'Inhumane' cuts will force poorest from homes, says Council's Labour leader (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Baildonboy wrote:
I've known many people who "downsize" when they have lost a loved one - it's often a normal thing to do - so can't understand why this should not happen with social housing especially in popular areas like Baildon.

Mik_e wrote:
Even private owners sometimes have to reluctantly move home, owing to differing circumstances, therefore those in rented/subsidised accomodation should have to do the same.

old pecker wrote:
The reason why there is a list for social housing , Council sold too many , & too many EU people coming to Bradford who get a house first !

benji123 wrote:

Baildonboy wrote:
I've known many people who "downsize" when they have lost a loved one - it's often a normal thing to do - so can't understand why this should not happen with social housing especially in popular areas like Baildon.

but downsize to where ??

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
If you have a spare room, then take the bed out of there and do not call it a bedroom. Simple. I only have one bedroom, i.e. the one with a bed in it.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

webess wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
If you have a spare room, then take the bed out of there and do not call it a bedroom. Simple. I only have one bedroom, i.e. the one with a bed in it.

Not quite that easy. The land registry record the number of bedrooms in a building and you moving furniture won't alter that..

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

So according to you people who are ill with Depression should be made homeless and forced to sleep rough? Great idea. How much will that cost the taxpayer?

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

So according to you people who are ill with Depression should be made homeless and forced to sleep rough? Great idea. How much will that cost the taxpayer?

Most of them would find a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Too soft for Too long

Andy2010 wrote:
Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves.

Nah...thought not

All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing.

Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

Oliver Hardy wrote:
A 'bedroom tax' ?! - so they're gonna tax you for having sex ?
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Is this real ?

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

webess wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
If you have a spare room, then take the bed out of there and do not call it a bedroom. Simple. I only have one bedroom, i.e. the one with a bed in it.

Not quite that easy. The land registry record the number of bedrooms in a building and you moving furniture won't alter that..

A bedroom is only a bedroom of it has a bed in it.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

So according to you people who are ill with Depression should be made homeless and forced to sleep rough? Great idea. How much will that cost the taxpayer?

Most of them would find a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!

Too soft for Too long

"Most of them would find a job" ???

LOL

What planet are you living on?

WHAT JOBS?

DREAM ON!

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves. Nah...thought not All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing. Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

OK, but just wait until YOU find yourself in a similar situation. Don't expect any help or sympathy from the rest of us. In fact, if I lose me home I will come and camp in YOUR garden!

Andy2010 wrote:
Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves. Nah...thought not All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing. Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

moanmoanwhingewhinge wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:
Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves. Nah...thought not All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing. Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

Why not shove the 'winging' (whatever that is) toerags into concentrate camps? I'm sure you'd be more than glad to organise it, you heartless pr1ck. Hope you get a nice injury one day so you can't work or pay your precious tax. How do you feel about people who have paid tax for years but are then unable to work for a while, Adolf? They deserve to be called Toerags and thrown on the street? Perhaps people pay their taxes in the understanding they'll be 'looked after' if the need occurs later in life?

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
I rest my case!

One big size 12 needed IMO


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MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

So according to you people who are ill with Depression should be made homeless and forced to sleep rough? Great idea. How much will that cost the taxpayer?

Most of them would find a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



!

Too soft for Too long

"Most of them would find a job" ???

LOL

What planet are you living on?

WHAT JOBS?

DREAM ON!

Plant work!

You’re the one who needs to wake up and smell the coffee

No one is making him homeless! Just asking him to downsize.

Wish I could afford a 2-bed house in Baildon!!!

£56 per week! But he is still moaning, don't forget it’s coming
OUT OF HIS BENEFIT MONEY.

Which comes from taxpayers!

Get a job and pay your own way in this world, instead of crying the poor tale.

angry bradfordian wrote:
Cllr Green says: “...is the Government saying that the poorer people should be treated differently from those who are better off?

By the 'better off' I assume his is alluding to people who own their own house?
If he is, then somebody who's paid off a mortgage over 25 years has earned the right to live in a 4 bedroomed house by themselves. If somebody is renting a 4 bedroomed house at somebody else's expense then what 'right' have they to keep it? This new rule seems 'fair' to me and certainly not 'inhumane'
As usual Mr Green is making a cheap political point without a sensible solution.

Andy2010 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves. Nah...thought not All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing. Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

OK, but just wait until YOU find yourself in a similar situation. Don't expect any help or sympathy from the rest of us. In fact, if I lose me home I will come and camp in YOUR garden!

I have been in this situation many times and each time ensured that my family and myself are adequetly protected until I have found further employment. I wouldnt expect any help or assistance from the state or anyone else. Look after yourself for gods sake

And no...camping in my garden would be trepassing and I would remove you with reasonable force...after all why should someone else get free rent when I have had to pay and work hard all my life

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
Cllr Green says: “...is the Government saying that the poorer people should be treated differently from those who are better off?

