Traders delighted at Idle store's refusal

Bradford Telegraph and Argus: Coun Alun Griffiths at the site Coun Alun Griffiths at the site

A supermarket has been refused permission to build a convenience store after fierce opposition.

A proposal to build a Tesco Express in Leeds Road, Idle, has been refused by Bradford Council planning officers for a number of reasons including its appearance, an increase in pedestrians expected to cross busy roads, and inadequate car parking provision.

Councillor Alun Griffiths (Lib Dem, Idle and Thackley) delivered a 360-name petition against the development to City Hall last month. Ward councillors for the area had sent letters to 600 houses about the plans and received more than 100 replies, a response Coun Griffiths described as “astonishing”.

The petition had been set up by Thakor and Manjula Patel, who run T&V Off Licence and News in Fourlands Road.

Their shop is opposite the site on which Tesco wanted to build, which is the car park of The George pub.

The couple were not available for comment yesterday, but Mina Patel, who works at the shop, said: “I’m pleased about it. It would have affected the business.

“A lot of customers said there shouldn’t be a Tesco there. Everybody’s really pleased.

“People are grateful to Mr and Mrs Patel for organising the petition. They don’t need another Tesco just there, they are happy with the corner shop.”

Coun Griffiths said: “We are pleased that the Council has listened to the views of local people, who were overwhelmingly opposed to the proposals.

“It is tribute to the hundreds of local residents in Idle and Thackley who responded to our letters and petition, particularly Mr and Mrs Patel.”

A Tesco spokesman said: “We appreciate there were a number of concerns with our proposal for a convenience store on Leeds Road.

“We do believe a Tesco would be popular here so we’ll need to review whether we can address the concerns adequately.”

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11:06am Fri 6 Jan 12

Storck says...

The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys.

Or am I just getting cynical ?
The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys. Or am I just getting cynical ? Storck
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11:22am Fri 6 Jan 12

MontyLeMar says...

Storck wrote:
The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys.

Or am I just getting cynical ?
Bitter experience says you are probably correct. Soon we will all have at least one Tesco within one mile of us. They breed like rats!
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys. Or am I just getting cynical ?[/p][/quote]Bitter experience says you are probably correct. Soon we will all have at least one Tesco within one mile of us. They breed like rats! MontyLeMar
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11:26am Fri 6 Jan 12

mad matt says...

Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm
Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm mad matt
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11:31am Fri 6 Jan 12

Albion. says...

mad matt wrote:
Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm
Well they haven't worked here or in Bingley if they are.
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm[/p][/quote]Well they haven't worked here or in Bingley if they are. Albion.
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11:43am Fri 6 Jan 12

Storck says...

MontyLeMar wrote:
Storck wrote:
The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys.

Or am I just getting cynical ?
Bitter experience says you are probably correct. Soon we will all have at least one Tesco within one mile of us. They breed like rats!
If you search your postcode on the Tesco app for local stores I would put money on you having almost 20 within a 10 mile radius.
[quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys. Or am I just getting cynical ?[/p][/quote]Bitter experience says you are probably correct. Soon we will all have at least one Tesco within one mile of us. They breed like rats![/p][/quote]If you search your postcode on the Tesco app for local stores I would put money on you having almost 20 within a 10 mile radius. Storck
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11:56am Fri 6 Jan 12

Prisoner Cell Block A says...

Closest supermarket or decent sized store to proposed location? Sainsburys at Greengates or Morrisions at 5 lane ends, plus a couple of knocked through convenience stores within a two mile radius.
Guess what folks, you will soon be the proud users of a new Tesco store. They won't be beaten by our noddy council.
Closest supermarket or decent sized store to proposed location? Sainsburys at Greengates or Morrisions at 5 lane ends, plus a couple of knocked through convenience stores within a two mile radius. Guess what folks, you will soon be the proud users of a new Tesco store. They won't be beaten by our noddy council. Prisoner Cell Block A
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12:06pm Fri 6 Jan 12

yorkshiredude says...

mad matt wrote:
Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm
Does it? How exactly?
[quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm[/p][/quote]Does it? How exactly? yorkshiredude
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1:08pm Fri 6 Jan 12

Bantam_eccy says...

