'Too thin' City Gent is dropped as mascot after 19 years

Lenny Berry in his heyday as City's mascot

Lenny Berry in his heyday as City's mascot

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Bradford City’s famous City Gent mascot says he has been forced to quit by the club because he is no longer fat enough for the role after losing seven stones through illness.

Life-long Bantams’ fan Lenny Berry, who has played the bowler hat-wearing mascot for almost 20 years, refused an offer of wearing a ‘Sumo-style’ suit and costume head to continue as the character after bosses at the League One club said his appearance no longer matched the ‘original concept’.

In a statement, City confirmed the main reason for asking Mr Berry to wear a padded costume was because his ‘physical appearance’ had changed from the original City Gent, former chairman the late Stafford Heginbotham.

But the 59-year-old says he now looks different because he lost weight for health reasons after being diagnosed with diabetes in 2006.

Last night, he said: “I’m am absolutely gutted. I am a grown man and this is something I have cried over.

“I’ve been through the fire. I’ve been through everything down there. When they did Save Our City I had my head shaved in the middle of the pitch and got 12-15 mascots to take part in a charity match.

“I don’t want the club getting hurt, I love the club. If you cut me open I’d be claret and amber.

“It’s not the team and it’s not the club, but I am disappointed with the way it’s been dealt with.”

Mr Berry, who was asked to play the City Gent by former City chairman Geoffrey Richmond while he was working in the players’ bar in 1994, said he received a letter from the club about his future in the role in mid-July.

But despite being told one of the reasons he would have to wear a costume was his appearance, he claims no one at City had said anything about his weight loss.

“In a meeting I asked why it wasn’t brought up six years ago when I first lost the weight,” he said. “They said they knew about my health issues.

“Obviously I’ve lost a lot of weight. I used to be 17 and a half stones, whereas I’m now around ten and a half. I lost it in about 18 months after I found out I had diabetes.

“I used to have supporters chant things at me, like ‘who ate all the pies’. I used to get them going and then grab my belly. I play the part of the mascot though, through my face and my eyes. I’ve always had a good rapport with fans”

Mr Berry, of Sowerby Bridge, who has been a Bantams’ fan since the age of seven and started working at the club selling cushions aged 14, said he had considered carrying on in the role and wearing a costume – but he had been told he would no longer be able to take part in charity events or give young mascots match-day tours if he did.

The textiles worker had been paid for being a mascot, but said he did not make any money from it.

He said: “Over the years I’ve done a lot of fundraising for the Bradford Burns Unit as well as cancer charities. I’ve taken part in mascot races and other events.

“I will still be at Bradford City as a season-ticket holder, but it is really sad.

“I’ve been overwhelmed by everyone’s support on Facebook and Twitter.”

Club director Roger Owen said the issue of club mascots had been discussed during a board meeting at the end of last season and it had agreed “action needed to be taken” over the City Gent.

“In the case of The City Gent, the main issue was his physical appearance, which was much changed from the original concept of the then-chairman, the late Stafford Heginbotham, who styled the City Gent on himself.

“We agreed that action needed to be taken. It was also agreed that Lenny be formally contacted, by letter, to put our various points to him and to suggest that the club obtain a Sumo-type suit with character head piece to represent the Gent.

“The Football League had told us at the time of the League Two Play-Off final that only animal or human mascots were now appropriate if they wore an anonymous headset.

“Lenny was given a deadline to respond, which was extended and then not complied with by our meeting on Friday...Lenny advised me that he would cease his role as City Gent with immediate effect.

“The board has now decided that as we are adequately covered by Billy Bantam, the Bantams being our real nickname, and that the City Gent name lives on in the excellent club fanzine produced by Mike Harrison, we will not replace The City Gent as a mascot.”

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7:14am Tue 6 Aug 13

tyker7745 says...

a sad sad day> Lenny has claret and amber blood.

A REAL HUMAN MASCOT IS FAR BETTER THAN A STUPIDLY CLOTHED anonymousINDIVIDUAL
a sad sad day> Lenny has claret and amber blood. A REAL HUMAN MASCOT IS FAR BETTER THAN A STUPIDLY CLOTHED anonymousINDIVIDUAL tyker7745
  • Score: 24

7:24am Tue 6 Aug 13

angry bradfordian says...

It's a sad day when City are talking about 'concepts' in terms of a mascot.
That's the sort of corporate nonsense I'd only expect from the money obsessed Premiership teams.
It's a sad day when City are talking about 'concepts' in terms of a mascot. That's the sort of corporate nonsense I'd only expect from the money obsessed Premiership teams. angry bradfordian
  • Score: 41

7:44am Tue 6 Aug 13

tinytoonster says...

disgrace!
all the best lenny.
hope to see you in the stands.
disgrace! all the best lenny. hope to see you in the stands. tinytoonster
  • Score: 24

7:48am Tue 6 Aug 13

Bingban says...

Tragedy and shameful. PR own goal. Stupid and trying to fix something that was not broken. Get real, Lenny is part of the Valley Parade experience for many especially the kiddies. He is part of the brand, however much you don't like it. There is just time to retract, apologise and invite him down on Saturday.
Tragedy and shameful. PR own goal. Stupid and trying to fix something that was not broken. Get real, Lenny is part of the Valley Parade experience for many especially the kiddies. He is part of the brand, however much you don't like it. There is just time to retract, apologise and invite him down on Saturday. Bingban
  • Score: 30

7:49am Tue 6 Aug 13

Meat Pie says...

What a load of nonsense and apart from anything in else, in a City where many people are over-weight Lenny is surely a shining example that you can lose weight if you stop shovelling pies and cake into your gob?

We should be promoting his weight loss not punishing him for it.

This is reallly poor and ill-thought out from City.
What a load of nonsense and apart from anything in else, in a City where many people are over-weight Lenny is surely a shining example that you can lose weight if you stop shovelling pies and cake into your gob? We should be promoting his weight loss not punishing him for it. This is reallly poor and ill-thought out from City. Meat Pie
  • Score: 39

8:01am Tue 6 Aug 13

Hoggy64 says...

Absolutely gutted for Lenny and appalled at the way he has been treated by the club. My son was a mascot once and Lenny was brilliant with him.

People like him are the life blood of the club and I hope City reconsider.
Absolutely gutted for Lenny and appalled at the way he has been treated by the club. My son was a mascot once and Lenny was brilliant with him. People like him are the life blood of the club and I hope City reconsider. Hoggy64
  • Score: 23

8:06am Tue 6 Aug 13

macca1969 says...

This is unfortunately a sad situation. I really feel for Lenny who is in the eyes of most supporters Mr Bradford City. Lets give him a great reception on Saturday. Positive support though that doesn't damage the club as that is the last thing Lenny would want.
This is unfortunately a sad situation. I really feel for Lenny who is in the eyes of most supporters Mr Bradford City. Lets give him a great reception on Saturday. Positive support though that doesn't damage the club as that is the last thing Lenny would want. macca1969
  • Score: 21

8:20am Tue 6 Aug 13

Michael Clayton says...

All I can add is that he was first class when my son went to get his autograph. Part of the match day experience has now gone.
All I can add is that he was first class when my son went to get his autograph. Part of the match day experience has now gone. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 23

8:25am Tue 6 Aug 13

Joedavid says...

Well done in loosing the weight Lenny, your health comes first.
Well done in loosing the weight Lenny, your health comes first. Joedavid
  • Score: 28

8:25am Tue 6 Aug 13

tyker7745 says...

brilliant mascot


SAVE OUR LENNY campaign starts here
brilliant mascot SAVE OUR LENNY campaign starts here tyker7745
  • Score: 17

8:30am Tue 6 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Billy Bantam as a replacement for Lenny? No contest.
Billy Bantam as a replacement for Lenny? No contest. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 11

8:45am Tue 6 Aug 13

CTID says...

