A judge has urged Bradford people to stand up against criminal Mr Bigs as the city becomes "riddled" with drugs.
Judge Alistair McCallum told two heroin and crack cocaine street dealers they could help lock up the major players for 25 years.
Iftekar Sadiq and Azad Aslam refused to disclose any names after they were caught selling wraps of heroin and crack cocaine in Reevy Road West, Buttershaw.
Sadiq was jailed for four years and Aslam, the father of two young children, for three years.
Judge McCallum urged everyone in the Bradford area to stand up against drug dealers getting rich by "selling poison to young people in our community".
"Bradford is being reduced to a city just riddled with drugs. It has the most appalling record for drugs," he said.
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Sadiq, 21, of Luke Road, Canter-bury, Bradford, and Aslam, 39, of Scholemoor Avenue, Scholemoor, Bradford, pleaded guilty to possessing heroin and crack cocaine with intent to supply, supplying the drugs and possessing criminal property.
Bradford Crown Court heard yesterday that Aslam was dealing because he was out of work and Sadiq was forced to peddle the drugs to pay off a debt to his dealers.
Prosecutor Gavin Howie said the pair were caught selling wraps of the drugs hidden in a chocolate egg.
Officers in Bradford Area Drugs Team swooped on July 26 last year. They blocked in Aslam's car, smashed a window and seized the keys. Sadiq had £270 cash in his pocket and £1,250 was found at Aslam's home.
Aslam told police he had been "doing drops" in Little Horton and Canterbury for a month.
Sadiq, who was a drug addict, was paying off a debt to dealers.
Sadiq was remanded in custody after failing to appear at an earlier hearing. He was locked up for two years in January 2006 for very similar drugs offences.
Aslam's barrister, Michael Greenhalgh, said he was out of work at the time and paid to drive round doing street deals. But Judge McCallum said Aslam was trading on other people's misery to try to get rich.
The judge said Aslam "was sensible enough not to take any of the poison himself".
Nawaz Hussain, for Sadiq, said he was in "substantial debt" to a dealer. "He wanted to come clean but he faced the real threat of the kind of retribution that can be meted out by those higher up the food chain," Mr Hussain said.
After the case, Sergeant Chris Day, of the Bradford District Drugs Team, said: "We welcome the sentences.
"We work day-in, day-out, on the streets of the Bradford district. You might not see us, as we often work undercover, but we are there and are determined to tackle the problem of drugs. Calls from the public to our Dob in a Dealer line are invaluable and I would urge anyone who has any information or suspicions about drug dealing to contact us anonymously and free of charge on 0800 555111.
"From April 1, 2007 to March 31, 2008, we took 1214 calls from members of the public to the Dob in a Dealer line. The team made 441 arrests for drug offences, carried out 354 operations, just short of one a day for the year, and we seized nearly £2 million worth of Class A drugs."
In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.
In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.
Perhaps this Judge should try ringing the police and reporting drug dealers.
It took a friend 5 years to get rid of the drug dealers which were supplying from outside his house.
Perhaps this Judge should try ringing the police and reporting drug dealers.
It took a friend 5 years to get rid of the drug dealers which were supplying from outside his house.
The sentnces imposed are too short to be a real deterrent.....they will be out in 2 years and 18 months respectively, and when you weigh up the massiveprofits to be made selling drugs, most dealers see this as a risk worth taking......
Early release should not be allowed for drug dealers and they should be made to serve the actual term imposed...also hit them in the pocket and confiscate their ill gotten gains eg cars/houses etc.....that will really hurt people whose idol in life is money....
The sentnces imposed are too short to be a real deterrent.....they will be out in 2 years and 18 months respectively, and when you weigh up the massiveprofits to be made selling drugs, most dealers see this as a risk worth taking......
Early release should not be allowed for drug dealers and they should be made to serve the actual term imposed...also hit them in the pocket and confiscate their ill gotten gains eg cars/houses etc.....that will really hurt people whose idol in life is money....
Posted by: gaz4, east bowling on 9:46am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.[/quote] Its bad everywhere in brsdford they drive around during the day in expensive cars.dealing where ever and not even discreetly........
Have you ever wondered why fireworks go off during the day? any body got any clues?
chris wrote:
In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.
Its bad everywhere in brsdford they drive around during the day in expensive cars.dealing where ever and not even discreetly........
Have you ever wondered why fireworks go off during the day? any body got any clues?
Posted by: gaz4, east bowling on 9:46am Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote:
In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.[/quote] Its bad everywhere in brsdford they drive around during the day in expensive cars.dealing where ever and not even discreetly........
Have you ever wondered why fireworks go off during the day? any body got any clues?
chris wrote:
In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.
Its bad everywhere in brsdford they drive around during the day in expensive cars.dealing where ever and not even discreetly........
Have you ever wondered why fireworks go off during the day? any body got any clues?
Posted by: YEADONSTAR, idle on 10:15am Fri 9 May 08
never mind the people standing up against drugs, what about the police,i have no involvement with drugs but i know where they can be purchased,as do the local police,but they keep saying there after "mr big",what about the small dealers,make sentences BIGGER.most people would agree,plus people are frightened of repraisels from drug dealing scum.
never mind the people standing up against drugs, what about the police,i have no involvement with drugs but i know where they can be purchased,as do the local police,but they keep saying there after "mr big",what about the small dealers,make sentences BIGGER.most people would agree,plus people are frightened of repraisels from drug dealing scum.
