Bulls chairman Sutcliffe to challenge RFL over lack of TV money (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I'm sure that the season tickets will start to sell as we get to November, I will be renewing as will others I know too.

However - one more prop??? THREE have left - when the bulls last went into a season with only 3 props under Mcnamara we were woefully under powered and the club went into a decline that nearly ended it. Mcnamara's coaching & recruitment policy was a huge factor in our recent woes.

If Francis has the full salary cap then that is the area he must address first and foremost.

Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

Why's everyone so obsessed with props? We've lost Elima who was a world class 2nd rower and cacky sibbit, we might have young lads but an established world class nitty gritty seconds rower is just as important. Bateman and Elliot are good but we need a dominator in there too.

Absolute garbage as usual from this over opinionated City fan who continues with the same old mantra month after month. Why should the new owners be punished - for pity sake will you answer that?. What have they done to warrant punishment? Is it because they saved a Sporting Bradford and National institution? Saved Jobs? Create new business and investment opportunities? WHY? They didn't run up bad debt. They haven't mismanaged the business. They secured the Club in the face of ridiculous conditions applied by the RFL and even today they have not clarified the conditions that are attached to the club’s one-year probationary Super League licence. Absolutely bloody crazy. I hope GS uses all his connections to over turn these ill thought out sanctions imposed by those amateurs at 'Sod Hall'

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Absolute garbage as usual from this over opinionated City fan who continues with the same old mantra month after month. Why should the new owners be punished - for pity sake will you answer that?. What have they done to warrant punishment? Is it because they saved a Sporting Bradford and National institution? Saved Jobs? Create new business and investment opportunities? WHY? They didn't run up bad debt. They haven't mismanaged the business. They secured the Club in the face of ridiculous conditions applied by the RFL and even today they have not clarified the conditions that are attached to the club’s one-year probationary Super League licence. Absolutely bloody crazy. I hope GS uses all his connections to over turn these ill thought out sanctions imposed by those amateurs at 'Sod Hall'

they have kept some money back to pay for the wages rugby league and sky advanced the bulls.
regardless of what you think the so called amateurs as you put it bailed them out and did them a favour giving them a licence.
might be foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.
it is a PROBATIONARY licence after all, annoy enough people and you may find they do not get another!!
take the medicine and move on...

tinytoonster wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Absolute garbage as usual from this over opinionated City fan who continues with the same old mantra month after month. Why should the new owners be punished - for pity sake will you answer that?. What have they done to warrant punishment? Is it because they saved a Sporting Bradford and National institution? Saved Jobs? Create new business and investment opportunities? WHY? They didn't run up bad debt. They haven't mismanaged the business. They secured the Club in the face of ridiculous conditions applied by the RFL and even today they have not clarified the conditions that are attached to the club’s one-year probationary Super League licence. Absolutely bloody crazy. I hope GS uses all his connections to over turn these ill thought out sanctions imposed by those amateurs at 'Sod Hall'

they have kept some money back to pay for the wages rugby league and sky advanced the bulls.
regardless of what you think the so called amateurs as you put it bailed them out and did them a favour giving them a licence.
might be foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.
it is a PROBATIONARY licence after all, annoy enough people and you may find they do not get another!!
take the medicine and move on...

Sky didn't advance any monies.Sky pay the RFL and they allocate it. Now,check the meaning of the word 'advanced' in the context of this situation and you'll see the error in that statement you made. The governing body of our game is a joke, demonstrated wonderfully by today's televised mismatch in front of a crowd disguised as empty seats with a TV audience of millions. Well done RFL. Our game is safe in your hands.