As far as I'm concerned, our mascot isn't 'The City Gent', it's 'Lenny - The City Gent'

Save Our Lenny!!!
As far as I'm concerned, our mascot isn't 'The City Gent', it's 'Lenny - The City Gent' Save Our Lenny!!! CTID
  • Score: 19

8:46am Tue 6 Aug 13

johnhem says...

I think this is a disgrace. at a time when obesity has hit the headlines, BIG TIME, it sends the wrong message out to kids. they will see this and think being fat is the only way to be a city gent or city gent mascot.
do the club think that there are only fat city gents? do they think that the kids coming through now as supporters even know who the city gent is supposed to represent? I think not and the club should get their act together and re-instate him NOW, with an apology to him and fans.
I think this is a disgrace. at a time when obesity has hit the headlines, BIG TIME, it sends the wrong message out to kids. they will see this and think being fat is the only way to be a city gent or city gent mascot. do the club think that there are only fat city gents? do they think that the kids coming through now as supporters even know who the city gent is supposed to represent? I think not and the club should get their act together and re-instate him NOW, with an apology to him and fans. johnhem
  • Score: 16

8:49am Tue 6 Aug 13

ageofreason says...

Yesterday I suggested to the Club that they let Lenny have a Lap of Honour at half time in the game on Saturday. This would give the supporters a chance to say thank you and goodbye to somebody has been a wonderful servant to the Club. Giving no real reason the Club said no, I am not interested in why the Club made this decision I just believe that we the supporters should have the chance to say thank you and good bye would appreciate as much support from all .on this.
Yesterday I suggested to the Club that they let Lenny have a Lap of Honour at half time in the game on Saturday. This would give the supporters a chance to say thank you and goodbye to somebody has been a wonderful servant to the Club. Giving no real reason the Club said no, I am not interested in why the Club made this decision I just believe that we the supporters should have the chance to say thank you and good bye would appreciate as much support from all .on this. ageofreason
  • Score: 23

8:54am Tue 6 Aug 13

Craig says...

Real shame, Lenny has been as much a part of the City experience as the team during the majority of my time as a fan.

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If the City Gent does have to be dropped, why could the club not make Lenny a Matchday Ambassador and let him continue with his work with mascots and the matchday tours and introducing them to the players?

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Seems such an own-goal for the club to just simply get rid of Lenny when something like I've suggested above is a no-brainer given the service this man has given to the club (paid or unpaid) and even in his time before being a mascot. Looks like Mark, Julian and Dave have dropped the ball on this and underestimated where the fans stand on a man who clearly has the club solely at heart.
Real shame, Lenny has been as much a part of the City experience as the team during the majority of my time as a fan. * If the City Gent does have to be dropped, why could the club not make Lenny a Matchday Ambassador and let him continue with his work with mascots and the matchday tours and introducing them to the players? * Seems such an own-goal for the club to just simply get rid of Lenny when something like I've suggested above is a no-brainer given the service this man has given to the club (paid or unpaid) and even in his time before being a mascot. Looks like Mark, Julian and Dave have dropped the ball on this and underestimated where the fans stand on a man who clearly has the club solely at heart. Craig
  • Score: 21

9:08am Tue 6 Aug 13

MDPBradford says...

Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision.

Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes.

Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea.

Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore.

Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that. MDPBradford
  • Score: -21

9:12am Tue 6 Aug 13

Winchester Bantams says...

Political correctness gone mad. The club needs to show some heart and let Lenny be the mascot for as long as he wants with no strings. I would guarantee if the club asked the supporters, there would be no problem raised with Lenny continuing as it has been for years He is a club institution much more than the City Gent is.. This decision is very mean spirited.
Political correctness gone mad. The club needs to show some heart and let Lenny be the mascot for as long as he wants with no strings. I would guarantee if the club asked the supporters, there would be no problem raised with Lenny continuing as it has been for years He is a club institution much more than the City Gent is.. This decision is very mean spirited. Winchester Bantams
  • Score: 3

9:13am Tue 6 Aug 13

Dennis Mann says...

Times change and it's time for the club to move on. For whatever reason, Lenny's image no longer accords with the original City Gent concept. That isn't to disparage what Lenny has done in the past and I'm sure he has brought much fun and joy to City fans young and old. I believe that Roget Owengoal and the club have handled this in a deplorable manner. But there is still time to make amends. Maybe the club could consider a small presentation to Lenny at the next home game to reflect Lenny's long association with VP and for Lenny to give us all a few last sweets!
Times change and it's time for the club to move on. For whatever reason, Lenny's image no longer accords with the original City Gent concept. That isn't to disparage what Lenny has done in the past and I'm sure he has brought much fun and joy to City fans young and old. I believe that Roget Owengoal and the club have handled this in a deplorable manner. But there is still time to make amends. Maybe the club could consider a small presentation to Lenny at the next home game to reflect Lenny's long association with VP and for Lenny to give us all a few last sweets! Dennis Mann
  • Score: -3

9:16am Tue 6 Aug 13

Craig says...

MDPBradford wrote:
Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision.

Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes.

Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea.

Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore.

Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head.

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I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons.

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You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.
[quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role. Craig
  • Score: -3

9:27am Tue 6 Aug 13

Danstarr69 says...

Glad my suggestion yesterday was taken up by Lenny.
I would go even bigger and complain to national newspaper's too about the football league bosses being a disgrace.

#TeamLenny
Glad my suggestion yesterday was taken up by Lenny. I would go even bigger and complain to national newspaper's too about the football league bosses being a disgrace. #TeamLenny Danstarr69
  • Score: 1

9:33am Tue 6 Aug 13

bd7 helper says...

Upsetting but stand up to them
Upsetting but stand up to them bd7 helper
  • Score: 3

9:41am Tue 6 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

MDPBradford wrote:
Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
Although you are right when you say he doesn't 'represent the same image as originally planned', he is THE City Gent. He has become the character in such a way that I can't imagine anyone else doing it. Lenny is the City Gent. He's a totally unique mascot, much better than a stuffed animal in a football kit that you see in every other ground in the country.
He has been a great servant to the club and deserves to be able to do it for as long as he likes.
[quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]Although you are right when you say he doesn't 'represent the same image as originally planned', he is THE City Gent. He has become the character in such a way that I can't imagine anyone else doing it. Lenny is the City Gent. He's a totally unique mascot, much better than a stuffed animal in a football kit that you see in every other ground in the country. He has been a great servant to the club and deserves to be able to do it for as long as he likes. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 17

10:26am Tue 6 Aug 13

Michael Clayton says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
MDPBradford wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
Although you are right when you say he doesn't 'represent the same image as originally planned', he is THE City Gent. He has become the character in such a way that I can't imagine anyone else doing it. Lenny is the City Gent. He's a totally unique mascot, much better than a stuffed animal in a football kit that you see in every other ground in the country. He has been a great servant to the club and deserves to be able to do it for as long as he likes.
You have hit on a valid point.

Lenny/The City Gent is the prototype that other clubs have tried to replicate through a series of stuffed creations that are instantly forgettable.

If you want an example as to why you cannot have gradations of uniqueness, then look no further.

I sense this one is going to kick on.
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]Although you are right when you say he doesn't 'represent the same image as originally planned', he is THE City Gent. He has become the character in such a way that I can't imagine anyone else doing it. Lenny is the City Gent. He's a totally unique mascot, much better than a stuffed animal in a football kit that you see in every other ground in the country. He has been a great servant to the club and deserves to be able to do it for as long as he likes.[/p][/quote]You have hit on a valid point. Lenny/The City Gent is the prototype that other clubs have tried to replicate through a series of stuffed creations that are instantly forgettable. If you want an example as to why you cannot have gradations of uniqueness, then look no further. I sense this one is going to kick on. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 3

10:27am Tue 6 Aug 13

Carlos the Tackle says...