Posted by: Woody, Manningham on 11:03am Fri 9 May 08
Drugs such as heroin and cocaine are a big problem in Bradford, as is another dangerous drug; alcohol. But no-one is looking at the reasons why so many people use them in the first place. Why are so many people so disaffected with their lives, and with the Society we have co-created, that they will go to such extremes of escapism? Society itself is sick and needs healing.
Drugs such as heroin and cocaine are a big problem in Bradford, as is another dangerous drug; alcohol. But no-one is looking at the reasons why so many people use them in the first place. Why are so many people so disaffected with their lives, and with the Society we have co-created, that they will go to such extremes of escapism? Society itself is sick and needs healing.
[quote][bold]Woody[/bold] wrote:
Drugs such as heroin and cocaine are a big problem in Bradford, as is another dangerous drug; alcohol. But no-one is looking at the reasons why so many people use them in the first place. Why are so many people so disaffected with their lives, and with the Society we have co-created, that they will go to such extremes of escapism? Society itself is sick and needs healing.[/quote] not rushing to burmha now are you?
Woody wrote:
Drugs such as heroin and cocaine are a big problem in Bradford, as is another dangerous drug; alcohol. But no-one is looking at the reasons why so many people use them in the first place. Why are so many people so disaffected with their lives, and with the Society we have co-created, that they will go to such extremes of escapism? Society itself is sick and needs healing.
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 11:32am Fri 9 May 08
I remember when i was younger, the one reason people didnt sell drugs was because if u got caught, you had to spend some years in prison! One lad sold 1 wrap to an officer and did 5 years in prison, now thats a detterent!!!
If u can make over £20grand a week and expect a sentence of 2 years, some would say its a risk worth taking!
Also, how are we ever going to catch the "MR BIGS" , when they all have usual idiots to do their dirty work!
Drugs in bradford and Keighley are so bad, i dont see them ever getting control over the problem. Each dealer is replaced by another. . . .
ALL thanx to our new government!
I remember when i was younger, the one reason people didnt sell drugs was because if u got caught, you had to spend some years in prison! One lad sold 1 wrap to an officer and did 5 years in prison, now thats a detterent!!!
If u can make over £20grand a week and expect a sentence of 2 years, some would say its a risk worth taking!
Also, how are we ever going to catch the "MR BIGS" , when they all have usual idiots to do their dirty work!
Drugs in bradford and Keighley are so bad, i dont see them ever getting control over the problem. Each dealer is replaced by another. . . .
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 11:33am Fri 9 May 08
I remember when i was younger, the one reason people didnt sell drugs was because if u got caught, you had to spend some years in prison! One lad sold 1 wrap to an officer and did 5 years in prison, now thats a detterent!!!
If u can make over £20grand a week and expect a sentence of 2 years, some would say its a risk worth taking!
Also, how are we ever going to catch the "MR BIGS" , when they all have usual idiots to do their dirty work!
Drugs in bradford and Keighley are so bad, i dont see them ever getting control over the problem. Each dealer is replaced by another. . . .
ALL thanx to our new government!
I remember when i was younger, the one reason people didnt sell drugs was because if u got caught, you had to spend some years in prison! One lad sold 1 wrap to an officer and did 5 years in prison, now thats a detterent!!!
If u can make over £20grand a week and expect a sentence of 2 years, some would say its a risk worth taking!
Also, how are we ever going to catch the "MR BIGS" , when they all have usual idiots to do their dirty work!
Drugs in bradford and Keighley are so bad, i dont see them ever getting control over the problem. Each dealer is replaced by another. . . .
Posted by: David Cohen, Bradford on 12:23pm Fri 9 May 08
i believe the Police are serious in cracking down upon the drug dealers. However the real reason for doing that is mainly for their own gain. Under the Proceeds of Crime Act they get to keep what ever they recover from the dealers. So its good business sense. They have a dedicated team of about half a dozen detectives just working on how to get money out of the dealers. I should add i am not against the idea, but believe the money should be given to charities in order that in the words of the criminals greater criminals are not benefitting from the proceeds of crime and also that the police are not fully focused on this area alone of what they see as policing.
i believe the Police are serious in cracking down upon the drug dealers. However the real reason for doing that is mainly for their own gain. Under the Proceeds of Crime Act they get to keep what ever they recover from the dealers. So its good business sense. They have a dedicated team of about half a dozen detectives just working on how to get money out of the dealers. I should add i am not against the idea, but believe the money should be given to charities in order that in the words of the criminals greater criminals are not benefitting from the proceeds of crime and also that the police are not fully focused on this area alone of what they see as policing.
Posted by: Andy Bairsto, bradford on 2:03pm Fri 9 May 08
To get drugs of the streets in any major city would require a large dedicated number of police officers a commidity they haven't got.The ones they do have spare are out using hand held laser pistols to catch real criminals doing 5mph over the speed limit while 200 yards up the road the unlicenced motorbike riders and the drug delivery men go about their business without any problems.
To get drugs of the streets in any major city would require a large dedicated number of police officers a commidity they haven't got.The ones they do have spare are out using hand held laser pistols to catch real criminals doing 5mph over the speed limit while 200 yards up the road the unlicenced motorbike riders and the drug delivery men go about their business without any problems.
