Bradford MPs reject Northern ‘benefits cap’ idea (From Bradford Telegraph and Argus)

The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

Ofcourse different rates of benefit should be applied to different parts of the country, just as council tax rates, house prices and wages change accross the country. A nurse working in London earns more than a nurse working in Leeds for this very reason. The government recognises this so why does it not apply it to benefits?

Also £26k is still phenominally high for sitting on your ar$e.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

*Rolls eyes*

Listen up thicko, the bankrupt economy is the result of the financial sector and the American mortgage market.

Labour governments always spend, Tory governments always cut, both get caught out by unregulated greed of financiers. Comprende ?

Farsley Bantam wrote:
Ofcourse different rates of benefit should be applied to different parts of the country, just as council tax rates, house prices and wages change accross the country. A nurse working in London earns more than a nurse working in Leeds for this very reason. The government recognises this so why does it not apply it to benefits?

Also £26k is still phenominally high for sitting on your ar$e.

Then, of course, those in London ought to receive higher rate of Benefits than we in the North. It is not possible or practical to cut Benefits of people in the North, as those Benefits are already barely enough to keep body and soul together.

"....so that – no matter where you live – you are better off in work.”

Then give those in work a pay rise!

The National Minimum Wage is a joke.

Abolish the Min. Wage and replace it with a Living Wage, ie. at least £8.50 per hour in the North, and more in London.

Dole cannot be cut as it is already the very bare minimum that anyone can possibly survive on.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

*Rolls eyes*

Listen up thicko, the bankrupt economy is the result of the financial sector and the American mortgage market.

Labour governments always spend, Tory governments always cut, both get caught out by unregulated greed of financiers. Comprende ?

Aided and abetted by G. Brown esq. Whose answer to anything was to throw money at it.

A Casual Observer wrote:
"....so that – no matter where you live – you are better off in work.”

Then give those in work a pay rise!

The National Minimum Wage is a joke.

Abolish the Min. Wage and replace it with a Living Wage, ie. at least £8.50 per hour in the North, and more in London.

Dole cannot be cut as it is already the very bare minimum that anyone can possibly survive on.

A minimum wage is the reason why companies like Morrisons are using Indian call centers to get round that law and put more people on the dole.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: "....so that – no matter where you live – you are better off in work.” Then give those in work a pay rise! The National Minimum Wage is a joke. Abolish the Min. Wage and replace it with a Living Wage, ie. at least £8.50 per hour in the North, and more in London. Dole cannot be cut as it is already the very bare minimum that anyone can possibly survive on.

A minimum wage is the reason why companies like Morrisons are using Indian call centers to get round that law and put more people on the dole.

Eat the rich!!!

Tory Scum!!!

Capitalist parasites!!!

(just thought i'd preempt his response)

Why aren't the unions kicking up a fuss about this, like they were about regional pay?

Perhaps it's because they're on interested in playing party politics and not the interests of their members.

Perhaps benefits are too high - CO seems to believe that he is owed a living
and that he need make no effort to get a job. After a period of dole perhaps the rate should be reduced - as an incentive to really make an effort to get work - or suffer tha consequences.

Kill the poor,and give them to the old to burn. That's two problems sorted for christmas. Next year the middle class.

ANY WHERE BUT HERE wrote:
Kill the poor,and give them to the old to burn. That's two problems sorted for christmas. Next year the middle class.

Are they smokeless?

BertSanders wrote:
Perhaps benefits are too high - CO seems to believe that he is owed a living
and that he need make no effort to get a job. After a period of dole perhaps the rate should be reduced - as an incentive to really make an effort to get work - or suffer tha consequences.

I'll suffer the consequences, thanks.

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

*Rolls eyes*

Listen up thicko, the bankrupt economy is the result of the financial sector and the American mortgage market.

Labour governments always spend, Tory governments always cut, both get caught out by unregulated greed of financiers. Comprende ?

Aided and abetted by G. Brown esq. Whose answer to anything was to throw money at it.

Money is made to spend. It has no other use.

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
"....so that – no matter where you live – you are better off in work.”

Then give those in work a pay rise!

The National Minimum Wage is a joke.

Abolish the Min. Wage and replace it with a Living Wage, ie. at least £8.50 per hour in the North, and more in London.

Dole cannot be cut as it is already the very bare minimum that anyone can possibly survive on.

A minimum wage is the reason why companies like Morrisons are using Indian call centers to get round that law and put more people on the dole.

Pass a law to make that illegal then.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

*Rolls eyes*

Listen up thicko, the bankrupt economy is the result of the financial sector and the American mortgage market.

Labour governments always spend, Tory governments always cut, both get caught out by unregulated greed of financiers. Comprende ?