Sheffieldbull wrote:

tinytoonster wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Absolute garbage as usual from this over opinionated City fan who continues with the same old mantra month after month. Why should the new owners be punished - for pity sake will you answer that?. What have they done to warrant punishment? Is it because they saved a Sporting Bradford and National institution? Saved Jobs? Create new business and investment opportunities? WHY? They didn't run up bad debt. They haven't mismanaged the business. They secured the Club in the face of ridiculous conditions applied by the RFL and even today they have not clarified the conditions that are attached to the club’s one-year probationary Super League licence. Absolutely bloody crazy. I hope GS uses all his connections to over turn these ill thought out sanctions imposed by those amateurs at 'Sod Hall'

they have kept some money back to pay for the wages rugby league and sky advanced the bulls.
regardless of what you think the so called amateurs as you put it bailed them out and did them a favour giving them a licence.
might be foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.
it is a PROBATIONARY licence after all, annoy enough people and you may find they do not get another!!
take the medicine and move on...

Sky didn't advance any monies.Sky pay the RFL and they allocate it. Now,check the meaning of the word 'advanced' in the context of this situation and you'll see the error in that statement you made. The governing body of our game is a joke, demonstrated wonderfully by today's televised mismatch in front of a crowd disguised as empty seats with a TV audience of millions. Well done RFL. Our game is safe in your hands.

i think you need to check your facts, sky paid bulls tv money early to help them.
it was in the papers and bulls fans actually thanked them for it in a comment!!
its become sod you jack i'm alright with bulls fans now.
grateful to other teams and rfl when in admin but not now.
short memories.
you cannot show teams with big support on tv all the time, its got to be fair for all otherwise money will not be spread out.

rfl advanced money from sky deal early, same difference, still sky money!
leeds gave you 70 grand from away tickets.
a bit of gratitude and silence should be used.

tinytoonster wrote:
rfl advanced money from sky deal early, same difference, still sky money!
leeds gave you 70 grand from away tickets.
a bit of gratitude and silence should be used.

Tinytoonster, you have misread and misunderstood. The post was referring to the RFL, showing the international on TV today. Note what type of game, in RU that game would have attracted 80k, ours 2500. So why humiliate yourselves, when your trying to sell the game.

As to monies given to Bulls by RFL and other clubs. All clubs have been thanked as have the RFL. Nothing to do with SKY. All Bulls supporters have nothing but good feelings for those clubs and supporters who helped. But the club that was without cash was Bradford Bulls Holdings, not OK Bulls. All we are saying it seems unfair that the current owner should be punished for misdeeds of others.

Now I suggest you go back to annoying others. You are using this as a political subject. You obviously have no love of Sutcliffe. Nor do know or understand the Rugby League family.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

Tvor, back on here, we know you don't like the Bulls or Sutcliffe. He is not asking for debts to be cleared, as they have NO debts. These are the problem of Bradford Bulls Holdings. Any how where does this article mention " debts " I'll tell you no where. You only raise your ugly snout at the mention of the Bulls and Money.

Now beggar off and make a statement on why your beloved City, got beaten today. Would that have something to do with you having a player Red carded and two central defenders injured. I think it's highly likely. Apparently they didn't play to badly. But with 10 men you can't expect to win. But you look as though your in trouble for at least 4/6 games. Your opinion would be welcome. Where you there today?

tinytoonster wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

tinytoonster wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Absolute garbage as usual from this over opinionated City fan who continues with the same old mantra month after month. Why should the new owners be punished - for pity sake will you answer that?. What have they done to warrant punishment? Is it because they saved a Sporting Bradford and National institution? Saved Jobs? Create new business and investment opportunities? WHY? They didn't run up bad debt. They haven't mismanaged the business. They secured the Club in the face of ridiculous conditions applied by the RFL and even today they have not clarified the conditions that are attached to the club’s one-year probationary Super League licence. Absolutely bloody crazy. I hope GS uses all his connections to over turn these ill thought out sanctions imposed by those amateurs at 'Sod Hall'

they have kept some money back to pay for the wages rugby league and sky advanced the bulls.
regardless of what you think the so called amateurs as you put it bailed them out and did them a favour giving them a licence.
might be foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.
it is a PROBATIONARY licence after all, annoy enough people and you may find they do not get another!!
take the medicine and move on...