Posted by: D.J.L., Torrevieja,Spain. on 2:19pm Fri 9 May 08
glad these two scummers are off the streets,but they should have got 5 years each,it was said that one of them had two young children,well what kind of a dad is he and what a role model,not,there is a saying that'NEVER GIVE TO ANOTHER PERSONS CHILDREN,THAT WHAT YOU WOULD NOT GIVE TO YOUR OWN'well it proves what a waste of space these dealers are.
glad these two scummers are off the streets,but they should have got 5 years each,it was said that one of them had two young children,well what kind of a dad is he and what a role model,not,there is a saying that'NEVER GIVE TO ANOTHER PERSONS CHILDREN,THAT WHAT YOU WOULD NOT GIVE TO YOUR OWN'well it proves what a waste of space these dealers are.
Posted by: manumish, Bradford on 3:50pm Fri 9 May 08
Its a fantastic place this country, i see dealers all over. Outside Bradford College, on the streets where we live. They have a **** sure attitude that they are untouchable, police do seem reluctant to get involved and would rather pull innocents up for dropping litter like apple cores and Quavers. This is the right foot forward and about time these people were made an example of. My only worry is the state of the prison population today these guys won't do no where near what they should, no one will employ them so of we go again dealing. Not meaning to sound negative but we really do need to support these drugs teams and we all have to start picking up the phones and dobbing them in, i have on a few occasions and will continue.
Its a fantastic place this country, i see dealers all over. Outside Bradford College, on the streets where we live. They have a **** sure attitude that they are untouchable, police do seem reluctant to get involved and would rather pull innocents up for dropping litter like apple cores and Quavers. This is the right foot forward and about time these people were made an example of. My only worry is the state of the prison population today these guys won't do no where near what they should, no one will employ them so of we go again dealing. Not meaning to sound negative but we really do need to support these drugs teams and we all have to start picking up the phones and dobbing them in, i have on a few occasions and will continue.
[quote][bold]Andy Bairsto[/bold] wrote:
To get drugs of the streets in any major city would require a large dedicated number of police officers a commidity they haven't got.The ones they do have spare are out using hand held laser pistols to catch real criminals doing 5mph over the speed limit while 200 yards up the road the unlicenced motorbike riders and the drug delivery men go about their business without any problems. [/quote] That is spot on. Anytime the police have to confront anybody they don't like doing it, they would rather take the easy way out and leave them to it. Instead they go punishing the law abiding public who cough up without any arguements.
Andy Bairsto wrote:
To get drugs of the streets in any major city would require a large dedicated number of police officers a commidity they haven't got.The ones they do have spare are out using hand held laser pistols to catch real criminals doing 5mph over the speed limit while 200 yards up the road the unlicenced motorbike riders and the drug delivery men go about their business without any problems.
That is spot on. Anytime the police have to confront anybody they don't like doing it, they would rather take the easy way out and leave them to it. Instead they go punishing the law abiding public who cough up without any arguements.
Sadly, it is time to seriously have a debate re legalisation of class A drugs, and issue them on prescription to the addicts...
I know this is a defeatist attitude, but the drug war will never be won whilst there are HUGE profits available to criminals.....the vast majorty of crime happens to feed drug habits.....burglries
, robberies etc etc///...
If the drugs were issued on prescription, it would knock the muti billion organised crime industry for six, and children would not be runied by admiring these criminals who basque in their ill gotten gains...
Until the debate gains some legitimacy, the dealers will contnue their cancerous trade, and continue to destroy lives and communities...
Sadly, it is time to seriously have a debate re legalisation of class A drugs, and issue them on prescription to the addicts...
I know this is a defeatist attitude, but the drug war will never be won whilst there are HUGE profits available to criminals.....the vast majorty of crime happens to feed drug habits.....burglries
, robberies etc etc///...
If the drugs were issued on prescription, it would knock the muti billion organised crime industry for six, and children would not be runied by admiring these criminals who basque in their ill gotten gains...
Until the debate gains some legitimacy, the dealers will contnue their cancerous trade, and continue to destroy lives and communities...
Posted by: Woody, Manningham on 6:57pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] Not all drug dealers are Asian, and not all Asians are drug dealers. Your reactionary, feeble-minded, comments are ill-considered and racist. I know or know of, several Asians who drive "fancy cars"; shopkeepers, accountants, property developers, restauranters, but no drug dealers.
Legend wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
Not all drug dealers are Asian, and not all Asians are drug dealers. Your reactionary, feeble-minded, comments are ill-considered and racist. I know or know of, several Asians who drive "fancy cars"; shopkeepers, accountants, property developers, restauranters, but no drug dealers.
Posted by: Woody, Manningham on 6:58pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]skippy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Woody[/bold] wrote:
Drugs such as heroin and cocaine are a big problem in Bradford, as is another dangerous drug; alcohol. But no-one is looking at the reasons why so many people use them in the first place. Why are so many people so disaffected with their lives, and with the Society we have co-created, that they will go to such extremes of escapism? Society itself is sick and needs healing.[/quote] not rushing to burmha now are you?[/quote] What the ****'s it got to do with you?
skippy wrote:
Woody wrote:
Drugs such as heroin and cocaine are a big problem in Bradford, as is another dangerous drug; alcohol. But no-one is looking at the reasons why so many people use them in the first place. Why are so many people so disaffected with their lives, and with the Society we have co-created, that they will go to such extremes of escapism? Society itself is sick and needs healing.
