Controversial book about Bradford's Ointment football hooligans to boost burns research unit funds (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

In fact, if these characters were truly reformed they wouldn't want this Book to be published. Just a book about "the good old days" in which we no doubt can read how they only targetted other "firms", public not targetted, etc etc. Involving the Burns Unit Appeal leaves a nasty taste as it seems a cynical ploy to boost sales - so I say "Don't buy the book but send your donation direct to the Unit Appeal. Oh, and don't say I shouldn't pre-judge or comment on a book I haven't read ! The content is evident - trash reading for dopes !

You say dont buy the book, yet you'd probably happily buy/watch films about the Krays/Moors Murderers i suppose !. There are many books on the market about football firms and this one will benefit the Burns Unit so good on them i say

pockman take it then you wont be buying it then????

pockman have you seen green st football factory and all the likes. whats to say that when people buy the book they give a little extra for the burns unit, i will be.

I'll be buying two to make up for Pockmans no show at Waterstones lol. It'll be a cracking read and good that the lads have insisted that a pound of the overall price of the book goes to the Burns Unit.

Grew up watching football in the 80's at Valley Parade and would also go over to Elland Road.
Used to go with other young lads, no parents or family stands in those days.
You know what, throughout all this time never had a moments trouble, saw fighting at times but very rare and the odd stone flew over my head at VP.
Point I'm making is you can blow a storm up about anything to suit your political viewpoint and take the worst examples on offer.Bit like binge drinking in town centres on Friday nights you can make that look bad but no real trouble there either.
Miss the passion that used to exsist in football and the characters on the terraces, its dull now, just a load of diving players and condencending jobsworth adminstrators putting politics in football.

Yeah, i used to go over to Elland Road when BCFC played the scummers, great atmosphere both at Valley Parade and at there place. Best ever away game was when Tinnion scored the equalliser around 1990 at there place. Regarding football violence, if you went looking for it, you'd find it in the 80's, in the 70's it found you in the ground especially away from VP as by the mid 70's very few away fans came to Bradford such was the reputation of it's supporters, no segregation and few if any police at games. Southport lads refused to get off their coaches on Midland Road in 72...Chesterfield got chased out of VP in 75 in an FA cup game, they'd come over mob handed (butchers coats and boots were their garb of the day) after BCFC fans had previously taken the Chesterfield end twice in a season two years previous, one being an FA cup game, those are just a couple of sanitized versions, a Bradford fan had got killed in a row on the outskirts of Southport in Ormskirk in 72 leading up to a particularly nasty incident on Midland Road in the return game, it actually turned out that it was Everton fans involved in Ormskirk but a couple of Bradford City fans had also been hospitalised at the away game besides one lad being killed outside a pub in Ormskirk after the game. So feelings were running high, clockwork orange garb was the fashion on show by the BCFC'fans that day in may 72.

bcfc1903 wrote:
Yeah, i used to go over to Elland Road when BCFC played the scummers, great atmosphere both at Valley Parade and at there place. Best ever away game was when Tinnion scored the equalliser around 1990 at there place. Regarding football violence, if you went looking for it, you'd find it in the 80's, in the 70's it found you in the ground especially away from VP as by the mid 70's very few away fans came to Bradford such was the reputation of it's supporters, no segregation and few if any police at games. Southport lads refused to get off their coaches on Midland Road in 72...Chesterfield got chased out of VP in 75 in an FA cup game, they'd come over mob handed (butchers coats and boots were their garb of the day) after BCFC fans had previously taken the Chesterfield end twice in a season two years previous, one being an FA cup game, those are just a couple of sanitized versions, a Bradford fan had got killed in a row on the outskirts of Southport in Ormskirk in 72 leading up to a particularly nasty incident on Midland Road in the return game, it actually turned out that it was Everton fans involved in Ormskirk but a couple of Bradford City fans had also been hospitalised at the away game besides one lad being killed outside a pub in Ormskirk after the game. So feelings were running high, clockwork orange garb was the fashion on show by the BCFC'fans that day in may 72.

Yep when tinnion scored it certainly got the hornets nest going, it was great in that corner section the whole 35,000 Leeds going barmy at 1,800 city,tinhat time, was stood by the fence next to the lowfields leeds lot, you've never seen people clear so quick from our area when city scored,the clanking of coins etc against the fence, you don't get that partisan rivalary now.
Was enthralled by games like these.

