Consultation starts into proposals to increase places in district’s primaries

Bradford Council's bigger schools plan as pupil numbers surge

Eldwick Primary School, one of the schools where increases are planned

Councillor Ralph Berry

First published in Bradford Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Photograph of the Author by , T&A Reporter

Plans have been published to increase the size of some primary schools across the district to cope with a predicted surge in pupil numbers, particularly in the Aire Valley.

A public consultation process has started about where to create an extra 1,210 school places over the next nine years.

Bradford Council yesterday named nine primary schools in areas of fast-growing populations where school rolls could grow.

Among the biggest planned increases is at Eldwick Primary School, near Bingley, which could see the school expand from 391 pupils up to 630 pupils over seven years from 2013/14.

Idle CE Primary School is proposed to expand by a further 220 places, or alternatively, Parkland Primary School, Thorpe Edge, could expand by an extra 114 places to cater for demand.

Other schools in the Aire Valley which are proposed to grow are Cullingworth Primary or Denholme Primary; Merlin Top Primary School or Victoria Primary School, Keighley; Haworth Primary School or Lees Primary School, Keighley; St Anthony’s Catholic Primary School, Shipley, and Aire View Infants School, Silsden, or Steeton Primary School.

The Bradford schools included in the consultation document are Shibden Head Primary School in Queensbury, which has been earmarked to increase capacity by 211 places, and St Clare’s Catholic Primary School, Fagley.

Views are also being sought on plans to change the admission priority areas for Eldwick Primary and the admission policies for Hill Top CE Primary School, Low Moor; Myrtle Park Primary School, Bingley, and St Joseph’s Catholic Primary School, Keighley.

The Council’s document warns that the district’s rising child population means that extra reception class places will be needed in the foreseeable future.

It states: “Over the past three years we have consulted on increasing intake numbers at a number of primary schools to meet the demand for places.

“It still appears, however, that numbers are continuing to rise and there will be a shortfall of places in some areas of the district.

“We are therefore consulting on enlarging a number of primary schools to enable us to implement further proposed increases in planned admission numbers.”

Councillor Ralph Berry, the Council’s executive member for children’s services, said: “We want as many people as possible to respond to this consultation so they can help shape the future of our schools.

“These proposals will allow expansion work to start on some of our schools which will provide much-needed places for the increasing numbers of children in the district.”

Councillor Jeanette Sunderland, leader of the Council’s Liberal Democrat group, questioned whether more should be done to increase places by building new schools in inner city Bradford.

“Clearly we have got to have enough spaces for school children, but what they really need to do is look at starting to build in the inner city, that’s where the demand is and what they are doing is increasing pressure just outside the area,” she said.

“We have two schools in my ward that have seen a massive increase in the number of children, but not a substantial increase in the number of facilities – there’s two schools that don’t have access to playing fields.

“So it’s not about trying to pour more children into already full schools. The Council has got to bite the bullet and start talking about building more schools.”

In response, Coun Berry said the Council was looking at other ways of increasing school places, even if it meant challenging Government policies.

He said: “The Government is trying to say local authorities can’t open new schools and we have to have academies. The issue for us is that we need schools in places where the children are – that’s not always the cheapest option.

“We have been deprived of resources to build schools where we need them.”

Councillor Roger L’Amie, the Council’s Conservative group education spokesman, was not available for comment last night.

The consultation ends on Friday, December 21.

Capital costs for building work would be provided by the authority from the Basic Needs capital allocations received from the Department or Education.

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9:09am Tue 27 Nov 12

allannicho says...

Cut child Benefit after two children now!
Cut child Benefit after two children now! allannicho
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9:11am Tue 27 Nov 12

Thee Voice of Reason says...

Is this problem about new school being required all their own making as they build on every piece of green land we have. A little act first and hope the infrastructure will look after itself afterwards?
Is this problem about new school being required all their own making as they build on every piece of green land we have. A little act first and hope the infrastructure will look after itself afterwards? Thee Voice of Reason
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10:20am Tue 27 Nov 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

Has this anything to do with Mass Immigration. Vote ukip .
Has this anything to do with Mass Immigration. Vote ukip . ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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10:27am Tue 27 Nov 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

All foreigners get free NHS treatment bussines men, tourists, illegal immigrants its in the papers today. Please think about these people when asked to work over.
All foreigners get free NHS treatment bussines men, tourists, illegal immigrants its in the papers today. Please think about these people when asked to work over. ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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10:29am Tue 27 Nov 12

Iftikhar says...

A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
IA
A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA Iftikhar
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11:02am Tue 27 Nov 12

loftyme says...

what a load of bullsh-t, you are in Great Britain mate, like or f$%^K off
what a load of bullsh-t, you are in Great Britain mate, like or f$%^K off loftyme
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11:12am Tue 27 Nov 12

Cooperlane2 says...

Future school places will have been planned based on traditional demographics, though i guess there weren't plans for unlimited immigration of young people from eastern europe. Projections showed approx 70,000 might enter the UK for work per annum, whereas more like 700,000 did.
Then there's the current surge from Mirpur to beat the imposition of the £18000pa salary needed to support an immigrant partner.
We are where we are, though how do you double school places when traditionally primaries are small and local...maybe we need some model for a standard school design that is cheap to built, well insulated, easy to maintain and upgrade. Plenty of brownfield sites, though we still need fields for sports.
Future school places will have been planned based on traditional demographics, though i guess there weren't plans for unlimited immigration of young people from eastern europe. Projections showed approx 70,000 might enter the UK for work per annum, whereas more like 700,000 did. Then there's the current surge from Mirpur to beat the imposition of the £18000pa salary needed to support an immigrant partner. We are where we are, though how do you double school places when traditionally primaries are small and local...maybe we need some model for a standard school design that is cheap to built, well insulated, easy to maintain and upgrade. Plenty of brownfield sites, though we still need fields for sports. Cooperlane2
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11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12

loftyme says...

