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Bradford is set to elect its first mayor on May 3, 2012, documents slipped out by the Government have revealed.
If all goes according to plan, voters will pick an executive figurehead for the city with powers similar to London’s Boris Johnson.
That could include control over transport, housing, regeneration and planning.
The Conservatives were committed in their manifesto to holding a speedy “referendum day” on the issue in Bradford and England’s other 11 major cities but after the election they appeared to withdraw from that pledge explaining they would have to take account of the costs involved.
But in the Department for Communities and Local Government’s draft structural reform plan, quietly released while MPs left Westminster for the summer recess, the timetable for electing mayors is set at May, 2012.
But that is “subject to confirmatory referendums and full scrutiny by elected councillors” it adds and officials refused to say when that would happen.
They come as Local Government Secretary Eric Pickles – the former leader of Bradford Council – announced proposals to allow the public to veto large council tax rises.
He revealed council tax bills across England had doubled since 1997, pushing the average bill for a band D home to £120 a month.
Coalition ministers have pledged to work with councils to freeze council tax next year but Mr Pickles said he wants to prevent bills soaring down the line by giving local people the final say.
That means an end to the central government system of council tax capping. Instead any increases planned above a set ceiling – expected to be the rate of inflation – would trigger an automatic referendum of electors.
Residents would be asked to choose between the proposed rise and a “shadow budget”, which the council must also prepare within the defined limit. A no vote would leave councils having to refund taxpayers or give a credit at the end of the tax year.
Mr Pickles said: “If councils want to increase council tax further, they will have to prove the case to the electorate. Let the people decide.”
Comments(49)
albion
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6:31am Fri 30 Jul 10
puddin
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8:19am Fri 30 Jul 10
bcfc1903
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9:37am Fri 30 Jul 10
anawaz
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11:46am Fri 30 Jul 10
Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:42pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Alex_Ross
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1:15pm Fri 30 Jul 10
albion
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1:19pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Alex_Ross wrote:Have to agree with you on that one young Rossie (thats a first).
Have elected Mayors worked anywhere but London? I think they suit London fine but I'm not sure other cities require an elected Mayor - London is unique due to it's size and structure.
Bradford has been let down the last nine years due to the Council (it had generous funding from the Labour government that it wasted), but it can still be tempered by the other parties and so on.
Put one person in charge for four years who is terrible and we could end up like Doncaster where they're being constantly audited and on the verge of being taken over by the government to stop it collapsing completely into ruin.
albion
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1:22pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:"I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups?"
I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups?
Democracy and the rules thereof DEMAND that each person or group have the same rights.
Unlike the T&A who seem to only want to give voice to certain sections of society and then only if they agree with them or would incur the wrath of every PC group and do-gooder which has brought this once fine country to it's knees.
anawaz
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1:26pm Fri 30 Jul 10
albion wrote:If by all groups you want to include the racists and those who incite terror; then I hope not
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups? Democracy and the rules thereof DEMAND that each person or group have the same rights. Unlike the T&A who seem to only want to give voice to certain sections of society and then only if they agree with them or would incur the wrath of every PC group and do-gooder which has brought this once fine country to it's knees."I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups?" Very doubtful!
albion
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1:32pm Fri 30 Jul 10
anawaz wrote:That puts you out then.
albion wrote:If by all groups you want to include the racists and those who incite terror; then I hope not
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote: I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups? Democracy and the rules thereof DEMAND that each person or group have the same rights. Unlike the T&A who seem to only want to give voice to certain sections of society and then only if they agree with them or would incur the wrath of every PC group and do-gooder which has brought this once fine country to it's knees."I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups?" Very doubtful!
anawaz
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1:37pm Fri 30 Jul 10
albion wrote:It wasnt me who made the remark last week... cast your mind back to the article around the Muslim peace works...
