Reid not guilty! Bantams boss prepares case for winger’s defence after seeing red over yellow card decisions

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Phil Parkinson is compiling video proof to demonstrate that Kyel Reid is no serial diver.

The City boss is still fuming over his side’s three penalty claims that were ignored in Sunday’s draw at Oldham.

Two of them were for challenges on Reid – who was booked for “simulation” by referee David Webb after the second incident when he appeared to be nudged from behind by Sidney Schmeltz.

Reid was also yellow-carded for the same reason against Wolves at Valley Parade in October when he went tumbling in a clash with goalkeeper Carl Ikeme.

Speaking to the Telegraph & Argus after that game, Reid feared that he might be getting a reputation with officials for going down easily, like Gareth Bale last season or Ashley Young.

Parkinson is growing increasingly fed up with what he sees as unfair treatment for the winger and plans to tackle the issue head on.

He intends to highlight those three incidents plus another involving Reid at Gillingham on a DVD to send to Football League referees supremo David Allison.

And he is even considering making it public to ensure Reid does not get tainted because of his double booking for diving.

Parkinson said: “I’m going to send something to Dave Allison about the four instances and let the refs view them.

“I might do it on one of these websites where everybody can look at them as well.

“If you look at the Wolves one, it was almost laughable that a penalty wasn’t given that day. The Gillingham one (when City claimed Reid was clipped by defender Leon Legge) was the same – they were two of the clearest penalties you’ll see.

“Reidy does not dive. It’s not true, absolutely.

“He is a sharp player and he’s coming up against a lot of big, cumbersome defenders.

“But other than speak to Dave Allison, what more can we do?

“We never tell our players to dive. We want them to be honest and I think we should get our rewards for that.”

Reid previously told the T&A: “If you get contact, sometimes you can’t help but fall over. If you are off balance and get caught, there’s no way you can stand up.

“I’m not going to try to cheat to help my team. But if I’m in that area and get nudged and feel that I can’t keep my balance, then it’s fair to go down.”

City have been awarded only one spot-kick all season – and that was for handball.

Nahki Wells converted the stoppage-time penalty to rescue a draw against Coventry in their televised thriller last month.

Parkinson thinks the speedy Wells, who had the other claim rejected at Boundary Park, and Reid are being short-changed by officials.

He said: “It seems to be quite topical about players diving. Refs can’t wait to book someone for going down – how about they give a few more penalties for a change?”

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8:18am Tue 3 Dec 13

macca1969 says...

Depends how we see them as we all see things differently. I personally thought it looked a dive against Wolverhampton, I couldn't see the first on Sunday as it was at the other end but tbh he did look to be nudged in the back for the second. As gor Wells it was a stonewall penalty all day. Also something parky should be raising is how is hanson continually fouled in the area and nothing given. He has one backing in to him and one with his arms round him yo the point he cant move. He should be getting 3 or 4 penalties a game
Depends how we see them as we all see things differently. I personally thought it looked a dive against Wolverhampton, I couldn't see the first on Sunday as it was at the other end but tbh he did look to be nudged in the back for the second. As gor Wells it was a stonewall penalty all day. Also something parky should be raising is how is hanson continually fouled in the area and nothing given. He has one backing in to him and one with his arms round him yo the point he cant move. He should be getting 3 or 4 penalties a game macca1969

9:05am Tue 3 Dec 13

djmoulson says...

Two points to make here, one is that with all this publicity opposition players could be lead to foul more on our quicker players as they are being looked at as divers instead of the opposite, secondly I was right in front of the third claim on Sunday and Reid fell too easily in my opinion, and then looked round for the decision, if he IS fouled and has no option but to fall then I suggest he just keeps his head down until the ref makes his decision, he'll not be seen as looking for it then. CTID
Two points to make here, one is that with all this publicity opposition players could be lead to foul more on our quicker players as they are being looked at as divers instead of the opposite, secondly I was right in front of the third claim on Sunday and Reid fell too easily in my opinion, and then looked round for the decision, if he IS fouled and has no option but to fall then I suggest he just keeps his head down until the ref makes his decision, he'll not be seen as looking for it then. CTID djmoulson