By the 'better off' I assume his is alluding to people who own their own house?
If he is, then somebody who's paid off a mortgage over 25 years has earned the right to live in a 4 bedroomed house by themselves. If somebody is renting a 4 bedroomed house at somebody else's expense then what 'right' have they to keep it? This new rule seems 'fair' to me and certainly not 'inhumane'
As usual Mr Green is making a cheap political point without a sensible solution.

If you are forcibly moving people out of their homes against their will with no where else to go then it most certainly IS inhumane! This is nothing short of ethnic cleansing, just like when Hitler's cronies cleared out the Ghettos. Cameron and Hitler, not much to choose between them.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

angry bradfordian wrote:
Cllr Green says: “...is the Government saying that the poorer people should be treated differently from those who are better off?

By the 'better off' I assume his is alluding to people who own their own house?
If he is, then somebody who's paid off a mortgage over 25 years has earned the right to live in a 4 bedroomed house by themselves. If somebody is renting a 4 bedroomed house at somebody else's expense then what 'right' have they to keep it? This new rule seems 'fair' to me and certainly not 'inhumane'
As usual Mr Green is making a cheap political point without a sensible solution.

If you are forcibly moving people out of their homes against their will with no where else to go then it most certainly IS inhumane! This is nothing short of ethnic cleansing, just like when Hitler's cronies cleared out the Ghettos. Cameron and Hitler, not much to choose between them.

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

So according to you people who are ill with Depression should be made homeless and forced to sleep rough? Great idea. How much will that cost the taxpayer?

Most of them would find a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




!

Too soft for Too long

"Most of them would find a job" ???

LOL

What planet are you living on?

WHAT JOBS?

DREAM ON!

Plant work!

You’re the one who needs to wake up and smell the coffee

No one is making him homeless! Just asking him to downsize.

Wish I could afford a 2-bed house in Baildon!!!

£56 per week! But he is still moaning, don't forget it’s coming
OUT OF HIS BENEFIT MONEY.

Which comes from taxpayers!

Get a job and pay your own way in this world, instead of crying the poor tale.

It's coming out of the Benefit money to which, presumably, he is rightfully entitled. Benefits are not a gift, they are a right!

benji123 wrote:

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

Ah, i see. the problem most people seem to have is the fact that the benefits system is paying his rent and he should get a job...no matter how many eyes,ears,arms or legs he has, if he is paying the rent on a secure for life tenancy,then that's OK. by the way,please, do tell what job your father does and what benefits he receives.i would be most interested to know how much HE costs the taxpayers.

benji123 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

Ah, i see. the problem most people seem to have is the fact that the benefits system is paying his rent and he should get a job...no matter how many eyes,ears,arms or legs he has, if he is paying the rent on a secure for life tenancy,then that's OK. by the way,please, do tell what job your father does and what benefits he receives.i would be most interested to know how much HE costs the taxpayers.

I'm sorry,i did not make it clear that my comments were intended for 'meccabingo1'

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

Ah, i see. the problem most people seem to have is the fact that the benefits system is paying his rent and he should get a job...no matter how many eyes,ears,arms or legs he has, if he is paying the rent on a secure for life tenancy,then that's OK. by the way,please, do tell what job your father does and what benefits he receives.i would be most interested to know how much HE costs the taxpayers.

I'm sorry,i did not make it clear that my comments were intended for 'meccabingo1'

He receives nothing a big fat zero.
He is a centre lathe turner/Engineer for your info! and has worked full time since been 16 years old.

benji123 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

Ah, i see. the problem most people seem to have is the fact that the benefits system is paying his rent and he should get a job...no matter how many eyes,ears,arms or legs he has, if he is paying the rent on a secure for life tenancy,then that's OK. by the way,please, do tell what job your father does and what benefits he receives.i would be most interested to know how much HE costs the taxpayers.

I'm sorry,i did not make it clear that my comments were intended for 'meccabingo1'

He receives nothing a big fat zero.
He is a centre lathe turner/Engineer for your info! and has worked full time since been 16 years old.

that's great.fair play to the man.total respect. just shows he is capable. my concerns are for the vulnerable and incapable. you can't use your fathers problems as a Yardstick for the rest of societies needs.

benji123 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

Ah, i see. the problem most people seem to have is the fact that the benefits system is paying his rent and he should get a job...no matter how many eyes,ears,arms or legs he has, if he is paying the rent on a secure for life tenancy,then that's OK. by the way,please, do tell what job your father does and what benefits he receives.i would be most interested to know how much HE costs the taxpayers.

I'm sorry,i did not make it clear that my comments were intended for 'meccabingo1'

He receives nothing a big fat zero.
He is a centre lathe turner/Engineer for your info! and has worked full time since been 16 years old.

that's great.fair play to the man.total respect. just shows he is capable. my concerns are for the vulnerable and incapable. you can't use your fathers problems as a Yardstick for the rest of societies needs.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

benji123 wrote:

Parz wrote:
Why shouldn't he be moved? Don't get me wrong I've nothing against him, but if his accomodation is provided by the local authority and paid for using taxpayer money it should not exceed his requirements, emotional attachment or not. If there is only him, why does he need a 2nd bedroom? Fair dues if more suitable accomodation can not be found then he should be allowed to remain there and not 'turf him onto the street', but if an alternative can be found then he should be moved.