anawaz wrote:That puts you out then.albion wrote:If by all groups you want to include the racists and those who incite terror; then I hope notPrisoner Cell Block A wrote: I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups? Democracy and the rules thereof DEMAND that each person or group have the same rights. Unlike the T&A who seem to only want to give voice to certain sections of society and then only if they agree with them or would incur the wrath of every PC group and do-gooder which has brought this once fine country to it's knees."I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups?" Very doubtful!
albion
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2:19pm Fri 30 Jul 10
anawaz wrote:Oh whatever you refer to, if it was me it is whats expected from me (I dont deny things unless they are untrue).
albion wrote:It wasnt me who made the remark last week... cast your mind back to the article around the Muslim peace works...
anawaz wrote:That puts you out then.albion wrote:If by all groups you want to include the racists and those who incite terror; then I hope notPrisoner Cell Block A wrote: I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups? Democracy and the rules thereof DEMAND that each person or group have the same rights. Unlike the T&A who seem to only want to give voice to certain sections of society and then only if they agree with them or would incur the wrath of every PC group and do-gooder which has brought this once fine country to it's knees."I wonder if the new democratically elected mayor will be for the 'freedom of speech' and 'right to demonstrate peacefully' for ALL and not just selected groups?" Very doubtful!
enough said
Prisoner Cell Block A
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2:43pm Fri 30 Jul 10
anawaz
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3:01pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Prisoner Cell Block A wrote:I agree with you if all it includes is a speech and a peaceful demo... but as it has been shown in dispaches this has never been the case for the EDL (I assume you are talking about)
Aki? If so then I think we both agree by ALL we mean ALL. You surely stand for the right to free speech and to demonstarte PEACEFULLY. Nobody can condone the actions, thought process or gathering of either of the type of group you mentioned but by the same token they do have the same rights as right-minded folk who would like to also have a voice and by that they have the right to speak out on their beliefs and not be attacked for it. It is speech and peaceful demo, it isn't bomb-making terrorists or molotov throwing thugs I am speaking of. It was the way the whole debate went last week, which basically was closed down because people cannot discuss without discrimination.
AidyF
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3:54pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Prisoner Cell Block A
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4:05pm Fri 30 Jul 10
albion
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5:01pm Fri 30 Jul 10
AidyF wrote:"And was he not related to Phil Davies MP? Nuff said there"
Can the T&A please allow comments on one EDL article? All that's happening is stories like this with potentially huge implications for Bradford are getting swamped by all this irrelevant chatter.
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Either allow comment on all articles or don't allow comment at all, while some of the views put forward may be rather unpleasant, you can't just sweep them under the rug. This no comment rule on EDL articles is simply wrong.
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In London, the big parties back a candidate but those candidates aren't the life and blood of the parties, Boris Johnson is a known critic of many Tory policies right now. Doncaster elected an avowed English Democrat, it was never going to work with such a tribal chap. And was he not related to Phil Davies MP? Nuff said there.
Hopefully in Bradford you don't just see each party nominate a councillor to represent them, it'd be nice if we had a number of strong independent candidates. I think there's a lot to be said on transport, housing, regeneration and planning so if we do elect a mayor, can we please have candidates with Bradford in mind rather than their parties?
AidyF
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6:06pm Fri 30 Jul 10
albion wrote:Nope, he's Phil Davies' father.
AidyF wrote:"And was he not related to Phil Davies MP? Nuff said there"
Can the T&A please allow comments on one EDL article? All that's happening is stories like this with potentially huge implications for Bradford are getting swamped by all this irrelevant chatter.
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Either allow comment on all articles or don't allow comment at all, while some of the views put forward may be rather unpleasant, you can't just sweep them under the rug. This no comment rule on EDL articles is simply wrong.
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In London, the big parties back a candidate but those candidates aren't the life and blood of the parties, Boris Johnson is a known critic of many Tory policies right now. Doncaster elected an avowed English Democrat, it was never going to work with such a tribal chap. And was he not related to Phil Davies MP? Nuff said there.
