Fire crews already under attack from yobs hurling bricks and fireworks (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)
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Fire crews already under attack from yobs hurling bricks and fireworks
7:00am Tuesday 23rd October 2012 in Bradford
By Dolores Cowburn, Bradford Chief Reporter
FBU secretary David Williams who has condemned the attacks as 'deplorable'
Firefighters in the Bradford district are already coming under attack with bricks and fireworks thrown at them as they attend incidents in the run-up to Bonfire Night.
The attacks have been condemned by the Fire Brigades Union as “deplorable” and “worrying”.
And if they continue, two fire engines might have to be sent to incidents in the problem areas to act as a deterrent, which could leave other areas of Bradford exposed.
Dave Williams, West Yorkshire secretary of the FBU, said that dark nights and the easy availability of buying fireworks seemed to cause problems with youths acting under cover of darkness.
“These attacks have been going on for years and years but we are more adept at reporting it now,” he said.
“It is deplorable and I don’t know why the frustration is directed at the Fire Service. These attacks have started earlier this year and it is worrying.
“Using two fire engines could leave other areas of the district exposed, because we do not have a bottomless pit to keep pulling engines from and that is a problem.”
Among the incidents logged by the fire service is an attack on Fairweather Green firefighters when they were pelted with bricks as they tried to put out a fire in West Park Road, Four Lane Ends, Bradford, on Sunday night.
It was the second similar attack that day when an earlier crew had been called out to Bonn Road, Manningham, to tackle a bonfire when youths started throwing fireworks at them.
No-one was injured in either attack.
Shipley firefighters had fireworks thrown at them as they attended an incident on a building site at Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive at 9.30pm on Sunday.
Detective Chief Inspector Dan Greenwood, of Bradford District Community Safety Partnership, said: “For those who continue to commit offences against the very people dedicated to their safety, I would issue this warning.
“In undertaking such attacks, you are putting other people’s lives at risk and wasting the valuable time of officers entrusted with their protection.
“We will take a no nonsense approach to such behaviour. If you are intent on causing problems, you will quickly find yourself before the Courts.
“The Police have a strong working relationship with our counterparts in the Fire Service.
“By working closely together, we aim to educate the public on the positive work which is undertaken on a daily basis to the benefit of the whole community.
“Our Neighbourhood Policing Teams for instance, regularly undertake talks with school pupils across the whole district on subjects ranging from arson to personal safety.”
District Commander Jim Butters, of West Yorkshire Fire Service, said he took any reports of attacks on his staff very seriously and they were always reported to police.
He said: “We are very conscious that our staff should be treated with respect when they’re out doing their job, which is a very difficult job.”
Mr Butters added that a previous crackdown on the problem had led to the number of incidents falling by more than half over the past couple of years.
Comments(82)
tornshaunton
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7:43am Tue 23 Oct 12
Old Dave
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7:59am Tue 23 Oct 12
I know it sounds Draconian, but something needs to happen. remember, this is not a victimless crime as every council tax payer is losing out whenever a Fire engine is damaged, or a firefighter is hurt, not just in cash tersm, but potentially withy their lives!
Bornagain2him
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8:04am Tue 23 Oct 12
angry bradfordian
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8:07am Tue 23 Oct 12
I'm not sure that the fun that's had from bonfire night is worth the hassle that's occurring every October & November.
wobbley-bob
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8:11am Tue 23 Oct 12
JAtkinson
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8:22am Tue 23 Oct 12
I agree that a police car with video equipment should be sent out to these areas, and the parents fined for their lack of care.
norman corner's magic
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8:28am Tue 23 Oct 12
idleone
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8:28am Tue 23 Oct 12
Joedavid
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8:41am Tue 23 Oct 12
Avro
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8:49am Tue 23 Oct 12
So what has/is being done to kurb this, because to name and shame would be a great start, and that parents pay for the damage!
German Shepherd
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9:17am Tue 23 Oct 12
Apollo
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9:56am Tue 23 Oct 12
Riot is a more serious offence and following the London and elsewhere situation a couple of years ago those involved would know they were going straight to jail or other detention.
That and the threat of a criminal record hanging over them for the rest of their lives......?
That would stop all but the most stupid.