Don't see the problem really? the car park has never more than 2 car's in it, infact the pub has been due for closing for years,The TeEx at Baildon only has 8 parking spaces?, i cant see an increase in traffic - its only going to be passing trade that stops.
Don't see the problem really? the car park has never more than 2 car's in it, infact the pub has been due for closing for years,The TeEx at Baildon only has 8 parking spaces?, i cant see an increase in traffic - its only going to be passing trade that stops. Bantam_eccy
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2:22pm Fri 6 Jan 12

BabyDave says...

It's Ok they'll get it in the end - Tesco ALWAYS do.
It's Ok they'll get it in the end - Tesco ALWAYS do. BabyDave
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2:59pm Fri 6 Jan 12

webshow says...

I am glad the council has seen sense
however they should have addressed
impact on local businesses.
Just a matter of time before T & V are forced to close. Tesco will win &
they will shutdown local businesses.
I am glad the council has seen sense however they should have addressed impact on local businesses. Just a matter of time before T & V are forced to close. Tesco will win & they will shutdown local businesses. webshow
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3:26pm Fri 6 Jan 12

webess says...

Storck wrote:
MontyLeMar wrote:
Storck wrote:
The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys.

Or am I just getting cynical ?
Bitter experience says you are probably correct. Soon we will all have at least one Tesco within one mile of us. They breed like rats!
If you search your postcode on the Tesco app for local stores I would put money on you having almost 20 within a 10 mile radius.
I'm based on a submarine..
[quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MontyLeMar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Storck[/bold] wrote: The appeal will go in with a few changes and then it will be passed. The council will then say it was out of their hands and they did every thing they could to block it. Tesco get what they want and the council do not look like the bad boys. Or am I just getting cynical ?[/p][/quote]Bitter experience says you are probably correct. Soon we will all have at least one Tesco within one mile of us. They breed like rats![/p][/quote]If you search your postcode on the Tesco app for local stores I would put money on you having almost 20 within a 10 mile radius.[/p][/quote]I'm based on a submarine.. webess
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3:30pm Fri 6 Jan 12

Colin White says...

BabyDave wrote:
It's Ok they'll get it in the end - Tesco ALWAYS do.
The sickening power of Zionism :(
[quote][p][bold]BabyDave[/bold] wrote: It's Ok they'll get it in the end - Tesco ALWAYS do.[/p][/quote]The sickening power of Zionism :( Colin White
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4:15pm Fri 6 Jan 12

P.I.M.P.S. says...

600 letters sent out, 100 replies, so that equals 500 people who don't care if it opens and least 51 people who don't want it to open, maybe more...

Even a very small Tesco Express would recruit around 25/30 staff and as per Supermarket form, they will all be from the local community.

Now I'm not sure how many of the local community would take up the offer of a job since that would more than likely mean no more benefits and free stuff, but 25/30 jobs created in this climate is good news. Ofcourse at the cost of possibly killing of a family business, which is a shame, but thats life.
600 letters sent out, 100 replies, so that equals 500 people who don't care if it opens and least 51 people who don't want it to open, maybe more... Even a very small Tesco Express would recruit around 25/30 staff and as per Supermarket form, they will all be from the local community. Now I'm not sure how many of the local community would take up the offer of a job since that would more than likely mean no more benefits and free stuff, but 25/30 jobs created in this climate is good news. Ofcourse at the cost of possibly killing of a family business, which is a shame, but thats life. P.I.M.P.S.
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4:16pm Fri 6 Jan 12

aje2010 says...

The Tesco's extra on Great Horton Road has extended already and one in Queensbury is already wanted to expand. So no doubt they'll reapply for planning for a smaller store and then expand....
The Tesco's extra on Great Horton Road has extended already and one in Queensbury is already wanted to expand. So no doubt they'll reapply for planning for a smaller store and then expand.... aje2010
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4:22pm Fri 6 Jan 12

shawzie says...

