Mark Moore, Andrew Calvert and Ian Watt to step down from Bradford Bulls

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Outgoing Bulls director Mark Moore Outgoing Bulls director Mark Moore

The Bulls’ current board of directors have announced they are leaving the club after no agreement for the transfer of shares could be reached with owner Omar Khan.

The RFL’s chief operating officer Ralph Rimmer today met Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe in a bid to find a resolution to the club’s ownership saga.

But no agreement could be reached and now Andrew Calvert, Mark Moore and Ian Watt have stepped down.

Mr Moore has issued the following statement: "It comes with great disappointment and regret that we hereby notify all Bulls supporters that Ian Watt, Andrew Calvert and I have decided to step down from the club due to the failure of the share transfer from previous owners Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe MP.

"Omar Khan is also now requesting payment for his director’s loans from the club.

"We understand that professional sport is all about keeping strong confidence with all of the key stakeholders.

"These stakeholders are suppliers, players, staff members, sponsors and most importantly our supporters.

"That confidence is integral to the clubs success and without the shares issue being agreed by Mr Khan we feel a line cannot be drawn under the whole affair.

"We have all personally invested a substantial amount of money into OK Bulls and have worked tirelessly to turn the club around, with a focus of making it self-sustainable.

"Andrew Calvert has built up a working relationship with most of our creditors, who have been very supportive with the majority of them agreeing a payment plan so the club could build back the trust needed.

"Over the past few weeks we have also worked closely with three other West Yorkshire-based Super League clubs to sense check our budgets, ensuring we had a clearer understanding of what we could expect for the coming year.

"By using better models to base our budgetary strategy against we felt this was the only way to make sure the club could navigate its way through what will be a tough 2014 season, before we reach the full Super League central funding allocation in 2015.

"We also took the tough and uncomfortable decision to retract the business and make cuts across every business unit and streamline budgets based on current income forecast as we felt this was the only way the business could function self sustainably.

"Throughout this process we had been under the impression that the entirety of the OK Bulls shares would be transferred to our team.

"This all had been part of a bigger ongoing discussion between us, Omar Khan’s solicitors and other important stakeholders, such as, Bradford Council and the Rugby Football League.

"However, it has since transpired that still Mr Khan will not release the shares to us, despite these discussions with all stakeholders.

"We all felt that it was in the best interest of the club that we exhausted all avenues before making this decision and there was a final meeting between Mr Khan, Mr Sutcliffe and the governing body this morning – but to no avail as Mr Khan is still insistent on not passing over the shares, which he legally holds.

"As a group we in effect have no power to run the business successfully without having the legal responsibility which is the foundation of all business.

"Mr Khan has stated that he will not transfer the shares and as such he will now need to come back into the business and take control.

"We are all confident that the business in now in the best position it has been in for the last two years and we hope the club will not revisit similar mistakes made in the past.

"Finally we would like to thank staff, sponsors, suppliers – and of course supporters – that have shown us and club unwavering support throughout what has been a tumultuous two years for the Bulls.

"We are unhappy that the situation has lead us to this point but as all supporters will agree without owning the shares to the business the club will be at the mercy of whom ever has that control.

"We all have our own businesses, which have suffered in the light of the countless hours of work we have invested into righting the rocky ship, as well as taking our time away from our families, which we all must now focus on.

"Equally we are all Bulls fans and will cheer the players on from the sidelines more than ever."

Responding to the announcement, Mr Sutcliffe said: “I am shocked and surprised by the announcement made by the three directors of Bradford Bulls especially the cynical timing of the announcement which will seriously affect the future of the club.

“When I stepped down as honorary chairman in September it was on the understanding that the new team had agreed the sale of the club from Omar Khan due to his ill health.

“That agreement has not been honoured according to Mr Khan.

“I was contacted recently by the rugby league to try to help to find a solution as someone who has fought to keep the club from last year’s threat of liquidation.

“I remain available to have discussions with any party committed to the sustainable future of the club.”

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2:09pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Will, Huddersfield says...

Could this be the last chapter in this sorry saga?
Could this be the last chapter in this sorry saga? Will, Huddersfield

2:11pm Tue 24 Dec 13

BCFC1234 says...

Gerry Sutcliffe, didnt realise he was still alive ! Never off the back pages when he was involved in the club, like all Labour MP's,scuttled away when the muck hit the fan.
Gerry Sutcliffe, didnt realise he was still alive ! Never off the back pages when he was involved in the club, like all Labour MP's,scuttled away when the muck hit the fan. BCFC1234

2:17pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Looks like 5hit and fan are about to come together.
Looks like 5hit and fan are about to come together. Thee Voice of Reason

2:21pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Btw why are Bradford Council involved. This £200k loan doesn't sound secure to me at this time.
Btw why are Bradford Council involved. This £200k loan doesn't sound secure to me at this time. Thee Voice of Reason

2:23pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Parz says...

I'll support the club through thick and thin but even as the eternal optimist, I'm sturggling to find the silver linings anymore. It's just one thing after another.

Onwards and upwards...hopefully.
I'll support the club through thick and thin but even as the eternal optimist, I'm sturggling to find the silver linings anymore. It's just one thing after another. Onwards and upwards...hopefully. Parz

2:24pm Tue 24 Dec 13

A650 says...

So the bloke who built up £580k of debt in 1 year is back at the helm, having never really gone away.

Great.
So the bloke who built up £580k of debt in 1 year is back at the helm, having never really gone away. Great. A650

2:32pm Tue 24 Dec 13

notpoliticallycorrect says...

The whole thing is a shambles, a total fiasco.

They must have known that Khan needed the original £300,000 back straight away. He borrowed the money and needed it back to pay a loan in his name.

They have put nothing back to Khan or into the club because collectively they don't have a pot to p1ss in.
The whole thing is a shambles, a total fiasco. They must have known that Khan needed the original £300,000 back straight away. He borrowed the money and needed it back to pay a loan in his name. They have put nothing back to Khan or into the club because collectively they don't have a pot to p1ss in. notpoliticallycorrect

2:35pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Shipley Paul says...

Having put 500 quid into last year's survival bid, I'm now thinking that my season ticket money for next season is about to go down the same black hole. Do you think I can have curry vouchers to replace them?
Having put 500 quid into last year's survival bid, I'm now thinking that my season ticket money for next season is about to go down the same black hole. Do you think I can have curry vouchers to replace them? Shipley Paul

2:36pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

notpoliticallycorrec
t
wrote:
The whole thing is a shambles, a total fiasco.

They must have known that Khan needed the original £300,000 back straight away. He borrowed the money and needed it back to pay a loan in his name.

They have put nothing back to Khan or into the club because collectively they don't have a pot to p1ss in.
Or maybe they are unwilling to pay for a club saddled in debt and not put a penny in until they have the shares which I see as fair.
So Khan and Sutcliffe back at the helm, doesn't fill you with confidence.
[quote][p][bold]notpoliticallycorrec t[/bold] wrote: The whole thing is a shambles, a total fiasco. They must have known that Khan needed the original £300,000 back straight away. He borrowed the money and needed it back to pay a loan in his name. They have put nothing back to Khan or into the club because collectively they don't have a pot to p1ss in.[/p][/quote]Or maybe they are unwilling to pay for a club saddled in debt and not put a penny in until they have the shares which I see as fair. So Khan and Sutcliffe back at the helm, doesn't fill you with confidence. Thee Voice of Reason

2:41pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

O dear . What about the Players and Staff will they get Paid?? All I said about Khan and Suitcliffe has come true. All he was good at was calling Ex players who had left the sinking ship. Come on Khan get your hand in your pocket or shove off.
O dear . What about the Players and Staff will they get Paid?? All I said about Khan and Suitcliffe has come true. All he was good at was calling Ex players who had left the sinking ship. Come on Khan get your hand in your pocket or shove off. Scrouge

2:47pm Tue 24 Dec 13

notpoliticallycorrect says...

He has no money left either, no pocket to put hand into.

This can really only end with one outcome in my opinion. Back into Administration and probable closure.
He has no money left either, no pocket to put hand into. This can really only end with one outcome in my opinion. Back into Administration and probable closure. notpoliticallycorrect

2:50pm Tue 24 Dec 13

nowt fresh says...

Shipley Paul wrote:
Having put 500 quid into last year's survival bid, I'm now thinking that my season ticket money for next season is about to go down the same black hole. Do you think I can have curry vouchers to replace them?
At least you still have your sence of humour Shipley Paul :-)).
[quote][p][bold]Shipley Paul[/bold] wrote: Having put 500 quid into last year's survival bid, I'm now thinking that my season ticket money for next season is about to go down the same black hole. Do you think I can have curry vouchers to replace them?[/p][/quote]At least you still have your sence of humour Shipley Paul :-)). nowt fresh

2:54pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Wasn't it only yesterday the club were asking for season ticket holders to buy up their belong package before today. Disgusting wanting fans to part with cash if they were on the verge of walking out of the club.

Is Robbie Paul the only one left?
Wasn't it only yesterday the club were asking for season ticket holders to buy up their belong package before today. Disgusting wanting fans to part with cash if they were on the verge of walking out of the club. Is Robbie Paul the only one left? Thee Voice of Reason

2:55pm Tue 24 Dec 13

bradford_boy says...

Omar said he had to stand down for health reasons didn't he? He appears to be fine now working on his other business interests no problem so he should be able to take charge again!
Wonder who he'll appoint to the board this time.........
Omar said he had to stand down for health reasons didn't he? He appears to be fine now working on his other business interests no problem so he should be able to take charge again! Wonder who he'll appoint to the board this time......... bradford_boy

3:14pm Tue 24 Dec 13

johntheumpire says...

This is an absolutely calamitous situation. I wonder what the new players must be thinking! They will be wondering just what they have committed themselves to!
This is an absolutely calamitous situation. I wonder what the new players must be thinking! They will be wondering just what they have committed themselves to! johntheumpire

3:26pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Avro says...

The begining of the end...
The begining of the end... Avro

3:27pm Tue 24 Dec 13

nosher says...

We are dooooooomed lol. Can hear the sighs of relief from here, from these lucky 3 business men that have just played their get out of jail card. Can't see a way forward from here.
We are dooooooomed lol. Can hear the sighs of relief from here, from these lucky 3 business men that have just played their get out of jail card. Can't see a way forward from here. nosher

3:41pm Tue 24 Dec 13

doneBD4 says...

R.I.P Bradford Bulls
R.I.P Bradford Bulls doneBD4

3:50pm Tue 24 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters. bradfordbronco

4:05pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan.
Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan. Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back. Scrouge

4:14pm Tue 24 Dec 13

losing hope says...

All I can say is come back Mr Caisley. We had an excellent team when he was Chairman and gates of 24000 when we played Leeds. Why do some people hate him and do not know the facts.
I am afraid this news is as bad as all the bad news about Bradford as a city to live in Where are the moneymen of Bradford who became MILLIOAIRES OUT OT THE city AND PUT NOTHING BACK.
I have paid for my season ticket (more fool me) and donated £100 in the recue package last year.
They should now go to Bradford City and ask them how to run a professional sports club successfully. Please Please close down Odsal and start in the Conference and re-build the club. It is time now to fill in the Odsal hole and cut your losses from it Malcolm Elliott
All I can say is come back Mr Caisley. We had an excellent team when he was Chairman and gates of 24000 when we played Leeds. Why do some people hate him and do not know the facts. I am afraid this news is as bad as all the bad news about Bradford as a city to live in Where are the moneymen of Bradford who became MILLIOAIRES OUT OT THE city AND PUT NOTHING BACK. I have paid for my season ticket (more fool me) and donated £100 in the recue package last year. They should now go to Bradford City and ask them how to run a professional sports club successfully. Please Please close down Odsal and start in the Conference and re-build the club. It is time now to fill in the Odsal hole and cut your losses from it Malcolm Elliott losing hope

4:54pm Tue 24 Dec 13

rama99 says...

losing hope wrote:
All I can say is come back Mr Caisley. We had an excellent team when he was Chairman and gates of 24000 when we played Leeds. Why do some people hate him and do not know the facts.
I am afraid this news is as bad as all the bad news about Bradford as a city to live in Where are the moneymen of Bradford who became MILLIOAIRES OUT OT THE city AND PUT NOTHING BACK.
I have paid for my season ticket (more fool me) and donated £100 in the recue package last year.
They should now go to Bradford City and ask them how to run a professional sports club successfully. Please Please close down Odsal and start in the Conference and re-build the club. It is time now to fill in the Odsal hole and cut your losses from it Malcolm Elliott
that is funning becasuse i was told by a friend of mine who has been going to city for years told me that city are in the **** as well
[quote][p][bold]losing hope[/bold] wrote: All I can say is come back Mr Caisley. We had an excellent team when he was Chairman and gates of 24000 when we played Leeds. Why do some people hate him and do not know the facts. I am afraid this news is as bad as all the bad news about Bradford as a city to live in Where are the moneymen of Bradford who became MILLIOAIRES OUT OT THE city AND PUT NOTHING BACK. I have paid for my season ticket (more fool me) and donated £100 in the recue package last year. They should now go to Bradford City and ask them how to run a professional sports club successfully. Please Please close down Odsal and start in the Conference and re-build the club. It is time now to fill in the Odsal hole and cut your losses from it Malcolm Elliott[/p][/quote]that is funning becasuse i was told by a friend of mine who has been going to city for years told me that city are in the **** as well rama99

5:03pm Tue 24 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

Moore and co have left the club in a shambles. Di they honestly believe that Khan would simply give them the share with out some kind of agreement over the debts etc. Did they do due diligence when thy joined as directors.

The club is in a total mess. A major shareholder with no one running the ship.

Khan will be best advised to liquidate OK Bulls immediately: administrators cost a whole bunch of money with some paid up front. This is the end of the Bulls for certain.
Moore and co have left the club in a shambles. Di they honestly believe that Khan would simply give them the share with out some kind of agreement over the debts etc. Did they do due diligence when thy joined as directors. The club is in a total mess. A major shareholder with no one running the ship. Khan will be best advised to liquidate OK Bulls immediately: administrators cost a whole bunch of money with some paid up front. This is the end of the Bulls for certain. tyker7745

5:05pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Didn't I read in the last week, from one of the rose tinted glasses brigade, that we could expect some exciting news from Odsal?! I don't think this was what they were expecting!