Ah, i see. the problem most people seem to have is the fact that the benefits system is paying his rent and he should get a job...no matter how many eyes,ears,arms or legs he has, if he is paying the rent on a secure for life tenancy,then that's OK. by the way,please, do tell what job your father does and what benefits he receives.i would be most interested to know how much HE costs the taxpayers.

I'm sorry,i did not make it clear that my comments were intended for 'meccabingo1'

He receives nothing a big fat zero.
He is a centre lathe turner/Engineer for your info! and has worked full time since been 16 years old.

that's great.fair play to the man.total respect. just shows he is capable. my concerns are for the vulnerable and incapable. you can't use your fathers problems as a Yardstick for the rest of societies needs.

Vulnerable and Incapable fine, But lazy people taking taxpayers for a ride, No.
Benefits should not be seen as a right! that's part of the reason why the country is in its current state.

moanmoanwhingewhinge wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves. Nah...thought not All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing. Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

Why not shove the 'winging' (whatever that is) toerags into concentrate camps? I'm sure you'd be more than glad to organise it, you heartless pr1ck. Hope you get a nice injury one day so you can't work or pay your precious tax. How do you feel about people who have paid tax for years but are then unable to work for a while, Adolf? They deserve to be called Toerags and thrown on the street? Perhaps people pay their taxes in the understanding they'll be 'looked after' if the need occurs later in life?

johnhem wrote:
so all those people that paid into the system for donkeys years and now find themselves in dire straits because of the recession or cuts costing them their jobs should get nothing? they've paid for years for others and when they need it you say they can't have any help? samaritan you ain't. a third of the country would still be living in caves with your mentality running it. there would never have been social housing if people were just looking after themselves and not paying taxes for it, so all those millions would be in caves but i suppose you think they'd all have 42" plasma tv's? fool.

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state.
Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities.
Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers?
Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

benji123 wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

WOW,Bradford. Troll City.

Cooperlane2 wrote:
here's a situation:
Couple aged 18 have three kids, living in a three bed council house. When they are 36, the kids have left home.
Should the couple continue to live in a three bed home if it's council accomodation?

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

So according to you people who are ill with Depression should be made homeless and forced to sleep rough? Great idea. How much will that cost the taxpayer?

Most of them would find a job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





!

Too soft for Too long

"Most of them would find a job" ???

LOL

What planet are you living on?

WHAT JOBS?

DREAM ON!

Plant work!

You’re the one who needs to wake up and smell the coffee

No one is making him homeless! Just asking him to downsize.

Wish I could afford a 2-bed house in Baildon!!!

£56 per week! But he is still moaning, don't forget it’s coming
OUT OF HIS BENEFIT MONEY.

Which comes from taxpayers!

Get a job and pay your own way in this world, instead of crying the poor tale.

It's coming out of the Benefit money to which, presumably, he is rightfully entitled. Benefits are not a gift, they are a right!

Get into the real world.

I would ask him to move into a smaller place, and tell him to get a job or loss everything.

Job done!

It's about time people stopped feeling sorry for people like this.

MeccaBingo Manifesto?

1) Help young people find a proper job not a training course.

2) Help hard working parents with housing cost and childcare provision

3) Old people who have worked hard to a decent retirement

4) Stop the police and firemen retiring at 45!

5) Get out of Europe

6) Kick all illegals out and stop them coming in

7) Reform Public sector pensions that are currently costing the country Billions (set to rise)

8) Stop the Council spending silly money on waterfalls and Bridges.

Vote MeccaBingo

Mecca Bingo:
'Help hard working parents with housing cost and childcare provision'

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state.
Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities.
Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers?
Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:
Should of happened years ago. Tax payers should not be asked to house people who do not work because of depression! My Dad (58 years old) has depression and arthritis, one eye and has lost the hearing in one ear, but still gets up every morning for work. All that is been asked of this man is to move out into a one bed property so maybe a young family could better use it or pay a little more. Please people get a grip!!

mad matt wrote:
Ever since Mad Maggie sold off the council houses there has been a clamour for more affordable housing to be built and more one person flats to be provided. What have succsessive governments done? NOTHING! There are thousands of people wanting a home, we have a building industry that has died on its feet - thousands of tradesmen out of work, surely the obvious thing is to start building.

AAA.Happy.Man wrote:
Our dad were a ghost, 200 years old. 'e didn't moan, got up every night to rattle 'is chains like a good 'un, 'fact he still does up Bowling Hall.

bullslass wrote:
some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

RollandSmoke wrote:
If jobs are so easy to come by why is the Governments flagship regional growth fund spending up to £200,000 to create just one job, according to a new report by auditors?.

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As Mr Outhwaite is disabled he will also have the added worry that he may be one of the half a million people set to loose their DLA.
Thats If Atos don't kick him off the sick. Here's a report on the number of people who have died in the last year after Atos earned their £100m of taxpayers money.

