Occupy Bradford protesters explain why they are camping in city square (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Occupy Bradford protesters explain why they are camping in city square
8:10am Thursday 3rd November 2011 in Bradford By Tanya O'Rourke
A young protester listens
On the eve of a court hearing which could see Bradford Council reclaim possession of a part of Centenary Square from the Occupy Bradford group, the Telegraph & Argus talked to the protesters about what motivated them to set up camp there.
A core of about 20 people are present at the Bradford protest – which is one of 900 across the world including those in Wall Street, New York, and at St Paul’s Cathedral in London.
The Bradford group, which set up its tents and marquee on Friday, has no leader. Meetings are held regularly where people can express their agreement or otherwise, with decisions through sign language.
Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said: “We’re not anti-capitalists. Some of us are, some of us aren’t. What we share is a feeling that economic and political institutions are being run by a small elite who control the wealth and the flow of wealth.
“This is causing problems for 99 per cent of people at the moment who are having services cut back, who are struggling to live on less and who are increasingly becoming angry because they feel their voices are not being heard.”
He said first and foremost the group wants to encourage conversation, between themselves and the authorities, and with people who want to share their stories.
- Read more on this story in today's T&A
Comments(76)
Avro
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8:44am Thu 3 Nov 11
How can you possibly take what looks like a feral rat seriously?
Siouxie
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8:59am Thu 3 Nov 11
Old Peculiar
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9:03am Thu 3 Nov 11
Reminds me of that sign outside the gents hairdressers in Allerton -
"Gerardo's Barbers - London, Paris, Allerton"
Thee Voice of Reason
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9:37am Thu 3 Nov 11
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This also made me laugh.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk
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The 'Occupy Bradford group' arrived on Friday and say they've been inspired by the Occupy London protest and the Arab Spring uprisings in the Middle East.
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The Arab Spring uprisings. These protesters don't realise how lucky they are to live in the free world, it is nothing like North Africa or the middle east here, ............. yet.
Thee Voice of Reason
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9:39am Thu 3 Nov 11
MontyLeMar
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9:54am Thu 3 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason
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10:08am Thu 3 Nov 11
MontyLeMar wrote:Some of us have jobs to do, to pay the council tax, income tax, etc to provide the funding for the services these people are in uproar about being cut back. Maybe if more did the same we wouldn't have to cut back as much.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
Danny Ward
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10:56am Thu 3 Nov 11
Siouxie wrote:The 'Scruffy kid' has passed checks by the board of education (a kind woman stopped by to check on the situation, with two police officers).
Why isnt the scruffy kid in the photo at school?
You call the child scruffy in a largely negative manner? I'm sure you wouldn't look entirely held together too if you where fighting for a cause.
Patrick Bateman
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10:57am Thu 3 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:Hah! Very good - and not entirely implausible either!
Meanwhile behind closed doors, Barra is preparing his speech outlining how the protest has had an adverse effect on the City Park, and has pushed the finishing date back, another 2 months.
Good luck to the protesters: I support what they are trying to achieve.
Danny Ward
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10:59am Thu 3 Nov 11
Avro wrote:Firstly, your claim that they are literally unwashed is one based on prejudice and not fact. Second, there wouldn't be an expense on the councils part if freedom of expression was permitted. Put to better use? Like bribes, or?
I don't see the great unwashed complaining about the amount of public money that it costs to move these sorts on, which could be put to better use!
How can you possibly take what looks like a feral rat seriously?
Danny Ward
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11:03am Thu 3 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:A free world? I'm not quite sure that you understand what has happened to the economy lately, but most of your money has been used without your permission for the gain of another corrupt human being. You call that freedom? Living in a world where a small amount of people control your life?
20 Protesters, isn't that about the same number who actually stay overnight in London?
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This also made me laugh.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk
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The 'Occupy Bradford group' arrived on Friday and say they've been inspired by the Occupy London protest and the Arab Spring uprisings in the Middle East.
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The Arab Spring uprisings. These protesters don't realise how lucky they are to live in the free world, it is nothing like North Africa or the middle east here, ............. yet.
Danny Ward
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11:06am Thu 3 Nov 11
If you aren't already aware, this is not an isolated incident. You are becoming the minority here, who would rather sit around and do nothing while arrogant men run around spending your hard earned income.
picknick
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11:17am Thu 3 Nov 11
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Thee Voice of Reason
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11:19am Thu 3 Nov 11
Danny Ward wrote:It's not exactly your money they are spending if you do sod all to chip into the welfare state?