Aided and abetted by G. Brown esq. Whose answer to anything was to throw money at it.

Money is made to spend. It has no other use.

It is also meant to be used wisely..........A fool and his money etc.

BertSanders wrote:
Perhaps benefits are too high - CO seems to believe that he is owed a living
and that he need make no effort to get a job. After a period of dole perhaps the rate should be reduced - as an incentive to really make an effort to get work - or suffer tha consequences.

No effort? I fulfill my obligations to the DWP and their minions, applying for 5 jobs every week, regardless of the fact that decent jobs are hard to find, and in any case I am completely unemployable.

Yes I/we most certainly are owed a living, no matter how much the State attempts to negate its responsibilities.

Benefits are not too high, but the contrary, they are nowhere near enough to live on.

Perhaps we should take the wealth off the thieving rich parasitic scum who have stolen it all. Or is that a bit too radical for you? Perhaps you think it better for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society to be penalized instead? You must think it is right and proper, fair and just, that the ordinary folk of this country are made to suffer in order that the rich continue to cling to their wealth. Why do you think such a thing?

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

*Rolls eyes*

Listen up thicko, the bankrupt economy is the result of the financial sector and the American mortgage market.

Labour governments always spend, Tory governments always cut, both get caught out by unregulated greed of financiers. Comprende ?

Aided and abetted by G. Brown esq. Whose answer to anything was to throw money at it.

Money is made to spend. It has no other use.

It is also meant to be used wisely..........A fool and his money etc.

A wise man has no need for money.

Farsley Bantam wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote: "....so that – no matter where you live – you are better off in work.” Then give those in work a pay rise! The National Minimum Wage is a joke. Abolish the Min. Wage and replace it with a Living Wage, ie. at least £8.50 per hour in the North, and more in London. Dole cannot be cut as it is already the very bare minimum that anyone can possibly survive on.

A minimum wage is the reason why companies like Morrisons are using Indian call centers to get round that law and put more people on the dole.

Eat the rich!!!

Tory Scum!!!

Capitalist parasites!!!

(just thought i'd preempt his response)

Spot on!

The Capitalists certainly ARE parasites.

The Tories most definitely ARE scum.

Yes, when we run out of food we shall eat the rich.

And all class-traitors such as yourself will be lined up and shot.

"....At £26,000 it’s about the same as the average wage in this country. You can’t have a situation where someone on benefits is better off than their neighbour who goes out to work. "

Most jobs in this area pay only half that amount. Philip Davies MP is quite right to point out that wages need increasing.

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Albion. wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

Thee Voice of Reason wrote:
The dogs breakfast it would inherit.
Oh my the irony in that. Labour left the country on the verge of bankrupcy and they come out with a statement like that.

*Rolls eyes*

Listen up thicko, the bankrupt economy is the result of the financial sector and the American mortgage market.

Labour governments always spend, Tory governments always cut, both get caught out by unregulated greed of financiers. Comprende ?

Aided and abetted by G. Brown esq. Whose answer to anything was to throw money at it.

Money is made to spend. It has no other use.

It is also meant to be used wisely..........A fool and his money etc.

A wise man has no need for money.

Just a tarpaulin and two sticks to rub together.

I'd go along with this but only providing that the 'deductions' in the north reflect the cuts to the north. If we're not receiving the same as the south why should we pay as much into the pot?

As a working man for 30 continuous years I've paid enough in to merit some sort of rebate. If the govt want to do this by reducing my tax levels and NI contributions then great, especially if regional pay was introduced as the people providing the services would be on less thus needing less of my income.

It won't work anything like that will it? I'll still pay as much to support my unemployed neighbour and the family of 6 three doors down as the bloke doing the same in the south, even though the outlay for the two people mentioned above would be less in the north.

Basically this scum of a govt are looking at ways to to penny pinch but never look at their own.

Resurrect Guy Fawkes or at least let's raise a mob and finish what he started.

A Casual Observer wrote:
"....At £26,000 it’s about the same as the average wage in this country. You can’t have a situation where someone on benefits is better off than their neighbour who goes out to work. "

Most jobs in this area pay only half that amount. Philip Davies MP is quite right to point out that wages need increasing.

A 48 hour week on the minimum wage is nearly £15k per annum and nearly every job on the council's vacancy page pay between £20-27k. So we're not that far from the national average of £26,800.

I agree with Davies. It's extremely unfair that somebody in the north gets paid the same as somebody in the south.
Therefore the London benefits should be higher than a Bradfordian or a Glaswegian. The benefits should be paying for the same standard of living.

Period Drama wrote:
I'd go along with this but only providing that the 'deductions' in the north reflect the cuts to the north. If we're not receiving the same as the south why should we pay as much into the pot?