10:07am Tue 3 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

macca1969 wrote:
Depends how we see them as we all see things differently. I personally thought it looked a dive against Wolverhampton, I couldn't see the first on Sunday as it was at the other end but tbh he did look to be nudged in the back for the second. As gor Wells it was a stonewall penalty all day. Also something parky should be raising is how is hanson continually fouled in the area and nothing given. He has one backing in to him and one with his arms round him yo the point he cant move. He should be getting 3 or 4 penalties a game
Every club thinks they are badly done to. Graham Westley called in a referees assessor after his team played City. He claimed Stevenage were not given a definite penalty.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: Depends how we see them as we all see things differently. I personally thought it looked a dive against Wolverhampton, I couldn't see the first on Sunday as it was at the other end but tbh he did look to be nudged in the back for the second. As gor Wells it was a stonewall penalty all day. Also something parky should be raising is how is hanson continually fouled in the area and nothing given. He has one backing in to him and one with his arms round him yo the point he cant move. He should be getting 3 or 4 penalties a game[/p][/quote]Every club thinks they are badly done to. Graham Westley called in a referees assessor after his team played City. He claimed Stevenage were not given a definite penalty. Peter300

10:15am Tue 3 Dec 13

Peter300 says...

djmoulson wrote:
Two points to make here, one is that with all this publicity opposition players could be lead to foul more on our quicker players as they are being looked at as divers instead of the opposite, secondly I was right in front of the third claim on Sunday and Reid fell too easily in my opinion, and then looked round for the decision, if he IS fouled and has no option but to fall then I suggest he just keeps his head down until the ref makes his decision, he'll not be seen as looking for it then. CTID
Everybody has a complaint. Oscar v West Brom, Wellbeck v Spurs. etc. etc.
I'm positv like, that thereallyrealcitygen
t person wil hav summat to said abaat it b4 2 long. No doubt he will use his extended vocabulary and mastery of the English language to make his point.
[quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: Two points to make here, one is that with all this publicity opposition players could be lead to foul more on our quicker players as they are being looked at as divers instead of the opposite, secondly I was right in front of the third claim on Sunday and Reid fell too easily in my opinion, and then looked round for the decision, if he IS fouled and has no option but to fall then I suggest he just keeps his head down until the ref makes his decision, he'll not be seen as looking for it then. CTID[/p][/quote]Everybody has a complaint. Oscar v West Brom, Wellbeck v Spurs. etc. etc. I'm positv like, that thereallyrealcitygen t person wil hav summat to said abaat it b4 2 long. No doubt he will use his extended vocabulary and mastery of the English language to make his point. Peter300

11:06am Tue 3 Dec 13

dannbradfc says...

reid as undountedly both gone down easily and been geniuely fouled but not given a penalty on many occasions.

Against Coventry he was definately clipped in the box whilst beating their defender but stayed up and got nothing. Thus its in a players mind to go down. I personally don't like it and Reid as been guilty of looking like he's gone down far too easily on many occasions imo. I'd rather he concentrate on getting the shot away. However this also raises the issue why would he go down if he has a scoring opportunity? Its very difficult for the ref's when players are running at full pelt but if a player is seen going down too many times then the ref will cast doubt on genuine fouls. How a player falls also adds to this. On the footage i've seen Reid should have had a least one definate pen against Oldham when their centre-half clips him. But the ref was using past experiences with the player to make a judgement. That shouldn't be the case but i guess this particular ref is wary of been conned.

How many complained when Edinho used to dive all over the place? i just found it funny but he used to get pens. More recently Devitt was a terrible diver.

The only way of helping the ref is video technology and instant decisions for anything in the box. Even then some of these decisions will be contentious......

I'd advise reidy to always try to get the shot away
reid as undountedly both gone down easily and been geniuely fouled but not given a penalty on many occasions. Against Coventry he was definately clipped in the box whilst beating their defender but stayed up and got nothing. Thus its in a players mind to go down. I personally don't like it and Reid as been guilty of looking like he's gone down far too easily on many occasions imo. I'd rather he concentrate on getting the shot away. However this also raises the issue why would he go down if he has a scoring opportunity? Its very difficult for the ref's when players are running at full pelt but if a player is seen going down too many times then the ref will cast doubt on genuine fouls. How a player falls also adds to this. On the footage i've seen Reid should have had a least one definate pen against Oldham when their centre-half clips him. But the ref was using past experiences with the player to make a judgement. That shouldn't be the case but i guess this particular ref is wary of been conned. How many complained when Edinho used to dive all over the place? i just found it funny but he used to get pens. More recently Devitt was a terrible diver. The only way of helping the ref is video technology and instant decisions for anything in the box. Even then some of these decisions will be contentious...... I'd advise reidy to always try to get the shot away dannbradfc

11:44am Tue 3 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Think most are missing the point, Parky would not be compiling a video of evidence if it proved Reid was going down too easily or diving. He has had the opportunity most of us haven't which is to watch it time and again in slo-mo and close up and thinks there is value in sending it to the ref's supremo.

