As Bradford Bulls board drop new financial bombshell, Francis Cummins admits: I may lose some of my players

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: FACING FACTS: Pragmatic Bulls coach Francis Cummins knows “one or two” of his high-earners may leave Odsal to save the club money FACING FACTS: Pragmatic Bulls coach Francis Cummins knows “one or two” of his high-earners may leave Odsal to save the club money

Francis Cummins last night accepted the Bulls must do “what is best for the club” as it was revealed that huge savings must be made to safeguard its future.

The head coach addressed supporters at the latest fans’ forum in the Coral Stand, where directors Ian Watt, Andrew Calvert and Mark Moore spoke of the club’s financial plight.

The Bulls must make savings in every department as they bid to shed £400,000 from their outgoings in the next 12 months.

Cummins and his players were told about the situation yesterday and, while the first-team squad are being “ring-fenced” from the proposed cuts, the head coach admitted a number of high-earners could depart to ease the financial burden.

Cummins said: “We’re going to have to do what’s best for the club and that might be that one or two players move on.

“If that means that the club can go forward and build then that’s what we are going to have to do – but none of the young players will be leaving.”

Crucially, the directors stated that any player who leaves will be replaced, albeit on vastly reduced wages.

Cummins, who was assistant to Mick Potter when the club’s entire coaching staff were made redundant by administrator Brendan Guilfoyle during the summer of 2012, said his squad had taken yesterday’s news on the chin.

He added: “There have been easier times to play, coach and support Bradford Bulls but there have been a lot worse as well.

“I was here when we were in administration and people were working without pay, so it almost feels better for me straight away.

“I always find that if you know where you are then you can confront it, start making changes and improvements.

“I think the players appreciate the honesty because they have been given it straight – this is the situation.

“I told the players that the things we can affect are how we play on a rugby field and, fortunately, most of the squad are battle-hardened.

“They have been through the worst time when we were in administration last year, they went through that wobble earlier this year of getting paid late and then there were all the rumours of administration.

“I think they are probably more relieved than anything that it’s not gone to administration and we can kick on, although it’s clear the club needs to make some pretty significant savings.”

Cummins has assembled a sizeable backroom staff during the close-season and added cautiously: “We can’t function and look after our players with two or three staff.

“It just doesn’t work but if you have to find a different way to provide the same level of support then we would have to look at the next-best thing.”

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7:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

bullybullman says...

Well the RFL can not relent on the sky money as its out of their hands the deal was struck to keep us in super league by all the other clubs. Omar has fleeced us but lets be honest why would he have saved the club for free if there was nothing in it for him & his gangsters ! Great news that we have avioded administration I dont think many realise just how close we came to it over the last week ! The rosey blinker boys continue to dismiss everything but hard times are ahead & many will not like whats coming over the next few weeks. We are in for a turbulant season & forget your top eight finish survial is the name of the game 10th place the target.

Credit to the board for putting up whats needed & lets hope the potential sponsership deal in the pipeline comes off but short term sadly we need to cut & chop to survive the season ahead so the saga for survival goes on. You have to ask though how much longer can this go on & next season there is no guarantee of super league survival.

Good luck to the club Bradford is a better place with the Bulls the loyalty show by mant at the club is amazing.
Well the RFL can not relent on the sky money as its out of their hands the deal was struck to keep us in super league by all the other clubs. Omar has fleeced us but lets be honest why would he have saved the club for free if there was nothing in it for him & his gangsters ! Great news that we have avioded administration I dont think many realise just how close we came to it over the last week ! The rosey blinker boys continue to dismiss everything but hard times are ahead & many will not like whats coming over the next few weeks. We are in for a turbulant season & forget your top eight finish survial is the name of the game 10th place the target. Credit to the board for putting up whats needed & lets hope the potential sponsership deal in the pipeline comes off but short term sadly we need to cut & chop to survive the season ahead so the saga for survival goes on. You have to ask though how much longer can this go on & next season there is no guarantee of super league survival. Good luck to the club Bradford is a better place with the Bulls the loyalty show by mant at the club is amazing. bullybullman

7:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.
the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent. fedupwiththeBS

7:20am Thu 5 Dec 13

AdeyG'man says...

In light of, quite honestly, the latest circus act at Odsal. Will the New board be offering a refund in season tickets because we've been sold a ticket under the false advertising of having a decent squad and "belonging". I've been a loyal and patient fan for many years but I'm not willing to be a clown in this circus...I'd rather have my money back and cut rugby league out of my life! sorry if it seems lacking in loyalty but I paid to see the likes of Carvell and Gaskell in a bulls shirt...not to see the team destroyed before the season kicks off!
In light of, quite honestly, the latest circus act at Odsal. Will the New board be offering a refund in season tickets because we've been sold a ticket under the false advertising of having a decent squad and "belonging". I've been a loyal and patient fan for many years but I'm not willing to be a clown in this circus...I'd rather have my money back and cut rugby league out of my life! sorry if it seems lacking in loyalty but I paid to see the likes of Carvell and Gaskell in a bulls shirt...not to see the team destroyed before the season kicks off! AdeyG'man

7:23am Thu 5 Dec 13

RUMDOO says...

fedupwiththeBS wrote:
the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.
Another expression that springs to mind "simpleton"
No doubt this forum will be full of Bull haters by lunchtime,enjoy it while you can you may not have very long to vent your vicious comments,what some don't seem to realise there are peoples jobs on the line.
[quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.[/p][/quote]Another expression that springs to mind "simpleton" No doubt this forum will be full of Bull haters by lunchtime,enjoy it while you can you may not have very long to vent your vicious comments,what some don't seem to realise there are peoples jobs on the line. RUMDOO

7:47am Thu 5 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

RUMDOO wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.
Another expression that springs to mind "simpleton"
No doubt this forum will be full of Bull haters by lunchtime,enjoy it while you can you may not have very long to vent your vicious comments,what some don't seem to realise there are peoples jobs on the line.
you cant call people bulls haters just for having an opinion.
they talk about honesty but like AdeyG'man says they waited till season tickets bought before saying anything.
they knew, just wanted money first.
however you butter it up, they conned people just like these dodgy companies do.
shame on them.
should have said up front and let bulls fans decide for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]RUMDOO[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.[/p][/quote]Another expression that springs to mind "simpleton" No doubt this forum will be full of Bull haters by lunchtime,enjoy it while you can you may not have very long to vent your vicious comments,what some don't seem to realise there are peoples jobs on the line.[/p][/quote]you cant call people bulls haters just for having an opinion. they talk about honesty but like AdeyG'man says they waited till season tickets bought before saying anything. they knew, just wanted money first. however you butter it up, they conned people just like these dodgy companies do. shame on them. should have said up front and let bulls fans decide for themselves. tinytoonster

8:03am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

This news story is skipping across what was made public last night.
Why are none of the details regarding the masses of debt that was ran up last year not in this story which was disclosed last night. How Whitcut sold Bateman without the current boards say so etc.
Come on T&A the fans deserve to know the truth and what was said last night.
This news story is skipping across what was made public last night. Why are none of the details regarding the masses of debt that was ran up last year not in this story which was disclosed last night. How Whitcut sold Bateman without the current boards say so etc. Come on T&A the fans deserve to know the truth and what was said last night. Thee Voice of Reason

8:09am Thu 5 Dec 13

bingleymoor says...

About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long. bingleymoor

8:11am Thu 5 Dec 13

handoff says...

Last night's forum saw honesty and a willingness to confront and communicate the reality of the situation caused by the management of the previous administration and general manager. There was no hiding or misrepresentation of the facts. Those who use intemperate language should be careful, legal proceedings are the right of people liabled.

Legal proceedings are also an option for those wishing to recover monies they believe we're taken by fraudulent means.

Meantime, Frannie spoke passionately about the attitude of the players in training, despite the emerging financial mismanagement of others no longer with the club. Nobody said we were in for an easy ride, and supporters need to ' step up to the plate' as much as staff and players.
Last night's forum saw honesty and a willingness to confront and communicate the reality of the situation caused by the management of the previous administration and general manager. There was no hiding or misrepresentation of the facts. Those who use intemperate language should be careful, legal proceedings are the right of people liabled. Legal proceedings are also an option for those wishing to recover monies they believe we're taken by fraudulent means. Meantime, Frannie spoke passionately about the attitude of the players in training, despite the emerging financial mismanagement of others no longer with the club. Nobody said we were in for an easy ride, and supporters need to ' step up to the plate' as much as staff and players. handoff

8:19am Thu 5 Dec 13

monkey belly says...

reports of the meeting are on other forum sites, come on Ross tell the actual truth about what was said re finances.
reports of the meeting are on other forum sites, come on Ross tell the actual truth about what was said re finances. monkey belly

8:21am Thu 5 Dec 13

AdeyG'man says...

handoff wrote:
Last night's forum saw honesty and a willingness to confront and communicate the reality of the situation caused by the management of the previous administration and general manager. There was no hiding or misrepresentation of the facts. Those who use intemperate language should be careful, legal proceedings are the right of people liabled.

Legal proceedings are also an option for those wishing to recover monies they believe we're taken by fraudulent means.

Meantime, Frannie spoke passionately about the attitude of the players in training, despite the emerging financial mismanagement of others no longer with the club. Nobody said we were in for an easy ride, and supporters need to ' step up to the plate' as much as staff and players.
Why? Why do we have to step up? We've stepped up to cough up £500k in 2011, last year we stepped up after seeing Whitehead sold and a season long losing streak. When are we gonna see a return on our investment? Players like Carvell and Kearney aren't gonna stick around and why would they? I feel like I've been robbed of this season's membership money under false promise. Business call it false advertising
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: Last night's forum saw honesty and a willingness to confront and communicate the reality of the situation caused by the management of the previous administration and general manager. There was no hiding or misrepresentation of the facts. Those who use intemperate language should be careful, legal proceedings are the right of people liabled. Legal proceedings are also an option for those wishing to recover monies they believe we're taken by fraudulent means. Meantime, Frannie spoke passionately about the attitude of the players in training, despite the emerging financial mismanagement of others no longer with the club. Nobody said we were in for an easy ride, and supporters need to ' step up to the plate' as much as staff and players.[/p][/quote]Why? Why do we have to step up? We've stepped up to cough up £500k in 2011, last year we stepped up after seeing Whitehead sold and a season long losing streak. When are we gonna see a return on our investment? Players like Carvell and Kearney aren't gonna stick around and why would they? I feel like I've been robbed of this season's membership money under false promise. Business call it false advertising AdeyG'man

8:21am Thu 5 Dec 13

AdeyG'man says...

handoff wrote:
Last night's forum saw honesty and a willingness to confront and communicate the reality of the situation caused by the management of the previous administration and general manager. There was no hiding or misrepresentation of the facts. Those who use intemperate language should be careful, legal proceedings are the right of people liabled.