There's a few people here who are willing to bend over to the corrupt politicians and bankers just because it's the easier thing to do. If you're okay with being robbed then by all means, go ahead. But taking snipes at the people trying to make a difference for people like YOU? Shame on you. Sitting behind a computer moping around. If you aren't already aware, this is not an isolated incident. You are becoming the minority here, who would rather sit around and do nothing while arrogant men run around spending your hard earned income.
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They obviously don't have jobs as they can spend all day sat around outside city hall. So therefore they aren't paying into the system attacking those who's tax money is probably supporting their way of life.
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I go to work buy the things my family want and need and ask no more. I don't rely on handouts and I don't believe everyone had the right to earn the same, if you want something you better yourself not moan about it.
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Instead of moaning about what other have, improve your life to get what you want rather than expect someone to just give it to you.
Thee Voice of Reason
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11:29am Thu 3 Nov 11
Danny Ward wrote:Go live in the Middle East or various other countries around the world and you'll realise the freedom you have here.
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: 20 Protesters, isn't that about the same number who actually stay overnight in London? . This also made me laugh. . http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-155 41939 . The 'Occupy Bradford group' arrived on Friday and say they've been inspired by the Occupy London protest and the Arab Spring uprisings in the Middle East. . The Arab Spring uprisings. These protesters don't realise how lucky they are to live in the free world, it is nothing like North Africa or the middle east here, ............. yet.A free world? I'm not quite sure that you understand what has happened to the economy lately, but most of your money has been used without your permission for the gain of another corrupt human being. You call that freedom? Living in a world where a small amount of people control your life?
webess
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11:34am Thu 3 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason
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11:38am Thu 3 Nov 11
webess wrote:The farmer has to work to stay alive, these protesters know their giros will cover their costs so they need not bother.
Looked at from the perspective of a subsistence farmer in Africa the protesters are themselves part of an elite of rich people who lord it over them....
Albion.
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11:43am Thu 3 Nov 11
Clowny
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12:25pm Thu 3 Nov 11
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
RollandSmoke
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12:35pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Albion.
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12:46pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RollandSmoke wrote:And some of the more idle ones could do with a boot up theirs!
Why is about the people of Bradford that whenever an issue is raised they would rather discuss their petty narrow minded predudices than the issue itself. We have 33% unemployment in Bradford, is it really just a case of everyone being lazy and prefering to live in poverty or could it be that the jobs and oppertunities are not there. Let me guess, after they've fed and clothed themselves and paid out any bills with their JSA they should use whatevers left to start up their own businesses. I think some of the posters on here need to get real and remove their craniums from their sphinkters.
RICHARD I
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1:13pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Quite radical I know, but why not form a political party?
That way you can actually put forward a manifesto, in simple words of course, so us uneducated workers, who pay our money into the pot, could make a decision on your policies.
Or is it you don't actually have any policies? and are only protesting against a democratically elected government because you can see the idle, money for nothing life style you have chosen to adopt coming to an end.
Clowny
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1:36pm Thu 3 Nov 11
theoutsider
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1:47pm Thu 3 Nov 11
dearymeee
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2:18pm Thu 3 Nov 11
hley cannot do anything better than pop a kid out ASAP. That is now a way of life for an awful lot of people. Mugs (decent working people) like me will foot the bill.
We also have people travelling illegally to this country with the sole intention of claiming benefits. This is particularly apparent in areas like Bradford where immigration law solicitors stand on every street corner.
Stop giving money to these wasters! It's like feeding stray cats.
greencarpet
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2:48pm Thu 3 Nov 11
it would be nice if we could have a civilised discussion of the issues without resorting to assumptions about the group as a whole or individuals who have been singled out for daft and ill-founded criticisms (above).
moralcompass
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4:08pm Thu 3 Nov 11
wobbley-bob
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4:36pm Thu 3 Nov 11
greencarpet wrote:So, are they all on paid holiday leave from their places of employment?
it's striking how so many comments on this story and earlier ones assume all the protestors are 1. unemployed and 2. not seeking work. I can tell you with certainty that neither assumption is true.
it would be nice if we could have a civilised discussion of the issues without resorting to assumptions about the group as a whole or individuals who have been singled out for daft and ill-founded criticisms (above).
Or, are they all student types on a gap year?
Or, have they all got some other means of supporting themselves?
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Or, as most people believe, they are just workshy layabouts, with nowt better to do, and you're one of them?
RICHARD I
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4:47pm Thu 3 Nov 11
What do you/they want to happen?
What policy changes do they want?
It appears to me, and I guess to many others. You and the protesters just use "soundbites".
Injustice - what injustice? explain and give an alternative!