As a working man for 30 continuous years I've paid enough in to merit some sort of rebate. If the govt want to do this by reducing my tax levels and NI contributions then great, especially if regional pay was introduced as the people providing the services would be on less thus needing less of my income.

It won't work anything like that will it? I'll still pay as much to support my unemployed neighbour and the family of 6 three doors down as the bloke doing the same in the south, even though the outlay for the two people mentioned above would be less in the north.

Basically this scum of a govt are looking at ways to to penny pinch but never look at their own.

Resurrect Guy Fawkes or at least let's raise a mob and finish what he started.

Except the man in the south will probably have been paying more tax (due to higher average earnings) to pay for the benefits claimant next door to him.

My main problem with unemployment benefit is that is takes no account of how much has been paid in taxes. You don't get any more for 30 years of tax than the man next door who's never worked a day in his life. In fact you'll get even less if you've saved anything. How can that possibly be fair?

A Casual Observer wrote:

BertSanders wrote:
Perhaps benefits are too high - CO seems to believe that he is owed a living
and that he need make no effort to get a job. After a period of dole perhaps the rate should be reduced - as an incentive to really make an effort to get work - or suffer tha consequences.

No effort? I fulfill my obligations to the DWP and their minions, applying for 5 jobs every week, regardless of the fact that decent jobs are hard to find, and in any case I am completely unemployable.

Yes I/we most certainly are owed a living, no matter how much the State attempts to negate its responsibilities.

Benefits are not too high, but the contrary, they are nowhere near enough to live on.

Perhaps we should take the wealth off the thieving rich parasitic scum who have stolen it all. Or is that a bit too radical for you? Perhaps you think it better for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society to be penalized instead? You must think it is right and proper, fair and just, that the ordinary folk of this country are made to suffer in order that the rich continue to cling to their wealth. Why do you think such a thing?

Ihave no problem with paying a decent allowance to the sick & disabled who through no fault of their own cannot work, but to the dole scroungers who have no intention of working Iwould bring in a 6 month period of allowance then cut them loose.

scottie dog wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:

BertSanders wrote:
Perhaps benefits are too high - CO seems to believe that he is owed a living
and that he need make no effort to get a job. After a period of dole perhaps the rate should be reduced - as an incentive to really make an effort to get work - or suffer tha consequences.

No effort? I fulfill my obligations to the DWP and their minions, applying for 5 jobs every week, regardless of the fact that decent jobs are hard to find, and in any case I am completely unemployable.

Yes I/we most certainly are owed a living, no matter how much the State attempts to negate its responsibilities.

Benefits are not too high, but the contrary, they are nowhere near enough to live on.

Perhaps we should take the wealth off the thieving rich parasitic scum who have stolen it all. Or is that a bit too radical for you? Perhaps you think it better for the poorest and most vulnerable in our society to be penalized instead? You must think it is right and proper, fair and just, that the ordinary folk of this country are made to suffer in order that the rich continue to cling to their wealth. Why do you think such a thing?

Ihave no problem with paying a decent allowance to the sick & disabled who through no fault of their own cannot work, but to the dole scroungers who have no intention of working Iwould bring in a 6 month period of allowance then cut them loose.

That is exactly the point - a claimant
should be subjected to some discipline - the taxpayer should not be required to support mallingerers.
CO appears to have a determination to use the system and has said he would like tt reserve a bed in prison.
What can the authorities do with such a person - prison should be more challenging?
If we all had similar attitude no one would pay tax - council dues - and chaos would result.
Bert is old - far from the rich scum CO refers too - and he leaves me wondering where it will all end..
I would like to read a post - absent I've got a job.

angry bradfordian wrote:

A Casual Observer wrote:
"....At £26,000 it’s about the same as the average wage in this country. You can’t have a situation where someone on benefits is better off than their neighbour who goes out to work. "

Most jobs in this area pay only half that amount. Philip Davies MP is quite right to point out that wages need increasing.

A 48 hour week on the minimum wage is nearly £15k per annum and nearly every job on the council's vacancy page pay between £20-27k. So we're not that far from the national average of £26,800.

I agree with Davies. It's extremely unfair that somebody in the north gets paid the same as somebody in the south.
Therefore the London benefits should be higher than a Bradfordian or a Glaswegian. The benefits should be paying for the same standard of living.

Who the helll wants to work 48 hours a week? A 40 hour week on Min. Wage comes to less than £13000 p/a. Therefore wages need to be increased nationwide, and so do State Benefits, but people in London will need to get proportionately more as it costs more to live there.

STOP giving handouts of ANY kind to people who have paid nothing into the system