Police step up patrols at crime-hit railway stations (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

I am sorry but the police ought to be out and about walking their beat as they used to do to prevent crimes and catch them at it not just doing paperwork after an incident has been reported by the public. Bring back our local bobbies walking round our neighborhoods, maybe then there would not be so many crimes. These criminals have nothing to fear because they have committed the crime and gone on their way by the time the police arrive -that is if they even bother.

All these CCTV cameras all over the place and then we get figures like this.
What on earth is going on?
Are the cameras just dummy ones, or not maintained and not working, or just that there are no police to watch and act instantly?

I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Mekon wrote:
I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote:
I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

So build more then: it ain't rocket science.

And before anyone says it costs the taxpayer too much in fact the opposite is true: it makes sound financial sense in the long run. The true cost to the public purse of giving recidivist criminals non-custodial sentences far, FAR outweigh the costs of banging them up and/or building new prisons. Makes you wonder why they don't then doesn't it?

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote:
I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

I think 'disloyalty to the Crown' and Mekon are both right: more beat policing and tougher sentencing/tightenin
g of the judiciary. No point in having one without the other.

And more prisons of course.

It is somewhat ironic that British Transport Police actually have a station situated within Shipley Railway Station.

British Transport Police are useless! They rely on West Yorks Police to attend their crime scenes, and it ends up in a delayed pass the parcel scenario for victim! Northern Rail actually employ some rather unsavoury security officers, who are only SIA badged, and have no more powers than the general public. British Transport Police should be totally disbanded and their funds should be shared to the other hard working forced in the country.

the design and relative remoteness of Shipley make it a prime place for criminals.

It's not even plesent waiting for a taxi at night, I've given my taxi up to load women more than once if it's just been the two of us waiting, no way would a conciously leave someone alone up there.

I'm ok, don't really get picked on, being 6'4 and 17 stone, although, if some scumbag want's to try... bring it on! :)

The simple fact about British
Transport Police is that there just are not enough of them to cover the whole of the West Yorkshire Area.
At times in the past, there have just been 3 officers to cover the whole of the West Yorkshire rail network. I hope numbers have increased recently.
They have to cover cable theft, tresspass, vandalism, stone throwing as well as the security at all the stations.
Civvy police can be brought in to cover 'off track side' incidents, but they cannot go 'on track side' unless they have had special safety training, or all the trains have been stopped.
As for CCTV, your guess is as good as mine.

Last week we had a story on how police would be cracking down on dog fouling and littering.
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Resources in the wrong areas it appears.

Patrick Bateman wrote:

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote:
I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

I think 'disloyalty to the Crown' and Mekon are both right: more beat policing and tougher sentencing/tightenin

g of the judiciary. No point in having one without the other.

And more prisons of course.

Its terrible in prison, they don't have sky sports 2

Patrick Bateman wrote:

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote: I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

So build more then: it ain't rocket science. And before anyone says it costs the taxpayer too much in fact the opposite is true: it makes sound financial sense in the long run. The true cost to the public purse of giving recidivist criminals non-custodial sentences far, FAR outweigh the costs of banging them up and/or building new prisons. Makes you wonder why they don't then doesn't it?

Surley a better option would be to connect the dots and tackle the causes of crime. It's estimated that 80% of crime is drug related. We are locking people up due to them having developed an addiction after being stupid enough to fall prey to the pushers who are capitalising from the vast profits available due to the governments insistence that prohibition is the only way to deal with what is a health issue. You only have to look at America during and after alcohol prohibition to see that crime levels dropped significantly. Yesterdays story about 8 people chasing every job available should be seen as a warning that more people will turn to dealing in order to make some extra money. It is time to take the drugs trade out of the hands of criminals, regulate the market and see drug use as a health issue, like smoking drinking, obesity ect.
No-one should be commiting crime to fund a drugs habit because the only thing giving the drugs a great financial value is their legal status
I'm sure you'll agree Patrick ;-)

freespeech wrote:
British Transport Police are useless! They rely on West Yorks Police to attend their crime scenes, and it ends up in a delayed pass the parcel scenario for victim! Northern Rail actually employ some rather unsavoury security officers, who are only SIA badged, and have no more powers than the general public. British Transport Police should be totally disbanded and their funds should be shared to the other hard working forced in the country.

That's not going to happen, British Transport Police are the only national police force.

RollandSmoke wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote: I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

So build more then: it ain't rocket science. And before anyone says it costs the taxpayer too much in fact the opposite is true: it makes sound financial sense in the long run. The true cost to the public purse of giving recidivist criminals non-custodial sentences far, FAR outweigh the costs of banging them up and/or building new prisons. Makes you wonder why they don't then doesn't it?

Surley a better option would be to connect the dots and tackle the causes of crime. It's estimated that 80% of crime is drug related. We are locking people up due to them having developed an addiction after being stupid enough to fall prey to the pushers who are capitalising from the vast profits available due to the governments insistence that prohibition is the only way to deal with what is a health issue. You only have to look at America during and after alcohol prohibition to see that crime levels dropped significantly. Yesterdays story about 8 people chasing every job available should be seen as a warning that more people will turn to dealing in order to make some extra money. It is time to take the drugs trade out of the hands of criminals, regulate the market and see drug use as a health issue, like smoking drinking, obesity ect.
No-one should be commiting crime to fund a drugs habit because the only thing giving the drugs a great financial value is their legal status
I'm sure you'll agree Patrick ;-)

Like thats going to happen

So British Transport Police do not consider such crimes as "trespass and stone throwing, along with metal theft" to be serious?