Corporate markets/capitalism - explain and give an alternative!
You claim to have a business that reaches both nationally and internationally. If you employ people in that business. do you reward your hardest workers with higher earnings? or do they all get paid the same minimum wage?
RollandSmoke
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5:21pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Avro
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5:40pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Danny Ward wrote:Or you need to get out more!
Avro wrote: I don't see the great unwashed complaining about the amount of public money that it costs to move these sorts on, which could be put to better use! How can you possibly take what looks like a feral rat seriously?Firstly, your claim that they are literally unwashed is one based on prejudice and not fact. Second, there wouldn't be an expense on the councils part if freedom of expression was permitted. Put to better use? Like bribes, or?
RollandSmoke
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5:47pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RICHARD I wrote:Come on surely you know that the people who do the hardest graft and go home on a night stinking of sweat ARE the ones on minimum wage. Or do you have a different definition of hard work?
Come on then "moralcompass", give us some substance! What do you/they want to happen? What policy changes do they want? It appears to me, and I guess to many others. You and the protesters just use "soundbites". Injustice - what injustice? explain and give an alternative! Corporate markets/capitalism - explain and give an alternative! You claim to have a business that reaches both nationally and internationally. If you employ people in that business. do you reward your hardest workers with higher earnings? or do they all get paid the same minimum wage?
moralcompass
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5:57pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RICHARD I wrote:Substance: The idea is that by peaceful means attention is drawn to the fact that the voiceless get to be heard. A dialogue from those who (even on this thread) are treated like 5th class citizens just because they fit into a different lifestyle than yours.
Come on then "moralcompass", give us some substance!
What do you/they want to happen?
What policy changes do they want?
It appears to me, and I guess to many others. You and the protesters just use "soundbites".
Injustice - what injustice? explain and give an alternative!
Corporate markets/capitalism - explain and give an alternative!
You claim to have a business that reaches both nationally and internationally. If you employ people in that business. do you reward your hardest workers with higher earnings? or do they all get paid the same minimum wage?
Injustice: A young mother steals a loaf to feed her baby and is prosecuted. A banker steals millions and is...er... nothing happens> Injustice?
I don't employ anybody yet. I would pay as the role and function demands.
Clowny
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6:00pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RollandSmoke wrote:It's called multitasking, another useful skill.
It's amazing how many hard working people find the time to comment on stories in the middle of the day. What sort of job gives you all that spare time? A days WORK would kill them.
moralcompass
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6:05pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RollandSmoke
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6:05pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Clowny wrote:Really in my day it was called skiving. Is the taxpayer in any way involved in paying your wages to do this most productive of multitasking?
RollandSmoke wrote: It's amazing how many hard working people find the time to comment on stories in the middle of the day. What sort of job gives you all that spare time? A days WORK would kill them.It's called multitasking, another useful skill.
moralcompass
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6:09pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RollandSmoke wrote:RollandSmoke.... Im a CEO and Ive got time to go on forums. what do you do for a job?
Clowny wrote:Really in my day it was called skiving. Is the taxpayer in any way involved in paying your wages to do this most productive of multitasking?
RollandSmoke wrote: It's amazing how many hard working people find the time to comment on stories in the middle of the day. What sort of job gives you all that spare time? A days WORK would kill them.It's called multitasking, another useful skill.
moralcompass
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6:16pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Clowny wrote:Im assuming you don't have a degree? Thought not. if you did you would know that a degree denotes a level of understanding, application and specialism tested under certain conditions. This, regardless of the word that is associated ie, Theology, earns another, say 8k on top of those who only criticise those who have degrees.
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
RollandSmoke
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6:18pm Thu 3 Nov 11
moralcompass wrote:I'm currently a 5th class citizen although it wasn't always so. I'm out of work on health grounds which I have no intention of discussing on here but the predudice thrown in my face is the same.
RollandSmoke wrote:RollandSmoke.... Im a CEO and Ive got time to go on forums. what do you do for a job?Clowny wrote:Really in my day it was called skiving. Is the taxpayer in any way involved in paying your wages to do this most productive of multitasking?RollandSmoke wrote: It's amazing how many hard working people find the time to comment on stories in the middle of the day. What sort of job gives you all that spare time? A days WORK would kill them.It's called multitasking, another useful skill.
moralcompass
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6:20pm Thu 3 Nov 11
>>>The HARD WORKERS are so content being that way that they don't stop banging on about it.
>>>The layabouts are spending time doing something worthy for a change.
>>>Apparently it's ok for our leaders to charge us for corporate crime.