Hopefully in Bradford you don't just see each party nominate a councillor to represent them, it'd be nice if we had a number of strong independent candidates. I think there's a lot to be said on transport, housing, regeneration and planning so if we do elect a mayor, can we please have candidates with Bradford in mind rather than their parties?
Shouldnt that be David?
albion
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6:17pm Fri 30 Jul 10
AidyF wrote:You are right, I mixed them up there, apologies.
albion wrote:Nope, he's Phil Davies' father.
AidyF wrote:"And was he not related to Phil Davies MP? Nuff said there"
Can the T&A please allow comments on one EDL article? All that's happening is stories like this with potentially huge implications for Bradford are getting swamped by all this irrelevant chatter.
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Either allow comment on all articles or don't allow comment at all, while some of the views put forward may be rather unpleasant, you can't just sweep them under the rug. This no comment rule on EDL articles is simply wrong.
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In London, the big parties back a candidate but those candidates aren't the life and blood of the parties, Boris Johnson is a known critic of many Tory policies right now. Doncaster elected an avowed English Democrat, it was never going to work with such a tribal chap. And was he not related to Phil Davies MP? Nuff said there.
Hopefully in Bradford you don't just see each party nominate a councillor to represent them, it'd be nice if we had a number of strong independent candidates. I think there's a lot to be said on transport, housing, regeneration and planning so if we do elect a mayor, can we please have candidates with Bradford in mind rather than their parties?
Shouldnt that be David?
Up with the partridge
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7:15pm Fri 30 Jul 10
anawaz wrote:That's the trouble. You allow the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker to have any authority and you get the Westfield saga. You need professionals running organisations and big cities - not rank amateurs
Another gimik by the cons Surely we have elected representation; they are called councillers.. Having 2 captains at the helm never works
Colin Allcars
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7:36pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Foolroy
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7:49pm Fri 30 Jul 10
bcfc1903 wrote:I concur. Excellent choice.
I like the idea of an elected mayor,maybe with one person in charge Bradford could actually get some of the proposed schemes built instead of the usual we can't do attitude that has prevailed in this city's council chambers for far too long.
John Pennington would be a good choice for the first Bradford elected mayor.
bcfc1903
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8:40pm Fri 30 Jul 10
anawaz wrote:You wouldn't have two captains steering the good ship Bradford,just the Mayor,as for the councillors,most are a waste of space who don't give two hoots about the City of Bradford,much better to have one mayor in charge that does.
Another gimik by the cons Surely we have elected representation; they are called councillers.. Having 2 captains at the helm never works
Collos
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9:59pm Fri 30 Jul 10
albion
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10:44pm Fri 30 Jul 10
Collos wrote:Once those that the EDL claim to oppose gain power anywhere thats how things are.
Lets ban the EDL and lets ban the NF and then lets ban anybody who disa grees with the government and then lets get rid of Jews sound familiar.
Because the moment you stop a free press( agree Bradford hasn't got one)and the ability to have free speech then you end up throwing democracy down the drain.
bcfc1903
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12:33am Sat 31 Jul 10
Collos wrote:Normally i'd agree that whats good for the Muslim extremists who turn up at the returning home troops marches should be good for the EDL who want to demonstrate in Bradford,in fact banning such a march is just as un British as banning the burka,but as a proud Bradfordian,the last thing this city needs is more disorder and the terrible national headlines that go with it,so on this occasion the EDL demo should be banned.
Lets ban the EDL and lets ban the NF and then lets ban anybody who disa grees with the government and then lets get rid of Jews sound familiar. Because the moment you stop a free press( agree Bradford hasn't got one)and the ability to have free speech then you end up throwing democracy down the drain.