Bone_idle18
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10:12am Tue 23 Oct 12
tornshaunton wrote:What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
Andy2010
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10:29am Tue 23 Oct 12
Apollo wrote:The police wont touch them as that would be racist
On a more serious note perhaps if the Police grabbed a few of these yobs and charged them with riot that would soon nip it in the bud. Riot is a more serious offence and following the London and elsewhere situation a couple of years ago those involved would know they were going straight to jail or other detention. That and the threat of a criminal record hanging over them for the rest of their lives......? That would stop all but the most stupid.
Salty Bantam
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10:31am Tue 23 Oct 12
norman corner's magic wrote:Fireworks ought to be banned anyway.
Maybe we should apply the law to shopkeepers who sell fireworks to the underage.These fireworks should be classed as offence weapons and as such sentences should not be fines they should be hard time.
Salty Bantam
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10:35am Tue 23 Oct 12
Andy2010 wrote:Police are useless anyway, and with the Tory spending cuts they'll be even more useless, as there'll be less of them to do the job. Bradford will burn.
Apollo wrote:The police wont touch them as that would be racist
On a more serious note perhaps if the Police grabbed a few of these yobs and charged them with riot that would soon nip it in the bud. Riot is a more serious offence and following the London and elsewhere situation a couple of years ago those involved would know they were going straight to jail or other detention. That and the threat of a criminal record hanging over them for the rest of their lives......? That would stop all but the most stupid.
Salty Bantam
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10:37am Tue 23 Oct 12
Apollo wrote:I don't know why the Firemen don't fight back, what's stopping them? I would defo turn the hose on 'em! That would instantly solve the problem.
I have to say that turning the hoses on the little sh1ts would soon dampen their enthusiasm for throwing fireworks or bricks.
And they would be in so much trouble from their parents when they came home all wet.
Salty Bantam
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10:44am Tue 23 Oct 12
A news story about seizure of Class A drugs, YET the T&A shows a picture of Cannabis, the least of the problem and NOT Class A !
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10000070.__30_000
_haul_seized_in_Brad
ford_drugs_clampdown
/?ref=ec
PLEASE PROVIDE A COMMENT SECTION ON EACH STORY T&A.
Albion.
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10:46am Tue 23 Oct 12
Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is!
tornshaunton wrote:What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).
mad matt
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11:55am Tue 23 Oct 12
I can remember being dragged home by the ear by the local Bobby 'cos I had let off a banger on the roadside a few days before plot night - got a right clout from my dad and didn't do it again!
Now, fireworks are let off at any time of the year and nothing ever gets done about it.
Salty Bantam
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12:01pm Tue 23 Oct 12
mad matt wrote:It has always been illegal to set off fireworks in the street or in any public place other than your own garden, on any date of the year.
I don't know if this law still applies, but years ago it was illegal to set off explosions (fireworks) in the street except on the 5th of November or the nearest weekend to the 5th.
I can remember being dragged home by the ear by the local Bobby 'cos I had let off a banger on the roadside a few days before plot night - got a right clout from my dad and didn't do it again!
Now, fireworks are let off at any time of the year and nothing ever gets done about it.
Salty Bantam
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12:03pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.
Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is!
tornshaunton wrote:What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).
German Shepherd
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12:05pm Tue 23 Oct 12
mad matt wrote:The law on fireworks, what you forget, though, is that the law doesn't apply to these people
I don't know if this law still applies, but years ago it was illegal to set off explosions (fireworks) in the street except on the 5th of November or the nearest weekend to the 5th. I can remember being dragged home by the ear by the local Bobby 'cos I had let off a banger on the roadside a few days before plot night - got a right clout from my dad and didn't do it again! Now, fireworks are let off at any time of the year and nothing ever gets done about it.
https://www.gov.uk/f
ireworks-the-law
Bone_idle18
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12:11pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Or, just drive off as soon as they come under attack and let the locals deal with the problem.
Albion.
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12:16pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:It happens in some countries where martial law isn't the norm.
Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.
Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is!
tornshaunton wrote:What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).
Other remedies don't work, the police are too stretched and the legal system is ineffective.
The Hoffster
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12:52pm Tue 23 Oct 12
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
Bone_idle18
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1:14pm Tue 23 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
The Hoffster
says...
