Traders angry over Bingley market proposals (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

Get ready the Stallholders of other Council hold markets, your turn is next.

Bradford Council - don't you think Bingley is poor enough for shopping without taking the market away? we have been waiting over 2 years for Sainsbury's to start building - what's happened to that, did they buy the land so nobody else could?
Why not let people doing community service serve the community or the unemployed of the area earn some of their benefits and put the stalls up or would that contravene the Health and Safety policy of the council!! - very disappointed of Bingley!!

The stall holders should tell the Council that it's not a market, it's a bazaar...... They will leave them alone then.

Local traders just struggle to compete against the likes of primark, Asda and Tesco. The retail impact damage has been done by the council granting planning to all these Supermarkets.

Sometimes you have to move with the times and if a market is not viable you need to make a business desicion.


These Bazaars are only successful because they cater for the Indian and Pakistani community. You will even see these begin to clothes soon. First because their is too many of them and second because the young generation like to wear western fashion.

sam-tyler wrote:
The stall holders should tell the Council that it's not a market, it's a bazaar...... They will leave them alone then.

Have the council not closed the Bazaars down?
Absolute dissgrace if they still open.

Sally Way wrote:
Local traders just struggle to compete against the likes of primark, Asda and Tesco. The retail impact damage has been done by the council granting planning to all these Supermarkets. Sometimes you have to move with the times and if a market is not viable you need to make a business desicion. These Bazaars are only successful because they cater for the Indian and Pakistani community. You will even see these begin to clothes soon. First because their is too many of them and second because the young generation like to wear western fashion.

Close soon*. Not clothes sorry :)

Just put the stalls up yourselves. Problem solved. They are simple structures that are easily assembled.
As a side note the products available on Bingley Market are generally over priced for what they are.

Joedavid wrote:

sam-tyler wrote: The stall holders should tell the Council that it's not a market, it's a bazaar...... They will leave them alone then.

Have the council not closed the Bazaars down? Absolute dissgrace if they still open.

You won't see any bazaar closed down by the council. They just don't have the will power to compete in court.

I know of another one building stalls on City Rd in side his building (palace wedding hall), the council have to wait for it to open and then send them a Stop notice which they will ignore.

I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Maybe the council should pay the people putting up the stalls a proper wage as opposed to over inflated wage that if I remember correctly was in the region of £26,000 a year.

This is probably one reason why the council hasn't employed a town manager for Bingley, as then it doesn't have any opposition and do whatever it likes.

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Sally Way wrote:
Local traders just struggle to compete against the likes of primark, Asda and Tesco. The retail impact damage has been done by the council granting planning to all these Supermarkets.

Sometimes you have to move with the times and if a market is not viable you need to make a business desicion.


These Bazaars are only successful because they cater for the Indian and Pakistani community. You will even see these begin to clothes soon. First because their is too many of them and second because the young generation like to wear western fashion.

I think the best idea is to put the temporary stalls into the hands of a private contractor. I have visited the market a few times but it doesn't seem to have much to offer.

"Local traders just struggle to compete against the likes of primark, Asda and Tesco. The retail impact damage has been done by the council granting planning to all these Supermarkets."

There are no supermarkets or large stores in Bingley.

not until sainsbury's is built, and by the looks of it they aren't rushing to do that, but they got 2yrs+ so start on it otherwise they'll have to re apply for planning permission, so a long wait to go i feel

Yet another kick in the Davina McCalls for Bingley.

When is someone going to breathe some life back into our wonderful town???

Sainsbury’s have tactically bought the old B&B building so that other retailers couldn't buy it, with no consideration for the people of Bingley and surrounding areas. Now the Council are doing their best to stick the boot in too.

Who'd have thought that when they built the Bingley Bypass, that Bingley would be bypassed?