Up with the partridge
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6:26pm Sat 31 Jul 10
Foolroy wrote:Pennington? What does he know about running a city? He's an ex DJ isn't he? Why not get Jimmy Saville if that's the criterion?
bcfc1903 wrote: I like the idea of an elected mayor,maybe with one person in charge Bradford could actually get some of the proposed schemes built instead of the usual we can't do attitude that has prevailed in this city's council chambers for far too long. John Pennington would be a good choice for the first Bradford elected mayor.I concur. Excellent choice.
steveinbradford
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7:46pm Sat 31 Jul 10
steveinbradford
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7:51pm Sat 31 Jul 10
Up with the partridge wrote:Now John would be quite good, he has very good feelings for Bradford, but I have to admit i feel that as a buisness man his track record is fast turnaround to make a profit, therefore showing that he is only out to make either money, or improve his image - we need a genuine Bradfordian, one who was born in the city, to make a difference. No foreigners faking it or there to boost their CV's - something we've not seen for a while.
Foolroy wrote:Pennington? What does he know about running a city? He's an ex DJ isn't he? Why not get Jimmy Saville if that's the criterion?
bcfc1903 wrote: I like the idea of an elected mayor,maybe with one person in charge Bradford could actually get some of the proposed schemes built instead of the usual we can't do attitude that has prevailed in this city's council chambers for far too long. John Pennington would be a good choice for the first Bradford elected mayor.I concur. Excellent choice.
bcfc1903
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11:56am Sun 1 Aug 10
Up with the partridge wrote:It wasn,t the criterion lol,John Pennington has some fine ideas for Bradford but spinning records isn't one of them.
Foolroy wrote:Pennington? What does he know about running a city? He's an ex DJ isn't he? Why not get Jimmy Saville if that's the criterion?bcfc1903 wrote: I like the idea of an elected mayor,maybe with one person in charge Bradford could actually get some of the proposed schemes built instead of the usual we can't do attitude that has prevailed in this city's council chambers for far too long. John Pennington would be a good choice for the first Bradford elected mayor.I concur. Excellent choice.
bcfc1903
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12:06pm Sun 1 Aug 10
steveinbradford wrote:i've no idea where Mr Pennington was born but his superb renovaton of the Midland Hotel in Bradford along with the Tramshed in Saltaire looks great on his cv.Making money makes the world go round,if he's been successful in that regard ,all the better.John Pennington has got some great ideas on how to move the City of Bradford forward and if he stands in two years time he,ll be getting my vote.
Up with the partridge wrote:Now John would be quite good, he has very good feelings for Bradford, but I have to admit i feel that as a buisness man his track record is fast turnaround to make a profit, therefore showing that he is only out to make either money, or improve his image - we need a genuine Bradfordian, one who was born in the city, to make a difference. No foreigners faking it or there to boost their CV's - something we've not seen for a while.Foolroy wrote:Pennington? What does he know about running a city? He's an ex DJ isn't he? Why not get Jimmy Saville if that's the criterion?bcfc1903 wrote: I like the idea of an elected mayor,maybe with one person in charge Bradford could actually get some of the proposed schemes built instead of the usual we can't do attitude that has prevailed in this city's council chambers for far too long. John Pennington would be a good choice for the first Bradford elected mayor.I concur. Excellent choice.
Up with the partridge
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4:48pm Sun 1 Aug 10
bcfc1903 wrote:Why not vote for that guy that owns that massive garden centre at Tong if making money is the criterion used.
steveinbradford wrote:i've no idea where Mr Pennington was born but his superb renovaton of the Midland Hotel in Bradford along with the Tramshed in Saltaire looks great on his cv.Making money makes the world go round,if he's been successful in that regard ,all the better.John Pennington has got some great ideas on how to move the City of Bradford forward and if he stands in two years time he,ll be getting my vote.Up with the partridge wrote:Now John would be quite good, he has very good feelings for Bradford, but I have to admit i feel that as a buisness man his track record is fast turnaround to make a profit, therefore showing that he is only out to make either money, or improve his image - we need a genuine Bradfordian, one who was born in the city, to make a difference. No foreigners faking it or there to boost their CV's - something we've not seen for a while.Foolroy wrote:Pennington? What does he know about running a city? He's an ex DJ isn't he? Why not get Jimmy Saville if that's the criterion?bcfc1903 wrote: I like the idea of an elected mayor,maybe with one person in charge Bradford could actually get some of the proposed schemes built instead of the usual we can't do attitude that has prevailed in this city's council chambers for far too long. John Pennington would be a good choice for the first Bradford elected mayor.I concur. Excellent choice.
bcfc1903
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5:34pm Sun 1 Aug 10
albion
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5:56pm Sun 1 Aug 10
bcfc1903 wrote:No! it isnt yet official that there will even be an election.