Haha

"Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith."
Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$
Haha "Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith." Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$ loftyme
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11:47am Tue 27 Nov 12

Iftikhar says...

loftyme says...
11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12

Haha

"Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith."
Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$”

They are the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. They are notoriously monolingual Brits. Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls.
loftyme says... 11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12 Haha "Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith." Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$” They are the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. They are notoriously monolingual Brits. Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls. Iftikhar
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11:57am Tue 27 Nov 12

Albion. says...

Iftikhar wrote:
loftyme says...
11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12

Haha

"Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith."
Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$”

They are the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. They are notoriously monolingual Brits. Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls.
The alternative is to go elsewhere, people here (despite the best efforts of some deluded do-gooders) will not accept people such as you creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist agenda which you obviously support.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: loftyme says... 11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12 Haha "Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith." Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$” They are the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. They are notoriously monolingual Brits. Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls.[/p][/quote]The alternative is to go elsewhere, people here (despite the best efforts of some deluded do-gooders) will not accept people such as you creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist agenda which you obviously support. Albion.
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12:28pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Bone_idle18 says...

Iftikhar wrote:
loftyme says...
11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12

Haha

"Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith."
Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$”

They are the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. They are notoriously monolingual Brits. Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls.
Why then, is drug addiction growing faster in muslim pakistan than anywhere else in the world?

where as, it's generally dropping in most western countries?
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: loftyme says... 11:15am Tue 27 Nov 12 Haha "Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith." Dont make me laugh, go to the pubs in cottingley mate see your Muslim brothers supping pints, see there cars in the car park every week, been going for years some of them, selling drugs, your Muslim brothers do nothing but sell drugs, visit the night clubs what do you see, Muslim brothers supping, trying to kop a white girl, yeah Islamic values my ars$” They are the product of British schooling with non-Muslim monolingual teachers.They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are unable to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. They are notoriously monolingual Brits. Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls.[/p][/quote]Why then, is drug addiction growing faster in muslim pakistan than anywhere else in the world? where as, it's generally dropping in most western countries? Bone_idle18
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12:28pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loftyme says...

Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls.

Yes, just like their Muslim brothers in Rochdale.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-179
89463

Read this
Like Brits, they are involved in binge drinking, drug addiction and sexual grooming of underage nativ girls. Yes, just like their Muslim brothers in Rochdale. http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-179 89463 Read this loftyme
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12:30pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Silsdenman says...

Iftikhar wrote:
A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
IA
Scary stuff.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA[/p][/quote]Scary stuff. Silsdenman
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1:20pm Tue 27 Nov 12

RollandSmoke says...

Religion has no place in Education. Indoctrination maybe be Education no.
Religion has no place in Education. Indoctrination maybe be Education no. RollandSmoke
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1:25pm Tue 27 Nov 12

loftyme says...

Scary Stuff, more like Islamic twaddle
Scary Stuff, more like Islamic twaddle loftyme
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1:50pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Outraged English Subject says...

No not scary at all, He is quite right. “Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools” that’s totally correct, however the Muslin schools should be in a Muslim Country! Iftikhar, you have a null argument. From your point of view I understand that you are sure you are right, history of this wonderful nation shows clearly that immigrates come and go over many years, Muslins are no difference.
No not scary at all, He is quite right. “Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools” that’s totally correct, however the Muslin schools should be in a Muslim Country! Iftikhar, you have a null argument. From your point of view I understand that you are sure you are right, history of this wonderful nation shows clearly that immigrates come and go over many years, Muslins are no difference. Outraged English Subject
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1:50pm Tue 27 Nov 12

ANY WHERE BUT HERE says...

Iftikhar wrote:
A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
IA
Iftihkar
A civillisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Great words, the work that must be done in Muslim country's is immense, the daily attacks on Christians,women,gay
s,whites,Sunni,Shiit
e muslims,tall people ,short people,people kissing. I believe you have a calling, and right now there calling your name out at Manchester airport for flight wtf to Pakistan.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA[/p][/quote]Iftihkar A civillisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Great words, the work that must be done in Muslim country's is immense, the daily attacks on Christians,women,gay s,whites,Sunni,Shiit e muslims,tall people ,short people,people kissing. I believe you have a calling, and right now there calling your name out at Manchester airport for flight wtf to Pakistan. ANY WHERE BUT HERE
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2:21pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Yorkshire Lass says...

Iftikhar wrote:
A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
IA
Nothing new here then, just the usual weekly rant.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA[/p][/quote]Nothing new here then, just the usual weekly rant. Yorkshire Lass
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2:24pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

Silsdenman wrote:
Iftikhar wrote: A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA
Scary stuff.
Scary Stuff indeed Silsdenman !! but the Islamic horse has bolted and no one dare bring it back into the stable, "allannicho" has it right in the first post above, after two children "Child Benefit" should not paid for any further children,which Ian Duncan Smith has suggested might happen in the future it will be interesting to see if they have the ball's to do it !!.
[quote][p][bold]Silsdenman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA[/p][/quote]Scary stuff.[/p][/quote]Scary Stuff indeed Silsdenman !! but the Islamic horse has bolted and no one dare bring it back into the stable, "allannicho" has it right in the first post above, after two children "Child Benefit" should not paid for any further children,which Ian Duncan Smith has suggested might happen in the future it will be interesting to see if they have the ball's to do it !!. nowt fresh
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2:31pm Tue 27 Nov 12

RuggerTyke says...