I wonder how many jobs it would create
I wonder how many jobs it would create shawzie
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4:39pm Fri 6 Jan 12

pbrown says...

I shop at Tescos they are clean, cheap and have everything I need under one roof, so like millions of other British people, I fully support them.

I see that out of a population of thousands locally, only a few hundred middle class nimbys, signed a petition against Tescos.

Thankfully we live in a democracy so common sense will prevail and Tesco will get planning in the near future.

People fail to understand that the retail world is based upon survival of the fittest, just like any other industry.
I shop at Tescos they are clean, cheap and have everything I need under one roof, so like millions of other British people, I fully support them. I see that out of a population of thousands locally, only a few hundred middle class nimbys, signed a petition against Tescos. Thankfully we live in a democracy so common sense will prevail and Tesco will get planning in the near future. People fail to understand that the retail world is based upon survival of the fittest, just like any other industry. pbrown
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4:52pm Fri 6 Jan 12

P.I.M.P.S. says...

pbrown wrote:
I shop at Tescos they are clean, cheap and have everything I need under one roof, so like millions of other British people, I fully support them. I see that out of a population of thousands locally, only a few hundred middle class nimbys, signed a petition against Tescos. Thankfully we live in a democracy so common sense will prevail and Tesco will get planning in the near future. People fail to understand that the retail world is based upon survival of the fittest, just like any other industry.
Well put!
[quote][p][bold]pbrown[/bold] wrote: I shop at Tescos they are clean, cheap and have everything I need under one roof, so like millions of other British people, I fully support them. I see that out of a population of thousands locally, only a few hundred middle class nimbys, signed a petition against Tescos. Thankfully we live in a democracy so common sense will prevail and Tesco will get planning in the near future. People fail to understand that the retail world is based upon survival of the fittest, just like any other industry.[/p][/quote]Well put! P.I.M.P.S.
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4:53pm Fri 6 Jan 12

P.I.M.P.S. says...

shawzie wrote:
I wonder how many jobs it would create
From experience even a small Tesco Express opening from 7am to 8pm will create around 25-30 jobs, if hours are increased from 6am to midnight expect a few extra jobs.
[quote][p][bold]shawzie[/bold] wrote: I wonder how many jobs it would create[/p][/quote]From experience even a small Tesco Express opening from 7am to 8pm will create around 25-30 jobs, if hours are increased from 6am to midnight expect a few extra jobs. P.I.M.P.S.
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5:12pm Fri 6 Jan 12

ExcellenceChallenge says...

Perhaps the 600 made redundant from the Council can take these 30 jobs? That only leaves 570 to sort.
Perhaps the 600 made redundant from the Council can take these 30 jobs? That only leaves 570 to sort. ExcellenceChallenge
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5:53pm Fri 6 Jan 12

Joedavid says...

Councillor Alun Griffiths no votes from us next time for you.
Every where I have seen these Tesco stores they have been busy and as others have said they get planning rejected at first. But when they open the locals use them, how strange.
Councillor Alun Griffiths no votes from us next time for you. Every where I have seen these Tesco stores they have been busy and as others have said they get planning rejected at first. But when they open the locals use them, how strange. Joedavid
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8:00pm Fri 6 Jan 12

mad matt says...

Albion. wrote:
mad matt wrote:
Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm
Well they haven't worked here or in Bingley if they are.
I didn't mean in this instance, I meant generally with the way these stores are popping up all over the place, mostly in spite of local objections.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mad matt[/bold] wrote: Makes you wonder if bribes are involved - Hmmmmm[/p][/quote]Well they haven't worked here or in Bingley if they are.[/p][/quote]I didn't mean in this instance, I meant generally with the way these stores are popping up all over the place, mostly in spite of local objections. mad matt
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8:22pm Fri 6 Jan 12

Storck says...

Mad Matt - you say they open despite local objections but they are always busy. I presume it is local people using them as you woul not travel a long distance to go to a Tesco Express. If people do not use them they would close and stop opening new ones. As long as people are using them they will keep opening them.
Mad Matt - you say they open despite local objections but they are always busy. I presume it is local people using them as you woul not travel a long distance to go to a Tesco Express. If people do not use them they would close and stop opening new ones. As long as people are using them they will keep opening them. Storck
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9:34pm Fri 6 Jan 12

Mike Strutter says...