Most of us knew that Moore, Calvert an Watt wouldn't be hanging around for long. Who can blame them if, as reported, almost everyday turned up an hitherto unknown debt/problem?

I doubted the club would start the 2014 campaign and, sadly, that now looks even more likely. RIP
Didn't I read in the last week, from one of the rose tinted glasses brigade, that we could expect some exciting news from Odsal?! I don't think this was what they were expecting! Most of us knew that Moore, Calvert an Watt wouldn't be hanging around for long. Who can blame them if, as reported, almost everyday turned up an hitherto unknown debt/problem? I doubted the club would start the 2014 campaign and, sadly, that now looks even more likely. RIP Pablo

5:09pm Tue 24 Dec 13

tyker7745 says...

The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions.

It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money
The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions. It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money tyker7745

5:22pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Pablo says...

tyker7745 wrote:
The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions.

It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money
If that's the case, somebody is going to answer for this bigtime!

If true, who on earth sanctioned it? What a can of worms this lot is!
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions. It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money[/p][/quote]If that's the case, somebody is going to answer for this bigtime! If true, who on earth sanctioned it? What a can of worms this lot is! Pablo

5:24pm Tue 24 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Will, Huddersfield wrote:
Could this be the last chapter in this sorry saga?
I think its the begining of many amusing stories.
I wonder if the police are going to investigate and find out what has happened to the public money that has gone missing and who authorized it.If I were GS I would be running a country mile in case he joins his friend at HMP.
[quote][p][bold]Will, Huddersfield[/bold] wrote: Could this be the last chapter in this sorry saga?[/p][/quote]I think its the begining of many amusing stories. I wonder if the police are going to investigate and find out what has happened to the public money that has gone missing and who authorized it.If I were GS I would be running a country mile in case he joins his friend at HMP. collos25

5:37pm Tue 24 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Scrouge wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan.
Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.
No You are wrong on almost every count.
1. The £400,000 from fans and the wider RL community went to the Hood regime. Nothing to do with OK Bulls.
2.The RL withheld SL monies to the club once it went into admin under Guilfoyle. They did then give them a "loan" for approx the same amount they withheld.Again nothing to do with OK Bulls
3. The RFL punished the club for going into admin by deducting 6 points. Which meant we missed out on the play offs. Nothing to do with OK Bulls
4. OK Bulls did take over the club without any guarantee of a SL place or of central Funding from the RFL. The RFL chose to withhold 2013 & 2014 payments to OK Bulls who had no choice but to agree to it. The Other clubs voted in favour of penalising OK Bulls instead of helping them get back on their feet which has undoubtedly contributed to the current problems
5. The Bulls are still struggling due to the fact they have had less money than all the other SL Clubs.

I'm not saying the Bulls problems were caused by the RFL but they could have done and still could do more to help. But then why would the governing body help one of its clubs?? Isn't that what the governing body is for to help promote and foster the growth of the game. It looks like their more interested in punishing OK Bulls for the sins of previous regimes. Think Nigel Wood has a personal vendetta against the club since his days at halifax.

I may be proved wrong but the silence from the RFL is deafening
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan. Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.[/p][/quote]No You are wrong on almost every count. 1. The £400,000 from fans and the wider RL community went to the Hood regime. Nothing to do with OK Bulls. 2.The RL withheld SL monies to the club once it went into admin under Guilfoyle. They did then give them a "loan" for approx the same amount they withheld.Again nothing to do with OK Bulls 3. The RFL punished the club for going into admin by deducting 6 points. Which meant we missed out on the play offs. Nothing to do with OK Bulls 4. OK Bulls did take over the club without any guarantee of a SL place or of central Funding from the RFL. The RFL chose to withhold 2013 & 2014 payments to OK Bulls who had no choice but to agree to it. The Other clubs voted in favour of penalising OK Bulls instead of helping them get back on their feet which has undoubtedly contributed to the current problems 5. The Bulls are still struggling due to the fact they have had less money than all the other SL Clubs. I'm not saying the Bulls problems were caused by the RFL but they could have done and still could do more to help. But then why would the governing body help one of its clubs?? Isn't that what the governing body is for to help promote and foster the growth of the game. It looks like their more interested in punishing OK Bulls for the sins of previous regimes. Think Nigel Wood has a personal vendetta against the club since his days at halifax. I may be proved wrong but the silence from the RFL is deafening bradfordbronco

5:51pm Tue 24 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan.
Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.
No You are wrong on almost every count.
1. The £400,000 from fans and the wider RL community went to the Hood regime. Nothing to do with OK Bulls.
2.The RL withheld SL monies to the club once it went into admin under Guilfoyle. They did then give them a "loan" for approx the same amount they withheld.Again nothing to do with OK Bulls
3. The RFL punished the club for going into admin by deducting 6 points. Which meant we missed out on the play offs. Nothing to do with OK Bulls
4. OK Bulls did take over the club without any guarantee of a SL place or of central Funding from the RFL. The RFL chose to withhold 2013 & 2014 payments to OK Bulls who had no choice but to agree to it. The Other clubs voted in favour of penalising OK Bulls instead of helping them get back on their feet which has undoubtedly contributed to the current problems
5. The Bulls are still struggling due to the fact they have had less money than all the other SL Clubs.

I'm not saying the Bulls problems were caused by the RFL but they could have done and still could do more to help. But then why would the governing body help one of its clubs?? Isn't that what the governing body is for to help promote and foster the growth of the game. It looks like their more interested in punishing OK Bulls for the sins of previous regimes. Think Nigel Wood has a personal vendetta against the club since his days at halifax.

I may be proved wrong but the silence from the RFL is deafening
OK's bargaining chip with the RFL for getting the club over City and Park Avenue was his wavering of the Sky monies so lets not blame the RFL for that one.

OK took over the club with a clean slate and him and his cronies run it into the ground in record time. The OK sells it to MM who does not end up paying for it but to my understanding has signed for all the debt for which he is now liable along with Whitcut.

We are now back to square one, OK at the helm of a sinking ship with no money.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan. Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.[/p][/quote]No You are wrong on almost every count. 1. The £400,000 from fans and the wider RL community went to the Hood regime. Nothing to do with OK Bulls. 2.The RL withheld SL monies to the club once it went into admin under Guilfoyle. They did then give them a "loan" for approx the same amount they withheld.Again nothing to do with OK Bulls 3. The RFL punished the club for going into admin by deducting 6 points. Which meant we missed out on the play offs. Nothing to do with OK Bulls 4. OK Bulls did take over the club without any guarantee of a SL place or of central Funding from the RFL. The RFL chose to withhold 2013 & 2014 payments to OK Bulls who had no choice but to agree to it. The Other clubs voted in favour of penalising OK Bulls instead of helping them get back on their feet which has undoubtedly contributed to the current problems 5. The Bulls are still struggling due to the fact they have had less money than all the other SL Clubs. I'm not saying the Bulls problems were caused by the RFL but they could have done and still could do more to help. But then why would the governing body help one of its clubs?? Isn't that what the governing body is for to help promote and foster the growth of the game. It looks like their more interested in punishing OK Bulls for the sins of previous regimes. Think Nigel Wood has a personal vendetta against the club since his days at halifax. I may be proved wrong but the silence from the RFL is deafening[/p][/quote]OK's bargaining chip with the RFL for getting the club over City and Park Avenue was his wavering of the Sky monies so lets not blame the RFL for that one. OK took over the club with a clean slate and him and his cronies run it into the ground in record time. The OK sells it to MM who does not end up paying for it but to my understanding has signed for all the debt for which he is now liable along with Whitcut. We are now back to square one, OK at the helm of a sinking ship with no money. fedupwiththeBS

5:59pm Tue 24 Dec 13

collos25 says...

Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.
Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare. collos25

6:04pm Tue 24 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

collos25 wrote:
Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.
Exactly. We desperately need the RFL to step in and help the club out. Otherwise they will lose a famous name and thousands of supporters
[quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We desperately need the RFL to step in and help the club out. Otherwise they will lose a famous name and thousands of supporters bradfordbronco

6:17pm Tue 24 Dec 13

blue marlin says...

So we started after gilfoyle with a clean slate and now owe tens of thousands of pounds, should someone not be asking how it came to this
Merry Christmas to all
So we started after gilfoyle with a clean slate and now owe tens of thousands of pounds, should someone not be asking how it came to this Merry Christmas to all blue marlin

6:23pm Tue 24 Dec 13

queenyfan says...

Its untrue to City are also in the mire. The club is well run, and following the two Wembleys and promotion were able to pay Mark Lawn a £1m loan back which was a good move as it got rid of the interest on this amount. Now City operate in the black, although this season with higer wages there is likely to be a controlled deficit. That deficit will disappear should City get promotion or sell a player. So they are not in the mire.
They have also always said that should the Bulls come to Valley Parade (As it likely to see several mentions now) it will be on their terms, and must be of benefit to the football club. Whe can blame them for that?
Bulls fans should be asking several serious questions. Where did the money raised to save the club go, and who got the £200k that the Council loaned them. Also why the Bulls can get financial assistance from the Council but City cant. The answers may surprise you Bulls fans.
Its untrue to City are also in the mire. The club is well run, and following the two Wembleys and promotion were able to pay Mark Lawn a £1m loan back which was a good move as it got rid of the interest on this amount. Now City operate in the black, although this season with higer wages there is likely to be a controlled deficit. That deficit will disappear should City get promotion or sell a player. So they are not in the mire. They have also always said that should the Bulls come to Valley Parade (As it likely to see several mentions now) it will be on their terms, and must be of benefit to the football club. Whe can blame them for that? Bulls fans should be asking several serious questions. Where did the money raised to save the club go, and who got the £200k that the Council loaned them. Also why the Bulls can get financial assistance from the Council but City cant. The answers may surprise you Bulls fans. queenyfan

6:29pm Tue 24 Dec 13

hx3bantam says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.
Exactly. We desperately need the RFL to step in and help the club out. Otherwise they will lose a famous name and thousands of supporters
Why should the governing body help out a failing business? I'm sure London, Wakefield, Salford et al would have loved a bale out too and they were running on a fraction of the crowds the Bulls were. If anything the RFL should be seriously looking at the licence allocations again. Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and live within your means for a while even if it means dropping down and starting over. It needs sorting before another set of chancers come in and muddy the waters further. Feel sorry for the players and staff if they are only getting told the same BS the fans are being told. It's a mess!
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We desperately need the RFL to step in and help the club out. Otherwise they will lose a famous name and thousands of supporters[/p][/quote]Why should the governing body help out a failing business? I'm sure London, Wakefield, Salford et al would have loved a bale out too and they were running on a fraction of the crowds the Bulls were. If anything the RFL should be seriously looking at the licence allocations again. Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and live within your means for a while even if it means dropping down and starting over. It needs sorting before another set of chancers come in and muddy the waters further. Feel sorry for the players and staff if they are only getting told the same BS the fans are being told. It's a mess! hx3bantam

6:54pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
Omar Omar give us a wave . Are you one of the fools who used to sing.???.
He had a clean sheet having left a lot of debts behind and still made a complete mess. Why not get him and his Puppy dog Whitcut back to sort out the mess??.
Why say Robbie?.. He was recruited by Khan was he not?? He usually has a spin to put on the situation. Most have a turkey at Xmas bulls have Khan.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]Omar Omar give us a wave . Are you one of the fools who used to sing.???. He had a clean sheet having left a lot of debts behind and still made a complete mess. Why not get him and his Puppy dog Whitcut back to sort out the mess??. Why say Robbie?.. He was recruited by Khan was he not?? He usually has a spin to put on the situation. Most have a turkey at Xmas bulls have Khan. Scrouge

6:57pm Tue 24 Dec 13

joewoollard says...

The RFL has to step up now and get a grip. Both the Bulls and the Broncos must be relegated to Championship IMMEDIATELY! This will then give both clubs a season to get themselves sorted out financially and in that time they will get some decent support from Championship supporters who really do love Rugby League. It's a no brainer - so come on followers of the Greatest Game let's get the ball rolling and help the Bulls and the Broncos to get on their feet again. I personally don't know how to do it but one of you out there must know how to kick the RFL up the backside and get something happening! Do it now please!
The RFL has to step up now and get a grip. Both the Bulls and the Broncos must be relegated to Championship IMMEDIATELY! This will then give both clubs a season to get themselves sorted out financially and in that time they will get some decent support from Championship supporters who really do love Rugby League. It's a no brainer - so come on followers of the Greatest Game let's get the ball rolling and help the Bulls and the Broncos to get on their feet again. I personally don't know how to do it but one of you out there must know how to kick the RFL up the backside and get something happening! Do it now please! joewoollard

7:02pm Tue 24 Dec 13

AUGUST1964 says...

Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware!
Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle.
Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.
Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware! Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle. Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all. AUGUST1964

7:08pm Tue 24 Dec 13

rogerthat! says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan.
Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.
No You are wrong on almost every count.
1. The £400,000 from fans and the wider RL community went to the Hood regime. Nothing to do with OK Bulls.
2.The RL withheld SL monies to the club once it went into admin under Guilfoyle. They did then give them a "loan" for approx the same amount they withheld.Again nothing to do with OK Bulls
3. The RFL punished the club for going into admin by deducting 6 points. Which meant we missed out on the play offs. Nothing to do with OK Bulls
4. OK Bulls did take over the club without any guarantee of a SL place or of central Funding from the RFL. The RFL chose to withhold 2013 & 2014 payments to OK Bulls who had no choice but to agree to it. The Other clubs voted in favour of penalising OK Bulls instead of helping them get back on their feet which has undoubtedly contributed to the current problems
5. The Bulls are still struggling due to the fact they have had less money than all the other SL Clubs.

I'm not saying the Bulls problems were caused by the RFL but they could have done and still could do more to help. But then why would the governing body help one of its clubs?? Isn't that what the governing body is for to help promote and foster the growth of the game. It looks like their more interested in punishing OK Bulls for the sins of previous regimes. Think Nigel Wood has a personal vendetta against the club since his days at halifax.