It worked in Pietmaritzburg, it can work here ?.
It worked in Pietmaritzburg, it can work here ?. RuggerTyke
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2:34pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thingybob68 says...

nothing like dropping in the word "muslim" to get the indigenous into a frenzy, its funny and predictable at the same time.
nothing like dropping in the word "muslim" to get the indigenous into a frenzy, its funny and predictable at the same time. thingybob68
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2:38pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

thingybob68 wrote:
nothing like dropping in the word "muslim" to get the indigenous into a frenzy, its funny and predictable at the same time.
The first poster to mention "Muslim" was Iftikhar so whats your point ?.
[quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: nothing like dropping in the word "muslim" to get the indigenous into a frenzy, its funny and predictable at the same time.[/p][/quote]The first poster to mention "Muslim" was Iftikhar so whats your point ?. nowt fresh
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2:42pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Outraged English Subject says...

He's not got one, hence his comment.
He's not got one, hence his comment. Outraged English Subject
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2:47pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thingybob68 says...

nowt fresh wrote:
thingybob68 wrote:
nothing like dropping in the word "muslim" to get the indigenous into a frenzy, its funny and predictable at the same time.
The first poster to mention "Muslim" was Iftikhar so whats your point ?.
Yes, and he's a pratt, this guy has been copying and pasting the same c rap on any and every story to do with education. seriously, word for word, for ages.

But watching the reaction to "muslim" is most amusing, no other groups evokes the same reaction, not even pikies or lawyers. lol
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thingybob68[/bold] wrote: nothing like dropping in the word "muslim" to get the indigenous into a frenzy, its funny and predictable at the same time.[/p][/quote]The first poster to mention "Muslim" was Iftikhar so whats your point ?.[/p][/quote]Yes, and he's a pratt, this guy has been copying and pasting the same c rap on any and every story to do with education. seriously, word for word, for ages. But watching the reaction to "muslim" is most amusing, no other groups evokes the same reaction, not even pikies or lawyers. lol thingybob68
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3:34pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Outraged English Subject says...

Strange, out of all the words in his post you centre on one “muslim” which you say you find amusing and makes you “laugh out loud” Surely you can substitute the word Muslim for any other religious group with the same result. Any group creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist/ religious views which these kinds of people clearly believe in.
Strange, out of all the words in his post you centre on one “muslim” which you say you find amusing and makes you “laugh out loud” Surely you can substitute the word Muslim for any other religious group with the same result. Any group creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist/ religious views which these kinds of people clearly believe in. Outraged English Subject
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3:41pm Tue 27 Nov 12

BertSanders says...

Iftikhar has a cheek - I wonder what would happen to me if I went on about Christianity in similar fashion in Pakistan. Perhaps he would tell me.
Brits are easy going and I regret very very stupid - particularly out leaders
.A famous deceased Politician springs to mind - he assessed it very acurately.
Iftikhar has a cheek - I wonder what would happen to me if I went on about Christianity in similar fashion in Pakistan. Perhaps he would tell me. Brits are easy going and I regret very very stupid - particularly out leaders .A famous deceased Politician springs to mind - he assessed it very acurately. BertSanders
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4:18pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Silsdenman says...

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Strange, out of all the words in his post you centre on one “muslim” which you say you find amusing and makes you “laugh out loud” Surely you can substitute the word Muslim for any other religious group with the same result. Any group creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist/ religious views which these kinds of people clearly believe in.
You could but nobody has done and Iftiwotsit is stirring things up again with his racist rantings.
[quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: Strange, out of all the words in his post you centre on one “muslim” which you say you find amusing and makes you “laugh out loud” Surely you can substitute the word Muslim for any other religious group with the same result. Any group creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist/ religious views which these kinds of people clearly believe in.[/p][/quote]You could but nobody has done and Iftiwotsit is stirring things up again with his racist rantings. Silsdenman
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4:19pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Silsdenman says...

Outraged English Subject wrote:
Strange, out of all the words in his post you centre on one “muslim” which you say you find amusing and makes you “laugh out loud” Surely you can substitute the word Muslim for any other religious group with the same result. Any group creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist/ religious views which these kinds of people clearly believe in.
You could but nobody has done and Iftiwotsit is stirring things up again with his racist rantings.
[quote][p][bold]Outraged English Subject[/bold] wrote: Strange, out of all the words in his post you centre on one “muslim” which you say you find amusing and makes you “laugh out loud” Surely you can substitute the word Muslim for any other religious group with the same result. Any group creating separatist existences to try and strengthen the fundamentalist/ religious views which these kinds of people clearly believe in.[/p][/quote]You could but nobody has done and Iftiwotsit is stirring things up again with his racist rantings. Silsdenman
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4:45pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Another Landless Peasant says...

surge in pupil numbers = get some condoms
surge in pupil numbers = get some condoms Another Landless Peasant
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4:47pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Another Landless Peasant says...

Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". "

That's probably because England is both European and Christian!
Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". " That's probably because England is both European and Christian! Another Landless Peasant
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4:50pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Reality50 says...

This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-. Reality50
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4:51pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Reality50 says...

This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-. Reality50
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5:32pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thingybob68 says...

none of the schools listed are in muslim areas, eldwick is set to double, i dont think eldwick is majority muslim.

more to do with lack of planning and action by the joke that is bradford council.

