Baldwin urges Bantams fans to keep-er calm!

Jordan Pickford playing against City for Carlisle last season

Jordan Pickford playing against City for Carlisle last season

First published in Sport

CITY fans have been told not to panic over keeper Jordan Pickford’s loan status.

The Sunderland youngster, installed as the number one for next season by Phil Parkinson, has been barred from playing in the Capital One and FA Cups by the Premier League club.

Under the terms of the deal, they could also take him back to the Stadium of Light any time after his first month at the club.

But director of operations David Baldwin does not fear that scenario and insists there is no need for supporters to fret.

He said: “In nearly every loan player agreement, the parent club can recall them. It’s very rare not to have that provision, especially if they are under the age of 21 and on a youth loan document.

“You are only protected from a recall for the first 28 days. After that any club can pull someone back at 24 hours’ notice.

“It’s nothing new. Scott Loach had a 24-hour recall when Stuart McCall brought him in, Adam Reach, Matty Dolan and Kyel Bennett were the same last season.

“From our point of view, there’s nothing to worry about in terms of that element. It’s more protection for Sunderland if we aren’t using him.

“The club want to see him get regular first-team experience. He is going to get that being selected by us.

“If he does well, it is a good learning curve for him. There’s no cause for concern.

“I imagine Sunderland don’t have him on their immediate radar but to put him on a four-year deal shows they see him very much as one for the future.”

Pickford’s capture ended a long period of deliberation for Parkinson before he finally opted to back the highly-rated 20-year-old over Jon McLaughlin. The length of time showed the City boss wanted to make sure he was totally confident in the player to deliver.

Pickford, who made his first appearance on Saturday against Blackburn, played 31 games on loan with Burton and Carlisle last season – his first in league football.

Baldwin added: “When a 24-hour recall is imposed, it’s normally because his parent club have a massive number of injuries.

“They might get injuries and need him in a cup so it’s fairly common practice to put that (clause) in.

“Cup runs are generally when you give the alternate keeper a run. Think of our cup run when (Matt) Duke was in goal but Jon played the league games.

“This is why you do your homework to see how many they have in that position already.

“The other scenario for a recall is having a player at a club who is not being utilised.

“We want a number one and he is someone who has come in with a big reputation. They want their prime young talent who has represented England under-19s to get that next level of experience.

“He is going to do that with us and they are generating a return of cost against him. He hasn’t come to us for free – some of his wages are being covered by us.

“So it’s in the interests of both clubs that he is playing.”

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8:14am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-)

We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.
Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-) We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge. jamiejoe
  • Score: 10

8:39am Wed 30 Jul 14

tyker2 says...

and what happens in cup competitions then ? To compare this situation to Jonny Mac and Duke is irrelevant. We have just one loan keeper. What happens if a injury occurs or he is recalled. We play a 16 year old from the juniors do we?

I think, Dave, you ought not to worry what the supporters think but what he club's manger thinks and needs to mount creditable squad for this season
and what happens in cup competitions then ? To compare this situation to Jonny Mac and Duke is irrelevant. We have just one loan keeper. What happens if a injury occurs or he is recalled. We play a 16 year old from the juniors do we? I think, Dave, you ought not to worry what the supporters think but what he club's manger thinks and needs to mount creditable squad for this season tyker2
  • Score: 11

8:42am Wed 30 Jul 14

Hoggy64 says...

The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players.

Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.
The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players. Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size. Hoggy64
  • Score: 12

9:00am Wed 30 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb
are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.
..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall. whisky1
  • Score: 4

9:09am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

whisky1 wrote:
..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb

are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.
There is a big difference between full panic and genuine interest and disquiet.

Which Parky shares over the squad.

David Baldwin too. As long as we get the right players in - the message at the start of the summer was that we were in a good position to do business.

Anyway, Whisky1 - the voice of the VP board on the T&A message board, are you conformable with the 17 man squad we have? Mr it will be alright on the night.

(17 minus 1 injury) and a few good young 'uns?
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: ..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.[/p][/quote]There is a big difference between full panic and genuine interest and disquiet. Which Parky shares over the squad. David Baldwin too. As long as we get the right players in - the message at the start of the summer was that we were in a good position to do business. Anyway, Whisky1 - the voice of the VP board on the T&A message board, are you conformable with the 17 man squad we have? Mr it will be alright on the night. (17 minus 1 injury) and a few good young 'uns? jamiejoe
  • Score: 0

9:24am Wed 30 Jul 14

silverbantam says...

It would have been easy for Parky to give Johnny Mac a small pay rise and keep him at City as his number one, but if the club want to progress then we need a better keeper. I trust Parky with his decision to sign a loan keeper which will benefit the club in the long term.
It would have been easy for Parky to give Johnny Mac a small pay rise and keep him at City as his number one, but if the club want to progress then we need a better keeper. I trust Parky with his decision to sign a loan keeper which will benefit the club in the long term. silverbantam
  • Score: 9

9:25am Wed 30 Jul 14

Farsley Bantam says...

jamiejoe wrote:
[Sorry JJ but you can't make any criticisms about BCFC on here, no matter how justified they might be.

Whisky1, who takes even the slightest criticism of the board/manager/club personally, is able to see the bigger picture at all times. Anyone who doesn't share his vision is a doom monger.

The fact is JJ, you have shown a few slight concerns about the size of the squad and in doing so you have revealed to us that you are not a proper fan. The only real fan we have is Whisky1.
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: [Sorry JJ but you can't make any criticisms about BCFC on here, no matter how justified they might be. Whisky1, who takes even the slightest criticism of the board/manager/club personally, is able to see the bigger picture at all times. Anyone who doesn't share his vision is a doom monger. The fact is JJ, you have shown a few slight concerns about the size of the squad and in doing so you have revealed to us that you are not a proper fan. The only real fan we have is Whisky1. Farsley Bantam
  • Score: -2

9:33am Wed 30 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

PP has said from Day one that the emphasis would be on loan signings and there was an element of risk with this and that the signings would be later rather than sooner. I think you are putting words into DBs mouth in terms of recruitment. Read the interview on W of P there is no concern at the moment. With such a significant overhaul there will alus be an element of uncertainty. PP has expressed concern over the goalkeeping situation no more. Personally I think it unwise to spend money on two Number 1 keepers( and also incidently on 2 specialist left backs albeit that both are versatile)...but that is PPs choice. He has been well backed since he came and I am sure he would acknowledge that. Overall the management of the club on and off the pitch for the last 3 or 4 years has been good. Mistakes will be made on both fronts but it is unfair and unrealistic to expect everything to run smoothly and what one should object to is fans jumping on the first suggestion of disharmony and start caning the Club. Positivity and success feed of themselves and as DB has said enjoy the journey with them. They are involved in the club for the right reasons which cannot be said for many football club owners and deserve to be cut a significant amount of slack. I follow City for the enjoyment of supporting a club through good and bad I have enough stress in my own job to have a gurly panic about when and who we sign pre season. Chill.
PP has said from Day one that the emphasis would be on loan signings and there was an element of risk with this and that the signings would be later rather than sooner. I think you are putting words into DBs mouth in terms of recruitment. Read the interview on W of P there is no concern at the moment. With such a significant overhaul there will alus be an element of uncertainty. PP has expressed concern over the goalkeeping situation no more. Personally I think it unwise to spend money on two Number 1 keepers( and also incidently on 2 specialist left backs albeit that both are versatile)...but that is PPs choice. He has been well backed since he came and I am sure he would acknowledge that. Overall the management of the club on and off the pitch for the last 3 or 4 years has been good. Mistakes will be made on both fronts but it is unfair and unrealistic to expect everything to run smoothly and what one should object to is fans jumping on the first suggestion of disharmony and start caning the Club. Positivity and success feed of themselves and as DB has said enjoy the journey with them. They are involved in the club for the right reasons which cannot be said for many football club owners and deserve to be cut a significant amount of slack. I follow City for the enjoyment of supporting a club through good and bad I have enough stress in my own job to have a gurly panic about when and who we sign pre season. Chill. whisky1
  • Score: 24