Queensbury at a Tesco knocked back too at one point !
Queensbury at a Tesco knocked back too at one point ! Mike Strutter
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10:45pm Sat 7 Jan 12

Ian H 1971 says...

pbrown wrote:
I shop at Tescos they are clean, cheap and have everything I need under one roof, so like millions of other British people, I fully support them.

I see that out of a population of thousands locally, only a few hundred middle class nimbys, signed a petition against Tescos.

Thankfully we live in a democracy so common sense will prevail and Tesco will get planning in the near future.

People fail to understand that the retail world is based upon survival of the fittest, just like any other industry.
You have hit upon something there and it is the reason many people like myself, cannot find the products I need and of the required quality. Only Waitrose and Booths are of the right standard, but sadly I have to travel to Otley and Ilkley for those. They also carry certain products that the likes of Tesco, Sainsbury's and Morrisons do not. The supermarkets are not stupid and do extensive research for each locality, to match the customer profile for the area. So........junk food and cheap alcohol for Bradford it is then! I do not match this profile and find I have to wade across huge supermarkets, to use a handful of aisles for a small number of products. :-\
[quote][p][bold]pbrown[/bold] wrote: I shop at Tescos they are clean, cheap and have everything I need under one roof, so like millions of other British people, I fully support them. I see that out of a population of thousands locally, only a few hundred middle class nimbys, signed a petition against Tescos. Thankfully we live in a democracy so common sense will prevail and Tesco will get planning in the near future. People fail to understand that the retail world is based upon survival of the fittest, just like any other industry.[/p][/quote]You have hit upon something there and it is the reason many people like myself, cannot find the products I need and of the required quality. Only Waitrose and Booths are of the right standard, but sadly I have to travel to Otley and Ilkley for those. They also carry certain products that the likes of Tesco, Sainsbury's and Morrisons do not. The supermarkets are not stupid and do extensive research for each locality, to match the customer profile for the area. So........junk food and cheap alcohol for Bradford it is then! I do not match this profile and find I have to wade across huge supermarkets, to use a handful of aisles for a small number of products. :-\ Ian H 1971
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10:19am Sun 8 Jan 12

MikeBD says...

FUNNY! how much time councillors have to block such things that are good for public. On the second hand they never help people get rid of Television license which is an idiotic tax on UK population. If BBC is so desparate they should put all their programs on Cable and charge for it.
FUNNY! how much time councillors have to block such things that are good for public. On the second hand they never help people get rid of Television license which is an idiotic tax on UK population. If BBC is so desparate they should put all their programs on Cable and charge for it. MikeBD
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1:03pm Sun 8 Jan 12

Albion. says...

MikeBD wrote:
FUNNY! how much time councillors have to block such things that are good for public. On the second hand they never help people get rid of Television license which is an idiotic tax on UK population. If BBC is so desparate they should put all their programs on Cable and charge for it.
TV licence is nothing to do with the council.
[quote][p][bold]MikeBD[/bold] wrote: FUNNY! how much time councillors have to block such things that are good for public. On the second hand they never help people get rid of Television license which is an idiotic tax on UK population. If BBC is so desparate they should put all their programs on Cable and charge for it.[/p][/quote]TV licence is nothing to do with the council. Albion.
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7:31pm Sun 8 Jan 12

BabyDave says...

Albion. wrote:
MikeBD wrote:
FUNNY! how much time councillors have to block such things that are good for public. On the second hand they never help people get rid of Television license which is an idiotic tax on UK population. If BBC is so desparate they should put all their programs on Cable and charge for it.
TV licence is nothing to do with the council.
Shhhh, don't tell him . . . just let him live in his own little bubble.
[quote][p][bold]Albion.[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeBD[/bold] wrote: FUNNY! how much time councillors have to block such things that are good for public. On the second hand they never help people get rid of Television license which is an idiotic tax on UK population. If BBC is so desparate they should put all their programs on Cable and charge for it.[/p][/quote]TV licence is nothing to do with the council.[/p][/quote]Shhhh, don't tell him . . . just let him live in his own little bubble. BabyDave
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5:59pm Mon 9 Jan 12

eccythump says...