Posted by: albion, west riding on 9:19pm Fri 9 May 08
[quote][bold]Woody[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote: And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] Not all drug dealers are Asian, and not all Asians are drug dealers. Your reactionary, feeble-minded, comments are ill-considered and racist. I know or know of, several Asians who drive "fancy cars"; shopkeepers, accountants, property developers, restauranters, but no drug dealers. [/quote] You are of course right, but statistics show that most people prosecuted in this area for drug dealing are infact Asian, just as statistics show that most of those growing skunk and being prosecuted for it are Oriental.
But as you say there are good and bad in every community.
Woody wrote:
Legend wrote: And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
Not all drug dealers are Asian, and not all Asians are drug dealers. Your reactionary, feeble-minded, comments are ill-considered and racist. I know or know of, several Asians who drive "fancy cars"; shopkeepers, accountants, property developers, restauranters, but no drug dealers.
You are of course right, but statistics show that most people prosecuted in this area for drug dealing are infact Asian, just as statistics show that most of those growing skunk and being prosecuted for it are Oriental.
But as you say there are good and bad in every community.
[quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] So that means all pedo's are white?
Knife crime is down to the blacks?
The BNP were created by the Germans?
And Teenage Mums are all white?
Of course not!
Yes there are too many drug dealers in the asian community and believe me we too are as fed up of this filth as you are..but please think before you make stereotypical comments. I drive a £15k + car and believe me that is n't drug money but in fact I had to work my gonads off for it!
Well done the police though for getting rid of these 2 idiots.
Legend wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
So that means all pedo's are white?
Knife crime is down to the blacks?
The BNP were created by the Germans?
And Teenage Mums are all white?
Of course not!
Yes there are too many drug dealers in the asian community and believe me we too are as fed up of this filth as you are..but please think before you make stereotypical comments. I drive a £15k + car and believe me that is n't drug money but in fact I had to work my gonads off for it!
Well done the police though for getting rid of these 2 idiots.
[quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] i am self employed
study fulltime
and have the ability to drive any car, be it a bmw or audi q7,
i think the plice did a good job of locking up these two scums
but they shoul have locked up legend
for his racist comments,
Legend wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
i am self employed
study fulltime
and have the ability to drive any car, be it a bmw or audi q7,
i think the plice did a good job of locking up these two scums
but they shoul have locked up legend
for his racist comments,
[quote][bold]gaz4[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]chris[/bold] wrote: In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.[/quote] Its bad everywhere in brsdford they drive around during the day in expensive cars.dealing where ever and not even discreetly........ Have you ever wondered why fireworks go off during the day? any body got any clues?[/quote] Gaz4
I have heard talk of the fireworks being used to signal shipments.If true then West Yorkshire police must be the dumbest keystone bunch around.
This judge has finally let the cat out of the bag...Bradford is awash with drugs and associated illegalities.
gaz4 wrote:
chris wrote: In queensbury it is getting bad for drugs also with dealer driving around selling there poison to user. I think all over bradford now this type of thing goes on . They take one dealer off the street and then there other two to take his place.
Its bad everywhere in brsdford they drive around during the day in expensive cars.dealing where ever and not even discreetly........ Have you ever wondered why fireworks go off during the day? any body got any clues?
Gaz4
I have heard talk of the fireworks being used to signal shipments.If true then West Yorkshire police must be the dumbest keystone bunch around.
This judge has finally let the cat out of the bag...Bradford is awash with drugs and associated illegalities.
[quote][bold]mobs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] i am self employed
study fulltime
and have the ability to drive any car, be it a bmw or audi q7,
i think the plice did a good job of locking up these two scums
but they shoul have locked up legend
for his racist comments, [/quote] DICK HEAD
mobs wrote:
Legend wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
i am self employed
study fulltime
and have the ability to drive any car, be it a bmw or audi q7,
i think the plice did a good job of locking up these two scums
but they shoul have locked up legend
for his racist comments,
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 11:12am Sat 10 May 08
LEGEND:
Let me guess, -
you live on a council estate -
-You live off the dole, which you spend on cheap cider!
-You have never saved any money for anything
-It kills you to see "pakis" in their flash cars!
-You teach your kids to hate asians
-You're never going to own anything
-You speak chav english
-You cant spell words bigger than 5 letters
Am I right? You hate seeing us driving big cars, ohh I love it!
I drive a BMW and i get the funniest looks, but i just smile back, it gives me great pleasure seeing all the young white lads driving battered corsa's and Nova's while we all drive in the big mens cars like its our country!
Maybe you should stop getting drunk off ya dole money and start saving for a proper life!!
Until then, keep ya dirty mouth shut!
Yes Yes
Waslaam alaikum
LEGEND:
Let me guess, -
you live on a council estate -
-You live off the dole, which you spend on cheap cider!
-You have never saved any money for anything
-It kills you to see "pakis" in their flash cars!
-You teach your kids to hate asians
-You're never going to own anything
-You speak chav english
-You cant spell words bigger than 5 letters
Am I right? You hate seeing us driving big cars, ohh I love it!