10:05am Wed 30 Jul 14

Plastic Bantam says...

whisky1 wrote:
..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.
A rift between board and manager?!?!?! Where have you pulled that from.. Talk about making stuff up.. All managers at this level will want more from the board.. However they can't give what they don't have.. Yes he will be frustrated by it. But to suggest he's at logger heads with them is just silly!!! and ill-advised!
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: ..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.[/p][/quote]A rift between board and manager?!?!?! Where have you pulled that from.. Talk about making stuff up.. All managers at this level will want more from the board.. However they can't give what they don't have.. Yes he will be frustrated by it. But to suggest he's at logger heads with them is just silly!!! and ill-advised! Plastic Bantam
  • Score: 5

10:06am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

jamiejoe wrote:
Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-)

We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.
Dave does not answer the question. The turnaround in the attitude of the directors to loan players is remarkable. However, as Mr. Lawn and now Dave say, there is no need to panic!
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-) We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.[/p][/quote]Dave does not answer the question. The turnaround in the attitude of the directors to loan players is remarkable. However, as Mr. Lawn and now Dave say, there is no need to panic! Peter300
  • Score: -2

10:08am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

tyker2 wrote:
and what happens in cup competitions then ? To compare this situation to Jonny Mac and Duke is irrelevant. We have just one loan keeper. What happens if a injury occurs or he is recalled. We play a 16 year old from the juniors do we?

I think, Dave, you ought not to worry what the supporters think but what he club's manger thinks and needs to mount creditable squad for this season
We sign another loan player, as has happened in the past. Anyway what are you bothered about what the manager thinks? Do don't rate him anyway.
[quote][p][bold]tyker2[/bold] wrote: and what happens in cup competitions then ? To compare this situation to Jonny Mac and Duke is irrelevant. We have just one loan keeper. What happens if a injury occurs or he is recalled. We play a 16 year old from the juniors do we? I think, Dave, you ought not to worry what the supporters think but what he club's manger thinks and needs to mount creditable squad for this season[/p][/quote]We sign another loan player, as has happened in the past. Anyway what are you bothered about what the manager thinks? Do don't rate him anyway. Peter300
  • Score: -9

10:15am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

whisky1 wrote:
..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb

are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.
Yeah, fans in panic mode. A typical close season. Given the regular nature of these panics there must be evidence that these people enjoy a good panic. I bet the directors are urging the manager to hold back on another keeper. Just to see the reaction of these people.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: ..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.[/p][/quote]Yeah, fans in panic mode. A typical close season. Given the regular nature of these panics there must be evidence that these people enjoy a good panic. I bet the directors are urging the manager to hold back on another keeper. Just to see the reaction of these people. Peter300
  • Score: -11

10:19am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

jamiejoe wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb


are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.
There is a big difference between full panic and genuine interest and disquiet.

Which Parky shares over the squad.

David Baldwin too. As long as we get the right players in - the message at the start of the summer was that we were in a good position to do business.

Anyway, Whisky1 - the voice of the VP board on the T&A message board, are you conformable with the 17 man squad we have? Mr it will be alright on the night.

(17 minus 1 injury) and a few good young 'uns?
The transfer window closes on the 31st of August you know. The large number of signings made up to that date in previous years suggests that managers do not complete their squads until then. And you know what happens a week later.
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: ..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.[/p][/quote]There is a big difference between full panic and genuine interest and disquiet. Which Parky shares over the squad. David Baldwin too. As long as we get the right players in - the message at the start of the summer was that we were in a good position to do business. Anyway, Whisky1 - the voice of the VP board on the T&A message board, are you conformable with the 17 man squad we have? Mr it will be alright on the night. (17 minus 1 injury) and a few good young 'uns?[/p][/quote]The transfer window closes on the 31st of August you know. The large number of signings made up to that date in previous years suggests that managers do not complete their squads until then. And you know what happens a week later. Peter300
  • Score: -7

10:19am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

Peter300 wrote:
jamiejoe wrote:
Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-)

We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.
Dave does not answer the question. The turnaround in the attitude of the directors to loan players is remarkable. However, as Mr. Lawn and now Dave say, there is no need to panic!
Peter - we are not panicking - just a tad concerned at the lack of goal keeper and real strength in depth.

If we get the loan players in on the budget remaining that is a temporary solution which could see us through, better than a bad signing who does not play or costs more than Nakhi Wells did to score goals.

Peter, whilst you are still here ... do you have every confidence that Prem. loan players will move to Bradford? The beautiful countryside tends not to be high on your agenda at 21 years old.

Those from the North West or North East we have a shout on, it will be harder to tempt them out of London town, maybe from the Midlands too!
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-) We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.[/p][/quote]Dave does not answer the question. The turnaround in the attitude of the directors to loan players is remarkable. However, as Mr. Lawn and now Dave say, there is no need to panic![/p][/quote]Peter - we are not panicking - just a tad concerned at the lack of goal keeper and real strength in depth. If we get the loan players in on the budget remaining that is a temporary solution which could see us through, better than a bad signing who does not play or costs more than Nakhi Wells did to score goals. Peter, whilst you are still here ... do you have every confidence that Prem. loan players will move to Bradford? The beautiful countryside tends not to be high on your agenda at 21 years old. Those from the North West or North East we have a shout on, it will be harder to tempt them out of London town, maybe from the Midlands too! jamiejoe
  • Score: 10

10:21am Wed 30 Jul 14

bahamianbantam says...

Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing, bahamianbantam
  • Score: 4

10:22am Wed 30 Jul 14

wakefieldbantam says...