1:28pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
U8MyRabbit
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1:31pm Tue 23 Oct 12
I really don't think those thugs care about that statement !
legallyblonde
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1:44pm Tue 23 Oct 12
wobbley-bob wrote:Best way - with some dye in the water then they can be picked up easily! either that or a curfew to keep them off the streets - it will be the same once we have some snow - pelting cars with ice balls, fun is something certain people do not understand - they only know how to be vandals, the parents have a lot to answer for!
Turn the hoses on them......... On full pressure!
Salty Bantam
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2:10pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Albion. wrote:Then the Government should adequately fund the Police!
Salty Bantam wrote:It happens in some countries where martial law isn't the norm.
Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.
Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is!
tornshaunton wrote:What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).
Other remedies don't work, the police are too stretched and the legal system is ineffective.
Albion.
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2:12pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:I agree! They should give YOU less.
Albion. wrote:Then the Government should adequately fund the Police!
Salty Bantam wrote:It happens in some countries where martial law isn't the norm.
Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.
Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is!
tornshaunton wrote:What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).
Other remedies don't work, the police are too stretched and the legal system is ineffective.
German Shepherd
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2:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:Or the parents should bring up their children properly, therefore reducing the need for additional Police resources, therefore reducing the tax burden on hard working decent people
Albion. wrote:Then the Government should adequately fund the Police!Salty Bantam wrote:It happens in some countries where martial law isn't the norm. Other remedies don't work, the police are too stretched and the legal system is ineffective.Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is! I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
Salty Bantam
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2:13pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam
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2:14pm Tue 23 Oct 12
German Shepherd wrote:...in an ideal world. Until then, increase taxes and fund the Police.
Salty Bantam wrote:Or the parents should bring up their children properly, therefore reducing the need for additional Police resources, therefore reducing the tax burden on hard working decent people
Albion. wrote:Then the Government should adequately fund the Police!Salty Bantam wrote:It happens in some countries where martial law isn't the norm. Other remedies don't work, the police are too stretched and the legal system is ineffective.Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is! I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
Albion.
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2:21pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:Easy for you to say as you don't pay tax.
German Shepherd wrote:...in an ideal world. Until then, increase taxes and fund the Police.
Salty Bantam wrote:Or the parents should bring up their children properly, therefore reducing the need for additional Police resources, therefore reducing the tax burden on hard working decent people
Albion. wrote:Then the Government should adequately fund the Police!Salty Bantam wrote:It happens in some countries where martial law isn't the norm. Other remedies don't work, the police are too stretched and the legal system is ineffective.Albion. wrote:Military on the streets is akin to Martial Law, and would lead to Civil War.Bone_idle18 wrote:Yes it is! I think as we are bringing troops home gradually, why not have military escorts for hotspots, surely the government can make it so that they wont face prosecution when fighting back (in a similar way to what they have done with people faced with intruders in their own home).tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
Albion.
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2:22pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:More nonsense.
Anyway, the whole of the northern hemisphere will soon be in flame...if Fulcanelli's interpretation of the Cross of Hendaye is correct!
bradfordlad
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2:28pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Tollerboy
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2:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Tollerboy
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2:51pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Apollo
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3:25pm Tue 23 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:You are making things up to fit your agenda.
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*.... No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ? You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ? {rolleyes}
Fagley, Queendsbury, Buttershaw, Idle and Eccleshill were not mentioned in this story or last year but you have to trot out your usual rubbish about them all being BNP/EDL chav hell-holes simply because you have not managed to colonise those areas yet? Or is it simply because the areas that are mentioned are Muslim hell holes full of feral and out of control good boys?
Yorkshire Lass
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3:26pm Tue 23 Oct 12
another culture that is being ignored at the expense of putting the brave firefighters at risk?
RollandSmoke
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4:37pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Innocenti
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4:44pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Bone_idle18
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4:45pm Tue 23 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
vax2002
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4:50pm Tue 23 Oct 12
A few police snatch squads and heavy handed court sentences will get the message home.
Throwing a brick at someone's head is attempted murder.
The maximum punishment is life.
First 3 or 4 to be dragged in front of the court for attempted murder and dished out some serious prison time and the problem will solve itself.