This basically should stop the 'does he, doesn't he' dive discussions amongst us fans at least. He wouldn't provide a damning video would he?
Think most are missing the point, Parky would not be compiling a video of evidence if it proved Reid was going down too easily or diving. He has had the opportunity most of us haven't which is to watch it time and again in slo-mo and close up and thinks there is value in sending it to the ref's supremo. This basically should stop the 'does he, doesn't he' dive discussions amongst us fans at least. He wouldn't provide a damning video would he? Prisoner Cell Block A

12:08pm Tue 3 Dec 13

macca1969 says...

The ref on sunday was hopeless. He gave a soft yellow against mcardle and then had to book their centrt half for a slightly worse offence. That same centre back then made another far worse and dangerous tackle that was a yellow all day long. Did he book him and send him off, no he bottled it. If that had been mcardle I bet he would have received his marching orders.

By the way Peter pay your money and watch city if you want anyone to take you serious you are a clown
The ref on sunday was hopeless. He gave a soft yellow against mcardle and then had to book their centrt half for a slightly worse offence. That same centre back then made another far worse and dangerous tackle that was a yellow all day long. Did he book him and send him off, no he bottled it. If that had been mcardle I bet he would have received his marching orders. By the way Peter pay your money and watch city if you want anyone to take you serious you are a clown macca1969

12:57pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Michael Clayton says...

macca1969 wrote:
The ref on sunday was hopeless. He gave a soft yellow against mcardle and then had to book their centrt half for a slightly worse offence. That same centre back then made another far worse and dangerous tackle that was a yellow all day long. Did he book him and send him off, no he bottled it. If that had been mcardle I bet he would have received his marching orders. By the way Peter pay your money and watch city if you want anyone to take you serious you are a clown
You are describing whether the team are actually hard done by and you have supported this with specific examples.

Peter stated: "Every club thinks that they are badly done to".

There is an inevitable amount of bias so I think that it is a fair enough point. Whether or not Peter attends matches does not really matter as all he is doing is to provide an interpretation that is hard to dispute.
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: The ref on sunday was hopeless. He gave a soft yellow against mcardle and then had to book their centrt half for a slightly worse offence. That same centre back then made another far worse and dangerous tackle that was a yellow all day long. Did he book him and send him off, no he bottled it. If that had been mcardle I bet he would have received his marching orders. By the way Peter pay your money and watch city if you want anyone to take you serious you are a clown[/p][/quote]You are describing whether the team are actually hard done by and you have supported this with specific examples. Peter stated: "Every club thinks that they are badly done to". There is an inevitable amount of bias so I think that it is a fair enough point. Whether or not Peter attends matches does not really matter as all he is doing is to provide an interpretation that is hard to dispute. Michael Clayton

1:16pm Tue 3 Dec 13

macca1969 says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
macca1969 wrote:
The ref on sunday was hopeless. He gave a soft yellow against mcardle and then had to book their centrt half for a slightly worse offence. That same centre back then made another far worse and dangerous tackle that was a yellow all day long. Did he book him and send him off, no he bottled it. If that had been mcardle I bet he would have received his marching orders. By the way Peter pay your money and watch city if you want anyone to take you serious you are a clown
You are describing whether the team are actually hard done by and you have supported this with specific examples.

Peter stated: "Every club thinks that they are badly done to".