I may be proved wrong but the silence from the RFL is deafening
OK's bargaining chip with the RFL for getting the club over City and Park Avenue was his wavering of the Sky monies so lets not blame the RFL for that one.

OK took over the club with a clean slate and him and his cronies run it into the ground in record time. The OK sells it to MM who does not end up paying for it but to my understanding has signed for all the debt for which he is now liable along with Whitcut.

We are now back to square one, OK at the helm of a sinking ship with no money.
Omar KKAN is he Traitor????? What goes around comes around.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]Stop blaming the RFL for all the goings on at Bulls. The Sky money was advanced during the Hood reign along with the other Super league clubs chipping into the Pot not forgetting the Loyal Fans £400,000. All this money and goodwill went to Guilfoyle the Liquidator who handed the Club to Khan. Where does the Club go from here? Ask MR Suitcliffe MP ! I fear administration again ,who would want to take on these Debts? Taxi for Robbie if Khan come back.[/p][/quote]No You are wrong on almost every count. 1. The £400,000 from fans and the wider RL community went to the Hood regime. Nothing to do with OK Bulls. 2.The RL withheld SL monies to the club once it went into admin under Guilfoyle. They did then give them a "loan" for approx the same amount they withheld.Again nothing to do with OK Bulls 3. The RFL punished the club for going into admin by deducting 6 points. Which meant we missed out on the play offs. Nothing to do with OK Bulls 4. OK Bulls did take over the club without any guarantee of a SL place or of central Funding from the RFL. The RFL chose to withhold 2013 & 2014 payments to OK Bulls who had no choice but to agree to it. The Other clubs voted in favour of penalising OK Bulls instead of helping them get back on their feet which has undoubtedly contributed to the current problems 5. The Bulls are still struggling due to the fact they have had less money than all the other SL Clubs. I'm not saying the Bulls problems were caused by the RFL but they could have done and still could do more to help. But then why would the governing body help one of its clubs?? Isn't that what the governing body is for to help promote and foster the growth of the game. It looks like their more interested in punishing OK Bulls for the sins of previous regimes. Think Nigel Wood has a personal vendetta against the club since his days at halifax. I may be proved wrong but the silence from the RFL is deafening[/p][/quote]OK's bargaining chip with the RFL for getting the club over City and Park Avenue was his wavering of the Sky monies so lets not blame the RFL for that one. OK took over the club with a clean slate and him and his cronies run it into the ground in record time. The OK sells it to MM who does not end up paying for it but to my understanding has signed for all the debt for which he is now liable along with Whitcut. We are now back to square one, OK at the helm of a sinking ship with no money.[/p][/quote]Omar KKAN is he Traitor????? What goes around comes around. rogerthat!

7:23pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Simo13 says...

I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster Simo13

7:34pm Tue 24 Dec 13

nowt fresh says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware! Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle. Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.
" ,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware"
Well you wouldn't as many of them weren't City supporters 10 years ago most have jumped on our two Wembley apperances, good luck to you Bulls fans but I don't think luck is exactly what you need at the moment AUGUST1964 ?
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware! Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle. Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.[/p][/quote]" ,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware" Well you wouldn't as many of them weren't City supporters 10 years ago most have jumped on our two Wembley apperances, good luck to you Bulls fans but I don't think luck is exactly what you need at the moment AUGUST1964 ? nowt fresh

7:37pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Your dad was a colossus, Simon. How we could do with a man of matching integrity and standing today?

Trevor was the catalyst in the rebirth of the old Bradford Northern. How I wish he was around now to sort out this sorry mess.
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Your dad was a colossus, Simon. How we could do with a man of matching integrity and standing today? Trevor was the catalyst in the rebirth of the old Bradford Northern. How I wish he was around now to sort out this sorry mess. Pablo

7:56pm Tue 24 Dec 13

queenyfan says...

August 65.
I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference).
In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy.
But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls.
No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!!
City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis. queenyfan

8:07pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Fc town says...

Look guys as a fax fan , no bad thing starting back in championship , hell it's now only two promotions away , clean slate and all that , plus the mighty fax can regain bury , Northowram and Shelf , come back boys all is forgiven
Look guys as a fax fan , no bad thing starting back in championship , hell it's now only two promotions away , clean slate and all that , plus the mighty fax can regain bury , Northowram and Shelf , come back boys all is forgiven Fc town

8:08pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Stevie-C says...

Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency
Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency Stevie-C

8:10pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

tyker7745 wrote:
The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions. It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money
I must sound like a stuck record also asking about the 'loan' from the council. When City were in the mire they were knocked back and left to rot but the Bulls as usual looked after.

If Tony Reeves and Dave Green sanctioned this loan then their heads should be on the block.

It also seems Omar wasn't what some fans thought, as a saviour.
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions. It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money[/p][/quote]I must sound like a stuck record also asking about the 'loan' from the council. When City were in the mire they were knocked back and left to rot but the Bulls as usual looked after. If Tony Reeves and Dave Green sanctioned this loan then their heads should be on the block. It also seems Omar wasn't what some fans thought, as a saviour. Papa Smurfs Wig

8:18pm Tue 24 Dec 13

queenyfan says...

I have been in contact with David Green (Lots of times!!!) about the refusal to assist City in their hour of need. His answer was "it was not on my watch" which I told him was unacceptable. The facts surrounding the Bulls loan need to be made public.
I have been in contact with David Green (Lots of times!!!) about the refusal to assist City in their hour of need. His answer was "it was not on my watch" which I told him was unacceptable. The facts surrounding the Bulls loan need to be made public. queenyfan

8:31pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency
Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement.

Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas.

The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting.

At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency[/p][/quote]Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement. Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas. The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting. At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge Mike Strutter

8:39pm Tue 24 Dec 13

axlef1963 says...

I said more bad news was to come .the writing was on the wall..Omar Khan and gerry Sutcliffe hang your heads in shame you have between yourselves killed our club for your gain.If YOU DISAGREE please come to a meeting i would be glad to pick your brains as to what you had planned for the bulls and its supporters and how you were going to finance these proposals.I can not in the life of me understand how you were going to do this with the money we had available so please explain to all of us how you were going to do this'I guess you wont reply as your too chicken to do this so RIP BRADFORD NORTHERN /BULLS well done you set of morons
I said more bad news was to come .the writing was on the wall..Omar Khan and gerry Sutcliffe hang your heads in shame you have between yourselves killed our club for your gain.If YOU DISAGREE please come to a meeting i would be glad to pick your brains as to what you had planned for the bulls and its supporters and how you were going to finance these proposals.I can not in the life of me understand how you were going to do this with the money we had available so please explain to all of us how you were going to do this'I guess you wont reply as your too chicken to do this so RIP BRADFORD NORTHERN /BULLS well done you set of morons axlef1963

8:42pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

Merry Christmas :)
Merry Christmas :) Alhaurinrhino

8:50pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency
Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement.

Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas.

The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting.

At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge
Will Khan put his own people back in to get his money back? Where does this leave Robbie? He alined himself with the 3 ex directors. Omar not happy .
How many players will he move out? What sort of team will be left? Questions Questions??? What will Cummins do or Say?? Khan and his pal Suitcliffe should feel the shame.
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency[/p][/quote]Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement. Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas. The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting. At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge[/p][/quote]Will Khan put his own people back in to get his money back? Where does this leave Robbie? He alined himself with the 3 ex directors. Omar not happy . How many players will he move out? What sort of team will be left? Questions Questions??? What will Cummins do or Say?? Khan and his pal Suitcliffe should feel the shame. Scrouge

8:54pm Tue 24 Dec 13

axlef1963 says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
sorry simon as i new your late father as he coached me at the Bradford police boys club i feel that the time has come to bite the bullet and say lets start a fresh.Lets start this great club a fresh and build on solid foundations and build from the bottom.Iknow there are a lot of fans saying lets stay in sl but to honest its a no go.Please people understand the end is nigh,lets start again and buils COY NORTHERN TILL I DIE PS WHAT A **** DAY
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]sorry simon as i new your late father as he coached me at the Bradford police boys club i feel that the time has come to bite the bullet and say lets start a fresh.Lets start this great club a fresh and build on solid foundations and build from the bottom.Iknow there are a lot of fans saying lets stay in sl but to honest its a no go.Please people understand the end is nigh,lets start again and buils COY NORTHERN TILL I DIE PS WHAT A **** DAY axlef1963

8:54pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

queenyfan wrote:
I have been in contact with David Green (Lots of times!!!) about the refusal to assist City in their hour of need. His answer was "it was not on my watch" which I told him was unacceptable. The facts surrounding the Bulls loan need to be made public.
I remember the council also sayin the won't help a commercial enterprise, ahem ok then,

So as Sutcliffe is an MP, would be be in front of a commons committee to answer questions regarding his tenure at the Bulls and where the council money has gone?
[quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: I have been in contact with David Green (Lots of times!!!) about the refusal to assist City in their hour of need. His answer was "it was not on my watch" which I told him was unacceptable. The facts surrounding the Bulls loan need to be made public.[/p][/quote]I remember the council also sayin the won't help a commercial enterprise, ahem ok then, So as Sutcliffe is an MP, would be be in front of a commons committee to answer questions regarding his tenure at the Bulls and where the council money has gone? Papa Smurfs Wig

9:02pm Tue 24 Dec 13

AUGUST1964 says...

queenyfan wrote:
August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?
[quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.[/p][/quote]And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they? AUGUST1964

9:05pm Tue 24 Dec 13

axlef1963 says...

joewoollard wrote:
The RFL has to step up now and get a grip. Both the Bulls and the Broncos must be relegated to Championship IMMEDIATELY! This will then give both clubs a season to get themselves sorted out financially and in that time they will get some decent support from Championship supporters who really do love Rugby League. It's a no brainer - so come on followers of the Greatest Game let's get the ball rolling and help the Bulls and the Broncos to get on their feet again. I personally don't know how to do it but one of you out there must know how to kick the RFL up the backside and get something happening! Do it now please!
AGREE the sl is shot i for one think sl should be 10 teams no matter what.lets be honest were shot.
[quote][p][bold]joewoollard[/bold] wrote: The RFL has to step up now and get a grip. Both the Bulls and the Broncos must be relegated to Championship IMMEDIATELY! This will then give both clubs a season to get themselves sorted out financially and in that time they will get some decent support from Championship supporters who really do love Rugby League. It's a no brainer - so come on followers of the Greatest Game let's get the ball rolling and help the Bulls and the Broncos to get on their feet again. I personally don't know how to do it but one of you out there must know how to kick the RFL up the backside and get something happening! Do it now please![/p][/quote]AGREE the sl is shot i for one think sl should be 10 teams no matter what.lets be honest were shot. axlef1963

9:13pm Tue 24 Dec 13

king karl says...

I'm hearing a new consortium will be announced in the new year and this isn't bad news for the bulls
I'm hearing a new consortium will be announced in the new year and this isn't bad news for the bulls king karl

9:14pm Tue 24 Dec 13

linebacker2 says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
queenyfan wrote:
August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?
City attendances are up around 30-40% since promotion so most supporters were there last season.

On your main point, 99% of city fans aren't gloating over your predicament and Bulls/Northern are welcome to play at Valley Parade.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.[/p][/quote]And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?[/p][/quote]City attendances are up around 30-40% since promotion so most supporters were there last season. On your main point, 99% of city fans aren't gloating over your predicament and Bulls/Northern are welcome to play at Valley Parade. linebacker2

9:15pm Tue 24 Dec 13

queenyfan says...

August 1964
Lets stick to facts. Citys crowd figure has held up well since their fall from the Prenmiership by virtue of inivative season ticket pricing. In fact this seasons average is less than 2k up on last season so we were averaging 12k last season FACT. So to say most of the present support arises from last season is untrue.
City fans dont glory in in the Bulls plight (As I say many of us remember the times our club was nearly lost) but we do, understandably, question why the Bulls were given a £200k loan when City were told by Bradford Council that it was not possible when they needed help. And if you knew some of the background of that loan (Which I do because I asked) then you would fully understand why we are right to ask the question.
August 1964 Lets stick to facts. Citys crowd figure has held up well since their fall from the Prenmiership by virtue of inivative season ticket pricing. In fact this seasons average is less than 2k up on last season so we were averaging 12k last season FACT. So to say most of the present support arises from last season is untrue. City fans dont glory in in the Bulls plight (As I say many of us remember the times our club was nearly lost) but we do, understandably, question why the Bulls were given a £200k loan when City were told by Bradford Council that it was not possible when they needed help. And if you knew some of the background of that loan (Which I do because I asked) then you would fully understand why we are right to ask the question. queenyfan

9:16pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

What does Sutcliffe mean by cynical timing ?