Bone_idle18
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5:08pm Tue 23 Oct 12
RollandSmoke
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5:22pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:The T&A haven't allowed comments on any drugs storys for years. Whilst the country is in the middle of a big debate on drugs policy the readers of this rag are denied the oppertunity to participate in that debate and it is left to certain posters to covertly sneek comments in to other stories with spurious links. Luckley for them the current drugs policy has a knock on effect in many other parts of life and more and more stories present an oppertunity to comment. The links are becoming less and less spurious.
The Police are too busy chasing after drugs. They should catch the yobbos instead.
A news story about seizure of Class A drugs, YET the T&A shows a picture of Cannabis, the least of the problem and NOT Class A !
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10000070.__30_000
_haul_seized_in_Brad
ford_drugs_clampdown
/?ref=ec
PLEASE PROVIDE A COMMENT SECTION ON EACH STORY T&A.
The Hoffster
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5:26pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
The Hoffster
says...
5:27pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Apollo wrote:Hello, Apollo :)
The Hoffster wrote:You are making things up to fit your agenda.
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*.... No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ? You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ? {rolleyes}
Fagley, Queendsbury, Buttershaw, Idle and Eccleshill were not mentioned in this story or last year but you have to trot out your usual rubbish about them all being BNP/EDL chav hell-holes simply because you have not managed to colonise those areas yet? Or is it simply because the areas that are mentioned are Muslim hell holes full of feral and out of control good boys?
Albion.
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5:36pm Tue 23 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:Certain areas are specified in the report.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
The Hoffster
says...
5:43pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Albion. wrote:Let's wait for more similar 'news' as we're approaching the night itself.
The Hoffster wrote:Certain areas are specified in the report.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
Albion.
says...
5:54pm Tue 23 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:That will be another report, you can only react to what is presented.
Albion. wrote:Let's wait for more similar 'news' as we're approaching the night itself.
The Hoffster wrote:Certain areas are specified in the report.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
The Hoffster
says...
6:00pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Albion. wrote:Or what's already occurred (whether now or in the past).
The Hoffster wrote:That will be another report, you can only react to what is presented.
Albion. wrote:Let's wait for more similar 'news' as we're approaching the night itself.
The Hoffster wrote:Certain areas are specified in the report.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
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Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
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Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
Albion.
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6:19pm Tue 23 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:No!
Albion. wrote:Or what's already occurred (whether now or in the past).
The Hoffster wrote:That will be another report, you can only react to what is presented.
Albion. wrote:Let's wait for more similar 'news' as we're approaching the night itself.
The Hoffster wrote:Certain areas are specified in the report.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
The Hoffster
says...
6:49pm Tue 23 Oct 12
TaxiDriver456
says...
7:58pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Salty Bantam
says...
8:01pm Tue 23 Oct 12
TaxiDriver456 wrote:Why don't you try hit them with the car? I wouldn't even hesitate.
as a cab driver we do lot off picking up passengers in ravenscliffe+thorpe edge+idle. every other evening big stones thrown eggs wood being hurled at cars.always young lads.noting gets done. police to busy! pcsos no where to be seen!
Salty Bantam
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8:03pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Bone_idle18 wrote:Jobcentre staff and Work Coaches, probably (or if I have owt to do with it!).
Seems more and more people in Bradford need security to go along with them, poppy sellers, firemen, wonder who next?
Salty Bantam
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8:04pm Tue 23 Oct 12
tornshaunton wrote:Bonn Road is in Girlington, not Manningham.
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
Salty Bantam
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8:58pm Tue 23 Oct 12
RollandSmoke wrote:We live in a country where you can legally buy explosives (fireworks), and dangerous drugs (alcohol) at a corner shop yet you can't buy Cannabis!
Salty Bantam wrote:The T&A haven't allowed comments on any drugs storys for years. Whilst the country is in the middle of a big debate on drugs policy the readers of this rag are denied the oppertunity to participate in that debate and it is left to certain posters to covertly sneek comments in to other stories with spurious links. Luckley for them the current drugs policy has a knock on effect in many other parts of life and more and more stories present an oppertunity to comment. The links are becoming less and less spurious.
The Police are too busy chasing after drugs. They should catch the yobbos instead.