Footie hooligans should be forgotten about, they belong to the dark distant past. Most of 'em don't know owt about football anyway, too **** up and just looking for trouble. Idiots the lot of 'em.

pockman wrote:
In fact, if these characters were truly reformed they wouldn't want this Book to be published. Just a book about "the good old days" in which we no doubt can read how they only targetted other "firms", public not targetted, etc etc. Involving the Burns Unit Appeal leaves a nasty taste as it seems a cynical ploy to boost sales - so I say "Don't buy the book but send your donation direct to the Unit Appeal. Oh, and don't say I shouldn't pre-judge or comment on a book I haven't read ! The content is evident - trash reading for dopes !

Well then Pockman, if you get badly burnt in a fire, I expect to see you refusing treatment.

Accepting treatment from them after they have received funds from such horrid people would leave such a nasty taste in your mouth that guilt would fry you.

I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Wanna Have wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:
Yeah, i used to go over to Elland Road when BCFC played the scummers, great atmosphere both at Valley Parade and at there place. Best ever away game was when Tinnion scored the equalliser around 1990 at there place. Regarding football violence, if you went looking for it, you'd find it in the 80's, in the 70's it found you in the ground especially away from VP as by the mid 70's very few away fans came to Bradford such was the reputation of it's supporters, no segregation and few if any police at games. Southport lads refused to get off their coaches on Midland Road in 72...Chesterfield got chased out of VP in 75 in an FA cup game, they'd come over mob handed (butchers coats and boots were their garb of the day) after BCFC fans had previously taken the Chesterfield end twice in a season two years previous, one being an FA cup game, those are just a couple of sanitized versions, a Bradford fan had got killed in a row on the outskirts of Southport in Ormskirk in 72 leading up to a particularly nasty incident on Midland Road in the return game, it actually turned out that it was Everton fans involved in Ormskirk but a couple of Bradford City fans had also been hospitalised at the away game besides one lad being killed outside a pub in Ormskirk after the game. So feelings were running high, clockwork orange garb was the fashion on show by the BCFC'fans that day in may 72.

Yep when tinnion scored it certainly got the hornets nest going, it was great in that corner section the whole 35,000 Leeds going barmy at 1,800 city,tinhat time, was stood by the fence next to the lowfields leeds lot, you've never seen people clear so quick from our area when city scored,the clanking of coins etc against the fence, you don't get that partisan rivalary now.
Was enthralled by games like these.

I was pretty near the fence myself, didn't see any movement due to that section i was in being like sardines in a tin, think BCFC got 1,200 tickets and there was obviously many more BCFC fans who paid into the home sections of Elland Road...a recipee for mayhem if i remember correctly..... did collect plenty of coin though, very good of the Leeds fans to pay for my trip home lol. Remember going absolutely mental when Tinnion scored lol....great days.

Andy2010 wrote:
I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician.

This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

bcfc1903 wrote:
Yeah, i used to go over to Elland Road when BCFC played the scummers, great atmosphere both at Valley Parade and at there place. Best ever away game was when Tinnion scored the equalliser around 1990 at there place. Regarding football violence, if you went looking for it, you'd find it in the 80's, in the 70's it found you in the ground especially away from VP as by the mid 70's very few away fans came to Bradford such was the reputation of it's supporters, no segregation and few if any police at games. Southport lads refused to get off their coaches on Midland Road in 72...Chesterfield got chased out of VP in 75 in an FA cup game, they'd come over mob handed (butchers coats and boots were their garb of the day) after BCFC fans had previously taken the Chesterfield end twice in a season two years previous, one being an FA cup game, those are just a couple of sanitized versions, a Bradford fan had got killed in a row on the outskirts of Southport in Ormskirk in 72 leading up to a particularly nasty incident on Midland Road in the return game, it actually turned out that it was Everton fans involved in Ormskirk but a couple of Bradford City fans had also been hospitalised at the away game besides one lad being killed outside a pub in Ormskirk after the game. So feelings were running high, clockwork orange garb was the fashion on show by the BCFC'fans that day in may 72.

These people you refer to are not football fans whether it be Southport or Everton; this has nothing to do with football and everything to do with cowardly criminal activity. People who feel brave in a crowd after too much alcohol and would run at the first sign that they might get hurt. Pathetic...these are the scummers.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:
I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician.