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Inhumane cuts? I think there may be a letter missing.

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: If jobs are so easy to come by why is the Governments flagship regional growth fund spending up to £200,000 to create just one job, according to a new report by auditors?. http:/ /www.channel4.com/ne ws/200-000-to-create -one-job-under-gover nment-scheme As Mr Outhwaite is disabled he will also have the added worry that he may be one of the half a million people set to loose their DLA. Thats If Atos don't kick him off the sick. Here's a report on the number of people who have died in the last year after Atos earned their £100m of taxpayers money. http:/ /blogs.mirror.co.uk/ investigations/2012/ 04/32-die-a-week-aft er-failing-in.html Inhumane cuts? I think there may be a letter missing.

Rubbish, My mate was on the sick for 5 years with a bad back! he got sent for inspection and got kicked off the sick and onto job seekers, within 3 weeks he found a full time job! It does work

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Andy2010 wrote:
And whilst we are on a "Tesco" / "Banker" tip here with people moaning about their vast salaries heres a little ditto about the Tesco boss. With hard work people can succeed but modern society is just **** lazy to put the effort in or looks for people to blame for their circumstances " Clarke first worked for Tesco stacking shelves part-time in 1974 as a 14-year-old schoolboy in Liverpool. He joined the management training scheme after studying economics at Liverpool University. "

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: And whilst we are on a "Tesco" / "Banker" tip here with people moaning about their vast salaries heres a little ditto about the Tesco boss. With hard work people can succeed but modern society is just **** lazy to put the effort in or looks for people to blame for their circumstances " Clarke first worked for Tesco stacking shelves part-time in 1974 as a 14-year-old schoolboy in Liverpool. He joined the management training scheme after studying economics at Liverpool University. "

I don't really give a monkeys how much the people at the top earn so long as they pay their taxes and, if making vast profits, they pay their workers a living wage so they are not relient on benefits, but they don't. Are you seriously saying that it's only the management that make the vast profits? I would have thought that the workforce were fairly instrumental in the success of the company. If vast profits are being made they should be paying a decent wage to the workers and not giving it all to deligating penpushers.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Tesco pay a decent wage for monkeys, never going to get £35000+ for stacking shelves! This country sold its manufacturing base down the river for nothing, just like its gold reserves! North Sea gas and oil running out, financial & service sectors in decline, high housing costs, Public sector taking the pi@s. the future is clear look after No.1 and sod them who do not contribute.

moanmoanwhingewhinge wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:
Why shouldnt any under occupied house not have the tenants moved out for others. End of the day it is their house and technically belongs to the tax payers. As a tax payer any emotional attachment to a house is irrelevent and they should move to somewhere smaller. Either that or start the dreaded W word (work) and buy something they like themselves. Nah...thought not All I see on here is numerous articles about people moaning about not getting looked after or something for nothing. Shut up and get to work and sort your own lives out...winging towrags

Why not shove the 'winging' (whatever that is) toerags into concentrate camps? I'm sure you'd be more than glad to organise it, you heartless pr1ck. Hope you get a nice injury one day so you can't work or pay your precious tax. How do you feel about people who have paid tax for years but are then unable to work for a while, Adolf? They deserve to be called Toerags and thrown on the street? Perhaps people pay their taxes in the understanding they'll be 'looked after' if the need occurs later in life?

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Saltaire Bantam wrote:
Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state.
Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities.
Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers?
Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

MisterBD wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

I too was earning more 20 years ago, and I agree just why should tax payers be subsidising private companies by having to pay tax credits to make peoples wages acceptabe when CEO's take millions. If people need tax credits to live the minimum wage is set far too low

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

I too was earning more 20 years ago, and I agree just why should tax payers be subsidising private companies by having to pay tax credits to make peoples wages acceptabe when CEO's take millions. If people need tax credits to live the minimum wage is set far too low

Ok pay shelve stackers and the like £20 per hour, great idea!! Just one problem tell me how much my/your weekly shop will go up, 250% maybe? get into the real world.

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place.

If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Tesco pay a decent wage for monkeys, never going to get £35000+ for stacking shelves! This country sold its manufacturing base down the river for nothing, just like its gold reserves! North Sea gas and oil running out, financial & service sectors in decline, high housing costs, Public sector taking the pi@s. the future is clear look after No.1 and sod them who do not contribute.

You put it perfectly

Look after yourself and your family and stuff everyone else

As it should be

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

Get a job then you lazy person. Spend time looking for one instead of posting utter rubbish here.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Tesco pay a decent wage for monkeys, never going to get £35000+ for stacking shelves! This country sold its manufacturing base down the river for nothing, just like its gold reserves! North Sea gas and oil running out, financial & service sectors in decline, high housing costs, Public sector taking the pi@s. the future is clear look after No.1 and sod them who do not contribute.

You put it perfectly

Look after yourself and your family and stuff everyone else

As it should be

What a thoroughly nasty selfish little git you are!