Why would they want to build a supermarket on the car park of 'The George'? How could they even apply to do so ? We do not want to lose another public house in Bradford. They are already an endangered species here, without Tesco getting in on the act. A bit further up Leeds rd there is a similarly sized bit of land, upon which some guy has a grotty old caravan , he has dubbed it 'The Alamo' I believe, the council are trying to evict him. But then it's a while since I passed, perhaps he is gone already ? Maybe Tesco could use this area.
Why would they want to build a supermarket on the car park of 'The George'? How could they even apply to do so ? We do not want to lose another public house in Bradford. They are already an endangered species here, without Tesco getting in on the act. A bit further up Leeds rd there is a similarly sized bit of land, upon which some guy has a grotty old caravan , he has dubbed it 'The Alamo' I believe, the council are trying to evict him. But then it's a while since I passed, perhaps he is gone already ? Maybe Tesco could use this area. eccythump
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6:28pm Mon 9 Jan 12

Storck says...

They are not on about closing the pub only sharing the car park. It is a huge car park for the size of the pub, may as well use it rather than have it empty. Plus the pub is constantly up for lease so can not be doing that well. It would also offer choice to people that live locally and do not or can not travel to ASDA/Sainsbury or the bigger Tesco.
They are not on about closing the pub only sharing the car park. It is a huge car park for the size of the pub, may as well use it rather than have it empty. Plus the pub is constantly up for lease so can not be doing that well. It would also offer choice to people that live locally and do not or can not travel to ASDA/Sainsbury or the bigger Tesco. Storck
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11:58pm Mon 9 Jan 12

Shauny-Boy says...

I'd rather shop at Tesco and pay 70p for a loaf of bread, than pay £1.45 for the same loaf in a corner shop!
We want Tesco! We want Tesco! We want Tesco!
I'd rather shop at Tesco and pay 70p for a loaf of bread, than pay £1.45 for the same loaf in a corner shop! We want Tesco! We want Tesco! We want Tesco! Shauny-Boy
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3:42pm Tue 10 Jan 12

eccythump says...

Well then, if they only wish to share the car park, and there would be no threat to the pub. I don't see why not. But then I am not the proprietor of the shop across the rd. I could see why they wouldn't like it. I personally wouldn't buy a loaf of bread from there though. I have called in there in the passing, on my way to the George, to put lottery numbers on. The shop smelled really strongly of curry. From past experience of this kind of establishment. it does permeate the bread, biscuits etc. No I'm not being racist, just stating a fact as I know it.
Well then, if they only wish to share the car park, and there would be no threat to the pub. I don't see why not. But then I am not the proprietor of the shop across the rd. I could see why they wouldn't like it. I personally wouldn't buy a loaf of bread from there though. I have called in there in the passing, on my way to the George, to put lottery numbers on. The shop smelled really strongly of curry. From past experience of this kind of establishment. it does permeate the bread, biscuits etc. No I'm not being racist, just stating a fact as I know it. eccythump
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10:03am Wed 11 Jan 12

H8E US says...

id rather they have a morrisons local open there than a tesco express as morrisons is a local supermarket and we should be supporting them not a tesco the robbing so and so's
id rather they have a morrisons local open there than a tesco express as morrisons is a local supermarket and we should be supporting them not a tesco the robbing so and so's H8E US
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3:21pm Wed 11 Jan 12

Storck says...

Morrisons have a large supermarket just up the road in case you haven't noticed.

Tesco do not have any shops in the locality, the closest been the Undercliffe Express. The closest superstore is on Canal Road, not convenient for those walking or just wanting a few bits.
Morrisons have a large supermarket just up the road in case you haven't noticed. Tesco do not have any shops in the locality, the closest been the Undercliffe Express. The closest superstore is on Canal Road, not convenient for those walking or just wanting a few bits. Storck
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