Majority of Bradford GPs will not be striking (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Greed greed greed! doctors earn more money than most of us anyway! a lot of people can't even afford to contribute towards a private pension. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Greed? No, it's sticking up for themselves which is what most Public Servants are being forced to do.

Did doctors cause the financial meltdown? No. So why must they pay for others mistakes? Why should they be forced to give more for less when the people who caused the crash continue to prosper and even benefit from their own errors.

Cutting back on the public services is not the only answer. Getting billionaires to pay their tax is the only way ordinary people can get through this without being caused real pain.

As for most people nbot paying iinto a pension, I sympathise but this is not the fault of doctors. If the public sector can afford to do so and the private sector can't, the problem is with private sector wages and pensions, not the public ones. If you think because one is hurting, all should hurt, you are seriously warped. Wouldn't it be better to say that, if public sector workers can get a pension and private sector can't, let's get the private sector workers a pension?

GOOD LUCK TO ALL THOSE TAKING STRIKE ACTION. EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY SHOULD GO ON STRIKE AND BRING DOWN THIS EVIL, VINDICTIVE SHAMBLES OF A GOVERNMENT.

GET OUT ON STRIKE ! ! !

Total greed! It’s just sick.

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THOSE TAKING STRIKE ACTION. EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY SHOULD GO ON STRIKE AND BRING DOWN THIS EVIL, VINDICTIVE SHAMBLES OF A GOVERNMENT.

GET OUT ON STRIKE ! ! !

Bravo to the doctors who stand by their duty and go in to work!

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THOSE TAKING STRIKE ACTION. EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY SHOULD GO ON STRIKE AND BRING DOWN THIS EVIL, VINDICTIVE SHAMBLES OF A GOVERNMENT. GET OUT ON STRIKE ! ! !

here he goes again :(

The workshy supporting strikes !! Kind of ironic really

And as for the Doctors..not they shoudnt be striking. They are paid enough and if they dont like it they are welcome to search for employment elsewhere as are the rest of the public sector. Their wages are paid for by our (workers) taxes and therefore they are accountable to ourselves and should offer the service they are paid to do

Like I said dont like it then get lost and get another job. Put up or shut up

I wouldn't notice the difference whether they went on strike or not, considering I can't even get an appointment when they are supposedly there!!

The right-wing nonsense spouters supporting the Tory Gov - not ironic at all, really!

Doctors can and will get another job, in private practice, which is where the Tories would like them. Then they can privatise the NHS and then everyone can have all the healthcare they can afford... which for many would be virtually none.

If you want doctors to leave the NHS, keep treating them like rubbish but you will miss them when they're gone and you have to fork out £1000s a year on medical insurance.

If we listen to the 'don't like then get another job' people, we'd have no doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, binmen or anyone in any branch of local government. And if we carry on, maybe we won't.

JAtkinson wrote:
The right-wing nonsense spouters supporting the Tory Gov - not ironic at all, really! Doctors can and will get another job, in private practice, which is where the Tories would like them. Then they can privatise the NHS and then everyone can have all the healthcare they can afford... which for many would be virtually none. If you want doctors to leave the NHS, keep treating them like rubbish but you will miss them when they're gone and you have to fork out £1000s a year on medical insurance. If we listen to the 'don't like then get another job' people, we'd have no doctors, nurses, teachers, police officers, binmen or anyone in any branch of local government. And if we carry on, maybe we won't.

And your point is?

You make a very sweeping statement and predict the end of the NHS...not gonna happen. Doctors, Nurses, Binmen whatever can all be replaced quite easily. Once again another Labour idiot with the only answer to everything is to throw money at the problem

I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

The public sector pension reforms are meant to give the cleaners,porters & other lowly paid sector workers a better pensions deal & if this means the "top brass" GP's & Consultants have to pay abit more then whats wrong with that ?.They never mentioned getting "more for less" when their contracts ditched all the weekend work.Sadly,they can't have it both ways !

bradfordian wrote:
I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with

Why all the doom and gloom over the American health system. Say what you want about it but as long as your insurance is paid up they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. The NHS and the NI contributions arent everything they are cracked up to be. In fact if you do some research you will learn that Americans pay actually far far less in insurance than we do in NI and receive a far far superior service

Doctors in training

Doctors in training earn a basic salary and will be paid a supplement if they work more than 40 hours and/or work outside the hours of 7am-7pm Monday to Friday.