If I were Sutcliffe I would be careful what he says in public as I reckon the 3 ex directors could do more damage to his reputation than what he could do to theirs !!
What does Sutcliffe mean by cynical timing ? If I were Sutcliffe I would be careful what he says in public as I reckon the 3 ex directors could do more damage to his reputation than what he could do to theirs !! Mike Strutter

9:17pm Tue 24 Dec 13

axlef1963 says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
queenyfan wrote:
August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?
don't blame city fans for the sh#t we are in .The whole mess is a joke,come back mr hood you were dealt a cr'p hand ie the harris sage .Iremember some one saying the contract was flawed.ah aaaah you idiot please pay back the compo.
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.[/p][/quote]And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?[/p][/quote]don't blame city fans for the sh#t we are in .The whole mess is a joke,come back mr hood you were dealt a cr'p hand ie the harris sage .Iremember some one saying the contract was flawed.ah aaaah you idiot please pay back the compo. axlef1963

9:26pm Tue 24 Dec 13

axlef1963 says...

king karl wrote:
I'm hearing a new consortium will be announced in the new year and this isn't bad news for the bulls
GIVE ME A BREAK ANOTHER CONSORTIUM .I GIVE UP WHAT MONEY HAVE THEY GOT OR ARE WE CLUTCHING AT STRAWS AGAIN .PLEASE PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
[quote][p][bold]king karl[/bold] wrote: I'm hearing a new consortium will be announced in the new year and this isn't bad news for the bulls[/p][/quote]GIVE ME A BREAK ANOTHER CONSORTIUM .I GIVE UP WHAT MONEY HAVE THEY GOT OR ARE WE CLUTCHING AT STRAWS AGAIN .PLEASE PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY ENOUGH IS ENOUGH axlef1963

9:38pm Tue 24 Dec 13

AUGUST1964 says...

axlef1963 wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
queenyfan wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?
don't blame city fans for the sh#t we are in .The whole mess is a joke,come back mr hood you were dealt a cr'p hand ie the harris sage .Iremember some one saying the contract was flawed.ah aaaah you idiot please pay back the compo.
Not blaming city fans by any means,I don't know who is to blame and neither do you as you weren't at every board meeting or conversation which took place over the last few years, read what you see not what you want to see,by all means cast an opinion,but starting to play the blame game won't cure the situation we are in now.
[quote][p][bold]axlef1963[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.[/p][/quote]And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?[/p][/quote]don't blame city fans for the sh#t we are in .The whole mess is a joke,come back mr hood you were dealt a cr'p hand ie the harris sage .Iremember some one saying the contract was flawed.ah aaaah you idiot please pay back the compo.[/p][/quote]Not blaming city fans by any means,I don't know who is to blame and neither do you as you weren't at every board meeting or conversation which took place over the last few years, read what you see not what you want to see,by all means cast an opinion,but starting to play the blame game won't cure the situation we are in now. AUGUST1964

9:54pm Tue 24 Dec 13

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

big bad bas writes have you ever thought Bradford council may have loaned the money in order to get their hands on the ground for future council houses?
big bad bas writes have you ever thought Bradford council may have loaned the money in order to get their hands on the ground for future council houses? christinetowell456@btinternet.com

10:16pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

We used to talk about how many thousands of skips you could empty into the place and at a reduced price to help local builders etc but we were told you can't build on the land for twenty five years as it has to settle.

That might rub against the grain but I doubt the Bulls could support that place without futher council help. Was it £5,3 million or so they gave them only for Caisley to splash out on the banqueting area?
We used to talk about how many thousands of skips you could empty into the place and at a reduced price to help local builders etc but we were told you can't build on the land for twenty five years as it has to settle. That might rub against the grain but I doubt the Bulls could support that place without futher council help. Was it £5,3 million or so they gave them only for Caisley to splash out on the banqueting area? Papa Smurfs Wig

10:17pm Tue 24 Dec 13

queenyfan says...

We invited Hood to come down to Valley Parade to a Supporters Forum (organised by fans not Bradford City FC) and he was so arrogant it was untrue. He completely missed the point about why he had been invited and seemed to find the opportunity to become tenants of a football club unsavoury. Bet they wish they had given serious consideration to it then, as City needed the extra cash. Now City, although far from a wealthy club, are not as desperate.
We invited Hood to come down to Valley Parade to a Supporters Forum (organised by fans not Bradford City FC) and he was so arrogant it was untrue. He completely missed the point about why he had been invited and seemed to find the opportunity to become tenants of a football club unsavoury. Bet they wish they had given serious consideration to it then, as City needed the extra cash. Now City, although far from a wealthy club, are not as desperate. queenyfan

11:07pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game.

None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
But the RFL have been helping.
Who do you think has been paying the wages since Khan left.
For September October and November.
God knows whose paid the staff this month.

Its alright Sutcliffe spouting about timing.

The stupid man has wracked up £1.2 million in debt that OK Bulls are in in 12 months to resgnation.
We have had 4 further months of expenditure with no games.
And a wage bill for Sept Oct Nov of £220000 a month.
The RFL have helped.
WHEN OK TOOK OVER HE KNEW THE PLAYING FIELD AND READILY AGREED>
1.HALF SKY MONEY 2 YEARS
2.INHERITED CONTRACTS WITH 3 HAS BEENS ON OVER £100000 A YEAR>NO BCFC PLAYER EVEN NEAR HALF THAT AND THEY PLAYED 63 GAMES NOT 27.WHY DID HE NOT AS PART OF THE :"COME OUT OF ADMIN " RENEGOTIATE THOSE CONTRACTS R UNDETAK THE CST CUTTING ONLY BEEN UNDERTAKEN NOW>
3.WHY DID HE USE HIS OWN "IDIOT "PEOPLE

Someone is saying there is only £580000 debt.

I guess that's unconnected creditors.
I guess Bradford Council are owed £200000
I guess OK paid £250000 to buy essentialy a lot of overpriced contracts and a CORAL Stand.A Stand that cost £2.7 million to build with Council provided money.(5.5 miillon on the Bulls return to ODSAL)
I guess OK has deposited SOME money in August in order to pay creditors and wages.

THE CLUB HAS BEEN INSOLVENT WIHOUT A SUGAR DADDY FOR TOO MANY YEARS
IT CANNOT COMPETE AT THE TOP IN SUPER LEAGUE.

SO A FANS CLUB IT SHOULD BE>
STARTING AT THE BOTTOM.

THEY WENT DOWN TO DIVISION " BEFORE AND BOUNCED BACK AS CHAMPIONS>A 16 YEAR OLD KEITH MUMBY EMERGED>

WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION KIDS>PLAY EM AND START AGAIN>THEN WE WILL SEE WHO THE FANS ARE

OK Is clearly incompetent to have wracked up that much debt in a year and think his shares are worth something.

Sutcliffe just has not got a blood* clue about numbers having sat at the top table with Gordon Brown.

His comments In this article are crass.
#
OK as doing a runner.
Once the new lot realised the mess he was leaving they tried to back out weeks ago.
The books wee so bad its taken thee months to even find the true financial position of debt.

Due Dilligence?

Its a pity we saw no due diligence these past 15 months.

He lived the dream.

I used to fantasise that one day I"d meet my dreamgirl.
But every one turned to nightmare so gave up dreaming.


Head in The Clouds Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe.
Have seen the death of the BULLS.

Long live Bradford Northern.FANS>

Don't put your money into a black hole.

SAVE IT FOR THE FANS CLUB

IN BARLA CHAMPIONSHIP OR WHEREVER AS LONG AS IN RAB.

WHERES VIKING SILLY BOY
HERES RAISMEUP AS USUAL SELF PITYING CALLING US ALL TROLLS>

Churchill also knew his finest hour.
This is the Bulls nadir.

Sorry OK with a big red clowns nose on retaking the reins a XMAS wll top Churchills for me.

Never in the history of human conflict have so many been brought down by so few.
Keep finding another £500000 fans.Every 4 months whilst these idiots are in charge.Just to keep the name alive.For a few more weeks.

MADNESS WITH TWO CLOWNS ON THE STAGE
AND THE BEST BUDDY NOW AN ENEMY FROM WITHIN.
GUESS IT"ll BE ALL CANT CUTS FAULT NOW

How appropriate.The Muppets are on this Christmas.

Statlers got noting on you Raise
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]But the RFL have been helping. Who do you think has been paying the wages since Khan left. For September October and November. God knows whose paid the staff this month. Its alright Sutcliffe spouting about timing. The stupid man has wracked up £1.2 million in debt that OK Bulls are in in 12 months to resgnation. We have had 4 further months of expenditure with no games. And a wage bill for Sept Oct Nov of £220000 a month. The RFL have helped. WHEN OK TOOK OVER HE KNEW THE PLAYING FIELD AND READILY AGREED> 1.HALF SKY MONEY 2 YEARS 2.INHERITED CONTRACTS WITH 3 HAS BEENS ON OVER £100000 A YEAR>NO BCFC PLAYER EVEN NEAR HALF THAT AND THEY PLAYED 63 GAMES NOT 27.WHY DID HE NOT AS PART OF THE :"COME OUT OF ADMIN " RENEGOTIATE THOSE CONTRACTS R UNDETAK THE CST CUTTING ONLY BEEN UNDERTAKEN NOW> 3.WHY DID HE USE HIS OWN "IDIOT "PEOPLE Someone is saying there is only £580000 debt. I guess that's unconnected creditors. I guess Bradford Council are owed £200000 I guess OK paid £250000 to buy essentialy a lot of overpriced contracts and a CORAL Stand.A Stand that cost £2.7 million to build with Council provided money.(5.5 miillon on the Bulls return to ODSAL) I guess OK has deposited SOME money in August in order to pay creditors and wages. THE CLUB HAS BEEN INSOLVENT WIHOUT A SUGAR DADDY FOR TOO MANY YEARS IT CANNOT COMPETE AT THE TOP IN SUPER LEAGUE. SO A FANS CLUB IT SHOULD BE> STARTING AT THE BOTTOM. THEY WENT DOWN TO DIVISION " BEFORE AND BOUNCED BACK AS CHAMPIONS>A 16 YEAR OLD KEITH MUMBY EMERGED> WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION KIDS>PLAY EM AND START AGAIN>THEN WE WILL SEE WHO THE FANS ARE OK Is clearly incompetent to have wracked up that much debt in a year and think his shares are worth something. Sutcliffe just has not got a blood* clue about numbers having sat at the top table with Gordon Brown. His comments In this article are crass. # OK as doing a runner. Once the new lot realised the mess he was leaving they tried to back out weeks ago. The books wee so bad its taken thee months to even find the true financial position of debt. Due Dilligence? Its a pity we saw no due diligence these past 15 months. He lived the dream. I used to fantasise that one day I"d meet my dreamgirl. But every one turned to nightmare so gave up dreaming. Head in The Clouds Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe. Have seen the death of the BULLS. Long live Bradford Northern.FANS> Don't put your money into a black hole. SAVE IT FOR THE FANS CLUB IN BARLA CHAMPIONSHIP OR WHEREVER AS LONG AS IN RAB. WHERES VIKING SILLY BOY HERES RAISMEUP AS USUAL SELF PITYING CALLING US ALL TROLLS> Churchill also knew his finest hour. This is the Bulls nadir. Sorry OK with a big red clowns nose on retaking the reins a XMAS wll top Churchills for me. Never in the history of human conflict have so many been brought down by so few. Keep finding another £500000 fans.Every 4 months whilst these idiots are in charge.Just to keep the name alive.For a few more weeks. MADNESS WITH TWO CLOWNS ON THE STAGE AND THE BEST BUDDY NOW AN ENEMY FROM WITHIN. GUESS IT"ll BE ALL CANT CUTS FAULT NOW How appropriate.The Muppets are on this Christmas. Statlers got noting on you Raise Ahrmen Aleg