>>> "As long as you pay taxes, you are ok by me"
.... lets all carry on and let the leaders do what they want.
adios
Aunty Capitalist
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6:37pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Patrick Bateman
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6:40pm Thu 3 Nov 11
moralcompass wrote:That seems to some up quite a few poster's positions nicely (apart from the 'layabouts doing something worthwhile' bit).
RIGHT... Im done here> summary -
>>>The HARD WORKERS are so content being that way that they don't stop banging on about it.
>>>The layabouts are spending time doing something worthy for a change.
>>>Apparent
ly it's ok for our leaders to charge us for corporate crime.
>>> "As long as you pay taxes, you are ok by me"
.... lets all carry on and let the leaders do what they want.
adios
Bizarre.
dearymeee
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7:27pm Thu 3 Nov 11
moralcompass wrote:Perhaps 20 years ago. Now I think you'll find that many graduates miss out on valuable work experience and end up looking for jobs unrelated to their degree + £20k of debt.
Clowny wrote:Im assuming you don't have a degree? Thought not. if you did you would know that a degree denotes a level of understanding, application and specialism tested under certain conditions. This, regardless of the word that is associated ie, Theology, earns another, say 8k on top of those who only criticise those who have degrees.
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
I'd have thought a big shot CEO of a one man company would have recognised that.
Clowny
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8:07pm Thu 3 Nov 11
RollandSmoke wrote:All you have ever done is skive and avoid work, so granted you are somewhat of an expert. I'm purely private sector baby, to get where I am took a lot of hard work, now I have time for some multitasking that includes a little forum time.
Clowny wrote:Really in my day it was called skiving. Is the taxpayer in any way involved in paying your wages to do this most productive of multitasking?
RollandSmoke wrote: It's amazing how many hard working people find the time to comment on stories in the middle of the day. What sort of job gives you all that spare time? A days WORK would kill them.It's called multitasking, another useful skill.
Clowny
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8:14pm Thu 3 Nov 11
moralcompass wrote:You assume way too much. I'm afraid a Law or IT degree is infinitely more valuable than Theology, poor Andrew, studying Theology when there is no God.
Clowny wrote:Im assuming you don't have a degree? Thought not. if you did you would know that a degree denotes a level of understanding, application and specialism tested under certain conditions. This, regardless of the word that is associated ie, Theology, earns another, say 8k on top of those who only criticise those who have degrees.
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
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If his degree had been of practical use he wouldn't be camping on Centenary Square at the age of 26.
TirNaNog
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9:51pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Danny Ward wrote:Danny - you must be new here. The 'usual suspects' have been 'sitting behind a computer moping around' for years on here.
There's a few people here who are willing to bend over to the corrupt politicians and bankers just because it's the easier thing to do. If you're okay with being robbed then by all means, go ahead. But taking snipes at the people trying to make a difference for people like YOU? Shame on you. Sitting behind a computer moping around.
If you aren't already aware, this is not an isolated incident. You are becoming the minority here, who would rather sit around and do nothing while arrogant men run around spending your hard earned income.
If you really want to see them get their panties in a bunch then mention the Odeon or something Asian then stand well back and watch the show. It's hilarious! ;-)
Aunty Capitalist
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10:21pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Siouxie wrote:What a despicable comment. He's obviously already a much better person than you'll ever be!
Why isnt the scruffy kid in the photo at school?
Aunty Capitalist
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10:22pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Clowny wrote:There is no God? What staggering arrogance!
moralcompass wrote:You assume way too much. I'm afraid a Law or IT degree is infinitely more valuable than Theology, poor Andrew, studying Theology when there is no God.
Clowny wrote:Im assuming you don't have a degree? Thought not. if you did you would know that a degree denotes a level of understanding, application and specialism tested under certain conditions. This, regardless of the word that is associated ie, Theology, earns another, say 8k on top of those who only criticise those who have degrees.
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
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If his degree had been of practical use he wouldn't be camping on Centenary Square at the age of 26.
Aunty Capitalist
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10:25pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:You might not have "jobs to do" for very much longer, thanks to Cameron & Co.
MontyLeMar wrote:Some of us have jobs to do, to pay the council tax, income tax, etc to provide the funding for the services these people are in uproar about being cut back. Maybe if more did the same we wouldn't have to cut back as much.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
And it would seem that you do not begrudge your precious taxes being diverted into the coffers of privately owned companies, rather than services for Joe Public (ie. yourself).
See you in the dole queue soon, moron....
Aunty Capitalist
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10:27pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Clowny wrote:I hope your "hard work" pays off sometime in the future, though I doubt it. You will work until you drop and die penniless, like all the rest.