What an own goal from Bradford City. The City Gent mascot is an iconic brand image. Companies spend tens of thousand pounds ( and the rest ) just to get noticed in the market place and here is something that has been created, loved and known and is to be destroyed in an instance. I wonder what the heads of companies like Coca Cola, McDonalds, Google and IBM would think if a change was suggested to their image. It can only happen in Bradford.
What an own goal from Bradford City. The City Gent mascot is an iconic brand image. Companies spend tens of thousand pounds ( and the rest ) just to get noticed in the market place and here is something that has been created, loved and known and is to be destroyed in an instance. I wonder what the heads of companies like Coca Cola, McDonalds, Google and IBM would think if a change was suggested to their image. It can only happen in Bradford. Carlos the Tackle
  • Score: 4

10:35am Tue 6 Aug 13

Whoisevans? says...

Bingban is right, a spectacular own goal scored by both Bradford City and the Football League City Gent (Lenny) is a brilliant Ambassador, great with the kids loved by all City fans and fans through out the football league. UNBELIEVABLE !!!!
Bingban is right, a spectacular own goal scored by both Bradford City and the Football League City Gent (Lenny) is a brilliant Ambassador, great with the kids loved by all City fans and fans through out the football league. UNBELIEVABLE !!!! Whoisevans?
  • Score: 3

10:38am Tue 6 Aug 13

tyker7745 says...

h was apaid employee:has he been made redundant. and has it been done correctly. ARE THE CLUB GIVING FULL REDUNDANCY PAY ETC E
h was apaid employee:has he been made redundant. and has it been done correctly. ARE THE CLUB GIVING FULL REDUNDANCY PAY ETC E tyker7745
  • Score: -1

10:43am Tue 6 Aug 13

Michael Clayton says...

Carlos the Tackle wrote:
What an own goal from Bradford City. The City Gent mascot is an iconic brand image. Companies spend tens of thousand pounds ( and the rest ) just to get noticed in the market place and here is something that has been created, loved and known and is to be destroyed in an instance. I wonder what the heads of companies like Coca Cola, McDonalds, Google and IBM would think if a change was suggested to their image. It can only happen in Bradford.
On the Bradford theme, it reminds me of the betrayal Bradford Bulls inflicted on Keighley Cougars in 1996. However, that was deliberate and systematic whereas this is all a bit unfortunate and messy.
[quote][p][bold]Carlos the Tackle[/bold] wrote: What an own goal from Bradford City. The City Gent mascot is an iconic brand image. Companies spend tens of thousand pounds ( and the rest ) just to get noticed in the market place and here is something that has been created, loved and known and is to be destroyed in an instance. I wonder what the heads of companies like Coca Cola, McDonalds, Google and IBM would think if a change was suggested to their image. It can only happen in Bradford.[/p][/quote]On the Bradford theme, it reminds me of the betrayal Bradford Bulls inflicted on Keighley Cougars in 1996. However, that was deliberate and systematic whereas this is all a bit unfortunate and messy. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 2

10:47am Tue 6 Aug 13

justjustice says...

Usually it's the other way round, there are thousands of overweight people who cannot get jobs because, like so many people, when employers see a fat person they automatically assume they are lazy!

There is a HUGE difference between either eating too much or doing little exercise and doing work. Unless the job is being a 100m runner, a person's weight should not come into it, just like gender and race.

Isnt it about time discrimination and hate towards fat people is made illegal? And yes people hate fat people to the degree racists hate ethnic minorities!

It isnt just harmless fun, just like we no longer consider school bullying harmless kid or using the excuse "they're only kids", it's a serious problem which society must look at!
Usually it's the other way round, there are thousands of overweight people who cannot get jobs because, like so many people, when employers see a fat person they automatically assume they are lazy! There is a HUGE difference between either eating too much or doing little exercise and doing work. Unless the job is being a 100m runner, a person's weight should not come into it, just like gender and race. Isnt it about time discrimination and hate towards fat people is made illegal? And yes people hate fat people to the degree racists hate ethnic minorities! It isnt just harmless fun, just like we no longer consider school bullying harmless kid or using the excuse "they're only kids", it's a serious problem which society must look at! justjustice
  • Score: 3

10:47am Tue 6 Aug 13

Whoisevans? says...

Surely it's not the size that is the image it's the City strip the brief case and Bowler that represents the City Gent but most of all the spirit in which (Lenny) gives to the part. I have know Lenny since the early days of doing the City Gent and he has always had the club at heart, even now he refuses to have a go at the club although it must be heart breaking for him. Maybe Mr Lawn fancies the job himself.
Surely it's not the size that is the image it's the City strip the brief case and Bowler that represents the City Gent but most of all the spirit in which (Lenny) gives to the part. I have know Lenny since the early days of doing the City Gent and he has always had the club at heart, even now he refuses to have a go at the club although it must be heart breaking for him. Maybe Mr Lawn fancies the job himself. Whoisevans?
  • Score: 1

10:52am Tue 6 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
MDPBradford wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
Although you are right when you say he doesn't 'represent the same image as originally planned', he is THE City Gent. He has become the character in such a way that I can't imagine anyone else doing it. Lenny is the City Gent. He's a totally unique mascot, much better than a stuffed animal in a football kit that you see in every other ground in the country. He has been a great servant to the club and deserves to be able to do it for as long as he likes.
You have hit on a valid point. Lenny/The City Gent is the prototype that other clubs have tried to replicate through a series of stuffed creations that are instantly forgettable. If you want an example as to why you cannot have gradations of uniqueness, then look no further. I sense this one is going to kick on.
I absolute loathe those stuffed animals. They just seem so American, so corporate. Billy Bantam et al seem like they were forcibly created for the sake of it round a boardroom table and are utterly soulless as a result.
Compare that with Lenny, a (former) fat bloke with a bowler hat and a briefcase in a City shirt. Its a far more endearing character and it just seems so much more relevant to us. Its a very Yorkshire mascot and I for one will be sad to see him go.
I once asked him what's in his briefcase. He opened it up and there was a full stand pie in it. This was 10 years ago so he probably keeps hummus and carrot sticks in there now.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]Although you are right when you say he doesn't 'represent the same image as originally planned', he is THE City Gent. He has become the character in such a way that I can't imagine anyone else doing it. Lenny is the City Gent. He's a totally unique mascot, much better than a stuffed animal in a football kit that you see in every other ground in the country. He has been a great servant to the club and deserves to be able to do it for as long as he likes.[/p][/quote]You have hit on a valid point. Lenny/The City Gent is the prototype that other clubs have tried to replicate through a series of stuffed creations that are instantly forgettable. If you want an example as to why you cannot have gradations of uniqueness, then look no further. I sense this one is going to kick on.[/p][/quote]I absolute loathe those stuffed animals. They just seem so American, so corporate. Billy Bantam et al seem like they were forcibly created for the sake of it round a boardroom table and are utterly soulless as a result. Compare that with Lenny, a (former) fat bloke with a bowler hat and a briefcase in a City shirt. Its a far more endearing character and it just seems so much more relevant to us. Its a very Yorkshire mascot and I for one will be sad to see him go. I once asked him what's in his briefcase. He opened it up and there was a full stand pie in it. This was 10 years ago so he probably keeps hummus and carrot sticks in there now. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 11

10:58am Tue 6 Aug 13

Michael Clayton says...

justjustice wrote:
Usually it's the other way round, there are thousands of overweight people who cannot get jobs because, like so many people, when employers see a fat person they automatically assume they are lazy! There is a HUGE difference between either eating too much or doing little exercise and doing work. Unless the job is being a 100m runner, a person's weight should not come into it, just like gender and race. Isnt it about time discrimination and hate towards fat people is made illegal? And yes people hate fat people to the degree racists hate ethnic minorities! It isnt just harmless fun, just like we no longer consider school bullying harmless kid or using the excuse "they're only kids", it's a serious problem which society must look at!
Your grievances are tenuous in relation to the case in point.

Also, given that this is a football forum, you are likely to encounter a number of morons who cannot apply basic reasoning.