Legal proceedings are also an option for those wishing to recover monies they believe we're taken by fraudulent means.

Meantime, Frannie spoke passionately about the attitude of the players in training, despite the emerging financial mismanagement of others no longer with the club. Nobody said we were in for an easy ride, and supporters need to ' step up to the plate' as much as staff and players.
Why? Why do we have to step up? We've stepped up to cough up £500k in 2011, last year we stepped up after seeing Whitehead sold and a season long losing streak. When are we gonna see a return on our investment? Players like Carvell and Kearney aren't gonna stick around and why would they? I feel like I've been robbed of this season's membership money under false promise. Business call it false advertising
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: Last night's forum saw honesty and a willingness to confront and communicate the reality of the situation caused by the management of the previous administration and general manager. There was no hiding or misrepresentation of the facts. Those who use intemperate language should be careful, legal proceedings are the right of people liabled. Legal proceedings are also an option for those wishing to recover monies they believe we're taken by fraudulent means. Meantime, Frannie spoke passionately about the attitude of the players in training, despite the emerging financial mismanagement of others no longer with the club. Nobody said we were in for an easy ride, and supporters need to ' step up to the plate' as much as staff and players.[/p][/quote]Why? Why do we have to step up? We've stepped up to cough up £500k in 2011, last year we stepped up after seeing Whitehead sold and a season long losing streak. When are we gonna see a return on our investment? Players like Carvell and Kearney aren't gonna stick around and why would they? I feel like I've been robbed of this season's membership money under false promise. Business call it false advertising AdeyG'man

8:22am Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
[quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???.. bbibby

8:42am Thu 5 Dec 13

blue marlin says...

monkey belly wrote:
reports of the meeting are on other forum sites, come on Ross tell the actual truth about what was said re finances.
Which other forums?
[quote][p][bold]monkey belly[/bold] wrote: reports of the meeting are on other forum sites, come on Ross tell the actual truth about what was said re finances.[/p][/quote]Which other forums? blue marlin

8:43am Thu 5 Dec 13

Steampig says...

i was at the meeting last night, and what was clear is that we are in for a a very difficult time, The players and staff at the club will face some tough times and some might not be there come the start of the season, It Seems Omar & Whitcut left the club in a very bad financial situation, having secured loans against the club, of which the new board were not aware and have recently uncovered, they have reached agreements re the payments of these loans, but they also said that Omar would recieve not 1 penny from the Bulls.
i thought that there was an honesty about the way things are and it is better to be up front about the situation .
The board have it seems looked long and hard at where the club is as a business and will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the business survives, it will be hard , they made no bones about that, but as Robbie said, they ( the board) had the chance to walk away last week, but they didn't , they believe they can turn it around. it's up to the supporters to stick with them and help the club to grow. if you want instant success you will be disappointed but in the long term getting the business side stabilised will lead to success on the field.
i was at the meeting last night, and what was clear is that we are in for a a very difficult time, The players and staff at the club will face some tough times and some might not be there come the start of the season, It Seems Omar & Whitcut left the club in a very bad financial situation, having secured loans against the club, of which the new board were not aware and have recently uncovered, they have reached agreements re the payments of these loans, but they also said that Omar would recieve not 1 penny from the Bulls. i thought that there was an honesty about the way things are and it is better to be up front about the situation . The board have it seems looked long and hard at where the club is as a business and will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the business survives, it will be hard , they made no bones about that, but as Robbie said, they ( the board) had the chance to walk away last week, but they didn't , they believe they can turn it around. it's up to the supporters to stick with them and help the club to grow. if you want instant success you will be disappointed but in the long term getting the business side stabilised will lead to success on the field. Steampig

8:47am Thu 5 Dec 13

blue marlin says...

monkey belly wrote:
reports of the meeting are on other forum sites, come on Ross tell the actual truth about what was said re finances.
which othe forums?
[quote][p][bold]monkey belly[/bold] wrote: reports of the meeting are on other forum sites, come on Ross tell the actual truth about what was said re finances.[/p][/quote]which othe forums? blue marlin

8:47am Thu 5 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

bbibby wrote:
bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses.

Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen.

But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world

I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs
[quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..[/p][/quote]They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses. Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen. But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs Andy2010

8:47am Thu 5 Dec 13

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8:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

Crusader20 says...

bbibby wrote:
bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
Who hasn't been attacked by Viking and Sheffield bull!
The truth must really hurt him! He must have very close links to bulls to take the truth so personally! (Member of staff perhaps)!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..[/p][/quote]Who hasn't been attacked by Viking and Sheffield bull! The truth must really hurt him! He must have very close links to bulls to take the truth so personally! (Member of staff perhaps)!!!!! Crusader20

8:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

Lythambull says...

Normally I would be totally pro-Bulls, but honestly I'm left exhausted by the effort. We should be getting excited about some of our new signings and looking forward to the season ahead, instead I fear we'll end up having the meat picked from our bones by bigger clubs.
Each day I log on here and Red Amber and Black hoping to hear about a sugar daddy but let's be realistic, even at Salford, the rugby club is little more than a business card that Dr Koucash (not certain of the spelling) can use to wine and dine investors in his other plans for the area. I know a few Salford fans who worry that he'll have pulled out in three years. Outside the very top of our domestic game, teams are struggling to make ends meet. The rfl needs to take steps to help sustain itself. That's not to absolve to bulls of responsibility but surely more can be done to make the game itself a more a attractive proposition? Increased salary caps might encourage better players from down under? Certainly the league needs to be streamlined (and if bradford fall victim of that so be it). I'm man enough to admit I don't have the answers. Hopefully the new board can steer the club through these austere times and we can rebuild on a more sound footing.
A worrying day indeed. It's my dog I feel sorry for;)
Normally I would be totally pro-Bulls, but honestly I'm left exhausted by the effort. We should be getting excited about some of our new signings and looking forward to the season ahead, instead I fear we'll end up having the meat picked from our bones by bigger clubs. Each day I log on here and Red Amber and Black hoping to hear about a sugar daddy but let's be realistic, even at Salford, the rugby club is little more than a business card that Dr Koucash (not certain of the spelling) can use to wine and dine investors in his other plans for the area. I know a few Salford fans who worry that he'll have pulled out in three years. Outside the very top of our domestic game, teams are struggling to make ends meet. The rfl needs to take steps to help sustain itself. That's not to absolve to bulls of responsibility but surely more can be done to make the game itself a more a attractive proposition? Increased salary caps might encourage better players from down under? Certainly the league needs to be streamlined (and if bradford fall victim of that so be it). I'm man enough to admit I don't have the answers. Hopefully the new board can steer the club through these austere times and we can rebuild on a more sound footing. A worrying day indeed. It's my dog I feel sorry for;) Lythambull

8:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

Steampig wrote:
i was at the meeting last night, and what was clear is that we are in for a a very difficult time, The players and staff at the club will face some tough times and some might not be there come the start of the season, It Seems Omar & Whitcut left the club in a very bad financial situation, having secured loans against the club, of which the new board were not aware and have recently uncovered, they have reached agreements re the payments of these loans, but they also said that Omar would recieve not 1 penny from the Bulls.
i thought that there was an honesty about the way things are and it is better to be up front about the situation .
The board have it seems looked long and hard at where the club is as a business and will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the business survives, it will be hard , they made no bones about that, but as Robbie said, they ( the board) had the chance to walk away last week, but they didn't , they believe they can turn it around. it's up to the supporters to stick with them and help the club to grow. if you want instant success you will be disappointed but in the long term getting the business side stabilised will lead to success on the field.
They didnt know of these secured loans....just lol....and these are meant to be businessmen?

two words...Due Diligence
[quote][p][bold]Steampig[/bold] wrote: i was at the meeting last night, and what was clear is that we are in for a a very difficult time, The players and staff at the club will face some tough times and some might not be there come the start of the season, It Seems Omar & Whitcut left the club in a very bad financial situation, having secured loans against the club, of which the new board were not aware and have recently uncovered, they have reached agreements re the payments of these loans, but they also said that Omar would recieve not 1 penny from the Bulls. i thought that there was an honesty about the way things are and it is better to be up front about the situation . The board have it seems looked long and hard at where the club is as a business and will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the business survives, it will be hard , they made no bones about that, but as Robbie said, they ( the board) had the chance to walk away last week, but they didn't , they believe they can turn it around. it's up to the supporters to stick with them and help the club to grow. if you want instant success you will be disappointed but in the long term getting the business side stabilised will lead to success on the field.[/p][/quote]They didnt know of these secured loans....just lol....and these are meant to be businessmen? two words...Due Diligence Andy2010

8:52am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Steampig wrote:
i was at the meeting last night, and what was clear is that we are in for a a very difficult time, The players and staff at the club will face some tough times and some might not be there come the start of the season, It Seems Omar & Whitcut left the club in a very bad financial situation, having secured loans against the club, of which the new board were not aware and have recently uncovered, they have reached agreements re the payments of these loans, but they also said that Omar would recieve not 1 penny from the Bulls.
i thought that there was an honesty about the way things are and it is better to be up front about the situation .
The board have it seems looked long and hard at where the club is as a business and will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the business survives, it will be hard , they made no bones about that, but as Robbie said, they ( the board) had the chance to walk away last week, but they didn't , they believe they can turn it around. it's up to the supporters to stick with them and help the club to grow. if you want instant success you will be disappointed but in the long term getting the business side stabilised will lead to success on the field.
I was told this by someone from the club last week and share the info on Saturday and was jumped on by all and sundry, called a liar, etc.
I said I had a source which had a direct link to the top and was ridiculed for it, now those at the top have confirmed what I passed on.
Some are so blinkered, I don't want the Bulls to go under just the truth to be known, for sharing this info I am labelled a troll.
Well it looks like all those who have been burying their heads in the sand finally learn't what many of us knew already.
[quote][p][bold]Steampig[/bold] wrote: i was at the meeting last night, and what was clear is that we are in for a a very difficult time, The players and staff at the club will face some tough times and some might not be there come the start of the season, It Seems Omar & Whitcut left the club in a very bad financial situation, having secured loans against the club, of which the new board were not aware and have recently uncovered, they have reached agreements re the payments of these loans, but they also said that Omar would recieve not 1 penny from the Bulls. i thought that there was an honesty about the way things are and it is better to be up front about the situation . The board have it seems looked long and hard at where the club is as a business and will take the appropriate steps to ensure that the business survives, it will be hard , they made no bones about that, but as Robbie said, they ( the board) had the chance to walk away last week, but they didn't , they believe they can turn it around. it's up to the supporters to stick with them and help the club to grow. if you want instant success you will be disappointed but in the long term getting the business side stabilised will lead to success on the field.[/p][/quote]I was told this by someone from the club last week and share the info on Saturday and was jumped on by all and sundry, called a liar, etc. I said I had a source which had a direct link to the top and was ridiculed for it, now those at the top have confirmed what I passed on. Some are so blinkered, I don't want the Bulls to go under just the truth to be known, for sharing this info I am labelled a troll. Well it looks like all those who have been burying their heads in the sand finally learn't what many of us knew already. Thee Voice of Reason

9:03am Thu 5 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

Well said TVOR, as usual you were proven to be right.