School places, or lack of was raised as an issue for the last two decades, so was the lack of standards - no change in either.
none of the schools listed are in muslim areas, eldwick is set to double, i dont think eldwick is majority muslim. more to do with lack of planning and action by the joke that is bradford council. School places, or lack of was raised as an issue for the last two decades, so was the lack of standards - no change in either. thingybob68
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5:36pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Bingleyite says...

As far as I'm concerned education should be completely secular in terms of what is provided by the state. I have no problems with their being Catholic, CofE, Muslim, Sikh or any school but they should NOT be funded out of tax payers money.

There is a huge problem of over-subscription to schools in Bingley. The problem is everything to do with mass-building of new housing estates and nothing to do with skin colour/race/creed.
As far as I'm concerned education should be completely secular in terms of what is provided by the state. I have no problems with their being Catholic, CofE, Muslim, Sikh or any school but they should NOT be funded out of tax payers money. There is a huge problem of over-subscription to schools in Bingley. The problem is everything to do with mass-building of new housing estates and nothing to do with skin colour/race/creed. Bingleyite
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5:42pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thatsnotmyname says...

Reality50 wrote:
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety. thatsnotmyname
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6:07pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
The comment below is taken from this link :http://www.observat
ory.bradford.nhs.uk/
Documents/2_1_Popula
tion.pdf,

"The areas of the district with the largest proportions of children include the wards of Great Horton, Keighley Central, Bowling and Barkerend, Heaton, Manningham, Toller, Little Horton and Bradford Moor. According to the latest ward level data from the Office for National Statistics, over 25% of the population of these wards is under 16 years of age. Nearly one third of the population in the wards of Toller, Little Horton and Bradford Moor is under 16 years of age" now theres a clue.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.[/p][/quote]The comment below is taken from this link :http://www.observat ory.bradford.nhs.uk/ Documents/2_1_Popula tion.pdf, "The areas of the district with the largest proportions of children include the wards of Great Horton, Keighley Central, Bowling and Barkerend, Heaton, Manningham, Toller, Little Horton and Bradford Moor. According to the latest ward level data from the Office for National Statistics, over 25% of the population of these wards is under 16 years of age. Nearly one third of the population in the wards of Toller, Little Horton and Bradford Moor is under 16 years of age" now theres a clue. nowt fresh
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6:15pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !!
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.[/p][/quote]And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !! nowt fresh
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7:37pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thatsnotmyname says...

nowt fresh wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
Reality50 wrote:
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !!
Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety?

If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU.
That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older.

You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u
k/en/equality/migrat
ion-muslims-and-myth
ology/index.cfm
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.[/p][/quote]And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !![/p][/quote]Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm thatsnotmyname
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8:00pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
Reality50 wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !!
Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm
Don't need to read "myths of muslims" thatsnotmyname I worked with hundreds over my 40+ years in the Bradford foundry industry sorry to say I have first hand experiance of muslims and Indians strange thing is Indians didn't want every thing giving on a plate.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.[/p][/quote]And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !![/p][/quote]Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm[/p][/quote]Don't need to read "myths of muslims" thatsnotmyname I worked with hundreds over my 40+ years in the Bradford foundry industry sorry to say I have first hand experiance of muslims and Indians strange thing is Indians didn't want every thing giving on a plate. nowt fresh
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8:29pm Tue 27 Nov 12

lazybeat says...

Iftikhar wrote:
A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian".

Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture.

The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education.

The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers.

You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion.

A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry.
IA
Iftikar stop talking sh*t, as a muslim even I find what your saying is offensive. So what are you saying your children raised in a christian country should not integrate so when they face the real world they are as lost as you are. Keep your hillbilly comments back in pakistan. Society working alongside each other is what raises barriers not close them with methods you suggest.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: A civilisation is measured not by the rights it grants its majority but the privileges it allows its minorities. Muslim families are as entitled as any other religious group to schools that nurture their children's faith. Muslim pupils should be educated in Muslim schools because the current system is marginalising them. Teaching Muslim children in a Muslim school would remove the "problem of them being exposed" to values that conflict with Islamic faith. Muslim pupils are disadvantaged and marginalised in the city's state schools because the cultural heritage of the curriculum is "European and Christian". Muslim schools provide an education in accordance with the Muslim beliefs and values, such as providing single-sex schooling after puberty. They are thus a response to the danger of absorption into the dominant culture. The number of Muslim children is on the increase in Bradford state and church schools. There are lot of schools where Muslim children are in majority. In my opinion, all such schools may be opted out as Muslim Academies for proper education. The demand for state funded Muslim schools is in accordance with the law of the land. Muslims are not asking for any favour. I set up the first Muslim school in London in 1981 and now there are 170 Muslim schools and only 12 are state funded. I would like to see each and every Muslim child in a state funded Muslim schools and I hope one day my dream would come true. There is no place for a non-Muslim child or a teacher in a Muslim school. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental period. There are few schools for Hindu and Sikh communities. Now even Black community is thinking of setting up their own state funded schools for their own children with black teachers. You better teach your children in your own schools and let migrant communities teach their children according to their needs and demands.British Establishment and society should concentrate on the evils of their own society and stop trying to change the way of life of Muslims. Muslim community does not want to integrate with the British society, indulging in incivility, anti-social behaviour, drug and knife culture, binge drinking, teenage pregnancies and abortion. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit. He/she is well versed in standard English, Arabic, Urdu and other community languages so that they do not find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage and are able to enjoy the beauty of their literature and poetry. IA[/p][/quote]Iftikar stop talking sh*t, as a muslim even I find what your saying is offensive. So what are you saying your children raised in a christian country should not integrate so when they face the real world they are as lost as you are. Keep your hillbilly comments back in pakistan. Society working alongside each other is what raises barriers not close them with methods you suggest. lazybeat
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8:43pm Tue 27 Nov 12

thatsnotmyname says...