Without being rude, I do not think you will get a sympatheitc hearing on here. .
[quote][p][bold]justjustice[/bold] wrote: Usually it's the other way round, there are thousands of overweight people who cannot get jobs because, like so many people, when employers see a fat person they automatically assume they are lazy! There is a HUGE difference between either eating too much or doing little exercise and doing work. Unless the job is being a 100m runner, a person's weight should not come into it, just like gender and race. Isnt it about time discrimination and hate towards fat people is made illegal? And yes people hate fat people to the degree racists hate ethnic minorities! It isnt just harmless fun, just like we no longer consider school bullying harmless kid or using the excuse "they're only kids", it's a serious problem which society must look at![/p][/quote]Your grievances are tenuous in relation to the case in point. Also, given that this is a football forum, you are likely to encounter a number of morons who cannot apply basic reasoning. Without being rude, I do not think you will get a sympatheitc hearing on here. . Michael Clayton
  • Score: -7

11:31am Tue 6 Aug 13

Danstarr69 says...

Why has my comment been removed just because I wrote a censored swear word relating to Billy the Bantam? Here's my comment from this morning again without my censored swear word:

Bring Back Lenny The Bradford City Gent!

Forced out for not being fat enough by the Football League = Discrimination. He had to lose weight because of diabetes.

Lenny wasn't even backed by ‪#‎BCAFC‬ & director Roger Owen against the Football Leagues decision. #BCAFC even went as far as to tell all staff members working at Valley Parade that if they joined the 'TEAM LENNY' group, or the 'SAVE LENNY - THE CITY GENT' page on Facebook, then they would be SACKED!

‪#‎TeamLenny‬
Why has my comment been removed just because I wrote a censored swear word relating to Billy the Bantam? Here's my comment from this morning again without my censored swear word: Bring Back Lenny The Bradford City Gent! Forced out for not being fat enough by the Football League = Discrimination. He had to lose weight because of diabetes. Lenny wasn't even backed by ‪#‎BCAFC‬ & director Roger Owen against the Football Leagues decision. #BCAFC even went as far as to tell all staff members working at Valley Parade that if they joined the 'TEAM LENNY' group, or the 'SAVE LENNY - THE CITY GENT' page on Facebook, then they would be SACKED! ‪#‎TeamLenny‬ Danstarr69
  • Score: 1

11:39am Tue 6 Aug 13

Bantam sthn Ellatha says...

Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend.
The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday.
I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that.
Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction.

Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.
Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend. The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday. I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that. Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction. Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now. Bantam sthn Ellatha
  • Score: -9

12:05pm Tue 6 Aug 13

huggy b says...

Sacked for being too thin? Take the Board to Strasbourg, Lenny!
Sacked for being too thin? Take the Board to Strasbourg, Lenny! huggy b
  • Score: 4

12:31pm Tue 6 Aug 13

johnhem says...

Bantam sthn Ellatha wrote:
Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend.
The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday.
I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that.
Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction.

Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.
what's wrong with a chant until kick-off and all way through half time and again at the end to show support for lenny. let them know a city gent doesn't have to be fat. cheer the team during play and lenny for the rest of the time.
[quote][p][bold]Bantam sthn Ellatha[/bold] wrote: Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend. The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday. I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that. Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction. Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.[/p][/quote]what's wrong with a chant until kick-off and all way through half time and again at the end to show support for lenny. let them know a city gent doesn't have to be fat. cheer the team during play and lenny for the rest of the time. johnhem
  • Score: 1

12:40pm Tue 6 Aug 13

BCFC1234 says...

Maybe Mark Lawn wants the job. He gets bigger every time I see him.
Maybe Mark Lawn wants the job. He gets bigger every time I see him. BCFC1234
  • Score: 3

12:48pm Tue 6 Aug 13

jackez20591 says...

How about asking the 14,000 fans on Saturday if they care what he looks like. Disgusting to throw him out, spent 20 years looking after the kids and being bradford through and through, just to be sacked for not being fat.
How about asking the 14,000 fans on Saturday if they care what he looks like. Disgusting to throw him out, spent 20 years looking after the kids and being bradford through and through, just to be sacked for not being fat. jackez20591
  • Score: 5

12:52pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Michael Clayton says...

johnhem wrote:
Bantam sthn Ellatha wrote: Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend. The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday. I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that. Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction. Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.
what's wrong with a chant until kick-off and all way through half time and again at the end to show support for lenny. let them know a city gent doesn't have to be fat. cheer the team during play and lenny for the rest of the time.
Image is one thing, but cries of:

"What do we want? We want Lenny! When do we want him? Now!" would be sad and pathetic.

I think I will be hiding downstairs with a meat-pie at that point. If you want the Carlisle fans to laugh at you then carry on.
[quote][p][bold]johnhem[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bantam sthn Ellatha[/bold] wrote: Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend. The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday. I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that. Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction. Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.[/p][/quote]what's wrong with a chant until kick-off and all way through half time and again at the end to show support for lenny. let them know a city gent doesn't have to be fat. cheer the team during play and lenny for the rest of the time.[/p][/quote]Image is one thing, but cries of: "What do we want? We want Lenny! When do we want him? Now!" would be sad and pathetic. I think I will be hiding downstairs with a meat-pie at that point. If you want the Carlisle fans to laugh at you then carry on. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 1

12:57pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Bantam sthn Ellatha wrote:
Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend. The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday. I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that. Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction. Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.
It's not either or. You can be both annoyed at the sacking of Lennie and support your team.
And if the players get distracted by people chanting 'Theres only one Lennie Berry' then perhaps they are in the wrong profession.
[quote][p][bold]Bantam sthn Ellatha[/bold] wrote: Please don't allow this storm-in-a-teacup to overshadow the main priority this weekend. The main thing is to get three points against Carlisle United on Saturday. I hope that the fans get behind the team and give them their full support without distracting from that. Silly chanting for Mr. Berry will only be a distraction. Three points and a good start to the season is the main priority right now.[/p][/quote]It's not either or. You can be both annoyed at the sacking of Lennie and support your team. And if the players get distracted by people chanting 'Theres only one Lennie Berry' then perhaps they are in the wrong profession. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 2

12:58pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Stevie-C says...

BCFC1234 wrote:
Maybe Mark Lawn wants the job. He gets bigger every time I see him.
hahaha you just beat me to it BCFC1234!!!
[quote][p][bold]BCFC1234[/bold] wrote: Maybe Mark Lawn wants the job. He gets bigger every time I see him.[/p][/quote]hahaha you just beat me to it BCFC1234!!! Stevie-C
  • Score: 3

1:00pm Tue 6 Aug 13

MDPBradford says...

Craig wrote:
MDPBradford wrote:
Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision.

Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes.

Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea.

Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore.

Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head.

*
I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons.

*
You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.
Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing.

I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.
[quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.[/p][/quote]Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting. MDPBradford
  • Score: 0

1:20pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Tammy Dagshat says...

I was angry enough when they stopped him from throwing sweets into the crowd incase he had someones eye out! Id been catching sweets from him since the mid 90s. The stuff he has done for this club and for the burns unit is incredible.

BCAFC want to have a good hard look at themselves. You dont know what youve got till its gone. A trully unique mascot in a time when the world and his wife has a fancy dress this that or the other.

Billy Bantam!, i mean i dont want to be unkind to my own teams mascot but he looks more like a **** than a bantam. AND he doesnt talk to you

We should have a statue of lenny outside the ground, not sending him into the stands. I am absolutely furious!!!
I was angry enough when they stopped him from throwing sweets into the crowd incase he had someones eye out! Id been catching sweets from him since the mid 90s. The stuff he has done for this club and for the burns unit is incredible. BCAFC want to have a good hard look at themselves. You dont know what youve got till its gone. A trully unique mascot in a time when the world and his wife has a fancy dress this that or the other. Billy Bantam!, i mean i dont want to be unkind to my own teams mascot but he looks more like a **** than a bantam. AND he doesnt talk to you We should have a statue of lenny outside the ground, not sending him into the stands. I am absolutely furious!!! Tammy Dagshat
  • Score: 6

1:27pm Tue 6 Aug 13

irish bantam says...