11:20pm Tue 24 Dec 13

AUGUST1964 says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.
But the RFL have been helping. Who do you think has been paying the wages since Khan left. For September October and November. God knows whose paid the staff this month. Its alright Sutcliffe spouting about timing. The stupid man has wracked up £1.2 million in debt that OK Bulls are in in 12 months to resgnation. We have had 4 further months of expenditure with no games. And a wage bill for Sept Oct Nov of £220000 a month. The RFL have helped. WHEN OK TOOK OVER HE KNEW THE PLAYING FIELD AND READILY AGREED> 1.HALF SKY MONEY 2 YEARS 2.INHERITED CONTRACTS WITH 3 HAS BEENS ON OVER £100000 A YEAR>NO BCFC PLAYER EVEN NEAR HALF THAT AND THEY PLAYED 63 GAMES NOT 27.WHY DID HE NOT AS PART OF THE :"COME OUT OF ADMIN " RENEGOTIATE THOSE CONTRACTS R UNDETAK THE CST CUTTING ONLY BEEN UNDERTAKEN NOW> 3.WHY DID HE USE HIS OWN "IDIOT "PEOPLE Someone is saying there is only £580000 debt. I guess that's unconnected creditors. I guess Bradford Council are owed £200000 I guess OK paid £250000 to buy essentialy a lot of overpriced contracts and a CORAL Stand.A Stand that cost £2.7 million to build with Council provided money.(5.5 miillon on the Bulls return to ODSAL) I guess OK has deposited SOME money in August in order to pay creditors and wages. THE CLUB HAS BEEN INSOLVENT WIHOUT A SUGAR DADDY FOR TOO MANY YEARS IT CANNOT COMPETE AT THE TOP IN SUPER LEAGUE. SO A FANS CLUB IT SHOULD BE> STARTING AT THE BOTTOM. THEY WENT DOWN TO DIVISION " BEFORE AND BOUNCED BACK AS CHAMPIONS>A 16 YEAR OLD KEITH MUMBY EMERGED> WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION KIDS>PLAY EM AND START AGAIN>THEN WE WILL SEE WHO THE FANS ARE OK Is clearly incompetent to have wracked up that much debt in a year and think his shares are worth something. Sutcliffe just has not got a blood* clue about numbers having sat at the top table with Gordon Brown. His comments In this article are crass. # OK as doing a runner. Once the new lot realised the mess he was leaving they tried to back out weeks ago. The books wee so bad its taken thee months to even find the true financial position of debt. Due Dilligence? Its a pity we saw no due diligence these past 15 months. He lived the dream. I used to fantasise that one day I"d meet my dreamgirl. But every one turned to nightmare so gave up dreaming. Head in The Clouds Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe. Have seen the death of the BULLS. Long live Bradford Northern.FANS> Don't put your money into a black hole. SAVE IT FOR THE FANS CLUB IN BARLA CHAMPIONSHIP OR WHEREVER AS LONG AS IN RAB. WHERES VIKING SILLY BOY HERES RAISMEUP AS USUAL SELF PITYING CALLING US ALL TROLLS> Churchill also knew his finest hour. This is the Bulls nadir. Sorry OK with a big red clowns nose on retaking the reins a XMAS wll top Churchills for me. Never in the history of human conflict have so many been brought down by so few. Keep finding another £500000 fans.Every 4 months whilst these idiots are in charge.Just to keep the name alive.For a few more weeks. MADNESS WITH TWO CLOWNS ON THE STAGE AND THE BEST BUDDY NOW AN ENEMY FROM WITHIN. GUESS IT"ll BE ALL CANT CUTS FAULT NOW How appropriate.The Muppets are on this Christmas. Statlers got noting on you Raise
WOW,glad its xmas and the booze is flowing,watch,wait,a
nd see another rebirth!
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: Why do they expect Omar to give them his shares in return for no Money. Why does Omar expect them to give him money for shares that aren't worth anything? Its a catch 22 situation. The answer is for the RFL to pay the Bulls their fair share of the central TV money. But they too seem to think its more important to punish one of its members and more importantly thousands its fans who contributed to the coffers at every other SL club last year by attending away games, many bought tickets for magic weekend, Challenge cup and SL Finals not to mention backing the World Cup games and still the RFL would rather see all these fans lost to the game. None of the people involved have enough cash to run a SL club that is being penalised financially by the governing body. With a level playing field we could just about survive. What we need is help from the RFL not kicking when we're down. They asked for our backing with the recent world cup. We responded and bought tickets to ensure its success. Now its their time to help repay the games supporters.[/p][/quote]But the RFL have been helping. Who do you think has been paying the wages since Khan left. For September October and November. God knows whose paid the staff this month. Its alright Sutcliffe spouting about timing. The stupid man has wracked up £1.2 million in debt that OK Bulls are in in 12 months to resgnation. We have had 4 further months of expenditure with no games. And a wage bill for Sept Oct Nov of £220000 a month. The RFL have helped. WHEN OK TOOK OVER HE KNEW THE PLAYING FIELD AND READILY AGREED> 1.HALF SKY MONEY 2 YEARS 2.INHERITED CONTRACTS WITH 3 HAS BEENS ON OVER £100000 A YEAR>NO BCFC PLAYER EVEN NEAR HALF THAT AND THEY PLAYED 63 GAMES NOT 27.WHY DID HE NOT AS PART OF THE :"COME OUT OF ADMIN " RENEGOTIATE THOSE CONTRACTS R UNDETAK THE CST CUTTING ONLY BEEN UNDERTAKEN NOW> 3.WHY DID HE USE HIS OWN "IDIOT "PEOPLE Someone is saying there is only £580000 debt. I guess that's unconnected creditors. I guess Bradford Council are owed £200000 I guess OK paid £250000 to buy essentialy a lot of overpriced contracts and a CORAL Stand.A Stand that cost £2.7 million to build with Council provided money.(5.5 miillon on the Bulls return to ODSAL) I guess OK has deposited SOME money in August in order to pay creditors and wages. THE CLUB HAS BEEN INSOLVENT WIHOUT A SUGAR DADDY FOR TOO MANY YEARS IT CANNOT COMPETE AT THE TOP IN SUPER LEAGUE. SO A FANS CLUB IT SHOULD BE> STARTING AT THE BOTTOM. THEY WENT DOWN TO DIVISION " BEFORE AND BOUNCED BACK AS CHAMPIONS>A 16 YEAR OLD KEITH MUMBY EMERGED> WE HAVE THE FOUNDATION KIDS>PLAY EM AND START AGAIN>THEN WE WILL SEE WHO THE FANS ARE OK Is clearly incompetent to have wracked up that much debt in a year and think his shares are worth something. Sutcliffe just has not got a blood* clue about numbers having sat at the top table with Gordon Brown. His comments In this article are crass. # OK as doing a runner. Once the new lot realised the mess he was leaving they tried to back out weeks ago. The books wee so bad its taken thee months to even find the true financial position of debt. Due Dilligence? Its a pity we saw no due diligence these past 15 months. He lived the dream. I used to fantasise that one day I"d meet my dreamgirl. But every one turned to nightmare so gave up dreaming. Head in The Clouds Omar Khan and Gerry Sutcliffe. Have seen the death of the BULLS. Long live Bradford Northern.FANS> Don't put your money into a black hole. SAVE IT FOR THE FANS CLUB IN BARLA CHAMPIONSHIP OR WHEREVER AS LONG AS IN RAB. WHERES VIKING SILLY BOY HERES RAISMEUP AS USUAL SELF PITYING CALLING US ALL TROLLS> Churchill also knew his finest hour. This is the Bulls nadir. Sorry OK with a big red clowns nose on retaking the reins a XMAS wll top Churchills for me. Never in the history of human conflict have so many been brought down by so few. Keep finding another £500000 fans.Every 4 months whilst these idiots are in charge.Just to keep the name alive.For a few more weeks. MADNESS WITH TWO CLOWNS ON THE STAGE AND THE BEST BUDDY NOW AN ENEMY FROM WITHIN. GUESS IT"ll BE ALL CANT CUTS FAULT NOW How appropriate.The Muppets are on this Christmas. Statlers got noting on you Raise[/p][/quote]WOW,glad its xmas and the booze is flowing,watch,wait,a nd see another rebirth! AUGUST1964

11:22pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Rhinoman says...

hx3bantam wrote:
bradfordbronco wrote:
collos25 wrote:
Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.
Exactly. We desperately need the RFL to step in and help the club out. Otherwise they will lose a famous name and thousands of supporters
Why should the governing body help out a failing business? I'm sure London, Wakefield, Salford et al would have loved a bale out too and they were running on a fraction of the crowds the Bulls were. If anything the RFL should be seriously looking at the licence allocations again. Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and live within your means for a while even if it means dropping down and starting over. It needs sorting before another set of chancers come in and muddy the waters further. Feel sorry for the players and staff if they are only getting told the same BS the fans are being told. It's a mess!
While i feel sorry for a local sl club , i totally agree with hx3 bantam . this cannot go on , the rfl are not to blame for the undoings of the bulls so dont try to blame them for this carry on.
Maybe it is time to bite the bullet and drop down, regroup and start again , at least then they will know,or should know the true state of the club .
Although i am a rival supporter i do wish to see the Bulls go out of business, but i really think this needs sorting out ,as unfortunately they seem to becoming a bit of a liability .
I am sure some serious business man/company in Bradford would come along and take on a good prospect if all this **** was sorted out ,but untill you get a clean break from the tossers you have had to put up with in the past ,then i'm sorry it don't look good .

ALLTHE BEST AND GOOD LUCK FOR 2014 . sorry to say it but your'e gonna need it . COYB
[quote][p][bold]hx3bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]collos25[/bold] wrote: Whoever is to blame only time will tell but what certain is the coffers are now bare.[/p][/quote]Exactly. We desperately need the RFL to step in and help the club out. Otherwise they will lose a famous name and thousands of supporters[/p][/quote]Why should the governing body help out a failing business? I'm sure London, Wakefield, Salford et al would have loved a bale out too and they were running on a fraction of the crowds the Bulls were. If anything the RFL should be seriously looking at the licence allocations again. Maybe it's time to bite the bullet and live within your means for a while even if it means dropping down and starting over. It needs sorting before another set of chancers come in and muddy the waters further. Feel sorry for the players and staff if they are only getting told the same BS the fans are being told. It's a mess![/p][/quote]While i feel sorry for a local sl club , i totally agree with hx3 bantam . this cannot go on , the rfl are not to blame for the undoings of the bulls so dont try to blame them for this carry on. Maybe it is time to bite the bullet and drop down, regroup and start again , at least then they will know,or should know the true state of the club . Although i am a rival supporter i do wish to see the Bulls go out of business, but i really think this needs sorting out ,as unfortunately they seem to becoming a bit of a liability . I am sure some serious business man/company in Bradford would come along and take on a good prospect if all this **** was sorted out ,but untill you get a clean break from the tossers you have had to put up with in the past ,then i'm sorry it don't look good . ALLTHE BEST AND GOOD LUCK FOR 2014 . sorry to say it but your'e gonna need it . COYB Rhinoman

11:50pm Tue 24 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Pablo wrote:
tyker7745 wrote:
The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions.

It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money
If that's the case, somebody is going to answer for this bigtime!

If true, who on earth sanctioned it? What a can of worms this lot is!
The council knew noting of this loan and you may recall Councillor J Sunderland reporting the matter to Grant Shapps.

I suspect it was done as an oldpals act.
The players all NEW LABOUR.
I would guess hat councillor Andrew Thornton knew of it (season ticket holder BULLS)
Gerry Sutcliffe obviously.
Khan big NEW LABOUR man.
Andrew Greenwood MBE former leader of Bradford Council and quickly appointed to the BULLS board(when he lost his £50 grand a year job as leader.

AND ARE WE TO BELIEVE THE COUNCIL AND DAVID GREEN WERE SO STUPID AS TO LEND IT TO A BRAND NEW COMPANY WHO COULD NOT EVEN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THE ASSETS OF BRADFORD BULLS LIMITED OTHER THAN BY £25000 a MONTH INSTALMENT ARRANGEMENT.
BUT THEN SUDDENLY LIKE SOME MAGIGIAN WITH A HAT AND WHITE RABBIT TELLS THE PRESS HES RELEASING A MILLION IN AUGUST FROM HIS PROPERTY PORTFOLIO IN AUGUSTB THIS YEAR>AFTER NOT PAYING ANYONE FOR MONTHS

WHAT IDIOTS BRADFORD COUNCIL
OK HAD PERSONAL ASSETS ON WHICH THIS LOAN OULD HAVE BEEN GUARANTEED BUT YOU CHOSE THE OLD PALS ACT WAY>

WHILST THOUSANDS LOSE THEIR JOBS WITH BRADFORD COUNCIL AND SERVICES ARE CUT TO THE BONE>

MADNESS ROLL ON AY ELECTIONS

TOO LATE FOR THE BULS NOW THOUGH
What can we expect from NEW LABOUR.

And I say that as someone with the Labour Party and movement firmly entrenched in my historical support.For a fair egalitarian society.

Not one for you one for me oops oh dear the moneys all gone.

IDIOTS THE WHOLE **** LOT.

SUTCLIFF I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR STEERING THE CLUB THIS FOOLS WAY USING YOUR POITICAL INFLUENCE TO UPSTAGE ANOTHERS BID THAT WAS BASED ON REALISTIC BUDGETS>

WELL YOU AN ALL SCRATCH EACH OTHERS BACKS NOW>AND I SHOULD IMAGINE THEY WILL BE SWEATY AND VERY ITCHY>FOR SOME TIME

IF I WERE YOU GERRY I WOULD RESIGN NOW.

INDEED IN GODS NAME ................GO>
WHY DONT YOU WASTE MORE MONEY ON ANOTHER 6 MAN TRIP TO Qatar TO OGGLE AT a £10000 million Sports Village (when you had not enough to put a reclaimed Anderson shelter on the Western Terrace)

Dreamer.
The whole dam lot of them
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: The loan from Bradford council appears now to be to OK Bulls Ltd without any personal guarantees . Now the council should come clean about the loan and it's terms an conditions. It appears that a cash strapped council is on the verge of losing tax payers' money[/p][/quote]If that's the case, somebody is going to answer for this bigtime! If true, who on earth sanctioned it? What a can of worms this lot is![/p][/quote]The council knew noting of this loan and you may recall Councillor J Sunderland reporting the matter to Grant Shapps. I suspect it was done as an oldpals act. The players all NEW LABOUR. I would guess hat councillor Andrew Thornton knew of it (season ticket holder BULLS) Gerry Sutcliffe obviously. Khan big NEW LABOUR man. Andrew Greenwood MBE former leader of Bradford Council and quickly appointed to the BULLS board(when he lost his £50 grand a year job as leader. AND ARE WE TO BELIEVE THE COUNCIL AND DAVID GREEN WERE SO STUPID AS TO LEND IT TO A BRAND NEW COMPANY WHO COULD NOT EVEN AFFORD TO PAY FOR THE ASSETS OF BRADFORD BULLS LIMITED OTHER THAN BY £25000 a MONTH INSTALMENT ARRANGEMENT. BUT THEN SUDDENLY LIKE SOME MAGIGIAN WITH A HAT AND WHITE RABBIT TELLS THE PRESS HES RELEASING A MILLION IN AUGUST FROM HIS PROPERTY PORTFOLIO IN AUGUSTB THIS YEAR>AFTER NOT PAYING ANYONE FOR MONTHS WHAT IDIOTS BRADFORD COUNCIL OK HAD PERSONAL ASSETS ON WHICH THIS LOAN OULD HAVE BEEN GUARANTEED BUT YOU CHOSE THE OLD PALS ACT WAY> WHILST THOUSANDS LOSE THEIR JOBS WITH BRADFORD COUNCIL AND SERVICES ARE CUT TO THE BONE> MADNESS ROLL ON AY ELECTIONS TOO LATE FOR THE BULS NOW THOUGH What can we expect from NEW LABOUR. And I say that as someone with the Labour Party and movement firmly entrenched in my historical support.For a fair egalitarian society. Not one for you one for me oops oh dear the moneys all gone. IDIOTS THE WHOLE **** LOT. SUTCLIFF I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU FOR STEERING THE CLUB THIS FOOLS WAY USING YOUR POITICAL INFLUENCE TO UPSTAGE ANOTHERS BID THAT WAS BASED ON REALISTIC BUDGETS> WELL YOU AN ALL SCRATCH EACH OTHERS BACKS NOW>AND I SHOULD IMAGINE THEY WILL BE SWEATY AND VERY ITCHY>FOR SOME TIME IF I WERE YOU GERRY I WOULD RESIGN NOW. INDEED IN GODS NAME ................GO> WHY DONT YOU WASTE MORE MONEY ON ANOTHER 6 MAN TRIP TO Qatar TO OGGLE AT a £10000 million Sports Village (when you had not enough to put a reclaimed Anderson shelter on the Western Terrace) Dreamer. The whole dam lot of them Ahrmen Aleg

12:13am Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

queenyfan wrote:
August 65.
I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference).
In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy.
But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls.
No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!!
City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
And please don't forget the £5.5 million given by the Council in 2002 toallow the Bulls to return to Odsal and sped £2.7 billion of it n the CORAL stand.

A hospitality stand that Omar Khan has sold the bar operating rights and that money s now gone.
Bet these three had fun doing due diligence without any proper written up books and a question of open the drawers and discover what unpaid mess is hidden.

Well done history man failed businessman Whitcut.(multiple times)

Well done OK and Sutcliffe.
You could not manage your way out of a bag of Seabrook Crisps.