Sky didn't advance any monies.Sky pay the RFL and they allocate it. Now,check the meaning of the word 'advanced' in the context of this situation and you'll see the error in that statement you made. The governing body of our game is a joke, demonstrated wonderfully by today's televised mismatch in front of a crowd disguised as empty seats with a TV audience of millions. Well done RFL. Our game is safe in your hands.

i think you need to check your facts, sky paid bulls tv money early to help them.
it was in the papers and bulls fans actually thanked them for it in a comment!!
its become sod you jack i'm alright with bulls fans now.
grateful to other teams and rfl when in admin but not now.
short memories.
you cannot show teams with big support on tv all the time, its got to be fair for all otherwise money will not be spread out.

No! you check your bloody facts sunshine! You are out of your depth, as indeed you would be in a puddle. Cannot be bothered with you thicko, off you pop! (it was in the papers...classic, Doh!)

2,500 ST's = pathetic
Honorary chairman going back on what has already been agreed is embarrassing and disingenuous.
Your small club is once again trawling uncharted depths. What makes Sutcliffe think that Yorkshire's 5th or 6th biggest club has any right to bemoan their position, take what you are offered and be grateful for it.

Why should the new owners of any club, that has gone into administration. Be penalised for what the previous owners have done. Not just in RL, but in any sport. How would you feel if it happened to Whinos. How would a Wakey fan feel when it happens to them, or a Salford fan or any fan for that matter. Not a very nice thought is it. Don't say it won't happen to you, it might. Nobody knows what is going to happen in the future. It's not a sport that is gathering fans from other areas. Gates for playoffs down, nobody going to internationals. What does that tell you. Tells me it's a sport on the way down, unless the RFL step in now.

You, just stick to Rhinos, leave the Bulls to us. Funny how you were all wrong re Bulls getting a fee from Giants. Therefore stands to reason your wrong about a lot of stuff. Watch for another announcement on Monday. This one should give the SL and RFL and other clubs a kick up the shorts.

Wasn't part of the negotiations to be accepted back into the super league was to waive some of the sky cash.
So all this was agreed with it being realised that being part of Super League was the mkst jmportant issue.
So now Sutcliffe wants to move the goalposts.
What next are the Bulls going to start complaining about thr rent of Odsal part way through the season?

Tvor, back to City, now. Just because you don't like Sutcliffe and there's money involved. Odeon still in trouble, bloody big hole in Forster Square. They are problems that involve HUGE amounts of cash, as a citizen of Bradford, that should be your major concern. Not the Bulls.

Just a note to tiny, ALL monies paid to Bulls by RFL were actually OURS, our, share of SKY money paid early. Not RFLs, Not Sky.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

tvor just a quick comment before i pop off for my breakfast.i notice that your"team" lost yesterday and yet you failed as a true supporter to make any comment whatsoever,prefering instead to wind up the true supporters on the bulls site.perhaps the reason for that is your not wanted judging by some of the comments.anyway time for breakfast and i wont be responding to any comments you make,i will only feed a troll once.

col 64 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

tvor just a quick comment before i pop off for my breakfast.i notice that your"team" lost yesterday and yet you failed as a true supporter to make any comment whatsoever,prefering instead to wind up the true supporters on the bulls site.perhaps the reason for that is your not wanted judging by some of the comments.anyway time for breakfast and i wont be responding to any comments you make,i will only feed a troll once.

You will find if you look I have commented on the loss of Davies and what a blow it will be.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

col 64 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

tvor just a quick comment before i pop off for my breakfast.i notice that your"team" lost yesterday and yet you failed as a true supporter to make any comment whatsoever,prefering instead to wind up the true supporters on the bulls site.perhaps the reason for that is your not wanted judging by some of the comments.anyway time for breakfast and i wont be responding to any comments you make,i will only feed a troll once.

You will find if you look I have commented on the loss of Davies and what a blow it will be.