There is an inevitable amount of bias so I think that it is a fair enough point. Whether or not Peter attends matches does not really matter as all he is doing is to provide an interpretation that is hard to dispute.
I originally said in my post it depends on how you see it. I thought reid dived against Wolverhampton, Peter makes no points and goes against whatever anyone says for the sake if it. Had I said parky needs to get a grip and reid was a diver he would have come back with something else like I was a reid basher and wanted parky sacked. Like I said he is a clown without any thoughts if his own just a wind up opposite argument to who ever is posting
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: The ref on sunday was hopeless. He gave a soft yellow against mcardle and then had to book their centrt half for a slightly worse offence. That same centre back then made another far worse and dangerous tackle that was a yellow all day long. Did he book him and send him off, no he bottled it. If that had been mcardle I bet he would have received his marching orders. By the way Peter pay your money and watch city if you want anyone to take you serious you are a clown[/p][/quote]You are describing whether the team are actually hard done by and you have supported this with specific examples. Peter stated: "Every club thinks that they are badly done to". There is an inevitable amount of bias so I think that it is a fair enough point. Whether or not Peter attends matches does not really matter as all he is doing is to provide an interpretation that is hard to dispute.[/p][/quote]I originally said in my post it depends on how you see it. I thought reid dived against Wolverhampton, Peter makes no points and goes against whatever anyone says for the sake if it. Had I said parky needs to get a grip and reid was a diver he would have come back with something else like I was a reid basher and wanted parky sacked. Like I said he is a clown without any thoughts if his own just a wind up opposite argument to who ever is posting macca1969

2:23pm Tue 3 Dec 13

lawsonio123 says...

Diving or not The referee has a difficult job to do he has others to help him and if none of them see a penalty he has no choice but not to give one .I will not enter into a debate on Kyle Reid or indeed any other player diving as in all walks of life one sees a few who try to cheat for there own advantage and football is a prime example of this. However I am sure the ref is as fair as he can be bearing in mind as in all trades there is various degrees of competence and over a season these things do tend to even out
Diving or not The referee has a difficult job to do he has others to help him and if none of them see a penalty he has no choice but not to give one .I will not enter into a debate on Kyle Reid or indeed any other player diving as in all walks of life one sees a few who try to cheat for there own advantage and football is a prime example of this. However I am sure the ref is as fair as he can be bearing in mind as in all trades there is various degrees of competence and over a season these things do tend to even out lawsonio123

2:55pm Tue 3 Dec 13

macca1969 says...

Even themselves out. That is bull and used as a cop out for incompetent officials. Forgetting the penalties he set the standard of what he deemed to be a yellow card on sunday. So why didn't he give their centre back a second yellow for the worse challenge of the match. This was under both his yhe lino and fourth officials noses. He bottled it and knowing he was lucky their guy was immediately subbed. This is not not seeing something but is poor officiating. This is the inconsistency that drives managers players and fans uptthe wall
Even themselves out. That is bull and used as a cop out for incompetent officials. Forgetting the penalties he set the standard of what he deemed to be a yellow card on sunday. So why didn't he give their centre back a second yellow for the worse challenge of the match. This was under both his yhe lino and fourth officials noses. He bottled it and knowing he was lucky their guy was immediately subbed. This is not not seeing something but is poor officiating. This is the inconsistency that drives managers players and fans uptthe wall macca1969

2:56pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

lawsonio123 wrote:
Diving or not The referee has a difficult job to do he has others to help him and if none of them see a penalty he has no choice but not to give one .I will not enter into a debate on Kyle Reid or indeed any other player diving as in all walks of life one sees a few who try to cheat for there own advantage and football is a prime example of this. However I am sure the ref is as fair as he can be bearing in mind as in all trades there is various degrees of competence and over a season these things do tend to even out
But if that competency level ends up in one of our more attacking players serving a ban or earning a name as a diver, when his manager has evidence to prove otherwise it is worth highlighting.

Essien on Sunday was 2 feet away from a player and through himself to the ground as though hacked, Reid was hacked and fell as normal as possible, same outcome, booked.
[quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: Diving or not The referee has a difficult job to do he has others to help him and if none of them see a penalty he has no choice but not to give one .I will not enter into a debate on Kyle Reid or indeed any other player diving as in all walks of life one sees a few who try to cheat for there own advantage and football is a prime example of this. However I am sure the ref is as fair as he can be bearing in mind as in all trades there is various degrees of competence and over a season these things do tend to even out[/p][/quote]But if that competency level ends up in one of our more attacking players serving a ban or earning a name as a diver, when his manager has evidence to prove otherwise it is worth highlighting. Essien on Sunday was 2 feet away from a player and through himself to the ground as though hacked, Reid was hacked and fell as normal as possible, same outcome, booked. Prisoner Cell Block A

3:03pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Olivermac says...