RollandSmoke wrote:All you have ever done is skive and avoid work, so granted you are somewhat of an expert. I'm purely private sector baby, to get where I am took a lot of hard work, now I have time for some multitasking that includes a little forum time.
Clowny wrote:Really in my day it was called skiving. Is the taxpayer in any way involved in paying your wages to do this most productive of multitasking?
RollandSmoke wrote: It's amazing how many hard working people find the time to comment on stories in the middle of the day. What sort of job gives you all that spare time? A days WORK would kill them.It's called multitasking, another useful skill.
Aunty Capitalist
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10:28pm Thu 3 Nov 11
webess wrote:Sophism is alive and well....
Looked at from the perspective of a subsistence farmer in Africa the protesters are themselves part of an elite of rich people who lord it over them....
Clowny
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10:38pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Aunty Capitalist wrote:There is no God!
Clowny wrote:There is no God? What staggering arrogance!
moralcompass wrote:You assume way too much. I'm afraid a Law or IT degree is infinitely more valuable than Theology, poor Andrew, studying Theology when there is no God.
Clowny wrote:Im assuming you don't have a degree? Thought not. if you did you would know that a degree denotes a level of understanding, application and specialism tested under certain conditions. This, regardless of the word that is associated ie, Theology, earns another, say 8k on top of those who only criticise those who have degrees.
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
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If his degree had been of practical use he wouldn't be camping on Centenary Square at the age of 26.
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What staggering arrogance of you to force your beliefs of invisible characters in the sky on others. Religion is an emotional crutch, in fact in many cases it verges on a mental illness.
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Pat Condell sums up religion well and does a far better job than any theology degree could do.
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"If I'm not allowed to express my sincerely held belief that your religion is a crock of dangerous evil, dehumanizing, superstitious garbage, then it seems to me that I don't have religious freedom but you do.
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Because I can assure you that I hold that view with a passion and a solemn intensity that can match anything that you've got to offer.
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It is, for me, a core defining belief and a pillar of my whole reality: an absolutely unshakeable, fundamental conviction that resonates to every fiber of my being that religion is, in fact, a crock of dangerous, evil, dehumanizing, superstitious garbage that pollutes and degrades the world I have to live in and I'm not happy about it.
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And I feel morally obliged . . . nay, compelled, to make this known loudly and often, regardless of who claims to be offended, because not to do so would violate everything I am and everything I believe in. I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I'd feel like a liar and a coward and, well, something of a moral cockroach. And that would weigh very heavily on my conscience."
Thee Voice of Reason
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10:42pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Aunty Capitalist wrote:The only think I begrudge my taxes being spent on is wasters like you.
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:You might not have "jobs to do" for very much longer, thanks to Cameron & Co.
MontyLeMar wrote:Some of us have jobs to do, to pay the council tax, income tax, etc to provide the funding for the services these people are in uproar about being cut back. Maybe if more did the same we wouldn't have to cut back as much.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
And it would seem that you do not begrudge your precious taxes being diverted into the coffers of privately owned companies, rather than services for Joe Public (ie. yourself).
See you in the dole queue soon, moron....
Aunty Capitalist
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11:22pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:Today "wasters" like me, tomorrow "wasters" like you. When the time comes (and it soon will) for you to make use of our State Benefits (dole, housing benefit, meals on wheels, etc.) it'll be too late, there won't be a State, and any money you've managed to save will be worthless.
Aunty Capitalist wrote:The only think I begrudge my taxes being spent on is wasters like you.
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:You might not have "jobs to do" for very much longer, thanks to Cameron & Co.
MontyLeMar wrote:Some of us have jobs to do, to pay the council tax, income tax, etc to provide the funding for the services these people are in uproar about being cut back. Maybe if more did the same we wouldn't have to cut back as much.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
And it would seem that you do not begrudge your precious taxes being diverted into the coffers of privately owned companies, rather than services for Joe Public (ie. yourself).
See you in the dole queue soon, moron....
Aunty Capitalist
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11:25pm Thu 3 Nov 11
Clowny wrote:I wasn't forcing my beliefs on to anyone. I was merely drawing attention to your outrageous arrogance in daring to *assume* that there is no God.
Aunty Capitalist wrote:There is no God!
Clowny wrote:There is no God? What staggering arrogance!
moralcompass wrote:You assume way too much. I'm afraid a Law or IT degree is infinitely more valuable than Theology, poor Andrew, studying Theology when there is no God.