Two lines, oh, wow, tvor. Big of You. The phrase you used, can I assume you weren't at the game. Both centre backs injured. Could be a major problem, if they're both out for any length of time. Your opinion would be welcome. Mind you as, no money or
Sutcliffe involved, I doubt you have one.

theviking62 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

col 64 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

tvor just a quick comment before i pop off for my breakfast.i notice that your"team" lost yesterday and yet you failed as a true supporter to make any comment whatsoever,prefering instead to wind up the true supporters on the bulls site.perhaps the reason for that is your not wanted judging by some of the comments.anyway time for breakfast and i wont be responding to any comments you make,i will only feed a troll once.

You will find if you look I have commented on the loss of Davies and what a blow it will be.

Two lines, oh, wow, tvor. Big of You. The phrase you used, can I assume you weren't at the game. Both centre backs injured. Could be a major problem, if they're both out for any length of time. Your opinion would be welcome. Mind you as, no money or
Sutcliffe involved, I doubt you have one.

Where's this massive announcement yesterday viking? Have I missed it somewhere?
Anything to say about Sutcliffe moaning about what has already been agreed, is it time to start panicking? C**p ST sales, Lord Mayor begging fans to turn up, OK reputation in freefall, bulls fans very fickle and tight, the only glimmer of hope is that your small mammal breeding enterprise seems to be thriving. Deffo time to panick for you dulls.

Leeds Rhino's..SL champions :)

Shelfrhino wrote:

theviking62 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

col 64 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

tvor just a quick comment before i pop off for my breakfast.i notice that your"team" lost yesterday and yet you failed as a true supporter to make any comment whatsoever,prefering instead to wind up the true supporters on the bulls site.perhaps the reason for that is your not wanted judging by some of the comments.anyway time for breakfast and i wont be responding to any comments you make,i will only feed a troll once.

You will find if you look I have commented on the loss of Davies and what a blow it will be.

Two lines, oh, wow, tvor. Big of You. The phrase you used, can I assume you weren't at the game. Both centre backs injured. Could be a major problem, if they're both out for any length of time. Your opinion would be welcome. Mind you as, no money or
Sutcliffe involved, I doubt you have one.

Where's this massive announcement yesterday viking? Have I missed it somewhere?
Anything to say about Sutcliffe moaning about what has already been agreed, is it time to start panicking? C**p ST sales, Lord Mayor begging fans to turn up, OK reputation in freefall, bulls fans very fickle and tight, the only glimmer of hope is that your small mammal breeding enterprise seems to be thriving. Deffo time to panick for you dulls.

Leeds Rhino's..SL champions :)

If you took time to read my posts, I never said the announcement was going to be made on a specific day. I said an announcement that would be see other clubs envious. You'll see shortly, then I'll send you a spoon for your humble pie.


Your beaten already when you resort to insults of a personal nature .Oh by the way panic has no "k" in it. Who have Leeds signed this close season.

Desperately short of money. And begging again. Me khan and sutcliffe knew what they were getting into and are now dead men walking as are skint!
By the way these vile personal insults and threats from theviking62
Is this bulls generally manager by any chance? Seems like his style to turn nasty when the heat is on.

Bullbreath wrote:
Desperately short of money. And begging again. Me khan and sutcliffe knew what they were getting into and are now dead men walking as are skint!
By the way these vile personal insults and threats from theviking62
Is this bulls generally manager by any chance? Seems like his style to turn nasty when the heat is on.

Bull breath aka FAKE, vile threats, insults. If you want to see the above refer to Shelfrhino. The Bulls are not short of money. They rcd a fee for Kopout Kid. Have a sponsor on board, announcement to be made this week. Give me your address and I'll send you a spoon to humble pie with.

You keep trying Fake but your beginning to be annoying.

