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James Hanson an all-round menace, says former Bantams strike partner Andy Gray

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: James Hanson is City's jack of all trades James Hanson is City's jack of all trades

ANDY Gray reckons James Hanson is worth more than just goals to City.

The former Bantams striker is confident that Hanson can make an even bigger impression in his second year in League One.

But Gray believes that does not necessarily mean topping the scoring charts for the workaholic forward.

He said: “James has got all the attributes and he’s still improving.

“He can run, he can head it and he’s getting better all the time with his hold-up play. He can also score a goal and got 12 last season.

“Maybe you can argue that he should score more but it’s not always that easy for a target man. James is doing a lot of jobs for the team.

“He comes back for corners and to defend set-pieces and does a lot of things that people don’t see.

“He’s also the one up front that gets the ball played into. It’s his job to hold on to possession and look for others, so he’s not always going to get the shooting chance himself.”

Gray, who is considering his next step after leaving Valley Parade last month, hopes that City can find a long-term cure for the inflammation problem which restricted Hanson to only one start in the final nine games of the campaign.

He added: “It’s a bit of a strange one and nobody’s really got to the bottom of it. I hope it gets better because everybody know James is a valuable player in the team plans.

“You can see it when he doesn’t play. He is the focal point in the team.

“He came into the pro game late but is gaining experience all the time. He’s capable of going on to have a very good career.”

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8:55am Fri 27 Jun 14

gman27 says...

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8:56am Fri 27 Jun 14

dazp says...

who is Andy Gray
who is Andy Gray dazp
  • Score: -24

9:01am Fri 27 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side.

I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side.

As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals.

He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......
I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing....... dannbradfc
  • Score: 25

9:33am Fri 27 Jun 14

tyker7745 says...

gman27 wrote:
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exactly:another none news day.

Why not lead with a story about Suarez so people can get their teeth into it!!
[quote][p][bold]gman27[/bold] wrote: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZ[/p][/quote]exactly:another none news day. Why not lead with a story about Suarez so people can get their teeth into it!! tyker7745
  • Score: -19

9:35am Fri 27 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

dannbradfc wrote:
I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......
And often to his own detriment: tracking back, defending, getting fouled, chasing lost causes, referees not understanding his/the game.
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......[/p][/quote]And often to his own detriment: tracking back, defending, getting fouled, chasing lost causes, referees not understanding his/the game. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 11

10:31am Fri 27 Jun 14

gman27 says...

tyker7745 wrote:
gman27 wrote:
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exactly:another none news day.

Why not lead with a story about Suarez so people can get their teeth into it!!
Or maybe a story about Leeds appointing Mike Bassett so we can have a laugh.
[quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gman27[/bold] wrote: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZ[/p][/quote]exactly:another none news day. Why not lead with a story about Suarez so people can get their teeth into it!![/p][/quote]Or maybe a story about Leeds appointing Mike Bassett so we can have a laugh. gman27
  • Score: 4

10:35am Fri 27 Jun 14

whisky1 says...

Michael Clayton wrote:
dannbradfc wrote: I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......
And often to his own detriment: tracking back, defending, getting fouled, chasing lost causes, referees not understanding his/the game.
Cast your mind back 3 years and many "fans" thought he was not good enough for a poor League 2 side. Could certainly do a job in the Championship
[quote][p][bold]Michael Clayton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......[/p][/quote]And often to his own detriment: tracking back, defending, getting fouled, chasing lost causes, referees not understanding his/the game.[/p][/quote]Cast your mind back 3 years and many "fans" thought he was not good enough for a poor League 2 side. Could certainly do a job in the Championship whisky1
  • Score: 1

11:08am Fri 27 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

gman27 wrote:
tyker7745 wrote:
gman27 wrote: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZ
exactly:another none news day. Why not lead with a story about Suarez so people can get their teeth into it!!
Or maybe a story about Leeds appointing Mike Bassett so we can have a laugh.
Given the lack of news, the T&A is left with a dilemma; publish or perish.

There was an interview with Parky on Radio Leeds last night (6.45 pm approx). Worth a listen I would suggest.

The most interesting revelation is that he is targetting a total of six players to add to what he has got.