Clowny wrote:Im assuming you don't have a degree? Thought not. if you did you would know that a degree denotes a level of understanding, application and specialism tested under certain conditions. This, regardless of the word that is associated ie, Theology, earns another, say 8k on top of those who only criticise those who have degrees.
MontyLeMar wrote:Ironic this very comment was written by someone hiding behind some poxy pseudonym.
A pleasure to see that there are still people around Bradford who are willing to protest openly and not hide behind some poxy pseudonym used on a poxy web site.
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“Andrew Wild, 26, who has a degree in theology, said…” At that point I think most of us would have subconsciously switched off and immediately thought what a loser. Nice to know he’s wasted 3 years of his life getting a degree with no practical worth in the jobs market whatsoever, no wonder the guy is bitter.
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If his degree had been of practical use he wouldn't be camping on Centenary Square at the age of 26.
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What staggering arrogance of you to force your beliefs of invisible characters in the sky on others. Religion is an emotional crutch, in fact in many cases it verges on a mental illness.
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Pat Condell sums up religion well and does a far better job than any theology degree could do.
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"If I'm not allowed to express my sincerely held belief that your religion is a crock of dangerous evil, dehumanizing, superstitious garbage, then it seems to me that I don't have religious freedom but you do.
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Because I can assure you that I hold that view with a passion and a solemn intensity that can match anything that you've got to offer.
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It is, for me, a core defining belief and a pillar of my whole reality: an absolutely unshakeable, fundamental conviction that resonates to every fiber of my being that religion is, in fact, a crock of dangerous, evil, dehumanizing, superstitious garbage that pollutes and degrades the world I have to live in and I'm not happy about it.
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And I feel morally obliged . . . nay, compelled, to make this known loudly and often, regardless of who claims to be offended, because not to do so would violate everything I am and everything I believe in. I wouldn't be able to live with myself. I'd feel like a liar and a coward and, well, something of a moral cockroach. And that would weigh very heavily on my conscience."
As for Pat Condell, least said the better, a vile human being.
99%
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12:34am Fri 4 Nov 11
ra-ra
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12:46am Fri 4 Nov 11
mrs walker
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2:36am Fri 4 Nov 11
ra-ra wrote:And that's a reason to do nothing? Because 'these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they'
Send in the water cannons that will shift them all i am getting a tad fed up with all this now, first London now Bradford do these people not understand that these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they.
Tell you what, do nowt, and nowt will change. Good on the 'great unwashed' for making the effort that you can't be bothered to make.
Albion.
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6:35am Fri 4 Nov 11
mrs walker wrote:And next week they will be loitering somewhere else causing a nuisance.
ra-ra wrote:And that's a reason to do nothing? Because 'these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they'
Send in the water cannons that will shift them all i am getting a tad fed up with all this now, first London now Bradford do these people not understand that these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they.
Tell you what, do nowt, and nowt will change. Good on the 'great unwashed' for making the effort that you can't be bothered to make.
Mike Strutter
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6:46am Fri 4 Nov 11
We've all been had
dearymeee
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7:16am Fri 4 Nov 11
Arrogance to assert that there is no god?! I'm sorry, but for how many years has the Church (any of them) forced a mythical being on the population. There are millions of brainwashed oafs around the world wasting their life on this tosh. Their one and only life!
If you believe that the universe was created in 7 days, 5000 years ago then you are not even worth arguing with.
Clowny
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10:56am Fri 4 Nov 11
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You need little more proof at the idiocy of following religion than look at the world's fastest growing religion which is Scientology, it was made up by a science fiction writer as a money making excercise, full credit to L. Ron Hubbard he knew how easily people accept religion and will part with their money or dedicate their lives.
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Religion is a fantastic means of brainwashing the mentally weak and controlling the masses.
Clowny
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11:04am Fri 4 Nov 11
mrs walker wrote:Mrs Walker, I'll give this comment some credit if you'll act, getting your washing up gloves and remove the spray paint one of these unwashed sprayed on an empty business unit on Tyrrel Street that's trying to be let. Maybe you can explain what positive change that has made?
ra-ra wrote:And that's a reason to do nothing? Because 'these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they'
Send in the water cannons that will shift them all i am getting a tad fed up with all this now, first London now Bradford do these people not understand that these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they.
Tell you what, do nowt, and nowt will change. Good on the 'great unwashed' for making the effort that you can't be bothered to make.
Danny Ward
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4:36pm Fri 4 Nov 11
Avro wrote:That has got to be the worst comeback I've seen in a long time. Clearly I've made my point here.
Danny Ward wrote:Or you need to get out more!