A news story about seizure of Class A drugs, YET the T&A shows a picture of Cannabis, the least of the problem and NOT Class A !
http://www.thetelegr
aphandargus.co.uk/ne
ws/10000070.__30_000
_haul_seized_in_Brad
ford_drugs_clampdown
/?ref=ec
PLEASE PROVIDE A COMMENT SECTION ON EACH STORY T&A.
justjustice
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9:55pm Tue 23 Oct 12
Or is that it is so common for under 18s to set off fireworks now that it is ignored?
Every year I see kids setting off fireworks in the street without a care of who or what it may hit and set on fire. some "parents" even give their kids the fireworks, letting them run off with them to "play with".
tornshaunton
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7:03am Wed 24 Oct 12
Bone_idle18 wrote:i wouldn't know - i'm only going by what i know as i used to live around the area i quoted.
tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!What about Shipley Fields Road and Woodhall Drive? What sort of area is that? rough?
tornshaunton
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7:09am Wed 24 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:islamophobe - why always turn stories into the race arguemant ?? i never mentioned race/creed/colour - all i said was ( formerly living around that area) that it doesn't surprise me the stuff that goes on around there.
tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ? You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ? {rolleyes}
& for your information, i now live in 1 of your so called BNP/EDL, chav hell holes & i haven't heard of ANY attacks on the fire brigade in the last 6 yrs.
tornshaunton
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7:25am Wed 24 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:only going by what is said in the story - i don't have time to sit on a PC all day checking google maps & former stories, sorry.
tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!Bonn Road is in Girlington, not Manningham.
Bone_idle18
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9:42am Wed 24 Oct 12
The Hoffster wrote:I was just going on what was said the the article I found from 2010, the fire-brigade are talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses about the dangers of attacking fire-engines.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
Don't deny certain areas have bad crime, look at the new police crime website, Queensbury is actually one on the lowest in Bradford, Manningham/Girlinton the highest. Do you dispute these facts?
johnhem
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10:10am Wed 24 Oct 12
Bradfordlass1972
says...
11:12am Wed 24 Oct 12
When you are all lambasting the police for not doing their job, maybe you need to think what it feels like. Police do back up the fire crews, and also come under fire from these people. Could ANYONE of you sign up and do it? Patrolling on foot throughout any area and being target practise for these yobs (they're not people). Seems from the 68 comments on here, no.
As for refusing to go into these areas, isn't that playing into their hands? Making it a 'no-go' area. Is that really what the law-abiding citizens that live in these areas are paying their Council Tax for?
flithergirl
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11:15am Wed 24 Oct 12
TaxiDriver456
says...
11:46am Wed 24 Oct 12
The Hoffster
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12:02pm Wed 24 Oct 12
tornshaunton wrote:Thanks for your post, TS.
The Hoffster wrote:islamophobe - why always turn stories into the race arguemant ?? i never mentioned race/creed/colour - all i said was ( formerly living around that area) that it doesn't surprise me the stuff that goes on around there.
tornshaunton wrote: attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ? You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ? {rolleyes}
& for your information, i now live in 1 of your so called BNP/EDL, chav hell holes & i haven't heard of ANY attacks on the fire brigade in the last 6 yrs.
The Hoffster
says...
12:03pm Wed 24 Oct 12
Bone_idle18 wrote:Appreciate your comments, BI. And yes, I agree there's crime in Manningham/Girlingto
The Hoffster wrote:I was just going on what was said the the article I found from 2010, the fire-brigade are talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses about the dangers of attacking fire-engines.
Bone_idle18 wrote:It's Islamophobic if you leave out certain hell-holes (i.e. non-Asian ones).
The Hoffster wrote:You talk rubbish!
Bone_idle18 wrote:I remember reading about them last year, and the year before that, and the year before *that*....
The Hoffster wrote:Didn't see those areas mentioned in the article!
tornshaunton wrote:Hey Islamophobe, what about the countless number of attacks year on in BNP/EDL chav hell-holes like Fagley, Queensbury, Buttershaw, Idle, Eccleshill.. ?
attacks in Girlington & Manningham . . . . . . well there's a surprise !!
You got anything to say on the animals in those vile-infested, diseased-ridden areas ?
{rolleyes}
No doubt we'll be hearing more of the same thing *this* year.