THE END IS NIGH>

REMEMBER CALLING ME ARMAEDDON RAISEMEUP.
LOOKS LIKE WE WERE BOTH RIGHT.
[quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.[/p][/quote]And please don't forget the £5.5 million given by the Council in 2002 toallow the Bulls to return to Odsal and sped £2.7 billion of it n the CORAL stand. A hospitality stand that Omar Khan has sold the bar operating rights and that money s now gone. Bet these three had fun doing due diligence without any proper written up books and a question of open the drawers and discover what unpaid mess is hidden. Well done history man failed businessman Whitcut.(multiple times) Well done OK and Sutcliffe. You could not manage your way out of a bag of Seabrook Crisps. THE END IS NIGH> REMEMBER CALLING ME ARMAEDDON RAISEMEUP. LOOKS LIKE WE WERE BOTH RIGHT. Ahrmen Aleg

12:29am Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency
But it will not.

The Insolvency Service just dip their toe in
Post 2008 they are swamped.

You are right though.

White Collar crime.
At its worst.

Legalised theft

The Bull have traded insolvently for an years.
They have never been able to pay their debt as it fell due

Hood the only one interviewed.Tepid investigation.

Complain to the Insolvency Service and the will say they have not got the resources.
So people like Whitcut just keep getting away with it

And his best mate (or was)Khan
Good New Labour thinking.
Ten years ago Blair was trying to get onto the property ladder.
Just look at the greed he has accumulated now.All his sons live in million pound pads.And he has about 5 houses.Good old working class labour values.Methinks not
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency[/p][/quote]But it will not. The Insolvency Service just dip their toe in Post 2008 they are swamped. You are right though. White Collar crime. At its worst. Legalised theft The Bull have traded insolvently for an years. They have never been able to pay their debt as it fell due Hood the only one interviewed.Tepid investigation. Complain to the Insolvency Service and the will say they have not got the resources. So people like Whitcut just keep getting away with it And his best mate (or was)Khan Good New Labour thinking. Ten years ago Blair was trying to get onto the property ladder. Just look at the greed he has accumulated now.All his sons live in million pound pads.And he has about 5 houses.Good old working class labour values.Methinks not Ahrmen Aleg

12:36am Wed 25 Dec 13

portugalbull says...

Not one comment on the supposed people the RFL have ready to take over, or is that a figment of someones imagination. If true I hope they know what their getting themselves into. If not we need sugar daddy.(Euro million win would be nice.)

To the 3 directors, thanks for trying to sort out the mess.

To O K. how can you run the club into the ground and expect to be paid for shares when they are worthless from your own actions. The best deal you could do is for someone to help you out with some of the debts you have run up in return for handing over the shares.

To the supporters, hope is eternal. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year
COYB's
Not one comment on the supposed people the RFL have ready to take over, or is that a figment of someones imagination. If true I hope they know what their getting themselves into. If not we need sugar daddy.(Euro million win would be nice.) To the 3 directors, thanks for trying to sort out the mess. To O K. how can you run the club into the ground and expect to be paid for shares when they are worthless from your own actions. The best deal you could do is for someone to help you out with some of the debts you have run up in return for handing over the shares. To the supporters, hope is eternal. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year COYB's portugalbull

1:15am Wed 25 Dec 13

theoutsider says...

Can still be a Merry Christmas & Happy 2014 @ "Bleak House" sorry Odsal if smebody up there gets their act in gear and picks the phone up tand starts o Tony Mole and starts talking Speedway & Stock Cars. Wheres Robbie ' the Hunter Paul in all this shambles?
Can still be a Merry Christmas & Happy 2014 @ "Bleak House" sorry Odsal if smebody up there gets their act in gear and picks the phone up tand starts o Tony Mole and starts talking Speedway & Stock Cars. Wheres Robbie ' the Hunter Paul in all this shambles? theoutsider

1:40am Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

CALLING ALL BULLS FANS>

IF OMAR KHAN COMES PLEADING FOR YOUR CASH KEEP IT IN YOUR WALLET>
PROPER BUSINESSMEN WILL PICKUP THE PIECES>

AND START AGAIN>

AT THE BOTTOM>
WITH A FAN SHARE ISSUE>
WHERE IT LL BE RUN ON THE BASIS OF INCOME EQUALLING EXPENDITURE

WITH NO £100000 LOSSES ON POP CONCERTS TO SEE HAS BEENS>
WHICH OK MUST BE FEELING RIGHT NOW.

I THINK HE MUST HAVE BEEN POORLY WHEN HE BOUGHT HE BULLS
PERHAPS MATHS WAS NEVER HIS STRONG POINT.
YOU DID NOT NEED AN ACCOUTANCY QUALIIFICATION TO SEE DEBT OF £!.2 MILLION (100000 A MONTH)BUILDING UP>

KHAN COULD NOT WAIT FOR DUE DILLIGENCE O BE COMPLETE BEFORE RESGNING>
HE KNEW THE WORST THREE MONTHS AGO>
I DO NOT KNOW HOW MODERN DIRECTORS HAVE THE CHEEK TO SAY I LEFT MONEY IN THE BANK>

WE COULD ALL DO THAT AND LEAVE A DRAWER FULL OF UNPAID DEBT>NOT DISCLOSED>

Jay Willey was right.
And all the other "TRAITORS".

Have a god Christmas KOP.At least YOUR kids will be happy this morning.

I wish on Khan and Sutcliffe.......PERD
TION.

LOOK WHAT A LOVELY CHRISTMAS YOU HAVE GIVEN ALL THE BULLS EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES>WHIST YOU SEEK YOUR TWENTY PIECES OF SQUANDERED SILVER>IN ALL PROBABILITY GAINED AT OTHERS EXPENSE

IN GODS NAME GO

AS FAR AWAY FROM BRADFORD AS POSSIBLE>

LETS ALL SEND THE CLOWN A RED NOSE FOR CHRISTMAS
CALLING ALL BULLS FANS> IF OMAR KHAN COMES PLEADING FOR YOUR CASH KEEP IT IN YOUR WALLET> PROPER BUSINESSMEN WILL PICKUP THE PIECES> AND START AGAIN> AT THE BOTTOM> WITH A FAN SHARE ISSUE> WHERE IT LL BE RUN ON THE BASIS OF INCOME EQUALLING EXPENDITURE WITH NO £100000 LOSSES ON POP CONCERTS TO SEE HAS BEENS> WHICH OK MUST BE FEELING RIGHT NOW. I THINK HE MUST HAVE BEEN POORLY WHEN HE BOUGHT HE BULLS PERHAPS MATHS WAS NEVER HIS STRONG POINT. YOU DID NOT NEED AN ACCOUTANCY QUALIIFICATION TO SEE DEBT OF £!.2 MILLION (100000 A MONTH)BUILDING UP> KHAN COULD NOT WAIT FOR DUE DILLIGENCE O BE COMPLETE BEFORE RESGNING> HE KNEW THE WORST THREE MONTHS AGO> I DO NOT KNOW HOW MODERN DIRECTORS HAVE THE CHEEK TO SAY I LEFT MONEY IN THE BANK> WE COULD ALL DO THAT AND LEAVE A DRAWER FULL OF UNPAID DEBT>NOT DISCLOSED> Jay Willey was right. And all the other "TRAITORS". Have a god Christmas KOP.At least YOUR kids will be happy this morning. I wish on Khan and Sutcliffe.......PERD TION. LOOK WHAT A LOVELY CHRISTMAS YOU HAVE GIVEN ALL THE BULLS EMPLOYEES AND THEIR FAMILIES>WHIST YOU SEEK YOUR TWENTY PIECES OF SQUANDERED SILVER>IN ALL PROBABILITY GAINED AT OTHERS EXPENSE IN GODS NAME GO AS FAR AWAY FROM BRADFORD AS POSSIBLE> LETS ALL SEND THE CLOWN A RED NOSE FOR CHRISTMAS Ahrmen Aleg

3:55am Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Is Omar Khan a FIT and PROPER person to take up the running.

£1.2 million debt in 12 months.....wow.

Thought the RFL were checking the books regularly?

Bit late now
Is Omar Khan a FIT and PROPER person to take up the running. £1.2 million debt in 12 months.....wow. Thought the RFL were checking the books regularly? Bit late now Ahrmen Aleg

5:50am Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Breaking News

OMAR KHAN WAS TODAY SPOTTED SNEAKING IN TO ODSAL STADIUM DRESSED AS LITLE RED RIDING HOOD WITH A FALSE BEARD>
AFTER SECURING ACCESS TO THE CLUB SHOP HE SPENT TEN MINUTES UNPICKING ALL HE BELONG BADGES FROM THE REMAINING STOCK OF 2014 SHIRTS TO REVEAL THAT ALL IS REALLY OK.
Unfortuneately the supplier of the kit had inserted a retention of title clause and and only agreed to supply the kit on the basis that the new directors underwrote the debt .

So its OK back on the shirt and this belong rubbish can OK off.

Another 1.2 million to wrack up boys.

Just another 365 shopping days to go

And Sutcliffes upset that his mates not going to get OUR money back.

This is not really funny now.
IS IT MR SUTCLIFFE.
Breaking News OMAR KHAN WAS TODAY SPOTTED SNEAKING IN TO ODSAL STADIUM DRESSED AS LITLE RED RIDING HOOD WITH A FALSE BEARD> AFTER SECURING ACCESS TO THE CLUB SHOP HE SPENT TEN MINUTES UNPICKING ALL HE BELONG BADGES FROM THE REMAINING STOCK OF 2014 SHIRTS TO REVEAL THAT ALL IS REALLY OK. Unfortuneately the supplier of the kit had inserted a retention of title clause and and only agreed to supply the kit on the basis that the new directors underwrote the debt . So its OK back on the shirt and this belong rubbish can OK off. Another 1.2 million to wrack up boys. Just another 365 shopping days to go And Sutcliffes upset that his mates not going to get OUR money back. This is not really funny now. IS IT MR SUTCLIFFE. Ahrmen Aleg

8:29am Wed 25 Dec 13

bullsone03 says...

This will now leave players and staff wondering over Christmas what's going on absolute disgrace
This will now leave players and staff wondering over Christmas what's going on absolute disgrace bullsone03

8:35am Wed 25 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Now is the time for a supporters trust,( which we have already in Bullbuider), to become involved with many Bradford Business's who have enjoyed the success and respect the City of Bradford enjoyed with both sporting clubs, but have hitherto kept quiet?

As Simon said Trevor believed that "Hope" was something you never gave up on.
We can not believe our club can be run for profit any more, the model displayed by Warrington seems to be the only way forward. ie A substantial benefactor and a good Supporters trust?
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Now is the time for a supporters trust,( which we have already in Bullbuider), to become involved with many Bradford Business's who have enjoyed the success and respect the City of Bradford enjoyed with both sporting clubs, but have hitherto kept quiet? As Simon said Trevor believed that "Hope" was something you never gave up on. We can not believe our club can be run for profit any more, the model displayed by Warrington seems to be the only way forward. ie A substantial benefactor and a good Supporters trust? raisemeup

8:41am Wed 25 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

Pablo wrote:
Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Your dad was a colossus, Simon. How we could do with a man of matching integrity and standing today?

Trevor was the catalyst in the rebirth of the old Bradford Northern. How I wish he was around now to sort out this sorry mess.
He is. His spirit has never left our club, look at what happened when they called for pledges to keep us going, nearly £500K, from supporters who absolutely refused to give in!
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Your dad was a colossus, Simon. How we could do with a man of matching integrity and standing today? Trevor was the catalyst in the rebirth of the old Bradford Northern. How I wish he was around now to sort out this sorry mess.[/p][/quote]He is. His spirit has never left our club, look at what happened when they called for pledges to keep us going, nearly £500K, from supporters who absolutely refused to give in! raisemeup

8:47am Wed 25 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

linebacker2 wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote:
queenyfan wrote:
August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.
And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?
City attendances are up around 30-40% since promotion so most supporters were there last season.

On your main point, 99% of city fans aren't gloating over your predicament and Bulls/Northern are welcome to play at Valley Parade.
Thank you, your support is what true community action is about.
[quote][p][bold]linebacker2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]queenyfan[/bold] wrote: August 65. I dont think City fans are "gloating" and are fully aware of where we are in the league, and where we have been, and where we might have ended up (Conference). In fact there are lots of City fans who support both clubs, and we City fans certainly know when their club is in jeopardy. But you can understand a lot of City fans being biiter that the Council have in the past helped the Bulls, and refused to help City. They said that they were unable to offer financial assistance to City as they were `a private businees to whom they could not give tax payers money` but found a way round it last year to give a £200k loan to the Bulls. No doubt you were a Bulls fans who congratulated City on their success last season!!! City are on the up, whilst the Bulls will be lucky to survive this crisis.[/p][/quote]And congratulated city long before last season where most of your presnt support arises from, and great for City,you seem to be happy to see the Bulls in their present plight simply because the council chose to help them out in the past,and don't include £200,000 that was a loan to either OK or his company,surely no one would wish the present situation on 5,000 hard core supporters of any sports club or would they?[/p][/quote]City attendances are up around 30-40% since promotion so most supporters were there last season. On your main point, 99% of city fans aren't gloating over your predicament and Bulls/Northern are welcome to play at Valley Parade.[/p][/quote]Thank you, your support is what true community action is about. raisemeup

11:07am Wed 25 Dec 13

johntheumpire says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Well said! johntheumpire

11:07am Wed 25 Dec 13

johntheumpire says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Well said!
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Well said! johntheumpire

11:26am Wed 25 Dec 13

shipleybob says...

Quick simple answer.. leave Odsal go down to VP.Slash the wage bill.Bring in good local talent.Rename as Badford Northern. Start again from nothing.Clean start no dodgy links to the past.And live with in our means.Yes we might get beat every game for the first few seasons.But so what.It would be are club with local players.Playing for local pride or a dream move to a big club.But not paying for the money.

New name .new ground .new start.
Quick simple answer.. leave Odsal go down to VP.Slash the wage bill.Bring in good local talent.Rename as Badford Northern. Start again from nothing.Clean start no dodgy links to the past.And live with in our means.Yes we might get beat every game for the first few seasons.But so what.It would be are club with local players.Playing for local pride or a dream move to a big club.But not paying for the money. New name .new ground .new start. shipleybob

11:28am Wed 25 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

No one is going to touch our club now.

the only way we can survive in any form now is to go into admin, be wound up and hope there is someone willing to take the gamble on what comes out the other side. I doubt that we will be a SL side for much longer but is that really a bad thing as lets be honest our true attendance figures (not the Whitcut released ones) were really poor.

