaming "illness".
The similarities between the shabby bulls and the Labour party are there for all to see, both love to spend money they don't have and when it all goes bang they either deny any wrong doing or run for the hills blaming "illness". Alhaurinrhino
  • Score: 1

7:58am Fri 7 Feb 14

rogerthat! says...

O what a circus. The lies that have been told and continue to be, bring the world of Rugby League into Disrepute. What do they treat the fans as Idiots??
Judging by some of the posts the Club self appointed Directors have been busy trying to convince us all.
Next move to Khan!!!!! has he got any B lls or has he got the money for the Fight ?????
O what a circus. The lies that have been told and continue to be, bring the world of Rugby League into Disrepute. What do they treat the fans as Idiots?? Judging by some of the posts the Club self appointed Directors have been busy trying to convince us all. Next move to Khan!!!!! has he got any B lls or has he got the money for the Fight ????? rogerthat!
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