Peter300 wrote:
whisky1 wrote:
..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb


are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.
Yeah, fans in panic mode. A typical close season. Given the regular nature of these panics there must be evidence that these people enjoy a good panic. I bet the directors are urging the manager to hold back on another keeper. Just to see the reaction of these people.
Yes Peter300 but in case you haven't noticed the close season has nearly ended and we are way short of numbers and yes I am well aware of the loan signings. Question is where are they?
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: ..its a bit late..some fans are in full panic mode and not just about the Goalkeeping situation....threadb are squad ...a rift between board and Manager ad infinitum. A fairly typical close season overall.[/p][/quote]Yeah, fans in panic mode. A typical close season. Given the regular nature of these panics there must be evidence that these people enjoy a good panic. I bet the directors are urging the manager to hold back on another keeper. Just to see the reaction of these people.[/p][/quote]Yes Peter300 but in case you haven't noticed the close season has nearly ended and we are way short of numbers and yes I am well aware of the loan signings. Question is where are they? wakefieldbantam
  • Score: 5

10:23am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

silverbantam wrote:
It would have been easy for Parky to give Johnny Mac a small pay rise and keep him at City as his number one, but if the club want to progress then we need a better keeper. I trust Parky with his decision to sign a loan keeper which will benefit the club in the long term.
You say it would be easy to give Jon a small pay rise. You do not know what he was rightly asking for. Only time will tell, but I would not be inclined to trust your judgement in finding a better keeper with the money allocated. We had an excellent keeper at the club already. 14 clean sheets last season.
[quote][p][bold]silverbantam[/bold] wrote: It would have been easy for Parky to give Johnny Mac a small pay rise and keep him at City as his number one, but if the club want to progress then we need a better keeper. I trust Parky with his decision to sign a loan keeper which will benefit the club in the long term.[/p][/quote]You say it would be easy to give Jon a small pay rise. You do not know what he was rightly asking for. Only time will tell, but I would not be inclined to trust your judgement in finding a better keeper with the money allocated. We had an excellent keeper at the club already. 14 clean sheets last season. Peter300
  • Score: -6

10:27am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

whisky1 wrote:
PP has said from Day one that the emphasis would be on loan signings and there was an element of risk with this and that the signings would be later rather than sooner. I think you are putting words into DBs mouth in terms of recruitment. Read the interview on W of P there is no concern at the moment. With such a significant overhaul there will alus be an element of uncertainty. PP has expressed concern over the goalkeeping situation no more. Personally I think it unwise to spend money on two Number 1 keepers( and also incidently on 2 specialist left backs albeit that both are versatile)...but that is PPs choice. He has been well backed since he came and I am sure he would acknowledge that. Overall the management of the club on and off the pitch for the last 3 or 4 years has been good. Mistakes will be made on both fronts but it is unfair and unrealistic to expect everything to run smoothly and what one should object to is fans jumping on the first suggestion of disharmony and start caning the Club. Positivity and success feed of themselves and as DB has said enjoy the journey with them. They are involved in the club for the right reasons which cannot be said for many football club owners and deserve to be cut a significant amount of slack. I follow City for the enjoyment of supporting a club through good and bad I have enough stress in my own job to have a gurly panic about when and who we sign pre season. Chill.
The club did say at the end of the season not being involved in the Play Off's meant we had much longer to do our signings and summer business, and we could avoid last minute deals.

Then the message came out with World Cup, club tours, later Prem. kick off that loans would take longer. That we need to be patient to get the right players.

It is a loan deal, younger players are more likely to go to play in the capital in lower leagues, or along the M4 to Swindon or Reading or up to Watford and MK Dons so they can go back to London with their mates on a Saturday night. Okay, more good players play in the NW but the London clubs sweep up most from the SE and South Coast and capital.

It seems that DB was putting the emphasis on letting JM go on Parky, who made it clear he wanted to keep him. The club can't afford to pay for 2 keepers so we have one for the league but a vacancy for the cup. And our finances indicate we could do with getting past the first round and going a few games in on a run ... so lets hope we have a safe pair of hands in net for the league and F.A cup when that starts!
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: PP has said from Day one that the emphasis would be on loan signings and there was an element of risk with this and that the signings would be later rather than sooner. I think you are putting words into DBs mouth in terms of recruitment. Read the interview on W of P there is no concern at the moment. With such a significant overhaul there will alus be an element of uncertainty. PP has expressed concern over the goalkeeping situation no more. Personally I think it unwise to spend money on two Number 1 keepers( and also incidently on 2 specialist left backs albeit that both are versatile)...but that is PPs choice. He has been well backed since he came and I am sure he would acknowledge that. Overall the management of the club on and off the pitch for the last 3 or 4 years has been good. Mistakes will be made on both fronts but it is unfair and unrealistic to expect everything to run smoothly and what one should object to is fans jumping on the first suggestion of disharmony and start caning the Club. Positivity and success feed of themselves and as DB has said enjoy the journey with them. They are involved in the club for the right reasons which cannot be said for many football club owners and deserve to be cut a significant amount of slack. I follow City for the enjoyment of supporting a club through good and bad I have enough stress in my own job to have a gurly panic about when and who we sign pre season. Chill.[/p][/quote]The club did say at the end of the season not being involved in the Play Off's meant we had much longer to do our signings and summer business, and we could avoid last minute deals. Then the message came out with World Cup, club tours, later Prem. kick off that loans would take longer. That we need to be patient to get the right players. It is a loan deal, younger players are more likely to go to play in the capital in lower leagues, or along the M4 to Swindon or Reading or up to Watford and MK Dons so they can go back to London with their mates on a Saturday night. Okay, more good players play in the NW but the London clubs sweep up most from the SE and South Coast and capital. It seems that DB was putting the emphasis on letting JM go on Parky, who made it clear he wanted to keep him. The club can't afford to pay for 2 keepers so we have one for the league but a vacancy for the cup. And our finances indicate we could do with getting past the first round and going a few games in on a run ... so lets hope we have a safe pair of hands in net for the league and F.A cup when that starts! jamiejoe
  • Score: 6

10:29am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

jamiejoe wrote:
Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-)

We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.
Is that what you were saying when Jonny Mac was on the bench before last season? No wonder he left!
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-) We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.[/p][/quote]Is that what you were saying when Jonny Mac was on the bench before last season? No wonder he left! Peter300
  • Score: -10

10:30am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

Hoggy64 wrote:
The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players.

Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.
Did we have a decent no.2 last season?
[quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players. Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.[/p][/quote]Did we have a decent no.2 last season? Peter300
  • Score: -4

10:34am Wed 30 Jul 14

Peter300 says...

The latest in a series of lectures from Dave. Return on cost, appreciation, write-off, goodwill, depreciation, asset accumulation etc. etc. Everyone will be an expert on accounting soon!
The latest in a series of lectures from Dave. Return on cost, appreciation, write-off, goodwill, depreciation, asset accumulation etc. etc. Everyone will be an expert on accounting soon! Peter300
  • Score: -5

10:35am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

Peter300 wrote:
jamiejoe wrote:
Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-)

We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.
Is that what you were saying when Jonny Mac was on the bench before last season? No wonder he left!
???

Sorry Peter - don't follow what you are saying here?
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: Will you go in goal for the cup run then Dave? ;-) We need a good, experienced, cheap, second string keeper. Could be a challenge.[/p][/quote]Is that what you were saying when Jonny Mac was on the bench before last season? No wonder he left![/p][/quote]??? Sorry Peter - don't follow what you are saying here? jamiejoe
  • Score: 1

10:37am Wed 30 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

Lesson to be learnt (again!) all at the club should be more circumspect when they talk to the media. Lawny disclosed the Mclean deal before the deal was done last season much to PPs chagrin no doubt.
Lesson to be learnt (again!) all at the club should be more circumspect when they talk to the media. Lawny disclosed the Mclean deal before the deal was done last season much to PPs chagrin no doubt. whisky1
  • Score: -8

10:46am Wed 30 Jul 14

wakefieldbantam says...