OK and GS have not got any money to fund this.

My thoughts are with our players and staff over their immediate future.

Fans that were foolish enough to waste their money on season tickets because they wanted to #Belong but #believed the BS that was coming from the board have had their pants pulled down again as no new owner will be in a position to honour those.

MM can plead his innocence to the state of the club when he took over but I know of several people that tried to warn him of what he was getting involved in but he could not get passed the promise of Mark Mark give us a wave.

Lets hope that 2014 will bering a bit of hope for our long suffering Club because we desperately need it.
No one is going to touch our club now. the only way we can survive in any form now is to go into admin, be wound up and hope there is someone willing to take the gamble on what comes out the other side. I doubt that we will be a SL side for much longer but is that really a bad thing as lets be honest our true attendance figures (not the Whitcut released ones) were really poor. OK and GS have not got any money to fund this. My thoughts are with our players and staff over their immediate future. Fans that were foolish enough to waste their money on season tickets because they wanted to #Belong but #believed the BS that was coming from the board have had their pants pulled down again as no new owner will be in a position to honour those. MM can plead his innocence to the state of the club when he took over but I know of several people that tried to warn him of what he was getting involved in but he could not get passed the promise of Mark Mark give us a wave. Lets hope that 2014 will bering a bit of hope for our long suffering Club because we desperately need it. fedupwiththeBS

3:09pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Odsal_Bantam says...

Odsal Bantam

Northern have been run badly ever since the Caisley days. What noi one seems to be able to see is that Odsal is NEVER again going to be a ground fit for purpose. Mismanagement by the council and the club have seen to that and without an enormous injection of cash from a (non-existant) benefactor the ground must be consigned to history.

The only way the club can avoid the same fate is by moving to Valley Parade. No more cr@p about Manningham being a bad area or almost inaccessible from South Bradford. I have no trouble getting to Valley parade by car or bus, indeed I can be home for 5 p.m. some Saturdays having seen the final whistle blown. Also many of Northerns fans actually live to the North of Bradford city centre.

Having ludicrously given away the clubs only asset (the land - to the RFL) there is nothing left to bargain with. It's time to bite the bullet, admit to all the **** ups and start afresh in a stadium with modern facilities and most importantly one where an atmosphere can be created.
Odsal Bantam Northern have been run badly ever since the Caisley days. What noi one seems to be able to see is that Odsal is NEVER again going to be a ground fit for purpose. Mismanagement by the council and the club have seen to that and without an enormous injection of cash from a (non-existant) benefactor the ground must be consigned to history. The only way the club can avoid the same fate is by moving to Valley Parade. No more cr@p about Manningham being a bad area or almost inaccessible from South Bradford. I have no trouble getting to Valley parade by car or bus, indeed I can be home for 5 p.m. some Saturdays having seen the final whistle blown. Also many of Northerns fans actually live to the North of Bradford city centre. Having ludicrously given away the clubs only asset (the land - to the RFL) there is nothing left to bargain with. It's time to bite the bullet, admit to all the **** ups and start afresh in a stadium with modern facilities and most importantly one where an atmosphere can be created. Odsal_Bantam

6:13pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Big_Biscuit says...

Can't believe what I have read. Finish it and start again. The only way forward.
Can't believe what I have read. Finish it and start again. The only way forward. Big_Biscuit

7:28pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Stevie-C says...

Mike Strutter wrote:
Stevie-C wrote:
Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency
Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement.

Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas.

The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting.

At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge
I may be wrong on this mike, but i am certain i read one of these 3 had been a director at 11 or 12 previous companies that were all now insolvent. If true, then he should be one of the first people they need to be investigating, regardless of the short time he has been involved with the bulls
[quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency[/p][/quote]Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement. Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas. The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting. At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge[/p][/quote]I may be wrong on this mike, but i am certain i read one of these 3 had been a director at 11 or 12 previous companies that were all now insolvent. If true, then he should be one of the first people they need to be investigating, regardless of the short time he has been involved with the bulls Stevie-C

8:04pm Wed 25 Dec 13

AUGUST1964 says...

Stevie-C wrote:
Mike Strutter wrote:
Stevie-C wrote: Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency
Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement. Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas. The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting. At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge
I may be wrong on this mike, but i am certain i read one of these 3 had been a director at 11 or 12 previous companies that were all now insolvent. If true, then he should be one of the first people they need to be investigating, regardless of the short time he has been involved with the bulls
Could be wrong!!
[quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mike Strutter[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Stevie-C[/bold] wrote: Make no mistake.....as much as EVERYONE INVOLVED lies about how much they are in debt, you can put your life savings on the fact that each of these crooks are living in a nice posh house in the countryside, driving a lovely car, and having a very very nice christmas, all courtesy of their ill-gotten gains. There needs to be a full investigation into where all the money has gone for the past few years, and all those found guilty should be spared no leniency[/p][/quote]Not sure you should count the recent three in that statement. Bet you didn't see Khan or Sutcliffe mucking in behind the scenes as much as these fellas. The club was in safer hands with these three but now it's back to Khan and his sidekick and it's going to get interesting. At least Gerry can get back to schmoozing in the directors lounge[/p][/quote]I may be wrong on this mike, but i am certain i read one of these 3 had been a director at 11 or 12 previous companies that were all now insolvent. If true, then he should be one of the first people they need to be investigating, regardless of the short time he has been involved with the bulls[/p][/quote]Could be wrong!! AUGUST1964

8:26pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

So OK wants his money back whatever he has put in.

That is certainly £250000 to buy the assets of Bradford Bulls Limted.
Which comprised a Coral Stand and a lot of players on extended contracts to 2012 season.

Plus any other loans money put in to cover losses/wages/expense creditors.

Unless I am mistaken if those current liabilities in the form of directors loans allegedly owed to Omar Khan are repaid to him when the company is insolvent if that company then fails (and there are allegedly 5000 season ticket holders who have parted with perhaps a million in advance)then that repayment could and should e classed as a fraudulent preference.

Right now OK there are (allegedly)5000 season ticket holders whose stake in OK BULLS LIMITED is worthless.

A company with no directors cannot operate or if it is it is operating unlawfully.
Ok must appoint himself quick or the company needs to appoint administraters however unpalatable that is.

When the last episode of this nature came about there was much talk that CC and others sized control as majority shareholder that they then took back with the fans money loans historically given.

Directors always try ensure they personally never lose out for their small amounts they put in.
But take out all they can.
Great advertising for Omar Khans restaurants eh for 12 months.
Perhaps not such a great advert now.

Right now I can see only liquidation.
Noone with substance was interested last year.

The Sugar Daddy does not exist.
So here we have 5000 season ticket holder who have paid and some are about due to pay.
Now the 3 man board has gone whats the odds of anyone giving OK the final payments for their season tickets.When he wants out has nothing left and sounds pretty ill and desperate.

Well I would not trust him at all right now with a fiver to go to the coop for my granny.Shes dead so I can spare him.

So the club owes 5000 season ticketholders if it goes pop.
And it owes £1.2 million.
Wonder how much of next years season ticket money is left

I see no way that there is escape from this without been unfair to other clubs

Who run the ship without defrauding creditors and fans and staff.

This time last year I asked fans to think of the £2 million of creditors.
Who may have been struggling to put food on the Christmas table after the Hood regimne collapse.

Few posters cared.
"Were in the money" taunted Viking.
12 months on its turned full circle.
5000 fans will have to fight for the money they have invested for season tickets.
And there are £1.2 million debts aswell.

My advice to the fans.

1.Convert your season ticket purchase to shares that will rid you of OK.
That Is if it has been ring fenced and not spent.

2.As owners ask the RFL for a parachute goodwill payment to Championship

3.Get rid of the contracts that clearly cannot be afforded.With RFL help.
Appoint a management committee of Bullbuilder staff with the very knowledgeable and charming Adey a key player.

3.Play and develop these kids who the Bullbulider keep finding only to lose through this recurring shambles.Kop Whitehead Bateman.Burgess Not traitors young men with kids to feed and Christmas presents to buy.Add key seniors like Mumby and Noble had Jimmy Thompson

4.Ground share with BCFC or BPA if those clubs are willing.The Odsal stadium is too expensive and there is little atmosphere with 4 or 5 thousand.The running and repair costs are collosal.Vacating may be part of the deal with the RFL so they can recover their million (and rising) spent on Westfield Hole number 2.Theirs has cost £80 million allegedly.

5.Dig deep to find the money for a championship season ticket.Safe in the knowledge the commiitees brief will be the Mr Micawber way.Income must at least cover expenditure.No gambling.Steady progress.As Bradford Park Avenue engage.A sustainable model.

THE DREAM IS OVER.

TACKLING A WORSENING NIGHTMARE SHOULD NOW BE THE AIM OF EVERY BULLS FAN.

I KNOW THERE ARE 5000 OF YOU OUT THERE WHO WILL NEVER DESERT.NOW IS THE TIME FOR THAT 5000 TO RID THE ASYLUM OF THE IMPOSTERS
So OK wants his money back whatever he has put in. That is certainly £250000 to buy the assets of Bradford Bulls Limted. Which comprised a Coral Stand and a lot of players on extended contracts to 2012 season. Plus any other loans money put in to cover losses/wages/expense creditors. Unless I am mistaken if those current liabilities in the form of directors loans allegedly owed to Omar Khan are repaid to him when the company is insolvent if that company then fails (and there are allegedly 5000 season ticket holders who have parted with perhaps a million in advance)then that repayment could and should e classed as a fraudulent preference. Right now OK there are (allegedly)5000 season ticket holders whose stake in OK BULLS LIMITED is worthless. A company with no directors cannot operate or if it is it is operating unlawfully. Ok must appoint himself quick or the company needs to appoint administraters however unpalatable that is. When the last episode of this nature came about there was much talk that CC and others sized control as majority shareholder that they then took back with the fans money loans historically given. Directors always try ensure they personally never lose out for their small amounts they put in. But take out all they can. Great advertising for Omar Khans restaurants eh for 12 months. Perhaps not such a great advert now. Right now I can see only liquidation. Noone with substance was interested last year. The Sugar Daddy does not exist. So here we have 5000 season ticket holder who have paid and some are about due to pay. Now the 3 man board has gone whats the odds of anyone giving OK the final payments for their season tickets.When he wants out has nothing left and sounds pretty ill and desperate. Well I would not trust him at all right now with a fiver to go to the coop for my granny.Shes dead so I can spare him. So the club owes 5000 season ticketholders if it goes pop. And it owes £1.2 million. Wonder how much of next years season ticket money is left I see no way that there is escape from this without been unfair to other clubs Who run the ship without defrauding creditors and fans and staff. This time last year I asked fans to think of the £2 million of creditors. Who may have been struggling to put food on the Christmas table after the Hood regimne collapse. Few posters cared. "Were in the money" taunted Viking. 12 months on its turned full circle. 5000 fans will have to fight for the money they have invested for season tickets. And there are £1.2 million debts aswell. My advice to the fans. 1.Convert your season ticket purchase to shares that will rid you of OK. That Is if it has been ring fenced and not spent. 2.As owners ask the RFL for a parachute goodwill payment to Championship 3.Get rid of the contracts that clearly cannot be afforded.With RFL help. Appoint a management committee of Bullbuilder staff with the very knowledgeable and charming Adey a key player. 3.Play and develop these kids who the Bullbulider keep finding only to lose through this recurring shambles.Kop Whitehead Bateman.Burgess Not traitors young men with kids to feed and Christmas presents to buy.Add key seniors like Mumby and Noble had Jimmy Thompson 4.Ground share with BCFC or BPA if those clubs are willing.The Odsal stadium is too expensive and there is little atmosphere with 4 or 5 thousand.The running and repair costs are collosal.Vacating may be part of the deal with the RFL so they can recover their million (and rising) spent on Westfield Hole number 2.Theirs has cost £80 million allegedly. 5.Dig deep to find the money for a championship season ticket.Safe in the knowledge the commiitees brief will be the Mr Micawber way.Income must at least cover expenditure.No gambling.Steady progress.As Bradford Park Avenue engage.A sustainable model. THE DREAM IS OVER. TACKLING A WORSENING NIGHTMARE SHOULD NOW BE THE AIM OF EVERY BULLS FAN. I KNOW THERE ARE 5000 OF YOU OUT THERE WHO WILL NEVER DESERT.NOW IS THE TIME FOR THAT 5000 TO RID THE ASYLUM OF THE IMPOSTERS Ahrmen Aleg

8:32pm Wed 25 Dec 13

bcfc1903 says...

Haven't heard any BCFC fans gloating, why would they, you're Bradford Bulls and along with the vast majority of BCFC fans we want the Bulls to get back to the top of RL where they belong. Just hope you can survive, even if that means dropping into the Championship for a season, and with Bradford Bulls being one of the biggest RL clubs in the UK with a fantastic history of winning silverware... . Hopefully the Bradford Bulls will continue to play in Super League. Whatever happens, the Bulls support will always be there. Good luck and keep fighting!!!!!
Haven't heard any BCFC fans gloating, why would they, you're Bradford Bulls and along with the vast majority of BCFC fans we want the Bulls to get back to the top of RL where they belong. Just hope you can survive, even if that means dropping into the Championship for a season, and with Bradford Bulls being one of the biggest RL clubs in the UK with a fantastic history of winning silverware... . Hopefully the Bradford Bulls will continue to play in Super League. Whatever happens, the Bulls support will always be there. Good luck and keep fighting!!!!! bcfc1903

10:32pm Wed 25 Dec 13

joewoollard says...

christinetowell456@b
tinternet.com
wrote:
big bad bas writes have you ever thought Bradford council may have loaned the money in order to get their hands on the ground for future council houses?
The ground belongs to the RFL so loaning the money to the Bulls is just unsecured money down the drain.
[quote][p][bold]christinetowell456@b tinternet.com[/bold] wrote: big bad bas writes have you ever thought Bradford council may have loaned the money in order to get their hands on the ground for future council houses?[/p][/quote]The ground belongs to the RFL so loaning the money to the Bulls is just unsecured money down the drain. joewoollard

11:51pm Wed 25 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Simon as a young boy back in 1970 I lived fairly near your dad (and I guess you)and have very happy memories of his guidance and encouragement at the Bradford police Boys Club in Walker Drive.