nowt fresh wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
Reality50 wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !!
Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm
Don't need to read "myths of muslims" thatsnotmyname I worked with hundreds over my 40+ years in the Bradford foundry industry sorry to say I have first hand experiance of muslims and Indians strange thing is Indians didn't want every thing giving on a plate.
Funny how an article about the expansion of schools in mostly white areas can be turned into a rant over ethnic people isn't it. Maybe you didn't read this either?
[quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.[/p][/quote]And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !![/p][/quote]Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm[/p][/quote]Don't need to read "myths of muslims" thatsnotmyname I worked with hundreds over my 40+ years in the Bradford foundry industry sorry to say I have first hand experiance of muslims and Indians strange thing is Indians didn't want every thing giving on a plate.[/p][/quote]Funny how an article about the expansion of schools in mostly white areas can be turned into a rant over ethnic people isn't it. Maybe you didn't read this either? thatsnotmyname
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8:52pm Tue 27 Nov 12

nowt fresh says...

thatsnotmyname wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
nowt fresh wrote:
thatsnotmyname wrote:
Reality50 wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.
And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !!
Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm
Don't need to read "myths of muslims" thatsnotmyname I worked with hundreds over my 40+ years in the Bradford foundry industry sorry to say I have first hand experiance of muslims and Indians strange thing is Indians didn't want every thing giving on a plate.
Funny how an article about the expansion of schools in mostly white areas can be turned into a rant over ethnic people isn't it. Maybe you didn't read this either?
So why are your first comments : "Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.” Maybe you didn't read this either?”
or you can go off topic but when another poster does you pull them up about it !!! are you for real thatsnotmyname ?.
[quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]nowt fresh[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]thatsnotmyname[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.[/p][/quote]And a little further down the artical :"Bradford is one of the few Metropolitan Districts to be experiencing population growth. This growth is likely to continue over the coming decades due to one of the highest projected rates of population growth amongst metropolitan areas outside London. Based on recent population projections from the Office for National Statistics, the total population is forecast to reach almost 640,400 by 2033. This equals an average annual increase of around 5,500 and an overall total increase of 139,000 (28%)" yes thatsnotmyname it's all that "white chav variety" really !![/p][/quote]Did I say it was 'all' that white chav variety? If you walk around those areas (you may not) there is a whole load of different folk now. Bradford has always been a place that attracted immigration and currently that is people from the EU. That report you link to also mentions the biggest reason for growth is that people are also dying older. You may find this article (bradford down the page) on the myths of muslims interesting http://www.pcs.org.u k/en/equality/migrat ion-muslims-and-myth ology/index.cfm[/p][/quote]Don't need to read "myths of muslims" thatsnotmyname I worked with hundreds over my 40+ years in the Bradford foundry industry sorry to say I have first hand experiance of muslims and Indians strange thing is Indians didn't want every thing giving on a plate.[/p][/quote]Funny how an article about the expansion of schools in mostly white areas can be turned into a rant over ethnic people isn't it. Maybe you didn't read this either?[/p][/quote]So why are your first comments : "Really? Show me evidence please. The biggest familes I see are usually of the white chav variety.” Maybe you didn't read this either?” or you can go off topic but when another poster does you pull them up about it !!! are you for real thatsnotmyname ?. nowt fresh
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9:35pm Tue 27 Nov 12

fabricator666 says...

the schools in the predominantly white areas are expanding to cope with the demands of the indeginous people who are trying to get out of the ghetto of bradford before the need to apply for a passport.simples!!
the schools in the predominantly white areas are expanding to cope with the demands of the indeginous people who are trying to get out of the ghetto of bradford before the need to apply for a passport.simples!! fabricator666
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9:40pm Tue 27 Nov 12

fabricator666 says...

i should also add, what a wonderful place tony blair and gordon brown have created with their open door immigration policy. We will all be paying the price for many many years. I hope all you liberal thinkers are sooo proud of what you've done. May you rot in hell
i should also add, what a wonderful place tony blair and gordon brown have created with their open door immigration policy. We will all be paying the price for many many years. I hope all you liberal thinkers are sooo proud of what you've done. May you rot in hell fabricator666
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9:48pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Albion. says...

Bingleyite wrote:
As far as I'm concerned education should be completely secular in terms of what is provided by the state. I have no problems with their being Catholic, CofE, Muslim, Sikh or any school but they should NOT be funded out of tax payers money.

There is a huge problem of over-subscription to schools in Bingley. The problem is everything to do with mass-building of new housing estates and nothing to do with skin colour/race/creed.
There are lots of bus loads and car loads of kids going into Bingley schools and Nab Wood every morning, mostly from the direction of Bradford.
[quote][p][bold]Bingleyite[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm concerned education should be completely secular in terms of what is provided by the state. I have no problems with their being Catholic, CofE, Muslim, Sikh or any school but they should NOT be funded out of tax payers money. There is a huge problem of over-subscription to schools in Bingley. The problem is everything to do with mass-building of new housing estates and nothing to do with skin colour/race/creed.[/p][/quote]There are lots of bus loads and car loads of kids going into Bingley schools and Nab Wood every morning, mostly from the direction of Bradford. Albion.
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10:22pm Tue 27 Nov 12

skellett47 says...

Should we really be surprised that there is a suggestion that Eldwick Primary may well have to expand. Definitely not. Build hundreds of houses on Green Belt land, and guess what? People move in and either have children already, or produce them later on.