This article is a complete waste of time and not what we want to hear. What we want to know is where is the No. 2 keeper and where are the top loan signings promised by Mark Lawn, who is remarkably quiet at the moment, last month.
We went the whole of last season with one keeper and here we go again only this time it's a loan keeper!
I'm not expecting us to be throwing money around but after the Wembley trips and sale of Nahki Wells we should be competing better than this, we should be moving forward as a club but sadly yet again we seem to be going backwards.
Over to you Whisky but before you start on me for being critical may I remind you a week on Saturday the season starts
This article is a complete waste of time and not what we want to hear. What we want to know is where is the No. 2 keeper and where are the top loan signings promised by Mark Lawn, who is remarkably quiet at the moment, last month. We went the whole of last season with one keeper and here we go again only this time it's a loan keeper! I'm not expecting us to be throwing money around but after the Wembley trips and sale of Nahki Wells we should be competing better than this, we should be moving forward as a club but sadly yet again we seem to be going backwards. Over to you Whisky but before you start on me for being critical may I remind you a week on Saturday the season starts wakefieldbantam
  • Score: 6

11:04am Wed 30 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

Wakefield I cannot be arsed..DB has given a full and transparent account of where we are in terms of recruitment. We have been told over and over again how the Wembley windfall/NW money has been applied . At the end of the day if you cannot either retain or understand the information the Club puts out or you choose to ignore it its your problem not theirs.
Wakefield I cannot be arsed..DB has given a full and transparent account of where we are in terms of recruitment. We have been told over and over again how the Wembley windfall/NW money has been applied . At the end of the day if you cannot either retain or understand the information the Club puts out or you choose to ignore it its your problem not theirs. whisky1
  • Score: -9

11:05am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

Peter300 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players.

Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.
Did we have a decent no.2 last season?
Maybe not, maybe so ... we never really found out.

But we did have a pretty decent # 1 for the cup games - all 3 of them! ;-)
[quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players. Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.[/p][/quote]Did we have a decent no.2 last season?[/p][/quote]Maybe not, maybe so ... we never really found out. But we did have a pretty decent # 1 for the cup games - all 3 of them! ;-) jamiejoe
  • Score: 7

11:16am Wed 30 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

jamiejoe wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players.

Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.
Did we have a decent no.2 last season?
Maybe not, maybe so ... we never really found out.

But we did have a pretty decent # 1 for the cup games - all 3 of them! ;-)
Ripley played in the League Trophy (0-5).
McLaughlin played in the FA Cup (0-3) and the League Cup (1-2).

I don't understand your point.
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players. Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.[/p][/quote]Did we have a decent no.2 last season?[/p][/quote]Maybe not, maybe so ... we never really found out. But we did have a pretty decent # 1 for the cup games - all 3 of them! ;-)[/p][/quote]Ripley played in the League Trophy (0-5). McLaughlin played in the FA Cup (0-3) and the League Cup (1-2). I don't understand your point. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -3

11:19am Wed 30 Jul 14

whisky1 says...

postscript Wakefield... we are not going backwards...we have had 2 seasons of progress...the club is one of the few in the black and has the best manager we have had in years.We have owners who care for the club and a Chief Exec who is a proven businessman who appears to do the job pretty much for nowt. We have great support all who watch footy at a fantastic price. ENJOY supporting your club.
postscript Wakefield... we are not going backwards...we have had 2 seasons of progress...the club is one of the few in the black and has the best manager we have had in years.We have owners who care for the club and a Chief Exec who is a proven businessman who appears to do the job pretty much for nowt. We have great support all who watch footy at a fantastic price. ENJOY supporting your club. whisky1
  • Score: 7

11:31am Wed 30 Jul 14

Halifax Bantam says...

Dosent it seem go be a massive gamble to go with a relatively untested inexpirienced lad as our number 1, especially after the managers comment about how important it was to have an expirienced keeper in place as he regarded it as one of the most vital positions??
What if the lad gets a long term injury or is sent off in the 1st game, what do we fo then? Cup runs can bring lots of money into the club as we know so who goes in goal for those games, another untested keeper or youth team player? We look to be a bit short sighted at the moment and time will tell as to who comes in. I know we didnt have an expirienced back up keeper last season but we had an expirienced 1st choice keeper
Dosent it seem go be a massive gamble to go with a relatively untested inexpirienced lad as our number 1, especially after the managers comment about how important it was to have an expirienced keeper in place as he regarded it as one of the most vital positions?? What if the lad gets a long term injury or is sent off in the 1st game, what do we fo then? Cup runs can bring lots of money into the club as we know so who goes in goal for those games, another untested keeper or youth team player? We look to be a bit short sighted at the moment and time will tell as to who comes in. I know we didnt have an expirienced back up keeper last season but we had an expirienced 1st choice keeper Halifax Bantam
  • Score: 3

11:44am Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
jamiejoe wrote:
Peter300 wrote:
Hoggy64 wrote:
The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players.

Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.
Did we have a decent no.2 last season?
Maybe not, maybe so ... we never really found out.

But we did have a pretty decent # 1 for the cup games - all 3 of them! ;-)
Ripley played in the League Trophy (0-5).
McLaughlin played in the FA Cup (0-3) and the League Cup (1-2).

I don't understand your point.
According to the Rother fans it could have been 5 or 6 without the efforts of McLaughlin in the sticks for the F.A Cup defeat.

I guess it could have been more with a junior stand in keeper.

I accept that is all a bit academic now. We just need to sort out a good reserve / cup keeper for this season. Hopefully someone with some good experience to help develop the new lad in training too.
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Peter300[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hoggy64[/bold] wrote: The point being that we only have one keeper unlike we've always had cover for outfield loan players. No escaping the fact we need a decent number 2 and other outfield players. Must admit to being a little, concerned over the squad size.[/p][/quote]Did we have a decent no.2 last season?[/p][/quote]Maybe not, maybe so ... we never really found out. But we did have a pretty decent # 1 for the cup games - all 3 of them! ;-)[/p][/quote]Ripley played in the League Trophy (0-5). McLaughlin played in the FA Cup (0-3) and the League Cup (1-2). I don't understand your point.[/p][/quote]According to the Rother fans it could have been 5 or 6 without the efforts of McLaughlin in the sticks for the F.A Cup defeat. I guess it could have been more with a junior stand in keeper. I accept that is all a bit academic now. We just need to sort out a good reserve / cup keeper for this season. Hopefully someone with some good experience to help develop the new lad in training too. jamiejoe
  • Score: 5

11:47am Wed 30 Jul 14

lawsonio123 says...