Search the T&A, most articles indicate otherwise. With the Fire brigade talking to kids in Mosques and Madrasses to get the message across.
.
Although I suspect other feral kids also cause problems, the main concern seems to be in certain areas (Heaton, Manningham and Keighley get a lot of mentions).
.
Nothing Islamaphobic about presenting the facts!
And you know it happens in those areas, bud; don't kid yourself.
Don't deny certain areas have bad crime, look at the new police crime website, Queensbury is actually one on the lowest in Bradford, Manningham/Girlinton the highest. Do you dispute these facts?
n but as someone has mentioned, (unfortunately) youths will be youths no matter what their colour.
Salty Bantam
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2:13pm Wed 24 Oct 12
TaxiDriver456 wrote:Like I said, drive into them, then claim they caused you to crash. I would.
as a cabbie i drive through lot of areas the yobs are same where ever u go white or asains they are the same! no respesct.in the evening the anti social behaviour starts.where i work we have white drivers asain drivers but the yobs dont care when who thet get.its fun for them.the fire engines should feel safe where ever they go.all areas are nice to live in but the yobs are spoiling them.we should all work together to find a soluation.only gona get worse with dark nights comeing.
Salty Bantam
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2:14pm Wed 24 Oct 12
justjustice wrote:And have you ever dialed 999 and asked for the Police? If not I suggest you do so, every single time.
So no mention that it was most likely done by youths and that it is illegal for under 18s to use fireworks.
Or is that it is so common for under 18s to set off fireworks now that it is ignored?
Every year I see kids setting off fireworks in the street without a care of who or what it may hit and set on fire. some "parents" even give their kids the fireworks, letting them run off with them to "play with".
Salty Bantam
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10:52pm Wed 24 Oct 12
TirNaNog
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12:52am Thu 25 Oct 12
Salty Bantam wrote:Have the lines been drawn? I missed the e-mail. What are they? I need to know if we're marching North to crush the Rebellious Scots (again!) or South to march on Parliament and give the Southern-softies some. There's no way I'm marching East or West. Hull and Liverpool? I don't think so!
A bunch of youths lobbing bricks and fireworks at fire engines is nothing compared to what is to come. The lines have been drawn and England is now on the verge of Civil War.
Let me know where and what time we're meeting. I'm guessing a Wetherspoons on a Monday morning? (See Mickey Flanagan for details!)
Cheers!
PS I can't make Wednesdays!
Andy2010
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12:56pm Thu 25 Oct 12
TirNaNog wrote:lol..best post in this thread
Salty Bantam wrote: A bunch of youths lobbing bricks and fireworks at fire engines is nothing compared to what is to come. The lines have been drawn and England is now on the verge of Civil War.Have the lines been drawn? I missed the e-mail. What are they? I need to know if we're marching North to crush the Rebellious Scots (again!) or South to march on Parliament and give the Southern-softies some. There's no way I'm marching East or West. Hull and Liverpool? I don't think so! Let me know where and what time we're meeting. I'm guessing a Wetherspoons on a Monday morning? (See Mickey Flanagan for details!) Cheers! PS I can't make Wednesdays!
Huneybunch
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10:25pm Fri 26 Oct 12
Mish29
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9:57am Sun 28 Oct 12
TaxiDriver456 wrote:Police and the pcsos have been cut to the bare bones so don't expect them to arrive in a hurry....
as a cab driver we do lot off picking up passengers in ravenscliffe+thorpe edge+idle. every other evening big stones thrown eggs wood being hurled at cars.always young lads.noting gets done. police to busy! pcsos no where to be seen!
Commonsensefirst
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12:50am Mon 29 Oct 12
Gabbysgran
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1:45pm Mon 29 Oct 12
thatsnotmyname wrote:The photos of these little scumbags would not be allowed to be publicised especially considering where the engines are being attacked (Girlington and Manningham). "You can't punish me, its racist innit -I can do what I effing want. Its me uman rights innit" "
Scum Instead of another engine beimg sent why don't they grab a video camera, film the little sods and send the images of their little faces to the t&a to print and the local schools to put up.
thatsnotmyname says...
7:32am Tue 23 Oct 12
Instead of another engine beimg sent why don't they grab a video camera, film the little sods and send the images of their little faces to the t&a to print and the local schools to put up.