The situation with Jon (Phileas Fogg) McLaughlin is still not clear. He is 'still' on holiday. Shockingly, Parky also admitted to having been away.
[quote][p][bold]gman27[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tyker7745[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gman27[/bold] wrote: ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZ[/p][/quote]exactly:another none news day. Why not lead with a story about Suarez so people can get their teeth into it!![/p][/quote]Or maybe a story about Leeds appointing Mike Bassett so we can have a laugh.[/p][/quote]Given the lack of news, the T&A is left with a dilemma; publish or perish. There was an interview with Parky on Radio Leeds last night (6.45 pm approx). Worth a listen I would suggest. The most interesting revelation is that he is targetting a total of six players to add to what he has got. The situation with Jon (Phileas Fogg) McLaughlin is still not clear. He is 'still' on holiday. Shockingly, Parky also admitted to having been away. Michael Clayton
  • Score: 5

11:11am Fri 27 Jun 14

bcfc mad85 says...

Hanson for me is a deceiving with his pace ball control and his ability he's a good solid goal scorer but also bringing people in to play and for me wells wouldn't have scored half as many if it want for big Jim people keep banging on about where we would have finished without wells goals what about where would we have been Without Hanson and his goals
Hanson for me is a deceiving with his pace ball control and his ability he's a good solid goal scorer but also bringing people in to play and for me wells wouldn't have scored half as many if it want for big Jim people keep banging on about where we would have finished without wells goals what about where would we have been Without Hanson and his goals bcfc mad85
  • Score: 8

11:34am Fri 27 Jun 14

ever the optimist says...

dazp wrote:
who is Andy Gray
Sexist former sky sports pundit maybe :-)
[quote][p][bold]dazp[/bold] wrote: who is Andy Gray[/p][/quote]Sexist former sky sports pundit maybe :-) ever the optimist
  • Score: 8

12:27pm Fri 27 Jun 14

torreyman says...

Oh that name Andy Gray sends shivers down my spine !!!
Oh that name Andy Gray sends shivers down my spine !!! torreyman
  • Score: -3

2:31pm Fri 27 Jun 14

macca1969 says...

dannbradfc wrote:
I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side.

I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side.

As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals.

He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......
Agree with most of what you said. Just a point though you mention in different service as a reason to James not scoring enough goals of which I totally agree. Problem is though when you have been dissing McLean and others like myself have defended him, blaming the lack of service you have gone on record saying he should be able to make his own goals like Wells did and mske a goal out of nothing. Although I agree one hundred percent in what you say you can't have it both ways
[quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......[/p][/quote]Agree with most of what you said. Just a point though you mention in different service as a reason to James not scoring enough goals of which I totally agree. Problem is though when you have been dissing McLean and others like myself have defended him, blaming the lack of service you have gone on record saying he should be able to make his own goals like Wells did and mske a goal out of nothing. Although I agree one hundred percent in what you say you can't have it both ways macca1969
  • Score: 4

3:16pm Fri 27 Jun 14

doneBD4 says...

In other words NO PLAN B!!
In other words NO PLAN B!! doneBD4
  • Score: -6

4:23pm Fri 27 Jun 14

Bradford Lad BD9 says...

Andy gray the legend, NOT
Andy gray the legend, NOT Bradford Lad BD9
  • Score: -10

2:17am Sat 28 Jun 14

Waynus1971 says...

James Hanson is a quality player, no doubt about that really. However, he does still have areas to his game that needs work; one of which has not been addressed since he arrived at the club.

He wins over 90% of his headers, inside our box and also down the middle. However, how many does he win from our set-pieces? For some reason he just doesn't have the same determination in the oppos box. If you watch his starting position, he often stands behind his marker instead of trying to get goal side.

My other gripe about him is his insistence of 'flicking on' the ball. I appreciate there are times when it is hit long to him and arrives too high, too fast and he can't do anything else with it. However, there are many times when he chooses to flick instead of getting the ball down. Mclean isn't the same type player as Wells and Hanson needs to adapt his own game to help the partnership.

Other than that, quality player and one that will keep improving
James Hanson is a quality player, no doubt about that really. However, he does still have areas to his game that needs work; one of which has not been addressed since he arrived at the club. He wins over 90% of his headers, inside our box and also down the middle. However, how many does he win from our set-pieces? For some reason he just doesn't have the same determination in the oppos box. If you watch his starting position, he often stands behind his marker instead of trying to get goal side. My other gripe about him is his insistence of 'flicking on' the ball. I appreciate there are times when it is hit long to him and arrives too high, too fast and he can't do anything else with it. However, there are many times when he chooses to flick instead of getting the ball down. Mclean isn't the same type player as Wells and Hanson needs to adapt his own game to help the partnership. Other than that, quality player and one that will keep improving Waynus1971
  • Score: 1

8:34pm Sat 28 Jun 14

Cityman23 says...