Avro wrote: I don't see the great unwashed complaining about the amount of public money that it costs to move these sorts on, which could be put to better use! How can you possibly take what looks like a feral rat seriously?Firstly, your claim that they are literally unwashed is one based on prejudice and not fact. Second, there wouldn't be an expense on the councils part if freedom of expression was permitted. Put to better use? Like bribes, or?
Danny Ward
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4:44pm Fri 4 Nov 11
Thee Voice of Reason wrote:Don't patronize me. I know very well how fortunate I am to be born in this country as opposed to another. The situation in other countries are far worse. But I would never go as far as saying that we live in a comparatively free world.
Danny Ward wrote:Go live in the Middle East or various other countries around the world and you'll realise the freedom you have here.
Thee Voice of Reason wrote: 20 Protesters, isn't that about the same number who actually stay overnight in London? . This also made me laugh. . http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-155 41939 . The 'Occupy Bradford group' arrived on Friday and say they've been inspired by the Occupy London protest and the Arab Spring uprisings in the Middle East. . The Arab Spring uprisings. These protesters don't realise how lucky they are to live in the free world, it is nothing like North Africa or the middle east here, ............. yet.A free world? I'm not quite sure that you understand what has happened to the economy lately, but most of your money has been used without your permission for the gain of another corrupt human being. You call that freedom? Living in a world where a small amount of people control your life?
I aid my point with the quote:
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." (Johann Wolfgang von Goethe)
Aunty Capitalist
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6:45pm Fri 4 Nov 11
Clowny wrote:Should have burned the empty unit to the ground instead.
mrs walker wrote:Mrs Walker, I'll give this comment some credit if you'll act, getting your washing up gloves and remove the spray paint one of these unwashed sprayed on an empty business unit on Tyrrel Street that's trying to be let. Maybe you can explain what positive change that has made?
ra-ra wrote:And that's a reason to do nothing? Because 'these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they'
Send in the water cannons that will shift them all i am getting a tad fed up with all this now, first London now Bradford do these people not understand that these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they.
Tell you what, do nowt, and nowt will change. Good on the 'great unwashed' for making the effort that you can't be bothered to make.
Aunty Capitalist
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6:49pm Fri 4 Nov 11
Andy2010
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8:26pm Fri 4 Nov 11
Aunty Capitalist wrote:You have mistaken minority for majority
It's a good job the small-minded reactionary bigots who comment on here only represent a tiny minority of Bradford people. *shakes head in disbelief* You are a thoroughly disgusting bunch.
ra-ra
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10:08pm Fri 4 Nov 11
I still stand by what i said send in the water cannons.
Aunty Capitalist
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10:42pm Fri 4 Nov 11
Aunty Capitalist wrote:.....I meant to say for what use it is, as no one is going to risk opening a business in this economic depression!
Clowny wrote:Should have burned the empty unit to the ground instead.
mrs walker wrote:Mrs Walker, I'll give this comment some credit if you'll act, getting your washing up gloves and remove the spray paint one of these unwashed sprayed on an empty business unit on Tyrrel Street that's trying to be let. Maybe you can explain what positive change that has made?
ra-ra wrote:And that's a reason to do nothing? Because 'these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they'
Send in the water cannons that will shift them all i am getting a tad fed up with all this now, first London now Bradford do these people not understand that these protests will come to nothing the gov is not going to take any notice of the great unwashed are they.
Tell you what, do nowt, and nowt will change. Good on the 'great unwashed' for making the effort that you can't be bothered to make.
Cameron & Co. are killing Capitalism themselves. The more people lose their jobs and/or cutback on spending due to poverty, get their State Benefits withdrawn or lowered, then retail dies a death.
Aunty Capitalist
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10:49pm Fri 4 Nov 11
ra-ra wrote:The Water Cannons? Is that a double-act?
Oh do shut up Aunty Capitalist, you do not call us "thoroughly disgusting bunch" when you go cashing your giro think on its the small minded bigots who pay their taxes so the likes of you can sit in a tent spouting rubbish all day long, "i do shake my head in disbelief" when i see how much tax and vat i pay every year. we all have the right to our opinion.
I still stand by what i said send in the water cannons.
Thank you for your opinion. And, yes, we all know you pay your taxes, well done, what do you want a medal? It is good that you do (pay), that's how socialism works...if the taxes are spent on the people, on providing public services, etc, that's well and good, but it's not, we are all being made to suffer to protect the rich, so don't blame it on people claiming Benefits, that's just what the government wants you to think, with the help of the media they created a convenient distraction/scapegoa
t, it's the oldest trick in the book; divide and rule. Don't fall for it. Wake up before it's too late.