As a past refferee I understand the position that some refferees face because from the Prem Div down to the bottom tier of football diving has become the norm and some players are great at acting out a foul, but when you have 3 officials it should not be as big a problem to spot who is at fault the player or the officials, but what I find really hard to accept is that the amount of shirt pulling in the penalty area and 9 out 10 times no official will give a decision it just seems that they are pre instructed not to give penalties for this type of offence hence supporters get frustrated managers get sent to the stands for showing there frustrations, what should happen is video evidence should be available for all the the general public to view and then you would get a clear picture of who is to blame. My guess is there will be a lot of letters of complaint to the F.A.
As a past refferee I understand the position that some refferees face because from the Prem Div down to the bottom tier of football diving has become the norm and some players are great at acting out a foul, but when you have 3 officials it should not be as big a problem to spot who is at fault the player or the officials, but what I find really hard to accept is that the amount of shirt pulling in the penalty area and 9 out 10 times no official will give a decision it just seems that they are pre instructed not to give penalties for this type of offence hence supporters get frustrated managers get sent to the stands for showing there frustrations, what should happen is video evidence should be available for all the the general public to view and then you would get a clear picture of who is to blame. My guess is there will be a lot of letters of complaint to the F.A. Olivermac

3:37pm Tue 3 Dec 13

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
lawsonio123 wrote:
Diving or not The referee has a difficult job to do he has others to help him and if none of them see a penalty he has no choice but not to give one .I will not enter into a debate on Kyle Reid or indeed any other player diving as in all walks of life one sees a few who try to cheat for there own advantage and football is a prime example of this. However I am sure the ref is as fair as he can be bearing in mind as in all trades there is various degrees of competence and over a season these things do tend to even out
But if that competency level ends up in one of our more attacking players serving a ban or earning a name as a diver, when his manager has evidence to prove otherwise it is worth highlighting.

Essien on Sunday was 2 feet away from a player and through himself to the ground as though hacked, Reid was hacked and fell as normal as possible, same outcome, booked.
threw*
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]lawsonio123[/bold] wrote: Diving or not The referee has a difficult job to do he has others to help him and if none of them see a penalty he has no choice but not to give one .I will not enter into a debate on Kyle Reid or indeed any other player diving as in all walks of life one sees a few who try to cheat for there own advantage and football is a prime example of this. However I am sure the ref is as fair as he can be bearing in mind as in all trades there is various degrees of competence and over a season these things do tend to even out[/p][/quote]But if that competency level ends up in one of our more attacking players serving a ban or earning a name as a diver, when his manager has evidence to prove otherwise it is worth highlighting. Essien on Sunday was 2 feet away from a player and through himself to the ground as though hacked, Reid was hacked and fell as normal as possible, same outcome, booked.[/p][/quote]threw* Prisoner Cell Block A

10:48pm Tue 3 Dec 13

tinytoonster says...

Peter300 wrote:
djmoulson wrote:
Two points to make here, one is that with all this publicity opposition players could be lead to foul more on our quicker players as they are being looked at as divers instead of the opposite, secondly I was right in front of the third claim on Sunday and Reid fell too easily in my opinion, and then looked round for the decision, if he IS fouled and has no option but to fall then I suggest he just keeps his head down until the ref makes his decision, he'll not be seen as looking for it then. CTID
Everybody has a complaint. Oscar v West Brom, Wellbeck v Spurs. etc. etc.
I'm positv like, that thereallyrealcitygen

t person wil hav summat to said abaat it b4 2 long. No doubt he will use his extended vocabulary and mastery of the English language to make his point.
nice one numpty but it was ramires vs west brom!
if you are going to try wind people up spouting rubbish get the basics right!!
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]djmoulson[/bold] wrote: Two points to make here, one is that with all this publicity opposition players could be lead to foul more on our quicker players as they are being looked at as divers instead of the opposite, secondly I was right in front of the third claim on Sunday and Reid fell too easily in my opinion, and then looked round for the decision, if he IS fouled and has no option but to fall then I suggest he just keeps his head down until the ref makes his decision, he'll not be seen as looking for it then. CTID[/p][/quote]Everybody has a complaint. Oscar v West Brom, Wellbeck v Spurs. etc. etc. I'm positv like, that thereallyrealcitygen t person wil hav summat to said abaat it b4 2 long. No doubt he will use his extended vocabulary and mastery of the English language to make his point.[/p][/quote]nice one numpty but it was ramires vs west brom! if you are going to try wind people up spouting rubbish get the basics right!! tinytoonster

12:47pm Wed 4 Dec 13

bigang02 says...

good on parky i hope we get an answer from the refs.
good on parky i hope we get an answer from the refs. bigang02

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