This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician. This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

Exactly...The lads I knew have gone on to be businessmen, Doctors and even one is now running a solar energy firm in the Maldives. Yes they liked a fight but in general they kept the fighting between other firms and if no members of the public are involved who cares if they beat the cr4p out of each other

any how pay day this friday gunna buy the book and read on the way down to burton cant wait

Andy2010 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician. This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

Exactly...The lads I knew have gone on to be businessmen, Doctors and even one is now running a solar energy firm in the Maldives. Yes they liked a fight but in general they kept the fighting between other firms and if no members of the public are involved who cares if they beat the cr4p out of each other

You seem to think that anyone who goes into business has done good!

Once a mindless thug, always a mindless thug. Football hooligans are utter arrseholes.

Andy2010 wrote:
I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

They were scum.

ctid1980 wrote:
any how pay day this friday gunna buy the book and read on the way down to burton cant wait

Read? You mean look at the pictures, surely.

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:
I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

They were scum.

salty bantam ......obviously you have a lot to say about the lads involved over the years as stated above.......from arse holes to scum.
Hope to see you down at the book launch then you can tell a few of them to their faces.......as very many of these still follow city home and away each week and will be present.If you dont like the book then dont buy it, its not the first football firm book and it certainly wont be the last, and it is how it was back in the days firm against firm ....not beating up old women or attacking innocent people. glad the burns unit is getting something from it too.

irish bantam wrote:

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

They were scum.

salty bantam ......obviously you have a lot to say about the lads involved over the years as stated above.......from arse holes to scum. Hope to see you down at the book launch then you can tell a few of them to their faces.......as very many of these still follow city home and away each week and will be present.If you dont like the book then dont buy it, its not the first football firm book and it certainly wont be the last, and it is how it was back in the days firm against firm ....not beating up old women or attacking innocent people. glad the burns unit is getting something from it too.

Alas Salty Bantam will just come back with some rubbish they have read on the internet and resort back to it

Nice post BTW

Andy2010 wrote:

irish bantam wrote:

Salty Bantam wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

They were scum.

salty bantam ......obviously you have a lot to say about the lads involved over the years as stated above.......from arse holes to scum. Hope to see you down at the book launch then you can tell a few of them to their faces.......as very many of these still follow city home and away each week and will be present.If you dont like the book then dont buy it, its not the first football firm book and it certainly wont be the last, and it is how it was back in the days firm against firm ....not beating up old women or attacking innocent people. glad the burns unit is getting something from it too.

Alas Salty Bantam will just come back with some rubbish they have read on the internet and resort back to it

Nice post BTW

Yeah, good post fella.

I would like to thank the lads from the Ointment for turning me off from football and allowing me to follow more fulfilling activities. I too knew a number of members. There was something deficient in their psychological makeup. I also find it deeply disturbing that certain people jump to the defence of these criminals. The fact that these kind of thugs are now parading around with the pretense of protecting the country from extreamism is laughable. The tying of this book to charity to give it an air of respectability is cynical and can been seen through by anyone with a brain.

Andy2010 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician. This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

Exactly...The lads I knew have gone on to be businessmen, Doctors and even one is now running a solar energy firm in the Maldives. Yes they liked a fight but in general they kept the fighting between other firms and if no members of the public are involved who cares if they beat the cr4p out of each other

Whilst i understand that you may suggest that fighting amongst themselves is not as bad as attacking "innocents"; it's a sad state of affairs to suggest that violence has any justification; it doesn't. Not only is it pretty sad that people had to fight in a ganglike way; it's the fact that they somehow claimed to be attached to my football club....so actually, I care. It's not a poor analogy either; it's hyperbole designed to make a point.

As for what they went on to do later; Lance Armstrong has made millions for charity...he is however a fraud and a cheat. Would you suggest that some good deeds mean that the bad deeds can be forgotten. That's also a sad state of affairs. Jimmy Saville did plenty of good deeds too; I bet you don't think that his crimes should be disregarded as a result do you?

These people were criminals and should be treated as such.

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician. This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

Exactly...The lads I knew have gone on to be businessmen, Doctors and even one is now running a solar energy firm in the Maldives. Yes they liked a fight but in general they kept the fighting between other firms and if no members of the public are involved who cares if they beat the cr4p out of each other

Whilst i understand that you may suggest that fighting amongst themselves is not as bad as attacking "innocents"; it's a sad state of affairs to suggest that violence has any justification; it doesn't. Not only is it pretty sad that people had to fight in a ganglike way; it's the fact that they somehow claimed to be attached to my football club....so actually, I care. It's not a poor analogy either; it's hyperbole designed to make a point.

As for what they went on to do later; Lance Armstrong has made millions for charity...he is however a fraud and a cheat. Would you suggest that some good deeds mean that the bad deeds can be forgotten. That's also a sad state of affairs. Jimmy Saville did plenty of good deeds too; I bet you don't think that his crimes should be disregarded as a result do you?

