Bradford baby mortality rate falls for fourth year - but only slightly (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

This isn't really about deprived areas, the biggest factor is the elephant in the room that isn't reported on. First cousin relationships.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
This isn't really about deprived areas, the biggest factor is the elephant in the room that isn't reported on. First cousin relationships.

"genetic inheritance awareness"
Do you think this is it and they using fancy words to hide it?

Joedavid wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
This isn't really about deprived areas, the biggest factor is the elephant in the room that isn't reported on. First cousin relationships.

"genetic inheritance awareness"
Do you think this is it and they using fancy words to hide it?

I think that term is wide open tbh. In Bradford when you become pregnant the NHS ask you various questions, one of which is are you related. I for one have never been so disgusted to be asked such a question.

Surely if the parents are cousins it is best for the Doctors to know so as to help the child as much as possible it is not the childs fault its parents are cousins.
Of course we need a change of culture in Bradford to avoid the situation in the first place.
If they are hiding that marring a cousin is not good in fancy words then the situation will not improve, we have allways done plain speaking in Yorkshire and we should stick to it.

It's still much lower than in the good old days of the British Empire when business was booming, the nation was wealthy, yet the average life expectancy in Bradford was just 18.

skirting round the truth again ?

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
It's still much lower than in the good old days of the British Empire when business was booming, the nation was wealthy, yet the average life expectancy in Bradford was just 18.

So what? Life expectancy anywhere in the world was much lower in those days.
This is about the here and now.

The lefties blame smoking for just about every malady known to man?

Pathetic reporting as usual. Why do the reporters of the T&A fail to say what the biggest factor in infant death is caused by in Bradford?

It will never improve until it is brought out in the open with no excuses or sensitivities.

No parent in the world would be upset or angry about getting some factual up to date advice on how to stop their child being disabled, very ill or even to prevent it from dying.

Why would the Asian parents care about their own children's health any less than any other parents?

This pc rubbish is in fact an insult to first cousin parents.

Has it been broken down for various ethnicities, types of relationships et al, for as much as interbreeding is a major cause and effect, other types of child-birth can be just as devastating.

Wasn't Bradford high for under-age pregnancies a while back ?.

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"British Pakistanis are 13 times more likely to have children with genetic disorders than the general population - they account for just over 3% of all births but have just under a third of all British children with such illnesses.

Indeed, Birmingham Primary Care Trust estimates that one in ten of all children born to first cousins in the city either dies in infancy or goes on to develop serious disability as a result of a recessive genetic disorder."

The NHS in Bradford clearly know the ethnicity of all the babies born at the BRI, because they don't offer protection from tb to the 'white' ones.
Seeing as they have an ethnicity and diversity department (guess the ethnicity of the senior), surely they should be releasing these figures, that's unless they don't want the (still) white majority to know that regarding birthrates, they are now some what the minority!
but this is from an office that gives three choices for Pakistanis, none for philipinos' and none for white europeans

Welcome to the Socialist dream of
Multiculturalism.
You get what you vote for and they do not tell you what they are really going to do once in power!
Vote UKIP.

Colin Allcars wrote:
The NHS in Bradford clearly know the ethnicity of all the babies born at the BRI, because they don't offer protection from tb to the 'white' ones.
Seeing as they have an ethnicity and diversity department (guess the ethnicity of the senior), surely they should be releasing these figures, that's unless they don't want the (still) white majority to know that regarding birthrates, they are now some what the minority!
but this is from an office that gives three choices for Pakistanis, none for philipinos' and none for white europeans

That's a load tosh - my wife gave birth last month. We we're offered TB inoculation (My parents are Indian origin). The lady next to us was also offered the same (she was white), as were the 2 opposite who were also white.
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We took it as we have relatives from India visiting us fairly often - so there is a high risk. All the others except one had their babies inoculated against TB as well.
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When we visited the Mid wife we were never asked if we we're related (we're not - but still had the same sure name). That seems to be another myth being posted around. Another myth seems to be telling you about the sex of the baby via the scan, we we're told we had a big chance that my wife would give birth to a girl.

spark9990 wrote:

Colin Allcars wrote: The NHS in Bradford clearly know the ethnicity of all the babies born at the BRI, because they don't offer protection from tb to the 'white' ones. Seeing as they have an ethnicity and diversity department (guess the ethnicity of the senior), surely they should be releasing these figures, that's unless they don't want the (still) white majority to know that regarding birthrates, they are now some what the minority! but this is from an office that gives three choices for Pakistanis, none for philipinos' and none for white europeans

That's a load tosh - my wife gave birth last month. We we're offered TB inoculation (My parents are Indian origin). The lady next to us was also offered the same (she was white), as were the 2 opposite who were also white. . We took it as we have relatives from India visiting us fairly often - so there is a high risk. All the others except one had their babies inoculated against TB as well. . When we visited the Mid wife we were never asked if we we're related (we're not - but still had the same sure name). That seems to be another myth being posted around. Another myth seems to be telling you about the sex of the baby via the scan, we we're told we had a big chance that my wife would give birth to a girl.