Forgot to say, I never make threats. Just promises. FAKE.

theviking62 wrote:

Shelfrhino wrote:

theviking62 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

col 64 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Please Mr Suttcliffe please don't embarass this club more by having debts cleared, a place in super league but still wanting a big slice of the pie.
Accept the punishment and move on.

tvor just a quick comment before i pop off for my breakfast.i notice that your"team" lost yesterday and yet you failed as a true supporter to make any comment whatsoever,prefering instead to wind up the true supporters on the bulls site.perhaps the reason for that is your not wanted judging by some of the comments.anyway time for breakfast and i wont be responding to any comments you make,i will only feed a troll once.

You will find if you look I have commented on the loss of Davies and what a blow it will be.

Two lines, oh, wow, tvor. Big of You. The phrase you used, can I assume you weren't at the game. Both centre backs injured. Could be a major problem, if they're both out for any length of time. Your opinion would be welcome. Mind you as, no money or
Sutcliffe involved, I doubt you have one.

Where's this massive announcement yesterday viking? Have I missed it somewhere?
Anything to say about Sutcliffe moaning about what has already been agreed, is it time to start panicking? C**p ST sales, Lord Mayor begging fans to turn up, OK reputation in freefall, bulls fans very fickle and tight, the only glimmer of hope is that your small mammal breeding enterprise seems to be thriving. Deffo time to panick for you dulls.

Leeds Rhino's..SL champions :)

If you took time to read my posts, I never said the announcement was going to be made on a specific day. I said an announcement that would be see other clubs envious. You'll see shortly, then I'll send you a spoon for your humble pie.


Your beaten already when you resort to insults of a personal nature .Oh by the way panic has no "k" in it. Who have Leeds signed this close season.

So you never wrote this on Friday then
eviking62 says...
8:28pm Fri 26 Oct 12

Haven't got answer have you. You were wrong and won't admit it. You'll be even more brasses off tomorrow, when you see the news. Remember, research always wins through. Oh, I'm a non drinker, teetotal, do not partake, do you understand. Probably not, as you don't understand when to admit your wrong.

As for the personal insults, nowhere do I insult anyone personally, unlike you calling people idiots etc.

You really are quite sad.

You don't insult people give it a rest.

Yes you'll be brassed off tomorrow, egg, humble pie, springs to mind.

You and your ilk always refer to type when you haven't got an answer.

Black rat or brown rat. Fool.

You don't insult people give it a rest.

Yes you'll be brassed off tomorrow, egg, humble pie, springs to mind.

You and your ilk always refer to type when you haven't got an answer.

Black rat or brown rat. Fool.

tinytoonster wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:

tinytoonster wrote:

Sheffieldbull wrote:
Absolute garbage as usual from this over opinionated City fan who continues with the same old mantra month after month. Why should the new owners be punished - for pity sake will you answer that?. What have they done to warrant punishment? Is it because they saved a Sporting Bradford and National institution? Saved Jobs? Create new business and investment opportunities? WHY? They didn't run up bad debt. They haven't mismanaged the business. They secured the Club in the face of ridiculous conditions applied by the RFL and even today they have not clarified the conditions that are attached to the club’s one-year probationary Super League licence. Absolutely bloody crazy. I hope GS uses all his connections to over turn these ill thought out sanctions imposed by those amateurs at 'Sod Hall'

they have kept some money back to pay for the wages rugby league and sky advanced the bulls.
regardless of what you think the so called amateurs as you put it bailed them out and did them a favour giving them a licence.
might be foolish to bite the hand that feeds you.
it is a PROBATIONARY licence after all, annoy enough people and you may find they do not get another!!
take the medicine and move on...

Sky didn't advance any monies.Sky pay the RFL and they allocate it. Now,check the meaning of the word 'advanced' in the context of this situation and you'll see the error in that statement you made. The governing body of our game is a joke, demonstrated wonderfully by today's televised mismatch in front of a crowd disguised as empty seats with a TV audience of millions. Well done RFL. Our game is safe in your hands.

i think you need to check your facts, sky paid bulls tv money early to help them.
it was in the papers and bulls fans actually thanked them for it in a comment!!
its become sod you jack i'm alright with bulls fans now.
grateful to other teams and rfl when in admin but not now.
short memories.
you cannot show teams with big support on tv all the time, its got to be fair for all otherwise money will not be spread out.