What sort of society do you want to create? Yours would be a dog-eat-dog world, with everyone firmly rooted in the service-to-self paradigm. That is the exact opposite of what Christ taught us. You, therefore, are a Satanist!

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Tesco pay a decent wage for monkeys, never going to get £35000+ for stacking shelves! This country sold its manufacturing base down the river for nothing, just like its gold reserves! North Sea gas and oil running out, financial & service sectors in decline, high housing costs, Public sector taking the pi@s. the future is clear look after No.1 and sod them who do not contribute.

You put it perfectly Look after yourself and your family and stuff everyone else As it should be

What a thoroughly nasty selfish little git you are! What sort of society do you want to create? Yours would be a dog-eat-dog world, with everyone firmly rooted in the service-to-self paradigm. That is the exact opposite of what Christ taught us. You, therefore, are a Satanist!

bedorah wrote:
In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

Huneybunch wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

But you can afford a PC and no doubt have sky, car and other stuff that us hard working people dont have!

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote:
In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises

RollandSmoke wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me how much time some hardworking taxpayers spend trolling on the T&A. What job pays you to do that? A days WORK would kill 'em. I can only assume that if they are cheating their employers they'll be cheating the taxman too.
Hypocrates.

Huneybunch wrote:
I think we will end up living in Tents as the UK tend to follow the trend of the Yanks. Years ago it use to be that people lived on Trailer parks as the rents were cheaper but not anymore. So tent city here we come and I am talking about those of is that work and not those that claim benifits.

Andy2010 wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:
I think we will end up living in Tents as the UK tend to follow the trend of the Yanks. Years ago it use to be that people lived on Trailer parks as the rents were cheaper but not anymore. So tent city here we come and I am talking about those of is that work and not those that claim benifits.

exactly

its should be the other way round.

Benefits scum should be put in tent cities and working tax payers should be helped out

Huneybunch wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

But you can afford a PC and no doubt have sky, car and other stuff that us hard working people dont have!

BD16 wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

But you can afford a PC and no doubt have sky, car and other stuff that us hard working people dont have!

No he doesn't Huneybunch. He spends it all on dope and then tells the world how it owes him a living despite his refusal to work for many years.

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote:
In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote:
In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises

And YOU, Andy2010, should be taken outside and shot, ASAP.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote: In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises

And YOU, Andy2010, should be taken outside and shot, ASAP.

Andy seems to have reasonable views, unlike you. Use your Internet connection and £40 computer to find a job! Or get out of your computer chair, get into the real world and knock on some employer’s doors!

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote: In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises

And YOU, Andy2010, should be taken outside and shot, ASAP.

Andy seems to have reasonable views, unlike you. Use your Internet connection and £40 computer to find a job! Or get out of your computer chair, get into the real world and knock on some employer’s doors!

That my friend would be too much like hard work for people like this

Much easier to go down the jobcentre once a fortnight and claim to be looking for work when in fact all they do is check the terminals when there and say

"I'm not working for that wage" or "That will interfere with Jeremy Kyle and drinking time"

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

£200 left for food? !!! I live on JSA and have about £10 per week for food.

But you can afford a PC and no doubt have sky, car and other stuff that us hard working people dont have!

WHAT? NO, I DO NOT OWN A CAR, OR A TV. AS FOR MY PC, IT IS OLD AND COST ME £40. BIG DEAL. ALSO, IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WORKING (WHICH YOU CLEARLY ARE NOT) THEN WHY DON'T YOU QUIT YOUR JOB AND GO ON THE DOLE, IF YOU THINK IT'S THAT GREAT? THE CHOICE IS YOURS.

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

bullslass wrote:
when my children were young, I wanted to do some part time studying to fit around them and my 3 part time jobs (husband working full time) I was told I was at the back of the queue for a college place as I was not a single parent or from the ethnic minority and when i complained I was told it was positive discrinination and nothing I could do about it. So Andy 2010 dont say I didnt try to bett ery myself. Oh and I almost forgot, my husband was in the TA so we were a right pair of scroungers and never do wells wern't we? paying full for everything whilst neighbours were the one with Sky tv and foreign holidays with out tax pax money

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Tesco pay a decent wage for monkeys, never going to get £35000+ for stacking shelves! This country sold its manufacturing base down the river for nothing, just like its gold reserves! North Sea gas and oil running out, financial & service sectors in decline, high housing costs, Public sector taking the pi@s. the future is clear look after No.1 and sod them who do not contribute.

You put it perfectly

Look after yourself and your family and stuff everyone else

As it should be

What a thoroughly nasty selfish little git you are!

What sort of society do you want to create? Yours would be a dog-eat-dog world, with everyone firmly rooted in the service-to-self paradigm. That is the exact opposite of what Christ taught us. You, therefore, are a Satanist!

Better than not having a job and sponging off taxpayers!

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote: In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises

And YOU, Andy2010, should be taken outside and shot, ASAP.