I'm confused. The last paragraph of the article says closing Bingley market is not an option on the table. What's going on here? What exactly did Richard Ambler say to the stall holders? I bet it wasn't that the market will close, more like we need some ideas to reduce the cost of maintaining a market. Two entirely different things. I think it would be a shame to close it. Some people think the prices are high but if you compare most shop prices to the likes of Aldi then they are correct. If you compare Morrisons to Aldi they are 30% more expensive! But Aldi, as far as I know, doesn't sell local farm produce or specialist cheeses or preserves or fresh fish. And it's far more enjoyable walking round Bingley market than the factory environment of the modern supermarket. I do however prefer to watch the market from a cosy seat in The Ferrands! I like the idea of getting the criminals to do part of their community service by spending time setting up and dismantling the stalls. But there's probably a clause in the sentence which says they will not have to do any arduous or meaningful work!

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

For gods sake give it a rest....you are probably the only person on these boards that beleives the "state" owes you a living and doing nothign shoudl be rewarded. Lets hope Osborne pushes through these new welfare bills asap

Another reason why the Aire Valley needs split from Bradford Council control. Bingley Market has been a success & that is down to the traders who have had no support from day 1. If it is down to Bradford Council Sainsburys will become another Westfield saga, even though it was reported in the T&A that the Sainsburys also want to grab a site in Baildon.

Bingley & the outlining areas are only seen as a "Cash Cow" for the council for council tax & get very little in return.

Time for a change.

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

For gods sake give it a rest....you are probably the only person on these boards that beleives the "state" owes you a living and doing nothign shoudl be rewarded. Lets hope Osborne pushes through these new welfare bills asap

Let's hope Osborne is run over by a bus asap.

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

He said "leisure".

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

How exactly are people like myself who work, as does my wife and pay for our children ourselves together with mortgage, council tax etc etc etc benefit from the welfare state?

Please explain.

I agree with the welfare state dont get me wrong for people who are new to genuine hardship but not for people on benefits for years so simply like yourself cant be bothered.

Lets hope the welfare reforms cut deeper than ever before and actually make working for a living better than sat at home doing nothing and not contributing to society

George has done a great job, in getting the working class to beat up on the people who have been made redundant through no fault of there own.
When they said there going to make work pay, they didn't mean higher wages or less tax. They were only saying that there will be no benefits. Has for the market, put your own stalls up, you lazy bast****.

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

How exactly are people like myself who work, as does my wife and pay for our children ourselves together with mortgage, council tax etc etc etc benefit from the welfare state?

Please explain.

I agree with the welfare state dont get me wrong for people who are new to genuine hardship but not for people on benefits for years so simply like yourself cant be bothered.

Lets hope the welfare reforms cut deeper than ever before and actually make working for a living better than sat at home doing nothing and not contributing to society

If you don`t know how you receive help from the welfare state when you have children`who will go to school,or how you use the NH and many other services then you need a lesson in how the economics of this country work.

collos25 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

How exactly are people like myself who work, as does my wife and pay for our children ourselves together with mortgage, council tax etc etc etc benefit from the welfare state? Please explain. I agree with the welfare state dont get me wrong for people who are new to genuine hardship but not for people on benefits for years so simply like yourself cant be bothered. Lets hope the welfare reforms cut deeper than ever before and actually make working for a living better than sat at home doing nothing and not contributing to society

If you don`t know how you receive help from the welfare state when you have children`who will go to school,or how you use the NH and many other services then you need a lesson in how the economics of this country work.

eh?

Receive help from the "welfare state" for schooling. Silly me but I thought that some of the £200 a month council tax I paid goes towards that. Well thats what they tell me in a yearly booklet they send. Also the NHS...yeah Ive used it but paying nearly £1.5k a month in tax and NI I have paid for it.

So go on enlighten me as to how else I'am benefiting from the "welfare state"?

The fact is I'll support my family and myself on my own thank you. I dont want or need help from the government and would rather money went to people that actually needed help. Not the likes of yourself but people who genuinely want to better themselves with an aim of one day not being relying on the rest of us to pay for them.