The city Gent is a massive part of Bradford city, past and present.
So if Lenny does not want to walk around in a mascot suit which the club were going to get manufactured then the club should get someone else to do it and not terminate the city gent mascot from our club. He could represent city along with billy the bantam.The city Gent is and has been associated with Bradford city for as long as I can remember over 40 years maybe more, so why the hell don't the club continue to do what they offered lenny by purchasing a city gent suit and let some other city fan do the job on match days.......I am sure that there will be plenty of fans that would do it, this way everyone is happy.The club and the football league powers that be get the mascot to wear the suit and US THE FANS GET TO KEEP OUR CITY GENT................
....simples!!!!!!
The city Gent is a massive part of Bradford city, past and present. So if Lenny does not want to walk around in a mascot suit which the club were going to get manufactured then the club should get someone else to do it and not terminate the city gent mascot from our club. He could represent city along with billy the bantam.The city Gent is and has been associated with Bradford city for as long as I can remember over 40 years maybe more, so why the hell don't the club continue to do what they offered lenny by purchasing a city gent suit and let some other city fan do the job on match days.......I am sure that there will be plenty of fans that would do it, this way everyone is happy.The club and the football league powers that be get the mascot to wear the suit and US THE FANS GET TO KEEP OUR CITY GENT................ ....simples!!!!!! irish bantam
  • Score: 1

1:32pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Csut74 says...

I have personally known Lenny for many years and I think the way the club has handled this is an ABSOLUTE DISGACE. In current times when everyone goes on about heath and fitness with Lenny having diabetes as well it most certainly could have been handled much better. The so-called sad FL rule about mascots is a joke - except we don't find it funny :(
Get a bloody grip City and sort this out !!!!!
PS Cant wait for tonights game - Come on City
I have personally known Lenny for many years and I think the way the club has handled this is an ABSOLUTE DISGACE. In current times when everyone goes on about heath and fitness with Lenny having diabetes as well it most certainly could have been handled much better. The so-called sad FL rule about mascots is a joke - except we don't find it funny :( Get a bloody grip City and sort this out !!!!! PS Cant wait for tonights game - Come on City Csut74
  • Score: 0

1:36pm Tue 6 Aug 13

1 bingley bantam says...

I am deeply sorry for Lenny he is an idol good luck pal you may be gone but never forgotten.
Everybody involved in this decision should hang their heads in shame!
I am deeply sorry for Lenny he is an idol good luck pal you may be gone but never forgotten. Everybody involved in this decision should hang their heads in shame! 1 bingley bantam
  • Score: 0

1:40pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

irish bantam wrote:
The city Gent is a massive part of Bradford city, past and present. So if Lenny does not want to walk around in a mascot suit which the club were going to get manufactured then the club should get someone else to do it and not terminate the city gent mascot from our club. He could represent city along with billy the bantam.The city Gent is and has been associated with Bradford city for as long as I can remember over 40 years maybe more, so why the hell don't the club continue to do what they offered lenny by purchasing a city gent suit and let some other city fan do the job on match days.......I am sure that there will be plenty of fans that would do it, this way everyone is happy.The club and the football league powers that be get the mascot to wear the suit and US THE FANS GET TO KEEP OUR CITY GENT................ ....simples!!!!!!
Not really. Putting someone in a stupid costume is the exact opposite of what the City Gent is about and what sets him apart from other crappy mascots. I'd rather have no mascot at all than some clown in a sumo suit with a character head on.
The club should tell the league to go f**k themselves. I can't understand the FL's reasoning on this. Has anyone ever complained about seeing a mascot with a human face?
[quote][p][bold]irish bantam[/bold] wrote: The city Gent is a massive part of Bradford city, past and present. So if Lenny does not want to walk around in a mascot suit which the club were going to get manufactured then the club should get someone else to do it and not terminate the city gent mascot from our club. He could represent city along with billy the bantam.The city Gent is and has been associated with Bradford city for as long as I can remember over 40 years maybe more, so why the hell don't the club continue to do what they offered lenny by purchasing a city gent suit and let some other city fan do the job on match days.......I am sure that there will be plenty of fans that would do it, this way everyone is happy.The club and the football league powers that be get the mascot to wear the suit and US THE FANS GET TO KEEP OUR CITY GENT................ ....simples!!!!!![/p][/quote]Not really. Putting someone in a stupid costume is the exact opposite of what the City Gent is about and what sets him apart from other crappy mascots. I'd rather have no mascot at all than some clown in a sumo suit with a character head on. The club should tell the league to go f**k themselves. I can't understand the FL's reasoning on this. Has anyone ever complained about seeing a mascot with a human face? Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

1:41pm Tue 6 Aug 13

lawsonio123 says...

Well a great deal of protest about the GENT I think it is time the Directors had another look in view of a change of mind?
Well a great deal of protest about the GENT I think it is time the Directors had another look in view of a change of mind? lawsonio123
  • Score: -2

1:43pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Michael Clayton says...

MDPBradford wrote:
Craig wrote:
MDPBradford wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.
Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.
A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.
[quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.[/p][/quote]Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.[/p][/quote]A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

1:49pm Tue 6 Aug 13

basil fawlty says...

The club has got this wrong and needs to find a pragmatic compomise solution that retains this fine servant to the club.
The club has got this wrong and needs to find a pragmatic compomise solution that retains this fine servant to the club. basil fawlty
  • Score: -3

2:10pm Tue 6 Aug 13

basil fawlty says...

The club has got this wrong and needs to find a pragmatic compomise solution that retains this fine servant to the club.
The club has got this wrong and needs to find a pragmatic compomise solution that retains this fine servant to the club. basil fawlty
  • Score: -1

2:22pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Cityman23 says...

basil fawlty wrote:
The club has got this wrong and needs to find a pragmatic compomise solution that retains this fine servant to the club.
They do indeed!!

Lenny has always been a credit to the club, and friendly to home/away supporters. He has been so much a part of the 'VP' match day experience that it is impossible to imagine one without him!

Please, 'powers- that- be' call him up/reach some sort of compromise on this issue because I fear if this isn't done, Saturday's match v Carlisle will be overshadowed by chanting for his reinstatement-in fact I for one would be joining in the clamour for his return!
[quote][p][bold]basil fawlty[/bold] wrote: The club has got this wrong and needs to find a pragmatic compomise solution that retains this fine servant to the club.[/p][/quote]They do indeed!! Lenny has always been a credit to the club, and friendly to home/away supporters. He has been so much a part of the 'VP' match day experience that it is impossible to imagine one without him! Please, 'powers- that- be' call him up/reach some sort of compromise on this issue because I fear if this isn't done, Saturday's match v Carlisle will be overshadowed by chanting for his reinstatement-in fact I for one would be joining in the clamour for his return! Cityman23
  • Score: -1

2:24pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Mercury_Lime says...

Disgraceful ... Lenny is the CITY GENT... granted he might not fit the image now due to the weight loss (Well done by the way). But he is the CITY GENT.
I know that Lenny had a small sponsor who helped towards his cost, but last season he made very home and away game. Which h he had to pay for, he had to pay for his own kit, travel, hotels, using holidays from work.... and by the way this included the preseason Ireland games. (No help from City)
Before the stupid health and safety gone mad ban of sweets been thrown to the kids, he had to pay for them as well.
This man has given his time, his life to the club and to be rubbished and thrown away because of his weight is ridicules.
Lenny you will always be our mascot, OUR CITY GENT!!
Disgraceful ... Lenny is the CITY GENT... granted he might not fit the image now due to the weight loss (Well done by the way). But he is the CITY GENT. I know that Lenny had a small sponsor who helped towards his cost, but last season he made very home and away game. Which h he had to pay for, he had to pay for his own kit, travel, hotels, using holidays from work.... and by the way this included the preseason Ireland games. (No help from City) Before the stupid health and safety gone mad ban of sweets been thrown to the kids, he had to pay for them as well. This man has given his time, his life to the club and to be rubbished and thrown away because of his weight is ridicules. Lenny you will always be our mascot, OUR CITY GENT!! Mercury_Lime
  • Score: 4

3:00pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Yorkshire Lass says...