Viking, mumbly, sheffdull, Brian et al, where are you, lets be 'aving you, come on, put your thick heads above the parapet.
Well said TVOR, as usual you were proven to be right. Viking, mumbly, sheffdull, Brian et al, where are you, lets be 'aving you, come on, put your thick heads above the parapet. Alhaurinrhino

9:03am Thu 5 Dec 13

Jagster67 says...

Are the latest developments any real surprise? We have been owned by one bunch of cowboys after another for years and the fans have expressed there frustration via the season tickets sales to date. Faith and confidence in the new board is low as they need to prove they are not the latest in a line of cowboys.

Can we please have some direct, open and honest communication with fans, not spin - give details on the specifics they are implying, how much cash not time have they actually invested to date?

My sympathies go to FC and the squad - there remain a lot of fans out there and I am sure that if we see some pride and passion on the pitch forgetting a top 8 finish then cash will come through the turnstiles.

Batten down the hatches as it is going to be another rollercoaster season at Odsal!
Are the latest developments any real surprise? We have been owned by one bunch of cowboys after another for years and the fans have expressed there frustration via the season tickets sales to date. Faith and confidence in the new board is low as they need to prove they are not the latest in a line of cowboys. Can we please have some direct, open and honest communication with fans, not spin - give details on the specifics they are implying, how much cash not time have they actually invested to date? My sympathies go to FC and the squad - there remain a lot of fans out there and I am sure that if we see some pride and passion on the pitch forgetting a top 8 finish then cash will come through the turnstiles. Batten down the hatches as it is going to be another rollercoaster season at Odsal! Jagster67

9:06am Thu 5 Dec 13

LoyalBull says...

So let’s get this right. Omar was hailed as our saviour throughout Bradford and the Rugby League World. He then puts a flash harry in charge and now we are worse off financially than under the Caisley/Hood Regime?
I read this forum regularly and I always get the opinion if you say anything untoward or any rumours which always turn out to be correct then you feel the rath of Viking, raisemeup and Sheffield Bull. Can these guys explain where they get their spin from? All I perceive is constant lies from within the club and to say the club is a circus is an understatement. From where I am sat the future is very bleak and I pray the new board can turn things around I really do. I would be happy if they would just plain and simply tell the truth and stop the spin its gone beyond embarrassing . All I wish to say to Mr Khan and Mr Whitcut hang your heads in shame as well as screwing our beloved club you lost us 3 local talented players who one in particular has already achieved success elsewhere and probably gets paid on time. Dare I ask where Mr Sutcliffe stands in all this?
So let’s get this right. Omar was hailed as our saviour throughout Bradford and the Rugby League World. He then puts a flash harry in charge and now we are worse off financially than under the Caisley/Hood Regime? I read this forum regularly and I always get the opinion if you say anything untoward or any rumours which always turn out to be correct then you feel the rath of Viking, raisemeup and Sheffield Bull. Can these guys explain where they get their spin from? All I perceive is constant lies from within the club and to say the club is a circus is an understatement. From where I am sat the future is very bleak and I pray the new board can turn things around I really do. I would be happy if they would just plain and simply tell the truth and stop the spin its gone beyond embarrassing . All I wish to say to Mr Khan and Mr Whitcut hang your heads in shame as well as screwing our beloved club you lost us 3 local talented players who one in particular has already achieved success elsewhere and probably gets paid on time. Dare I ask where Mr Sutcliffe stands in all this? LoyalBull

9:28am Thu 5 Dec 13

shikran says...

Good to see honesty from the board coming clean with fans. Yes financially very bad right now, but we just need to sell a few overpaid players and put in young, hungry players.

So OK + his pals wasn't able to take the team forward but remember we were staring into the abyss with curry shops scrapping over the bits. New board need a chance to put it rite surely.

Survival has to be goal but you never know, if everyone pulls in rite direction? Out with old in with new, hoping for a bright future. Merry Xmas COYB!!!
Good to see honesty from the board coming clean with fans. Yes financially very bad right now, but we just need to sell a few overpaid players and put in young, hungry players. So OK + his pals wasn't able to take the team forward but remember we were staring into the abyss with curry shops scrapping over the bits. New board need a chance to put it rite surely. Survival has to be goal but you never know, if everyone pulls in rite direction? Out with old in with new, hoping for a bright future. Merry Xmas COYB!!! shikran

9:41am Thu 5 Dec 13

fedupwiththeBS says...

RUMDOO wrote:
fedupwiththeBS wrote:
the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.
Another expression that springs to mind "simpleton"
No doubt this forum will be full of Bull haters by lunchtime,enjoy it while you can you may not have very long to vent your vicious comments,what some don't seem to realise there are peoples jobs on the line.
Simpleton! I and a few others on here have been trying to make fans aware of what has been going on at our club since May when it first came to light that it was in trouble with OK and Ryan at the helm and none of you would listen; you all wanted to believe or belong.

Signing players when you are in debt and have not got the money to pay them and also employing a load more back room staff, is trading whilst insolvent and as been pointed out on here illegal.

I know a number of the players and despite what FC says they are not happy, far from it.

We have been lied to by this board just as much as the other clowns did; stories at the weekend denying there was anything wrong, the spin to get fans to buy season tickets (that money has already been spent).

All the players and fans want is honesty as the truth always comes out in the end.
[quote][p][bold]RUMDOO[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedupwiththeBS[/bold] wrote: the expression that springs to mind is trading whilst insolvent.[/p][/quote]Another expression that springs to mind "simpleton" No doubt this forum will be full of Bull haters by lunchtime,enjoy it while you can you may not have very long to vent your vicious comments,what some don't seem to realise there are peoples jobs on the line.[/p][/quote]Simpleton! I and a few others on here have been trying to make fans aware of what has been going on at our club since May when it first came to light that it was in trouble with OK and Ryan at the helm and none of you would listen; you all wanted to believe or belong. Signing players when you are in debt and have not got the money to pay them and also employing a load more back room staff, is trading whilst insolvent and as been pointed out on here illegal. I know a number of the players and despite what FC says they are not happy, far from it. We have been lied to by this board just as much as the other clowns did; stories at the weekend denying there was anything wrong, the spin to get fans to buy season tickets (that money has already been spent). All the players and fans want is honesty as the truth always comes out in the end. fedupwiththeBS

10:09am Thu 5 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be>
If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team.
The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems.
If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again.

To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature,
So it's irrelevant.
Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.
I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway. raisemeup

10:23am Thu 5 Dec 13

Visit Bradford, ratherstickneedlesineyes says...

Omar khan is a cowboy! This was bound to happen, you only have to look at how the club was ran last year. Players leaving, promised money from other businesses never materialised because they knew it was a black hole! Ok chasing these very people via the press. A pathetic attempt at a concert. Wat a joker him and his pathetic side kick really was!

I stopped turning up wen I knew I getting fleeced by these conmen! Thousands of others have done the same. There is just the few rose tinted fans that think they "belong"! Belong to wat exactly? History? It is just that, history! Reality is you belong to an embarrassment at moment! I hope to god that changes but that reputation amongst the rugby league world is now firmly planted and it will take one massive miracle to change that!

Robbie Paul's and the new boards intentions are admirable but they are sailing a sinking ship!

One more thing Omar khans curry is one of the worst in bradford!
Omar khan is a cowboy! This was bound to happen, you only have to look at how the club was ran last year. Players leaving, promised money from other businesses never materialised because they knew it was a black hole! Ok chasing these very people via the press. A pathetic attempt at a concert. Wat a joker him and his pathetic side kick really was! I stopped turning up wen I knew I getting fleeced by these conmen! Thousands of others have done the same. There is just the few rose tinted fans that think they "belong"! Belong to wat exactly? History? It is just that, history! Reality is you belong to an embarrassment at moment! I hope to god that changes but that reputation amongst the rugby league world is now firmly planted and it will take one massive miracle to change that! Robbie Paul's and the new boards intentions are admirable but they are sailing a sinking ship! One more thing Omar khans curry is one of the worst in bradford! Visit Bradford, ratherstickneedlesineyes

10:24am Thu 5 Dec 13

Truth77 says...

posted on the other article as well,
Wheres the £200,000 council loan gone, The concerned ratepayers who objected to this loan were ignored and assured that it was a safe investment and would not be at risk, The leader of the council should now explain why he gave the loan and what steps are bieng taken to protect the rate payer's money
posted on the other article as well, Wheres the £200,000 council loan gone, The concerned ratepayers who objected to this loan were ignored and assured that it was a safe investment and would not be at risk, The leader of the council should now explain why he gave the loan and what steps are bieng taken to protect the rate payer's money Truth77

10:39am Thu 5 Dec 13

StevieLad says...

raisemeup wrote:
I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be>
If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team.
The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems.
If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again.

To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature,
So it's irrelevant.
Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.
There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'.

If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**?

You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past.

You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.[/p][/quote]There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'. If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**? You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past. You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that. StevieLad

10:48am Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

raisemeup wrote:
I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.
You have been guilty of castigating fellow supporters who didn't sing from the same hymn sheet as you did.

I gave you a brief about this story on Saturday saying,

OK and Whitcut left the club in a right state saddled with debt when they walked out. Good luck to those who are picking up the pieces.

You replied back with,

Welcome back TVOR:
The fatal flaw in the way you and Armageddon (sorry arm and aleg) put your stories across is the complete lack of facts, related to your accusations?

For example you talk about Quote: 'OK and Whitcut left the club in a right state saddled with debt when they walked out.' unquote:

If we are to believe that furnish proof of that statement ?
If you can furnish that then someone may think you credible...

I told you what I knew in good faith but it wasn't what you wanted to believe so I was hounded by all and sundry.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.[/p][/quote]You have been guilty of castigating fellow supporters who didn't sing from the same hymn sheet as you did. I gave you a brief about this story on Saturday saying, OK and Whitcut left the club in a right state saddled with debt when they walked out. Good luck to those who are picking up the pieces. You replied back with, Welcome back TVOR: The fatal flaw in the way you and Armageddon (sorry arm and aleg) put your stories across is the complete lack of facts, related to your accusations? For example you talk about Quote: 'OK and Whitcut left the club in a right state saddled with debt when they walked out.' unquote: If we are to believe that furnish proof of that statement ? If you can furnish that then someone may think you credible... I told you what I knew in good faith but it wasn't what you wanted to believe so I was hounded by all and sundry. Thee Voice of Reason

10:56am Thu 5 Dec 13

Parz says...