My worry is what happens to the inadequate infrastructure around these areas? It clogs up that what. Those living in the Eldwick area predicted as much all those years ago before a single brick had been laid. I'm not a NIMBY. The same would be applicable wherever this situation prevailed. Lack of 'joined-up' thinking.

Sadly over the many years we've had a succession of 'Muppets' on the council and in it's various departments, creating these situations with it's shortsighted planning strategy.

The influx of foreigners just adds to the problem.
Should we really be surprised that there is a suggestion that Eldwick Primary may well have to expand. Definitely not. Build hundreds of houses on Green Belt land, and guess what? People move in and either have children already, or produce them later on. My worry is what happens to the inadequate infrastructure around these areas? It clogs up that what. Those living in the Eldwick area predicted as much all those years ago before a single brick had been laid. I'm not a NIMBY. The same would be applicable wherever this situation prevailed. Lack of 'joined-up' thinking. Sadly over the many years we've had a succession of 'Muppets' on the council and in it's various departments, creating these situations with it's shortsighted planning strategy. The influx of foreigners just adds to the problem. skellett47
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10:44pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Iftikhar says...

Muslim schooling is on the rise in the West. Anti-Muslim attitudes in state schools contribute to its growth. there are 240 to 250 private Islamic schools in the U.S and 170 Muslim schools in the United Kingdom and out of that 12 are state funded. The increasing enrollment in these schools reflects the religion’s growing number of Muslims and the desire of parents to shelter young Muslims from discrimination and discomfort they might encounter at state schools. But Islamic schools, like mosques and other Islamic institutions, can be viewed with distrust and even hostility. Jewish Schools in Israel teach Children about Evolution. They has a curious way of teaching it. They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve(peace be upon them).
It’s very important … for Muslim kids to be able to go to a school that affirms who they are and allows the creative space to be comfortable being Muslim. In an Islamic school they have a feeling of pride … minus some of the other things they might encounter. The Islamic School League of America (ISLA), a nonprofit that connects Muslim educators and institutions, estimates that 40,000 students are enrolled in Islamic schools in the United States, a 25 percent increase from 2006. Those numbers are expected to keep growing as new schools open and existing schools expand.

There are plenty of challenges to start-up schools, not least of which is persuading potential students and their parents that the school is academically up to snuff. If you’re dealing with immigrants, you’re dealing with post-colonial attitudes, in many of their countries of origin, The way to move upward was through Western schools. … (In the past) they saw Islamic schools as not where they should put their students if they want their kids to end up in Harvard or in Oxford.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools.
There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.
IA
Muslim schooling is on the rise in the West. Anti-Muslim attitudes in state schools contribute to its growth. there are 240 to 250 private Islamic schools in the U.S and 170 Muslim schools in the United Kingdom and out of that 12 are state funded. The increasing enrollment in these schools reflects the religion’s growing number of Muslims and the desire of parents to shelter young Muslims from discrimination and discomfort they might encounter at state schools. But Islamic schools, like mosques and other Islamic institutions, can be viewed with distrust and even hostility. Jewish Schools in Israel teach Children about Evolution. They has a curious way of teaching it. They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve(peace be upon them). It’s very important … for Muslim kids to be able to go to a school that affirms who they are and allows the creative space to be comfortable being Muslim. In an Islamic school they have a feeling of pride … minus some of the other things they might encounter. The Islamic School League of America (ISLA), a nonprofit that connects Muslim educators and institutions, estimates that 40,000 students are enrolled in Islamic schools in the United States, a 25 percent increase from 2006. Those numbers are expected to keep growing as new schools open and existing schools expand. There are plenty of challenges to start-up schools, not least of which is persuading potential students and their parents that the school is academically up to snuff. If you’re dealing with immigrants, you’re dealing with post-colonial attitudes, in many of their countries of origin, The way to move upward was through Western schools. … (In the past) they saw Islamic schools as not where they should put their students if they want their kids to end up in Harvard or in Oxford. Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands. IA Iftikhar
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11:53pm Tue 27 Nov 12

Bingleyresident says...

skellett47 wrote:
Should we really be surprised that there is a suggestion that Eldwick Primary may well have to expand. Definitely not. Build hundreds of houses on Green Belt land, and guess what? People move in and either have children already, or produce them later on. My worry is what happens to the inadequate infrastructure around these areas? It clogs up that what. Those living in the Eldwick area predicted as much all those years ago before a single brick had been laid. I'm not a NIMBY. The same would be applicable wherever this situation prevailed. Lack of 'joined-up' thinking. Sadly over the many years we've had a succession of 'Muppets' on the council and in it's various departments, creating these situations with it's shortsighted planning strategy. The influx of foreigners just adds to the problem.
Building 1200 houses in Eldwick and at the same time closing down and selling off the old primary school short sighted? Surely not! No wonder the Tory leader isn't available for comment 10 years after the last expansion consultation when they decided there were enough school places available.
[quote][p][bold]skellett47[/bold] wrote: Should we really be surprised that there is a suggestion that Eldwick Primary may well have to expand. Definitely not. Build hundreds of houses on Green Belt land, and guess what? People move in and either have children already, or produce them later on. My worry is what happens to the inadequate infrastructure around these areas? It clogs up that what. Those living in the Eldwick area predicted as much all those years ago before a single brick had been laid. I'm not a NIMBY. The same would be applicable wherever this situation prevailed. Lack of 'joined-up' thinking. Sadly over the many years we've had a succession of 'Muppets' on the council and in it's various departments, creating these situations with it's shortsighted planning strategy. The influx of foreigners just adds to the problem.[/p][/quote]Building 1200 houses in Eldwick and at the same time closing down and selling off the old primary school short sighted? Surely not! No wonder the Tory leader isn't available for comment 10 years after the last expansion consultation when they decided there were enough school places available. Bingleyresident
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12:02am Wed 28 Nov 12

Bingleyresident says...