I would like to the above comments. He is being discriminated against because he has a disability. Diabetes is a disability and causes lots of problems to the people who have it. Lenny does well carrying on his job and should be kept on, not sacked.
I would like to the above comments. He is being discriminated against because he has a disability. Diabetes is a disability and causes lots of problems to the people who have it. Lenny does well carrying on his job and should be kept on, not sacked. Yorkshire Lass
  • Score: 1

3:10pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Farsley Bantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
MDPBradford wrote:
Craig wrote:
MDPBradford wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.
Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.
A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.
I need instant gratification. The only way of obtaining this is for Lennie to storm the pitch tonight and hold Billy Bantam at gun point until his demands are met. This is the only outcome that will satisfy me.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.[/p][/quote]Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.[/p][/quote]A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.[/p][/quote]I need instant gratification. The only way of obtaining this is for Lennie to storm the pitch tonight and hold Billy Bantam at gun point until his demands are met. This is the only outcome that will satisfy me. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: 0

3:29pm Tue 6 Aug 13

coopy00 says...

The decision makers ought to hang there heads in shame . Followed city 58 years, the club have finally turned the corner after years of dross and one of the best supporters of the club is cast away as if he is a burden to the club . Just bought season tickets for self, son and grandsons . If i had known about this earlier i wouldnt have bothered . Because the club dont appear to value true loyal supporters . Appalled about the decision .
The decision makers ought to hang there heads in shame . Followed city 58 years, the club have finally turned the corner after years of dross and one of the best supporters of the club is cast away as if he is a burden to the club . Just bought season tickets for self, son and grandsons . If i had known about this earlier i wouldnt have bothered . Because the club dont appear to value true loyal supporters . Appalled about the decision . coopy00
  • Score: 8

3:30pm Tue 6 Aug 13

MDPBradford says...

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
MDPBradford wrote:
Craig wrote:
MDPBradford wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.
Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.
A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.
I need instant gratification. The only way of obtaining this is for Lennie to storm the pitch tonight and hold Billy Bantam at gun point until his demands are met. This is the only outcome that will satisfy me.
The club will not give in to terrisom
[quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.[/p][/quote]Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.[/p][/quote]A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.[/p][/quote]I need instant gratification. The only way of obtaining this is for Lennie to storm the pitch tonight and hold Billy Bantam at gun point until his demands are met. This is the only outcome that will satisfy me.[/p][/quote]The club will not give in to terrisom MDPBradford
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Tue 6 Aug 13

city down south says...

Mercury_Lime wrote:
Disgraceful ... Lenny is the CITY GENT... granted he might not fit the image now due to the weight loss (Well done by the way). But he is the CITY GENT.
I know that Lenny had a small sponsor who helped towards his cost, but last season he made very home and away game. Which h he had to pay for, he had to pay for his own kit, travel, hotels, using holidays from work.... and by the way this included the preseason Ireland games. (No help from City)
Before the stupid health and safety gone mad ban of sweets been thrown to the kids, he had to pay for them as well.
This man has given his time, his life to the club and to be rubbished and thrown away because of his weight is ridicules.
Lenny you will always be our mascot, OUR CITY GENT!!
The Club state that they paid him so how can your statement be correct?

He had a choice and has chosen to hang up his bowler, let him go in peace. He has done a good job over the years but times change and he isn't prepared to change with the job description.

By the way this was out before the match on saturday at Bristol and I never heard one chant from a crowd that never stopped singing!
[quote][p][bold]Mercury_Lime[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful ... Lenny is the CITY GENT... granted he might not fit the image now due to the weight loss (Well done by the way). But he is the CITY GENT. I know that Lenny had a small sponsor who helped towards his cost, but last season he made very home and away game. Which h he had to pay for, he had to pay for his own kit, travel, hotels, using holidays from work.... and by the way this included the preseason Ireland games. (No help from City) Before the stupid health and safety gone mad ban of sweets been thrown to the kids, he had to pay for them as well. This man has given his time, his life to the club and to be rubbished and thrown away because of his weight is ridicules. Lenny you will always be our mascot, OUR CITY GENT!![/p][/quote]The Club state that they paid him so how can your statement be correct? He had a choice and has chosen to hang up his bowler, let him go in peace. He has done a good job over the years but times change and he isn't prepared to change with the job description. By the way this was out before the match on saturday at Bristol and I never heard one chant from a crowd that never stopped singing! city down south
  • Score: 2

4:20pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Bantambhoy says...

WHO IS ROGER OWEN??? Is he one of those jumped up corporate types who thinks he has to do something 'different' to get himself noticed and then move on? citing on his CV that he 'changed the ethos' of his previous company!
We all know who Lenny is! he's been with us for years. Where do the joint Chairmen stand in this matter?
The 'Chicken' mascot has to have a top part or it would be a 'headless' chicken
unlike the Mighty Bantams.
WHO IS ROGER OWEN??? Is he one of those jumped up corporate types who thinks he has to do something 'different' to get himself noticed and then move on? citing on his CV that he 'changed the ethos' of his previous company! We all know who Lenny is! he's been with us for years. Where do the joint Chairmen stand in this matter? The 'Chicken' mascot has to have a top part or it would be a 'headless' chicken unlike the Mighty Bantams. Bantambhoy
  • Score: 2

4:29pm Tue 6 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

Yorkshire Lass wrote:
I would like to the above comments. He is being discriminated against because he has a disability. Diabetes is a disability and causes lots of problems to the people who have it. Lenny does well carrying on his job and should be kept on, not sacked.
Some good posts above for a change .

I am not sure about all the facts of this case but wasn't Lenny allowed to continue the role provided he met the 'code' that the FL are -apparently-requesti
ng Clubs meet regarding the wearing of an an 'anonymous headset'?

Wasn't Lenny asked to play the City Gent originally because of his initial 'plump' stature? And wouldn't he simply be going back to something like his original physical appearance -which seemed to replicate the 'cartoon' version in a more accurate way than at present- if he wore a sumo-ish belly?

Some posters seem to be implying that the Club 'sacked' Lenny but from what I understand from the report above Lenny decided to 'cease his role as City Gent'.

I can understand supporters disappointment aT losing Lenny but it appears to me that the Club has tried to keep the role going whilst having to meet the requirements of the FL and it is Lenny who has decided he can not go along with the FL's requirements. I do hope Lenny will have a rethink and that the Club can and will facilitate him should he have a change of mind. I don't think the Club can oppose the FL so I think some fans are aiming their anger at the wrong target.

I am open to correction.
[quote][p][bold]Yorkshire Lass[/bold] wrote: I would like to the above comments. He is being discriminated against because he has a disability. Diabetes is a disability and causes lots of problems to the people who have it. Lenny does well carrying on his job and should be kept on, not sacked.[/p][/quote]Some good posts above for a change . I am not sure about all the facts of this case but wasn't Lenny allowed to continue the role provided he met the 'code' that the FL are -apparently-requesti ng Clubs meet regarding the wearing of an an 'anonymous headset'? Wasn't Lenny asked to play the City Gent originally because of his initial 'plump' stature? And wouldn't he simply be going back to something like his original physical appearance -which seemed to replicate the 'cartoon' version in a more accurate way than at present- if he wore a sumo-ish belly? Some posters seem to be implying that the Club 'sacked' Lenny but from what I understand from the report above Lenny decided to 'cease his role as City Gent'. I can understand supporters disappointment aT losing Lenny but it appears to me that the Club has tried to keep the role going whilst having to meet the requirements of the FL and it is Lenny who has decided he can not go along with the FL's requirements. I do hope Lenny will have a rethink and that the Club can and will facilitate him should he have a change of mind. I don't think the Club can oppose the FL so I think some fans are aiming their anger at the wrong target. I am open to correction. lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 3

5:24pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Pablo says...

What a load of claptrap about a non event!

We've not lost the manager, we've not lost our star striker. A mascot has resigned. Big deal!

I'm amazed to learn he actually got paid for what he did.