Baldwin says keep calm but he throws no light on the keeper situation We cannot in all honesty rely on a very young keeper without some insurance he may be very promising but is still very raw and we are no longer a second division side but have hopes of progressing to the championship.In order to reach our aim we need as few as possible loan players who can be recalled whenever the loaning club fell like doing so. We need our own young players growing with City not being sold for a fast buck then we will see progress History shows us the teams that are keept together are the ones who are successful
Baldwin says keep calm but he throws no light on the keeper situation We cannot in all honesty rely on a very young keeper without some insurance he may be very promising but is still very raw and we are no longer a second division side but have hopes of progressing to the championship.In order to reach our aim we need as few as possible loan players who can be recalled whenever the loaning club fell like doing so. We need our own young players growing with City not being sold for a fast buck then we will see progress History shows us the teams that are keept together are the ones who are successful lawsonio123
  • Score: 2

11:57am Wed 30 Jul 14

ageofreason says...

The truth outs we sign a cheaper young keeper on a 1 year loan all this so we can free up money by letting J.Mac go.
Then drip by drip we find that the keeper
is cup tied
can be recalled on 24 hours after first month.
Time will tell but!!!!!
The truth outs we sign a cheaper young keeper on a 1 year loan all this so we can free up money by letting J.Mac go. Then drip by drip we find that the keeper is cup tied can be recalled on 24 hours after first month. Time will tell but!!!!! ageofreason
  • Score: 3

12:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Hove edge bantam says...

bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
[quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season Hove edge bantam
  • Score: 5

12:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

pokertee says...

trying to think how many times duke or jmc were injured last season. why do we need to pay wages for another keeper for a season? we can bench warm the youth keeper just in case something happens in a match then laon in one if picky gets injured. saves on wages and **** keepers very rarely get injured in matches.
trying to think how many times duke or jmc were injured last season. why do we need to pay wages for another keeper for a season? we can bench warm the youth keeper just in case something happens in a match then laon in one if picky gets injured. saves on wages and **** keepers very rarely get injured in matches. pokertee
  • Score: -1

1:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Victor Clayton says...

ageofreason wrote:
The truth outs we sign a cheaper young keeper on a 1 year loan all this so we can free up money by letting J.Mac go. Then drip by drip we find that the keeper is cup tied can be recalled on 24 hours after first month. Time will tell but!!!!!
Agree, looks like we didn't read the small print.
[quote][p][bold]ageofreason[/bold] wrote: The truth outs we sign a cheaper young keeper on a 1 year loan all this so we can free up money by letting J.Mac go. Then drip by drip we find that the keeper is cup tied can be recalled on 24 hours after first month. Time will tell but!!!!![/p][/quote]Agree, looks like we didn't read the small print. Victor Clayton
  • Score: 2

1:06pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!! Nickloza
  • Score: -2

1:11pm Wed 30 Jul 14

bahamianbantam says...

Nickloza wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away.
Dont start having a go - read what was said!
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!![/p][/quote]Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away. Dont start having a go - read what was said! bahamianbantam
  • Score: 5

1:18pm Wed 30 Jul 14

wakefieldbantam says...

whisky1 wrote:
postscript Wakefield... we are not going backwards...we have had 2 seasons of progress...the club is one of the few in the black and has the best manager we have had in years.We have owners who care for the club and a Chief Exec who is a proven businessman who appears to do the job pretty much for nowt. We have great support all who watch footy at a fantastic price. ENJOY supporting your club.
Whisky you say you can't be arsed then have 2 goes at it ha ha!
I've followed us home and away for 43 years just get a little disillusioned from time to time but I have now read DB's interview on width of a post and have to admit do feel a it more optimistic than I did okay.
[quote][p][bold]whisky1[/bold] wrote: postscript Wakefield... we are not going backwards...we have had 2 seasons of progress...the club is one of the few in the black and has the best manager we have had in years.We have owners who care for the club and a Chief Exec who is a proven businessman who appears to do the job pretty much for nowt. We have great support all who watch footy at a fantastic price. ENJOY supporting your club.[/p][/quote]Whisky you say you can't be arsed then have 2 goes at it ha ha! I've followed us home and away for 43 years just get a little disillusioned from time to time but I have now read DB's interview on width of a post and have to admit do feel a it more optimistic than I did okay. wakefieldbantam
  • Score: -2

1:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

bahamianbantam wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away.
Dont start having a go - read what was said!
Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.
[quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!![/p][/quote]Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away. Dont start having a go - read what was said![/p][/quote]Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that. Nickloza
  • Score: 0

1:23pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Hove edge bantam says...

bahamianbantam wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away.
Dont start having a go - read what was said!
Last seasons poor start was blamed on not having a pre season
Please tell me what has changed and why we should be optimistic this season He is one of our top earners with a lot of hope pinned on him for this season i for one doubt he will score 10 goals
[quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!![/p][/quote]Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away. Dont start having a go - read what was said![/p][/quote]Last seasons poor start was blamed on not having a pre season Please tell me what has changed and why we should be optimistic this season He is one of our top earners with a lot of hope pinned on him for this season i for one doubt he will score 10 goals Hove edge bantam
  • Score: 2

1:27pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Nickloza wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away.
Dont start having a go - read what was said!
Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.
This was printed only 8 days ago. http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/sp
ort/11353863.Bradfor
d_City__Missing_Mcle
an_a_real_pain_for_P
arkinson/?ref=ar
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!![/p][/quote]Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away. Dont start having a go - read what was said![/p][/quote]Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.[/p][/quote]This was printed only 8 days ago. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/sp ort/11353863.Bradfor d_City__Missing_Mcle an_a_real_pain_for_P arkinson/?ref=ar Nickloza
  • Score: 1

1:41pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

pokertee wrote:
trying to think how many times duke or jmc were injured last season. why do we need to pay wages for another keeper for a season? we can bench warm the youth keeper just in case something happens in a match then laon in one if picky gets injured. saves on wages and **** keepers very rarely get injured in matches.
Are you offering to go in sticks for the cup matches pokertee?
[quote][p][bold]pokertee[/bold] wrote: trying to think how many times duke or jmc were injured last season. why do we need to pay wages for another keeper for a season? we can bench warm the youth keeper just in case something happens in a match then laon in one if picky gets injured. saves on wages and **** keepers very rarely get injured in matches.[/p][/quote]Are you offering to go in sticks for the cup matches pokertee? jamiejoe
  • Score: 2

1:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

jamiejoe says...

Nickloza wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away.
Dont start having a go - read what was said!
Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.
This was printed only 8 days ago. http://www.thetelegr

aphandargus.co.uk/sp

ort/11353863.Bradfor

d_City__Missing_Mcle

an_a_real_pain_for_P

arkinson/?ref=ar
Could a tight calf be down to a slack summer training regime?

It is a genuine question.

It does not sound like an impact injury, unless he took a whack or tumble in training.

Personally I hope he proves the doubters wrong and smashes in 18 league goals or more from flowing, passing moves through the diamond formation with Hanson hammering home 25 + ... for a promotion drive.

Here's hoping - pre-season optimism abounds (sometimes!)
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!![/p][/quote]Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away. Dont start having a go - read what was said![/p][/quote]Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.[/p][/quote]This was printed only 8 days ago. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/sp ort/11353863.Bradfor d_City__Missing_Mcle an_a_real_pain_for_P arkinson/?ref=ar[/p][/quote]Could a tight calf be down to a slack summer training regime? It is a genuine question. It does not sound like an impact injury, unless he took a whack or tumble in training. Personally I hope he proves the doubters wrong and smashes in 18 league goals or more from flowing, passing moves through the diamond formation with Hanson hammering home 25 + ... for a promotion drive. Here's hoping - pre-season optimism abounds (sometimes!) jamiejoe
  • Score: 6

1:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

jamiejoe wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!!
Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away.
Dont start having a go - read what was said!
Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.
This was printed only 8 days ago. http://www.thetelegr


aphandargus.co.uk/sp


ort/11353863.Bradfor


d_City__Missing_Mcle


an_a_real_pain_for_P


arkinson/?ref=ar
Could a tight calf be down to a slack summer training regime?