Bingleyite wrote:
As far as I'm concerned education should be completely secular in terms of what is provided by the state. I have no problems with their being Catholic, CofE, Muslim, Sikh or any school but they should NOT be funded out of tax payers money. There is a huge problem of over-subscription to schools in Bingley. The problem is everything to do with mass-building of new housing estates and nothing to do with skin colour/race/creed.
It was actually the CofE who blocked the expansion of Eldwick school the last time they did this consultation. They were afraid they would lose pupils from Trinity All Saints and it would have to close down. What with the Catholics having a school in the area then they couldn't let that happen. Education should definitely be secular to stop this meddling.
[quote][p][bold]Bingleyite[/bold] wrote: As far as I'm concerned education should be completely secular in terms of what is provided by the state. I have no problems with their being Catholic, CofE, Muslim, Sikh or any school but they should NOT be funded out of tax payers money. There is a huge problem of over-subscription to schools in Bingley. The problem is everything to do with mass-building of new housing estates and nothing to do with skin colour/race/creed.[/p][/quote]It was actually the CofE who blocked the expansion of Eldwick school the last time they did this consultation. They were afraid they would lose pupils from Trinity All Saints and it would have to close down. What with the Catholics having a school in the area then they couldn't let that happen. Education should definitely be secular to stop this meddling. Bingleyresident
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6:45am Wed 28 Nov 12

Albion. says...

skellett47 wrote:
Should we really be surprised that there is a suggestion that Eldwick Primary may well have to expand. Definitely not. Build hundreds of houses on Green Belt land, and guess what? People move in and either have children already, or produce them later on.

My worry is what happens to the inadequate infrastructure around these areas? It clogs up that what. Those living in the Eldwick area predicted as much all those years ago before a single brick had been laid. I'm not a NIMBY. The same would be applicable wherever this situation prevailed. Lack of 'joined-up' thinking.

Sadly over the many years we've had a succession of 'Muppets' on the council and in it's various departments, creating these situations with it's shortsighted planning strategy.

The influx of foreigners just adds to the problem.
Where have hundreds of houses been built on green belt land? green field land=yes, there is a difference.
[quote][p][bold]skellett47[/bold] wrote: Should we really be surprised that there is a suggestion that Eldwick Primary may well have to expand. Definitely not. Build hundreds of houses on Green Belt land, and guess what? People move in and either have children already, or produce them later on. My worry is what happens to the inadequate infrastructure around these areas? It clogs up that what. Those living in the Eldwick area predicted as much all those years ago before a single brick had been laid. I'm not a NIMBY. The same would be applicable wherever this situation prevailed. Lack of 'joined-up' thinking. Sadly over the many years we've had a succession of 'Muppets' on the council and in it's various departments, creating these situations with it's shortsighted planning strategy. The influx of foreigners just adds to the problem.[/p][/quote]Where have hundreds of houses been built on green belt land? green field land=yes, there is a difference. Albion.
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11:18am Wed 28 Nov 12

loftyme says...

True about the hundreds of muslim kids being "flown" in to the schools in Bingley & Cottingley from the Bradford ghettos, not many at all local kids.
Spoils the local area I'm afraid, cottingley between 3& 4pm looks like barkerend, that is factual, not a racist observation !
True about the hundreds of muslim kids being "flown" in to the schools in Bingley & Cottingley from the Bradford ghettos, not many at all local kids. Spoils the local area I'm afraid, cottingley between 3& 4pm looks like barkerend, that is factual, not a racist observation ! loftyme
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5:52pm Wed 28 Nov 12

hx3bantam says...

Reality50 wrote:
This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.
Your first and last sentences contradict each other and the bit in the middle was b0ll0x. Apart from that it was spot on!
[quote][p][bold]Reality50[/bold] wrote: This boom is solely down to the rise in Muslim population. They are breeding at such a massive rate and it worries me as to the future of the region and let's be fair here,an eventual majority Muslim population in 20 years time will mean Islamic domination on the council and possible Sharia law zones. They are not scare stories but fact. The council and the media have to be honest and say that the pupil explosion is mainly due to Muslims -although Eastern Europeans have added a little to the total-.[/p][/quote]Your first and last sentences contradict each other and the bit in the middle was b0ll0x. Apart from that it was spot on! hx3bantam
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6:09pm Wed 28 Nov 12

hx3bantam says...

loftyme wrote:
True about the hundreds of muslim kids being "flown" in to the schools in Bingley & Cottingley from the Bradford ghettos, not many at all local kids. Spoils the local area I'm afraid, cottingley between 3& 4pm looks like barkerend, that is factual, not a racist observation !
The fact you ended your post with that merely makes me surmise that you are mental.
[quote][p][bold]loftyme[/bold] wrote: True about the hundreds of muslim kids being "flown" in to the schools in Bingley & Cottingley from the Bradford ghettos, not many at all local kids. Spoils the local area I'm afraid, cottingley between 3& 4pm looks like barkerend, that is factual, not a racist observation ![/p][/quote]The fact you ended your post with that merely makes me surmise that you are mental. hx3bantam
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11:11pm Thu 29 Nov 12

WayneRouke says...