Strange idea I know in this day and age

Andy2010 wrote:

collos25 wrote:

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

How exactly are people like myself who work, as does my wife and pay for our children ourselves together with mortgage, council tax etc etc etc benefit from the welfare state? Please explain. I agree with the welfare state dont get me wrong for people who are new to genuine hardship but not for people on benefits for years so simply like yourself cant be bothered. Lets hope the welfare reforms cut deeper than ever before and actually make working for a living better than sat at home doing nothing and not contributing to society

If you don`t know how you receive help from the welfare state when you have children`who will go to school,or how you use the NH and many other services then you need a lesson in how the economics of this country work.

eh?

Receive help from the "welfare state" for schooling. Silly me but I thought that some of the £200 a month council tax I paid goes towards that. Well thats what they tell me in a yearly booklet they send. Also the NHS...yeah Ive used it but paying nearly £1.5k a month in tax and NI I have paid for it.

So go on enlighten me as to how else I'am benefiting from the "welfare state"?

The fact is I'll support my family and myself on my own thank you. I dont want or need help from the government and would rather money went to people that actually needed help. Not the likes of yourself but people who genuinely want to better themselves with an aim of one day not being relying on the rest of us to pay for them.

Strange idea I know in this day and age

now now children aren't we getting off the subject.

I seem to remember that the same thing happened in Shipley. They erected permanent market stalls rather than erecting them on market days and then taking them down. Simples!!!!

ALTAYLOR wrote:
I seem to remember that the same thing happened in Shipley. They erected permanent market stalls rather than erecting them on market days and then taking them down. Simples!!!!

The square is used for other purposes.

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Your work coach on the work programme, should make you go on a work placement erecting the stalls. Putting something back into the community that you have sponged off for god knows how many years. LOSER !!

Albion. wrote:

ALTAYLOR wrote:
I seem to remember that the same thing happened in Shipley. They erected permanent market stalls rather than erecting them on market days and then taking them down. Simples!!!!

The square is used for other purposes.

It is very rarely used for other purposes.
However this point needs to be explored as to why not??.
Why not generate other income from this site to help subsidise the cost for the market days. Could this site be used for example carboot/table top sales on Sundays mornings

I can't believe so much money was spent on developing the market square but the costs of utilising it for the good of the community were not factored in to the proposal. Surely all the business rates and council tax people in Bingley should mean the 26k can be covered.

The market does indeed need to attract more stall holders but i fear this is never going to be achieved if we continue to talk negative about what Bingley has to offer or may not be able to offer in the future (big put off for any new start ups either wanting a stall or indeed contemplating opening a shop but there are lots out there so how do we get them on board) This ongoing discussion about the market needs to be addressed and quickly put to bed.

Business is tough for all at the moment but as a fairly new independant shop owner in Bingley centre i can say there are customers out there and they are buying. Obviously I would like more custom and loosing the market will no doubt have an effect on my trade on market days.
So Bradford Council if your listening the potential spiralling effect of less footfall in Bingley is much wider reaching , rather than saving your £26k a year(in the short term) may end up costing you much more than this. Look at the bigger picture, lost business rates from potentially newly emptied shop properties, then lost council tax payment for those no longer in employment and so on and on ......

Building Bingley up, promoting it and investing in it rather than knocking it down will generate you more income in the medium/long term. Stop been short sighted

Sorry but Bingley for shopping is now a no no for me, I have lived in Bingley for over 30 years. I walk down, go through the shops and get the bus to Shipley, Lovely market, lots of shops to chose from, in fact a lot more going on.
Bingley has charity shops, hairdressers but what else? and lets face it Bingley market is nothing but a *Craft Market* nothing like the Shipley or Skipton markets..
The stalls at Bingley will just end up at Shipley or Skipton!

Get back to work wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Your work coach on the work programme, should make you go on a work placement erecting the stalls. Putting something back into the community that you have sponged off for god knows how many years. LOSER !!

My Work Coach on the Work Programme cannot make me do anything if I don't want to do it. In fact, I haven't even seen him for quite a while as I refuse to any longer attend, and there's nothing he, you, or David Cameron can do about it.

