albion wrote:
Neens must.

albion wrote:
Neens must.

albion wrote:
Neens must.

albion wrote:
Neens must.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
Why not create something or somewhere for them to go, not all teens/youth are devilspawn, just bored and forgotten. I agree there are certain elements amongst the younger generation who are just so far out of line that it is disgusting, but there really is nothing for these young uns to do once the sun goes down, therefore they gather together, and their ideas of fun and social ettiquette difffer vastly from ours. Use some of the money put aside for 'hobby bobbies' to open up schools on an evening and use them as youth centres, turn the useless plastic police into youth club monitors, thereby bringing both sets of a failing equation into some sort of order and mutual respect.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
Why not create something or somewhere for them to go, not all teens/youth are devilspawn, just bored and forgotten. I agree there are certain elements amongst the younger generation who are just so far out of line that it is disgusting, but there really is nothing for these young uns to do once the sun goes down, therefore they gather together, and their ideas of fun and social ettiquette difffer vastly from ours. Use some of the money put aside for 'hobby bobbies' to open up schools on an evening and use them as youth centres, turn the useless plastic police into youth club monitors, thereby bringing both sets of a failing equation into some sort of order and mutual respect.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
Why not create something or somewhere for them to go, not all teens/youth are devilspawn, just bored and forgotten. I agree there are certain elements amongst the younger generation who are just so far out of line that it is disgusting, but there really is nothing for these young uns to do once the sun goes down, therefore they gather together, and their ideas of fun and social ettiquette difffer vastly from ours. Use some of the money put aside for 'hobby bobbies' to open up schools on an evening and use them as youth centres, turn the useless plastic police into youth club monitors, thereby bringing both sets of a failing equation into some sort of order and mutual respect.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
Why not create something or somewhere for them to go, not all teens/youth are devilspawn, just bored and forgotten. I agree there are certain elements amongst the younger generation who are just so far out of line that it is disgusting, but there really is nothing for these young uns to do once the sun goes down, therefore they gather together, and their ideas of fun and social ettiquette difffer vastly from ours. Use some of the money put aside for 'hobby bobbies' to open up schools on an evening and use them as youth centres, turn the useless plastic police into youth club monitors, thereby bringing both sets of a failing equation into some sort of order and mutual respect.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where?
The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where?
The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where?
The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Divers_uk wrote:
Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where?
The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Gentleman Jim wrote:

Divers_uk wrote: Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Went to the youth club Mon/Wed/Fri, played football Tue/Thur at Miry Shay floodlit league, played for school Sat a.m my own club Sat p.m, and then again Sunday afternoon. I also did a paper round every morning, the T&A every evening, Bradford Star on a Thursday tea-time and my Sunday morning round. As I got a little older I worked on Saturdays and had to alter my football life slightly. So I would suggest that the situation has got far worse, by the way I now live a mile and a half away from the area I grew up in, and none of those facilities now exist. To help make your point slightly I also used to play with lolly sticks when it belted it down and made little boaty type things with them, sticks, crisp packets and mud helped make the dam on Beech Grove and then once it burst its banks I would run alongside my boat until it reached the bottom. Then start all over again, I also nipped onto Bradford Moor golf course and nicked their balls periodically, so I did get into mischief too. The ability to create self entertainment is a dead art with todays youth, and it isn't all their own fault as they have never had to do it. They have never known a life without a mobile, pc, x-box,ps2/3 etc, so then when the time comes that those are unavailable or not accesible the boredom creeps in. This defence of these kids comes in the same week my youngest was mugged for his phone, so it isn't as though I am sat in some ivory tower without knowledge of the situation, rather the opposite, I am at ground zero and say there needs to be more input into occupying their time. The parents in the main are either not bothered or too lazy, but given the right encouragement these teens would jump at a chance to occupy their time constructively and we would save a lot of good kids turning bad. Or we could just employ more plastic police to round em up and move em on. Spend the money on youth development not funds for training jumped up traffic wardens. Or run that in conjunction, let the hobby bobbies be involved in the running of some form of youth organisation, like The Police Boys of old.

Gentleman Jim wrote:

Divers_uk wrote: Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Went to the youth club Mon/Wed/Fri, played football Tue/Thur at Miry Shay floodlit league, played for school Sat a.m my own club Sat p.m, and then again Sunday afternoon. I also did a paper round every morning, the T&A every evening, Bradford Star on a Thursday tea-time and my Sunday morning round. As I got a little older I worked on Saturdays and had to alter my football life slightly. So I would suggest that the situation has got far worse, by the way I now live a mile and a half away from the area I grew up in, and none of those facilities now exist. To help make your point slightly I also used to play with lolly sticks when it belted it down and made little boaty type things with them, sticks, crisp packets and mud helped make the dam on Beech Grove and then once it burst its banks I would run alongside my boat until it reached the bottom. Then start all over again, I also nipped onto Bradford Moor golf course and nicked their balls periodically, so I did get into mischief too. The ability to create self entertainment is a dead art with todays youth, and it isn't all their own fault as they have never had to do it. They have never known a life without a mobile, pc, x-box,ps2/3 etc, so then when the time comes that those are unavailable or not accesible the boredom creeps in. This defence of these kids comes in the same week my youngest was mugged for his phone, so it isn't as though I am sat in some ivory tower without knowledge of the situation, rather the opposite, I am at ground zero and say there needs to be more input into occupying their time. The parents in the main are either not bothered or too lazy, but given the right encouragement these teens would jump at a chance to occupy their time constructively and we would save a lot of good kids turning bad. Or we could just employ more plastic police to round em up and move em on. Spend the money on youth development not funds for training jumped up traffic wardens. Or run that in conjunction, let the hobby bobbies be involved in the running of some form of youth organisation, like The Police Boys of old.