Andy seems to have reasonable views, unlike you. Use your Internet connection and £40 computer to find a job! Or get out of your computer chair, get into the real world and knock on some employer’s doors!

That my friend would be too much like hard work for people like this

Much easier to go down the jobcentre once a fortnight and claim to be looking for work when in fact all they do is check the terminals when there and say

"I'm not working for that wage" or "That will interfere with Jeremy Kyle and drinking time"

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

Andy2010 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

I'm afraid your confused my friend

It's labour / unions - scum

Andy2010 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

I'm afraid your confused my friend

It's labour / unions - scum

BD16 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

I'm afraid your confused my friend It's labour / unions - scum

Actually, neither of them are "scum" They are just different opinions as to what the best way forward is for the country. Do we have to come down to peurile name calling? Quite sad really.

RollandSmoke wrote:

BD16 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

I'm afraid your confused my friend It's labour / unions - scum

Actually, neither of them are "scum" They are just different opinions as to what the best way forward is for the country. Do we have to come down to peurile name calling? Quite sad really.

When talking about politicians I would say THEY'RE ALL SCUM. The days of people getting into politics for ideological reasons or a deep felt desire to help and serve their fellow man are long gone. Westminster is the feeding trough and the appitites are massive.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: And whilst we are on a "Tesco" / "Banker" tip here with people moaning about their vast salaries heres a little ditto about the Tesco boss. With hard work people can succeed but modern society is just **** lazy to put the effort in or looks for people to blame for their circumstances " Clarke first worked for Tesco stacking shelves part-time in 1974 as a 14-year-old schoolboy in Liverpool. He joined the management training scheme after studying economics at Liverpool University. "

I don't really give a monkeys how much the people at the top earn so long as they pay their taxes and, if making vast profits, they pay their workers a living wage so they are not relient on benefits, but they don't. Are you seriously saying that it's only the management that make the vast profits? I would have thought that the workforce were fairly instrumental in the success of the company. If vast profits are being made they should be paying a decent wage to the workers and not giving it all to deligating penpushers.

Why are workers reliant on benefits ? Benefits are forced on people. People claim them. Tesco for example dont sit down with their employees and show them what they can claim. People claim not the business.

Min wage is £6.08 so say on a 38 hour week and with the new tax thresholds that means someone comes out with £924 a month. Lets say they are single. £400 in rent would be fair for a one bedroomed flat. £100 council tax. £60 utilities leaves £350 ish left for the month....whats the problem? If they cant manage on this then improve how much you earn by education or work your way up.

The business they work for's profits are quite frankly nothing to do with them and they are EMPLOYED to do a job

Huneybunch wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

Saltaire Bantam wrote: Why don't these people get a job then they will be able to buy or rent their own house and they won't have to rely of the state. Rent is cheap in Bradford compared to other cities. Why are they allowed to spend their whole lives scrounging off the tax payers? Take away all of their benefits and make them work for a living.

what utter S##T and where are the jobs coming from ? and if they do manage to get a job on 6.50/hr just how are they going to afford even a small house ? why do you assum tory like that everyone is a scrounger

because generally they are. A friend of mine who was long term unemployed a few months was arguing with me that it was impossible to get a job. The following week we printed his cv off and spent a whole evening driving round local pubs, bingo halls, restaurents and takeaways. At the end of the evening he had two job offers and now works. It can be done just people think the state owes them a living and are too bone idle to get off their back side and actually go look for work. As demonstrated earlier if you put in a 40 hour week on mininum wage you will have enough to get by. yeah you wont have much left other but such is life

You must have a very well paid job, with comments like that, as I stated earlier I have 3 jobs just to make ends meet. The only pleasure I get is a bar of choc now & again. By the time I pay my renta and council Tax and bills I AM LUCKY IF I HAVE £200 left to buy food and get to and fro from work.

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

MisterBD wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

I too was earning more 20 years ago, and I agree just why should tax payers be subsidising private companies by having to pay tax credits to make peoples wages acceptabe when CEO's take millions. If people need tax credits to live the minimum wage is set far too low

Ok pay shelve stackers and the like £20 per hour, great idea!! Just one problem tell me how much my/your weekly shop will go up, 250% maybe? get into the real world.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

MeccaBingo1 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

bullslass wrote: some working people on low wages are in receipt of some housing benefit. I don't see how they can be called scroungers.

They can't, I have a few names for their employers though. Why the taxpayer should be subsidising the wages bill of private companies and lining the pockets of shareholders is beyond me.

Why a few names for their employers. Everyone in this country is given an education and they should embrace this and ensure that they make something of their lives earning a decent income. If they dont and are working for minimum wage then thats their problem..not the taxpayers to prop them up. How can anyone blame employers...fools. If you not happy with the wage you get either improve yourself and earn more or get another job as well to increase how much you earn. When i was on my backside money wise I worked 3 part time jobs on mininum wage just to make ends meet and ensure the mortgage could be paid. I'm grateful to my employers back then for letting me work for them as jobs are hard to come by and although "poorly" paid everyone shoudl be grateful to have a job in the first place. If you dont like earning minumun wage do something about it rather than moaning you need help with this, that and the other

Your education hasn't made you very bright has it? I was earning more 20 years ago than I could hope to earn now. The unemployment has been manufactured to drive wages down. Employers don't offer a living wage as they know the taxpayer will make up the shortfall. If you want to kiss your employers @rse that's your choice but I and many others on here see the exploitation that is taking place. Do you think workers at Tesco should be relient on working tax credits when Tesco's CEO is paid £6.7m and the companies profits are higher than some country's GDP?