Andy2010
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5:57am Sat 5 Nov 11
Aunty Capitalist wrote:Some people read far too many theory books and internet conspiracy sites...divide and rule lol....all very well in a dictatorship but not in this country no you fool. There is no divide.....theres just the workshy moaners and those who want to make something more of their lives and get on with it.
ra-ra wrote:The Water Cannons? Is that a double-act?
Oh do shut up Aunty Capitalist, you do not call us "thoroughly disgusting bunch" when you go cashing your giro think on its the small minded bigots who pay their taxes so the likes of you can sit in a tent spouting rubbish all day long, "i do shake my head in disbelief" when i see how much tax and vat i pay every year. we all have the right to our opinion.
I still stand by what i said send in the water cannons.
Thank you for your opinion. And, yes, we all know you pay your taxes, well done, what do you want a medal? It is good that you do (pay), that's how socialism works...if the taxes are spent on the people, on providing public services, etc, that's well and good, but it's not, we are all being made to suffer to protect the rich, so don't blame it on people claiming Benefits, that's just what the government wants you to think, with the help of the media they created a convenient distraction/scapegoa
t, it's the oldest trick in the book; divide and rule. Don't fall for it. Wake up before it's too late.
Now as the protestors have been moved on hopefully this useless camping trip is over and the people who actually pay for the open space outside the town hall i.e. the taxpayer can have that space back.
Just move along the workshy hippies and accept things the way they are. Either that or if you want to actually make a change then start your own policitial ethical party or whatever you want to call it and see how many people support you then.
RikG01
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2:10pm Sat 5 Nov 11
TirNaNog wrote:Don't forget the Travellers. You mention those guys and frothy, foamy mouthed rage spills violently forth in a tide of baseless accusations and blind prejudice.
Danny Ward wrote:Danny - you must be new here. The 'usual suspects' have been 'sitting behind a computer moping around' for years on here.
There's a few people here who are willing to bend over to the corrupt politicians and bankers just because it's the easier thing to do. If you're okay with being robbed then by all means, go ahead. But taking snipes at the people trying to make a difference for people like YOU? Shame on you. Sitting behind a computer moping around.
If you aren't already aware, this is not an isolated incident. You are becoming the minority here, who would rather sit around and do nothing while arrogant men run around spending your hard earned income.
If you really want to see them get their panties in a bunch then mention the Odeon or something Asian then stand well back and watch the show. It's hilarious! ;-)
Everyone who disagrees with them is an out of work and benefit scrounger and unwashed. It's disgusting but hilarious to watch.
Small-minded doesn't begin to describe it.
RikG01
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2:17pm Sat 5 Nov 11
Andy2010 wrote:You just proved the poster's point by dividing the coutry into two groups, fool.
Aunty Capitalist wrote:Some people read far too many theory books and internet conspiracy sites...divide and rule lol....all very well in a dictatorship but not in this country no you fool. There is no divide.....theres just the workshy moaners and those who want to make something more of their lives and get on with it.
ra-ra wrote:The Water Cannons? Is that a double-act?
Oh do shut up Aunty Capitalist, you do not call us "thoroughly disgusting bunch" when you go cashing your giro think on its the small minded bigots who pay their taxes so the likes of you can sit in a tent spouting rubbish all day long, "i do shake my head in disbelief" when i see how much tax and vat i pay every year. we all have the right to our opinion.
I still stand by what i said send in the water cannons.
Thank you for your opinion. And, yes, we all know you pay your taxes, well done, what do you want a medal? It is good that you do (pay), that's how socialism works...if the taxes are spent on the people, on providing public services, etc, that's well and good, but it's not, we are all being made to suffer to protect the rich, so don't blame it on people claiming Benefits, that's just what the government wants you to think, with the help of the media they created a convenient distraction/scapegoa
t, it's the oldest trick in the book; divide and rule. Don't fall for it. Wake up before it's too late.
Now as the protestors have been moved on hopefully this useless camping trip is over and the people who actually pay for the open space outside the town hall i.e. the taxpayer can have that space back.
Just move along the workshy hippies and accept things the way they are. Either that or if you want to actually make a change then start your own policitial ethical party or whatever you want to call it and see how many people support you then.
Life is not as simple as "people who work/ scroungers". To suggest that's the case is idiotic, short-sighted, foolish, ignorant and half-witted and entirely, shamefully sheepish.
E.goldstein
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3:14pm Sat 5 Nov 11
I wonder what "the taxpayer" will do with this space now?
webess says...
8:25am Thu 3 Nov 11