It is a genuine question.

It does not sound like an impact injury, unless he took a whack or tumble in training.

Personally I hope he proves the doubters wrong and smashes in 18 league goals or more from flowing, passing moves through the diamond formation with Hanson hammering home 25 + ... for a promotion drive.

Here's hoping - pre-season optimism abounds (sometimes!)
Not sure tbh, but I recall PP saying everyone came back in good shape but who knows? I think we saw some good signs of what he can do in the latter games of last season.
[quote][p][bold]jamiejoe[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]Like he can help being injured! Some proper tools on here!!!![/p][/quote]Er - do you know what injury? I just said we've heard nothing since before Ireland. He hasn't appeared and the season is just ten days away. Dont start having a go - read what was said![/p][/quote]Yes tight calf, don't know why you don't know that.[/p][/quote]This was printed only 8 days ago. http://www.thetelegr aphandargus.co.uk/sp ort/11353863.Bradfor d_City__Missing_Mcle an_a_real_pain_for_P arkinson/?ref=ar[/p][/quote]Could a tight calf be down to a slack summer training regime? It is a genuine question. It does not sound like an impact injury, unless he took a whack or tumble in training. Personally I hope he proves the doubters wrong and smashes in 18 league goals or more from flowing, passing moves through the diamond formation with Hanson hammering home 25 + ... for a promotion drive. Here's hoping - pre-season optimism abounds (sometimes!)[/p][/quote]Not sure tbh, but I recall PP saying everyone came back in good shape but who knows? I think we saw some good signs of what he can do in the latter games of last season. Nickloza
  • Score: 1

1:56pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Halifax Bantam says...

pokertee wrote:
trying to think how many times duke or jmc were injured last season. why do we need to pay wages for another keeper for a season? we can bench warm the youth keeper just in case something happens in a match then laon in one if picky gets injured. saves on wages and **** keepers very rarely get injured in matches.
So pickers gets inj on the saturday and we have a game on the tuesday what type of keeper do we sign in such short notice and how much disruption does that cause to team playing with someone they havent hardly anytime to train with, not mention who goes in goal for the cup games. What also for all the potential in the world this lad has a mare of a time playing for us which could cost us valuable points at either end of the table, who steps in to take the pressure off the young lad?
[quote][p][bold]pokertee[/bold] wrote: trying to think how many times duke or jmc were injured last season. why do we need to pay wages for another keeper for a season? we can bench warm the youth keeper just in case something happens in a match then laon in one if picky gets injured. saves on wages and **** keepers very rarely get injured in matches.[/p][/quote]So pickers gets inj on the saturday and we have a game on the tuesday what type of keeper do we sign in such short notice and how much disruption does that cause to team playing with someone they havent hardly anytime to train with, not mention who goes in goal for the cup games. What also for all the potential in the world this lad has a mare of a time playing for us which could cost us valuable points at either end of the table, who steps in to take the pressure off the young lad? Halifax Bantam
  • Score: 2

2:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
I think you have both got this wrong. The person in the foreground is Jordan Pickford. The first few lines of the article relate to Jordan Pickford.
The essence of the article is summer recruitment.

HEB (or whatever alias you are using today). Poor Aaron (who, incidentally, was not bought) just happens to be in the frame. Not only do you have a go at him, but you then broaden your repertoire by taking a swipe at Andy Gray.
[quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]I think you have both got this wrong. The person in the foreground is Jordan Pickford. The first few lines of the article relate to Jordan Pickford. The essence of the article is summer recruitment. HEB (or whatever alias you are using today). Poor Aaron (who, incidentally, was not bought) just happens to be in the frame. Not only do you have a go at him, but you then broaden your repertoire by taking a swipe at Andy Gray. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -3

2:55pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Pablo says...

You can cover outfield positions by shuffling players around.

You can only provide cover for a goalkeeper with another goalkeeper.

Personally, I think it's crucial that your first choice keeper is a permanent member of the staff. We'll be tempted to continue playing him in the event of loss of form, for fear of his parent club recalling him.

How can we hope to attract a decent back up if the No 1 is virtually undroppable?

I hope the lad proves a resounding success. Nobody on here is criticising Pickford, merely the philosophy and pitfalls of having a loan keeper as a virtual automatic first choice........except for cup ties!
You can cover outfield positions by shuffling players around. You can only provide cover for a goalkeeper with another goalkeeper. Personally, I think it's crucial that your first choice keeper is a permanent member of the staff. We'll be tempted to continue playing him in the event of loss of form, for fear of his parent club recalling him. How can we hope to attract a decent back up if the No 1 is virtually undroppable? I hope the lad proves a resounding success. Nobody on here is criticising Pickford, merely the philosophy and pitfalls of having a loan keeper as a virtual automatic first choice........except for cup ties! Pablo
  • Score: 7

3:51pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man. Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: -2

4:24pm Wed 30 Jul 14

mrmuzzy says...

wakefieldbantam wrote:
This article is a complete waste of time and not what we want to hear. What we want to know is where is the No. 2 keeper and where are the top loan signings promised by Mark Lawn, who is remarkably quiet at the moment, last month.
We went the whole of last season with one keeper and here we go again only this time it's a loan keeper!
I'm not expecting us to be throwing money around but after the Wembley trips and sale of Nahki Wells we should be competing better than this, we should be moving forward as a club but sadly yet again we seem to be going backwards.
Over to you Whisky but before you start on me for being critical may I remind you a week on Saturday the season starts
Spot on.
couldn't have put any better myself.
[quote][p][bold]wakefieldbantam[/bold] wrote: This article is a complete waste of time and not what we want to hear. What we want to know is where is the No. 2 keeper and where are the top loan signings promised by Mark Lawn, who is remarkably quiet at the moment, last month. We went the whole of last season with one keeper and here we go again only this time it's a loan keeper! I'm not expecting us to be throwing money around but after the Wembley trips and sale of Nahki Wells we should be competing better than this, we should be moving forward as a club but sadly yet again we seem to be going backwards. Over to you Whisky but before you start on me for being critical may I remind you a week on Saturday the season starts[/p][/quote]Spot on. couldn't have put any better myself. mrmuzzy
  • Score: 2

4:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 1

4:53pm Wed 30 Jul 14

audal says...

A hypothetical question. If a 16/17 year lad shows the ability needed in the Morecombe cup match to warrant a run in the league will City replace him because of a contractual loan agreement with another club ?
A hypothetical question. If a 16/17 year lad shows the ability needed in the Morecombe cup match to warrant a run in the league will City replace him because of a contractual loan agreement with another club ? audal
  • Score: 0

5:48pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
How many games you basing your opinion on?
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]How many games you basing your opinion on? Nickloza
  • Score: 3

6:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Pablo says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
Agreed.