Tesco pay a decent wage for monkeys, never going to get £35000+ for stacking shelves! This country sold its manufacturing base down the river for nothing, just like its gold reserves! North Sea gas and oil running out, financial & service sectors in decline, high housing costs, Public sector taking the pi@s. the future is clear look after No.1 and sod them who do not contribute.

You put it perfectly

Look after yourself and your family and stuff everyone else

As it should be

What a thoroughly nasty selfish little git you are!

What sort of society do you want to create? Yours would be a dog-eat-dog world, with everyone firmly rooted in the service-to-self paradigm. That is the exact opposite of what Christ taught us. You, therefore, are a Satanist!

RollandSmoke wrote:
It's interesting to see the veiws of all three of Bradford's Tory voters in one thread. I suppose you agree with the Tory analasis of their local election thrashing, "we're not far enough to the right"? How far right do you have to go before it becomes fascism?

Bingleyite wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

Really?? So the absolute worse thing in the world is being a Tory?

Goodness, one would think that the "worseness ratio" may be defined by illegal actions - murder, rape etc rather than one's political leanings in a democracy.

I voted Tory in the last election (first time of doing so). I have never been out of work apart from a 3 year career break to have my child. I have never claimed benefits. I pay a substantial amount of tax, do charity work, raise my daughter and keep myself to myself.

And there's nothing worse than me?

It is a shame on a thread that could - and indeed was - a sensible and interesting debate, you have stooped to puerile name calling when you cannot get your point (although I actually fail to see what that is) across.

You are not "entitled to" benefits. They should be a crutch when all other avenues have been exhausted NOT a lifestyle choice.

BD16 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse

Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory !

Tory = SCUM

I'm afraid your confused my friend

It's labour / unions - scum

Actually, neither of them are "scum" They are just different opinions as to what the best way forward is for the country.

Do we have to come down to peurile name calling? Quite sad really.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bingleyite wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

Really?? So the absolute worse thing in the world is being a Tory? Goodness, one would think that the "worseness ratio" may be defined by illegal actions - murder, rape etc rather than one's political leanings in a democracy. I voted Tory in the last election (first time of doing so). I have never been out of work apart from a 3 year career break to have my child. I have never claimed benefits. I pay a substantial amount of tax, do charity work, raise my daughter and keep myself to myself. And there's nothing worse than me? It is a shame on a thread that could - and indeed was - a sensible and interesting debate, you have stooped to puerile name calling when you cannot get your point (although I actually fail to see what that is) across. You are not "entitled to" benefits. They should be a crutch when all other avenues have been exhausted NOT a lifestyle choice.

Yes I am entitled to Benefits, as possibly were you, so if you chose not to claim then that must be because you have money. State Benefits are NOT a gift, they are a RIGHT! The State owes us all a living, and don't you ever forget it.

RollandSmoke wrote:
The word "inhumane" crops up again today in a report about a man driven to try to take his own life after his multiple medical conditions failed to score him a single point on his Atos assesment. A recent freedom of information request by the Mirror revealed that over a thousand people died last year within six weeks of being declared fit for work. How many will consider ending it all when faced with loosing their homes? I await the replies from all the compassionate people saying that at least when they're dead they wont be claiming. http:/ /blogs.mirror.co.uk/ investigations/2012/ 04/32-die-a-week-aft er-failing-in.html

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:
The word "inhumane" crops up again today in a report about a man driven to try to take his own life after his multiple medical conditions failed to score him a single point on his Atos assesment. A recent freedom of information request by the Mirror revealed that over a thousand people died last year within six weeks of being declared fit for work. How many will consider ending it all when faced with loosing their homes? I await the replies from all the compassionate people saying that at least when they're dead they wont be claiming. http:/ /blogs.mirror.co.uk/ investigations/2012/ 04/32-die-a-week-aft er-failing-in.html

So these people ar etold to get a job so they kill themselves?

And you want compassion?

They are merely being selfish

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bingleyite wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

Really?? So the absolute worse thing in the world is being a Tory? Goodness, one would think that the "worseness ratio" may be defined by illegal actions - murder, rape etc rather than one's political leanings in a democracy. I voted Tory in the last election (first time of doing so). I have never been out of work apart from a 3 year career break to have my child. I have never claimed benefits. I pay a substantial amount of tax, do charity work, raise my daughter and keep myself to myself. And there's nothing worse than me? It is a shame on a thread that could - and indeed was - a sensible and interesting debate, you have stooped to puerile name calling when you cannot get your point (although I actually fail to see what that is) across. You are not "entitled to" benefits. They should be a crutch when all other avenues have been exhausted NOT a lifestyle choice.