I drive a BMW and i get the funniest looks, but i just smile back, it gives me great pleasure seeing all the young white lads driving battered corsa's and Nova's while we all drive in the big mens cars like its our country!
Maybe you should stop getting drunk off ya dole money and start saving for a proper life!!
Posted by: Woody, Manningham on 1:00pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]mobs[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] i am self employed
study fulltime
and have the ability to drive any car, be it a bmw or audi q7,
i think the plice did a good job of locking up these two scums
but they shoul have locked up legend
for his racist comments, [/quote] I'm sure 'Legend' could in fact be locked up for his racist comments! He would do well to post a retractment and an apology before he gets prosecuted for racist abuse.
mobs wrote:
Legend wrote:
And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
i am self employed
study fulltime
and have the ability to drive any car, be it a bmw or audi q7,
i think the plice did a good job of locking up these two scums
but they shoul have locked up legend
for his racist comments,
I'm sure 'Legend' could in fact be locked up for his racist comments! He would do well to post a retractment and an apology before he gets prosecuted for racist abuse.
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 1:55pm Sat 10 May 08
WOODY:
Total respect for you mate, ur a fair person, i always see ya commments and their always bang on!
As for ALBION: usual **** about asians messing up the place!
Maybe if we didnt have as many drug users,the majority of whom are not asian may i add!
WOODY:
Total respect for you mate, ur a fair person, i always see ya commments and their always bang on!
As for ALBION: usual **** about asians messing up the place!
Maybe if we didnt have as many drug users,the majority of whom are not asian may i add!
Posted by: albion, west riding on 2:57pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]The_Realist[/bold] wrote:
WOODY: Total respect for you mate, ur a fair person, i always see ya commments and their always bang on! As for ALBION: usual **** about asians messing up the place! Maybe if we didnt have as many drug users,the majority of whom are not asian may i add![/quote] Really? I dont remember writing about anyone messing up anywhere, my comments on this thread are however, not assuming or designed to provoke (can you say the same?).
With regard to your rather patronising comments aimed at Woody, if you read my previous post you will see that i actually agreed with him (a rare but not unknown occurence).
I too used to own a BMW but failing eyesite and old age rule out such things these days (they were never much use in the wet anyway).
The_Realist wrote:
WOODY: Total respect for you mate, ur a fair person, i always see ya commments and their always bang on! As for ALBION: usual **** about asians messing up the place! Maybe if we didnt have as many drug users,the majority of whom are not asian may i add!
Really? I dont remember writing about anyone messing up anywhere, my comments on this thread are however, not assuming or designed to provoke (can you say the same?).
With regard to your rather patronising comments aimed at Woody, if you read my previous post you will see that i actually agreed with him (a rare but not unknown occurence).
I too used to own a BMW but failing eyesite and old age rule out such things these days (they were never much use in the wet anyway).
[quote][bold]albion[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]The_Realist[/bold] wrote: WOODY: Total respect for you mate, ur a fair person, i always see ya commments and their always bang on! As for ALBION: usual **** about asians messing up the place! Maybe if we didnt have as many drug users,the majority of whom are not asian may i add![/quote] Really? I dont remember writing about anyone messing up anywhere, my comments on this thread are however, not assuming or designed to provoke (can you say the same?). With regard to your rather patronising comments aimed at Woody, if you read my previous post you will see that i actually agreed with him (a rare but not unknown occurence). I too used to own a BMW but failing eyesite and old age rule out such things these days (they were never much use in the wet anyway).[/quote] how can anyone patronise woody,hes a scrounger with no intention of ever working,he will bang on the drum about anything and do nothing about the topic hes commenting on,send him to burmha he seems to have a thing about there and hes no use to our society what so ever.
albion wrote:
The_Realist wrote: WOODY: Total respect for you mate, ur a fair person, i always see ya commments and their always bang on! As for ALBION: usual **** about asians messing up the place! Maybe if we didnt have as many drug users,the majority of whom are not asian may i add!
Really? I dont remember writing about anyone messing up anywhere, my comments on this thread are however, not assuming or designed to provoke (can you say the same?). With regard to your rather patronising comments aimed at Woody, if you read my previous post you will see that i actually agreed with him (a rare but not unknown occurence). I too used to own a BMW but failing eyesite and old age rule out such things these days (they were never much use in the wet anyway).
how can anyone patronise woody,hes a scrounger with no intention of ever working,he will bang on the drum about anything and do nothing about the topic hes commenting on,send him to burmha he seems to have a thing about there and hes no use to our society what so ever.
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 3:28pm Sat 10 May 08
Albion:
You always drop little remarks and then claim u never meant anything! If u see, You were the only person to agree with the braindead LEGEND, Everyone else (incuding woody) were opposed to the idea of every drug dealer being asian, whereas you thought you would agree and the pretend you never meant anything!
As for driving a BMW, who said anything about you? ALso all the fun is in a wet road, everybody knows that!
Legend: I see you havent spoken again!
And will everyone lay off woody, he is being fair!
Albion:
You always drop little remarks and then claim u never meant anything! If u see, You were the only person to agree with the braindead LEGEND, Everyone else (incuding woody) were opposed to the idea of every drug dealer being asian, whereas you thought you would agree and the pretend you never meant anything!