In the most junior hospital trainee post (Foundation Year 1) the basic starting salary is £22,412. This increases in Foundation Year 2 to £27,798. For a doctor in specialist training the basic starting salary is £29,705. If the doctor is contracted to work more than 40 hours and/or to work outside 7am-7pm Monday to Friday, they will receive an additional supplement which will normally be between 20% and 50% of basic salary. This supplement is based on the extra hours worked above a 40 hour standard working week and the intensity of the work.
Specialty doctor and associate specialist (2008) (SAS doctors)

Doctors in the new specialty doctor grade earn between £36,807 and £70,126.

General practitioners

Many general practitioners (GPs) are self employed and hold contracts, either on their own or as part of a partnership, with their local primary care trust (PCT). The profit of GPs varies according to the services they provide for their patients and the way they choose to provide these services.

Salaried GPs employed directly by PCTs earn between £53,781 to £81,158, dependent on, among other factors, length of service and experience.

not exactly hard done to then are they?

Don't care if they do or they don't but I do hope those USELESS WASTES OF SPACE in the above story get jail time and have their heads well and truly smashed open inside. Human rights? They deserve the same rights they gave the bloke, none. Lock em up with a few meaty skinheads, let them feel truly intimidated.

Ok, back to arguing about greed or whatever it is you are doing.
I'll sit here and fume about the pots of p1ss above.

And add that the doctors training is paid for by all of us, how they can take that training then charge again I don't know. A fireman cannot move on and put out fires on a pay-per-hose scheme, similarly policemen, they can move into private detection, security but cannot arrest and hold people in cells, all the service which are paid for currently by NI and taxation need to remain in the public not private domain.

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Total greed! It’s just sick.

I hope you get sick soon and need the services of a doctor, might change your tune then you selfish Tory arrsehole.

Andy2010 wrote:

bradfordian wrote:
I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with

Why all the doom and gloom over the American health system. Say what you want about it but as long as your insurance is paid up they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. The NHS and the NI contributions arent everything they are cracked up to be. In fact if you do some research you will learn that Americans pay actually far far less in insurance than we do in NI and receive a far far superior service

"Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with"

That's because the vast majority of T & A readers are pretty dim !

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bradfordian wrote: I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with Why all the doom and gloom over the American health system. Say what you want about it but as long as your insurance is paid up they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. The NHS and the NI contributions arent everything they are cracked up to be. In fact if you do some research you will learn that Americans pay actually far far less in insurance than we do in NI and receive a far far superior service

"Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with" That's because the vast majority of T & A readers are pretty dim !

he says as he posts for umpteenth time this week

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bradfordian wrote:
I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with

Why all the doom and gloom over the American health system. Say what you want about it but as long as your insurance is paid up they have one of the best healthcare systems in the world. The NHS and the NI contributions arent everything they are cracked up to be. In fact if you do some research you will learn that Americans pay actually far far less in insurance than we do in NI and receive a far far superior service

"Your support as the poll would suggest on the home page is not widely agreed with"

That's because the vast majority of T & A readers are pretty dim !

Only the unemployed ones from Manningham.

It is a shame that things have come to this! I, and many other nurses would love to take such action to prove a point, but our main priority is the patients and we couldn't do that to them - those that could are clearly in the wrong profession! The words rock and hard place spring to mind!

Once again re the story above.

Without doubt it is a racist hate crime with violence and should carry a heavy sentence. Of course it won't be trialled as such due to very poor CPS strength.

Albion. wrote:

a reasonable sort of chap wrote:
GOOD LUCK TO ALL THOSE TAKING STRIKE ACTION. EVERYONE IN THE COUNTRY SHOULD GO ON STRIKE AND BRING DOWN THIS EVIL, VINDICTIVE SHAMBLES OF A GOVERNMENT.

GET OUT ON STRIKE ! ! !

Bravo to the doctors who stand by their duty and go in to work!

i cant wait till the civil service go on strike and a reasonable sort of chap is left without his job scroungers allowance..