Yes I am entitled to Benefits, as possibly were you, so if you chose not to claim then that must be because you have money. State Benefits are NOT a gift, they are a RIGHT! The State owes us all a living, and don't you ever forget it.

The state does not owe you a living and don't you ever forget it.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bingleyite wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

Really?? So the absolute worse thing in the world is being a Tory? Goodness, one would think that the "worseness ratio" may be defined by illegal actions - murder, rape etc rather than one's political leanings in a democracy. I voted Tory in the last election (first time of doing so). I have never been out of work apart from a 3 year career break to have my child. I have never claimed benefits. I pay a substantial amount of tax, do charity work, raise my daughter and keep myself to myself. And there's nothing worse than me? It is a shame on a thread that could - and indeed was - a sensible and interesting debate, you have stooped to puerile name calling when you cannot get your point (although I actually fail to see what that is) across. You are not "entitled to" benefits. They should be a crutch when all other avenues have been exhausted NOT a lifestyle choice.

Yes I am entitled to Benefits, as possibly were you, so if you chose not to claim then that must be because you have money. State Benefits are NOT a gift, they are a RIGHT! The State owes us all a living, and don't you ever forget it.

The state does not owe you a living and don't you ever forget it.

Is that a fact? You seem to have conveniently forgotten about a little matter called the Inclosures: http://homepage.ntlw orld.com/janusg/land ls.htm YES, THE STATE DOES OWE US A LIVING, YOU STUPID **** !!!

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bingleyite wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

Really?? So the absolute worse thing in the world is being a Tory? Goodness, one would think that the "worseness ratio" may be defined by illegal actions - murder, rape etc rather than one's political leanings in a democracy. I voted Tory in the last election (first time of doing so). I have never been out of work apart from a 3 year career break to have my child. I have never claimed benefits. I pay a substantial amount of tax, do charity work, raise my daughter and keep myself to myself. And there's nothing worse than me? It is a shame on a thread that could - and indeed was - a sensible and interesting debate, you have stooped to puerile name calling when you cannot get your point (although I actually fail to see what that is) across. You are not "entitled to" benefits. They should be a crutch when all other avenues have been exhausted NOT a lifestyle choice.

Yes I am entitled to Benefits, as possibly were you, so if you chose not to claim then that must be because you have money. State Benefits are NOT a gift, they are a RIGHT! The State owes us all a living, and don't you ever forget it.

The state does not owe you a living and don't you ever forget it.

Is that a fact? You seem to have conveniently forgotten about a little matter called the Inclosures: http://homepage.ntlw orld.com/janusg/land ls.htm YES, THE STATE DOES OWE US A LIVING, YOU STUPID **** !!!

Reasonable sort of a chap indeed.More like a madman.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

flogem wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Bingleyite wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote: Why don't you two just shout across the office rather than airing your love life on here? You'll both have plenty of energy for the pub 'cos neither of you have done any work today, unless of course your working for the Tory scum party. Mmm I wonder.

Could be worse Could be a Labour supporter

NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING could be worse than being a Tory ! Tory = SCUM

Really?? So the absolute worse thing in the world is being a Tory? Goodness, one would think that the "worseness ratio" may be defined by illegal actions - murder, rape etc rather than one's political leanings in a democracy. I voted Tory in the last election (first time of doing so). I have never been out of work apart from a 3 year career break to have my child. I have never claimed benefits. I pay a substantial amount of tax, do charity work, raise my daughter and keep myself to myself. And there's nothing worse than me? It is a shame on a thread that could - and indeed was - a sensible and interesting debate, you have stooped to puerile name calling when you cannot get your point (although I actually fail to see what that is) across. You are not "entitled to" benefits. They should be a crutch when all other avenues have been exhausted NOT a lifestyle choice.

Yes I am entitled to Benefits, as possibly were you, so if you chose not to claim then that must be because you have money. State Benefits are NOT a gift, they are a RIGHT! The State owes us all a living, and don't you ever forget it.

The state does not owe you a living and don't you ever forget it.

Is that a fact? You seem to have conveniently forgotten about a little matter called the Inclosures: http://homepage.ntlw orld.com/janusg/land ls.htm YES, THE STATE DOES OWE US A LIVING, YOU STUPID **** !!!

Reasonable sort of a chap indeed.More like a madman.

Thanks for your diagnosis, may I have a sick-note ?

Andy2010 wrote:

bedorah wrote:
In some cases,landlords are offering help with moving costs,carpets,etc.to people prepared to downsize.but this offer is only for people who live in houses. I live in a 2 bedroomed flat and am more than willing to downsize. But I will not be offered any help!!! How can this be fair..

Why would you need help to move? Are you talking about financial help or actually moving your stuff here. if its financial then you shouldnt get a penny but forcably removed to to a smaller house/ flat to make way for people who can occupy the full premises