By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.
By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes. Parz

11:06am Thu 5 Dec 13

Videoref says...

I've got a feeling of deja vu here 1963-2013?
So very very sad but looking on the bright side if history repeats itself, 2053 should be a very good year.
Pity I won't be alive to see it.
PS I have a lot of memorabilia from Superleague glory years-should become collectors items now-anyone want to invest?
I've got a feeling of deja vu here 1963-2013? So very very sad but looking on the bright side if history repeats itself, 2053 should be a very good year. Pity I won't be alive to see it. PS I have a lot of memorabilia from Superleague glory years-should become collectors items now-anyone want to invest? Videoref

11:17am Thu 5 Dec 13

StevieLad says...

Videoref wrote:
I've got a feeling of deja vu here 1963-2013?
So very very sad but looking on the bright side if history repeats itself, 2053 should be a very good year.
Pity I won't be alive to see it.
PS I have a lot of memorabilia from Superleague glory years-should become collectors items now-anyone want to invest?
You've not got any of Steve Long's wigs have you mate I'm trying to complete a set
[quote][p][bold]Videoref[/bold] wrote: I've got a feeling of deja vu here 1963-2013? So very very sad but looking on the bright side if history repeats itself, 2053 should be a very good year. Pity I won't be alive to see it. PS I have a lot of memorabilia from Superleague glory years-should become collectors items now-anyone want to invest?[/p][/quote]You've not got any of Steve Long's wigs have you mate I'm trying to complete a set StevieLad

12:50pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Loyalbull1981 says...

thing i dont understand is how these big earned players will now find clubs if teams have already spent to salary cap hmmm. sad sad days ahead.
thing i dont understand is how these big earned players will now find clubs if teams have already spent to salary cap hmmm. sad sad days ahead. Loyalbull1981

1:37pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Truth77 wrote:
posted on the other article as well,
Wheres the £200,000 council loan gone, The concerned ratepayers who objected to this loan were ignored and assured that it was a safe investment and would not be at risk, The leader of the council should now explain why he gave the loan and what steps are bieng taken to protect the rate payer's money
I was going to ask this question too and this should go right to the top and take out Dave Green along with Tony Reeves who was on 175k a year, maybe more now. I think also that Gerry Sutcliffe has some explaining to do with his association at the club.

Raise me up: It has been said above and you do owe a huge apology to TVOR.
[quote][p][bold]Truth77[/bold] wrote: posted on the other article as well, Wheres the £200,000 council loan gone, The concerned ratepayers who objected to this loan were ignored and assured that it was a safe investment and would not be at risk, The leader of the council should now explain why he gave the loan and what steps are bieng taken to protect the rate payer's money[/p][/quote]I was going to ask this question too and this should go right to the top and take out Dave Green along with Tony Reeves who was on 175k a year, maybe more now. I think also that Gerry Sutcliffe has some explaining to do with his association at the club. Raise me up: It has been said above and you do owe a huge apology to TVOR. Papa Smurfs Wig

1:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

BierleyBoy says...

Never ceases to amaze me how people buying the Bulls only ever seem to find out about how bad the finances are after they've bought the club. Any level of due diligence would throw up loans secured against assets.

It's now obvious Omar Khan didn't have a clue what he was doing. He put Ryan Whitcut in the general manager role because he's been in partnership with him for some 20 years. It's strange how Sutcliffe, Joshi, Greenwood, Swalesetc all became directors, then quit within 5 months.

The conduct of Bradford Council has to be seriously questioned. There is a serious lack of due diligence on their part in granting a £200k loan to OK Bulls which was not secured on club assets. Omar Khan funds Gerry Sutcliffe and it was he who asked Labour friend David Green for the loan.

Sutcliffe is on record as having slagged fans off for only buying 6,500 full price season tickets, when the club projected for 10,000. He's also on record as saying he put every penny he had into the club.

The only reason to set up another company is to trade through that company. OK Bulls will be wound up & as such it should mean another points punishment for the Bulls.

The one saving grace is that the RFL owns the Odsal lease. If they didn't, the club would be well on the way to folding.
Never ceases to amaze me how people buying the Bulls only ever seem to find out about how bad the finances are after they've bought the club. Any level of due diligence would throw up loans secured against assets. It's now obvious Omar Khan didn't have a clue what he was doing. He put Ryan Whitcut in the general manager role because he's been in partnership with him for some 20 years. It's strange how Sutcliffe, Joshi, Greenwood, Swalesetc all became directors, then quit within 5 months. The conduct of Bradford Council has to be seriously questioned. There is a serious lack of due diligence on their part in granting a £200k loan to OK Bulls which was not secured on club assets. Omar Khan funds Gerry Sutcliffe and it was he who asked Labour friend David Green for the loan. Sutcliffe is on record as having slagged fans off for only buying 6,500 full price season tickets, when the club projected for 10,000. He's also on record as saying he put every penny he had into the club. The only reason to set up another company is to trade through that company. OK Bulls will be wound up & as such it should mean another points punishment for the Bulls. The one saving grace is that the RFL owns the Odsal lease. If they didn't, the club would be well on the way to folding. BierleyBoy

1:48pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Nick Harrison says...

I too was berated when I said that what we were being told was not correct by Khan et al. Apparently I am not a Bulls fan and I have a grudge against the club.

It is a mess, pure and simple. With good management it can turn around. How anyone misses a secured loan goodness only knows, but that aside, we have 3 businessmen running the show. Lets get behind them and support our team. Shed Robbie. He is a figurehead and I hazzard a guess an expensive one. Lets face it, at Huddersfield he was fantastic, average gate of 5,000, only 8,000 at the presentation of the minor championship trophy - WOW, what a fan base he developed there!

£400,000 is in business terms not a lot of money. Surely with a strong board and sound management sponsorship can be found to close the gap? If not, it is a money pit that should just call it a day. Remember though, this is the closed season, of course money will be flowing in the wrong direction. These guys cannot generate a revenue when the place is effectively closed until February. After then it is up to them to prove they can run the Bulls effectively and profitably.

COYB
I too was berated when I said that what we were being told was not correct by Khan et al. Apparently I am not a Bulls fan and I have a grudge against the club. It is a mess, pure and simple. With good management it can turn around. How anyone misses a secured loan goodness only knows, but that aside, we have 3 businessmen running the show. Lets get behind them and support our team. Shed Robbie. He is a figurehead and I hazzard a guess an expensive one. Lets face it, at Huddersfield he was fantastic, average gate of 5,000, only 8,000 at the presentation of the minor championship trophy - WOW, what a fan base he developed there! £400,000 is in business terms not a lot of money. Surely with a strong board and sound management sponsorship can be found to close the gap? If not, it is a money pit that should just call it a day. Remember though, this is the closed season, of course money will be flowing in the wrong direction. These guys cannot generate a revenue when the place is effectively closed until February. After then it is up to them to prove they can run the Bulls effectively and profitably. COYB Nick Harrison

2:28pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Loyalbull1981 wrote:
thing i dont understand is how these big earned players will now find clubs if teams have already spent to salary cap hmmm. sad sad days ahead.
Correct! Like the last time when Potter told the players to get themselves sorted with other employment only one took the advice and got abuse for it. He achieved success despite Khan and his Bile. The high earners that are left ( like the last time) will not get a Club and will sit tight. The management at Bulls are Clueless ,but it is always someone else's fault.
[quote][p][bold]Loyalbull1981[/bold] wrote: thing i dont understand is how these big earned players will now find clubs if teams have already spent to salary cap hmmm. sad sad days ahead.[/p][/quote]Correct! Like the last time when Potter told the players to get themselves sorted with other employment only one took the advice and got abuse for it. He achieved success despite Khan and his Bile. The high earners that are left ( like the last time) will not get a Club and will sit tight. The management at Bulls are Clueless ,but it is always someone else's fault. bbibby

2:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Crusader20 says...

bbibby wrote:
Loyalbull1981 wrote:
thing i dont understand is how these big earned players will now find clubs if teams have already spent to salary cap hmmm. sad sad days ahead.
Correct! Like the last time when Potter told the players to get themselves sorted with other employment only one took the advice and got abuse for it. He achieved success despite Khan and his Bile. The high earners that are left ( like the last time) will not get a Club and will sit tight. The management at Bulls are Clueless ,but it is always someone else's fault.
Yes this is in fact TRUE
Last season Mick Potter sat the lads down and advised them
All to look for alternative clubs.
[quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Loyalbull1981[/bold] wrote: thing i dont understand is how these big earned players will now find clubs if teams have already spent to salary cap hmmm. sad sad days ahead.[/p][/quote]Correct! Like the last time when Potter told the players to get themselves sorted with other employment only one took the advice and got abuse for it. He achieved success despite Khan and his Bile. The high earners that are left ( like the last time) will not get a Club and will sit tight. The management at Bulls are Clueless ,but it is always someone else's fault.[/p][/quote]Yes this is in fact TRUE Last season Mick Potter sat the lads down and advised them All to look for alternative clubs. Crusader20

2:57pm Thu 5 Dec 13

raisemeup says...

StevieLad wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be>
If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team.
The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems.
If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again.

To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature,
So it's irrelevant.
Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.
There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'.

If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**?

You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past.

You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.
Not much! You have missed the point. Plus TVOR wrote at length about the filing of annual returns and so on. He and you aren't some kind of oracle are you. Not true about wanting to tear anyone down who criticises, it's those that criticise for the sake of either some form of character assassination, or just to be controversial..which are you>
Incidently do you see the difference in my truth and yours,? Which somewhat proves the point raised...even though my spelling was at fault.

You know why the blame game is unproductive? Because it does not alter Facts...it doesn't matter who was at fault, it will not answer the problems faced. However you stick to your viewpoint,

PS You used "us" in a sentence. Does that mean you are a season ticket holder who was also at the meeting?
[quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.[/p][/quote]There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'. If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**? You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past. You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.[/p][/quote]Not much! You have missed the point. Plus TVOR wrote at length about the filing of annual returns and so on. He and you aren't some kind of oracle are you. Not true about wanting to tear anyone down who criticises, it's those that criticise for the sake of either some form of character assassination, or just to be controversial..which are you> Incidently do you see the difference in my truth and yours,? Which somewhat proves the point raised...even though my spelling was at fault. You know why the blame game is unproductive? Because it does not alter Facts...it doesn't matter who was at fault, it will not answer the problems faced. However you stick to your viewpoint, PS You used "us" in a sentence. Does that mean you are a season ticket holder who was also at the meeting? raisemeup

3:13pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

raisemeup wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
raisemeup wrote: I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.
There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'. If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**? You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past. You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.
Not much! You have missed the point. Plus TVOR wrote at length about the filing of annual returns and so on. He and you aren't some kind of oracle are you. Not true about wanting to tear anyone down who criticises, it's those that criticise for the sake of either some form of character assassination, or just to be controversial..which are you> Incidently do you see the difference in my truth and yours,? Which somewhat proves the point raised...even though my spelling was at fault. You know why the blame game is unproductive? Because it does not alter Facts...it doesn't matter who was at fault, it will not answer the problems faced. However you stick to your viewpoint, PS You used "us" in a sentence. Does that mean you are a season ticket holder who was also at the meeting?
Your rambling here.