I'm 100% behind Roger Owen on this one. We've moved on in many ways and this is one of them.

Can we stop these stupid posts and discuss something of importance, please.
What a load of claptrap about a non event! We've not lost the manager, we've not lost our star striker. A mascot has resigned. Big deal! I'm amazed to learn he actually got paid for what he did. I'm 100% behind Roger Owen on this one. We've moved on in many ways and this is one of them. Can we stop these stupid posts and discuss something of importance, please. Pablo
  • Score: -4

5:29pm Tue 6 Aug 13

lonniejockstrap says...

MDPBradford wrote:
Farsley Bantam wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
MDPBradford wrote:
Craig wrote:
MDPBradford wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.
As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.
Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.
A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.
I need instant gratification. The only way of obtaining this is for Lennie to storm the pitch tonight and hold Billy Bantam at gun point until his demands are met. This is the only outcome that will satisfy me.
The club will not give in to terrisom
Well, The Galpharm is known as a hot-spot of Terrier-ism. It would be a shame to see Lenny end up in Bantam-ano Bay. ...............I'll get mi coat!
[quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Farsley Bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Craig[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MDPBradford[/bold] wrote: Whilst I applaud Lenny for his weight loss etc, I have to admit im not up in arms about this decision. Yes he gave his all and was a testiment to all those that love the mighty Bantams, but you cant ignore the fact that unfortunatley he dosnt represent the same image as originally planned. Would he have been given the role originally if he looked like he did now? No. And thats the main point here. Do I think it is harsh on somebody who loves the club? Of course I do. Do I see the clubs point of view? In a word Yes. Why wouldnt Lenny meet the club half way and suggest a conservative 'fat' suit to give him more of a natural 'plump' look, like the original idea rather than an obsurd sumo suit and silly head? If it was me that would have been my counter offer for a club I loved so much. Just an idea. Either way, over time like so many things, it wont impact on match day, after all his whole rutine has had to change over time as well. Like he says himself, he used to get the crowd singing and chanting etc at hs own expense for Banter, that dosnt happen, simply because he dosnt look like he eats a load of pies anymore. Lets give him a fitting tribute on sat and then afterthe game is done lets leave it at that.[/p][/quote]As the piece says MDP, there isn't a middle ground on the suit Lenny could wear because if he was to wear any kind of 'fat suit', according to Football League stipulations, he would also have to wear a 'headset' i.e. a novelty mascot head. * I don't disagree with all of your points but to simply cast someone aside in this manner is a complete own goal and, on a human level, a very harsh way to treat someone who has done what Lenny has for the club and many associated charities and patrons. * You are certainly one voice against many in some of the opinions you have offered (not having a go) but, in finding a halfway house and given the league stipulations on mascots, a good idea, and something the club should certainly put on the table before inviting this negative publicity upon themselves, is something like an ambassadorial role.[/p][/quote]Craig I appreciate your reply. I understand that 'others' may not agree with my outlook, but that those will probably be blinkered so to see someone reply with something decent rather than the drivel i read usually is refreshing. I agree he should be given some other capacity at the club or something more fitting.[/p][/quote]A significant number of fans want instant gratification. The moment you dip beneath the surface you will find that they cannot handle it.[/p][/quote]I need instant gratification. The only way of obtaining this is for Lennie to storm the pitch tonight and hold Billy Bantam at gun point until his demands are met. This is the only outcome that will satisfy me.[/p][/quote]The club will not give in to terrisom[/p][/quote]Well, The Galpharm is known as a hot-spot of Terrier-ism. It would be a shame to see Lenny end up in Bantam-ano Bay. ...............I'll get mi coat! lonniejockstrap
  • Score: 1

5:46pm Tue 6 Aug 13

YNWA2005 says...

I don't understand the guy was given a chance to wear the sumo costume and he refused! Why moan and cry you had the opportunity.. Another person who would much rather sit on his backside and claim benefits than work.. Typical!
I don't understand the guy was given a chance to wear the sumo costume and he refused! Why moan and cry you had the opportunity.. Another person who would much rather sit on his backside and claim benefits than work.. Typical! YNWA2005
  • Score: -4

6:28pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Richard W.Bennett says...

YNWA2005-The piece in the article says "textiles worker" so not sure where your sitting on his backside/benefits issue came from(not really relevant either)-Lenny does a lot of work for other City fans that no-one knows about as well, though he won't blow his trumpet for this, as he's that kind of top guy.Charity work,attending funerals of life long City fans and so on.Please don't label him with the usual social stigma of benefit scrounger!
YNWA2005-The piece in the article says "textiles worker" so not sure where your sitting on his backside/benefits issue came from(not really relevant either)-Lenny does a lot of work for other City fans that no-one knows about as well, though he won't blow his trumpet for this, as he's that kind of top guy.Charity work,attending funerals of life long City fans and so on.Please don't label him with the usual social stigma of benefit scrounger! Richard W.Bennett
  • Score: 6

6:38pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Whoisevans? says...

The appeal before the kick off about discrimination, this makes a mockery of that, come on City why does the City Gent have to be fat, thin, black or white or any other. It's just another stupid rule by the football authorities to have just one mascot per club.
The appeal before the kick off about discrimination, this makes a mockery of that, come on City why does the City Gent have to be fat, thin, black or white or any other. It's just another stupid rule by the football authorities to have just one mascot per club. Whoisevans?
  • Score: -2

6:40pm Tue 6 Aug 13

deebatt says...

Supported City since the days of Tom Flockett, people like Lenny have been the life-blood of this club and you really have treated him shabbily, you should be ashamed of yourselves, the man needs a leg up not a kick in the backside. Derek Battye Thornton.
Supported City since the days of Tom Flockett, people like Lenny have been the life-blood of this club and you really have treated him shabbily, you should be ashamed of yourselves, the man needs a leg up not a kick in the backside. Derek Battye Thornton. deebatt
  • Score: 2

8:04pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Mercury_Lime says...

city down south wrote:
Mercury_Lime wrote: Disgraceful ... Lenny is the CITY GENT... granted he might not fit the image now due to the weight loss (Well done by the way). But he is the CITY GENT. I know that Lenny had a small sponsor who helped towards his cost, but last season he made very home and away game. Which h he had to pay for, he had to pay for his own kit, travel, hotels, using holidays from work.... and by the way this included the preseason Ireland games. (No help from City) Before the stupid health and safety gone mad ban of sweets been thrown to the kids, he had to pay for them as well. This man has given his time, his life to the club and to be rubbished and thrown away because of his weight is ridicules. Lenny you will always be our mascot, OUR CITY GENT!!
The Club state that they paid him so how can your statement be correct? He had a choice and has chosen to hang up his bowler, let him go in peace. He has done a good job over the years but times change and he isn't prepared to change with the job description. By the way this was out before the match on saturday at Bristol and I never heard one chant from a crowd that never stopped singing!
Sorry you are correct and I'm sure that £18 a month helped towards all that travel etc....
How much did you pay to watch them over Ireland ?
[quote][p][bold]city down south[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Mercury_Lime[/bold] wrote: Disgraceful ... Lenny is the CITY GENT... granted he might not fit the image now due to the weight loss (Well done by the way). But he is the CITY GENT. I know that Lenny had a small sponsor who helped towards his cost, but last season he made very home and away game. Which h he had to pay for, he had to pay for his own kit, travel, hotels, using holidays from work.... and by the way this included the preseason Ireland games. (No help from City) Before the stupid health and safety gone mad ban of sweets been thrown to the kids, he had to pay for them as well. This man has given his time, his life to the club and to be rubbished and thrown away because of his weight is ridicules. Lenny you will always be our mascot, OUR CITY GENT!![/p][/quote]The Club state that they paid him so how can your statement be correct? He had a choice and has chosen to hang up his bowler, let him go in peace. He has done a good job over the years but times change and he isn't prepared to change with the job description. By the way this was out before the match on saturday at Bristol and I never heard one chant from a crowd that never stopped singing![/p][/quote]Sorry you are correct and I'm sure that £18 a month helped towards all that travel etc.... How much did you pay to watch them over Ireland ? Mercury_Lime
  • Score: 2

8:30pm Tue 6 Aug 13

piper56 says...

what a short sighted board stafford Heginbotham.was stick thin cant see anything of lenny in him its lawn trying to save money i susspect ken bates stopped the bbc from covering the games at leeds beware mr lawn driving support away will cost you money
what a short sighted board stafford Heginbotham.was stick thin cant see anything of lenny in him its lawn trying to save money i susspect ken bates stopped the bbc from covering the games at leeds beware mr lawn driving support away will cost you money piper56
  • Score: -3

9:13pm Tue 6 Aug 13

hightown bantam says...