Let us remind ourselves that the vast majority of GPs are independant contractors to the NHS whos average earnings are around £100,000 per year. They signed up to either the GMS or PMS contracts. Dear Drs, you get your money from public funds, you try and run a practice like a business, but it is not a true business, you are taking public money. On top of this you are holding the purse strings to £75billion of NHS resource. Now stop whining and suck it up, times is hard and we the patients deserve better than this.

bradfordian wrote:
I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

I thought this was about pensions, where does it mention privatisation?

BD16 wrote:

bradfordian wrote:
I support the Doctors who have gone on strike because people it won't be noticed whether they were on strike or not! You will notice though when this corrupt government start making you to see a GP and pay full price for your required medicine not the price of the prescription. When you have to pay twenty thousand pounds for an operation like in America an sometimes a lot more. Don't say you have not been warned. PRIVATISATION IS ON IT'S WAY. i RESPECT ANY ONE WHO GOES ON STRIKE FOR SEEING THINGS AS THEY REALLY ARE.

I thought this was about pensions, where does it mention privatisation?

It doesnt, its a lot of hot air and a straw man argument. The NHS reforms are leading to the GPs being the centre of the nhs and they hold £75billion to £80billion of the £100billion nhs funds. They are at the centre of a streamlining process that will strip several layers of management and costs of around £20billion. It is about their pensions, yep even Drs are finding times hard, but they are not the ones out of work in Bradford and they will retire before 67 on more pension than the rest of us could imagine. The Docs gotta share the pain we all have, the economy and the nation hasnt got the reserves. This is the Greek position all over and they do not have my support in this action.

The working man or woman need to look after themselves. (the Tories won't) Bravo to the doctors for protecting their interests.

There is a tremendous amount of manipulation of the information being fed to the media on this story, the BMA and GP's have been virtually excluded from national media coverage and have not had a chance to put their side of the story forward.

The NHS pension scheme did better than breaking even 5 years ago, it was then renegotiated and performed even better, generating a sizeable surplus (£40bn total paid in, £8bn EVER paid out), now the government wants to renegotiate AGAIN to make up for a deficit which is in no part the fault of NHS workers.

Personally I think we should arrange a private pension fund and withdraw from the government one - that would royally stuff up the coiffers.

I think you have to see this action in context, it is not just about pensions, although this is the straw that broke the camel's back, the government have interfered relentlessly for the last 7 or 8 years to deprofessionalise doctors by reforming the GMC, introducing revalidation, reducing working hours (and pay) changing training structure and changing roles.

As another poster above has said, we are on the edge of abandoning the NHS altogether, which would be a massive shame as it truly is one of the best services in the world, but should we all end up working privately, I can predict who will be the worse off....

bradford_dr wrote:
There is a tremendous amount of manipulation of the information being fed to the media on this story, the BMA and GP's have been virtually excluded from national media coverage and have not had a chance to put their side of the story forward.

The NHS pension scheme did better than breaking even 5 years ago, it was then renegotiated and performed even better, generating a sizeable surplus (£40bn total paid in, £8bn EVER paid out), now the government wants to renegotiate AGAIN to make up for a deficit which is in no part the fault of NHS workers.

Personally I think we should arrange a private pension fund and withdraw from the government one - that would royally stuff up the coiffers.

I think you have to see this action in context, it is not just about pensions, although this is the straw that broke the camel's back, the government have interfered relentlessly for the last 7 or 8 years to deprofessionalise doctors by reforming the GMC, introducing revalidation, reducing working hours (and pay) changing training structure and changing roles.

As another poster above has said, we are on the edge of abandoning the NHS altogether, which would be a massive shame as it truly is one of the best services in the world, but should we all end up working privately, I can predict who will be the worse off....

Rubbish, you wouldnt stand a minute in a true competitive enviroment and the NHS is your gravy train, look at how few private GPs in Bradford and West Yorkshire that have made a living over the last 40 years. You earn darned good money, have better pensions than the rest of us could vene imagine and now you whine about errosion of conditions, what make you immune to the economic impacts felt by the rest of us? Bite the bullet and share the pain with the patients and the community, or don't you have an oppontment slot until next Monday?

Really surprised to see ALL Bevan Healthcare GP's took part in this action, given their (supposed) ethos!!