There's a lot of negative comments on here about Andy Gray which seems a bit unfair. Okay, he didn't 'do it' for City on his return, but he played well for us in his first stint and had a decent career in football. He was a player who played the game fairly and was not renowned for fouling or cheating, so I prefer to reserve my negativity for those sort of players. He was offered a chance back at City and took it. It didn't work out but that's the way it can go. Actually, it didn't work out for most of last season's new recruits either and, if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the same happening to at least one/two of this season's intake. 'PP' will know himself that statistically, the more new players he brings in, the higher the chances of bringing in someone who 'doesn't make it' as well as someone who does!

That's why I feel we should have held on to at least two of our midfielders, with two new recruits, rather than starting from scratch with four.

I'd have kept two from Jones/Doyle/ Reid.
There's a lot of negative comments on here about Andy Gray which seems a bit unfair. Okay, he didn't 'do it' for City on his return, but he played well for us in his first stint and had a decent career in football. He was a player who played the game fairly and was not renowned for fouling or cheating, so I prefer to reserve my negativity for those sort of players. He was offered a chance back at City and took it. It didn't work out but that's the way it can go. Actually, it didn't work out for most of last season's new recruits either and, if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the same happening to at least one/two of this season's intake. 'PP' will know himself that statistically, the more new players he brings in, the higher the chances of bringing in someone who 'doesn't make it' as well as someone who does! That's why I feel we should have held on to at least two of our midfielders, with two new recruits, rather than starting from scratch with four. I'd have kept two from Jones/Doyle/ Reid. Cityman23
  • Score: 1

8:03am Sun 29 Jun 14

Michael Clayton says...

Cityman23 wrote:
There's a lot of negative comments on here about Andy Gray which seems a bit unfair. Okay, he didn't 'do it' for City on his return, but he played well for us in his first stint and had a decent career in football. He was a player who played the game fairly and was not renowned for fouling or cheating, so I prefer to reserve my negativity for those sort of players. He was offered a chance back at City and took it. It didn't work out but that's the way it can go. Actually, it didn't work out for most of last season's new recruits either and, if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the same happening to at least one/two of this season's intake. 'PP' will know himself that statistically, the more new players he brings in, the higher the chances of bringing in someone who 'doesn't make it' as well as someone who does!

That's why I feel we should have held on to at least two of our midfielders, with two new recruits, rather than starting from scratch with four.

I'd have kept two from Jones/Doyle/ Reid.
To be honest, Jones did better in League One than I thought he would. He had reached the limit of his powers. No point in going a season too far and ruining his reputation.
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of negative comments on here about Andy Gray which seems a bit unfair. Okay, he didn't 'do it' for City on his return, but he played well for us in his first stint and had a decent career in football. He was a player who played the game fairly and was not renowned for fouling or cheating, so I prefer to reserve my negativity for those sort of players. He was offered a chance back at City and took it. It didn't work out but that's the way it can go. Actually, it didn't work out for most of last season's new recruits either and, if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the same happening to at least one/two of this season's intake. 'PP' will know himself that statistically, the more new players he brings in, the higher the chances of bringing in someone who 'doesn't make it' as well as someone who does! That's why I feel we should have held on to at least two of our midfielders, with two new recruits, rather than starting from scratch with four. I'd have kept two from Jones/Doyle/ Reid.[/p][/quote]To be honest, Jones did better in League One than I thought he would. He had reached the limit of his powers. No point in going a season too far and ruining his reputation. Michael Clayton
  • Score: -2

8:57am Mon 30 Jun 14

dannbradfc says...

macca1969 wrote:
dannbradfc wrote:
I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side.

I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side.

As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals.

He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......
Agree with most of what you said. Just a point though you mention in different service as a reason to James not scoring enough goals of which I totally agree. Problem is though when you have been dissing McLean and others like myself have defended him, blaming the lack of service you have gone on record saying he should be able to make his own goals like Wells did and mske a goal out of nothing. Although I agree one hundred percent in what you say you can't have it both ways
Its a fair point but they are different players with different attributes and thus should have different roles.

Was nahki expected to score with his head? Well thats James strength not running onto through balls. He can't exactly cross it and head it in too ;-).

Completely diffrent players. Maclean is caught between the two in some ways. He wants to be physical but also, according to his fans needs the ball to run onto. Thats his problem for me e.g. he gets caught between two roles and has thus far done neither well.......