Gentleman Jim wrote:

Divers_uk wrote: Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Went to the youth club Mon/Wed/Fri, played football Tue/Thur at Miry Shay floodlit league, played for school Sat a.m my own club Sat p.m, and then again Sunday afternoon. I also did a paper round every morning, the T&A every evening, Bradford Star on a Thursday tea-time and my Sunday morning round. As I got a little older I worked on Saturdays and had to alter my football life slightly. So I would suggest that the situation has got far worse, by the way I now live a mile and a half away from the area I grew up in, and none of those facilities now exist. To help make your point slightly I also used to play with lolly sticks when it belted it down and made little boaty type things with them, sticks, crisp packets and mud helped make the dam on Beech Grove and then once it burst its banks I would run alongside my boat until it reached the bottom. Then start all over again, I also nipped onto Bradford Moor golf course and nicked their balls periodically, so I did get into mischief too. The ability to create self entertainment is a dead art with todays youth, and it isn't all their own fault as they have never had to do it. They have never known a life without a mobile, pc, x-box,ps2/3 etc, so then when the time comes that those are unavailable or not accesible the boredom creeps in. This defence of these kids comes in the same week my youngest was mugged for his phone, so it isn't as though I am sat in some ivory tower without knowledge of the situation, rather the opposite, I am at ground zero and say there needs to be more input into occupying their time. The parents in the main are either not bothered or too lazy, but given the right encouragement these teens would jump at a chance to occupy their time constructively and we would save a lot of good kids turning bad. Or we could just employ more plastic police to round em up and move em on. Spend the money on youth development not funds for training jumped up traffic wardens. Or run that in conjunction, let the hobby bobbies be involved in the running of some form of youth organisation, like The Police Boys of old.

Gentleman Jim wrote:

Divers_uk wrote: Ask yourself - what did you do at that age and where? The situation is no different except for a lack of respect, greater bravado, no form of discipline nor ability to meter out punishment and the assumption that because entertainment does not hit them between the eyeballs they do not have to create it.

Went to the youth club Mon/Wed/Fri, played football Tue/Thur at Miry Shay floodlit league, played for school Sat a.m my own club Sat p.m, and then again Sunday afternoon. I also did a paper round every morning, the T&A every evening, Bradford Star on a Thursday tea-time and my Sunday morning round. As I got a little older I worked on Saturdays and had to alter my football life slightly. So I would suggest that the situation has got far worse, by the way I now live a mile and a half away from the area I grew up in, and none of those facilities now exist. To help make your point slightly I also used to play with lolly sticks when it belted it down and made little boaty type things with them, sticks, crisp packets and mud helped make the dam on Beech Grove and then once it burst its banks I would run alongside my boat until it reached the bottom. Then start all over again, I also nipped onto Bradford Moor golf course and nicked their balls periodically, so I did get into mischief too. The ability to create self entertainment is a dead art with todays youth, and it isn't all their own fault as they have never had to do it. They have never known a life without a mobile, pc, x-box,ps2/3 etc, so then when the time comes that those are unavailable or not accesible the boredom creeps in. This defence of these kids comes in the same week my youngest was mugged for his phone, so it isn't as though I am sat in some ivory tower without knowledge of the situation, rather the opposite, I am at ground zero and say there needs to be more input into occupying their time. The parents in the main are either not bothered or too lazy, but given the right encouragement these teens would jump at a chance to occupy their time constructively and we would save a lot of good kids turning bad. Or we could just employ more plastic police to round em up and move em on. Spend the money on youth development not funds for training jumped up traffic wardens. Or run that in conjunction, let the hobby bobbies be involved in the running of some form of youth organisation, like The Police Boys of old.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
All it needs is time and effort on the part of a few organised adults, and of course the willingness of a bunch of 'already written off no-hopers' . Which obviously is completely untrue as the potential in youth is unbounded, they could rule the earth as they have the energy, it just needs channelling. Nice one Albion. By the way I suppose not many know the origin of your name, very poetic Mr, very clever name. Wish I had thought of it, I could use my Irish roots and call myself Erin.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
All it needs is time and effort on the part of a few organised adults, and of course the willingness of a bunch of 'already written off no-hopers' . Which obviously is completely untrue as the potential in youth is unbounded, they could rule the earth as they have the energy, it just needs channelling. Nice one Albion. By the way I suppose not many know the origin of your name, very poetic Mr, very clever name. Wish I had thought of it, I could use my Irish roots and call myself Erin.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
All it needs is time and effort on the part of a few organised adults, and of course the willingness of a bunch of 'already written off no-hopers' . Which obviously is completely untrue as the potential in youth is unbounded, they could rule the earth as they have the energy, it just needs channelling. Nice one Albion. By the way I suppose not many know the origin of your name, very poetic Mr, very clever name. Wish I had thought of it, I could use my Irish roots and call myself Erin.

Gentleman Jim wrote:
All it needs is time and effort on the part of a few organised adults, and of course the willingness of a bunch of 'already written off no-hopers' . Which obviously is completely untrue as the potential in youth is unbounded, they could rule the earth as they have the energy, it just needs channelling. Nice one Albion. By the way I suppose not many know the origin of your name, very poetic Mr, very clever name. Wish I had thought of it, I could use my Irish roots and call myself Erin.