I saw that administration thread from Sunday and everything TVOR said has been proven and much much more.

Your buddies Viking and SheffieldBull have also kept clear today, probably with embarrassment of rediculing someone who got everything spot on.

PS the Annual return is still outstanding, but that it seems is the least of the worries.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.[/p][/quote]There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'. If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**? You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past. You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.[/p][/quote]Not much! You have missed the point. Plus TVOR wrote at length about the filing of annual returns and so on. He and you aren't some kind of oracle are you. Not true about wanting to tear anyone down who criticises, it's those that criticise for the sake of either some form of character assassination, or just to be controversial..which are you> Incidently do you see the difference in my truth and yours,? Which somewhat proves the point raised...even though my spelling was at fault. You know why the blame game is unproductive? Because it does not alter Facts...it doesn't matter who was at fault, it will not answer the problems faced. However you stick to your viewpoint, PS You used "us" in a sentence. Does that mean you are a season ticket holder who was also at the meeting?[/p][/quote]Your rambling here. I saw that administration thread from Sunday and everything TVOR said has been proven and much much more. Your buddies Viking and SheffieldBull have also kept clear today, probably with embarrassment of rediculing someone who got everything spot on. PS the Annual return is still outstanding, but that it seems is the least of the worries. Bacon Bantam

3:20pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bone_idle18 says...

As for the £200k loan, it's a drop in the ocean compared to other council wastage. It also probably secure employment for 30-40 people for another year, and if we survive, for far longer.

so even if it's written off, it's probably still the most successful investment in jobs the council has ever made!
As for the £200k loan, it's a drop in the ocean compared to other council wastage. It also probably secure employment for 30-40 people for another year, and if we survive, for far longer. so even if it's written off, it's probably still the most successful investment in jobs the council has ever made! Bone_idle18

3:30pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Bacon Bantam says...

Bone_idle18 wrote:
As for the £200k loan, it's a drop in the ocean compared to other council wastage. It also probably secure employment for 30-40 people for another year, and if we survive, for far longer. so even if it's written off, it's probably still the most successful investment in jobs the council has ever made!
That loan just bought more time for OK and Whitcut, which probably left the club in a worse mess and the taxpayers out of pocket.

Approx 200 households in the Bradford area have funded OK, Sutcliffe and Whitcut to live it up at the Bulls, and you don't think this is a problem.

The leaders at the council who authorised this have serious questions to answer, as has a Bradford MP who helped secure it.
[quote][p][bold]Bone_idle18[/bold] wrote: As for the £200k loan, it's a drop in the ocean compared to other council wastage. It also probably secure employment for 30-40 people for another year, and if we survive, for far longer. so even if it's written off, it's probably still the most successful investment in jobs the council has ever made![/p][/quote]That loan just bought more time for OK and Whitcut, which probably left the club in a worse mess and the taxpayers out of pocket. Approx 200 households in the Bradford area have funded OK, Sutcliffe and Whitcut to live it up at the Bulls, and you don't think this is a problem. The leaders at the council who authorised this have serious questions to answer, as has a Bradford MP who helped secure it. Bacon Bantam

3:42pm Thu 5 Dec 13

handoff says...

bbibby wrote:
bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
Were you there last night? If no, then find out the facts before shouting you mouth off. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself.
[quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..[/p][/quote]Were you there last night? If no, then find out the facts before shouting you mouth off. All you are doing is embarrassing yourself. handoff

3:43pm Thu 5 Dec 13

StevieLad says...

raisemeup wrote:
StevieLad wrote:
raisemeup wrote:
I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be>
If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team.
The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems.
If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again.

To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature,
So it's irrelevant.
Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.
There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'.

If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**?

You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past.

You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.
Not much! You have missed the point. Plus TVOR wrote at length about the filing of annual returns and so on. He and you aren't some kind of oracle are you. Not true about wanting to tear anyone down who criticises, it's those that criticise for the sake of either some form of character assassination, or just to be controversial..which are you>
Incidently do you see the difference in my truth and yours,? Which somewhat proves the point raised...even though my spelling was at fault.

You know why the blame game is unproductive? Because it does not alter Facts...it doesn't matter who was at fault, it will not answer the problems faced. However you stick to your viewpoint,

PS You used "us" in a sentence. Does that mean you are a season ticket holder who was also at the meeting?
I (and most of my family) are season ticket holders - but personally didn't go last night & those to whom it's relevant know why. Why'd you ask? A hypocritical prelude to your own "form of character assassination"?

TVOR was bang right on the annual return issue too & no credit nor apology given for that either if you recall. You just lambasted him for having the temerity to advise on something he knows way more about than you. Must have been frustrating.
[quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]StevieLad[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]raisemeup[/bold] wrote: I hear you all, and whilst we all feel distraught at the latest crisis. The fact remains that unless we (the writers on this forum) are in a position to do something about the financial aspects of the club, we can only accept what we have, which is not what we would like it to be> If we believe that the management and infrastructure of the club is in the best position it can be, under the dire circumstances we have found ourselves subjected to over these last few years. The choice is solely our responsibility to decide whether to support the game-the club and the current team. The blame game is totally unproductive, as it doesn't address the problems. If people don't want to have a professional RL club in Bradford, then don't support it, but do us the courtesy of choosing what we want to do to help our club to survive and hopefully one day prosper again. To castigate and criticise the past regimes, and your fellow supporters, only serves to feed those who wish us harm and would like nothing better than to see the demise of our Club. As for saying that we who wish for our continuation as a club, see things with rose tinted specs or we bury our heads in sand, well that's only an opinion via those that have always said it for whatever reason that satisfies a vindictive or mischievous nature, So it's irrelevant. Many of you ask for the truth to be told. You do know that truth is an allusion? Basically because everyone has their own perception of what that truth is or should be. Facts are more pertinent than the truth, and i felt that last night we were getting the facts. Some of it is bound to be a need to know fact, as opposed to" tell 'em everything and be dammed" certain people would still not believe them anyway.[/p][/quote]There's more to this than simply 'get behind the club'. If "the blame game is totally unproductive", why did the board itself gather season ticket holders last night and tell us the club's a mess **and it's the previous management's doing**? You dismiss out of hand any criticism as "irrelevant" and even claim "the truth is an allusion(sic)". A pretty poor attempt to deflect any argument considering your own comments in the past. You and your cronies should apologise to TVOR. His comments foreshadowed exactly this, 5 days ago, and you absolutely tore him a new one because you love to strike down anyone who doesn't tow your line. What do you think to that.[/p][/quote]Not much! You have missed the point. Plus TVOR wrote at length about the filing of annual returns and so on. He and you aren't some kind of oracle are you. Not true about wanting to tear anyone down who criticises, it's those that criticise for the sake of either some form of character assassination, or just to be controversial..which are you> Incidently do you see the difference in my truth and yours,? Which somewhat proves the point raised...even though my spelling was at fault. You know why the blame game is unproductive? Because it does not alter Facts...it doesn't matter who was at fault, it will not answer the problems faced. However you stick to your viewpoint, PS You used "us" in a sentence. Does that mean you are a season ticket holder who was also at the meeting?[/p][/quote]I (and most of my family) are season ticket holders - but personally didn't go last night & those to whom it's relevant know why. Why'd you ask? A hypocritical prelude to your own "form of character assassination"? TVOR was bang right on the annual return issue too & no credit nor apology given for that either if you recall. You just lambasted him for having the temerity to advise on something he knows way more about than you. Must have been frustrating. StevieLad

3:48pm Thu 5 Dec 13

handoff says...

Andy2010 wrote:
bbibby wrote:
bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses.

Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen.

But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world

I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs
And you would know what about running a sports club? Jack s**t I suspect. Think before you post about things you know nothing about.
[quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..[/p][/quote]They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses. Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen. But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs[/p][/quote]And you would know what about running a sports club? Jack s**t I suspect. Think before you post about things you know nothing about. handoff

4:23pm Thu 5 Dec 13

hemsworthbull formerly known as pontebull says...

Good grief, there's a lot of people on here who are experts in all finances at the bulls. If you are all experts and know everything then get off your backsides and buy a season ticket so we can help gain the club financial stability.
Good grief, there's a lot of people on here who are experts in all finances at the bulls. If you are all experts and know everything then get off your backsides and buy a season ticket so we can help gain the club financial stability. hemsworthbull formerly known as pontebull

4:29pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Andy2010 says...

handoff wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bbibby wrote:
bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses.

Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen.

But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world

I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs
And you would know what about running a sports club? Jack s**t I suspect. Think before you post about things you know nothing about.
Running a sports club no but running a business which is what BB essentially is yes.

Are you suggesting these new "owners" should not invest some of their own money in the business they took over?

Surely these clued up businessmen (who didn't know about secured loans on the club and clearly didn't do due diligence) can raise finance of a mesely £400k to continue the club. I would hazard a guess they haven't a clue what they are doing and realise as Omar did once on board that although they like the prestige of owning a club to play the big man they haven't the money to carry the club forward.

Now YOU think before you post....idiot
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..[/p][/quote]They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses. Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen. But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs[/p][/quote]And you would know what about running a sports club? Jack s**t I suspect. Think before you post about things you know nothing about.[/p][/quote]Running a sports club no but running a business which is what BB essentially is yes. Are you suggesting these new "owners" should not invest some of their own money in the business they took over? Surely these clued up businessmen (who didn't know about secured loans on the club and clearly didn't do due diligence) can raise finance of a mesely £400k to continue the club. I would hazard a guess they haven't a clue what they are doing and realise as Omar did once on board that although they like the prestige of owning a club to play the big man they haven't the money to carry the club forward. Now YOU think before you post....idiot Andy2010

6:16pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted? Thee Voice of Reason

6:43pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away.
RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away. RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake. bbibby

6:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away.
RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away. RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake. bbibby

6:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away.
RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away. RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake. bbibby

6:52pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away.
RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]They do not like the TRUTH. Keep the fans and supporters fed on a diet of lies and Spin. Just hand over your hard earned cash and keep quiet thats what the Missmanagers of Bulls expect. Hunter Paul threatened to fine the Players if they posted on Twitter while Cummins twiddled away. RFL get involved and sort this lot out ,you did support Khan and his Puppiy Whitcut. what a Big Mistake. bbibby

6:54pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Todays T&A's comment is trying to clear Khan and Sutcliffe of blame.
They ommit the most important piece on the Westfield story.
This paper is in the pocket of the council and the labour party.
Todays T&A's comment is trying to clear Khan and Sutcliffe of blame. They ommit the most important piece on the Westfield story. This paper is in the pocket of the council and the labour party. Thee Voice of Reason

6:57pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
They have just removed my post. Censorship on the T&A they do not like the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]They have just removed my post. Censorship on the T&A they do not like the truth. bbibby

6:57pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bbibby says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
They have just removed my post. Censorship on the T&A they do not like the truth.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]They have just removed my post. Censorship on the T&A they do not like the truth. bbibby

7:00pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Nick Harrison wrote:
I too was berated when I said that what we were being told was not correct by Khan et al. Apparently I am not a Bulls fan and I have a grudge against the club.