It wasn't that long ago that the Police were wasting yet more of their time and our money persecuting innocent cannabis users at Keighley railway station. They need to get their priorities right!

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
Last week we had a story on how police would be cracking down on dog fouling and littering.
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Resources in the wrong areas it appears.

They most certainly SHOULD be cracking down on such anti-social crimes as littering and dog-fouling, about time too!

BTP should be sorting this out, the last thing we want is for them to draw resources from West Yorkshire Police, there are few enough of them as it is.

RollandSmoke wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote: I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

So build more then: it ain't rocket science. And before anyone says it costs the taxpayer too much in fact the opposite is true: it makes sound financial sense in the long run. The true cost to the public purse of giving recidivist criminals non-custodial sentences far, FAR outweigh the costs of banging them up and/or building new prisons. Makes you wonder why they don't then doesn't it?

Surley a better option would be to connect the dots and tackle the causes of crime. It's estimated that 80% of crime is drug related. We are locking people up due to them having developed an addiction after being stupid enough to fall prey to the pushers who are capitalising from the vast profits available due to the governments insistence that prohibition is the only way to deal with what is a health issue. You only have to look at America during and after alcohol prohibition to see that crime levels dropped significantly. Yesterdays story about 8 people chasing every job available should be seen as a warning that more people will turn to dealing in order to make some extra money. It is time to take the drugs trade out of the hands of criminals, regulate the market and see drug use as a health issue, like smoking drinking, obesity ect.
No-one should be commiting crime to fund a drugs habit because the only thing giving the drugs a great financial value is their legal status
I'm sure you'll agree Patrick ;-)

The first duty of the state is to protect the public; not to pander to the dangerous whims of illegal, pro-decriminalisatio
n drug users such as you Rolly. Thankfully, your bizarre fantasies will forever remain utterly futile. Do yourself a favour: channel your evident rage about the 'injustice' of the status quo into something constructive. And grow up: your juvenile preoccupation with this hopeless cause I might expect from a clueless student with zero life-experience, not from one with at least a score or more on the clock.

Patrick Bateman wrote:

RollandSmoke wrote:

Patrick Bateman wrote:

Joedavid wrote:

Mekon wrote: I dont blame the police I blame the judges and government for allowing these criminals back onto the streets. Time and time again we hear about the hard work of the police in catching criminals only for the courts to give them a slap on the hand because they are of 'previous good nature'. Maybe if there was a tougher sentencing system it would make people think twice before commiting a crime.

Yes, but the prisons are full according to TV News this breakfast time.

So build more then: it ain't rocket science. And before anyone says it costs the taxpayer too much in fact the opposite is true: it makes sound financial sense in the long run. The true cost to the public purse of giving recidivist criminals non-custodial sentences far, FAR outweigh the costs of banging them up and/or building new prisons. Makes you wonder why they don't then doesn't it?

Surley a better option would be to connect the dots and tackle the causes of crime. It's estimated that 80% of crime is drug related. We are locking people up due to them having developed an addiction after being stupid enough to fall prey to the pushers who are capitalising from the vast profits available due to the governments insistence that prohibition is the only way to deal with what is a health issue. You only have to look at America during and after alcohol prohibition to see that crime levels dropped significantly. Yesterdays story about 8 people chasing every job available should be seen as a warning that more people will turn to dealing in order to make some extra money. It is time to take the drugs trade out of the hands of criminals, regulate the market and see drug use as a health issue, like smoking drinking, obesity ect. No-one should be commiting crime to fund a drugs habit because the only thing giving the drugs a great financial value is their legal status I'm sure you'll agree Patrick ;-)

The first duty of the state is to protect the public; not to pander to the dangerous whims of illegal, pro-decriminalisatio n drug users such as you Rolly. Thankfully, your bizarre fantasies will forever remain utterly futile. Do yourself a favour: channel your evident rage about the 'injustice' of the status quo into something constructive. And grow up: your juvenile preoccupation with this hopeless cause I might expect from a clueless student with zero life-experience, not from one with at least a score or more on the clock.

I realise that your job and the jobs of many others in the police force PLC (in no way is it a service anymore) rely on maintaining a situation where crime can thrive. The only people being protected by the status quo is yourselves. I note that you once again turn to insults rather than discussing the issue. Please explain in what way the current policy is working and how you see things improving after it's done nothing but get worse since prohibition began. Is it simply a case of drugs laws make it easier for you to harrass members of the public and invade their privicy on the grounds you suspect they may have mixed some less harmfull ingredients with the tobacco that is almost certainly doing them a great deal of harm?. But thats ok isn't it? you can smoke or drink yourself to death because that's taxed and it pays your wages. The real criminals and thugs wear a masonic checkerboard band round their hats.