This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget.

Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]Agreed. This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget. Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know". Pablo
  • Score: 7

6:13pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Michael Clayton says...

audal wrote:
A hypothetical question. If a 16/17 year lad shows the ability needed in the Morecombe cup match to warrant a run in the league will City replace him because of a contractual loan agreement with another club ?
That would depend on the contractual terms.
[quote][p][bold]audal[/bold] wrote: A hypothetical question. If a 16/17 year lad shows the ability needed in the Morecombe cup match to warrant a run in the league will City replace him because of a contractual loan agreement with another club ?[/p][/quote]That would depend on the contractual terms. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

7:22pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this.


Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period?

As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this. Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period? As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction Prisoner Cell Block A
  • Score: 1

7:23pm Wed 30 Jul 14

#toerag43479 says...

Pablo wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
Agreed.

This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget.

Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".
Pickford will be brilliant and we'll sign a no 2 like Dukey to play in the cups, get us into penalty shoot-outs, save loads of pens, extend shoot- out wins world record and this season we'll "do a Bradford" in one of the cups, at least!!
Carlo is a history maker so I go all misty eyed when his name his mentioned, but the direction the club is going is to bring in players with more craft or versatility and strategic top quality loan signings. Carlo will do great at Plymouth at centre half; we didn't do him any favours last season filling in at left back
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]Agreed. This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget. Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".[/p][/quote]Pickford will be brilliant and we'll sign a no 2 like Dukey to play in the cups, get us into penalty shoot-outs, save loads of pens, extend shoot- out wins world record and this season we'll "do a Bradford" in one of the cups, at least!! Carlo is a history maker so I go all misty eyed when his name his mentioned, but the direction the club is going is to bring in players with more craft or versatility and strategic top quality loan signings. Carlo will do great at Plymouth at centre half; we didn't do him any favours last season filling in at left back #toerag43479
  • Score: 0

7:33pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this.


Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period?

As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction
Ok PCBA, just asking . Lets hope the people at Sunderland and PP have seen more than 2 halves to judge his ability. Just saying. He, looked OK when we played Carlisle away, for the record.
[quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this. Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period? As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction[/p][/quote]Ok PCBA, just asking . Lets hope the people at Sunderland and PP have seen more than 2 halves to judge his ability. Just saying. He, looked OK when we played Carlisle away, for the record. Nickloza
  • Score: 3

7:36pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Pablo says...

#toerag43479 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
Agreed.

This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget.

Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".
Pickford will be brilliant and we'll sign a no 2 like Dukey to play in the cups, get us into penalty shoot-outs, save loads of pens, extend shoot- out wins world record and this season we'll "do a Bradford" in one of the cups, at least!!
Carlo is a history maker so I go all misty eyed when his name his mentioned, but the direction the club is going is to bring in players with more craft or versatility and strategic top quality loan signings. Carlo will do great at Plymouth at centre half; we didn't do him any favours last season filling in at left back
So why are we trialling defenders who, from what I've seen, aren't as good as McHugh but, whose background would suggest, would cost more in wages?
[quote][p][bold]#toerag43479[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]Agreed. This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget. Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".[/p][/quote]Pickford will be brilliant and we'll sign a no 2 like Dukey to play in the cups, get us into penalty shoot-outs, save loads of pens, extend shoot- out wins world record and this season we'll "do a Bradford" in one of the cups, at least!! Carlo is a history maker so I go all misty eyed when his name his mentioned, but the direction the club is going is to bring in players with more craft or versatility and strategic top quality loan signings. Carlo will do great at Plymouth at centre half; we didn't do him any favours last season filling in at left back[/p][/quote]So why are we trialling defenders who, from what I've seen, aren't as good as McHugh but, whose background would suggest, would cost more in wages? Pablo
  • Score: 3

7:37pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Nickloza says...

Nickloza wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this.


Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period?

As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction
Ok PCBA, just asking . Lets hope the people at Sunderland and PP have seen more than 2 halves to judge his ability. Just saying. He, looked OK when we played Carlisle away, for the record.
BTW you did say many recent keepers, who were the others out of curiosity?
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this. Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period? As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction[/p][/quote]Ok PCBA, just asking . Lets hope the people at Sunderland and PP have seen more than 2 halves to judge his ability. Just saying. He, looked OK when we played Carlisle away, for the record.[/p][/quote]BTW you did say many recent keepers, who were the others out of curiosity? Nickloza
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8:10pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Bantam Dubai says...

Pablo wrote:
#toerag43479 wrote:
Pablo wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
Agreed.

This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget.

Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".
Pickford will be brilliant and we'll sign a no 2 like Dukey to play in the cups, get us into penalty shoot-outs, save loads of pens, extend shoot- out wins world record and this season we'll "do a Bradford" in one of the cups, at least!!
Carlo is a history maker so I go all misty eyed when his name his mentioned, but the direction the club is going is to bring in players with more craft or versatility and strategic top quality loan signings. Carlo will do great at Plymouth at centre half; we didn't do him any favours last season filling in at left back
So why are we trialling defenders who, from what I've seen, aren't as good as McHugh but, whose background would suggest, would cost more in wages?
Carl McHugh left to play games, I don't think that he wanted to spend another season just filling in as and when. I would have loved for him to stay just one more season given Davis is out of contract at the end of this season. But as mentioned he's a history maker and will never lose his legendary status with the city faithful. The keeper situation is a worry but I am sure Parky will have the situation sorted before we kick a ball in anger.
[quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]#toerag43479[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pablo[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]Agreed. This is not the only strange decision in the close season. I've also been watching some of the Centre Back wannabes trialling for us, which begs the question "why did we release Carl McHugh?" He never let us down, proved an able deputy for Andrew Davies, had the potential to get even better, and would have comfortably fit within the budget. Recruitment carries an element of risk ( as we've already found out!) and sometimes it's a case of "better the devil you know".[/p][/quote]Pickford will be brilliant and we'll sign a no 2 like Dukey to play in the cups, get us into penalty shoot-outs, save loads of pens, extend shoot- out wins world record and this season we'll "do a Bradford" in one of the cups, at least!! Carlo is a history maker so I go all misty eyed when his name his mentioned, but the direction the club is going is to bring in players with more craft or versatility and strategic top quality loan signings. Carlo will do great at Plymouth at centre half; we didn't do him any favours last season filling in at left back[/p][/quote]So why are we trialling defenders who, from what I've seen, aren't as good as McHugh but, whose background would suggest, would cost more in wages?[/p][/quote]Carl McHugh left to play games, I don't think that he wanted to spend another season just filling in as and when. I would have loved for him to stay just one more season given Davis is out of contract at the end of this season. But as mentioned he's a history maker and will never lose his legendary status with the city faithful. The keeper situation is a worry but I am sure Parky will have the situation sorted before we kick a ball in anger. Bantam Dubai
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8:59pm Wed 30 Jul 14

torreyman says...