You can't really compete with such insidious rubbish shef.
The man knows sod all, but feels he can convince everyone that the sod all he knows is believable if he adds a bit more to the normal rubbish he spouts.
You and I know the SKY BSB deal was £90 million over 5 years and paid to the RFL for them to distribute to every Super League club in equal increments per year. (£1.28 M per club).
So the money advanced to the Bulls in 2012 season was theirs by right, as a contract was agreed. Therefore to reduce the payments in 2013 could probably be in breach of contract between SKY and the RFL.?
Certainly the new owners of the Bulls should not be penalised by past circumstances which were not of their making. It may be worth mentioning that going into administration is not a criminal offence, and therefore words like punishment are totally unwarranted. especially when used to the new owners of the business
(see Mr TVORs comment)

Is viking62 mr Duffy?
How pathetic are you with your childish threats and insults. You really take it to heart when people criticise Bradford bull ****! Why do you take it so personaly?
Are you receiving psychiatric help? Or just of low intelligence or...just a typical Bradford bulls moron with a low IQ!
Or are you mr stuart Duffy hiding behind a computer?
Get a life you sad ****!

there are some pretty sad people on here .. its th likes of Shelfrhino that reminds me i'm proud to be a Bradford Bull!

Its pretty sad that he needs to spend so much time on here .. trying to be little other peoples club? .. Does he feel inadequate in his own life that he needs to put other people down?

You would have thought that a club which is as well run as the Leeds Rhinos would have their own source of media outlet where THEIR fans could comment about THEIR club rather than having to go onto other sites and come out with cheap shots!

No doubt i will have some vindictive comeback from the likes of him for questioning why he needs to troll? but to be fair it will just make me smile and laugh even more and be thankful that Bradford dont have fans who operate at his level!

can i add Bullbreath to the line of really sad people whose own life is pretty inadequate!

However i must admit .. I will write down the brilliant comment about Bulls££t .. very original and clever line!

Again i dont understand why this type of person needs to be so vindictive against other people who just support their OWN team.

Would it not make more sense to spend his and their time doing something positive in their lives rather than just insulting people?

Thankfully i have no desire to go on to the local paper of Huddersfield or Leeds and come out with mindless trolling!

I will continue to support my local clubs .. and do positive and constructive things .. if that be comments or actions so be it!

I dont feel the need to "**** in the general directions" of any other club!

again no doubt i will insulted for just suggesting people concentrate on the positives of their own clubs!

Bullbreath wrote:
Is viking62 mr Duffy?
How pathetic are you with your childish threats and insults. You really take it to heart when people criticise Bradford bull ****! Why do you take it so personaly?
Are you receiving psychiatric help? Or just of low intelligence or...just a typical Bradford bulls moron with a low IQ!
Or are you mr stuart Duffy hiding behind a computer?
Get a life you sad ****!

Bull breath stinks, you'll see that I'll be vindicated by the end of the week. Big announcement in t n a. As to having treatment no. Intelligence low no. Moron no. Member of MENSA? Apart from the last point, the previous three fit you to a "T". Re beer no threats, just promises, FAKE. Get a life. Keyboard cowgirl, oh sorry that's your other personality A SensibleLady, FAKE.

I expect to hear from you soon, FAKE.

theviking62 wrote:
You don't insult people give it a rest.

Yes you'll be brassed off tomorrow, egg, humble pie, springs to mind.

You and your ilk always refer to type when you haven't got an answer.

Black rat or brown rat. Fool.

Another day and still no announcement, only egg around here is all over your face, I least I think it's egg, it could be sheffdull leaving his mark on you.

A little tip to raise some much needed money for your cash strapped joke of a club, rats are selling at £1,30 for snake food, have a word with the rat breeder, it may get you a new forward ;)