VIDEO: Hague praises 'impressive' mosque site (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Photo call for a tory government who use Baroness Sayeeda Warsi as there token asian candidate,all very patronising really.
Why wander around a mosque when bradfords biggest issue is crime and a decaying city centre environment.
Bet santa claus is disapointed he didnt go down the £870,000 chimney stack on christmas eve.

guggsy wrote:
Photo call for a tory government who use Baroness Sayeeda Warsi as there token asian candidate,all very patronising really. Why wander around a mosque when bradfords biggest issue is crime and a decaying city centre environment. Bet santa claus is disapointed he didnt go down the £870,000 chimney stack on christmas eve.

You've got it spot on. Prior to the election they sent Pickles along to Bradford for a photo call too, again he only visited an Asian area for a photo then went home.
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Crime and business closures and apathy to those problems is the issue that needs highlighting and tackling as you've pointed out.

Moon on a stick wrote:

guggsy wrote: Photo call for a tory government who use Baroness Sayeeda Warsi as there token asian candidate,all very patronising really. Why wander around a mosque when bradfords biggest issue is crime and a decaying city centre environment. Bet santa claus is disapointed he didnt go down the £870,000 chimney stack on christmas eve.

You've got it spot on. Prior to the election they sent Pickles along to Bradford for a photo call too, again he only visited an Asian area for a photo then went home. . Crime and business closures and apathy to those problems is the issue that needs highlighting and tackling as you've pointed out.

Visited an asian area??

Not all of Bradford has Mosque's and is Muslim you know. Why for example wasn't the very large Christian Abundant Life Church visited especially given it provides the volunteer street angels that assist the police on a weekend in the city centre. Surely that's a worthy community centric cause that should be recognised?
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It wouldn't do any harm to see a Conservative Minister in the City Centre or in Baildon, Bingley or Ilkey for example, I suspect some of the latter areas probably vote Conservative anyway?

guggsy wrote:
Photo call for a tory government who use Baroness Sayeeda Warsi as there token asian candidate,all very patronising really.
Why wander around a mosque when bradfords biggest issue is crime and a decaying city centre environment.
Bet santa claus is disapointed he didnt go down the £870,000 chimney stack on christmas eve.

Lol !

Moon on a stick wrote:
Not all of Bradford has Mosque's and is Muslim you know. Why for example wasn't the very large Christian Abundant Life Church visited especially given it provides the volunteer street angels that assist the police on a weekend in the city centre. Surely that's a worthy community centric cause that should be recognised?
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It wouldn't do any harm to see a Conservative Minister in the City Centre or in Baildon, Bingley or Ilkey for example, I suspect some of the latter areas probably vote Conservative anyway?

The thing is, we've got to get the Asians/Muslims on our side (for the supposed 'war on terror').
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Most likely Iran will be attacked soon, and we need as many people from the Muslim community on board as possible.

This is indeed a beautiful structure and sympathetically built. I first saw it when I went by to visit the gym opposite recently. I'm pleased to see that it has also been built as the result of a strong community spirit. Slightly worried that the stone was imported when there is still a lot of local stone quarried (Yorkshire Stone) and which would have served this local community rather well and could (not sure) have been as affordable and certainly better environmentally from a distribution point of view. I do think though that the ministers could have had a slightly more balanced visit to more than one 'faith' building and also to speak with people about crime and other issues in the area - like the state of the city centre? This is not to put down the article on the mosque visit - nor am I in any way being anti any faith (I celebrate that we're moving towards a truly multicultural society) - just about balance and about focusing on true priorities rather than on 'politically better point scorer' topics for the government which come across as divisive and a little patronising

Yes asian areas like Manningham, Bradford Moor, Girlington, Leeds Road/Barkerend Road and many more too if you want me to list them ill be happy to

wja1966 wrote:
Yes asian areas like Manningham, Bradford Moor, Girlington, Leeds Road/Barkerend Road and many more too if you want me to list them ill be happy to

Eh?

I wasn't aware that areas had been designated - sorry my mistake. Is this anything like Chinatown in London - lol!

Typical of Politicians to pick a Mosque
thats why we love them so?

How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high?
Will they let women into the mosque?

The last time I looked Baroness Warsi was a woman - and there is video evidence on this site illustrating that she was indeed present in the mosque!

Its certainly impressive, but its not a public building, at least not for me, so why the interest?
Its a vote getter.
A walk around the Odeon would have served better as a reflection of Bradfords needs, and forced some slightly more challengeing questions..
I know thats an obvious thing to say, but I just get the feeling "what is the point..."

Moon on a stick wrote:

guggsy wrote: Photo call for a tory government who use Baroness Sayeeda Warsi as there token asian candidate,all very patronising really. Why wander around a mosque when bradfords biggest issue is crime and a decaying city centre environment. Bet santa claus is disapointed he didnt go down the £870,000 chimney stack on christmas eve.