These people were criminals and should be treated as such.

It's a poor analogy, how is it hype, that makes even less sense than your poor analogy tripe. I certainly never justified my actions, and quite honestly would find doing that totally futile. Hopefully you never go faster than 30 mph in a 30 mph zone lol. People in glass houses and all that. I'll be buying the book.

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician. This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

Exactly...The lads I knew have gone on to be businessmen, Doctors and even one is now running a solar energy firm in the Maldives. Yes they liked a fight but in general they kept the fighting between other firms and if no members of the public are involved who cares if they beat the cr4p out of each other

Whilst i understand that you may suggest that fighting amongst themselves is not as bad as attacking "innocents"; it's a sad state of affairs to suggest that violence has any justification; it doesn't. Not only is it pretty sad that people had to fight in a ganglike way; it's the fact that they somehow claimed to be attached to my football club....so actually, I care. It's not a poor analogy either; it's hyperbole designed to make a point.

As for what they went on to do later; Lance Armstrong has made millions for charity...he is however a fraud and a cheat. Would you suggest that some good deeds mean that the bad deeds can be forgotten. That's also a sad state of affairs. Jimmy Saville did plenty of good deeds too; I bet you don't think that his crimes should be disregarded as a result do you?

These people were criminals and should be treated as such.

It's a poor analogy, how is it hype, that makes even less sense than your poor analogy tripe. I certainly never justified my actions, and quite honestly would find doing that totally futile. Hopefully you never go faster than 30 mph in a 30 mph zone lol. People in glass houses and all that. I'll be buying the book.

Hyperbole you muppet...not hype. look it up as you might learn something. And dont compare a minor traffic offence with thuggish violence.

KnightMcCall wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

bcfc1903 wrote:

KnightMcCall wrote:

Andy2010 wrote: I shall be buying. Grew up knowing quite a few of these lads and football aside they were sound lads. Nice to see who's in the book

Are you for real. "aside from the football they were sound lads". That's a bit like saying that aside from the murdering; Shipman was a good doctor or aside from the Genocide, Hitler was a good politician. This is a book about pathetic, mindless thugs and cretins. Animals who think that violence makes a man of you...neanderthals who belong to a distant and best-forgotten past.

I think that is a poor analogy, you can't of course condone what went on. To make sweeping statements about football violence and the thought process behind every individuel involved in it is not correct either. Of course it's an opinion but it doesn't correlate with my thinking.

Exactly...The lads I knew have gone on to be businessmen, Doctors and even one is now running a solar energy firm in the Maldives. Yes they liked a fight but in general they kept the fighting between other firms and if no members of the public are involved who cares if they beat the cr4p out of each other

Whilst i understand that you may suggest that fighting amongst themselves is not as bad as attacking "innocents"; it's a sad state of affairs to suggest that violence has any justification; it doesn't. Not only is it pretty sad that people had to fight in a ganglike way; it's the fact that they somehow claimed to be attached to my football club....so actually, I care. It's not a poor analogy either; it's hyperbole designed to make a point.

As for what they went on to do later; Lance Armstrong has made millions for charity...he is however a fraud and a cheat. Would you suggest that some good deeds mean that the bad deeds can be forgotten. That's also a sad state of affairs. Jimmy Saville did plenty of good deeds too; I bet you don't think that his crimes should be disregarded as a result do you?

These people were criminals and should be treated as such.

It's a poor analogy, how is it hype, that makes even less sense than your poor analogy tripe. I certainly never justified my actions, and quite honestly would find doing that totally futile. Hopefully you never go faster than 30 mph in a 30 mph zone lol. People in glass houses and all that. I'll be buying the book.

Hyperbole you muppet...not hype. look it up as you might learn something. And dont compare a minor traffic offence with thuggish violence.

Hey clown, doing over 30mph in a 30mph zone can kill children, adults or even pensioners...it not a minor offence it's irresponsible driving muppet, driving over 30mph in a 30mph zone has killed far more people in this country than football violence. I guess you think your above the law.... prat. Sorry about that.. i forgot, it's a high horse you ride....my mistake. Hype is short for hyperbole you crettin lol. And it's still a poor analogy.

Do the crayons come with it?

Salty Bantam wrote:

ctid1980 wrote: any how pay day this friday gunna buy the book and read on the way down to burton cant wait

Read? You mean look at the pictures, surely.

but pics can tell a thousand words cant they?