It is a mess, pure and simple. With good management it can turn around. How anyone misses a secured loan goodness only knows, but that aside, we have 3 businessmen running the show. Lets get behind them and support our team. Shed Robbie. He is a figurehead and I hazzard a guess an expensive one. Lets face it, at Huddersfield he was fantastic, average gate of 5,000, only 8,000 at the presentation of the minor championship trophy - WOW, what a fan base he developed there!

£400,000 is in business terms not a lot of money. Surely with a strong board and sound management sponsorship can be found to close the gap? If not, it is a money pit that should just call it a day. Remember though, this is the closed season, of course money will be flowing in the wrong direction. These guys cannot generate a revenue when the place is effectively closed until February. After then it is up to them to prove they can run the Bulls effectively and profitably.

COYB
Robbie Paul was a strange appointment, probably made on sentiment. I agree with your thoughts,
[quote][p][bold]Nick Harrison[/bold] wrote: I too was berated when I said that what we were being told was not correct by Khan et al. Apparently I am not a Bulls fan and I have a grudge against the club. It is a mess, pure and simple. With good management it can turn around. How anyone misses a secured loan goodness only knows, but that aside, we have 3 businessmen running the show. Lets get behind them and support our team. Shed Robbie. He is a figurehead and I hazzard a guess an expensive one. Lets face it, at Huddersfield he was fantastic, average gate of 5,000, only 8,000 at the presentation of the minor championship trophy - WOW, what a fan base he developed there! £400,000 is in business terms not a lot of money. Surely with a strong board and sound management sponsorship can be found to close the gap? If not, it is a money pit that should just call it a day. Remember though, this is the closed season, of course money will be flowing in the wrong direction. These guys cannot generate a revenue when the place is effectively closed until February. After then it is up to them to prove they can run the Bulls effectively and profitably. COYB[/p][/quote]Robbie Paul was a strange appointment, probably made on sentiment. I agree with your thoughts, Pablo

7:04pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
Hi TVOR.

I was in the middle of composing my own "I told you so" post and was cut off in my prime!

Its strange that the T&A story omitted a lot of detail.

The comments are then all deleted.

What's going on?
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]Hi TVOR. I was in the middle of composing my own "I told you so" post and was cut off in my prime! Its strange that the T&A story omitted a lot of detail. The comments are then all deleted. What's going on? Pablo

7:19pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Crusader20 says...

Pablo wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?
Hi TVOR.

I was in the middle of composing my own "I told you so" post and was cut off in my prime!

Its strange that the T&A story omitted a lot of detail.

The comments are then all deleted.

What's going on?
Censorship on here of the truth about bulls! Why am I not surprised?!
It's a shame the bulls players have loose lips & cannot help themselves by blabbering the truth about wages, threats by RHP of being fined and the hatred felt towards cummins.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Why have the comments from the other story including everything that was said at the fans forum been deleted?[/p][/quote]Hi TVOR. I was in the middle of composing my own "I told you so" post and was cut off in my prime! Its strange that the T&A story omitted a lot of detail. The comments are then all deleted. What's going on?[/p][/quote]Censorship on here of the truth about bulls! Why am I not surprised?! It's a shame the bulls players have loose lips & cannot help themselves by blabbering the truth about wages, threats by RHP of being fined and the hatred felt towards cummins. Crusader20

7:28pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Mike Strutter says...

Khan didn't have a clue how to run the club whilst Sutcliffe enjoyed schmoozing in the directors lounge.

Maybe the T & A should do a bit of digging behind the circumstances surrounding Whitcut's sudden departure.
Khan didn't have a clue how to run the club whilst Sutcliffe enjoyed schmoozing in the directors lounge. Maybe the T & A should do a bit of digging behind the circumstances surrounding Whitcut's sudden departure. Mike Strutter

7:47pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

This paper doesn't like stepping on peoples toes to find the information the people of the City should be made aware of.
Look at the Flowers story, simply locked down to comments and believed as gospel yesterday with such a joke excuse as not to cause embarrassment (to whom, the labour party)
Westfield, constantly towing the line. You'd think after 10 years of delays they would be demanding answers but no, releasing snippets of irrelvant news as big stories.
Then this, totally vague omitting pretty much 90% of what was said yesterday and writing an editorial comment to keep Khan and Sutcliffe happy and portraying them as saviours. No questions on the council loan or details on the sudden departures just accepting an ill health excuse.
This paper doesn't like stepping on peoples toes to find the information the people of the City should be made aware of. Look at the Flowers story, simply locked down to comments and believed as gospel yesterday with such a joke excuse as not to cause embarrassment (to whom, the labour party) Westfield, constantly towing the line. You'd think after 10 years of delays they would be demanding answers but no, releasing snippets of irrelvant news as big stories. Then this, totally vague omitting pretty much 90% of what was said yesterday and writing an editorial comment to keep Khan and Sutcliffe happy and portraying them as saviours. No questions on the council loan or details on the sudden departures just accepting an ill health excuse. Thee Voice of Reason

8:08pm Thu 5 Dec 13

chapel house bantam says...

A very intelligent man called Chris Caisley bailed out of the Bulls when they were one of most successful teams in the world.I wonder why?
A very intelligent man called Chris Caisley bailed out of the Bulls when they were one of most successful teams in the world.I wonder why? chapel house bantam

8:32pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Pablo says...

Will we ever learn the truth?

If what's been reported, is true, it's scandalous and individuals must be held to account.

However, when did the current board become aware of the latest cash crisis? They've been recruiting backroom staff as though we're swimming in cash. We've just jetted in a new recruit from the other side of the world and FC has this week been talking about signing a couple of World Cup players. All this In the midst of another financial meltdown. Talk about Nero fiddling...!

We blunder from one crisis to another. If the Bradford Bulls was a dog, we'd have been put down on humane grounds.
Will we ever learn the truth? If what's been reported, is true, it's scandalous and individuals must be held to account. However, when did the current board become aware of the latest cash crisis? They've been recruiting backroom staff as though we're swimming in cash. We've just jetted in a new recruit from the other side of the world and FC has this week been talking about signing a couple of World Cup players. All this In the midst of another financial meltdown. Talk about Nero fiddling...! We blunder from one crisis to another. If the Bradford Bulls was a dog, we'd have been put down on humane grounds. Pablo

10:17pm Thu 5 Dec 13

christinetowell456@btinternet.com says...

sat here reading about the bulls yet again makes you wonder just what is going on
sat here reading about the bulls yet again makes you wonder just what is going on christinetowell456@btinternet.com

10:25pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Parz wrote:
By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.
At least he got one thing right the cryptic analogy with my pseudoname Arm and a Leg.

He called it ARMAGEDDON.

Spot on Brian.

The nastiness as outlined by Stevie lad displayed towards those in the know as TVOR and others have been for 16 months is there for all of yu to see.

To Sheffield Dull,Raisemeup,Vikin
g,Mumby et al.

WE TOLD YOU SO.

I advised playing kids for 2 years and taking survival in September 2012.

Instead the Bulls continue to try live the dream.Finish 9th.Lose the players anyway.And end up owing millions again with not a sausage to sell.

STUPID STUPID PEOPLE.
And the man Raisemeup has all this time eulogised at these muppets who have never been businessmen.
Lets face it Gerry Sutcliffe sat at the top table in a government that has bankrupted Britain.

The only way I see is to start again.

At the bottom.

Whch is where the club is nowRock bottom.
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.[/p][/quote]At least he got one thing right the cryptic analogy with my pseudoname Arm and a Leg. He called it ARMAGEDDON. Spot on Brian. The nastiness as outlined by Stevie lad displayed towards those in the know as TVOR and others have been for 16 months is there for all of yu to see. To Sheffield Dull,Raisemeup,Vikin g,Mumby et al. WE TOLD YOU SO. I advised playing kids for 2 years and taking survival in September 2012. Instead the Bulls continue to try live the dream.Finish 9th.Lose the players anyway.And end up owing millions again with not a sausage to sell. STUPID STUPID PEOPLE. And the man Raisemeup has all this time eulogised at these muppets who have never been businessmen. Lets face it Gerry Sutcliffe sat at the top table in a government that has bankrupted Britain. The only way I see is to start again. At the bottom. Whch is where the club is nowRock bottom. Ahrmen Aleg

10:58pm Thu 5 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

handoff wrote:
Andy2010 wrote:
bbibby wrote:
bingleymoor wrote:
About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base.
That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.
Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..
They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses.

Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen.

But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world

I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs
And you would know what about running a sports club? Jack s**t I suspect. Think before you post about things you know nothing about.
di-ckhead.
they obviously know same as you.
nothing.
[quote][p][bold]handoff[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Andy2010[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bbibby[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bingleymoor[/bold] wrote: About 14 months ago I offered my opinions about the Bulls and was attacked by someone called Viking. I am not a Bulls fan but am a sports fan and pro Bradford despite the woeful efforts of our Council over the years. Last year I said from a business point of view the only way forward for the Bulls was to drop out of the Super League and go part time, build new foundations and then take advantage of the proposed promotion/ relegation system on the back of a sound fan base. That didn't happen and you reap what you sow. It seems to me that todays news simply puts off another admin and as has been suggested on this site trading whilst insolvent is a criminal offence, if that is what is going on. Either way it seems the new Board/ owners don't have the clout to survive very long.[/p][/quote]Yes I too was attacked by Viking and his followers. Where have all the attack dogs gone??. We still have not been told the Truth!, the management have been putting a spin an everything and should resign. The R F L need to step in and sort the mess out. Not so long ago we had posts praising Khan and his puppy Whitcut , well. now it seems opinion has changed. No loan to be repaid ? What will Khan do ? I suspect there is much more to come out what you say Viking???..[/p][/quote]They are too busy selecting a new tint of rose for their glasses. Here's a barmy idea though to save the club and jobs. Why dont these three idiots stump up £400k themselves to finance the club. In business terms that isnt a lot of money for real businessmen. But then again for these three jokers who havent a penny to rub together but like to pretend they have its the world I guarantee give it 6 months before they leave the club with their tails between their legs[/p][/quote]And you would know what about running a sports club? Jack s**t I suspect. Think before you post about things you know nothing about.[/p][/quote]di-ckhead. they obviously know same as you. nothing. tinytoonster

11:03pm Thu 5 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Its a shame none of the current board have a vast amount of money to fund the club. If anyone does have, then let them come forward. In the meantime we'll just have to cut our cloth accordingly. The present board will do their best. Hope the players and supporters will too.