James isn't there to create goals for himself for me. he creates the platform for others. However if he has balls played from the right positions he will get goals, which is my point. Macleans role is less defined although he was brought in to score goals. Thuswhilst indeed he needs the ball unlike Wells he doesn't find the space thus far for me. Wells created for himself on some occasions purely from pace and trickery and the willingness to chase things down. he's playing the lone front man role at H*dds but they play on the floor so don't need james drawing the attention and taking the hits. Maclean may have been drawn to a physical tussle because of his fitness levels. perhaps as that improves he will hit the space more and thus get the ball facing goal. Hopefully that will happen........
[quote][p][bold]macca1969[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]dannbradfc[/bold] wrote: I've often found it ridiculous the amount of time myself and a few others have had to defend james from criticism. As Andy Gray points out anyone with at least some understanding of the game can see his value to the side. I'm not one for stats as a necessary proof of something but take a look at amount of games we win and lose whne James is playing or not and its overwhelmingly infavour of when James is in the side. As for purely goals. James as had very indifferent service during his time here. More often receiving the ball with his back to goal, often at head height etc Good crosses played in front of him and james will score goals. He's one of the quickest players you will see for a player his size as well. One criticism, which is actually a praise to his commitment, is that he is a little too unselfish really. He chases things down he shouldn't and gets the ball out wide when we need him in the middle. However like i say that is also in many ways a positive. I personally rate him and fully appreciate what he brings to the team and have defended him against critics who whilst entitiled to their opinion i feel completely don't understand the role he is playing.......[/p][/quote]Agree with most of what you said. Just a point though you mention in different service as a reason to James not scoring enough goals of which I totally agree. Problem is though when you have been dissing McLean and others like myself have defended him, blaming the lack of service you have gone on record saying he should be able to make his own goals like Wells did and mske a goal out of nothing. Although I agree one hundred percent in what you say you can't have it both ways[/p][/quote]Its a fair point but they are different players with different attributes and thus should have different roles. Was nahki expected to score with his head? Well thats James strength not running onto through balls. He can't exactly cross it and head it in too ;-). Completely diffrent players. Maclean is caught between the two in some ways. He wants to be physical but also, according to his fans needs the ball to run onto. Thats his problem for me e.g. he gets caught between two roles and has thus far done neither well....... James isn't there to create goals for himself for me. he creates the platform for others. However if he has balls played from the right positions he will get goals, which is my point. Macleans role is less defined although he was brought in to score goals. Thuswhilst indeed he needs the ball unlike Wells he doesn't find the space thus far for me. Wells created for himself on some occasions purely from pace and trickery and the willingness to chase things down. he's playing the lone front man role at H*dds but they play on the floor so don't need james drawing the attention and taking the hits. Maclean may have been drawn to a physical tussle because of his fitness levels. perhaps as that improves he will hit the space more and thus get the ball facing goal. Hopefully that will happen........ dannbradfc
  • Score: 0

7:43pm Mon 30 Jun 14

Waynus1971 says...

Cityman23 wrote:
There's a lot of negative comments on here about Andy Gray which seems a bit unfair. Okay, he didn't 'do it' for City on his return, but he played well for us in his first stint and had a decent career in football. He was a player who played the game fairly and was not renowned for fouling or cheating, so I prefer to reserve my negativity for those sort of players. He was offered a chance back at City and took it. It didn't work out but that's the way it can go. Actually, it didn't work out for most of last season's new recruits either and, if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the same happening to at least one/two of this season's intake. 'PP' will know himself that statistically, the more new players he brings in, the higher the chances of bringing in someone who 'doesn't make it' as well as someone who does!

That's why I feel we should have held on to at least two of our midfielders, with two new recruits, rather than starting from scratch with four.

I'd have kept two from Jones/Doyle/ Reid.
Only Jones was released though. You can't force players into situations like this. If they don't want to stay (on the terms offered), you can't force em!
[quote][p][bold]Cityman23[/bold] wrote: There's a lot of negative comments on here about Andy Gray which seems a bit unfair. Okay, he didn't 'do it' for City on his return, but he played well for us in his first stint and had a decent career in football. He was a player who played the game fairly and was not renowned for fouling or cheating, so I prefer to reserve my negativity for those sort of players. He was offered a chance back at City and took it. It didn't work out but that's the way it can go. Actually, it didn't work out for most of last season's new recruits either and, if I was a betting man, I'd put money on the same happening to at least one/two of this season's intake. 'PP' will know himself that statistically, the more new players he brings in, the higher the chances of bringing in someone who 'doesn't make it' as well as someone who does! That's why I feel we should have held on to at least two of our midfielders, with two new recruits, rather than starting from scratch with four. I'd have kept two from Jones/Doyle/ Reid.[/p][/quote]Only Jones was released though. You can't force players into situations like this. If they don't want to stay (on the terms offered), you can't force em! Waynus1971
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