I really feel this new season is going to be hard for us the goal keeper problem is a disgrace talk about the top six is a no no maybe the bottom six and and yes I do love my club
I really feel this new season is going to be hard for us the goal keeper problem is a disgrace talk about the top six is a no no maybe the bottom six and and yes I do love my club torreyman
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9:07pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Hove edge bantam says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
Hove edge bantam wrote:
bahamianbantam wrote:
Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,
Great comment Bahamian
Thought i was the only one to have noticed this
Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook
there may not be many more Another PP super buy
Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind
Really fear for the new season
I think you have both got this wrong. The person in the foreground is Jordan Pickford. The first few lines of the article relate to Jordan Pickford.
The essence of the article is summer recruitment.

HEB (or whatever alias you are using today). Poor Aaron (who, incidentally, was not bought) just happens to be in the frame. Not only do you have a go at him, but you then broaden your repertoire by taking a swipe at Andy Gray.
Calm down
Read Bahamians comment he never mentioned Jordan at all he merely said that the picture shows Aaron in action not something we have seen so far this season due to injury Am I incorrect in stating that it was well publicized that Aaron's poor start at the club was due to the lack of a pre season Hence my concern for the new season
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hove edge bantam[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bahamianbantam[/bold] wrote: Interesting - an action photo of McLean! We've heard little about his injury - weren't we told last season that he wasn't as good as promised because he missed pre-season? Surely not another excuse in the offing,[/p][/quote]Great comment Bahamian Thought i was the only one to have noticed this Put the ACTION PICTURE in your scrapbook there may not be many more Another PP super buy Hope i am proved wrong but Andy Gray springs to mind Really fear for the new season[/p][/quote]I think you have both got this wrong. The person in the foreground is Jordan Pickford. The first few lines of the article relate to Jordan Pickford. The essence of the article is summer recruitment. HEB (or whatever alias you are using today). Poor Aaron (who, incidentally, was not bought) just happens to be in the frame. Not only do you have a go at him, but you then broaden your repertoire by taking a swipe at Andy Gray.[/p][/quote]Calm down Read Bahamians comment he never mentioned Jordan at all he merely said that the picture shows Aaron in action not something we have seen so far this season due to injury Am I incorrect in stating that it was well publicized that Aaron's poor start at the club was due to the lack of a pre season Hence my concern for the new season Hove edge bantam
  • Score: -1

10:32pm Wed 30 Jul 14

Papa Smurfs Wig says...

Baldwin talks to the press like l'd imagine him talking to a toddler.
The chairmen might be away and l know a few of you on here do't like them but l'd sooner hear from the organ grinder than a monkey on a wage.
Baldwin talks to the press like l'd imagine him talking to a toddler. The chairmen might be away and l know a few of you on here do't like them but l'd sooner hear from the organ grinder than a monkey on a wage. Papa Smurfs Wig
  • Score: -2

11:47pm Wed 30 Jul 14

macca1969 says...

His slow start was more to do with very few games in the first 6 months of the season. Also settling into a new club and getting to know the other players
His slow start was more to do with very few games in the first 6 months of the season. Also settling into a new club and getting to know the other players macca1969
  • Score: 3

12:16am Thu 31 Jul 14

Waynus1971 says...

MR Baldwin needs to be aiming his comments towards Mr Parkinson; afterall, he was the one that raised concerns about squad size, lack of back-up keeper & Jonny Mc leaving!!!!!
MR Baldwin needs to be aiming his comments towards Mr Parkinson; afterall, he was the one that raised concerns about squad size, lack of back-up keeper & Jonny Mc leaving!!!!! Waynus1971
  • Score: -1

12:38am Thu 31 Jul 14

Bradford1903 says...

I do think it is a bit of a gamble signing a keeper on a season long loan, but with a recall clause after the first month.

Baldwin refers to previous loan signings that had a recall clause, but they were only with us for a maximum of 3 months, not potentially the whole season.

If we had went out and got a keeper on a standard loan, then I don't think it would've been much of a problem, as I believe they can only be recalled in the next transfer window, and if the clause was exercised, it would be a lit easier to find another loanee or even sign someone in January.

I know it is dangerous to make assumptions, but it looks like we were expecting some compromise with McLaughlin to be reached, and for him to re-sign, particularly with him still training with us.

I don't think it will be an issue though, as long as we are able to bring in an able deputy for Pickford.
I do think it is a bit of a gamble signing a keeper on a season long loan, but with a recall clause after the first month. Baldwin refers to previous loan signings that had a recall clause, but they were only with us for a maximum of 3 months, not potentially the whole season. If we had went out and got a keeper on a standard loan, then I don't think it would've been much of a problem, as I believe they can only be recalled in the next transfer window, and if the clause was exercised, it would be a lit easier to find another loanee or even sign someone in January. I know it is dangerous to make assumptions, but it looks like we were expecting some compromise with McLaughlin to be reached, and for him to re-sign, particularly with him still training with us. I don't think it will be an issue though, as long as we are able to bring in an able deputy for Pickford. Bradford1903
  • Score: 3

4:57pm Thu 31 Jul 14

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Nickloza wrote:
Nickloza wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
Michael Clayton wrote:
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:
The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.
You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful.

The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening.

I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.
As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this.


Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period?

As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction
Ok PCBA, just asking . Lets hope the people at Sunderland and PP have seen more than 2 halves to judge his ability. Just saying. He, looked OK when we played Carlisle away, for the record.
BTW you did say many recent keepers, who were the others out of curiosity?
JMac, Pidgeley, Howarth, Evans,

Didn't particularly rate Duke or Ricketts but both have more experience and there have been others but I can only recall Eastwood by name in modern times and I wouldn't have him in a cricket net. On his own. With a beachball.
[quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nickloza[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Prisoner Cell Block A[/bold] wrote: The fact we are paying some of his wages makes the JM debacle even worse. DB also stated previously, we do need cup runs to create financial space yet sign a loan keeper with a 'tie' clause, little experience and from what I've seen so far, less ability than many keepers we've had recently. Please prove me wrong young man.[/p][/quote]You will know from previous comments that I am always positive about the club. However, on this occasion, I feel the handling of the JM situation has been awful. The matter was allowed to drift. What emerges is that he went (on a fully paid trip) to Ireland not knowing what was likely to be happening. I don't know the ins and outs but what I can assume is that no-one took control of the situation. It is the lack of communication that has really startled me.[/p][/quote]As am I, just baffled completely by our release of a more than adequate keeper who has improved season on season and the business conducted to try rectify this. Nikloza, not much more than two halves, similar time to which I assessed Eastwood, someone elses highly rated youngster. Anyone need a reminder as to the success of that odd period? As I said, I really hope to be proven wrong, feel free to remind me if I am. I promise though not to say I told you so if not. It won't give any pleasure or satisfaction[/p][/quote]Ok PCBA, just asking . Lets hope the people at Sunderland and PP have seen more than 2 halves to judge his ability. Just saying. He, looked OK when we played Carlisle away, for the record.[/p][/quote]BTW you did say many recent keepers, who were the others out of curiosity?[/p][/quote]JMac, Pidgeley, Howarth, Evans, Didn't particularly rate Duke or Ricketts but both have more experience and there have been others but I can only recall Eastwood by name in modern times and I wouldn't have him in a cricket net. On his own. With a beachball. Prisoner Cell Block A
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