You've got it spot on. Prior to the election they sent Pickles along to Bradford for a photo call too, again he only visited an Asian area for a photo then went home. . Crime and business closures and apathy to those problems is the issue that needs highlighting and tackling as you've pointed out.

Can we take it then that following William Haigh's grandiose comments from on high, that we will see a similar construction going up in Richmond, his constituency?

mrshower wrote:
How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high?
Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford.
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Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

Andraste wrote:

mrshower wrote: How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high? Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford. . Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

agree with your post,
which explains why some areas of Bradford are now utter slums,as the residents of those areas choose to live in filth.
The multiplying no one would ever doubt that,after all this country has a generous benefits system that many of these people choose to abuse at the drop of a hat.
If bradford had a large indian population bradford would not be the place it is,there would be heaps less pressure on the benefits system and without a shadow of doubt the streets in those areas mentioned would be cleaner,not to mention drivers being responsable and even insuring thier cars!!

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

mrshower wrote: How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high? Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford. . Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

agree with your post,
which explains why some areas of Bradford are now utter slums,as the residents of those areas choose to live in filth.
The multiplying no one would ever doubt that,after all this country has a generous benefits system that many of these people choose to abuse at the drop of a hat.
If bradford had a large indian population bradford would not be the place it is,there would be heaps less pressure on the benefits system and without a shadow of doubt the streets in those areas mentioned would be cleaner,not to mention drivers being responsable and even insuring thier cars!!

Are you saying certain White residents of Bradford don't abuse the benefits system ? - you know, the ones on your typical estates, where teenage pregnancies (and STDs) are rife ?
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Where they get pregnant for a free council house and all sorts of luxuries ?.
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Looks like *they're* the experts at scamming the system, richmondbull. Best not to be a hypocrite, mate.
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See the full picture before commenting :)

Andraste wrote:

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

mrshower wrote: How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high? Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford. . Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

agree with your post, which explains why some areas of Bradford are now utter slums,as the residents of those areas choose to live in filth. The multiplying no one would ever doubt that,after all this country has a generous benefits system that many of these people choose to abuse at the drop of a hat. If bradford had a large indian population bradford would not be the place it is,there would be heaps less pressure on the benefits system and without a shadow of doubt the streets in those areas mentioned would be cleaner,not to mention drivers being responsable and even insuring thier cars!!

Are you saying certain White residents of Bradford don't abuse the benefits system ? - you know, the ones on your typical estates, where teenage pregnancies (and STDs) are rife ? . Where they get pregnant for a free council house and all sorts of luxuries ?. . Looks like *they're* the experts at scamming the system, richmondbull. Best not to be a hypocrite, mate. . See the full picture before commenting :)

im saying and in general one of the reasons i think and a major reason at that,that bradford is in the state it is in is due to having a large musbum population,i cannot help but think that things in general would have worked out much better for the city,if that large chunk of population was made up of indian sikh,hindu,etc,i think this is widely acceptted by many people as the differance between the two cultures appears to massive.

Wonderful that this city can attract such a large amount of foreign direct investment. Shame it should be wasted on such an eye sore and for the purpose of indoctrinating kids to learn the koran by rote instead of educating them with the sort of technical skills that could build a skilled workforce for the twenty-first century. What a fantastic venue for a pyjama party! No doubt the benefactors will be forthcoming with further monies but will it have any benefit on the broader 'community'. I really hope that Bradford Council has the balls to slap a large rates bill on that monstrosity.

i think the mosque looks very impressive but where is the car park for the 8000 congregation.

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

mrshower wrote: How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high? Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford. . Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

agree with your post, which explains why some areas of Bradford are now utter slums,as the residents of those areas choose to live in filth. The multiplying no one would ever doubt that,after all this country has a generous benefits system that many of these people choose to abuse at the drop of a hat. If bradford had a large indian population bradford would not be the place it is,there would be heaps less pressure on the benefits system and without a shadow of doubt the streets in those areas mentioned would be cleaner,not to mention drivers being responsable and even insuring thier cars!!

Are you saying certain White residents of Bradford don't abuse the benefits system ? - you know, the ones on your typical estates, where teenage pregnancies (and STDs) are rife ? . Where they get pregnant for a free council house and all sorts of luxuries ?. . Looks like *they're* the experts at scamming the system, richmondbull. Best not to be a hypocrite, mate. . See the full picture before commenting :)

im saying and in general one of the reasons i think and a major reason at that,that bradford is in the state it is in is due to having a large musbum population,i cannot help but think that things in general would have worked out much better for the city,if that large chunk of population was made up of indian sikh,hindu,etc,i think this is widely acceptted by many people as the differance between the two cultures appears to massive.