Can't see many players leaving. Unless somebody invests in the London Broncos who need to buy an entire squad before the start of the season!!. Leeds might come in for Kearney. Other than can't see many going. Most other clubs are up to their limits or don't have the cash either. The present squad looks pretty good. If we can can get to start of the season think we'll have a good one.

Some people seem to be under the impression that a season ticket is somehow a guarantee of 13 home wins. RL is a sport, we either win, lose or draw. You don't know what's going to happen when you walk through the turnstiles. If you're only interested in watching a winning team then I'd suggest you look elsewhere. If you support the Bulls through thick and thin, like I do, then a season ticket is a great way to do it. You haven't lost money. You still get to watch 13 home games and all the emotions that go with it.

If anyone out there thinks they can run the club better than the current board, then let them prove it. Now is the time to Put up or Shut up. If you're not happy and think you can do a better job then lets see it. In the meantime COYB
Its a shame none of the current board have a vast amount of money to fund the club. If anyone does have, then let them come forward. In the meantime we'll just have to cut our cloth accordingly. The present board will do their best. Hope the players and supporters will too. Can't see many players leaving. Unless somebody invests in the London Broncos who need to buy an entire squad before the start of the season!!. Leeds might come in for Kearney. Other than can't see many going. Most other clubs are up to their limits or don't have the cash either. The present squad looks pretty good. If we can can get to start of the season think we'll have a good one. Some people seem to be under the impression that a season ticket is somehow a guarantee of 13 home wins. RL is a sport, we either win, lose or draw. You don't know what's going to happen when you walk through the turnstiles. If you're only interested in watching a winning team then I'd suggest you look elsewhere. If you support the Bulls through thick and thin, like I do, then a season ticket is a great way to do it. You haven't lost money. You still get to watch 13 home games and all the emotions that go with it. If anyone out there thinks they can run the club better than the current board, then let them prove it. Now is the time to Put up or Shut up. If you're not happy and think you can do a better job then lets see it. In the meantime COYB bradfordbronco

11:24pm Thu 5 Dec 13

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen.
Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.
Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen. Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over. Thee Voice of Reason

1:28am Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen.
Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.
The sound bite lies that kept coming from Whitcut make me shiver.

All is well.

HMRC winding up petition.......his "oversight"

OK has invested a million from his property portfolio to pay the wages for july and august to save the Bulls.What property portfolio?Those portakabins on the Western Terrace?

Wages late.....his oversight.

Perhaps he should have kept those sunglasses over his eyes instead of on his head.He might have seen the picture it better.

I saw the warnings with these fairy heads.This time last year sending a 5 man delegation to Quatar to oggle at a £1000 million cost sports village.
Which the dreamers dreamed for Odsal when they had not two halfpence to rub between them nor he brains to even put Anderson Shelter together (which is all they could afford.....reclaimed
)

A pop concert with yesterdays heroes of 30 years ago.Loses £100000.And still the shades on the head.As Leeds Arena rocks to EltonJohn,Leonard Cohen and the Stereophonics.

A history of shady business dealings that I warned you of.Lister Mansion Hotel I told you allWhat a story of pass the sinking parcel that was.From OK to Whitcut to No cut.

And here we have the dreamers again.
Taking in the gullible believe everything,hate all trolls,hate everyone who disagrees that "All is well"The Sheff Dull The Brians The Vikings "Were In the money" he would bait, the Mumbys.

Spend Spend Spend went up the Viv Nicholson cry.She had money then she had none.

So now its back to prudence ala Hood.We will not spend more than we earn say the new board.

It a long time before they can till February when the players start getting paid again
Every sensible suggestion made to Sutcliffe was ignored.

What should I or others have expected really.

Lunatcs and Madness.

But some preferred to label me and TVOR with that label.

I guess its still all our fault.

MEA CULPA

Start again with a parachute payment to the Championship.With kds and a shared ground.

Not a run down dilapidated money pit that once held 100000 and now will be lucky to find 5000.
Put the 70 year dream to bed.Odsal will never be the Norths Wembley.

Valley Parade stands GibbsPension Fund at £2 million.

Oh the power and the Glory such weak minded crave and follow.

And are all too often found to be made of straw.

RIP the Bulls.

Long live Bradford Northern.

The new club is coming.
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen. Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.[/p][/quote]The sound bite lies that kept coming from Whitcut make me shiver. All is well. HMRC winding up petition.......his "oversight" OK has invested a million from his property portfolio to pay the wages for july and august to save the Bulls.What property portfolio?Those portakabins on the Western Terrace? Wages late.....his oversight. Perhaps he should have kept those sunglasses over his eyes instead of on his head.He might have seen the picture it better. I saw the warnings with these fairy heads.This time last year sending a 5 man delegation to Quatar to oggle at a £1000 million cost sports village. Which the dreamers dreamed for Odsal when they had not two halfpence to rub between them nor he brains to even put Anderson Shelter together (which is all they could afford.....reclaimed ) A pop concert with yesterdays heroes of 30 years ago.Loses £100000.And still the shades on the head.As Leeds Arena rocks to EltonJohn,Leonard Cohen and the Stereophonics. A history of shady business dealings that I warned you of.Lister Mansion Hotel I told you allWhat a story of pass the sinking parcel that was.From OK to Whitcut to No cut. And here we have the dreamers again. Taking in the gullible believe everything,hate all trolls,hate everyone who disagrees that "All is well"The Sheff Dull The Brians The Vikings "Were In the money" he would bait, the Mumbys. Spend Spend Spend went up the Viv Nicholson cry.She had money then she had none. So now its back to prudence ala Hood.We will not spend more than we earn say the new board. It a long time before they can till February when the players start getting paid again Every sensible suggestion made to Sutcliffe was ignored. What should I or others have expected really. Lunatcs and Madness. But some preferred to label me and TVOR with that label. I guess its still all our fault. MEA CULPA Start again with a parachute payment to the Championship.With kds and a shared ground. Not a run down dilapidated money pit that once held 100000 and now will be lucky to find 5000. Put the 70 year dream to bed.Odsal will never be the Norths Wembley. Valley Parade stands GibbsPension Fund at £2 million. Oh the power and the Glory such weak minded crave and follow. And are all too often found to be made of straw. RIP the Bulls. Long live Bradford Northern. The new club is coming. Ahrmen Aleg

10:00am Fri 6 Dec 13

Parz says...

Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Parz wrote: By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.
At least he got one thing right the cryptic analogy with my pseudoname Arm and a Leg. He called it ARMAGEDDON. Spot on Brian. The nastiness as outlined by Stevie lad displayed towards those in the know as TVOR and others have been for 16 months is there for all of yu to see. To Sheffield Dull,Raisemeup,Vikin g,Mumby et al. WE TOLD YOU SO. I advised playing kids for 2 years and taking survival in September 2012. Instead the Bulls continue to try live the dream.Finish 9th.Lose the players anyway.And end up owing millions again with not a sausage to sell. STUPID STUPID PEOPLE. And the man Raisemeup has all this time eulogised at these muppets who have never been businessmen. Lets face it Gerry Sutcliffe sat at the top table in a government that has bankrupted Britain. The only way I see is to start again. At the bottom. Whch is where the club is nowRock bottom.
Who's Brian?
[quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.[/p][/quote]At least he got one thing right the cryptic analogy with my pseudoname Arm and a Leg. He called it ARMAGEDDON. Spot on Brian. The nastiness as outlined by Stevie lad displayed towards those in the know as TVOR and others have been for 16 months is there for all of yu to see. To Sheffield Dull,Raisemeup,Vikin g,Mumby et al. WE TOLD YOU SO. I advised playing kids for 2 years and taking survival in September 2012. Instead the Bulls continue to try live the dream.Finish 9th.Lose the players anyway.And end up owing millions again with not a sausage to sell. STUPID STUPID PEOPLE. And the man Raisemeup has all this time eulogised at these muppets who have never been businessmen. Lets face it Gerry Sutcliffe sat at the top table in a government that has bankrupted Britain. The only way I see is to start again. At the bottom. Whch is where the club is nowRock bottom.[/p][/quote]Who's Brian? Parz

2:29pm Fri 6 Dec 13

Ahrmen Aleg says...

Parz wrote:
Ahrmen Aleg wrote:
Parz wrote: By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.
At least he got one thing right the cryptic analogy with my pseudoname Arm and a Leg. He called it ARMAGEDDON. Spot on Brian. The nastiness as outlined by Stevie lad displayed towards those in the know as TVOR and others have been for 16 months is there for all of yu to see. To Sheffield Dull,Raisemeup,Vikin g,Mumby et al. WE TOLD YOU SO. I advised playing kids for 2 years and taking survival in September 2012. Instead the Bulls continue to try live the dream.Finish 9th.Lose the players anyway.And end up owing millions again with not a sausage to sell. STUPID STUPID PEOPLE. And the man Raisemeup has all this time eulogised at these muppets who have never been businessmen. Lets face it Gerry Sutcliffe sat at the top table in a government that has bankrupted Britain. The only way I see is to start again. At the bottom. Whch is where the club is nowRock bottom.
Who's Brian?
Sorry Parz I liked the wrong quote.
Brian is the Rhino mans pet name for Raisemeup,someone who has continualy backed the manner in which various ncumbents from Chris Caisley to OK have run the Bulls.
I detect you like me are pretty disgusted at how he Bulls have been run.

I get the feeling the new man Andrew Calvert understands the gravity.

It will be severe austerity now for many years to come.

The Bulls have now wracked up £1.2 million in debt in 15 months and more is still coming out of the woodwork daily.

Can you do the maths for me on the back of a fag packet?

If you have wages bill of £220000 a month (players are paid to the end of November only).
The club sold 6000 season tickets approximately though some will no doubt have been conessionry.
Average pay on the door for 13 home games about 2000 last year.

Provident and other sponsor income?Guess.

Gound repair and other expenses?

It is quite clear that on those budgets for wages crowds would need to be each and every week well over 10000.
And that the bars would not lose money (which they did by opening all day) the concert lost £100000 plus (Rick Astley "the only way is up") and much other nonsense uneccesary expenditure you create a very black hole.

Everyone who looked at the books under Guilfole ran a mile.

OK clearly lived wit head in the clouds.
Or in some other sanctimonious place.

Please renew as all Bullites should.
This Mr Calvert clearly knows the medicine required.