Is he standing ?
bcfc1903
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6:04pm Sun 1 Aug 10
albion wrote:I'm sure it will happen,i believe it's official Conservative goverment policy ....
bcfc1903 wrote: Is he standing ?No! it isnt yet official that there will even be an election.
Colin Allcars
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8:05pm Sun 1 Aug 10
Up with the partridge
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11:20pm Sun 1 Aug 10
bcfc1903
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8:07am Mon 2 Aug 10
Colin Allcars wrote:Rubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradford
albion
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11:02am Mon 2 Aug 10
bcfc1903 wrote:That would only become evident after a term in office, the best PERSON isnt always the best candidate.
Colin Allcars wrote:Rubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradford
bcfc1903
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1:38pm Mon 2 Aug 10
albion wrote:That just sounds bizarre...
bcfc1903 wrote:That would only become evident after a term in office, the best PERSON isnt always the best candidate.Colin Allcars wrote: Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradfordRubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
albion
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2:19pm Mon 2 Aug 10
bcfc1903 wrote:Well some people come across as presentable or genial whereas the dull little quiet person might well be the more able, good examples are to be found in some of the American presidential elections.
albion wrote:That just sounds bizarre...
bcfc1903 wrote:That would only become evident after a term in office, the best PERSON isnt always the best candidate.Colin Allcars wrote: Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradfordRubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
bcfc1903
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5:03pm Mon 2 Aug 10
Colin Allcars
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8:46pm Mon 2 Aug 10
bcfc1903 wrote:Sorry, are you saying that Little Horton is 'asian'. Tell the residents around Canterbury Avenue, they didn't know they were all asian!
Colin Allcars wrote: Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradfordRubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
mrs walker
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10:51pm Mon 2 Aug 10
bcfc1903 wrote:"The best MAN for the job would win regardless of the pigment of HIS skin"???
Colin Allcars wrote:Rubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradford
albion
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6:27am Tue 3 Aug 10
mrs walker wrote:Which is exactly why I emphasised the word "PERSON" in my reply.
bcfc1903 wrote:"The best MAN for the job would win regardless of the pigment of HIS skin"???
Colin Allcars wrote:Rubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradford
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We appear to be ignoring the mayoral potential of more than half the population with that statement... :-/
bcfc1903
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8:05am Tue 3 Aug 10
mrs walker wrote:When making that comment i had John Pennington in mind !!!
bcfc1903 wrote:"The best MAN for the job would win regardless of the pigment of HIS skin"??? . We appear to be ignoring the mayoral potential of more than half the population with that statement... :-/Colin Allcars wrote: Even if Pennington was the best candidate, any muslim candidate standing would win simply due to the sectarian voting that is common practise in parts of bradfordRubbish,the leader of Bradford council..councillor Greenwood represents little Horton.Why bring race into it,i'm sure the best man for the job would win regardless of the pigment of his skin.
Billcliff
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4:22pm Wed 4 Aug 10
bcfc1903
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8:31pm Thu 5 Aug 10
Billcliff wrote:Totally agree Billcliff,well said !!!!
How sad or bigoted must some people be that despite any facts to the contrary they still pour forth their racist comments. None of our Bradford MP`s are Muslim. Despite the fact that Muslims have stood in wards with a large Muslim population they have not allowed religion to bias their votes. The leader of our council representing a largely Muslim ward is recognised by all parts of the community as doing a good job isn`t a Muslim. Most people in Badford thankfully have a balanced view and would welcome an elected Mayor and would vote for the canditate rather than a religion
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albion says...
6:31am Fri 30 Jul 10