The question about being related is not a myth. I can confirm it was asked, the midwife was even embarassed to ask it to us. This was a Bradford hospital and it was fairly recent.

There's a taxi driver who regularly picks me up who is married to the daughter of his father's brother and mother's sister. They have four children - all with a similar severe disability.

After the first one or two and knowing the risks.... Why?

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

spark9990 wrote:

Colin Allcars wrote: The NHS in Bradford clearly know the ethnicity of all the babies born at the BRI, because they don't offer protection from tb to the 'white' ones. Seeing as they have an ethnicity and diversity department (guess the ethnicity of the senior), surely they should be releasing these figures, that's unless they don't want the (still) white majority to know that regarding birthrates, they are now some what the minority! but this is from an office that gives three choices for Pakistanis, none for philipinos' and none for white europeans

That's a load tosh - my wife gave birth last month. We we're offered TB inoculation (My parents are Indian origin). The lady next to us was also offered the same (she was white), as were the 2 opposite who were also white. . We took it as we have relatives from India visiting us fairly often - so there is a high risk. All the others except one had their babies inoculated against TB as well. . When we visited the Mid wife we were never asked if we we're related (we're not - but still had the same sure name). That seems to be another myth being posted around. Another myth seems to be telling you about the sex of the baby via the scan, we we're told we had a big chance that my wife would give birth to a girl.

The question about being related is not a myth. I can confirm it was asked, the midwife was even embarassed to ask it to us. This was a Bradford hospital and it was fairly recent.

Well we were not asked, neither was my brother and his wife 6 months ago. I've just asked my colleagues at work, they were also not asked (one pakistani origin - one white, both have wives expecting who are due in 2/3 months time). We all were asked the same routines questions. All of us from Bradford.

spark9990 wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

spark9990 wrote:

Colin Allcars wrote: The NHS in Bradford clearly know the ethnicity of all the babies born at the BRI, because they don't offer protection from tb to the 'white' ones. Seeing as they have an ethnicity and diversity department (guess the ethnicity of the senior), surely they should be releasing these figures, that's unless they don't want the (still) white majority to know that regarding birthrates, they are now some what the minority! but this is from an office that gives three choices for Pakistanis, none for philipinos' and none for white europeans

That's a load tosh - my wife gave birth last month. We we're offered TB inoculation (My parents are Indian origin). The lady next to us was also offered the same (she was white), as were the 2 opposite who were also white. . We took it as we have relatives from India visiting us fairly often - so there is a high risk. All the others except one had their babies inoculated against TB as well. . When we visited the Mid wife we were never asked if we we're related (we're not - but still had the same sure name). That seems to be another myth being posted around. Another myth seems to be telling you about the sex of the baby via the scan, we we're told we had a big chance that my wife would give birth to a girl.

The question about being related is not a myth. I can confirm it was asked, the midwife was even embarassed to ask it to us. This was a Bradford hospital and it was fairly recent.

Well we were not asked, neither was my brother and his wife 6 months ago. I've just asked my colleagues at work, they were also not asked (one pakistani origin - one white, both have wives expecting who are due in 2/3 months time). We all were asked the same routines questions. All of us from Bradford.

Thats fair comment but I'm only commenting on my experience and some others that I know. Maybe it's different midwives who ask the question or maybe there have been complaints as I know I nearly raised one myself.
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Fact is it is not a myth as you put it and it has been asked. Finding the baby's sex out at the scan is something information that is given freely but I know people for a few years ago who never had the opportunity to ask. This is not the case now.

Historically Bradford parents weren't given the option to know their unborn baby's sex, but since it was the done thing in other cities, it had to be done here.
Regarding the tb protection, I wouldn't have thought you'd be discussing that with other parents so soon after the birth of your child, I thought you'd have other things to think about, but if so, maybe those other parents were in a risk group, or maybe because of Bradford's problems with tb in recent years, they've had to change policy.