It will be no more upsetting than seeing a very well paid Bulls squad have 70 put past them by Hull at home last year or be humiliated by largely home grown kids at home to London this year.

I tried to warn them.
So you too were disgusted at times.

They failed to heed.

This lot will have to.

You can only pay what you can afford without a Ken Davey.

How cheeky of GS and OK to start begging Akbars for further donations when OK classes all the money he allegedly put in as LOAN.

I guess the issued share capital would reflect this but with an overdue annual return perhaps they have forgotten who put in what and have not even filled the share certificates in yet.

What is certain is that OK had until 2015 o pay the final £100000 to the administrater.

You may recall I predicted OK would lose his investment in the Bulls before he had even paid the price for it and that has come true.

An interesting one for the lawyers that.40 per cent of the purchase price is still owed.So OK has only an equitable interest of 60 pc.
Assuming GS IG and others did not stick a bit of their taxpayer funded salaries and expenses in at the outset.

Remember Ok was paying for his investment at £25000a month.
And reneged on that last January citing dispute.
Wonder if he was paying for his investment from the gate receipts of the 2000.
Now that really would be the pits.

But I would rule out nothing given the forum touched on recovery procedures for money from previous incumbents.

Dreadfull shocking story and whilst I have not read yesterdays editorial if Perry Austin Clark believes all that happened was right in terms of GS and OK he clearly then lives in cuckoo.

Ay team out on the park in RAB will be a bonus now
[quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ahrmen Aleg[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Parz[/bold] wrote: By 'eck, it's hard work being a Bulls fan sometimes.[/p][/quote]At least he got one thing right the cryptic analogy with my pseudoname Arm and a Leg. He called it ARMAGEDDON. Spot on Brian. The nastiness as outlined by Stevie lad displayed towards those in the know as TVOR and others have been for 16 months is there for all of yu to see. To Sheffield Dull,Raisemeup,Vikin g,Mumby et al. WE TOLD YOU SO. I advised playing kids for 2 years and taking survival in September 2012. Instead the Bulls continue to try live the dream.Finish 9th.Lose the players anyway.And end up owing millions again with not a sausage to sell. STUPID STUPID PEOPLE. And the man Raisemeup has all this time eulogised at these muppets who have never been businessmen. Lets face it Gerry Sutcliffe sat at the top table in a government that has bankrupted Britain. The only way I see is to start again. At the bottom. Whch is where the club is nowRock bottom.[/p][/quote]Who's Brian?[/p][/quote]Sorry Parz I liked the wrong quote. Brian is the Rhino mans pet name for Raisemeup,someone who has continualy backed the manner in which various ncumbents from Chris Caisley to OK have run the Bulls. I detect you like me are pretty disgusted at how he Bulls have been run. I get the feeling the new man Andrew Calvert understands the gravity. It will be severe austerity now for many years to come. The Bulls have now wracked up £1.2 million in debt in 15 months and more is still coming out of the woodwork daily. Can you do the maths for me on the back of a fag packet? If you have wages bill of £220000 a month (players are paid to the end of November only). The club sold 6000 season tickets approximately though some will no doubt have been conessionry. Average pay on the door for 13 home games about 2000 last year. Provident and other sponsor income?Guess. Gound repair and other expenses? It is quite clear that on those budgets for wages crowds would need to be each and every week well over 10000. And that the bars would not lose money (which they did by opening all day) the concert lost £100000 plus (Rick Astley "the only way is up") and much other nonsense uneccesary expenditure you create a very black hole. Everyone who looked at the books under Guilfole ran a mile. OK clearly lived wit head in the clouds. Or in some other sanctimonious place. Please renew as all Bullites should. This Mr Calvert clearly knows the medicine required. It will be no more upsetting than seeing a very well paid Bulls squad have 70 put past them by Hull at home last year or be humiliated by largely home grown kids at home to London this year. I tried to warn them. So you too were disgusted at times. They failed to heed. This lot will have to. You can only pay what you can afford without a Ken Davey. How cheeky of GS and OK to start begging Akbars for further donations when OK classes all the money he allegedly put in as LOAN. I guess the issued share capital would reflect this but with an overdue annual return perhaps they have forgotten who put in what and have not even filled the share certificates in yet. What is certain is that OK had until 2015 o pay the final £100000 to the administrater. You may recall I predicted OK would lose his investment in the Bulls before he had even paid the price for it and that has come true. An interesting one for the lawyers that.40 per cent of the purchase price is still owed.So OK has only an equitable interest of 60 pc. Assuming GS IG and others did not stick a bit of their taxpayer funded salaries and expenses in at the outset. Remember Ok was paying for his investment at £25000a month. And reneged on that last January citing dispute. Wonder if he was paying for his investment from the gate receipts of the 2000. Now that really would be the pits. But I would rule out nothing given the forum touched on recovery procedures for money from previous incumbents. Dreadfull shocking story and whilst I have not read yesterdays editorial if Perry Austin Clark believes all that happened was right in terms of GS and OK he clearly then lives in cuckoo. Ay team out on the park in RAB will be a bonus now Ahrmen Aleg

2:39pm Fri 6 Dec 13

axelf1963 says...

TVOR We told them this months ago why did VIKING ( Lord Lucan ) shout us down all the time ? WE know more than the lot of them put together.
I have heard VIKING is having SHEFFDULL surgically removed as we speak.
TVOR We told them this months ago why did VIKING ( Lord Lucan ) shout us down all the time ? WE know more than the lot of them put together. I have heard VIKING is having SHEFFDULL surgically removed as we speak. axelf1963

7:25pm Sat 7 Dec 13

SheilaBull says...

Why are we living in cloud cuckoo land. No one is going to invest in the bulls because they love the game but to make a return or the potential to make a return. The present incumbents haven't put anything in to the club and are trying to renegade on a contract they signed to repay OK an agreed amount. They knew at the outset the financials situation the bulls were in and the financial situation the bulls would be going forward.
So all this that the previous board had taken out loans to keep the club afloat, surely they would have known about that and so what they took out loans to keep the club from going bust.

What we need is true supporters to come forward and form a consortium to run the club for the best interest of the club and not for their pockets.
Why are we living in cloud cuckoo land. No one is going to invest in the bulls because they love the game but to make a return or the potential to make a return. The present incumbents haven't put anything in to the club and are trying to renegade on a contract they signed to repay OK an agreed amount. They knew at the outset the financials situation the bulls were in and the financial situation the bulls would be going forward. So all this that the previous board had taken out loans to keep the club afloat, surely they would have known about that and so what they took out loans to keep the club from going bust. What we need is true supporters to come forward and form a consortium to run the club for the best interest of the club and not for their pockets. SheilaBull

10:08pm Sat 7 Dec 13

Alhaurinrhino says...

Stick a fork in the Bulls, they're well and truly done.
Stick a fork in the Bulls, they're well and truly done. Alhaurinrhino

9:22pm Sun 8 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen.
Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.
Hi TVOR. No it didn't come as "quite a surprise" to me. I am fully aware of the Bulls financial problems. We don't have a sugar daddy bailing us out. Therefore we need to watch the pennies. I've been saying that for a long time. Every time someone has called for more players i've told them we have more than enough and can't afford any more. The difference between you and me is I try to find solutions to the problems not just keep stating that we're all doomed and offer no ideas how to improve the situation. I think you stated we are going into administration you had sources to back it up . Well guess what we're NOT in administration. Bet that came as quite a shock to you. In other words YOU WERE WRONG. !!
[quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen. Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.[/p][/quote]Hi TVOR. No it didn't come as "quite a surprise" to me. I am fully aware of the Bulls financial problems. We don't have a sugar daddy bailing us out. Therefore we need to watch the pennies. I've been saying that for a long time. Every time someone has called for more players i've told them we have more than enough and can't afford any more. The difference between you and me is I try to find solutions to the problems not just keep stating that we're all doomed and offer no ideas how to improve the situation. I think you stated we are going into administration you had sources to back it up . Well guess what we're NOT in administration. Bet that came as quite a shock to you. In other words YOU WERE WRONG. !! bradfordbronco

11:57am Mon 9 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

bradfordbronco wrote:
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen.
Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.
Hi TVOR. No it didn't come as "quite a surprise" to me. I am fully aware of the Bulls financial problems. We don't have a sugar daddy bailing us out. Therefore we need to watch the pennies. I've been saying that for a long time. Every time someone has called for more players i've told them we have more than enough and can't afford any more. The difference between you and me is I try to find solutions to the problems not just keep stating that we're all doomed and offer no ideas how to improve the situation. I think you stated we are going into administration you had sources to back it up . Well guess what we're NOT in administration. Bet that came as quite a shock to you. In other words YOU WERE WRONG. !!
YET.

Get your head out of the sand man.
[quote][p][bold]bradfordbronco[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Thee Voice of Reason[/bold] wrote: Hello Bradfordbronco. This must have come as a bit of a shock. I tried to tell you what was round the corner but problem is people don't listen. Twice in 2 years the club has been run into the ground and the fans have say by and not questioned anything. If it happens again then thats game over.[/p][/quote]Hi TVOR. No it didn't come as "quite a surprise" to me. I am fully aware of the Bulls financial problems. We don't have a sugar daddy bailing us out. Therefore we need to watch the pennies. I've been saying that for a long time. Every time someone has called for more players i've told them we have more than enough and can't afford any more. The difference between you and me is I try to find solutions to the problems not just keep stating that we're all doomed and offer no ideas how to improve the situation. I think you stated we are going into administration you had sources to back it up . Well guess what we're NOT in administration. Bet that came as quite a shock to you. In other words YOU WERE WRONG. !![/p][/quote]YET. Get your head out of the sand man. Prisoner Cell Block A

10:51pm Mon 9 Dec 13

bradfordbronco says...

Sorry mate, get your facts right. If somebody states the club is going into administration Then they should at least wait until they have done so before claiming i told you so. The facts are the club hasn't gone into administration YET. So hold your fire on the" I told you so" arguments. If I stated last week that we WOULD'T be in administration then I'd be right and others would be wrong until the facts prove otherwise. I'm not really interested in the" I told you all arguments" and "aren't I a clever dick" Most people realises that the club that is rebuilding after going into administration and without a financial backer is going to struggle. Tell us something we DON'T already know then i'd be impressed!!
Sorry mate, get your facts right. If somebody states the club is going into administration Then they should at least wait until they have done so before claiming i told you so. The facts are the club hasn't gone into administration YET. So hold your fire on the" I told you so" arguments. If I stated last week that we WOULD'T be in administration then I'd be right and others would be wrong until the facts prove otherwise. I'm not really interested in the" I told you all arguments" and "aren't I a clever dick" Most people realises that the club that is rebuilding after going into administration and without a financial backer is going to struggle. Tell us something we DON'T already know then i'd be impressed!! bradfordbronco

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