With respect, Bradford (and especially Manningham), has always been down-trodden, even *before* the immigrants came in the 50's and 60's.
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Stop blaming Muslims all the time; it's getting boring. There are hundreds of Muslim businesses in Bradford; Muslims who have worked their @rses off to make a better life. It seems you're quite blind to certain obvious facts, RB.

Andraste wrote:

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

mrshower wrote: How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high? Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford. . Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

agree with your post, which explains why some areas of Bradford are now utter slums,as the residents of those areas choose to live in filth. The multiplying no one would ever doubt that,after all this country has a generous benefits system that many of these people choose to abuse at the drop of a hat. If bradford had a large indian population bradford would not be the place it is,there would be heaps less pressure on the benefits system and without a shadow of doubt the streets in those areas mentioned would be cleaner,not to mention drivers being responsable and even insuring thier cars!!

Are you saying certain White residents of Bradford don't abuse the benefits system ? - you know, the ones on your typical estates, where teenage pregnancies (and STDs) are rife ? . Where they get pregnant for a free council house and all sorts of luxuries ?. . Looks like *they're* the experts at scamming the system, richmondbull. Best not to be a hypocrite, mate. . See the full picture before commenting :)

im saying and in general one of the reasons i think and a major reason at that,that bradford is in the state it is in is due to having a large musbum population,i cannot help but think that things in general would have worked out much better for the city,if that large chunk of population was made up of indian sikh,hindu,etc,i think this is widely acceptted by many people as the differance between the two cultures appears to massive.

With respect, Bradford (and especially Manningham), has always been down-trodden, even *before* the immigrants came in the 50's and 60's. . Stop blaming Muslims all the time; it's getting boring. There are hundreds of Muslim businesses in Bradford; Muslims who have worked their @rses off to make a better life. It seems you're quite blind to certain obvious facts, RB.

Sorry but you are wrong there. Manningham used to be very up market. It used to have Rolls Royce showroom somewhere near the City football ground on Manningham Lane.

If you look at some of the properties that have been divided up into flats and business premises they were previously substantial residential properties.

Too be honest I suspect that both you and Richmondbull have an element of truth in your posts. Lets hope that the current government "think the unthinkable" and get the benefits system sorted so that people can only claim when they need assistance rather than it being the lifestyle choice it seems to be now.

For the record: I think the mosque in question is hideous. Not for any religious reasons, it's an eysore and does not blend in at all with the local surroundings. As an earlier poster said, where will they find parking space for an 8000 capacity building?

Andraste wrote:

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

richmondbull wrote:

Andraste wrote:

mrshower wrote: How did they get planning permission to build that monstrosity? Why did they allow it to be built so high? Will they let women into the mosque?

Jealousy, anger, and bitterness, won't get you anywhere :) - accept that there's a large Muslim population in Bradford. . Oh, and they're not going anywhere; in fact, they're probably multiplying as we speak :)

agree with your post, which explains why some areas of Bradford are now utter slums,as the residents of those areas choose to live in filth. The multiplying no one would ever doubt that,after all this country has a generous benefits system that many of these people choose to abuse at the drop of a hat. If bradford had a large indian population bradford would not be the place it is,there would be heaps less pressure on the benefits system and without a shadow of doubt the streets in those areas mentioned would be cleaner,not to mention drivers being responsable and even insuring thier cars!!

Are you saying certain White residents of Bradford don't abuse the benefits system ? - you know, the ones on your typical estates, where teenage pregnancies (and STDs) are rife ? . Where they get pregnant for a free council house and all sorts of luxuries ?. . Looks like *they're* the experts at scamming the system, richmondbull. Best not to be a hypocrite, mate. . See the full picture before commenting :)

im saying and in general one of the reasons i think and a major reason at that,that bradford is in the state it is in is due to having a large musbum population,i cannot help but think that things in general would have worked out much better for the city,if that large chunk of population was made up of indian sikh,hindu,etc,i think this is widely acceptted by many people as the differance between the two cultures appears to massive.

With respect, Bradford (and especially Manningham), has always been down-trodden, even *before* the immigrants came in the 50's and 60's. . Stop blaming Muslims all the time; it's getting boring. There are hundreds of Muslim businesses in Bradford; Muslims who have worked their @rses off to make a better life. It seems you're quite blind to certain obvious facts, RB.

Interesting to compare the experience of Leicester and Bradford, two cities with large Asian heritage populations. The former has flourished with its mainly Indian/Hindu and Sikh communities whilst Bradford flounders. The former imported skills and a can-do mentality with its immigrants whilst Bradford on the whole imported poverty. Bradford has been a city of immigration from the nineteenth century with cosmopolitan communities with a record for social assimilation and progression. Strangely the Pak/muslims have been the exception. A modern economy cannot be built around curry shops and taxis alone as well as low levels of economic participation that are endemic amongst the paks.