Massive own goal from the board. Lennie should be the city gent regardless of how he appears (well done for the weight loss by the way). He has done so much good work at the club so come on Mr lawn, do the right thing here, get lennie back and put an end to this stupid decision before it gets out of hand.
Massive own goal from the board. Lennie should be the city gent regardless of how he appears (well done for the weight loss by the way). He has done so much good work at the club so come on Mr lawn, do the right thing here, get lennie back and put an end to this stupid decision before it gets out of hand. hightown bantam
  • Score: -2

10:07pm Tue 6 Aug 13

ollie59 says...

He's so thin it's unbelievable
He's so thin it's unbelievable ollie59
  • Score: 1

10:53pm Tue 6 Aug 13

eccygirl says...

YNWA2005 wrote:
I don't understand the guy was given a chance to wear the sumo costume and he refused! Why moan and cry you had the opportunity.. Another person who would much rather sit on his backside and claim benefits than work.. Typical!
He has a full time job as well so how is he sat on his backside claiming benefits ?!! He was also given stipulations like not been able to attend charity events! He was pushed out!!!! And to top it off he has had to buy a full price season ticket as the cut off date was last weds for the cheaper price ones!
[quote][p][bold]YNWA2005[/bold] wrote: I don't understand the guy was given a chance to wear the sumo costume and he refused! Why moan and cry you had the opportunity.. Another person who would much rather sit on his backside and claim benefits than work.. Typical![/p][/quote]He has a full time job as well so how is he sat on his backside claiming benefits ?!! He was also given stipulations like not been able to attend charity events! He was pushed out!!!! And to top it off he has had to buy a full price season ticket as the cut off date was last weds for the cheaper price ones! eccygirl
  • Score: 0

11:04pm Tue 6 Aug 13

Cityman23 says...

"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS!"
'JOOLS & LAWNEE!'

Jools and Lawnee are sitting in their office enjoying a mid-morning 'Pimms' when the 'T&A' arrives. Jools casually picks it up and is shocked to see the front page!!

J: What the h*** is this? Front page news...'CITY GENT SACKED ..FOR BEING...TOO THIN?!! Lawnee ..what have you been up to..now!!

L: Er..oh that? Er ..yes..was meanin' to talk to you about that!!

J: Yes..I'm waiting!

L: Well..it was whlst you were out of the country..in July...d'ya remember? Me..and er..t' rest of the board thought it needed ..er sortin out!!

J: What?

L: Well..Lenny was fat at one time wasn't he...2XL?!! And now he's down to a 'medium' at least!

J: So?!!

L: Well ...we didn't think he fitted the 'image' of 'The City Gent' anymore. The Gent is meant to be... well....obese.

J: Who says so?

L: It was Stafford Hegginbotham..he modelled the character on himself!!

J: Why? Was he obese? I don't think he needed to be ..fat Lawnee. I mean we're supposed to be a football club...supposed to promote health/fitness surely...??

L: Well yess..I take your point...but his image ..just wasn't right...I mean ..

J: Lawnee! There's something you're not telling me here!

L: Well it was the photographs really ..that did it for me!!

J: What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!

L: You know .pictures with sponsors etc on the field ..before kick off!! After the match!

J:???!!!!

L: I just er..felt...he was ..so slim.......ee made ME look more like 'The City Gent' than he was..it was embarrassing!!

J: So...you're sayin...we've been put through this...'PR' Disaster....all because you felt ...Lenny...made YOU....look bad in club photographs?!!

L: Well....partly...er.
.there were some..er other reasons...The Football League ...don't like human mascots..you know!!

J: Yes...I've often wondered how many of those people were human beings at all.....LAWNEE!!! WHERE ARE YOU OFF TO?!!

L:Er... I' m just going...to get measured up................fo
r a 'sumo suit!!!!!!'







L
"HAPPY VALLEY-EXCESS ALL AREAS!" 'JOOLS & LAWNEE!' Jools and Lawnee are sitting in their office enjoying a mid-morning 'Pimms' when the 'T&A' arrives. Jools casually picks it up and is shocked to see the front page!! J: What the h*** is this? Front page news...'CITY GENT SACKED ..FOR BEING...TOO THIN?!! Lawnee ..what have you been up to..now!! L: Er..oh that? Er ..yes..was meanin' to talk to you about that!! J: Yes..I'm waiting! L: Well..it was whlst you were out of the country..in July...d'ya remember? Me..and er..t' rest of the board thought it needed ..er sortin out!! J: What? L: Well..Lenny was fat at one time wasn't he...2XL?!! And now he's down to a 'medium' at least! J: So?!! L: Well ...we didn't think he fitted the 'image' of 'The City Gent' anymore. The Gent is meant to be... well....obese. J: Who says so? L: It was Stafford Hegginbotham..he modelled the character on himself!! J: Why? Was he obese? I don't think he needed to be ..fat Lawnee. I mean we're supposed to be a football club...supposed to promote health/fitness surely...?? L: Well yess..I take your point...but his image ..just wasn't right...I mean .. J: Lawnee! There's something you're not telling me here! L: Well it was the photographs really ..that did it for me!! J: What?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !! L: You know .pictures with sponsors etc on the field ..before kick off!! After the match! J:???!!!! L: I just er..felt...he was ..so slim.......ee made ME look more like 'The City Gent' than he was..it was embarrassing!! J: So...you're sayin...we've been put through this...'PR' Disaster....all because you felt ...Lenny...made YOU....look bad in club photographs?!! L: Well....partly...er. .there were some..er other reasons...The Football League ...don't like human mascots..you know!! J: Yes...I've often wondered how many of those people were human beings at all.....LAWNEE!!! WHERE ARE YOU OFF TO?!! L:Er... I' m just going...to get measured up................fo r a 'sumo suit!!!!!!' L Cityman23
  • Score: -1

8:33am Wed 7 Aug 13

Whoisevans? says...

Could Bradford City lose any health and fitness money they are paid in order to promote health and well being just a thought. I for one think fat or thin he was a decent guy who did his best to promote Bradford City. I thought he was doing a great job as he is the most respected Mascot through out Football.
Could Bradford City lose any health and fitness money they are paid in order to promote health and well being just a thought. I for one think fat or thin he was a decent guy who did his best to promote Bradford City. I thought he was doing a great job as he is the most respected Mascot through out Football. Whoisevans?
  • Score: -2

2:09pm Thu 8 Aug 13

pokertee says...

tyker7745 wrote:
h was apaid employee:has he been made redundant. and has it been done correctly. ARE THE CLUB GIVING FULL REDUNDANCY PAY ETC E
I dont think he was paid tyker. My brother works with him and he said it is purely voluntary work. He has never really been looked after by BCFC I have been told. He even has to pay for a lot of his away tickets? Whats all that about?

MY IDEA IS REBRAND Lenny to be the all new Skinny City Gent
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: h was apaid employee:has he been made redundant. and has it been done correctly. ARE THE CLUB GIVING FULL REDUNDANCY PAY ETC E[/p][/quote]I dont think he was paid tyker. My brother works with him and he said it is purely voluntary work. He has never really been looked after by BCFC I have been told. He even has to pay for a lot of his away tickets? Whats all that about? MY IDEA IS REBRAND Lenny to be the all new Skinny City Gent pokertee
  • Score: -2

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