Andy2010 wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

How exactly are people like myself who work, as does my wife and pay for our children ourselves together with mortgage, council tax etc etc etc benefit from the welfare state?

Please explain.

I agree with the welfare state dont get me wrong for people who are new to genuine hardship but not for people on benefits for years so simply like yourself cant be bothered.

Lets hope the welfare reforms cut deeper than ever before and actually make working for a living better than sat at home doing nothing and not contributing to society

"Lets hope the welfare reforms cut deeper than ever before and actually make working for a living better than sat at home doing nothing and not contributing to society"

You can hope all you want, but all the cuts will do is push already vulnerable people further into poverty and destitution, which will all cost more in the long-run, as well as severely affecting the economy even further - if you make people poorer they have less to spend, which will affect all retail. But none of it will increase people's chances of gaining employment, in fact quite the reverse.

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

He said "leisure".

I enjoy a leisurely stroll to the Jobcentre and back once per fortnight, but that's about all.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

markjoe wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Any if we all did that then who is going to pay for your life of leisure. Your view seems to be that your entitled to everything but don't have to pay for it. Your lucky that we have a welfare state.

Are you a simpleton? If you think that existing on a poxy £70 per week dole, or a lousy £40 per week Hardship Allowance, somehow equates to a life of "luxury" then you are quite welcome to give it a try. Of course we ALL benefit from having a Welfare State, that's why it is in ALL our best interests to prevent the evil ones from dismantling it.

He said "leisure".

I enjoy a leisurely stroll to the Jobcentre and back once per fortnight, but that's about all.

You dont want to be walking to the jobcentre its almost winter. Take a taxi , you get more than enough money to enable you a little luxury occasionally.

Z.Raja wrote:
Get ready the Stallholders of other Council hold markets, your turn is next.

No...its just Bingley that will be affected. The traders do not help themselves. Some traders make in excess of £60,000 turnover p.a yet moan on and refuse to pay more than £12 p/day to Bradford Markets for a stall! How can we expect tax payer money to keep subsiding these successful businesses?? It is not fair on the taxpayer or the Council. The traders should simply organise themselves and cough up or shut up! They are getting a very good deal from Bradford Council. At Skipton they have to erect their own stalls and can pay up to £50 a day for a pitch! Stop moaning and start paying your fair share Bingley Market Traders!

A Casual Observer wrote:
I would advise the Traders to quit their business and sign-on the dole, if that's what the Council seem to want. But then refuse to comply with any Work Programme directives such as being sent to work in a supermarket for no pay. We are all steadily becoming enslaved by Capitalism.

Eh????? Why would the traders quit their businesses when some of them are making over £60,000 per year!!! Don't be fooled - these traders are not making pennies at Bingley! They just do not want to pay more than £12 p/day for a pitch!

MontyLeMar wrote:
I'm confused. The last paragraph of the article says closing Bingley market is not an option on the table. What's going on here? What exactly did Richard Ambler say to the stall holders? I bet it wasn't that the market will close, more like we need some ideas to reduce the cost of maintaining a market. Two entirely different things. I think it would be a shame to close it. Some people think the prices are high but if you compare most shop prices to the likes of Aldi then they are correct. If you compare Morrisons to Aldi they are 30% more expensive! But Aldi, as far as I know, doesn't sell local farm produce or specialist cheeses or preserves or fresh fish. And it's far more enjoyable walking round Bingley market than the factory environment of the modern supermarket. I do however prefer to watch the market from a cosy seat in The Ferrands! I like the idea of getting the criminals to do part of their community service by spending time setting up and dismantling the stalls. But there's probably a clause in the sentence which says they will not have to do any arduous or meaningful work!

No, Aldi doesn't sell the things you mention, but Sainsbury's sure does and a far cheaper price than the market too! PS peeps, Sainsburys Bingley will be stocking the same specialist cheeses as the portly guy at the market when they open. So if you want the same product from the same producers at a smarter price...head for Sainsbury's.