As for driving a BMW, who said anything about you? ALso all the fun is in a wet road, everybody knows that!
Legend: I see you havent spoken again!
And will everyone lay off woody, he is being fair!
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 3:30pm Sat 10 May 08
JJJ:
Prove most the smackheads are not asian, just look around ya, u been 2 bradford city centre or keighley lately, Granted, most the people selling the drugs are probably asian, but most the users are whites!
JJJ:
Prove most the smackheads are not asian, just look around ya, u been 2 bradford city centre or keighley lately, Granted, most the people selling the drugs are probably asian, but most the users are whites!
Posted by: albion, west riding on 4:02pm Sat 10 May 08
[quote][bold]The_Realist[/bold] wrote:
Albion: You always drop little remarks and then claim u never meant anything! If u see, You were the only person to agree with the braindead LEGEND, Everyone else (incuding woody) were opposed to the idea of every drug dealer being asian, whereas you thought you would agree and the pretend you never meant anything! As for driving a BMW, who said anything about you? ALso all the fun is in a wet road, everybody knows that! Legend: I see you havent spoken again! And will everyone lay off woody, he is being fair![/quote] I did NOT respond to any post written by someone using the title Legend, i did however respond to the post from Trevor Wood, and did state some facts that are backed up by official figures that have been published elsewhere.
I dont claim i never meant anything, i meant exactly what i said (and not anything that might be assumed).
Nobody said anything about any of my previous vehicles, but as you brought up the subject i thought i would add to it, we all have pleasurable experiences from driving, but i cant agree that what i see as dangerous and risky to my fellow man is fun.
Woody and i dont hold back with our comments to each other, we have been doing similar things for years, but we are both still here battling away when the mood takes us.
The_Realist wrote:
Albion: You always drop little remarks and then claim u never meant anything! If u see, You were the only person to agree with the braindead LEGEND, Everyone else (incuding woody) were opposed to the idea of every drug dealer being asian, whereas you thought you would agree and the pretend you never meant anything! As for driving a BMW, who said anything about you? ALso all the fun is in a wet road, everybody knows that! Legend: I see you havent spoken again! And will everyone lay off woody, he is being fair!
I did NOT respond to any post written by someone using the title Legend, i did however respond to the post from Trevor Wood, and did state some facts that are backed up by official figures that have been published elsewhere.
I dont claim i never meant anything, i meant exactly what i said (and not anything that might be assumed).
Nobody said anything about any of my previous vehicles, but as you brought up the subject i thought i would add to it, we all have pleasurable experiences from driving, but i cant agree that what i see as dangerous and risky to my fellow man is fun.
Woody and i dont hold back with our comments to each other, we have been doing similar things for years, but we are both still here battling away when the mood takes us.
Posted by: The_Realist, Keighley on 5:02pm Sat 10 May 08
ALBION:
Could u please tell me where you got these statistics from? I'm dead curious to see them. Also i wasn't patronising woody, i was being serious! He was one of very few people to defend the asians. As for my comments being provocative, its merely my opinion which i can express however i want, if u feel provoked, feel free to respond!
[bold]WHERE ARE YOU MRS WALKER????[/bold]
LOL
ALBION:
Could u please tell me where you got these statistics from? I'm dead curious to see them. Also i wasn't patronising woody, i was being serious! He was one of very few people to defend the asians. As for my comments being provocative, its merely my opinion which i can express however i want, if u feel provoked, feel free to respond!
Posted by: albion, west riding on 5:19pm Sat 10 May 08
Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you.
Woody isnt interested in defending anyone, he is however interested in encouraging such people as you who respond in a predictable manner and further division in society.
He and Mrs Walker are renown mischief makers, dont be fooled!
Now can i remind you what this topic is about ( a judge encouraging people to stand up to drugs mr bigs), which is from now on the only subject i intend to respond to on this thread.
In future i would thank you to actually read my posts, rather than assume some other meaning is concealed within them.
Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you.
Woody isnt interested in defending anyone, he is however interested in encouraging such people as you who respond in a predictable manner and further division in society.
He and Mrs Walker are renown mischief makers, dont be fooled!
Now can i remind you what this topic is about ( a judge encouraging people to stand up to drugs mr bigs), which is from now on the only subject i intend to respond to on this thread.
In future i would thank you to actually read my posts, rather than assume some other meaning is concealed within them.
Posted by: born n bred, Bradford on 1:06am Sun 11 May 08
I drink with that judge, he has made a statement which he knows in reality will never happen. He said the only way to sort these scum out is to give all the street dealers bigger sentences, or do deals like they do in the States, before charging them bargain with them. i.e give us the name of your supplier up the chain and nobody will know you werwe lifted
I drink with that judge, he has made a statement which he knows in reality will never happen. He said the only way to sort these scum out is to give all the street dealers bigger sentences, or do deals like they do in the States, before charging them bargain with them. i.e give us the name of your supplier up the chain and nobody will know you werwe lifted
Posted by: davetanda, bradford on 12:13pm Sun 11 May 08
they won't even do a couple of years. they will do 6-7 months in a real prison. then be moved to an open prison. here they can drink, smoke, take drugs, they will have cable tv with premier packages, video games, gym etc. they are allowed out during the day to work at a job, also will be allowed home every month.
they won't even do a couple of years. they will do 6-7 months in a real prison. then be moved to an open prison. here they can drink, smoke, take drugs, they will have cable tv with premier packages, video games, gym etc. they are allowed out during the day to work at a job, also will be allowed home every month.
Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 2:20pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]albion[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Woody[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Legend[/bold] wrote: And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote] Not all drug dealers are Asian, and not all Asians are drug dealers. Your reactionary, feeble-minded, comments are ill-considered and racist. I know or know of, several Asians who drive "fancy cars"; shopkeepers, accountants, property developers, restauranters, but no drug dealers. [/quote] You are of course right, but statistics show that most people prosecuted in this area for drug dealing are infact Asian, just as statistics show that most of those growing skunk and being prosecuted for it are Oriental. But as you say there are good and bad in every community.[/quote] Tell me where you got those statistics please Albion, and then weigh them agaist the ethnic makeup of the areas concerned.
I think you'll find that in areas that are mainly Asian, there are mainly Asian drug dealers; in 'white' areas, there are mainly 'white' drug dealers and in Afro- Caribbean areas... ooh, now let me guess...!
albion wrote:
Woody wrote:
Legend wrote: And this is where the Pakis get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
Not all drug dealers are Asian, and not all Asians are drug dealers. Your reactionary, feeble-minded, comments are ill-considered and racist. I know or know of, several Asians who drive "fancy cars"; shopkeepers, accountants, property developers, restauranters, but no drug dealers.
You are of course right, but statistics show that most people prosecuted in this area for drug dealing are infact Asian, just as statistics show that most of those growing skunk and being prosecuted for it are Oriental. But as you say there are good and bad in every community.
Tell me where you got those statistics please Albion, and then weigh them agaist the ethnic makeup of the areas concerned.
I think you'll find that in areas that are mainly Asian, there are mainly Asian drug dealers; in 'white' areas, there are mainly 'white' drug dealers and in Afro- Caribbean areas... ooh, now let me guess...!
Posted by: albion, west riding on 3:19pm Sun 11 May 08
I read these figures online, between 1 and 2 years ago, they might well have been on this site i cant honestly remember, but i can remember taking note at the time (i am a mine of facts and figures, some might say useless facts and figures).
I dont dispute your opinion regarding the makeup of dealers, that is why i said "in this area".
I have also read somewhere that the number of prisoners in armley convicted for drug offences is a higher number of black and asians than others, this isnt meant as criticism, it is merely stating the current situation. The situation might well have been different in the days of transportation or some other time, but things happening now are all that is relevant.
And things happening in this area are also only of any real concern to me.
Seeing how you have persisted with an off topic subject rather confirms some of my other comments, but that was much as i expected, my own feeling is that it must be very difficult for some people (given the situation they might be in) to stand up against armed criminals, we have seen all too often what some of these people are capable of.
In my opinion the posts from the person calling him or herself The Realist are designed to further any controversy that may or may not be evident on this particular thread, along with a rather superior attitude which seems to be indicating that most if not all white persons resident in the region are what has come to be known as chavs, all this indicates the identity of a previous commentor who was axed from this site for what turned out to be rather disturbing opinions.
I read these figures online, between 1 and 2 years ago, they might well have been on this site i cant honestly remember, but i can remember taking note at the time (i am a mine of facts and figures, some might say useless facts and figures).
I dont dispute your opinion regarding the makeup of dealers, that is why i said "in this area".
I have also read somewhere that the number of prisoners in armley convicted for drug offences is a higher number of black and asians than others, this isnt meant as criticism, it is merely stating the current situation. The situation might well have been different in the days of transportation or some other time, but things happening now are all that is relevant.
And things happening in this area are also only of any real concern to me.
Seeing how you have persisted with an off topic subject rather confirms some of my other comments, but that was much as i expected, my own feeling is that it must be very difficult for some people (given the situation they might be in) to stand up against armed criminals, we have seen all too often what some of these people are capable of.
In my opinion the posts from the person calling him or herself The Realist are designed to further any controversy that may or may not be evident on this particular thread, along with a rather superior attitude which seems to be indicating that most if not all white persons resident in the region are what has come to be known as chavs, all this indicates the identity of a previous commentor who was axed from this site for what turned out to be rather disturbing opinions.
Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 3:38pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote]And this is where the '*****' get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL[/quote]
If I didn't drink and lived with my family I could afford a very expensive car [italic]and[/italic] a personalised numberplate to go with it.
Someone once asked me how a young lad who worked with me could afford his new car... the inference was, of course, that he was somehow involved in 'dodgy dealings', but he had two jobs, lived at home with doting parents who didn't ask him for a contribution to the upkeep of the household... and even a low wage goes a long way when you don't need to spend any of it...
And this is where the '*****' get all their fancy cars from...WAKE UP PPL
If I didn't drink and lived with my family I could afford a very expensive car and a personalised numberplate to go with it.
Someone once asked me how a young lad who worked with me could afford his new car... the inference was, of course, that he was somehow involved in 'dodgy dealings', but he had two jobs, lived at home with doting parents who didn't ask him for a contribution to the upkeep of the household... and even a low wage goes a long way when you don't need to spend any of it...
Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 3:52pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]albion[/bold] wrote:
Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you. Woody isnt interested in defending anyone, he is however interested in encouraging such people as you who respond in a predictable manner and further division in society. He and Mrs Walker are renown mischief makers, dont be fooled! Now can i remind you what this topic is about ( a judge encouraging people to stand up to drugs mr bigs), which is from now on the only subject i intend to respond to on this thread. In future i would thank you to actually read my posts, rather than assume some other meaning is concealed within them.[/quote] How COULD you Albion! A MISCHIEF MAKER?? ME?? The only thing I make regularly are my dumplings - and sometimes some nice buns - as well you know, and there's no mischief in them.
Now just because I stand up for humanity in all its beautiful flavours and argue against the politics of certain ignorant posters herein, you libel me!
Bah to you Sir!
Apologies for not dropping in earlier Realist. Legend needs to learn how to talk to people more politely. Then he might be able to get a better job and afford his own shiny new car.
Incidentally, please take care driving in the wet. Road conditions are hazardous and visibility is reduced! I would hate for you to run into me while I'm wobbling along on my bicycle.
albion wrote:
Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you. Woody isnt interested in defending anyone, he is however interested in encouraging such people as you who respond in a predictable manner and further division in society. He and Mrs Walker are renown mischief makers, dont be fooled! Now can i remind you what this topic is about ( a judge encouraging people to stand up to drugs mr bigs), which is from now on the only subject i intend to respond to on this thread. In future i would thank you to actually read my posts, rather than assume some other meaning is concealed within them.
How COULD you Albion! A MISCHIEF MAKER?? ME?? The only thing I make regularly are my dumplings - and sometimes some nice buns - as well you know, and there's no mischief in them.
Now just because I stand up for humanity in all its beautiful flavours and argue against the politics of certain ignorant posters herein, you libel me!
Bah to you Sir!
Apologies for not dropping in earlier Realist. Legend needs to learn how to talk to people more politely. Then he might be able to get a better job and afford his own shiny new car.
Incidentally, please take care driving in the wet. Road conditions are hazardous and visibility is reduced! I would hate for you to run into me while I'm wobbling along on my bicycle.
Posted by: peter, oxenhope on 4:00pm Sun 11 May 08
Afghanistan produces 93% of the Worlds opium, which is processed to make heroin and then exported through Pakistan and Iraq around the World,"Reuters" 24 April 2008, so yes, I would say most of the scum drug dealers were Asian who use little white scumbags to help them, but there is a flip side to all of this, the high wheat prices may be turning these detestable opium farmers into the production of legal crops, so they can make even more money out of their own people.
Afghanistan produces 93% of the Worlds opium, which is processed to make heroin and then exported through Pakistan and Iraq around the World,"Reuters" 24 April 2008, so yes, I would say most of the scum drug dealers were Asian who use little white scumbags to help them, but there is a flip side to all of this, the high wheat prices may be turning these detestable opium farmers into the production of legal crops, so they can make even more money out of their own people.
Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 4:01pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote]Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you.[/quote]
[quote]I read these figures online, between 1 and 2 years ago, they might well have been on this site i cant honestly remember, but i can remember taking note at the time[/quote]
[italic]Copout, Alb.[/italic]
Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you.
I read these figures online, between 1 and 2 years ago, they might well have been on this site i cant honestly remember, but i can remember taking note at the time
Posted by: mrs walker, round here on 4:07pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]peter[/bold] wrote:
Afghanistan produces 93% of the Worlds opium, which is processed to make heroin and then exported through Pakistan and Iraq around the World,"Reuters" 24 April 2008, so yes, I would say most of the scum drug dealers were Asian who use little white scumbags to help them, but there is a flip side to all of this, the high wheat prices may be turning these detestable opium farmers into the production of legal crops, so they can make even more money out of their own people.[/quote] And crack? Afghanistan doesn't lend itself to coca production, but if the West had paid fair prices for its coffee all these years perhaps South American farmers wouldn't have had to resort to growing an illegal crop in order to send their kids to school. Mull on that as you drink your Gold Blend.
peter wrote:
Afghanistan produces 93% of the Worlds opium, which is processed to make heroin and then exported through Pakistan and Iraq around the World,"Reuters" 24 April 2008, so yes, I would say most of the scum drug dealers were Asian who use little white scumbags to help them, but there is a flip side to all of this, the high wheat prices may be turning these detestable opium farmers into the production of legal crops, so they can make even more money out of their own people.
And crack? Afghanistan doesn't lend itself to coca production, but if the West had paid fair prices for its coffee all these years perhaps South American farmers wouldn't have had to resort to growing an illegal crop in order to send their kids to school. Mull on that as you drink your Gold Blend.
Posted by: albion, west riding on 5:11pm Sun 11 May 08
[quote][bold]mrs walker[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you.[/quote] [quote]I read these figures online, between 1 and 2 years ago, they might well have been on this site i cant honestly remember, but i can remember taking note at the time[/quote] [italic]Copout, Alb.[/italic] [/quote] Try = drug dealing statistics involving asians, on google uk, i think thats where they came from.
mrs walker wrote:
Such statistics are freely available on the internet, if i can find them so can you.
I read these figures online, between 1 and 2 years ago, they might well have been on this site i cant honestly remember, but i can remember taking note at the time
Copout, Alb.
Try = drug dealing statistics involving asians, on google uk, i think thats where they came from.
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