Noone will ever utter a bad word about your dad whose fighting qualities are precisely what are required right now.

I remember him with affection.
As I feel sure would everyone who attended the youth club at the Police Boys Club.
There will be a way out of this.
But it will be last chance saloon time.
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Simon as a young boy back in 1970 I lived fairly near your dad (and I guess you)and have very happy memories of his guidance and encouragement at the Bradford police Boys Club in Walker Drive. Noone will ever utter a bad word about your dad whose fighting qualities are precisely what are required right now. I remember him with affection. As I feel sure would everyone who attended the youth club at the Police Boys Club. There will be a way out of this. But it will be last chance saloon time. Ahrmen Aleg

12:19am Thu 26 Dec 13

tomlodge14@hotmail.com says...

The whole thing has been a disgrace nobody knows what the he'll is happening it is ridiculous
The whole thing has been a disgrace nobody knows what the he'll is happening it is ridiculous tomlodge14@hotmail.com

1:04am Thu 26 Dec 13

handoff says...

Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Sad day for all of us Simon. I'm of the opinion that the current board could have made it work were it not for the timebombs left by Whitcut and Khan. Posterity will see them for what they are are, and hopefully the fraud office.

As I have stated before, fan ownership is the model I prefer but I fear we may have to rebuild from the lower leagues. I feel for the players and staff at this time and suspect London may gain from our troubles as players need to earn a living. Best wishes to them.

I am now very uncertain about committing a final payment for a season ticket as administration seems to loom large like the ghost of Christmas future. Dark days indeed for the club, but it will survive in one form or another. I have a ball signed by the players from Hunter Mariners, remember them? It seems that modern business is so full of charlatans and fools, perhaps it was ever thus.

Bullbuilder the way forward methinks.
[quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Sad day for all of us Simon. I'm of the opinion that the current board could have made it work were it not for the timebombs left by Whitcut and Khan. Posterity will see them for what they are are, and hopefully the fraud office. As I have stated before, fan ownership is the model I prefer but I fear we may have to rebuild from the lower leagues. I feel for the players and staff at this time and suspect London may gain from our troubles as players need to earn a living. Best wishes to them. I am now very uncertain about committing a final payment for a season ticket as administration seems to loom large like the ghost of Christmas future. Dark days indeed for the club, but it will survive in one form or another. I have a ball signed by the players from Hunter Mariners, remember them? It seems that modern business is so full of charlatans and fools, perhaps it was ever thus. Bullbuilder the way forward methinks. handoff

2:06am Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

handoff wrote:
Simo13 wrote:
I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls.
The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long.
I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails.
It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope"

I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss.

I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome.

I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls.


Simon Foster
Sad day for all of us Simon. I'm of the opinion that the current board could have made it work were it not for the timebombs left by Whitcut and Khan. Posterity will see them for what they are are, and hopefully the fraud office.

As I have stated before, fan ownership is the model I prefer but I fear we may have to rebuild from the lower leagues. I feel for the players and staff at this time and suspect London may gain from our troubles as players need to earn a living. Best wishes to them.

I am now very uncertain about committing a final payment for a season ticket as administration seems to loom large like the ghost of Christmas future. Dark days indeed for the club, but it will survive in one form or another. I have a ball signed by the players from Hunter Mariners, remember them? It seems that modern business is so full of charlatans and fools, perhaps it was ever thus.

Bullbuilder the way forward methinks.
Agree completely.

But London could with full sky money be a blessing to take the players we cannot afford.

Their home grown kids smashed us next to last game of 2013
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Simo13[/bold] wrote: I am saddened today (as all true supporters will be) to hear of the latest drama at the Bulls. The supporters in particular have been so badly let down for far too long. I fear the current situation is dire unless some common sense and integrity prevails. It is so ironic that fifty years ago, over this very Christmas period my dad the late Trevor Foster MBE was pulling out all the stops in his efforts (with others) to resurrect Bradford Northern from the ashes to a famous return to the RL in 1964. He lived by his mantra "There is always hope" I would like to appeal to all those involved in the recent high level discussions including the RFL to think again, to act more laterally and to save our great club from the abyss. I had every confidence that the three directors who have now stepped down alongside Robbie Hunter-Paul would soon return the club to a more sound financial base and that the shares issue would be satisfactorily resolved. I am shocked at this outcome. I am prepared to get involved in any way at all (other than financially) to support a "fresh" regime and the current CEO to secure a successful future for the Bulls. Simon Foster[/p][/quote]Sad day for all of us Simon. I'm of the opinion that the current board could have made it work were it not for the timebombs left by Whitcut and Khan. Posterity will see them for what they are are, and hopefully the fraud office. As I have stated before, fan ownership is the model I prefer but I fear we may have to rebuild from the lower leagues. I feel for the players and staff at this time and suspect London may gain from our troubles as players need to earn a living. Best wishes to them. I am now very uncertain about committing a final payment for a season ticket as administration seems to loom large like the ghost of Christmas future. Dark days indeed for the club, but it will survive in one form or another. I have a ball signed by the players from Hunter Mariners, remember them? It seems that modern business is so full of charlatans and fools, perhaps it was ever thus. Bullbuilder the way forward methinks.[/p][/quote]Agree completely. But London could with full sky money be a blessing to take the players we cannot afford. Their home grown kids smashed us next to last game of 2013 Ahrmen Aleg

2:16am Thu 26 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Avro wrote:
The begining of the end...
Or Is it the End of the Begining.

God Bless Bradford Northern
[quote][p][bold]Avro[/bold] wrote: The begining of the end...[/p][/quote]Or Is it the End of the Begining. God Bless Bradford Northern Ahrmen Aleg

6:55am Thu 26 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs?

Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now?

Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy.

When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book.

If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower.

I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.
Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs? Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now? Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy. When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book. If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower. I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave. fedupwiththeBS

12:11pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs?

Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now?

Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy.

When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book.

If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower.

I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.
Agree the way ex players were treated by the idiot fans who's vile comments were encouraged by, Yes one Khan and Whitcut, Shame on those who believed the rubbish and lies told by those two and Duffy in the PR at Bulls.
Clear them all OUT!!!!,
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs? Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now? Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy. When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book. If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower. I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.[/p][/quote]Agree the way ex players were treated by the idiot fans who's vile comments were encouraged by, Yes one Khan and Whitcut, Shame on those who believed the rubbish and lies told by those two and Duffy in the PR at Bulls. Clear them all OUT!!!!, Scrouge

12:29pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs?

Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now?

Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy.

When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book.

If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower.

I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.
Agreed the PR department (Duffy). along with Khan and Whitcut had plenty to say about the ex Player who seen what the were about. . All talk,mostly Bu!ll along with the idiot fans who believed Omar NoKhan and Nocash. Start again, liquidation and Khan gets Sweet nothing The lads who got out ,we're the lucky ones.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs? Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now? Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy. When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book. If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower. I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.[/p][/quote]Agreed the PR department (Duffy). along with Khan and Whitcut had plenty to say about the ex Player who seen what the were about. . All talk,mostly Bu!ll along with the idiot fans who believed Omar NoKhan and Nocash. Start again, liquidation and Khan gets Sweet nothing The lads who got out ,we're the lucky ones. Scrouge

4:35pm Thu 26 Dec 13

handoff says...

Scrouge wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs?

Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now?

Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy.

When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book.

If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower.

I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.
Agreed the PR department (Duffy). along with Khan and Whitcut had plenty to say about the ex Player who seen what the were about. . All talk,mostly Bu!ll along with the idiot fans who believed Omar NoKhan and Nocash. Start again, liquidation and Khan gets Sweet nothing The lads who got out ,we're the lucky ones.
Nothing to contribute but abuse and tripe.
[quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs? Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now? Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy. When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book. If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower. I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.[/p][/quote]Agreed the PR department (Duffy). along with Khan and Whitcut had plenty to say about the ex Player who seen what the were about. . All talk,mostly Bu!ll along with the idiot fans who believed Omar NoKhan and Nocash. Start again, liquidation and Khan gets Sweet nothing The lads who got out ,we're the lucky ones.[/p][/quote]Nothing to contribute but abuse and tripe. handoff

5:11pm Thu 26 Dec 13

Scrouge says...

handoff wrote:
Scrouge wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs?

Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now?

Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy.

When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book.

If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower.

I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.
Agreed the PR department (Duffy). along with Khan and Whitcut had plenty to say about the ex Player who seen what the were about. . All talk,mostly Bu!ll along with the idiot fans who believed Omar NoKhan and Nocash. Start again, liquidation and Khan gets Sweet nothing The lads who got out ,we're the lucky ones.
Nothing to contribute but abuse and tripe.
As Jones said in Dads Army ( they don't like it up them) the PR cannot take it !!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Scrouge[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: Where is Hunter-Paul in all of this? tTe man that has lied to the Players, slagged off the Clubs owner and has brought nothing to the table to justify his massive wage that could have and should have been better spent on player's needs? Fans ownership will not work for Bulls as as this site has shown and the treatment that our ex players have received; many of our number or regarded as some of the most vile in the game. How justified are Koppy, Whitehead and Bateman feeling now? Other potential investors came and did their due diligence and left and all received the same online hate campaign which I am sure was instigated by Shortcut and Duffy. When are we going to get a proper statement from OK and GS about the future of the club; as he has always been the owner then he is responsible for them trading whilst insolvent and must be brought to book. If fear we are heading for the Championship but if these clowns stay at the helm we will sink even lower. I fear there it is going to get a lot worse in the next few days; rumours of wind up orders and a players getting ready to leave.[/p][/quote]Agreed the PR department (Duffy). along with Khan and Whitcut had plenty to say about the ex Player who seen what the were about. . All talk,mostly Bu!ll along with the idiot fans who believed Omar NoKhan and Nocash. Start again, liquidation and Khan gets Sweet nothing The lads who got out ,we're the lucky ones.[/p][/quote]Nothing to contribute but abuse and tripe.[/p][/quote]As Jones said in Dads Army ( they don't like it up them) the PR cannot take it !!!!!! Scrouge

12:16pm Fri 27 Dec 13

northern pig says...

The players will become free agents as the club will not be able to honour their conracts (pay them)The hole in the ground which is not fit purpose as venue for anything circa2014 will be filled in and the supporters who still need a rugby league fix every week,will go elsewhere.I suggest you go watch one of the many amateur clubs in the district.You willbe pleasantly surprised with the quality of some of the young kids out there.yours in sport, a pig.
The players will become free agents as the club will not be able to honour their conracts (pay them)The hole in the ground which is not fit purpose as venue for anything circa2014 will be filled in and the supporters who still need a rugby league fix every week,will go elsewhere.I suggest you go watch one of the many amateur clubs in the district.You willbe pleasantly surprised with the quality of some of the young kids out there.yours in sport, a pig. northern pig

10:56pm Fri 27 Dec 13

WayneRouke says...

I wont put any more koffers into the kitty whilst Ok is the major shareholder. In my view, he saw the Bulls as a venture in which to turn a quick profit.

This hasnt transpired and the shares are now worthless (cos nobody wants to buy them). He secured some good sponsorship and kept the ship alive, but he miscalculated the time in which to get a return on his investment.

Now, he wants to try to offload his shares at an unrealistic price in an attempt to get his investment back. But the recently departed board are not prepared to pay his asking price (quite rightly in my opinion-- you wouldnt pay 200,000 for a 50,000 house).

In my view, OK will now put the club into administration, as he simply has not got the cash to support such a venture, or he is not prepared to. Basically, he wants his cake (controlling interest) and to eat it (offload them).

What the club needs is a sponsor with more cash than sense, who is prepared to cover the loss over a five year period. The "five year plan" is a well known business approach, whereby you only start turning a profit after that time, and makes for a stable, growable business venture.
I wont put any more koffers into the kitty whilst Ok is the major shareholder. In my view, he saw the Bulls as a venture in which to turn a quick profit. This hasnt transpired and the shares are now worthless (cos nobody wants to buy them). He secured some good sponsorship and kept the ship alive, but he miscalculated the time in which to get a return on his investment. Now, he wants to try to offload his shares at an unrealistic price in an attempt to get his investment back. But the recently departed board are not prepared to pay his asking price (quite rightly in my opinion-- you wouldnt pay 200,000 for a 50,000 house). In my view, OK will now put the club into administration, as he simply has not got the cash to support such a venture, or he is not prepared to. Basically, he wants his cake (controlling interest) and to eat it (offload them). What the club needs is a sponsor with more cash than sense, who is prepared to cover the loss over a five year period. The "five year plan" is a well known business approach, whereby you only start turning a profit after that time, and makes for a stable, growable business venture. WayneRouke

8:02am Sat 28 Dec 13

Danger Mouse Bantam says...

AUGUST1964 wrote:
Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware!
Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle.
Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.
Clown!!
[quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware! Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle. Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.[/p][/quote]Clown!! Danger Mouse Bantam

4:54pm Mon 30 Dec 13

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Danger Mouse Bantam wrote:
AUGUST1964 wrote: Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware! Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle. Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.
Clown!!
Hickman.
[quote][p][bold]Danger Mouse Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]AUGUST1964[/bold] wrote: Ain't it funny when most of the comments on stories regarding the Bulls these days are from City fans,don't remember many city fans offering congrats when the Bulls were bringing home the silverware! Don' forget where you are positioned in the football league. Gloating and short memories spring to mind,remember this, the sporting public are very fickle. Good luck Bulls, and a very merry xmas to all.[/p][/quote]Clown!![/p][/quote]Hickman. Papa Smurfs Wig

9:22pm Mon 30 Dec 13

flogem says...

Did anyone honestly think Sutcliffe and Khan would rescue the Bulls.
No of course you didn't.
Nobody would be that daft.
Did anyone honestly think Sutcliffe and Khan would rescue the Bulls. No of course you didn't. Nobody would be that daft. flogem

6:46pm Sun 5 Jan 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Not on this earth of fullers.
Not on this earth of fullers. Papa Smurfs Wig

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