Iftikhar wrote:
Muslim schooling is on the rise in the West. Anti-Muslim attitudes in state schools contribute to its growth. there are 240 to 250 private Islamic schools in the U.S and 170 Muslim schools in the United Kingdom and out of that 12 are state funded. The increasing enrollment in these schools reflects the religion’s growing number of Muslims and the desire of parents to shelter young Muslims from discrimination and discomfort they might encounter at state schools. But Islamic schools, like mosques and other Islamic institutions, can be viewed with distrust and even hostility. Jewish Schools in Israel teach Children about Evolution. They has a curious way of teaching it. They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve(peace be upon them).
It’s very important … for Muslim kids to be able to go to a school that affirms who they are and allows the creative space to be comfortable being Muslim. In an Islamic school they have a feeling of pride … minus some of the other things they might encounter. The Islamic School League of America (ISLA), a nonprofit that connects Muslim educators and institutions, estimates that 40,000 students are enrolled in Islamic schools in the United States, a 25 percent increase from 2006. Those numbers are expected to keep growing as new schools open and existing schools expand.

There are plenty of challenges to start-up schools, not least of which is persuading potential students and their parents that the school is academically up to snuff. If you’re dealing with immigrants, you’re dealing with post-colonial attitudes, in many of their countries of origin, The way to move upward was through Western schools. … (In the past) they saw Islamic schools as not where they should put their students if they want their kids to end up in Harvard or in Oxford.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools.
There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.
IA
Whatshisname said
" They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve(peace be upon them)."

Confirms my view of religion in general. When and if we worship, we worship the same thing, we just call it or them a different name, be it god, buddha, islam or just plain nothing.


Whatshisname said
"Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum."

This happened to me as a child.. It was called Sunday school and was run while the adults were in church.


Whatshisname said
"Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism."

People just like you, I suppose, who shovel religion down my throat and push for segregation instead of integration.

If you want faith schools, pay for them, because I do not wish to contribute to any faith school, regardless of the faith. I want to contribute to a school which will turn out educated, polite, well balanced semi adults who can contribute to society and support me in my retirement, not extremist bigots spouting the rubbish of their own religion.

Christians are no worse or better than any other, just a little more advanced. A few hundred years ago, they went on crusades mutating, raping and pillaging anyone and anything who would not worship the cross, and converting people to their ways or die.

I dont think the time when we have Shariah law in the UK will occur in my lifetime, but I do believe it will come, or there will be a push for it, in the future.

I look at the world, and I look at the trouble hotspots, both current and historically. I look at Palestine, Iraq, Argentina, Northern Ireland, the Old Iron curtain and a whole host of others. And do you know what I put the basis of all that trouble down to (incorrectly or correctly)... yes---- RELIGION.. The very thing that advocates(on the whole), peace among men.. Smacks of hyprocrisy to me..

So, faith schools, in my view, are just adding to the pot for future wars, whatever the religion.
[quote][p][bold]Iftikhar[/bold] wrote: Muslim schooling is on the rise in the West. Anti-Muslim attitudes in state schools contribute to its growth. there are 240 to 250 private Islamic schools in the U.S and 170 Muslim schools in the United Kingdom and out of that 12 are state funded. The increasing enrollment in these schools reflects the religion’s growing number of Muslims and the desire of parents to shelter young Muslims from discrimination and discomfort they might encounter at state schools. But Islamic schools, like mosques and other Islamic institutions, can be viewed with distrust and even hostility. Jewish Schools in Israel teach Children about Evolution. They has a curious way of teaching it. They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve(peace be upon them). It’s very important … for Muslim kids to be able to go to a school that affirms who they are and allows the creative space to be comfortable being Muslim. In an Islamic school they have a feeling of pride … minus some of the other things they might encounter. The Islamic School League of America (ISLA), a nonprofit that connects Muslim educators and institutions, estimates that 40,000 students are enrolled in Islamic schools in the United States, a 25 percent increase from 2006. Those numbers are expected to keep growing as new schools open and existing schools expand. There are plenty of challenges to start-up schools, not least of which is persuading potential students and their parents that the school is academically up to snuff. If you’re dealing with immigrants, you’re dealing with post-colonial attitudes, in many of their countries of origin, The way to move upward was through Western schools. … (In the past) they saw Islamic schools as not where they should put their students if they want their kids to end up in Harvard or in Oxford. Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands. IA[/p][/quote]Whatshisname said " They said the Jews were made by god and the Palestinians evolved from apes. On the other hand, Muslim schools teach children that human beings are from Adam and Eve(peace be upon them)." Confirms my view of religion in general. When and if we worship, we worship the same thing, we just call it or them a different name, be it god, buddha, islam or just plain nothing. Whatshisname said "Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum." This happened to me as a child.. It was called Sunday school and was run while the adults were in church. Whatshisname said "Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism." People just like you, I suppose, who shovel religion down my throat and push for segregation instead of integration. If you want faith schools, pay for them, because I do not wish to contribute to any faith school, regardless of the faith. I want to contribute to a school which will turn out educated, polite, well balanced semi adults who can contribute to society and support me in my retirement, not extremist bigots spouting the rubbish of their own religion. Christians are no worse or better than any other, just a little more advanced. A few hundred years ago, they went on crusades mutating, raping and pillaging anyone and anything who would not worship the cross, and converting people to their ways or die. I dont think the time when we have Shariah law in the UK will occur in my lifetime, but I do believe it will come, or there will be a push for it, in the future. I look at the world, and I look at the trouble hotspots, both current and historically. I look at Palestine, Iraq, Argentina, Northern Ireland, the Old Iron curtain and a whole host of others. And do you know what I put the basis of all that trouble down to (incorrectly or correctly)... yes---- RELIGION.. The very thing that advocates(on the whole), peace among men.. Smacks of hyprocrisy to me.. So, faith schools, in my view, are just adding to the pot for future wars, whatever the religion. WayneRouke
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